What makes you think we will ever get our freedom back?

Maybe we will, but what’s the evidence? I am amazed that such profound changes in our entire societies have occurred in just nothing flat. In an instant, we are no longer a market economy where anyone who wishes to try their hand operating some enterprise can just go ahead and do it. We are no longer allowed to wander down to the shops, or walk in the park, or lie on the beach. We can be harassed by the police unless we are undertaking some officially sanctioned purpose. Our incomes are being dispensed by the government and not via the businesses that employ us.

We are less free as citizens today than anyone was during Mussolini’s Fascist state. Bookshops are closed. Libraries are closed. Newspapers and media are in the hands of the far left. Is there any likelihood the ABC will ever say an unkind word about Daniel Andrews or complain about the complete cessation of our civil liberties? We are living in a modern totalitarian socialist’s dream state. And the Deep State is continuously menacing us with how our hospitals will be soon overrun, and if not yesterday, then maybe tomorrow. We are endlessly warned about dying from a plague that virtually no one under the age of 70 is dying from, and hardly any of these either.

Dwell on this. This is the extent of civil disobedience in our world today. This is right around the corner from where I live.

MAN FINED OVER SYNAGOGUE GATHERING

Police shut down a religious gathering after a prayer meeting failed to heed social distance warnings in Ripponlea today.

Officers slapped the male organiser with a $1652 fine after he was caught disobeying a warning given to him yesterday.

Sources said at least 10 people were found at the gathering and as many as thirty may have attended.

Photos taken by the Herald Sun show police officers in protective masks entering the property on Glen Eira Rd about 11am and speaking to men in ultra-Orthodox attire.

The crackdown comes as Melbourne’s Jewish community celebrated Passover this week.

Police indicated the gathering was not at a formal Synagogue but still flouted the COVID-19 rules which ban religious gatherings.

Police found several people gathered at a Jewish Synagogue despite strict stay at home rules. Picture: Tony Gough

I still assume that we are living in an opportunistic moment by the American left to undo Donald Trump. Whether they can bring it off remains to be seen but this must bring them very close. If you haven’t read Nineteen Eighty-Four and absorbed its message, then perhaps you should while you can. It’s about how a party leadership with virtually total control over the flow of information runs the whole of society from the centre. Major events have no evident or necessary reality, but exist as news reports alone. Winston Smith’s job is to revise news accounts of the past so that what it says in the historical archive conforms to the political lies of the moment. Oh so farfetched. Could not happen. Yet we have seen, just to take one example, the American “news” networks rewrite before our eyes the account of when Donald Trump did or did not block planes from arriving from China. The scare stories about how our hospitals would be overwhelmed by the Corona Virus are virtually no longer even discussed, but who cares anyway?

The Democrats have all but nominated a man deep in senility and will run him for president with full-on hopes of having him in the White House. The American left will vote for him in droves, not because they want his personal leadership, but because they don’t. They are voting for a socialist Deep State to run their affairs from the top with Joe Biden as their acting Big Brother.

The farms are producing food, we will have food to eat, places to live, a more or less stationary economy that never grows but with a political leadership that will remain in place for who knows how long, with virtually all of us peasants and technicians in the return of a mediaeval society based on status and not personal and individual rights.

The economy must be opened immediately. The Government should unpack as much of these present closures as possible. We should be told when we are going to go back to the previous normal. I don’t know why there is any delay in this. The only thing dying is our freedom and prosperity. Whatever risks there may be, and they seem slight, we need a timetable to open things up placed before us.

If you don’t think this can all happen even as you are experiencing it, what will it take to make you believe just how dangerous all this is?

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61 Responses to What makes you think we will ever get our freedom back?

  1. nb

    Now the graphs are showing considerable decline in infection rates why is there not talk of measures to return to normal? No-one ever said we had to have a zero infection rate. What was claimed was a need to reduce the height of the curve. Do we have hospitals operating at a desperate overflow? We have reduced the height of the curve to well within sustainable levels. Therefore we need to reopen to the degree that our medical resources can cope.
    This is a useful website to help assess the position we are in: https://www.covid19data.com.au/
    There is an interesting phenomenon occurring in the USA, recorded by a body temperature application. According to the application, the number of people with above average body temperature is way below average for this time of year, indicating not just success against Wuhan, but also success against other expected fever inducing diseases such as the flu.
    See graph at https://www.healthweather.us/?mode=Atypical (scroll down).

  2. win

    Any one got figures for the police who in pursuit of criminals breaking distancing laws who have contracted the Chinese Corvid Virus in the course of their duties?
    As for our media ,The Daily Mail becomes more repugnant with every issue. There is some troll working in the Australian edition pushing his agenda daily. Although the daily climate apocalypse has given over to screeching Headlines on Corona.

  3. win

    Have the Victorian African home invaders been brought under control by the police or the corona virus?

  4. struth

    Like climate change the right are still arguing about the technicalities of the problem as if it is relevant.
    As if debunking either will rid them of the totalitarian state imposed using these as excuses.

  5. Beachcomber

    Sadly, there is nothing that makes me think we will ever get our freedom back.

    The media and the governing establishment have done mortal damage to our society which cannot be undone. In a way these events are the inevitable outcome of the bloated, unaccountable governing apparatus in the West that has been expanding unrestrained for many decades. The descent into totalitarianism has been relentless and the year 2020 is like a final fall into an abyss.

    The way Australian citizens have willingly embraced the imposition of total control over their lives is profoundly depressing.

  6. JC

    Steve

    Not discounting obvious limitations to what I’m suggesting, but freedom to me is also a state of mind. You can become a partial prisoner in a physical and monetary sense, but they can’t your mind unless you choose to let them. They can of course compel you but they can never own you unless they have control of you mind. This is the big difference between us and the leftist zombies.

  7. JC

    Get a load of this exchange. The US is going trough an epidemic and people are dying. What’s a a member of the White House press ask about? They are fucking moronic and a travesty to real journalism.

    Go ahead.

    Q So one of the biggest rating hits of the coronavirus, aside from these briefings, has been a show on Netflix called “Tiger King.”

    THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.

    Q And the man who’s the star of this is a former zoo owner who’s serving a 22-year prison sentence. He’s asking you for a pardon, saying he was unfairly convicted. Your son yesterday jokingly said that, you know, he was going to advocate for it. And I was wondering if you’ve seen the show and if you have any thoughts on pardoning Joe Exotic.

    THE PRESIDENT: Which son? It must be Don.

    Q It was.

    THE PRESIDENT: I had a feeling it was Don. Is that what he said? I don’t know. I know nothing about it. He has 22 years for what? What did he do?

    Q He allegedly hired someone to murder an animal rights activist. But he said that he didn’t do that. And he was —

    THE PRESIDENT: You think he didn’t do it? Are you on his side?

    Q Well, I’m a reporter. I shouldn’t take sides. But —

    THE PRESIDENT: Are you recommending a pardon?

    Q No. I’m not advocating anything yet.

    THE PRESIDENT: As a reporter, you’re not allowed to do that. You’d be criticized by these — would you recommend a pardon?

    Q I’m not weighing in on “Tiger King,” Mr. President. (Laughter.)

    THE PRESIDENT: I don’t think you would. I don’t think you would.

    Go ahead. Do you have a question?

    Q I do like Joe Exotic, I will say.

    THE PRESIDENT: I’ll take a look. Is that Joe Exotic?

    Q Yeah.

    THE PRESIDENT: That’s Joe Exotic? (Laughs.)

    Q Let me get back to —

    THE PRESIDENT: Go ahead.

  8. Crossie

    Now the graphs are showing considerable decline in infection rates why is there not talk of measures to return to normal?

    All I keep hearing in zoom meetings is how this is the “new normal” but it’s usually from people with no kids. I give it another couple of weeks by which time parents cooped up with bored children will be screaming to be let out. This is not like school holidays where there are activities and outings that give parents a respite. These parents are now expected to do their own jobs in unfamiliar circumstances, educate their children and worry horribly about declining pay. Let’s see who cracks first, kids or parents.

  9. Bad Samaritan

    Always bear in mind that this inane jargon “Flattening the Curve”: never heard in polite society ever before, but now the fad of the month….does not reduce overall deaths. It merely spreads them out, on the basis that if they all come in a shorter period (spike) the 6,600 ICU beds available in OZ (that’s permanently dedicated+ready to be activated) will be overwhelmed by them and the ICU surviving patients..

    Now, to overwhelm 6400 (let’s leave 200 for road crash victims etc) the general maths says you need around 160,000 hospitalizations at the same time (about 1 in 25 or 26 that need a bed, then deteriorate enough to need the ICU). To get 160,000 we need about 3.2 million infected at the same time (about 5% of infected need hospital beds).

    And that’s where we are at. We have to slow infections to the point where <3.2 million are infected at the same time. How can we do such a difficult thing (current infections about 6000)? gonna be oh-so-hard, eh/

    Bearing in mind that in 2017 when 1255 people died of flu, only about 300,000 visits to GPs on flu-related matters (mostly to get sickie certificates?) were recorded, and that the US CDC claims that vaccines are about 60% successful….the max without a vaccine may have been around 700,000 in the whole 4-5 month flu season (not simultaneously) despite not a single public measure taken. not a sports event or business closed. i’m guesstimating that the max at any one time would have been no more than 100-150,000 infected with a totally open society…and if there was no vaccine like there’s currently none for CV. Thus….

    So I say there is absolutely no chance of oz having 3.2 million simultaneous CV cases at once with open slather. None at all in Oz. None.

    BTW: Oz has a widely dispersed population, in generally unpolluted, very low density’burbs and towns etc; is the warmest of any developed country (lung disorders prefer cold). There is not a f’ckin’ chance of Oz having ICU beds overwhelmed!

  10. Crossie

    The economy must be opened immediately. Scott Morrison should unpack as much of these present closures as possible. He should tell us when we are going to go back the previous normal. I don’t know why there is any delay in this. The only thing dying is our freedom and prosperity. Whatever risks there may be, and they seem slight, we need a timetable to open things up placed before us.

    It’s all academic at the moment it’s only when we leave our bunkers and start going back to our workplaces will we see the full devastation of this attack by the “experts”. Will we see half shuttered shopping centres where every second shop has gone out of business? What will happen to the property market when everyone will try to offload their investment properties, both residential and commercial?

    I think tar, feathers and pitchforks may be in order for our politicians, bureaucrats and “advisers”.

  11. Crossie

    The world is not in the grip of a disease but is suffering from total madness. We must destroy the world as we know it in order to save it.

  12. Fair Shake

    But we must crash the economy cos of the modeling… it’s so sound.

  13. jupes

    The Democrats have all but nominated a man deep in senility and will run him for president with full-on hopes of having him in the White House.

    We really do live in the weirdest of times. Biden is deteriorating before our eyes but the media completely ignores it.

  14. rickw

    Officers slapped the male organiser with a $1652 fine after he was caught disobeying a warning given to him yesterday.

    Don’t pay the fine, keep doing what you’re doing!

    Freedom isn’t given back, it’s taken back!

  15. Rockdoctor

    More inconsistency from Vic Pol, wedding in Broady allowed to go ahead with 30 drummers etc nothing said, protest at the seminary where Pell was no genuine reason as well nothing said. Meanwhile it gets no better interstate ATSI funeral in Qld allowed to go ahead, AFL player “just happened to be driving truck” but surfing as well but nothing to see here, flight crew from cargo plane from the virus epicentre released to their own devices to go to Hotel with no escorts or security on their doors at the hotel. These inconsistencies are the ones really starting to annoy me much more than some of the overzealous applications of the rules…

  16. Terry

    ‘Freedom isn’t given back, it’s taken back!’

    Damn right.

    The politicians and bureaucrats (including ABC media types) need reminding who is in charge here -not who is currently exercising power, but who actually calls the shots in this society – you work for us.

    Two things should be noted by these professional parasites:
    1. Don’t make us come down there; and
    2. We will be having trials at the end of this.

  17. Tel

    The Democrats have all but nominated a man deep in senility and will run him for president with full-on hopes of having him in the White House.

    Because the Dem Party are confident they can easily control Biden.

    The senility doesn’t matter, he will be told what to think.

  18. Sydney Boy

    6,600 ICU beds available in OZ

    Prior to the current crisis there were 2,229 ICU beds in Australia. Approximately 200 (around 10%) were vacant for mass casualty or seasonal events. The rest were used for a variety of reasons (severe pneumonia, heart/lung cancers, assaults – not just road crashes.

  19. Louis Hissink

    They are doing exactly what they announced they would – destroy capitalism.

    Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.
    At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

  20. What this needs is a court case to test the legality of all these decrees. They get away with the illegal because we let them.
    My take on the hibernation of the climate change luvvies is that their computer models, which are designed to show compounding cumulative totals, have all been redeployed to predict Coronavirus catastrophe with much bigger growth numbers input. These programs never have recoveries factored in so arrive at apocalyptic totals. The mantra of ‘saving lives’ sounds so worthy that no politician can resist being swept along by by this tsunami of bullshit.

  21. PeterW

    This sounds remarkably like the same kind of panic that we are seeing over the WuFlu.

    I agree that history offers no guarantee that Australia is immune from totalitarian government. We have arguably been heading in that direction with every increase in Federal powers and governmental interference in our lives since Federation……. or since the English Revolution of 1688, for those who actually read history.
    We have seen comparable assumptions of government power to deal with other threats – the World Wars come to mind – HOWEVER, those powers were (mostly) relaxed once the perceived threat was reduced and the majority of voters became convinced that the benefit of those controls (none of us are actually subject to Conscription or government mandated food rationing, let alone the 110% income tax that my Grandfather was forced to pay) is less than the cost.

    There will be elections.
    Those who have made these decisions will have to justify them to those who have been affected.
    It is relatively easy to keep a sense of panic going for a few weeks. How do you expect that panic to be kept up once the majority of voters become familiar with the threat, become comfortable with the level of protection offered by a vaccine and the remedies that we expect?

    It’s not merely that parents cannot cope with the problem of their own making – poorly disciplined children – but the various other pains involved in the current situation, will have to be justified to a population already highly sceptical of both government and mainstream media.

    UNLIKE 1984, Big Brother does not have control over information and communication. (If you wish to claim otherwise, explain why we are able to have this discussion.)

    I can’t discuss this at length, because I do have work to do.
    I’m not “lucky”, because I chose to be where I am, doing what I do, nearly forty years ago and have paid a fairly high price for it. Those who claim to be Libertarian should appreciate that.

  22. Iampeter

    What makes you think we will ever get our freedom back?

    Why do you ask?
    You support Trump, regulating trade, immigration, trillion dollar spending bills, etc…

    Why are you suddenly so concerned for our loss of freedom?

  23. yarpos

    I dont know what else has changed but my attitude towards the legislature, the judicary and the Police has certainly changed. Non thinking draconian legislation, a demonstrably failed State judicial system and a corrupt, jackbooted Police force relishing its extra powers have left me with zero respect for the authority of these groups.

  24. Bad Samaritan

    Sydney Boy (6.32am) it’s kinda disappointing to see you write like a leftist, and to doubt my honesty….

    You probably saw that “+ ready to be activated” so why not just ask for a link, or something, so that then I could point you to…..

    “Modelling on ICU capacity released this week in the Medical Journal of Australia found there were currently 2,378 beds in 191 ICUs across Australia, about 9.4 beds per 100,000 population.
    There was capacity to surge the number of ICU beds by an additional 4,261 (189%) if needed.

    You aren’t a troll…so why this combatative tone?

  25. bruce

    Our problem is that we have a virtual duopoly running the country. There is very little today separating the 2 major parties. How do we change that?
    Sadly our Westminster system wouldn’t allow a Trump like figure to bloom.

  26. Kneel

    Don’t pay the fine, keep doing what you’re doing!

    If they are so stupid as to issue me with a fine for going about my normal business while doing “social distancing” et al – IOW, taking reasonable care – I will fight it, appeal it and if required go to gaol, but I will not pay the fine.
    No reasonable person can be expected to know what the CMO defines as “vital”, “urgent” or whatever the language is, and even were it spelled out in exactitude, it’s dodgy on any number of other grounds, IMO – eg, we already have electronic “home prison” stuff, this is just the same without a bracelet, so punishment without being charged, without a trial and with no right of appeal.
    But even if it’s not any of those things, it’s still an intolerable restriction on my liberties and I will protest in any way I can – including being part of tying up the courts with hearings, appeals etc.

  27. yarpos

    “The world is not in the grip of a disease but is suffering from total madness. We must destroy the world as we know it in order to save it.”

    We have neatly segued through climate madness, PC/SJW madness to virus madness. Its wave after after wave of social media driven hysteria. Just the world descending into Idiocracy, as per that wonderful movie now documentary of the same name.

    The western world has suspended Darwinian evolution and this is the result.

  28. If Trump had a gay son, he’d look like Joe Exotic.

    We may never be free again and I hope society loses nearly all respect for all three branches of government, plus doctors, cops and “public health officials”.

  29. Kneel

    Because the Dem Party are confident they can easily control Biden.

    Just gotta get him in, then 25th amendment.

  30. Kneel

    …left me with zero respect for the authority of these groups.

    What do you call negative respect? Contempt? I’m there…

  31. ryki

    I said this in the other thread but I’ll repeat it.

    This isn’t like any other police state.

    Usually the state rises as the people falter. In this case, the people and the state are joined at the hip. We are both bringing each other down at the same time.

    If you think I’m wrong, how exactly do you think governments will pay their police forces in three months?

  32. thefrollickingmole

    JC
    #3403268, posted on April 10, 2020 at 3:52 am
    Get a load of this exchange. The US is going trough an epidemic and people are dying. What’s a a member of the White House press ask about? They are fucking moronic and a travesty to real journalism.

    He should have asked if it was on the gorilla channel.

    Louis Hissink
    #3403375, posted on April 10, 2020 at 6:39 am
    They are doing exactly what they announced they would – destroy capitalism.

    Perfect isnt it.
    Wreck normal capitalism by government fiat, then declare “capitalism doesnt work” while capitalist pharma companies make your vaccine.
    Im pretty much in the “let it all burn” camp, an age of extremes is coming and it will get pretty horrible.
    A self inflicted Weimar moment.

  33. Bad Samaritan

    Crossie
    #3403310, posted on April 10, 2020 at 5:04 am
    What will happen to the property market when everyone will try to offload their investment properties, both residential and commercial?

    Over the past year I’ve advised all Cats to get out of shares and into Gold. At least if you’d got out and not bought Gold you’d be in cash….which is now why we’ll be thinking about eventually buying cheap property. The Gold is in physical bars and smaller ingots; and safely stashed away….buried ten paces from that double-trunked ghost-gum etc. The few (very few) who followed my advice know who you are, and I much appreciate those few (very few) e-Mails over the past fortnight.

    I’ve already visited a couple of homes with For Sale signs and told the ones with owner/occupiers that I’m interested, and a couple have already been in contact. I have also put a few ads on-line requesting that interested-in-selling property owners contact me. This to get an idea of what the mood is, and to uncover investors.. There’s no panic yet, but it will come.

    I’ve pointed out a couple of times why i don’t reckon there’ll be inflation, but rather deflation…as during the US Great Depression (stimulus…with Keynes on hand in person even) and in US/Japan during QE. Not that much free money (less than the “not-free money” it’s replacing) chasing the same amount of production (exception being small, service retail). Less demand vs same supply =? Cheers.

  34. Tel

    IMO – eg, we already have electronic “home prison” stuff, this is just the same without a bracelet, so punishment without being charged, without a trial and with no right of appeal.

    That’s a good point, let’s get together a big class action for false imprisonment and insist the culprits get a taste of what they have inflicted on others.

  35. The scare stories about how our hospitals would be overwhelmed by the Corona Virus are virtually no longer even discussed, but who cares anyway?

    Oh really? Just watched an interview with a very senior critical care doctor from Kansas who had volunteered (along with many other doctors) to assist in the desperate ICU wards in a specialised critical care hospital in New York after their head of Dept & a number of other attending doctors had come down with COVID-19.

  36. Terry

    ‘how exactly do you think governments will pay their police forces in three months?’

    Well duh! Commissions on the fines handed out to innocent L-Platers of course. Don’t worry, plenty of innocents to rope in after the extorting of that group dries up. Random park-bench sitters have recently been included. Even solo-nap-takers in the park run the risk of being crushed under patrol cars, for their own safety of course.

    This all assumes they’ll need paying at all. Many it seems would enthusiastically volunteer simply for the thrill of the shiny new jackboots and the pretty new arm-band. But hey, they’re just following orders.

  37. John Bayley

    There is very little today separating the 2 major parties.

    This is pretty much the case everywhere though.
    Which is why I find it amusing that so many contributors here seem to think there is a meaningful difference between the Republicans and Democrats in the USA, or between Liberal and Labor here.

    I’ve pointed out a couple of times why i don’t reckon there’ll be inflation, but rather deflation…

    Definitely, because the accumulated asset price inflation of the recent past needs to be unwound – which is precisely what’s started to happen when the stock markets fell into the steepest bear decline ever.

    But then again, the central bankers everywhere are fighting it by printing an absolutely unprecedented amounts of money.

    The powers-that-be are well aware that the existing debt loads can never be repaid, so they are all for inflating them away.

    It is not beyond the scope of probability that this can flip into hyperinflation very fast. After all, hyperinflation is always the result of the public losing faith in the value of the currency, not just the number of currency units & credit in circulation.

    One thing is certain: We’re in for some interesting times.

  38. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I will not pay the fine.

    Kneel, if you refuse to pay they’ll eventually simply rip it out of your bank account.

    One of the most insidious aspects of fines (apart from their invariably arbitrary nature) is the humiliation involved in the act of paying the bloody things. Which is why I haven’t allowed myself to be fined since 1987.

    Do not give these tinpot tyrants the pleasure.

  39. Alex Davidson

    Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams.

    Most today dismiss this observation as anachronistic. But look at what is happening now and the likely consequences. Many in society have been living beyond their means for decades – voting for a living, rather than by creating wealth. Borrowing money printed out of thin air. Indulging in frivolous activism instead of creating wealth.

    Sanctioned by votes, politicians and governments have been complicit in this, largely unconstrained by any requirement for contract, consent or respect for property rights when they loot and regulate us for the ends demanded by the mob or their mates. Clearly this situation cannot be sustained forever. Sooner or later an unexpected event will trigger a collapse.

    That unexpected event is upon us. There is going to be no return to the prior status quo. Governments will shortly have to face a massive reduction in their ill-gotten gains, as the economy they have collapsed slashes their revenues. They will have no choice but to downsize, and once they are on the back foot, they will lose control as the general population senses blood. This time ramping up the printing presses won’t save them, because the wealth simply won’t be there for them to plunder.

    That means those of us who understand this need to start working out what comes next. It certainly can’t be unlimited democracy. For a start we need a new constitution, one based around defining the role of government as protecting freedom and (negative) individual rights, and leaving everything else up to free choice among citizens, i.e. the market, including education, health, charity and welfare. A free enterprise society populated by free citizens, bound only by rule of law based on consent, contract, and respect for property rights, and which applies equally to all, including the government.

  40. Tel

    Definitely, because the accumulated asset price inflation of the recent past needs to be unwound – which is precisely what’s started to happen when the stock markets fell into the steepest bear decline ever.

    Stock prices do not equate to supermarket prices … stocks are what most people buy as a long term investment, but they go to the supermarket so they have something for the next week.

    Check the price of hand sanitizer on eBay and expect many other products to have similar price tags before long.

  41. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Which is why I find it amusing that so many contributors here seem to think there is a meaningful difference between … Liberal and Labor here.

    There would be almost zero commenters here who think that. Don’t be like iamashiteater, thanks.

  42. Bruce

    @ryki

    “If you think I’m wrong, how exactly do you think governments will pay their police forces in three months?”

    It’s called the “spoils” system and it has been around forever. Hence the old saying: “To the victor, the spoils”.

    Of course, it will be dressed up as “confiscation of the proceeds of crime”, but it is still the “spoils system”.

    As Mark Twain put it to eloquently in 1866:

    “No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.”

  43. Robber Baron

    Well said/written Steve.

  44. Tel

    Sufficiently bad punishment of the NSW Liberals at the ballot box will send a message.

    The ALP will of course win, and can’t help themselves so I’m sure corruption will be endemic, but they will also stop to think a tiny bit before doing this again. Also, in the longer term, it would be very healthy to see large numbers of people with character walk away from the Liberal Party from this day forward.

  45. John Bayley

    Stock prices do not equate to supermarket prices … stocks are what most people buy as a long term investment, but they go to the supermarket so they have something for the next week.

    I never said they did [equate to each other].
    Too many people however have come to believe that ‘inflation’ is what’s expressed by CPI – which excludes the likes of stock/property prices and is basically utter, fairly meaningless BS statistic.
    While in fact most of the *real* inflation (i.e. the classical definition of more currency units in circulation) has since the GFC gone to asset prices.
    If you look at the performances of both stock and bond markets during 2019, for example, on the background of what was already not a particularly strong economic picture, you’ll see what I mean.

  46. Terry

    ‘large numbers of people with character walk away from the Liberal Party from this day forward.’

    I am always torn on this…

    Should people of character abandon the termite-infested, rotting house that is the Liberal Party as a matter of principle?

    Or should they all join up to conduct a knock-down re-build? Get in there and throw out the parasites that have wrecked the joint and our States/Nation in the process.

    If they do walk away, what do they walk away to? The Nationals? One-Nation? Lib-Dems? Some form of “Conservatives” (sadly, it didn’t go so well for Cory)?

    Whatever it is, it cannot be walk away to nothing. The vacuum left will be filled by bad actors that mean all of us great harm.

    A rational, centre-right party with solid principles and the courage to fight for them is needed now more than ever. We cannot leave this to the Left, Lefter and Far-Left factions of the Uniparty to continue pillaging our democracy and enslaving our citizens.

  47. ryki

    It’s called the “spoils” system and it has been around forever. Hence the old saying: “To the victor, the spoils”.

    Of course, it will be dressed up as “confiscation of the proceeds of crime”, but it is still the “spoils system”.

    Of course – police will allow black markets for baksheesh – but how would that help fund or protect politicians or the rest of the public service? Cops ignoring laws and taking bribes to allow markets to flourish reduces the power of the government.

    Whichever way you dress this up, no government will survive this – let alone with increased power.

    This is not to say everything is hunky dory. We are screwed (at least in the short term). But so is the government.

  48. Nighthawk the Elder

    When do we get our freedom back? I despair, perhaps not for a very long time, at least not without a fight. Just read the thousands of comments up and down the MSM and be horrified at how so many are willing to embrace their new found restrictions, without question, without challenge. Not for a couple more weeks, but for months and even years. Many still cry out for more. They delight at having reported the most minor transgressions to the authorities (shades of the Khmar Rouge, Brave New World or the Vichy collaborators). The turkeys are truly praying for perpetual Christmas.

    Their delusion comes from the notion that until the populace is vaccinated, unless the virus is eliminated, the risks are too great to lift any restrictions, lest grandma succumbs to the kung flu. ScoMo is getting slammed in the Murdoch papers by Penberthy and his reader’s comments for daring to even consider SA and WA could be the first to progressively ease restrictions in a controlled manner. They are demanding the choke hold be maintained. It’s for the greater good after all.

    It’s clear the great unwashed are risk averse. The precautionary principle in action. Which might also explain the years of irrational panic over the climate change bullshit. But the cold reality these people will need to learn is that we don’t live in a precautionary principled world. We live in a risk managed one and no government in the world is going to wait for the total eradication of the virus. Their economies and societies would never sustain it.

  49. Hodor

    I’m 66 yo and I wish we could all get this bloody flu, acquire immunity and get on with life “as before”.

    It’s not gonna kill all us oldies, not even many of us.
    FFS
    Am very concerned how a Labour Govt. is ever going to think about relinquishing it’s stolen power.
    Too many sheep among us to take it back.

  50. Chris M

    This is South Australia’s opportunity to shine! You can come and enjoy the freedoms to do (most) things still and enjoy reading the daily news articles about the Eastern states Stasi activities and the lamentations of their helpless victims.

    I’m going for a walk around the park whilst I decide were to go for a drive this afternoon.

  51. Chris M

    Should add a detail – you will find the SA economy in the best of times is going to a bit worse than the other states under lockdown conditions. Newcomers will do great, provided they don’t need a job.

  52. Old Lefty

    Fatty Ashton’s Keystone cops will be watching churches and synagogues like a hawk – they will be out to a avenge their (deserved) humiliation.

  53. Tel

    ScoMo is getting slammed in the Murdoch papers by Penberthy and his reader’s comments for daring to even consider SA and WA could be the first to progressively ease restrictions in a controlled manner. They are demanding the choke hold be maintained. It’s for the greater good after all.

    I’ve always hated Penberthy.

    Firstly, it’s not the business of the Prime Minister to manage the states, he already has a job guarding the borders and trying to stabilize our monetary system. His next budget is going to be a wall of debt so he better think about what to say for history to remember him by.

    Secondly, Penberthy is an ignorant twerp and should be roundly ridiculed. Sir Joh would have made a better PM in these troubled times, he knew how to feed the chooks.

  54. Dan

    Oh really? Just watched an interview with a very senior critical care doctor from Kansas who had volunteered (along with many other doctors) to assist in the desperate ICU wards in a specialised critical care hospital in New York after their head of Dept & a number of other attending doctors had come down with COVID-19.

    Yes we were pretty terrified a few weeks ago; I’m working in ICU and we expected that many of us would be infected and a few of us would die. And it is completely untrue that it is rare for young people to die; this idea is probably based on the figures from the communists which were completely made up.

    But at the moment we are basically looking at almost zero prevalence in Victoria, at some point we need to just move on and continue lower level surveillance and contact tracing indefinitely. I want to start operating again and have an income – and I’m sure I’m not the only person who wants a job back – and in my case people are suffering by not getting their elective surgery, and the damage will get worse. Why isn’t anyone discussing how to get back to normal once this disease is well and truly under control.

  55. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    I notice the limit on the number of people at a funeral doesn’t apply to Aboriginal communities. Also notice the limit on worshippers at a religious ceremony does not apply to the Muslim community! As these two groups tend to keep to their own it might not be a bad thing and in the long run may benefit Australian society both financially and culturally!

  56. Judge Dredd

    It does not surprise me that was an Orthodox church, they seem to have more balls. I would think the same of some mosques out there, Islamic people seem to be more about following the rule of God than the state. Most of our other religious institutions have bent the knee, when there is only One they should be doing that for.
    Have churches closed for any other event in history?

  57. Kneel

    Why isn’t anyone discussing how to get back to normal once this disease is well and truly under control.

    First, we need to know how to tell when we should do this.
    “As long as required” is no answer, it’s stating the bloody obvious.
    “When the medical experts tell us to” is also not an answer – the “experts” must have criteria for such a decision, yet no-one seems to know what they are.
    How is this in any way acceptable? If we “need to pay off some debt”, then we can easily look at how much we have left and at least when none is left, if not before, the job is done.
    In this case, it seems to be “brace yourself for massive economic pain until we say you’ve had enough”. They are bloody lucky it’s so hard to buy guns and ammo now…

  58. Bad Samaritan

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3403586, posted on April 10, 2020 at 8:40 am
    Why do you want gold during deflation?

    Because I’m buying in $A.

    I think there will be a rising $US, accompanied by a general fear of financial collapse. Both will push gold higher, especially in Oz dollars.

    Everybody I read reckons the Oz cash-splash is inflationary, so why shouldn’t I take advantage of this foolishness by buying what they all want?

  59. Rocket

    The zeal of following rules and officialdom defeating the objective of health and wellbeing.

    A man, alone in a large park, did some situps on a situp bench in a ‘closed’ outdoor gym (Closed under the new we-will-tell-you-what-to-do laws.) No other member of the public for at least 500 metres.
    On the other side of a small lake, through some trees, a Brisbane council worker stealthily yet zealously, zoomed his camera to record the offender.

  60. Iampeter

    Which is why I find it amusing that so many contributors here seem to think there is a meaningful difference between … Liberal and Labor here.
    There would be almost zero commenters here who think that. Don’t be like iamashiteater, thanks.

    Zero commentators think there’s a difference here, that’s true, but all of them still discuss politics as if there is.
    That’s because these commentators don’t really understand politics and aren’t interested.
    Which is why you’re so triggered by me.

    Why isn’t anyone discussing how to get back to normal once this disease is well and truly under control.

    What is normal? A government with no political theory behind any of it’s actions just arbitrarily violating peoples rights? This IS normal.

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