Dan Andrews worse than Joan Kirner

Living in Victoria has its interesting parts, but possibly none is more enthralling than the certainty that a Labor Government will make a mess of everything it does. Watching the building of the new train line from nowhere to nowhere with its billion dollar station at The Shrine of Memorial, where no one ever goes except once a year, and even then most who show up either walk or march. Its construction has more or less ground to a halt and every time I drive down St Kilda Road I am reminded of what else Labor has done. These include the other billion or two spent on stopping a freeway being built that had been commissioned by the previous Liberal government; another billion or so spent on the desalination plant that has never produced a pint of water for anyone; or the Miki ticketing system on our trains and trams that again cost a billion but which could have been bought off the shelf, either from London or Hong Kong. Now there is this in the morning papers: Victoria to borrow $24.5bn emergency loan.

Let’s face it. Daniel Andrews is the worst political leader, the most economically illiterate Premier, we may have ever had in Victoria and I lived through the days of Joan Kirner. When the place goes bankrupt, as it must, we will relive the 1890s collapse and then some. This is what he is apparently going to do:

Victorian Treasurer Tim Pallas said $10bn of the emergency fund would be spent in 2019-20, with the remaining additional $14.5bn set aside as a “Treasurer’s advance” for 2020-21.

“The Treasurer’s advance will be a process that will enable the government, should it need to [ha ha ha], to draw upon additional funds for the purposes of dealing with … the additional and continuing demands on our health system, but also the additional effort that government will have to put in place for the purposes of generating greater economic activity, and … to make provision for those in the community who are doing it tough and need a government that is committed to assisting them to see this event through,” Mr Pallas said.

State borrowings were already forecast to reach $47bn next financial year and $55bn by 2023, without accounting for cost blowouts on major projects [an absolute certain with these people at the helm], after the government opted to borrow an extra $25.6bn over ten years ahead of the 2018 election to fund infrastructure.

The Treasurer said the $24.5bn would be sought in addition to $35.9bn which the government had calculated as being required to see it through to the postponed May budget, which is now due to be handed down before the end of the year.

I know with modern economic theory at such a low grade level this will be impossible to understand, but this is crucial. To get the economy up and running there is no stimulus needed. No additional money needs to be spent. Just take off the restrictions on economic activity and within a year no one will notice a thing, except those entrepreneurs whose businesses have been ruined, or those workers who never get back to work for extended periods of time, or the many landlords who have lost their properties or quite a few others whose livelihoods have been damaged. From a macroeconomic perspective, GDP, after having dipped will turn up and then on we will go. Nothing will need to be done since the market will just restore things all by itself. Dan would not know that, nor would he understand that.

My hope is, however, that our Federal Treasurer will. He should talk to Peter Costello about how a market economy works if he cannot find anyone in Treasury to do it. That, unfortunately, is a real possibility.

THINGS ARE WORSE THAN I THOUGHT: Getting to the paper last thing at night does have it’s advantages since it postpones some of the bad news. I have just run across this: Coronavirus: Bridges and roads hailed as the path to recovery.

The construction sector has been one of the few areas of the economy left relatively unscathed by social isolation restrictions. State regulations have been eased to allow builders to spread shift hours and help workers maintain social-distancing requirements while minimising delays.

“I want to see more roads built, more bridges built, more roads fixed,” the Prime Minister said on Thursday. “I want to see those things done now because they can be done in a COVID economy.”

I ought to have expected it but you have to live in hope. They do seem to get it in other places: Schools and shops take first steps of Angela Merkel plan. And then there’s this: Italy’s firms shake lockdown using shortcut in coronavirus law.

No mention in either of any stimulus.

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53 Responses to Dan Andrews worse than Joan Kirner

  1. zyconoclast

    Let’s face it. Daniel Andrews is the worst political leader, the most economically illiterate Premier, we may have ever had in Victoria and I lived through the days of Joan Kirner. When the place goes bankrupt, as it must, we will relive the 1890s collapse and then some. This is what he is apparently going to do:

    What does that say about Victoriastanis?

  2. NoFixedAddress

    Steve

    It may seem counter intuitive but we need more States within States.

    Let those States do their own thing.

    The State of Melbourne is killing the rest of Victoria.

  3. egg_

    What does that say about Victoriastanis?

    The Prison b1tches of Oz, who come back for more.

  4. NoFixedAddress

    zyconoclast
    #3416624, posted on April 18, 2020 at 12:59 am

    What does that say about Victoriastanis?

    What choices do they have?

    What, limp dick liberals or communist labor corruptocrats with the green banshees and nationals pansies!

    Not to mention fkn business and gubmint bureaucrats.

    I’m actually sick of normals copping the blame for the filth.

  5. egg_

    From previous, other States dig up sh1t and do sh1t whilst the cardigan “Bankers” State invests.
    Investments now turning to sh1te.

  6. NoFixedAddress

    I wonder what it costs the CCP to control Victoria?

    Maybe Dan the Death Man can sell off the dams to the CCP.

  7. NoFixedAddress

    Maybe Death Head Dan can sell off the coal fields of the Yallourn Valley to the CCP.

    The filth are not going to let Victorians use it.

  8. NoFixedAddress

    egg_
    #3416635, posted on April 18, 2020 at 1:37 am

    From previous, other States dig up sh1t and do sh1t whilst the cardigan “Bankers” State invests.
    Investments now turning to sh1te.

    egg_

    I’m a bit uncertain of your meaning.

    Would you mind expanding your thought please?

  9. NoFixedAddress

    I dream of the day when every act and regulation of every Australian Parliament is burnt on the steps of each and every parliamentary building and the smoke reaches to the heavens.

  10. Petros

    From whom did they borrow the money? What idiot would lend to them? The cretinous Liberals will bend over backwards to pay it back quickly anyway, and be hated for the austerity, so maybe it doesn’t matter.

  11. Entropy

    Demands of our health system?

    No elective surgery, injuries waaay down, casual nurses laid off and wards empty. That is our current situation.

  12. sfw

    The Vic political situation is just as much the fault of the Vic Libs, ever since Kennett they have morphed into a permanent opposition with policies barely different than Labor. When they unexpectedly won a recent election, Ballieu and his talent less crew had no idea of what to do, consequently (with Napthines help) lost the next election. Why vote for faux Labor when you can have the real thing?

    Until the Vic Libs are cleaned out and replaced by people who have policies and understand economics things will remain the same. History repeats, it took Cain and Kirner to get Kennett elected and it will take state ruin to get a new opposition. It’s taking longer this time because Bracks and Brumby concentrated on social and legal change and didn’t waste too much money or raise taxes too much.

  13. sfw

    It also doesn’t help that huge numbers of migrants have settled in Vic in the last 20 years, many are just welfare sponges and vote for where the money is.

  14. iamok

    C F M E U Payola for mates and favours.

  15. nfw

    The “works” are not about providing better services to the populace, it’s about feeding the union machine which controls Labor and ensuring donations form construction companies. As ever, for socialists it’s about ripping everybody off to feed their own bank accounts and power.

  16. H B Bear

    Democracy. Good and hard.

    The Hunchback was returned with an increased majority while the Red Shirts were publicly refusing to cooperate with what passes as a police force.

    Victoriastanis deserve this and worse.

  17. Megan

    My observation is that construction has continued while everyone else has had to stay home or has been laid off or lost their jobs. But ok, let’s borrow a shed load more money and give it to the very same group who have lost the least. A painful reckoning for dumb Victorians cannot be far away.

  18. Perfidious Albino

    From what I observe (outside looking in) around various construction sites in Mel there is no meaningful ‘social distancing’ occurring either on site nor when they stop for smoko. I assume CFMEU members must be immune. Tailgunner can likely provide an insiders view?

  19. yarpos

    Egg seems to think being a quarry for the world is the future. If he cared to look were most of the things were or are actually produced Australia (you know that stupid valu added stuff) he/she might finf that very little came out of the quarry States.

  20. duncanm

    Federation is broken.

    States should be left to sink or swim – gather your own taxes, manage your own finances. GST should not pass through the feds to be apportioned to the mendicant states.

  21. yarpos

    “….with its billion dollar station at The Shrine of Memorial, ” Steve clearly hasnt noticed the apartment density along St Kilda Rd and into Sth Melb, or the tram interchange, or that the station really isnt at the Memorial its just called that as its nearby. Sorry that your drive is inconvenient though, it must be terribly stressful.

    You also might want to fact check your desal statements.

    While no fan of Gruppenfuhrer Andrews, we can at least keep the tirades realistic and factual.

  22. Robber Baron

    It is going according to plan Steve.

  23. nb

    “Just take off the restrictions on economic activity…
    Dan would not know that, nor would he understand that.”
    Weird that a population wants its activities monitored, regulated, strangled to the point of termination.
    It is obvious why a socialist would want to strangle free economic activity – to help usher in the proven nirvana of socialism. Does regulation capture explain the other side?

  24. candy

    Construction seems untouched up here in Brisbane in my neck of the woods.
    What is the PM talking about?

    It’s a virus that thrives and finds it host in the older sector/already ill, and through close contact/lack of correct hygiene.

    Strong young chaps in the sunshine would seem at minimal risk.

  25. Delta

    Dan Andrews worse than Joan Kirner

    Hmmm that’s saying a lot particularly as Kirner had some really nasty and catastrophic “accomplishments” to her name and her legacy continues:

    One example: Joan Kirner was the first minister and early in 1985 she fired Ron Grose, a forester with an internationally distinguished reputation, who had been chief of the Forests Commission. She also fired or retrenched the people who had served in the top three layers of the Forests Commission. She appointed as head of the new department Tony Edison, an unknown figure from the UK, who was outspoken in his hostility to foresters and forestry, and he in turn appointed hardline greens as senior officials in the department. From that day to this the department, now officially the Department of Sustainability and Environment but known throughout rural Victoria as the Department of Scorched Earth, has been completely dysfunctional.

    Is there any hope for Victoria?

  26. Roger

    Let’s face it. Daniel Andrews is the worst political leader, the most economically illiterate Premier, we may have ever had in Victoria…

    Voted in with an increased majority at your last election.

    You’ve passed the Tocquevillean point of no return for a democracy.

  27. Cassie of Sydney

    “Is there any hope for Victoria”

    I doubt it…I think that Victoria has passed the point of no return. It is fast turning into our California. Having said that, apart from Steve and other Victorians who comment here on the Cat, I can’t say that I feel very sorry for Victorians…many of whom voted overwhelmingly for these Marxists in the last state election…less than two years ago. But I shouldn’t be too hard on Victorians……I will also add that a lot of the fault lies with the soporific, supine, spineless, cretinous and very vacuous Victorian Liberals….particularly the Liberals under Matthew Guy who, in 2018, went up against Dan the Stalinist and couldn’t make a dent, precisely because they were just Stalinist lite themselves and that is what happens when you have a cowardly, supine and craven opposition…you will be trounced and trounced and trounced. You reap what you sow.

  28. notafan

    Victoria has been overrun by gimmegrants.

    It’s not surprising Labor reigns supreme.

    And yes the very forgettable Matthew Guy.

  29. HT

    Dan’s response to Sam Newman’s “protest” was along the lines of “golfing will kill Victorians” and to requests to allow fishing was “Victorians will die”. His capacity to make good decisions is compromised by his obvious hysteria. We’re in for hard times ahead because our so called leadership have less cognitive and emotional control than my three year old granddaughter.

  30. HT

    #Notafan. Isn’t it O’Brien? I’m not sure, and therein lies the problem, we’re engaged in politics and even we’re not sure…

  31. Tony

    I’m shitting bricks that the State Revenue Office will go berserk at the next land tax assessment. I’ve already been socking away funds in anticipation of an Andrews mugging.

  32. Tony

    About Viktoria in general. The Split enabled the conservatives to remain in power up until 1982, but since then the conservatives have been in power for 11 out of 38 years. Since 1999 the conservative opposition have been operating in the shadow of Kennett’s cuts, which has enabled Labor to own and supercharge the Whinge Industry, and which gives them a readimade army of professional malcontents waiting to pounce on any conservative initiative. Also, over those 21 years the federal coalition has been in power for 15 years, which has allowed Viktoria to more comfortably vote for Labor. It’s no surprise Bailleau won in 2010 when Labor was a shambles in Canberra.
    What goes around, runs aground, tho. Kennett was elected on the back of a Labor financial fiasco, so the state conservatives it will probably be on the back of another, bigger, Labor financial fiasco.

  33. PB

    I think even Andrews has some way to go before he gets as bad as Kirner. I know he’ll give it his best but Kirner set the bar awfully high in the awful stakes.

  34. PB

    “Voted in with an increased majority at your last election.”

    The vibrants realized they can vote themselves the contents of the Treasury.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “Tony
    #3416924, posted on April 18, 2020 at 10:37 am”

    I think that is a very good analysis of Victoria and its politics….however it didn’t help having those two lacklustre and spineless “Liberals”….Bailleau and Napthine (I think you would agree that Ted should be called “Ted the Soporific”) govern Victoria for four years on a do nothing basis….they refused to take on Dan the Stalinist….which comes back to my earlier point above…you need Liberals, whether in power or in opposition, to stand for something.

  36. If we could ever find some state conservatives.

    Other than east west link they seem to have been all me too me too on useless boondoggle policy, for example.

  37. sabena

    Steve does not mention the corruption of the system of policing and the justice system generally.Evev Kirner did not go that far(even though she was probably capable of it).

  38. Ed Case

    From what I observe (outside looking in) around various construction sites in Mel there is no meaningful ‘social distancing’ occurring either on site nor when they stop for smoko. I assume CFMEU members must be immune. Tailgunner can likely provide an insiders view?

    Anything over 6 stories in Qld requires an Alimac hoist to move men up and down the outside of the building.
    Even a large hoist can only accommodate 2 workers plus the driver obeying Social Distancing rules but no site could be run efficiently that way.

  39. Tim Neilson

    You also might want to fact check your desal statements.

    I believe that Labor spent $50 million of taxpayers’ funds on totally unnecessary desal water, just as a PR stunt to foil the criticism that the plant had never been used.

    Has it ever been needed?

  40. I thought we’d had decent rain of late but if you don’t build new dams and keep packing in 200,000 extra people every year you can justify your boondoggle.

    we are about to spend bigly on desal water again.

  41. Robbo

    Comparisons are often odious so it should be remembered that Kirner, although no star, was a victim of the dreadful mess that was created by the incompetent John Cain and his appalling Treasurer Rob Jolly. Kirner inherited that shambles and was totally out of her depth in dealing with it. Under her leadership the Victorian Government was borrowing money to pay the interest on previous borrowings. Andrews could well turn out to be as bad, or even worse, and the longer he remains in government the surer it will be that Victoria will once again become the economic basket case of Australia. The sad thing for the State is that we do not have a ready to go Opposition like we had in 1992. The collection of seat warmers and incompetents that make up the Opposition in the Victorian Parliament are an embarrassment to the once great Liberal Party and the never all that good National Party. There needs to be a clean out of these failures and them being replaced by individuals who actually have some capacity to formulate decent policies and take the fight up to Andrews and the wackos he leads. Given the lost opportunities over recent years by the Liberal Party I have no faith in them doing what is necessary. They will automatically re-endorse the ineffective clowns that are sitting around doing nothing and watch them enjoying the fruits of opposition for another 4 years. Looking at how the Liberal Party in Victoria is doing things is akin to being on death watch in a prison.

  42. Peter S

    Steve,

    A small correction. The desal plant has actually produce a very large number of pints of water. When I was there late last year it was running flat out to deliver a large government order.

  43. H B Bear

    It will be interesting to see how NSW and Victoriastan go with the population ponzi turned off.

  44. vlad

    You’ve passed the Tocquevillean point of no return for a democracy.

    Young people move here from other states because they like the extreme left-wing policies. So we’ve become an electoral black hole. There’s no way back – until the whole thing collapses a la Atlas Shrugged.

  45. Hay Stockard

    I remember going to Gippsland just after Kennett was elected. It was if a great weight had been lifted from everyone. Even the public servants were happy.
    I also remember a pre Federation Bulletin cartoon showing Victoria as a freeloader.
    Ned Kelly was amVictoriqn.
    History repeats itself.

  46. Tim Neilson

    A small correction. The desal plant has actually produce a very large number of pints of water. When I was there late last year it was running flat out to deliver a large government order.

    Still invites the question – needed for water, or needed for propaganda?

    Though I suspect nota is right – the population ponzi and lack of development of dams have probably led us to this point.

  47. Lee

    Daniel Andrews even named a new hospital after Joan Kirner, in defiance of all political convention in Victoria.

    ’nuff said.

  48. Old Lefty

    The political suborning of the justice system began in a big way with Rob Hulls’ appointment as AG in 1999 and has been turbocharged under Andrews. Not even Cain and Kirner were that bad – though John Cain III has been central to the process.

  49. egg_

    Egg seems to think being a quarry for the world is the future. If he cared to look were most of the things were or are actually produced Australia (you know that stupid valu added stuff) he/she might finf that very little came out of the quarry States.

    You missed “and other sh1t”, retard.
    VIC is a pariah State and Qld Cats blame VIC refugees for voting Socialist up there.

  50. egg_

    It will be interesting to see how NSW and Victoriastan go with the population ponzi turned off.

    VIC turds migrate up here for work.

  51. ArthurB

    Viktoria under the Lenin of Spring Street is likely to finish up like California, which used to be firmly Republican, producing presidents such as Nixon and Reagan. Over the past forty years there has been a massive influx of Hispanics, many of them illegal immigrants, who mostly vote Democrat. The result has been that California now belongs to the Democrats, and whites are fleeing to other states. There is now widespread poverty, with parts of the state resembling a failed Third World country, in San Francisco property prices are so high that people are living in the streets.

    Another few years under Dan could see the People’s Republic that he rules turn into a Third World sh1thole.

  52. Squirrel

    It’s a close run thing (Sydney and parts of Qld being such strong contenders), but Melbourne looks very much like the epicentre of the debt-funded ponzification of Straya – a massive bubble of unsustainable consumer spending and asset price speculation.

    Foreign debt-funded “bridges and roads” is very similar to what happened here in the (19)20s – and we know how that ended.

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