Daniel Andrews: I see you; I hear you; I fine you

Another 158 fines were dished out to Victorians disobeying stay at home orders on Easter Sunday.

Operational Sentinel reaped more than $261,000 in revenue from the latest batch of fines.

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Police cannot confirm if fines were issued to mourners paying respects at Victorian cemeteries over the Easter weekend.

In a statement issued to the Herald Sun, police said they sent “clear instructions” to its members last week.

“Discretion is to be used if people are attending the cemetery to pay their respects to loved ones,” a police spokeswoman said.

“At this stage we are unable to confirm whether any fines have been issued. However, as per our process, all fines in relation to the Chief Health Officer directions will be reviewed to determine whether they should be withdrawn or whether it was more appropriate to issue a warning.

“In the case of people visiting cemeteries, in the absence of any other factors which may have led to an infringement being issued, these fines will be withdrawn.”

It follows a report on 3AW’s Rumour File about Victorians allegedly copping on the spot fines for laying flowers at a northern suburbs cemetery on Easter Sunday.

When asked about the issue, Premier Daniel Andrews said it was necessary to verify with Victoria Police if people had been fined first before he weighed in.

CEO of the Greater Metropolitan Cemeteries Trust Deb Ganderton said while visitor access to cemeteries was “still possible” she urged visitors to “stay at home unless absolutely necessary” during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“During these difficult times, restrictions are in place at our cemeteries,” Ms Ganderton said.

“Unless attending a funeral, we urge visitors to stay at home unless absolutely necessary.”

Ms Ganderton said funerals were limited to no more than 10 mourners and their indoors mausoleums had been closed from April 8 until further notice.

“Visitor access to cemeteries is still possible,” she said.

“The limit on gatherings of two people applies strictly across all GMCT cemeteries and memorial parks, and visitors must observe appropriate social distancing.”

Source.

Update:  Remember we’re all in this together. John Black writing in The Australian:

Any government that thinks voters are going to put up with this sort of enforcement overreach in the longer term needs to get out more. Literally.

We know from our early profiling that our first wave of casualties and carriers was dominated by our inner-urban wealthy elites, regular visitors to western Europe and the ski fields of Japan and the US, along with highly mobile 20-something students living in higher-density urban areas, and backpackers.

Mainstream suburban families — the ones putting up with all the asinine interpretations of hastily cobbled together laws are clean as a whistle, as far as unknown positives are concerned. No wonder they’re getting cranky.

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54 Responses to Daniel Andrews: I see you; I hear you; I fine you

  1. Ellie

    Went for a walk at Queens Park in the naughty bad eastern suburbs of Sydney yesterday where we are rule breakers. It was like a scene out of the Truman Show.

  2. H B Bear

    Democracy. Good and hard.

    Don’t note for Marxists and complain about Marxism. The Hunchback of SpringSt will win the next election.

  3. Robber Baron

    Looks like the Chief Health Officer is running the state of Victoria, according to Premier Andrews.

    The thing about power, it’s like fire. If you don’t respect it, it will burn you. Andrews doesn’t respect Victorians; he is not wise, he is unfit for power.

    No doubt the torrent of email hitting his MPs inboxes will make them very nervous. I doubt Andrews will be Premier in 2021.

  4. Pyrmonter

    Subtle as a brick:

    ‘Mainstream suburban families’

    It’s those dirty migrants who visit the Mediterranean, the Continent, or are of ‘Middle Eastern Extraction’, visit family in Iran. Oh, and Poms. And those nobs who are well off enough to go cruising. Or go skiing in the US. Or who travel for business or education. They’re responsible. Bring back White Australia. Protect Our Industries. Foreign investors are just stealing our assets.

    This stuff should be confined to Independent Australia, and not allowed to fester.

  5. Infidel Tiger King

    WA seems like a different world to the fascist police states of NSW and Victoria.

    I rode through Karrakatta Cemetery yesterday and it was full of families visiting the dead, like any normal Easter.

    Went to the park with friends and drank beers while the kids played in the afternoon.

    Normal shit.

  6. Infidel Tiger King

    The virus vector in Australia is the idle rich.

    Punitive wealth taxes are more than necessary as is a complete and total ban on all travel to and from China.

  7. Some History

    Chief Health Officer is Brett Sutton. That’s him with the Hunchback. These guys are running the show.

    https://imgur.com/cY8u4xy

    A State of Emergency has been declared in Victoria from 16 March 2020 until midnight on 11 May 2020 to manage coronavirus (COVID-19). This provides the Chief Health Officer with additional powers to issue directions to help contain the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19) and keep Victorians safe.

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/state-emergency

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA seems like a different world to the fascist police states of NSW and Victoria.

    Tried driving up Great Eastern Highway, lately?

  9. Sinclair Davidson

    Subtle as a brick

    I was thinking Labor and Greens voters.

  10. Pyrmonter

    @ Sinc

    Now that Black’s mates are in charge in the Libs and it’s big government for all, I suppose the remaining liberals might end up voting Green or Labor. It’s not as when you vote (spend 30 years campaign for …) the Liberals you get small government, upholding the rule of law, lowering taxes and outlays, or a belief in the capacity of civil society and markets to bring about human flourishing. (IIRC, Charles Richardson has been arguing this for some time)

  11. Sinclair Davidson

    Well yes. When I pointed that out to a senior liberal politician I was told, “But Bill Shorten vill be vorse”.

  12. Spinner

    This crisis is now being used as a trial. They ( particularly State Labor leaders ) keep introducing small changes and adjustments to test the resistance level that they may face and what works. You see, when this health scare has subsided or even removed, they will have a master plan available to draw on knowing it can work to keep the voters in line. I would suggest they will have a perfect blue print of laws available, say, should they wish to enforce a quicker way to minimise Global Warming / Catastrophic Climate Change by 2025. Perhaps only red cars on a Tuesday etc, or carbon emitting businesses to close every second week as a starter or even carbon capture devices on dairy cattle. Just saying.

  13. Snoopy

    T𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘦 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘨𝘭𝘰𝘣𝘢𝘭 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘶𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦.

    Brett Sutton
    16 September 2019

    “𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘨 𝘶𝘱 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘳𝘰𝘥𝘴, 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘯𝘪𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘸𝘢𝘺, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘣𝘴 𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘰𝘮𝘦,” 𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘛𝘩𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘥𝘢𝘺.

    “𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘰𝘯. 𝘐𝘧 𝘸𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘥𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴, 𝘝𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘥𝘪𝘦.”

    Brett Sutton
    3 April 2020

  14. Charles

    Sutton is a catastrophist, putting him in charge of a pandemic is like putting petrol on a fire. It would be good though if some of these gormless journalists could ask what they are trying to achieve with the meaningless measures other than harassing the population unnecessarily.

  15. min

    Who would want to take over the mess he will leave ? How much did Chinese lend on port the tunnel disaster etc. plus no money to get us back on feet .

  16. Struth

    “There are also broader challenges related to climate change.

    “We’ve seen fires threatening our water catchments and air quality, blue-green algae in waterways across the state, anthrax outbreaks following a prolonged dry period and heatwaves into autumn,” Dr Sutton said.

  17. “At this stage we are unable to confirm whether any fines have been issued. However, as per our process, all fines in relation to the Chief Health Officer directions will be reviewed to determine whether they should be withdrawn or whether it was more appropriate to issue a warning.

    In other words, just fine the crap out of everyone and if they complain we’ll look into it.

    Well done, VicPol. I feel so much safer now, and have every confidence that the laws will be applied without fear or favour.

    Unless you’re George Pell, of course.

  18. MACK

    Where are the health economists with their Quality Adjusted Life Years and cost- benefit analyses? They’ve been churning out stuff for decades about how to make rational choices when saving lives with limited resources. Why the deafening silence?

  19. Cynic of Ayr

    Well, I’m sorry, but Victorians will re-elect him, no trouble.
    If his previous communism didn’t faze them, than this won’t cause a ripple.
    Free money!
    You have to remember that is was only a few Queenslanders that kept shorten out of the Lodge, to demonstrate how bad the left has taken over!

  20. nb

    ‘If we don’t do this Victorians will die’
    Ban all human activity.

  21. Pyrmonter

    @ Sinc

    Supposing your interlocutor was the WA Senator … that fits entirely with my case that the Libs are being run by exiles from the DLP. They’ll be picking up Gregory Copley’s ‘re-industrialisation’ nonsense next.

  22. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Cynic of Ayr quoth “You have to remember that is was only a few Queenslanders that kept shorten out of the Lodge, to demonstrate how bad the left has taken over!”
    Without the help of Bob Brown and the little blackthroat finches I used to trap on the Mitchell flats further up the track for 2/6 a pair, Shorten would be there but I doubt if he would be smart enough to get us into a worse position than this one for Ken Henry and K Rudd didn’t come within a bulls roar of this outfit’s profligate spending spree, and they are supposedly smarter than Shorten.

  23. We are governed by idiots*.

    Who elected them?

    * all posts to cat must be at least 2 minutes apart, so as to maintain effective socialist distancing.

  24. NoFixedAddress

    “We’ve seen fires threatening our water catchments and air quality, blue-green algae in waterways across the state, anthrax outbreaks following a prolonged dry period and heatwaves into autumn,” Dr Sutton said.

    So he’s pretty hopeless at actually doing anything then.

  25. Sinclair Davidson

    They’ll be picking up Gregory Copley’s ‘re-industrialisation’ nonsense next.

    Alas.

  26. WDYSIA

    I agree with Cynic. Victorians will re-elect Andrews. Those frogs got cooked a long time ago and there won’t be a resurrection. Besides, look at O’Brien’s response to Andrews’ extension of his communist regime. I did not even know who the Victorian opposition leader was until two days ago.

  27. David

    I think the confinement is working out well in keeping the confirmed cases and deaths well down in Australia vis a vis Europe, UK especially and US. I’m just so thankful for the Government action which will be relaxed in due course, when safe to do so.

    I note in walking my dog every day no angst among the local Sandringham citizenry, rather politeness and good humour.

  28. tombell

    Victorians will re-elect Andrews.

    remind me again who the Leader of the Opposition is. What has he/she/it had to say about any of this?

  29. Fair Shake of the Sauce Bottle

    Spenders gotta spend
    Which means finers gotta fine

  30. Lee

    The problem with the Victorian Libs is that since Jeff Kennett was premier they have moved so far to the left, they are essentially the same as Labor, just differing slightly on details.
    How can the Libs attack Labor, when they’re basically in agreement with them?
    I wouldn’t mind betting that most in the Victorian LNP are global warmists.

  31. Graham

    The police state can literally fuck off. Oh for a second amendment.

  32. notafan

    But they are out and about in Sandringham, are they not?

    Locally lots of people out and about enjoying the fine weather.

    Some outrageous lawbreakers even having the audacity to be sitting on a picnic rug.

    Whatever people were doing, they weren’t self isolating, lots of people stopping for a chat, and virtually all mask free.

    None of this quick half hour of brisk exercise and home.

  33. notafan

    It will never be any ‘safe (r) to do so’ than it is now.

  34. min

    Since I posted earlier the media are putting out how bad Victoria will be and another depression is being predicted . Of course Andrews does not agree with the economists .Perhaps Someone can tell theLNP how to get publicity , the left media ignore them and give them minimum coverage that is highly edited . No wonder they look p### weak.

  35. nb

    I guess being conservative these days means relying on legacy media.

  36. sfw

    Lee is spot on, there is no opposition in Vic, just real Labor and faux Labor, nothing else.

  37. Roger

    “You have to remember that is was only a few Queenslanders that kept shorten out of the Lodge

    And most of them were CFMMEU members or sympathisers.

    It still sticks in Bill’s craw. Happily.

  38. Michael Lewis

    Who are the existing and new cases? Are they related? How many of the other 99% of the population are developing non-traceable illness? Is this mass lockdown a total nonsense? What if we lockdown those with it and their possible contacts, still encourage the separation of children and elderly, and continued to promote hygeine, all around and closed borders? And encourage the rest to go back to work? Would we notice any difference in the death rate? We seem to be consumed by panic, “expert” or politician and of course the media. I don’t believe we are the same as the UK or USA. But where is the analysis of the reported numbers?

    Decisions in a vacuum without realising it!

  39. Squirrel

    “Mainstream suburban families — the ones putting up with all the asinine interpretations of hastily cobbled together laws are clean as a whistle, as far as unknown positives are concerned. No wonder they’re getting cranky.”

    And also putting up with the endless whining by and on behalf of flag of convenience Strayans who seem to think they can go anywhere (in the world), any time and do whatever they like, and if anything goes wrong the Australian Government (i.e. all current and future taxpayers) should come to their immediate rescue – like a personalised squad of Marvel Super-Heroes – at no cost or inconvenience to them.

  40. PB

    “The Hunchback of SpringSt will win the next election.”

    As long as you keep promising other people’s money to the diversities and the dipsticks, you can’t lose.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    Police cannot confirm if fines were issued to mourners paying respects at Victorian cemeteries over the Easter weekend.

    In a statement issued to the Herald Sun, police said they sent “clear instructions” to its members last week.

    “Discretion is to be used if people are attending the cemetery to pay their respects to loved ones,” a police spokeswoman said

    Use your discretion.
    So the cops gathered in the Catholic section of the cemetery.

  42. Docket62

    ‘If we don’t do this Victorians will die’

    I dont suppose we get to choose do we?

  43. Bela Bartok

    A lot of Cats are talking about ‘this is the end of globalism’; ‘this is the end of open borders’ etc.
    Sorry – that’s only for rational people.
    The slime don’t care about the real impacts of their policies; they’ll ignore the reality.
    The only thing this changes is how swiftly governments in the future enact their new ‘lockdown provisions’.
    Sad.

  44. rickw

    The police state can literally fuck off. Oh for a second amendment.

    We don’t have a Second Amendment, but we can have a Second Amendment Mindset.

    If Victorian’s aren’t completely stupid the end of this shit should see most Victorian’s with a shooters license and a gun and ammo buying spree that will only be beaten by the USA.

  45. Up The Workers!

    Well, no surprises there…after all Dodgy Dan has to pay for those two massive $46,000 p.a. pay rises he has given himself in quick succession in a little over a month or two.

    No cuts in salary for the for Dodgy Dan the “Wukkas’ Pal”.

    A.L.P. – Always Looting the Peasantry.

  46. Up The Workers!

    Does anybody else find it highly suspicious that at least three dozen times per day, we are told by serious-looking medicos on the idiot-box that surgical masks for the mere peasantry are of zero use whatsoever.

    You know that they are medicos, because they invariably have a stethoscope hanging around their neck, and are mumbling all their words through one of those very same surgical masks that they are telling us are of bugger-all value to the highly-expendable taxpayer who pays their salary.

    Hmmm…I smell a bat!

  47. Docket62

    We don’t have a Second Amendment, but we can have a Second Amendment Mindset.

    Problems with that. I have handguns – fully Licenced as part of competitive sport, Long guns capable of hitting the Ace of Spades out to 1500M – same sport but at distance. And enough ammo to not worry about re loading for a while…

    The problem is, at any time, the government can simply walk through your front door and remove it. They dont even need a warrant. So while we talk of second amendment mindsets, there is no protection legally if the government decide to take away your toys and there is no motivation to change that politically.

    I am always an advocate that if you want to arm yourself fine, but you need to do it for the right reasons and support the sport. Self Defence isn’t a sport, nor is it legal in Australia.

    But numbers matter. If membership jumped by 600% then we start to get a voice to make changes and governments will have to listen. Its why the NRA is so powerful – That and the 2nd amendment!

  48. Old Lefty

    I see the High Court has prompted some of the Victorian Opposition to wake up; let’s hope it lasts longer than five minutes this time.

    Any truth to reports that the VicPlods were picking on people near the Ripponlea synagogue on Saturday? Wouldn’t put it past them.

  49. flyingduk

    I have handguns …… Long guns capable of hitting the Ace of Spades out to 1500M ….. enough ammo to not worry about re loading for a while…The problem is, at any time, the government can simply walk through your front door and remove it. They dont even need a warrant

    I reeeeeely hope they don’t try confiscation, I HATE boating!

  50. Tel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka#Creation

    In the first month and half after the October Revolution (1917), the duty of “extinguishing the resistance of exploiters” was assigned to the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee (or PVRK). It represented a temporary body working under directives of the Council of People’s Commissars (Sovnarkom) and Central Committee of RDSRP(b). The VRK created new bodies of government,[clarification needed] organized food delivery to cities and the Army, requisitioned products from bourgeoisie, and sent its emissaries and agitators into provinces. One of its most important functions was the security of revolutionary order, and the fight against counterrevolutionary activity (see: Anti-Soviet agitation).

    We are into some bad shit.

  51. Tel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    Leszek Kołakowski noted that while Bolsheviks (especially Lenin) were very much focused on the Marxian concept of “violent revolution” and dictatorship of the proletariat long before the October Revolution. Implementation of the dictatorship was clearly defined by Lenin as early as in 1906 where he argued it must involve “unlimited power based on force and not on law”, “absolutely unrestricted by any rules whatever and based directly on violence”. In The State and Revolution of 1917 Lenin once again reiterated the arguments raised by Marx and Engels calling for use of terror. Voices calling for moderate use of violence, such as Kautsky’s, met “furious reply” from Lenin in The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky (1918). Another theoretical and systematic argument in favor of organized terror in response to Kautsky’s reservations was written by Trotsky in The Defense of Terrorism (1921). Trotsky argued that in the light of historical materialism, it’s sufficient that the “violence is successful” for it to justify its “rightness”. Trotsky also introduced and provided ideological justification for many of the future features characterizing the Bolshevik system, such as “militarization of labor” and concentration camps.[66]

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