Thursday Forum: April 16, 2020

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  1. johanna says:

    Podium!

  2. Mak Siccar says:

    Woo hoo!

  3. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Just posted on the OT
    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3413794, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    By not downloading the App you secure the right to pick up Covid-19, not know about it, not be traceable, and then circulate in the community infecting lots of other people, potentially killing some

    (Sorry, another long post)

    When Dr Who returned to our screens, for me, the high point was the series that included the two-parter: The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit

    In that second episode, The Dr is faced with a moral dilemma: by breaking the prison of the “Beast” he is confronting, he will destroy its prison planet but cause those fleeing on board the rocket, including Rose, to be dragged into the Black Hole.

    Realising that the whole situation has been set up by the Beast in such a way to escape the prison but to use the affection of people for each other against them initially, he is overwhelmed. Destroy the Beast and cause his friend to die. However he realises that human beings have agency which can free them from being victims! The Dr responds that freedom for the Beast is the freedom to die.

    https://youtu.be/fWK9xmBdZrc

    By downloading the app we are endanger of freeing The Beast, all to, perhaps, reduce the risk of getting or passing on the China Pestilence.

    “Saving” ourselves means losing the last vestiges of a free life in this country. Despite the social distancing hand-of-the-state, ready to grab hold of us should we entertain a thought about sitting on a beach, in a park or in our own cars, away from anyone else, now we are being told that the only way we can truly survive and be “released” is to give away our remaining private life.

    I did not sign up to having my health records available for all and sundry to read and I’m not signing up to this. We have lost thousands of our young men fighting for freedom and against totalitarian rule. Well, I’ll take my chances and in my own small way I will stand with them for freedom.

  4. stackja says:

    Hello. Social distancing?

  5. Hay Stockard says:

    Top 5. Whoopee.

  6. stackja says:

    BBS – My care team know where I am.

  7. stackja says:

    HS – Ella song!

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Top ten?

  9. Black Ball says:

    So how do we pay the debt from this fiasco? From the Hun with Anthony Keane writing:

    ‘A GST increase, coronavirus levy and other big tax changes are likely to be examined by governments when Australia switches it’s focus to paying back hundreds of billions of dollars of debt.
    More than $200 billion of stimulus packages were announced in March, and billions more will evaporate through lower tax receipts from an economy in recession.
    Some academics and analysts want a lift to the 10 percent GST, which is lower than many countries, to repay it.
    Others want tax breaks for retirees scrapped to help repay the debt rather than leave it with younger generations of workers to struggle with.
    AMP Capital chief economist Shane Oliver said collecting extra revenue, rather than spending cuts, was the most likely way governments would pay back the debt.
    “I think the most logical way to approach it would be a coronavirus levy,” he said.
    “People begrudgingly accept them because they can see a need. I think most Australians who still have a decent job would be happy to contribute.”
    Australians have paid temporary gun levies, flood levies and Budget repair levies Dr Oliver said.’

    So there you have it. Let’s listen to academics and analysts who got us in the shit first up to fleece whoever has a job to contribute more to cover the arses of the government clowns. Not sure you can get taxes from businesses who have shuttered. FMD.

  10. Ryan says:

    Did chuckle at the spray Kevin Rudd gave Mal in private:

    Mr Turnbull claims that Mr Rudd described him as a “little f..king rat”.

    “You piece of shit,” Mr Rudd was reported to have told Mr Turnbull. “I’m going to get you for this. I’m going to come down to Australia and campaign against you in every part of the country. I will remind them of Godwin f..king Grech you …”

  11. Hay Stockard says:

    Bar Beach Swimmer,
    I agree about the monstrous enormity of the Governments in this matter. The megalomaniac workshy politic classes are enjoying their chance to visit tyranny upon us.
    The only people I see benefiting from this are the Red Chinese.

  12. stackja says:

    BB – Increase tariffs on Red China imports?

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    ‘A GST increase, coronavirus levy and other big tax changes are likely to be examined by governments when Australia switches it’s focus to paying back hundreds of billions of dollars of debt.

    Doesn’t an increase in the G.S.T. require the approval of all the States?

  14. stackja says:

    NKP Sting now Jazz.

  15. Hay Stockard says:

    Zulu,
    And you reckon the States won’t be on this like a seagull on chips?

  16. Black Ball says:

    Nah Zulu, just have the National Cabinet rubber-stamp it. It is rage inducing for sure.

  17. Black Ball says:

    Excellent suggestion stackja

  18. Rebel with cause says:

    A corona levy us totally fine, but that time the government wanted to charge $5 bucks for GP visits was going to see people dying in the streets.

    Honestly, this country.

  19. Rossini says:

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    Doesn’t an increase in the G.S.T. require the approval of all the States?
    The states will jump on board with this possible increase as if there is no tomorrow

  20. vlad says:

    You snooze, you lose. I was busy on an email and lost my chance for podium glory.

  21. Old Lefty says:

    This is the same pack of tame poodles who found no evidence that the Victorian Police had leaked against Pell.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-16/ibac-police-break-mans-arm-fitzroy-hares-and-hyenas-raid/12153142

    The commissioner’s name says it all: Redlich.

  22. 1735099 says:

    Perhaps we need an App to track perverts who are spying on men, women and children frolicking on Cottesloe Beach?

    That would be one hell of an App if it could identify someone in Queensland spying on someone in WA.
    But this is Catallaxy, and the post was from Cassie, who lives in an alternative dimension populated by Joo haters who congregate in her toilet block.

  23. Infidel Tiger King says:

    A corona levy us totally fine, but that time the government wanted to charge $5 bucks for GP visits was going to see people dying in the streets.

    Honestly, this country.

    Turns out the best way to get healthcare costs down isn’t a $5 levy but a $2 trillion economy destroyed over a fake crisis. Our hospitals are empty and so are our GP practices.

  24. feelthebern says:

    Why would 25mill people have to sign up to an app ?
    Right now, governments have the authority to geo-track all:
    1) people they say who have died of COVID 19 for as long back as they want (until autopsies are made public don’t believe they died of COVID 19);
    2) people who have tested positive for it.

  25. Where do I go to get realtime tracking of Dan of the Dead’s location?

  26. feelthebern says:

    That would be one hell of an App if it could identify someone in Queensland spying on someone in WA.

    Have you not read everything that Sn0wden reported the NSA could do?

  27. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Some great posts – among others, Twostix and a man’s home & Winston at the end of the OT. And everyone commenting on that megalomaniac sociopath, Turnbull.

  28. Nick says:

    Just who is ‘the mocker’ who writes for the Oz. The best commentary in Australia.

  29. Geriatric Mayfly says:

    I may have to review my opinion of Greg. Let’s see how he handles the ABC response.

    The people’s choice, the Hon. Paul Fletcher MHR and Minister for Communication will not be reading that sort of tripe. It may require a considered response, other than one from electronic Paul stating he has received your message etc etc.

  30. min says:

    Tgey will do whatsas done in cyprus take your money iut of your vank accounts

  31. Top Ender says:

    Too good to leave on the Old Fred:

    ABC’S GROUPTHINK ON PELL A SIN AGAINST JOURNALISM

    GREG SHERIDAN

    The national broadcaster was unanimous in its condemnation, yet it was wrong

    I believe Victorian Premier Dan Andrews has made one of the most irresponsible statements by a premier in modern political history. And the ABC has become a relentless behemoth of unaccountable and vindictive power that persecutes designated enemies in a grievously unfair and unprofessional way.

    Its campaigns against its enemies have a whiff of the Red Guards in China’s Cultural Revolution.

    Child sex abuse by Catholic priests and brothers is the most appalling thing I have ever known about the Catholic Church. It is right that the church bear great criticism for this and that guilty men be tried and punished.

    When historical abuse mostly occurred, such behaviour, tragically, was widespread and little understood. Nonetheless nothing excuses the behaviour of the abusers or those who covered up.

    In a small number of cases, innocent people have been accused. Forces that hate the church on other grounds have misused historic crimes to prosecute their agenda.

    Andrews, even under questioning from this column, has refused to say he respects the High Court’s decision. Two days after Pell’s unanimous acquittal, Andrews said: “There’s been a decision and I don’t want to find myself in contempt of the High Court so I won’t make any comments about that.”

    I took that to mean that Andrews disagreed strongly with the court’s decision but could not say so publicly, or he would be in contempt. That is the way many people took it and it seems the plain meaning in the English language.

    Andrews’s office disputes this, and on Wednesday said he “has not reflected on the High Court, nor would he”.

    Under a reasonable interpretation of Andrews’s remarks, their effect is to delegitimise the High Court’s decision, in effect to set the Victorian judicial system against the Australian judicial system. Andrews’s office says that was not his intent and I accept that.

    However, the shocking ambiguity, at best, of his remarks, coupled with his wilful refusal to say he respected the court’s decision, I believe qualify them as some of the most irresponsible remarks made by a modern premier. In more than 40 years of journalism, I can recall no premier making remarks that could be interpreted as challenging the High Court in a criminal matter. It reinforces the utterly destructive idea that courts are only to be respected when they convict people we regard as villains, that political sentiment is more important than judicial process. I think Andrews’s remarks could well have contributed to the acts of anti-Catholic vandalism in Melbourne.

    Tom Wolfe provided a brilliant fictional account of a wickedly politicised prosecution in The Bonfire of the Vanities, with its stylised “perp walk” to humiliate a defendant and gain maximum publicity. The book ends with an honest Jewish judge throwing the case out and saying: “What makes you think you can come before the bench waving the banner of community pressure? The law is not for the few or the many …”

    The ABC has been rightly criticised for its relentlessly one-sided and unfair coverage of Pell. No human being could possibly imagine the ABC lived up to the basic edicts of professional journalism, or behaved fairly. I want to make a slightly different point, one I hope the leadership of the ABC will at least consider and engage with.

    The ABC leadership should take stock of its sheer power and the mind-numbing disparity in power which its $1bn of annual government money gives it in a confrontation with anyone it designates an enemy of the people.

    It should understand the multiplying, almost exponential, intimidating effect of its tendency to project the same message across all its platforms, including the social media platforms of its journalists and its comedy and satire programs. No individual can withstand a full herd assault by the ABC. No one should have to. Pell was not only abused and unfairly reported in ABC news and current affairs. The ABC featured favourites like Tim Minchin singing Come Home Cardinal Pell, which included the line: “I think you’re scum.”

    Does no one in the ABC anywhere have the slightest misgiving about this? Can anyone the ABC hates ever get a fair trial? Four Corners and the 7.30 Report devoted whole programs to vilifying Pell. The allegations they used were either dismissed or lacked sufficient evidence to come to court, despite the overwhelming desire of the Victorian system to prosecute Pell. There is an acknowledgment of this on the programs’ websites, but viewers who don’t read the websites have not been informed that the slander of Pell was wrong.

    Louise Milligan, an ABC journalist, wrote a book damning Pell. It too was based in part on allegations now dismissed in court. Yet she was used on the ABC as though she were an impartial reporter. Even worse, because she was an ABC employee, the ABC itself never hosted a serious critical evaluation of the book.

    Gerard Henderson wrote powerful critiques of Milligan’s book, saying there were factual errors and asking her how much investigation she did before accepting allegations as fact, and how she could reconstruct, verbatim, decades-old conversations from one-sided sources.

    If the ABC was behaving professionally, it would have invited Henderson on to make his critique there. But the ABC is a herd of independent minds. They never seriously disagree and never criticise each other by name, though they criticise everyone else by name. Milligan’s book was never searchingly critiqued on the ABC. Given the massive power of the ABC, this is an abuse of power.

    Milligan even tweeted that Henderson was a “vile bully” and guilty of “defending p edophiles”. No one at the ABC disagreed with her publicly or had any objection. I don’t think I could write that about someone just because they disagreed with me. The ABC must look at the cumulative effect of all this.

    As the court cases proceeded, David Marr, a fine writer and a gifted journalist but a profoundly committed enemy of Pell, was one of the ABC’s chief commentators.

    Four men, Greg Craven, Frank Brennan, Gerard Henderson and Andrew Bolt, consistently questioned whether the evidence against Pell could sustain a conviction. They were routinely vilified (especially Bolt, who must be the bravest man in Australia).

    Yet here’s the thing. Their assessment of the legal matters was right. Everyone the ABC relied on, and all the ABC staff journalists who led their coverage, were wrong. This is an acceptable performance? That’s the diversity and contest of views $1bn buys?

    I don’t criticise ABC journalists for getting the odd thing wrong. God knows I get plenty wrong. I do criticise them for acting with so much irresponsibility, so much herd hostility towards one individual, for failing to provide any semblance of balance (except for the stylised environment of a few panel shows where the odd dissident participates). I criticise them for never criticising each other, while criticising everyone else, and making it impossible for outsiders to criticise them on the ABC itself.

    This is an irresponsible, vicious, bullying misuse of state power. It’s not brave. It’s wrong.

    Print edition of the Oz

  32. Dr Faustus says:

    Why would 25mill people have to sign up to an app ?

    When the government instructs the telcos that it is illegal – with huge corporate personal penalties – to provide carriage services to a mobile device which does not have the HappyOzTrack app installed and operating.

  33. 2 minutes between posts please.

    You can’t be too careful, it may save one life.

  34. Robber Baron says:

    File under: Unintended consequences.

    Got to talking to my Aldi worker drone today. BTW, Aldi was back to normal pre-mad panic level of traffic. Anyway, the guy said to me that they are not cleaning the floor near the checkout because the floor polisher tears up the tape they put on the ground designating where people should stand. This he thinks is happening in all stores/places where the “stand here” strips are.

    I went to my local bakery to have a look, and yes, the stickers are filthy and the floor is not clean. I will venture into Woollies later this week and take a careful look.

    I also spoke to a friend that works for the Tyrant Dan as a lowly worker drone. He tells me that the Tyrant has no intention of lifting any home detention until after a vaccine has been manufactured. I said that could be months or even years and that thousands of businesses will be destroyed. He said that was what he heard. If this is the Tyrant’s thinking then he must be insane.

  35. Black Ball says:

    So we have er, celebrities telling us not to go out, saving lives, washing hands whatever. But that of course doesn’t apply to them. From the Hun:

    ‘Broadcaster Kate Langbroek has adopted aggressive tactics after a heated run in with Italian police during the lockdown in Bologna.
    Langbroek, who lives in the Italian city with husband Pete Lewis and their 4 children, was questioned by police while walking to a store to buy food.
    It followed an earlier incident where Lewis was slapped with a notice, saying he was being sued by police for riding his bicycle. After Lewis was reprimanded, Langbroek laughed “good, I hope they deport us. It’s the only way we can get out of here.”
    Following another run-in with police, she clapped back. “They were a bit surprised by how aggressive I was,” Langbroek told FOX FM. “I’d been day drinking. That’s my new strategy. I’m going to be aggressive.”

  36. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Stacker
    #3413806, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:08 pm
    BBS – My care team know where I am

    That’s ok, Stackja, just as long as it’s no one elses!

  37. Crossie says:

    stackja
    #3413816, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:11 pm
    BB – Increase tariffs on Red China imports?

    Yes, poetic justice. What’s more let them compete with other producers on a level playing field. And third, those who want to punish the Chinese government for inflicting this disease on us can choose not to buy and thus pay the tax.

  38. feelthebern says:

    I was just on a conference call with a property manager.
    He said that this rental code of conduct between property managers & businesses impacted by the government shutdowns is the biggest policy abortion he’s ever seen (I’m paraphrasing).
    He said there is no way a business is going to hand over the financial records needed to qualify for the rent relief.
    He said for the 10% of businesses on their rent book, he said they’ll most likely have to make a call on kicking them out in the future or a rent cut.
    He also said that’s an opportunity to cleanse their tenant list (the bottom 2-3% of the rental book takes up 20% of their time).
    It is going to get brutal out there.

  39. Nick says:

    Mocker, whomever you are, and I’m sure you’d read the Cat, thank you !

  40. stackja says:

    “WHO boss says USA fund cut will stop WHO boss in fight against Wuhan virus.” WHO boss is late to fight.

  41. feelthebern says:

    Kate Langbroek

    After one run in with an undesirable on a Melbourne street she moved to Italy.
    Hilarious.

  42. feelthebern says:

    At least post 9/11 it only impacted you if you went to the airport or were a RoPer.

  43. Nick #3413853, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:30 pm
    stackja #3413854, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    You guys are not listening.

    socialist distance or else!

  44. JohnJJJ says:

    Other unintended consequences ( tales from the frontline):
    The yellow bins in our suburb are overflowing ( they are the ones for the bottles)
    The number of postal items has doubled and the amount of junk the Post Office sells has halved.
    Seagulls have given up on people and now swarm the ocean for fish leaving the pigeons and ibises to rule the parks.
    Any others?

  45. Crossie says:

    Is this COVID-19 app expected to act in the same way that lepers in the Middl Ages were forced to ring a bell and call out “unclean” wherever they went?

  46. Nick says:

    Lol IR. Stack is old. I don’t care if he gets it.

  47. Some History says:

    9 th

  48. vlad says:

    After one run in with an undesirable on a Melbourne street she moved to Italy.

    Melbourne’s gain was Italy’s loss.

  49. After one run in with an undesirable on a Melbourne street she moved to Italy.

    She met Dan?

  50. hzhousewife says:

    from the OT
    Hubby on the phone to a call centre yesterday, chit-chat revealed he was in Philippines, hubby asked how were things with the covid19 and the bloke burst into tears! His elderly father had been diagnosed with the virus and he himself is the only family breadwinner and worried about losing his job. Bit upsetting. No welfare over there, sink or swim.

  51. Top Ender says:

    The NT government has just announced that cracker night on 1 July is being cancelled.

    Quick as a flash the NT News disagrees:

    TERRITORIANS love Cracker Night and cancelling it this far out is madness.

    It’s one of the greatest nights of the year as we celebrate self government on July 1 each year.

    For Territorians, this is the toughest year in our history.

    It’s still 76 days until Cracker Night/Territory Day and we think the Gunner Government has pulled the trigger far too early in cancelling events and the purchase of personal fireworks.

    We are now at Day 10 with no new coronavirus cases in the community and people are starting to see light at the end of the tunnel.

    So why would the Gunner Government announce that such an important celebration in our calendar is cancelled this far out?

    We get these are unprecedented times but we see no real reason why Cracker Night has to be cancelled right now.

    Surely, a decision on such an important event for the psyche of Territorians should have been made much closer to the day i.e. a month in advance.

    What better way would there have been to celebrate the easing of restrictions with Cracker Night on July 1?

    How does the government know what the COVID-19 situation will look like in, say, mid June?

    The purchase of personal fireworks can easily be carried out with appropriate social distancing at shopfronts who sell them.

    Also, too, they can be set off with appropriate social distancing.

    Just when people are starting to feel better about the COVID-19 situation, the government has taken away a lot of that hope by cancelling Cracker Night 76 days out.

    With a government telling children and parents that they must attend school from next Monday, this latest message will again spark confusion in the community about what is right and what is not in this crisis.

    We get why the regional shows are cancelled because it’s a mass build up of people but Cracker Night is different.

    The Gunner Government has built up a lot of goodwill in the community in recent weeks.

    But this decision puts a lot of that goodwill at risk.

    If we can’t have Cracker Night, it’s up to the government to give Territorians hope.

    Because, right now, it feels like we’ve taken four steps forward and five steps back.

  52. Arky says:

    Screw tracking people’s phones.
    Implant chips in their brains.
    Make the helo rides out to sea easier to organise once we get the right wing death squad friendly government we need.

  53. Nick says:

    After one run in with an undesirable on a Melbourne street she moved to Italy.

    That’s ironic. She had a run in with the cops in Italy last week and wants to leave Italy now.

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Bui Tin’s “Following Ho Chi Minh: Memoirs of a North Vietnamese Colonel” records his disgust at the spectacle of two hundred thousand North Vietnamese conscripts, wounded in Cambodia, against the Khmer Rouge – over 50,000 were killed – trying to get the most basic in medical care and treatment. At the same time, the most luxurious of the villas in Hi Chi Minh City, Dalat, Vung Tau and Nha Trang were allocated to the members of the Politburo and their families. They only lived there a few days a year, on holidays, but, when they did want to go on holidays, they would commandeer a helicopter or aircraft to fly them there…

  55. feelthebern says:

    The Melbourne chappy was either a drug fuelled one or an African one.
    Can’t remember.

  56. Atoms for Peace says:

    A couple of our ex PMs are quietly happy with the Wuhan corona virus restrictions on funerals. They’ll be able to have twice as many people at their funerals.

  57. feelthebern says:

    Why were the North Vietnamese in Cambodia?
    Weren’t they just trying to liberate South Vietnam?

  58. johanna says:

    On Our Selection Chapter Ten:

    On Our Selection
    Chapter X
    Dad and the Donovans
    Steele Rudd

    A SWELTERING summer’s afternoon. A heat that curled and withered the very weeds. The corn-blades drooping, sulking still. Mother and Sal ironing, mopping their faces with a towel and telling each other how hot it was. The dog stretched across the doorway. A child’s bonnet on the floor—the child out in the sun. Two horsemen approaching the slip-rails.

    Dad had gone down the gully to Farmer, who had been sick for four days. The ploughing was at a standstill in consequence, for we had only two draught-horses. Dad erected a shelter over him, made of boughs, to keep the sun off. Two or three times a day he cut greenstuff for him—which the cows ate. He humped water to him which he sullenly refused to drink; and did all in his power to persuade Farmer to get up and go on with the ploughing. I don’t know if Dad knew anything of mesmerism, but he used to stand for long intervals dumbly staring the old horse full in the eyes till in a commanding voice he would bid him, “Get up!” But Farmer lacked the patriotism of the back-block poets. He was obdurate, and not once did he “awake,” not to mention “arise”.

    This afternoon, as Dad approached his dumb patient, he suddenly put down the bucket of water which he was carrying and ran, shouting angrily. A flock of crows flew away from Farmer and “cawed” from a tree close by. Dad was excited, and when he saw that one of the animal’s eyes was gone and a stream of blood trickled over its nose he sat down and hid his face in his big rough hands.

    “Caw, caw!” came from the tree.

    Dad rose and looked up.

    “Curse you!” he hissed—“you black wretches of hell!”

    “Caw, caw, caw”

    He ran towards the tree as though he would hurl it to the ground, and away flew the crows.

    Joe arrived.

    “W-w-wuz they at him, Dad?”

    Dad turned on him, trembling with rage.

    “Oh, you son of the Devil!” he commenced. “You worthless pup, you! Look there! Do you see that?” (He pointed to the horse.) “Did n’t I tell you to mind him? Did n’—”

    “Yes,” snivelled Joe; “but Anderson’s dog had a k-k-k-angaroo bailed up.”

    “Damn you, be off out of this!” And Dad aimed a block of wood at Joe which struck him on the back as he made away. But nothing short of two broken legs would stop Joe, who the next instant had dashed among the corn like an emu into a scrub.

    Dad returned to the house, foaming and vowing to take the gun and shoot Joe down like a wallaby. But when he saw two horses hanging up he hesitated and would have gone away again had Mother not called out that he was wanted. He went in reluctantly.

    Now read on

  59. Tom says:

    Finally a new fred! Whenever you don’t crank up a new daily open fred, Doomlord, we start to get anxious. Or not. Anyway, top hungie. Yeeha!

  60. Crossie says:

    After Lewis was reprimanded, Langbroek laughed “good, I hope they deport us. It’s the only way we can get out of here.”
    Following another run-in with police, she clapped back. “They were a bit surprised by how aggressive I was,” Langbroek told FOX FM. “I’d been day drinking. That’s my new strategy. I’m going to be aggressive.”

    I never understood anyone who would move to Europe. Holiday there OK, move there NO.

  61. Ed Case says:

    Why were the North Vietnamese in Cambodia?
    Weren’t they just trying to liberate South Vietnam?

    They threw Pol Pot out. Pol Pot came to power as a result of Kissinger bombing Cambodia.

  62. harrys on the boat says:

    Even the Mrs just admitted this crisis is being driven by hysterical women.

  63. Dr Faustus says:

    I also spoke to a friend that works for the Tyrant Dan as a lowly worker drone. He tells me that the Tyrant has no intention of lifting any home detention until after a vaccine has been manufactured. I said that could be months or even years and that thousands of businesses will be destroyed.

    No conspiracy.
    This is the thrust of the ScoMo/CMO C19 masterplan to protect ICU beds from the wheezing elderly. Maximum Leader Andrews is simply implementing it.

    If it takes 6 months, or sixty months – that’s what it takes. Their business model is quite safe.

  64. Arky says:

    Pol Pot came to power because we didn’t stop the commies back in the Korean war.

  65. Botswana O'Hooligan says:

    One must have faith, especially faith in a national cabinet consisting of the State Premiers and the P.M. for they are the people who are going to guide us through these trying times with united leadership. A stellar example of their united leadership is demonstrated by the differing rules laid down for each State, the rules all draconian of course, mostly conflicting, and most probably also illegal as is the national cabinet, for that is what the federal parliament does. If they can conjure up a “national cabinet” out of thin air and are allowed to implement it permanently, then what else can they conjure up at will when it suits them?

  66. Dr Faustus says:

    Kate Langebroek in Italy.
    Explains the comparative loss of will to live.

  67. feelthebern says:

    I’ve never been to Bologna.
    Is it any good?

  68. Some History says:

    I’ve never been to Bologna.
    Is it any good?

    Good sauce. 🙂

  69. Ed Case says:

    ”The Commies” won in Korea because the U.S. Seventh Fleet patrolled the Formosa Strait for 3 years to prevent Chiang Kai Shek from attacking the Mainland.

  70. Leigh Lowe says:

    Nick
    #3413839, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:24 pm
    Just who is ‘the mocker’ who writes for the Oz. The best commentary in Australia.

    Scathing!
    Didn’t miss many on the way through.

  71. jupes says:

    Just who is ‘the mocker’ who writes for the Oz. The best commentary in Australia.

    Superb column on Pell. An exert:

    Turning now from the bush lawyer to the bandana kind, we must give a special mention to Sydney Morning Herald columnist Peter FitzSimons. In June 2017, following the announcement that Pell was facing criminal charges, he asked rhetorically via Twitter if the cardinal would step down “until such times [sic] as he proves [his] innocence”.

    In fairness to FitzSimons, he was only 56 years old when he tweeted this, and clearly no-one had explained to the noted author, journalist, Member of the Order of Australia and former fellow of the Senate of the University of Sydney that the prosecution, not the accused, bears the onus of proof.

    Lol!

  72. custard says:

    Top 75!

    Judging by the responses I’m getting on Spacechook I’m losing “friends” bigley ATM.
    The responses to the greatest overreaction in history are quite revealing. Even my local member Anne Aly replied last night to my suggestion of a 20% pay cut for the PS. She responded that ATM our public servants are working harder that ever before!

    FMD

  73. Fisky says:

    Huge drop in immigration. Hooray! Let it fall to ZERO.

    The number of temporary visa holders in Australia dropped by 260,000 in the first three months of this year, with a further 50,000 departing in the first two weeks of April, Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge has revealed.

    Research obtained by The Australian predicts a further 300,000 people could leave the country to return home by the end of the year…

  74. Arky says:

    ”The Commies”

    ..
    Why the quotes?
    You think they aren’t communist?

  75. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Sam Newman is on the steps of Vic Parliament in his golf attire and with clubs protesting the shutting of Victorian gold courses.

    That is one awful State. Why the hell are golf courses shut?

  76. stevem says:

    Since the GST agreement has the GST revenue directed to the states, how would raining the GST help the Federal Government debt?

  77. stevem says:

    raining the GST help

    Raising

  78. Tel says:

    Pol Pot came to power because we didn’t stop the commies back in the Korean war.

    Would have required invasion of mainland China.

  79. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Would have required invasion of mainland China.

    would have been worth it

  80. Ed Case says:

    Why the quotes?
    You think they aren’t communist?

    Who cares? They’re the Enemy Du Jour of the last 70 years.
    Ever wonder why the U.S. protected Red China from attack by Taiwan during the Korean War and after?

  81. Leigh Lowe says:

    feelthebern
    #3413855, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:32 pm
    Kate Langbroek

    After one run in with an undesirable on a Melbourne street she moved to Italy.
    Hilarious.

    Background.
    Kate become the token ugly middle-aged lefty wymminses on Melbourne TV after Wendy Harmer moved to Sydney.
    Lived in St Kilda and revelled in the “eclectic inner city arty grunge vibe”.
    Until a junkie tried to break through her door whilst she was home.
    She was traumatised and the media luvvies rallied around.
    Of course, the same media luvvies still “bravely call out racism” when anyone complains about JB home invasions.

  82. cohenite says:

    Barrymore in Don Juan (1926) is terrific. 22 kisses so far (the movie holds the record for the number of kisses in a movie, 127) ; Don jr’s father (also played by Barrymore) comes home, finds the missus snooking with the neighbour, cements the neighbour in the wall cavity, casts out the missus and says to her:

    Snivel, you lying wretch; betrayer of men and the honour of men.

    Then says to young Don who’s having a bit of a blub:

    Yonder goes your mother and with her my faith in women.

    What a man, what a movie!

    Piss off head prefect.

  83. Dr Faustus says:

    Coronavirus response wins support — but we’re less happy with other Aussies’ behaviour

    Paraphrased (but not by much):

    – 30% think things are pretty fantastic;
    – Another 40% think things are OK;
    – About 40% think everyone else is a bit shit.

    Time for a pillow over the nation’s face.

  84. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Even my local member Anne Aly replied last night to my suggestion of a 20% pay cut for the PS. She responded that ATM our public servants are working harder that ever before!

    ten times zero is still zero

  85. Leigh Lowe says:

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3413907, posted on April 16, 2020 at 1:05 pm
    Sam Newman is on the steps of Vic Parliament in his golf attire and with clubs protesting the shutting of Victorian gold courses.

    That is one awful State. Why the hell are golf courses shut?

    Because the Elf Department is full of Karens who have been fighting the causes of the left for years – anti smoking, sugary drinks, takeaway food yada yada.
    Banning fishing and golf got them all wet in their cottontails.

  86. Arky says:

    Ever wonder why the U.S. protected Red China from attack by Taiwan during the Korean War and after?

    ..
    No.
    See Battle of Guningtou.

  87. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Huge drop in immigration. Hooray! Let it fall to ZERO.

    It’s even better than zero, it’s going negative.

    Lots of riff raft been sent packing.

    No doubt the ponzi will quadruple the next intake.

  88. Boambee John says:

    Even my local member Anne Aly replied last night to my suggestion of a 20% pay cut for the PS. She responded that ATM our public servants are working harder that ever before!

    Is she suggesting that they were not working very hard previously?

  89. Fisky says:

    From The Diplomat –

    Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?

    PRC moral turpitude forces us to consider the unthinkable.

    The mayor of Wuhan even suggested that the central government prevented him from revealing details about the epidemic until January 20. Considering the first public announcements came out of Wuhan on January 1, we can assume that Xi had a sense of the danger prior to that.

    Clearly, downplaying the disease wasn’t working and it was time for the Party to get serious. But how serious? Would it provide full cooperation to the international community? Would being seen as the source of this virus hurt its international image? Beyond these, there was a darker dimension: the more Beijing cooperated, the less the disease stood to affect other countries. This includes countries China sees as a threat to its existence, like the United States. Why should China suffer the effects of a pandemic while others stayed safe — and increased their strength relative to China — based on China’s own costly experience?

    Such a question is of course inimical to human decency. And yet we must consider that Xi Jinping has produced the greatest program of ethnic cleansing in the world today. He has curtailed freedoms in China severely and is the father of the panopticon state. His incessant military buildup threatens neighbors while using economic and other subversive means to erode the sovereignty of countries around the world. We should not assume it was beyond his imagining to withhold a degree of support from the international community to ensure that China would not suffer alone.

    Exactly what I have suspected and for similar reasons. China closed its internal borders with Hubei on January 23, but did NOT close its international borders at all.

    Why would they do this? To equally infect other countries in the region and deter foreign companies from shifting their operations. Why move to Vietnam or India if those places have also shut down?

  90. I don’t think I will trust the next phone upgrades from Apple and Goggle.
    $1 says they will auto install the government tracking app (in a world coronaing near you).

  91. H B Bear says:

    The Hunchback might be waiting a while for a vaccine.

    What’s Plan B?

  92. Robber Baron says:

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3413877, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    Nothing much has changed. I lived in Vietnam for a decade and l recall taking a flight from Ha Noi to Ho Chi Minh City. As the flight had completed its landing and came to a complete stop on the runway. A mobile staircase drove up to the plane followed by a black mercedes. Some guy got off got into the back of the car and drove off. We had to wait for the staircase to drive off then we made our way to the parking bay to disembark. I’ve caught hundreds of flights and never experienced something like that before. Everyone on the plane kept saying V.I.P.

  93. Nick says:

    I’ve never been to Bologna.
    Is it any good?

    A University town, dusky red bricks. Allegedly the putani give the best blow jobs in Italy.

  94. Sean says:

    haha Victoria banned golf!!

  95. Nick says:

    No doubt the ponzi will quadruple the next intake.

    Yep, you just wait.

  96. cohenite says:

    Wuhan Institute of Virology:

    In 2005, a group including researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology published research into the origin of the SARS coronavirus, finding that China’s horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses.[8] Continuing this work over a period of years, researchers from the Institute sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across China, isolating over 300 bat coronavirus sequences.[9]
    In 2015, a team including scientists from the Institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.[10][11]
    In 2017, a team from the Institute announced that coronaviruses found in horseshoe bats at a cave in Yunnan contain all the genetic pieces of the SARS virus, and hypothesized that the direct progenitor of the human virus originated in this cave. The team, who spent five years sampling the bats in the cave, noted the presence of a village only a kilometer away, and warned of “the risk of spillover into people and emergence of a disease similar to SARS”

  97. Helen says:

    Over 100 runs. That’ll do!

  98. feelthebern says:

    I don’t think I will trust the next phone upgrades from Apple and Goggle.
    $1 says they will auto install the government tracking app (in a world coronaing near you).

    They already do.

  99. harrys on the boat says:

    What a shit stain Morrison and the Libs are. They’ve given that socialist Muppet free reign to destroy his state and then point them to Morrison to pick up the bill.

    Complete and utter clusterfuck.

  100. Boambee John says:

    No doubt the ponzi will quadruple the next intake.

    But, but, but, … The CMO said controlling our borders would be essential in the future! He’s N expert, doncha know.

  101. Tintarella di Luna says:

    I have been up since 4:00am but have been working and not able to read the Oz online until now — my goodness me Greg Sheridan has certainly torn that beastly Leviathan a new — wow — I may have to review my opinion of Greg I’ve thought him quite the wimp and waffler but this is a tour de force.

    The ABC picks and chooses who and what it will promote and champion – and who and what it champions is very telling, Zacky Mallah, the vilification of our naval personnel, the promotion of everything Green, the endless one-sided promotion of the global warming/climate change hoax, the gibbeting of Cardinal George Pell and the relentless denigration of Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular, the same-sex marriage promotion of only one side of the debate, the one-sided campaign to shut down greyhound racing, gun-control the Don Dale perfidious gotchas, the overnight closing down of the Australian cattle industry — Cardinal George Pell said it best: the ABC’s promotion of one view and one view only is not in the national interest.

  102. ryki says:

    Paraphrased (but not by much):
    – 30% think things are pretty fantastic;
    – Another 40% think things are OK;
    – About 40% think everyone else is a bit shit.
    Time for a pillow over the nation’s face.

    I told you guys that when governments implemented these lunatic policies, 90 per cent of Australians wanted it. Now this support is significantly less but it will be a while before the people turn against them en masse. They have all been duped. Most simply don’t want to admit that even though the pain is starting to pile up.

    Politicians, if they had any sense, must know the inevitable outcome is uglier for them than anybody but politicians exist precisely because they have their fingers on the pulse – which means they are even more susceptible to hysteria than the average person.

  103. Snoopy says:

    I approve of a coronavirus levy provided it’s only paid by members of parliament, councillors, public servants and local government employees. Twenty percent of gross salary sounds fair.

  104. jupes says:

    Rodger Shanahan from the Lowy Institute is getting an absolute smashing in comments for his article advocating the lifting of sanctions against the evil Iranian mullahs in today’s Oz. This is the flavour of it:

    Washington’s directionless policy of maximum pressure against Tehran seems particularly devoid of strategic thought in the middle of the pandemic.

    Some examples of the comments:

    Delusional foolishness. This kind of think tank rubbish has allowed the likes of Iran to become the leading source of terrorism in the world and a communist behemoth to rise to the position of challenging the world order with authoritarianism.
    —-
    Remove sanctions and be rewarded a thousand fold through future death and terror.

    I did not expect the research fellow of the Lowy Institute to be this naive. Do you really believe that Teheran fanatics will transform their USA and Israel hatred into soft and fluffy brotherhood of men as a result of an American magnanimity? Purleese, give me a break.

    You’re kidding aren’t you Rodger? Washington’s policy re Iran sanctions couldn’t be more focussed. Ease them and the money goes into the leadership pockets and terrorist funding.

    Plenty more like that. Shanahan is an ‘expert’ on Iran.

  105. Some History says:

    Jane Yonda and Share are ecstatic. They’ve just found out that people who are mostly plastic have no risk of covid-19.

  106. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Why are we still being told what to do by unelected people with medical degrees?

    Not one of whom has ever specialised in viral transmission?

    Whose stated causes du jour are fat people and smoking? And fat smokers? Jesus Christ. I’m told (via others who’ve done it) that people diagnosed with various forms of cancer, by people who specialise in cancer, quite often get a second opinion from somebody else who also specialises in cancer.

    Has it occurred to anyone yet these halfwits haven’t got the faintest clue what they’re on about? Or that this appalling array of involuntary sanctions is just taking the easy opt out?

  107. jupes says:

    It’s even better than zero, it’s going negative.

    Lots of riff raft been sent packing.

    But, but … what about GDP!

  108. Tel says:

    Time for a pillow over the nation’s face.

    I think the religious apocalypse worshipping loons came to that conclusion some time ago.

  109. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Brace yourselves folks. WA just reported 3 (THREE) new cases of cruise ship flu.

  110. Nick says:

    Cats who are wine drinkers, Liquorland have Taylor’s Jaraman, 4 for $40. Tick delivery if it says no stock to pick up.

  111. Tintarella di Luna says:

    That’s gota be worth an aldi bag
    Kevin Rudd calls Donald Trump a ‘lunatic’ for withdrawing funds from the World Health Organisation

    I’m sure the Donald is all butt-hurt that the dumped little dumpy moon-faced irrelevancy has called him a lunatic — the Donald has been called worse than that by the entire Democratic party and the entire mainstream media for almost half a decade.

  112. jupes says:

    my goodness me Greg Sheridan has certainly torn that beastly Leviathan a new — wow — I may have to review my opinion of Greg I’ve thought him quite the wimp and waffler but this is a tour de force.

    Paul Kelly’s article in the Weekend Oz was another great smackdown. Pell has brought out the best in some of these old deep state fogies.

    After a 50 year career Kelly finally got something right. If he were smart, he would retire on a high.

  113. Tel says:

    Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?

    PRC moral turpitude forces us to consider the unthinkable.

    I have a suspicion that Xi will be removed along with all the others.

    Half of the point of the exercise is to make a public demonstration of his moral turpitude so that the punishment for sin appears kind of reasonable. It is necessary to prove that the world is corrupt in order to replace that corruption and have most people accept the replacement.

  114. Dr Faustus says:

    Shanahan is an ‘expert’ on Iran.

    Without being an inner part of it, nobody can be an expert on a top-down, autocratic regime.
    Unless you are a CMO.

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Why would 25mill people have to sign up to an app ?

    to pretend the government can’t already track every phone?

  116. Nick says:

    The Richmond Football Club will not reinstate Cardinal George Pell in an ambassadorial role despite his conviction for child sex abuse being unanimously overturned by the High Court of Australia.
    A spokeswoman confirmed the board’s decision on Thursday, which she said will not be revisited with no further comment to be made.

  117. twostix says:

    He tells me that the Tyrant has no intention of lifting any home detention until after a vaccine has been manufactured.

    Do people not watch the news at all?

    I don’t and I still know this is mainstream news.

    NSW Premier has said it and so has QLD – no exit unti there’s a vaccine. It’s what they’re being told to say by their experts, who are now admitting that as soon as they lift the restrictions everyone is just going to immediately get infected. So we’ve been told no lifting the restrictions for: two weeks ago – six months, last week – 18 months, this week – 2022 – or when there’s a vaccine (never).

    It’s complete madness.

  118. Tintarella di Luna says:

    After a 50 year career Kelly finally got something right. If he were smart, he would retire on a high.

    According to the Sunbather Paul Kelly is a devout Catholic (but not a devoted one like Louse Milligan)

  119. Infidel Tiger King says:

    FFS at the very least they could restart dentistry and elective surgery.

    This is a disaster.

  120. The Richmond Football Club will not reinstate Cardinal George Pell in an ambassadorial role …

    It’s time for you to find a new club IT.

    Do you have the cods?

  121. Tintarella di Luna says:

    The Richmond Football Club will not reinstate Cardinal George Pell in an ambassadorial role despite his conviction for child sex abuse being unanimously overturned by the High Court of Australia.
    A spokeswoman confirmed the board’s decision on Thursday, which she said will not be revisited with no further comment to be made

    The Unforgiven.

  122. Tim Neilson says:

    I also spoke to a friend that works for the Tyrant Dan as a lowly worker drone. He tells me that the Tyrant has no intention of lifting any home detention until after a vaccine has been manufactured. I said that could be months or even years and that thousands of businesses will be destroyed.

    My hope is that other states will start easing things up, and the Hunchback will rail and curse and insist that the proles in his fiefdom MUST stay indoors till he decrees otherwise.

    Surely at that point seeing everyone else in Australia happily getting on with their lives, a majority of voters even in CFMEUistan would then realise that he’s utterly unfit to run anything.

    Or is that too optimistic?

  123. Infidel Tiger King says:

    There will be a vaccine for cancer before a corona virus.

    We are never reopening.

  124. ryki says:

    Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?
    PRC moral turpitude forces us to consider the unthinkable.

    They did and it may have been deliberate. It just isn’t for the reason you’re thinking.

    By telling people that this was a “new” virus it was enough to stimulate mass panic and the lockdowns. Who knows? Maybe they even let a large pile of their population suffer just so they could say “see? Why would we do this to ourselves?”

    But deliberate or not the consequences are the same. The virus itself – harmless – but the self-inflicted response has been to destroy our economies. We won’t have a standing army or a police force if we continue down this path. Papua New Guinea could successfully invade us. Let alone China.

  125. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Tinta at 1.31, a comprehensive list.

    Starting at 4am working must have really fired you up!

    If you need a good list, ask a busy woman. 🙂

  126. Infidel Tiger King says:

    The Richmond Football Club will not reinstate Cardinal George Pell in an ambassadorial role …

    The Club is bigger than the current occupants of the good seats.

    It’s a bit like The Church. And they have delivered two recent miracles.

  127. Tintarella di Luna says:

    If you need a good list, ask a busy woman.

    I am listing badly at the moment

  128. Herodotus says:

    Malcolm disappointed that Morrison wasn’t loyal!
    MT has no self-awareness.

  129. thefrollickingmole says:

    hzhousewife
    #3413872, posted on April 16, 2020 at 12:40 pm
    from the OT
    Hubby on the phone to a call centre yesterday, chit-chat revealed he was in Philippines, hubby asked how were things with the covid19 and the bloke burst into tears! His elderly father had been diagnosed with the virus and he himself is the only family breadwinner and worried about losing his job. Bit upsetting. No welfare over there, sink or swim.

    Missus says Vietnam have started installing rice vending machines which issue out a free portion of rice to people, I think there are some other staples as well.
    They are a place which slammed its doors shut as soon as this kicked off and already had a fairly big mask/body coverup culture. The first reasonable sized outbreak they had was workers coming back from China, locked down the area they were in.
    They are in a lockdown of sorts and also fining people out in public without masks on.

    Low numbers, probably more trustworthy figures than China though maybe understated.
    But they were next door to the source and were smart enough to stop the initial infections straight away.

  130. sfw says:

    If this virus had appeared in the 1950’s all that would have been said is that year Australia and the world had a very bad flu season, and that’s it. It be a footnote to the 50’s that’s all.

  131. Tintarella di Luna says:

    And how many bat colonies are nesting in trees in the playgrounds of Australia’s children, defecating their stench all over the place. Hendra and lyssavirus are carried by bats and there has been human transmission and deaths.

    There is no point blaming the Greens, we must blame the local councils and the state governments that enable these Councils that allow these colonies of virus-riddled animals to displace the native birds and animals that are not a danger to human health/.

  132. harrys on the boat says:

    We are never reopening.

    Not with Morrison telling the states he’s picking up the bill. Why the fuck would they? Watch WA announce school term 2 is out. They don’t give a fuck, this has nothing to do with the virus.

  133. Infidel Tiger King says:

    We are sending our kids Day 1 of term 2 regardless of what they say. The police or social services can pick them up if the education department won’t do their fucking job.

  134. harrys on the boat says:

    Right on cue, WA extends its state of emergency. The 3 cases unrelated to WA must have spooked the hysterical slags.

  135. Dr Faustus says:

    I have a suspicion that Xi will be removed along with all the others.

    A big job and complicated – even for despots with unlimited stroke.

    As Xi prepared to take over from Hu Jintao, there was a strategic personnel replacement throughout the whole of China Inc to ensure ‘correct alignment’ with Xi. This process went on for several years spanning the formal transition of power – and stretched way down into the bowels of the economy.

    The Chinese are well aware of what a scruffy popular revolution entails.

  136. H B Bear says:

    Unless Sneakers can come with an example of community transmission shortly the natives will start getting restless.

    Media hyped numbers of cruise ship geriatrics ain’t going to cut it.

  137. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    “”All that aside, however, the truth is that Labor lost the election that the coalition, after the August coup, did not deserve to win.”

    (From Some History post on OT)

    I thought that in a democracy the people always get it right. Obviously Turnbull would have preferred the awful Labor policies than being made aware due to the actual result that no-one and I repeat no-one would die in a ditch for him.

    And btw, it seems that when he first lost the leadership of the Libs he was very downcast and which his family and friends were aware of. Question: is that a literal use of the word “friends”?

  138. twostix says:

    It’s interesting to consider how much automation is coming into play here.

    Thanks to automation, particularly in factories, a family could easily live pretty well on $1500 a fortnight if we didn’t have such ridiculous property prices eating 50% of it.

    Up until the 1970’s thanks to automation in farming half the population easily supported the other half. But then in order to crush wages and destroy the concept of traditional motherhood corporate power conspired with communist unions to push women en-masse into the workforce. Today we end up with the womans entire wage simply disappearing into paying inflated property prices and daycare fees. A net gain of zero for the family economically, and a huge negative socially at all levels.

    We’re seeing right now that having many people at home in the community – even in the current restricted state – instead of teleported to bugman hives 30km away each day is infinitely better than the current situation of 100% of people miserably working fake jobs, suburbs dead and empty, society a hollow husk, just to pay a million dollars each to the four banks to own a home and inflate the governments fake productivity and GDP numbers.

    It’s time to return to normalcy and decency. Local industries, local jobs, affordably homes and families first.

  139. Mr Rusty says:

    Huge drop in immigration. Hooray! Let it fall to ZERO.

    Any party advocating zero immigration, including working holiday and temp working visas, until we are at full employment will win the next election in a landslide.

    Why would we import fruit pickers whilst paying double welfare to people without a job?

    The housing market would actually revert to normal too and the average bloke would be able to afford a house and have a family rather than settle for an overpriced Meriton dogbox.

    Oh wait, that’s fucked it. The Boomers and Greens will definitely not want this.
    Sorry for getting everyone’s hopes up.

  140. Tintarella di Luna says:

    We are sending our kids Day 1 of term 2 regardless of what they say. The police or social services can pick them up if the education department won’t do their fucking job.

    That’s exactly what our young receptionist is doing, she’s spent two weeks at home trying to teach her two children (she left school in year 10) she said I am not a teacher, I don’t get paid what teachers get paid (no she doesn’t) and I am not going to do their job. Good for her. She lives with her parents after breakup with the no-hoper doper, her mum has breast cancer and her dad is also very unwell.

  141. Fisky says:

    The acceleration of automation will also mean less immigration. It turns out we don’t need immigration at all! Who knew??

  142. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Zero immigration until we reach full employment and zero national debt.

  143. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Why would you need immigration when the recipe for every type of food can be found on the internet?

    Weird that we persist with it.

  144. H B Bear says:

    Waffleworth’s failure to top himself is the mark of the man.

    No Potential Greatness.

  145. cohenite says:

    There is no point blaming the Greens, we must blame the local councils and the state governments

    Same thing.

  146. twostix says:

    I thought that in a democracy the people always get it right. Obviously Turnbull would have preferred the awful Labor policies than being made aware due to the actual result that no-one and I repeat no-one would die in a ditch for him.

    The commonwealth stopped being a democracy proper – an expression of the will of the nation – when the institutions of the establishment were brought to bear on an ascendent popular party and destroyed and ultimately imprisoned the leader for running for office.

    Since then it has been internally corrupted by those actions and is rapidly losing the mind and heart of the people. In order to shore up that loss it’s turned to importing millions of people from more increasingly ridiculous alien nations and attempting to woo them into backing it. However the states are picking up the national power and mandate it’s losing.

    Also how do we know the commonwealth is even representative? How many times have they done things like that to smaller parties? How many people would have started a political party or stood for government but got scared off by the idea that they might be imprisoned for a procedural infraction and have the major parties ask their mates in the ATO and government to target them? We can never know what the commwealth would truly look like right now if it hadn’t poisoned the well like that.

  147. H B Bear says:

    The Population Ponzi was only being used by Treasuty to pad out GDP numbers.

    No need to bother now they are in freefall anyway.

  148. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has demanded that China ‘come clean’ following reports that coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory, not as a bioweapon, but as part of bungling experiments to prove that Chinese scientists were superior to Americans in identifying emerging virus threats.

  149. egg_ says:

    ‘A GST increase, coronavirus levy and other big tax changes are likely to be examined by governments when Australia switches it’s focus to paying back hundreds of billions of dollars of debt.

    “People begrudgingly accept them because they can see a need. I think most Australians who still have a decent job would be happy to contribute.”
    Australians have paid temporary gun levies, flood levies and Budget repair levies Dr Oliver said.’

    So there you have it. Let’s listen to academics and analysts who got us in the shit first up to fleece whoever has a job to contribute more to cover the arses of the government clowns. Not sure you can get taxes from businesses who have shuttered. FMD.

    A Medico-induced Depression, Comrade.

  150. egg_ says:

    The Population Ponzi was only being used by Treasuty to pad out GDP numbers.

    Nature ruins their hubris.

  151. harrys on the boat says:

    Media hyped numbers of cruise ship geriatrics ain’t going to cut it.

    Yes they are, and they don’t even need to hype the numbers.

  152. A Medico-induced Depression, Comrade.

    An EXPERT induced depression, comrade.

  153. Steve trickler says:

    This Governor sounds like: [ Insert the PM or Premier of choice ]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7SglDjeOM

  154. Fisky says:

    The population ponzi was the government’s only strategy for avoiding a technical recession. Plus, Australia’s lazy corporates wanted a bigger market without putting in the effort to find more customers overseas. Then there’s the hate-filled globalists who believe we must be fundamentally transformed and decolonised through mass importing foreign voteherds. Waleed Aly was even being groomed as our first postcolonial Prime Minister at one point.

  155. egg_ says:

    bungling experiments to prove that Chinese scientists were superior to Americans in identifying emerging virus threats.

    Long bat craw?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgAG3Vnif8

  156. calli says:

    part of bungling experiments to prove that Chinese scientists were superior to Americans in identifying emerging virus threats.

    I mentioned this as an idea a couple of days ago. It made sense to me, given the terrible need for the Chinese for international “prestige” in scientific endeavours.

    If only they’d stuck to pinching IP and let the adults deal with inventiveness.

  157. ryki says:

    Not sure you can get taxes from businesses who have shuttered.

    Weird. I thought that we could just borrow forever and pay people back with smiles. Isn’t that what Kochie told us? He seems like he knows what he’s talking about.

    The tax should only be levied on the people who believed in the lockdowns. Actually that’s not fair. Those people should be in jail. We should pay for it by confiscating all their property. And, given we won’t have the money to pay for the expense of prisons, we can just throw them all in dungeons and let them eat each other.

  158. calli says:

    Ha! I was thinking about The Craw this morning. Potting up some very rootbound topiary buxus.

    I have my own Craw, and it’s very effective.

  159. calli says:

    Also, remember KRudd doing The Craw in Q&A?

    Good times. 🙂

  160. egg_ says:

    Waleed Aly was even being groomed as our first postcolonial Prime Minister at one point.

    That would be peak stupid – his vanity would be grist to the mill of the likes of Trumble.

  161. Bass Strait says:

    Perhaps a dinner party didn’t cause the Tasmanian North West Regional Hospital to shut down, but this-

    Re The Roald Amundsen cruise ship Medics who didn’t go into quarantine?

    Headlines from The Advocate,
    24 March 2020 “Three Northwest doctors still stranded overseas” and
    30 March 2020 “Burnie doctor finally home, says “mega confusion” at airport caused quarantine breaches”, these articles name Dr. Roopa Mulik, North West Regional Hospital pediatrician who provided the paper with a holiday snap.

  162. Leigh Lowe says:

    H B Bear
    #3413986, posted on April 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm
    Unless Sneakers can come with an example of community transmission shortly the natives will start getting restless.

    Media hyped numbers of cruise ship geriatrics ain’t going to cut it.

    Viktorianistan dropped off the “communidy transmission” stat yesterday.
    It was at 122 and barely moved in the last week.
    Currently at 1,299 cumulative cases (a bullshit stat).
    1,137 recovered and 14 died.
    Net active cases 148. 39 in hospital including 18 in ICU.
    So we have 148 cases, of which, 109 are deemed well enough to sit it out at home.
    How fucking flat do we need to get this curve?

  163. egg_ says:

    The tax should only be levied on the people who believed in the lockdowns.

    Their organs should be harvested to support the aged and infirm, as per their advocacy.

  164. twostix says:

    This is the what western a factory looks like now, the factory that produces Corona beer.

    Six people on shift.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLim5pkfOw

    The same applies to everything: bolts, hinges, processed food, etc. These factories are almost empty of humans, in the same way that cargo ships are.

    We pay chinese to do things by hand because they were cheaper than a machine, in the same way that American slaves were cheaper than machines – until they weren’t.

    Bring the factories back home, automate them and cut out the middle man!

  165. Leigh Lowe says:

    egg_
    #3414017, posted on April 16, 2020 at 2:34 pm
    Waleed Aly was even being groomed as our first postcolonial Prime Minister at one point.

    That would be peak stupid – his vanity would be grist to the mill of the likes of Trumble.

    I am old enough to remember the 1998 Republican referendum, and Eddie Maguire was being touted in some quarters as a potential el Presidente.
    FMD!
    It was probably just Eddie’s PR people but that turned me into an avowed Monarchist overnight.
    We could have got any fucking lunatic who saw himself as above the elected Gummint.

  166. Mark A says:

    If only they’d stuck to pinching IP and let the adults deal with inventiveness.

    Maxwell Schmart, (a la Sigfried) could’ve said it himself.

  167. calli says:

    Bass Strait
    #3414019, posted on April 16, 2020 at 2:37 pm
    Perhaps a dinner party didn’t cause the Tasmanian North West Regional Hospital to shut down, but this-

    Re The Roald Amundsen cruise ship Medics who didn’t go into quarantine?

    Now that would be just perfect from those huffing and puffing gits.

    The timing is very suggestive.

  168. Slim Cognito says:

    I’ve never been to Bologna.
    Is it any good?

    Home of the Ducati motorcycle factory and museum which are both worth a look.

  169. Fisky says:

    Magnificent factory that is, Twostix. No need for immigrants at all!

  170. calli says:

    Things that are difficult to make using robots:

    – footwear and clothing

    …………..

    Not much else.

    Maybe they can keep those.

  171. egg_ says:

    24 March 2020 “Three Northwest doctors still stranded overseas” and
    30 March 2020 “Burnie doctor finally home, says “mega confusion” at airport caused quarantine breaches”, these articles name Dr. Roopa Mulik, North West Regional Hospital pediatrician who provided the paper with a holiday snap.

    Our betters.
    Quarantine/schmaratine – another glass of bubbly, dahling?

  172. calli says:

    On a completely non-virus subject.

    Has anyone else noticed that flyspray no longer kills flies? Have these things mutated or has the formulation become so “safe” that it’s useless?

  173. EvilElvis says:

    Isn’t it amazing that the most WHO and China weary country in the world, Taiwan, is going great guns at beating this with least disruption.

  174. Dr Faustus says:

    Eddie Maguire was being touted in some quarters as a potential el Presidente.

    As was Ziggy, the Bagman of Oakman Park.

  175. Bass Strait says:

    Job creation in Tasmania, former Premier Will Hodgman named as inaugural chairman of the Australian Business Growth Fund.

  176. egg_ says:

    We pay chinese to do things by hand because they were cheaper than a machine, in the same way that American slaves were cheaper than machines

    Money market types should read up on History before slagging the Chunks.
    Capital just sinks to the lowest level, like water.

  177. Leigh Lowe says:

    Has anyone else noticed that flyspray no longer kills flies? Have these things mutated or has the formulation become so “safe” that it’s useless?

    It does if you smack them with the can.

  178. Mark A says:

    calli
    #3414033, posted on April 16, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    On a completely non-virus subject.

    Has anyone else noticed that flyspray no longer kills flies? Have these things mutated or has the formulation become so “safe” that it’s useless?

    I was on about this 3 years ago, in the EU the insect sprays are insect friendly, you virtually have to drown them in the stuff.
    (Some smart a..sses made rude remarks too, along the line of me being s sissy afraid of a cricket.)

    Sooo, the new formula spray finally arrived in OZ as well, marvelous.
    Not.

  179. woolfe says:

    Why don’t we link our immigration program to replacing those who have passed from Who Flu?

  180. vlad says:

    I’ve never been to Bologna.
    Is it any good?

    It has a university of world renown thanks in part to the late Umberto Eco who was a professore there.

  181. egg_ says:

    Has anyone else noticed that flyspray no longer kills flies? Have these things mutated or has the formulation become so “safe” that it’s useless?

    Ditto ‘roach baits and spray, from a previous post.
    Mortein even has different levels of effectiveness in their baits FFS.
    If the neighbours got the Pros in, you inherit their ‘roaches, by default.

  182. Mr Rusty says:

    ‘A GST increase, coronavirus levy and other big tax changes are likely to be examined by governments when Australia switches it’s focus to paying back hundreds of billions of dollars of debt.

    Of course they’re not examining cutting spending are they.

    Abolish the ABC – 10 billion saved, 1 for the ABC itself and 9 for what they cost the economy with their hate-filled, spiteful, divisive, anti-free-market, anti-Christian, anti-Western socialist agenda.

    Abolish all renewable and global warming spending – 50 billion.

    Kiss goodbye to Gonski, Safe Skoolz, Frog subs, yartz funding, sell the NBN, cut pollie and PS Exec pay by 20%, gut the NDIS and hand it back to the States, abolish MDBA, tax Unions, defund all local Government save for roads, rates and rubbish and abolish every quango.
    We’d be back on our feet and running by Christmas.

  183. calli says:

    They’ve finally worked out a way to tax the common cold.

  184. Dr Faustus says:

    Sounds like I might have to buy Miserable Ghost’s bodice-ripper.

    I’m pretty shitted myself, just now: a big glass of Schadenfreude with cloth-ear garnish and a little no-self-awareness umbrella might be quite refreshing.

  185. Mark A:
    My coding skills are woeful. Actually they are non existent.
    I have been trying for years to alter the map and data for “The World at War – Stalingrad.” but no success.
    Are you able to give some advice on using a decompiler on this code:
    ÿÿÿÿ
    ÿ 60th 6n z €? €? €? €? €? @@ €@ @@ €@ à. x1 % ÿÿÿÿ 4 ÿ 244th 6n z €? €? €? €? €? @@ €@ @@ €@ à. ©1
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    Ta.
    (Anyone else who has a clue, I’m also happy to email correspond – ask Doomlord for my address.)

  186. Bruce says:

    @ Tinta:

    ” If you need a good list, ask a busy woman.

    I am listing badly at the moment”

    Hmmm. Counter-flood with a good red?

  187. vlad says:

    Jeff Kennett (having recovered from running himself over) has called for Ferguson CJ and Maxwell P to be sacked. I’d say he has a point.

    There should be some mechanism for sacking purely incompetent judges. Those two cost the taxpayer a small fortune in wasted court time and legal fees for the further appeal. Preferably the High Court should be able to sack them.

    “We allow the appeal 7-0, quash the convictions and hereby sack the State Court of Appeal majority judges.”

  188. Black Ball:

    Nah Zulu, just have the National Cabinet rubber-stamp it. It is rage inducing for sure.

    I have very little knowledge of this National Cabinet organisation.
    Does anyone have a clue of its legal standing, it’s ability to set policy, who funds it?
    It seems to be a very strange bastard of an animal.

  189. Megan says:

    Bologna is on of the very few cities in Italy that I would happily live in. Although I would revisit that knowing Langbroek and her 4 rug rats are in residence.

    Its’s lovely. Great basilica and the portici , covered footpaths, built so ladies did not get their long frocks and pretty shoes wet on their way to Mass. And has a very interesting sculpture of the Rape of the Sabine Women, involving a large horse. Also one of the only cities left with Torre, large towers that the wealthy families could retreat to if under attack.

    We have family there and have regularly visited for long summer holidays with them over the years. It’s pretty much where I learnt to converse in understandable Italian.

  190. Top Ender says:

    Sam Newman has teed off in his fight for Victorians to play golf.

    The larrikin TV host was on the steps of Parliament House on Spring St with his golf bag waiting for Premier Daniel Andrews to ask “why in God’s name can’t Victorians play golf”.

    Golf is currently banned under tough stay at home measures in place to contain the spread of COVID-19.

    The ban has been the subject of anger among keen golfers, with the sport still allowed to be played in other states across the country.

    Newman, 74, posted a video of his protest to his 21,000 Twitter followers and demanded a meeting with Daniel Andrews.

    “You give me a legitimate reason why golfers can’t socially distance, not touch one another, walk around a golf course and obey the strict rules,’’ Newman said.

    “It is nonsense. There’s everyone out on the street, jogging, spitting, vomiting, pissing on everyone. I saw people kicking a football on Olympic Park yesterday. It’s nonsense.”

    Herald-Sun

  191. notafan says:

    GST is collected on behalf of the stated.

    The spending spree has been incurred by the Federal government

    I can’t see how that works.

    But getting over sixties to pay the same income tax as everyone else seems reasonable, in the circumstances.

  192. JC says:

    That sounds great, stix. Lower the corporate tax rate to zero in fact. Lower energy prices and liberalise the policy settings for the labour market. Do all this and they will come.

  193. vlad says:

    From Australia’s most contemptible newspaper – now or ever – without further comment (for now):

    THE AGE

    Morrison should press ahead with virus tracker app

    April 15, 2020 — 7.54pm

    As the number of new COVID-19 cases shows promising signs of falling to single digits, a mobile phone app could play a crucial role in opening the economy without risking a second wave of the pandemic.

    The Age revealed on Tuesday that the federal government is considering asking Australians to download an app developed in Singapore called TraceTogether, which identifies people who have come into contact with someone diagnosed with the disease. Those people can then be asked to test for the disease and, if need be, self-isolate for 14 days to stop it spreading.

    The tracking app, one of several in use across Asia, would provide a back-up for hard-pressed public health officials who now have to do contact tracing by interviewing anyone diagnosed with COVID-19 about what they have done in the previous week. Most infected people are happy to help, but since COVID-19 can be contagious for as long as a week before symptoms show, it can be hard to remember all your potential contacts.

    The app also gives much more detailed information than interviews. Even if you were in a crowded place, it will single out only people close enough to be at risk, reducing the need for a public warning about the location that causes unnecessary anxiety.

    Yet the federal government has hesitated to use mobile phone apps either to trace contacts or enforce quarantine orders. Prime Minister Scott Morrison has previously rejected the use of phone apps that track people’s adherence to quarantine orders as un-Australian.

    Privacy advocates are already fanning fears about a government-run app having so much data about daily movements. On social media they have raised an alarm after the news Google and Apple are developing another contact-tracing app in the US. The fear is these tech giants already control the data of billions of people.
    Australians have accepted a lot of other extraordinary things in the past month and The Age believes Mr Morrison should press ahead. The privacy concerns are serious but they must be balanced against the potential benefits, of which there are many. With unemployment predicted to rise to 10 per cent in the next few months, Australia desperately needs to find ways to ease restrictions on the economy. If we have a state-of-the-art system to trace and stamp out spot fires of infection, it will give us more confidence that we can reopen schools and restaurants.

    Rather than giving in to scaremongering about Big Brother, privacy advocates should look positively at the protections that are needed to make this work. TraceTogether, for instance, sounds fairly safe, although there have been questions about its reliability on some phones. It uses Bluetooth signals to detect phones with the app in your vicinity and then records their identity in encrypted form on your phone. Only if you become infected with COVID-19 will health investigators be allowed access to your phone and extract the data. It stores the data only on your phone, not a government server.

    No system is foolproof, but as long as the data is anonymous to anyone except contact-tracing investigators, the privacy risks should be manageable. Use of the app should be voluntary, unlike in China where you need apps to use the subway and enter certain buildings. The Privacy Commissioner is now looking at what safeguards are needed on an Australian version of the app. With these in place, The Age hopes that the vast majority of people will balance the risks against the huge benefits for the community and then adopt the technology.

  194. vlad says:

    Australians have accepted a lot of other extraordinary things in the past month

    So therefore they should accept more … according to The Age.

    Rather than giving in to scaremongering about Big Brother, privacy advocates should shut the fuck up, according to The Age.

    Fortunately George Orwell didn’t.

  195. Maj says:

    Fisky:

    Huge drop in immigration. Hooray! Let it fall to ZERO.

    Any party advocating zero immigration, including working holiday and temp working visas, until we are at full employment will win the next election in a landslide.

    Why would we import fruit pickers whilst paying double welfare to people without a job?

    The housing market would actually revert to normal too and the average bloke would be able to afford a house and have a family rather than settle for an overpriced Meriton dogbox.

    I welcome the huge drop in immigration, but we need to protect the mums and dads who own property, even if it’s only the family home.

    Millions of Aussies stand to lose if property prices slump, or even just flat lines, due to due our borders being slammed shut.

    The solution is to allow negative geared property investors a 150% of deduction for a period of 5 years. This will put a floor under the property market, helping all property owners, while providing relief to landlords suffering from the government’s mandatory rent reductions and ban on evictions.

    I have written to my Member of Parliament about this proposal. If you care about the value of your home and/or investment properties, you should too.

  196. egg_ says:

    Turns out the best way to get healthcare costs down isn’t a $5 levy but a $2 trillion economy destroyed over a fake crisis. Our hospitals are empty and so are our GP practices.

    Fake crises are good for flushing out the cranks.

  197. Fisky says:

    I welcome the huge drop in immigration, but we need to protect the mums and dads who own property, even if it’s only the family home.

    Millions of Aussies stand to lose if property prices slump, or even just flat lines, due to due our borders being slammed shut.

    The solution is to allow negative geared property investors a 150% of deduction for a period of 5 years. This will put a floor under the property market, helping all property owners, while providing relief to landlords suffering from the government’s mandatory rent reductions and ban on evictions.

    I have written to my Member of Parliament about this proposal. If you care about the value of your home and/or investment properties, you should too.

    The problem is that we held our entire economy hostage to the property market, and this has ruined the home ownership chances of a generation. We not only need to decouple from China, but also from the property ponzi model.

  198. johanna says:

    calli, I gave up using fly spray years ago.

    I buy the Mortein crawling insect spray with the long plastic extension tube on the nozzle. A tiny squirt on the fly and it’s all over. Less waste that way, less smell too. Also good for spiders. For cockroaches, not so much.

    As I have said before, the best way to kill cockroaches is to squirt them with Spray n Wipe or similar – give them a good drenching. It gets in their breathing holes and they die within about a minute – plus there is no mess afterwards.

  199. Bruce says:

    Has anyone else noticed that flyspray no longer kills flies? Have these things mutated or has the formulation become so “safe” that it’s useless?

    Crack open the Zippo just under the stream of spray. Choose your back-stop carefully; synthetic carpets and curtains are NOT on the safe list for this activity, as number one son discovered twenty years ago.

    Then, the safety-nazis banned the sale of Naphthalene flakes that we all used for decades to keep the bugs from eating the woolen items in the wardrobe. Now all you can buy are ineffectual “balls in a cage” things that the bugs seem to actually enjoy.

    I have a fair idea what motivated the ban, but it was wrong in so many ways. Camphor is a reasonable substitute, apart from the cost and erratic availability.

    But, it’s “mind over matter”:

    They don’t mind and real people don’t matter.

    The “supermarket level” weedkillers are not too flash either, containing the much feared “Glyphosate’ or not.

  200. egg_ says:

    National Cabinet of Australia

    Current membership
    Name Office held In office since Party

    Scott Morrison MP Prime Minister of Australia 24 August 2018 Liberal
    Gladys Berejiklian MP Premier of New South Wales 23 January 2017 Liberal
    Daniel Andrews MP Premier of Victoria 4 December 2014 Labor
    Annastacia Palaszczuk MP Premier of Queensland 14 February 2015 Labor
    Mark McGowan MLA Premier of Western Australia 17 March 2017 Labor
    Steven Marshall MP Premier of South Australia 19 March 2018 Liberal
    Peter Gutwein MHA Premier of Tasmania 20 January 2020 Liberal
    Andrew Barr MLA Chief Minister of the Australian Capital Territory 11 December 2014 Labor
    Michael Gunner MLA Chief Minister of the Northern Territory 31 August 2016 Labor

  201. Struth says:

    Paraphrased (but not by much):

    – 30% think things are pretty fantastic;
    – Another 40% think things are OK;
    – About 40% think everyone else is a bit shit.

    Time for a pillow over the nation’s face.

    It’s an ABC article FFS.
    The mob they used is run by an ex journalist, could even be an ABC journalist and advertised that they are politically active.

  202. Hay Stockard says:

    Mr. Rusty,
    A good start. I like the cut of your jib. Arrrr.

  203. notafan says:

    I agree, if everyone’s property value drops by the same percentage those who only own their primary residence are not really any worse off, even if they are under water.

    Investors, not so much, but then there is supposed to be risk when you invest.

    No one is suggesting tax relief for those holding shares that have taken a bath.

  204. egg_ says:

    National COVID-19 Coordination Commission

    The National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) is a strategic advisory body for the national response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by the Australian Government.[1][2] The NCCC was established on the 25 March 2020 by Prime Minister Scott Morrison to provide advice on public–private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Australia.[3][4]

    Position Office holder Background
    Chair Neville Power Former CEO of Fortescue Metals Group
    Deputy Chair David Thodey AO Chair of the CSIRO and former CEO of Telstra
    Commissioner Greg Combet AM Former Australian Labor Party Minister for Industry and Innovation
    Commissioner Jane Halton AO PSM Former Secretary of the Department of Finance and the Department of Health, Chair of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations[6]
    Commissioner Paul Little Former Managing Director of Toll Group
    Commissioner Catherine Tanna Managing Director of EnergyAustralia
    Commissioner Philip Gaetjens Secretary of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
    Commissioner Mike Pezzullo Secretary of the Department of Home Affairs

  205. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Over ‘60s do pay the same income tax as every other age group or every other demographic – it’s based on tax rates applied to taxable income, outside of superannuation. Over ‘60s don’t pay tax on superannuation income if they’ve permanently retired because under the current tax law arrangements they paid tax on contributions and earnings during the accumulation phase, like every other superannuation member.

  206. The larrikin TV host was on the steps of Parliament House on Spring St with his golf bag waiting for Premier Daniel Andrews to ask “why in God’s name can’t Victorians play golf”.

    dispatch hit squad to steps of parliament house immediately!
    Use of lethal force has been authorized.

  207. Struth says:

    With the left, when you think there is a “conspiracy” it always surprising you by being worse than you thought.

    Hospitals are paid more to diagnose Coronavirus in the States.
    FMD.
    15% more per patient.

  208. Arky says:

    I agree, if everyone’s property value drops by the same percentage those who only own their primary residence are not really any worse off, even if they are under water.

    ..
    At some point banks sell the place out from under you if you don’t have the equity or a job.
    A lot of people might be about to lose both.

  209. Megan says:

    Tennis is out as well, and if you can play golf then four people on a tennis court should be permitted in my opinion. It’s less busy than my local parks are at the moment.

    It’s particularly frustrating for me as I have worked really hard for the last four years to retain my mobility after developing PMR and daily social tennis was a big part of stopping my shoulder joints from seizing up. I’m already feeling the effects of three weeks without it.

    Go Sam! If you get a win for golfers can tennis be far behind?

  210. Crossie says:

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3413970, posted on April 16, 2020 at 1:46 pm
    There will be a vaccine for cancer before a corona virus.

    We are never reopening.

    A penal colony again but this time with masters in China.

  211. Hay Stockard says:

    Vlad,
    Norway had Quisling. The Age seems to be after Australia’s crown. It will be a hard fought competition.

  212. Struth says:

    We are never reopening.

    We are already defeated?

  213. Megan says:

    Rather than giving in to scaremongering about Big Brother, privacy advocates should shut the fuck up, according to The Age.

    The same newspaper that screamed blue murder at suggestions of a national ID card? That The Age?

  214. liliana says:

    Why don’t we link our immigration program to replacing those who have passed from Who Flu?

    Brilliant idea.
    63 – Sounds about the right number.

  215. P says:

    If this virus had appeared in the 1950’s all that would have been said is that year Australia and the world had a very bad flu season, and that’s it. It be a footnote to the 50’s that’s all.

    It was late in 1957 – The Asian Flu. I was sick for a month with it and had to have my throat cauterized because it kept getting reinfected. I had just been transferred to a new branch of the bank and I didn’t have a good start.

    Next one was 1968 – The Hong Kong Flu
    I had my father in law from Holland come to stay for the month with us and it cost a lot in doctor and specialist fees. He later recovered from his deafness. I was pregnant at the time and fortunately didn’t get it. My husband and toddler also did not succumb.

    My mum (born 1914) used to tell how she would travel on the tram in Newcastle with a mask on.
    She also told us of the man with the horse and cart who would come by daily calling “throw out the dead”.
    That was the 1918/9 Spanish Flu.

    These three were pandemics of the twentieth century.

  216. Megan says:

    They’ve finally worked out a way to tax the common cold.

    They were already taxing breathing thanks to the Carbon Price That’s Not Really A Tax.

  217. C.L. says:

    Re Sheridan’s piece, mmm, it’s OK.

    Four men, Greg Craven, Frank Brennan, Gerard Henderson and Andrew Bolt, consistently questioned whether the evidence against Pell could sustain a conviction.

    The most consistent and intellectually substantive critics were Franklin/Windschuttle.

    Let’s get the history right, hey Greg.

  218. lotocoti says:

    Why would they do this?

    In the words of that pre-chicom-inscrutably-celestial-bat-eating- chunk-dry-cleaner Cao Cao:
    I’d rather betray the world than let the world betray me.

  219. egg_ says:

    ‘Broadcaster Kate Langbroek has adopted aggressive tactics after a heated run in with Italian police during the lockdown in Bologna.

    Juxtaposed to Hamish Blake’s crap lockdown lectures on Nein.
    “A mate on Facebook who did two months of Chemistry” probably has a higher aptitude than a know it all radio DJ, Comrade.

  220. twostix says:

    The same newspaper that screamed blue murder at suggestions of a national ID card? That The Age?

    The Age represents the establishment class now. They are the powerful.

    Juxtapose what the old establishment tried to do (national id card) vs what this one does (destroys the country, imprisons you in your home, them makes you wear an ankle bracelet to go in public).

    They are what what they accuse you of, they do what they accuse you of wanting to do.

    Now think of all the things they’ve accused their enemies of over the last decade.

  221. egg_ says:

    Rather than giving in to scaremongering about Big Brother, privacy advocates should shut the fuck up, according to The Age.

    Anne Davies from The Guardian was concerned about the app on Teh Dumb yesterday.

  222. Crossie says:

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3413980, posted on April 16, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    And how many bat colonies are nesting in trees in the playgrounds of Australia’s children, defecating their stench all over the place. Hendra and lyssavirus are carried by bats and there has been human transmission and deaths.

    There is no point blaming the Greens, we must blame the local councils and the state governments that enable these Councils that allow these colonies of virus-riddled animals to displace the native birds and animals that are not a danger to human health

    If I’m outside at twilight I notice a constant flight of large groups of the giant bats flying from east to west. This goes on for about half an hour so my guess would be that thousands of bats make the round trip every night. I don’t know what is their ultimate destination but quite a few often hang around our area depending on what flowers or fruits are in season. This pattern has developed only in the last five years which could indicate they have either been driven out of a previous habitat or they have multiplied to such an extent that the bats are now in plague numbers.

  223. Crossie says:

    The Age represents the establishment class now. They are the powerful.

    It and the SMH have always been the establishment class newspapers. SMH may be in tabloid format at present but it is still beloved by the same class.

  224. Farmer Gez says:

    Four more weeks of lockdown.
    ScoMo, not content with breaking the economies legs, he now smashes it’s head in with a brick.

  225. Crossie says:

    As Xi prepared to take over from Hu Jintao, there was a strategic personnel replacement throughout the whole of China Inc to ensure ‘correct alignment’ with Xi. This process went on for several years spanning the formal transition of power – and stretched way down into the bowels of the economy.

    The Chinese are well aware of what a scruffy popular revolution entails.

    Once it becomes obvious that Chinese exports will suffer for this bungle they will get rid of him and pretend that they have reformed.

  226. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Nota at 3:36pm.

    Read your link – it’s referring to what seem to be quite modest benefits.

    You may be eligible for a tax offset if your circumstances meet the criteria for the following categories:
    Seniors and pensioners tax offset
    Low income and low and middle income tax offsets
    Total net medical expenses for disability aids, attendant care or aged care tax offset
    Australian superannuation income stream tax offset

    While the Govt will look everywhere for cuts to spending and tax increases to deal with this self-inflicted financial mess, I’d be surprised if they decided to reduce or remove those benefits. I could be wrong, of course, but I’d be surprised, given the nature of that expenditure.

  227. Top Ender says:

    Former Hey Dad! actor and convicted child sex offender Robert Hughes will remain behind bars for at least another year after the NSW state parole board rejected the p edophile’s latest bid for freedom.

    Hughes had appealed the parole authority’s refusal to automatically review his application for parole after the board in March said Hughes posed an “unacceptable risk” and could flee to the UK if granted parole.

    The SPA on Thursday dismissed the p edophile’s appeal and refused to grant him a review hearing.

    In March, the parole authority was told Hughes had suddenly withdrawn his application to be transferred to a UK prison, which authorities had approved, and had also renounced his Australian citizenship.

    In a statement, a spokeswoman for the parole authority said Hughes would undermine “community safety” if he was deported to the UK.

    “As such, if released to parole, Hughes would be immediately deported to the UK where he would not be supervised in the community or compelled to comply with any parole conditions.”

    NSW and the UK do not have a reciprocal arrangement for parolees, only prisoners.

    Oz

  228. Geriatric Mayfly says:

    Jeff Kennett (having recovered from running himself over) has called for Ferguson CJ and Maxwell P to be sacked. I’d say he has a point. There should be some mechanism for sacking purely incompetent judges.

    Can any one recall the total number of pages scribbled out by these two, in contrast to the voluminous dissection by Weinberg? I seem to remember the discrepancy was almost embarrassing for the two worthies.

  229. Tim Neilson says:

    This pattern has developed only in the last five years which could indicate they have either been driven out of a previous habitat or they have multiplied to such an extent that the bats are now in plague numbers.

    If you’re in Melbourne they may be the ones which used to fly regularly between the Botanic Gardens and Studley Park, pausing in Abbotsford to deposit a few megatonnes of urine and faeces on my car.

  230. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “The most consistent and intellectually substantive critics were Franklin/Windschuttle.”

    Yep…..Quadrant’s articles were masterful.

  231. min says:

    Bologna has fantastic food market Neptune fountain , torre and an armed guard outside the cathedral after an attack because there is a painting depicting a certain religious leader in hell . Believe it was painted when followers were creating havoc in Venice.

  232. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    This goes on for about half an hour so my guess would be that thousands of bats make the round trip every night

    Crossie, I seem to remember reading about a scientific count a few years back to estimate the numbers of bats because of an assumption about endangered/at risk species. The count was stopped prematurely IIRC because there results showed there were so many of them. But still the endangered/at risk assumption remains.

  233. calli says:

    Thousands fly over my place at twilight. They are as endangered as cockroaches.

  234. Siltstone says:

    “The most consistent and intellectually substantive critics were Franklin/Windschuttle.”
    Yep…..Quadrant’s articles were masterful.

    +100

  235. Top Ender:

    How does the government know what the COVID-19 situation will look like in, say, mid June?
    The purchase of personal fireworks can easily be carried out with appropriate social distancing at shopfronts who sell them.
    Also, too, they can be set off with appropriate social distancing.

    TE, the issue of compromising with government is any agreement you finish up with is your final position. The governments position is that this is the start point of their next demands.
    The Citizen has the right to tell the bureaucracy to piss off when its demands become arrogant.

  236. egg_ says:

    No doubt the ponzi will quadruple the next intake.

    Nothing is more certain from our Ruling Class than abject contradiction.

    Are all of the 70,000? self isolating Chunk students back, yet?

  237. Maj says:

    notafan:

    I agree, if everyone’s property value drops by the same percentage those who only own their primary residence are not really any worse off, even if they are under water.

    In that scenario, all of us suffer from the absence of the “wealth effect” from buoyant property prices.

    And that’s not even going as far as Arky’s scenario in which the banks foreclose on all the people who were queuing up outside Centrelink.

    When the moratoriums expire in six months time property prices need to be at least where they were in early March otherwise there will be a (proverbial) bloodbath for property owners, which is why something like a 5 year extension of negative gearing needs to be in place to support property values.

    Investors, not so much, but then there is supposed to be risk when you invest.

    No one is suggesting tax relief for those holding shares that have taken a bath.

    Share aren’t part of the “Australian Dream”. We were told all our lives property isn’t like other investments. It’s safe. It’s bricks and mortar. It doubles in value every 7 to 10 years.

    If we were lied to, someone will have to pay. Trust in government, in financial advice, in everyone and everything will be shattered. There will be anarchy.

  238. Dr Faustus says:

    Once it becomes obvious that Chinese exports will suffer for this bungle they will get rid of him and pretend that they have reformed.

    Possibly.
    Tragic accident, then.
    Followed by gasps of surprise as the previously undetectable Xi-ist policy failures are discovered.

    But not marched out of the office into the back of a black van.
    Denunciations and spittle-flecked show trials are so 1970’s.

  239. notafan says:

    I too love Bologna.

    The police were guarding the cathedral first time I visited because it had been invaded by left wing protesters over something that had zero to do with the church.

    Now there is airport style security screening inside the main entrance.

    I don’t know why Langbroek and her family didn’t decamp when Italy first started to get difficult.

    Not so fun in a small apartment when you can’t go out whenever you want.

    What did she expect?

  240. Top Ender says:

    The trouble with fireworks in the NT, Winston, is that there is a vocal group of people who complain about it every year. They will now sound off supporting the government.

    Complaints include:
    – pet concerns
    – people letting them off (illegally) after 1 July
    – injuries done to people – usually idiots self-damaging.

    Comments under the NT News article are about 50/50 so far.

  241. notafan says:

    We were told no such thing.

    If you were then name names.

    Investment in property deserves no more government protection than any class of assets.

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