Open Forum: April 18, 2020

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  1. feelthebern

    Good points Cassie.
    It looks like obesity is almost the biggest factor if you look at US data.
    But yes, there definitely needs to be a couple of factors in your column before you have anything to worry about.

  2. If y0u are are old (choose what age that is) &/or obese & get it, you’re cooked.
    Based on this, the lockdowns & shutting down the economy should be viewed as idiotic decisions.

    Unless you’re “old (choose what age that is) &/or obese”.
    Or not.
    In other words – “Stuff you jack, I’m alright”.
    Now that’s a really strong expression of Australian values – not.

  3. MemoryFault

    Good morning Ellie.
    4 out of 36.

  4. Cardimona

    OK, at long last, there’s movement at the station – https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

  5. feelthebern


    In other words – “Stuff you jack, I’m alright”.
    Now that’s a really strong expression of Australian values – not.

    Old pricks like you can choose to go out.
    Or you can choose to stay at home.
    Your choice.

  6. Ellie

    Oh MV – spank me – I have been bad.

  7. lotocoti

    I’m still trying to work out how you can get the groceries home without compromising CITADEL integrity.
    Does the Long Suffering ride in the boot with the grocs, or does she jog behind the car?
    Are proper CITADEL IN precautions observed at home, or does she just get a quick hose down in the front yard?

  8. Ellie

    I want to swim in the ocean, but can’t because of this police state I am living in. Overburdened – I am going to break the rules.

  9. Geriatric Mayfly

    Is there no light at the end of the tunnel? The Christmas shopping is now in chaos with Neiman Marcus on the skids. Hang in there Fortnum’s, or else there will be nothing to put on the table as well.

  10. Struth

    The more sniffy gets excited the more we are over the target.

    This is good.

    I’m taking on Struth’s cause. Have arranged to play two-up with friends at Hyde Park this Saturday.

    Different acts of defiance in different areas just emphasises the individualism and freedom of Australians.

    Whatever you come up with is just fine and maybe better.
    That’s the beauty of freedom, the decisions aren’t made by one person with everyone following.
    Whatever you do, I just make the suggestion that we know need to cross over from tapping on a keyboard, to informing each other and organising resistance.

  11. MemoryFault

    It looks like obesity is almost the biggest factor if you look at US data.

    Fantastic!
    I’m currently 20 kg UNDER ideal BMI weight.
    I’m gunna live forever.

  12. Farmer Gez

    It’s great that we have the moral compass of the nation guiding us with his wisdom everyday.
    If only he had a supply of bread and seafood. Keep him away from the water supply though.

  13. Nick

    LL, how is the unfortunate candle eater going ? Maybe stick to artisanal cumquat and dragonfruit jam bought in an ever so nice place in Daylesford.

  14. MemoryFault

    Oh MV – spank me

    No.
    I already spoil you too much.
    You can’t expect to get what you want all the time, young Lady.

  15. Cassie of Sydney

    Chris Mitchell has written a sensation piece in today’s Oz about Pell being the victim of “culture wars”…which some of us have known for over a decade. Worth a read….in fact anything Mitchell writes is worth a read.

  16. Cassie of Sydney

    “Different acts of defiance in different areas just emphasises the individualism and freedom of Australians.”

    Yes Struth…I have already discussed this with my mother and sister…there’s no bloody way that we are downloading that App.

  17. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #3420162, posted on April 20, 2020 at 8:43 am

    LL, how is the unfortunate candle eater going ? Maybe stick to artisanal cumquat and dragonfruit jam bought in an ever so nice place in Daylesford

    I am avoiding food inspired scents in the candles and bath salts until I can educate the poor on The Finer Things of Life.

  18. Cassie of Sydney

    Farewell Australia…

  19. notafan

    Calli the app, which I don’t support btw, is to backtrack new cases, I assume that there is an assumption that there are asymptomatic carriers that are in the community and if they get new confirmed case because someone actually get sick they can backtrack and see who else that person had contact with.

  20. Entropy

    That would require a subscription to a newspaper t employs the Bitter Savv. Imagine what that column will be like this week.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    The same people who resisted “stop and search” powers to combat Efrican gangs with knives are totally fine with old ladies having their shopping trollies searched for “non essential items”.

  22. Nick

    From the Mitchell article:

    While a corrective to the treatment of institutional abuse was long overdue, some commentary clearly suggests the process is being hijacked by activists who see victimhood and identity as the key drivers of social change. They are less concerned about righting wrongs than destroying institutions of power.

    Pell was not charged because of what he knew of offences by convicted Ballarat pedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. And yet on ­Twitter on Tuesday night, ABC journalist Louise Milligan cited in response to Bolt’s Pell interview the video testimony of people ­abused by Ridsdale.

    Nor was Pell charged over decisions to protect Ridsdale by moving him from parish to parish. These decisions were made by the bishop of Ballarat, Ronald Mulkearns, and archbishop of Melbourne Frank Little. If redacted sections of the royal commission report suggest Pell was involved in deciding to move Ridsdale, then further legal action will follow. But the cardinal has denied this many times.

    As a junior priest in the 1970s, Pell lived for 10 months in the same presbytery as Ridsdale in East Ballarat. Pell says he knew nothing of Ridsdale’s offending at that time. Former Channel 10 ­political editor Paul Bongiorno lived in a presbytery in Warrnambool at the same time as Ridsdale and also says he knew nothing of Ridsdale’s offending. Why is the left-wing Bongiorno believed but the conservative Pell not?

    Many journalists investigating pedophile priests do so for the right reason: justice for victims. But some of their supporters seem to be motivated by old left-right hatreds. It is Pell’s positions as a conservative that really draw their ire. Imagine if Pell shared the views of Bongiorno on marriage, climate change, politics and conservative doctrine. Would critics such as Barrie Cassidy, David Marr, Guy Rundle, Quentin Dempster and Fran Kelly be nearly as quick to condemn him?

    Cassidy last Tuesday tweeted in response to Milligan accusing Bolt of effectively protecting Pell and allowing Ridsdale’s crime to be trivialised. This was because Pell had referred to Ridsdale’s “activities”. In fact, Pell unequivocally condemned Ridsdale’s offending and the church’s handling of it

    Do such tweets suggest some journalists just assume Pell is evil? How else to explain Milligan’s tweet last Thursday night in response to a piece here by Greg Sheridan: “It’s a profound insult to a decent young man who went through five years of hell … you’re smart enough to know beyond reasonable doubt is an incredibly high bar for historical sexual ­matters.”

    Milligan obviously believes in the journalism she has produced. Such belief must be underpinned by a certain view of Pell, the church and all the opportunity witnesses who testified the alleged 1996 offences against two choirboys in a St Patrick’s Cathedral sacristy could not have happened because Pell was elsewhere, the cathedral was crowded and the sacristy was too far away. Add the lack of grooming and the fact Pell would have had no idea if the boys were the sons of judges, politicians or police commissioners.

    The rejection of all such doubts suggests a cultural mindset about Pell and his church.

  23. pete m

    Home schooling fail as BCE servers are down.

    Other daughter using Teams App for class roll call.

    Another journ fail “copy write” in turdball article on msn

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Asian lady down the street out walking her two yappy dogs.
    Maybe I didn’t hear this quite right, but pretty sure the dogs names are “Sweet” and “Sour”.
    FMD.

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3420174, posted on April 20, 2020 at 8:52 am
    The same people who resisted “stop and search” powers to combat Efrican gangs with knives are totally fine with old ladies having their shopping trollies searched for “non essential items”.”

    But of course.

  26. Farmer Gez

    I suppose everyone, save the demented, have noticed the TDS has reached peak infection spread in the MSM.
    A blonde bint on the commercial news last nights claimed Trump was not telling the truth when he said the US was doing well compared to Europe with the exception of Germany.
    She puffed out her already deflated chest and said the US had the highest death toll in the world.
    She isn’t a star at maths or statistical analysis obviously.
    The US death rate per million is half or a third of Western European nations in most trouble, while the infection rate is similar.
    If they’re not lying, they’re not trying.

  27. Nick

    Selected from the Mitchell article:

    While a corrective to the treatment of institutional abuse was long overdue, some commentary clearly suggests the process is being hijacked by activists who see victimhood and identity as the key drivers of social change. They are less concerned about righting wrongs than destroying institutions of power.

    Pell was not charged because of what he knew of offences by convicted Ballarat peterfile priest Gerald Ridsdale. And yet on ­Twitter on Tuesday night, ABC journalist Louise Milligan cited in response to Bolt’s Pell interview the video testimony of people ­abused by Ridsdale.

    Nor was Pell charged over decisions to protect Ridsdale by moving him from parish to parish. These decisions were made by the bishop of Ballarat, Ronald Mulkearns, and archbishop of Melbourne Frank Little. If redacted sections of the royal commission report suggest Pell was involved in deciding to move Ridsdale, then further legal action will follow. But the cardinal has denied this many times.

    As a junior priest in the 1970s, Pell lived for 10 months in the same presbytery as Ridsdale in East Ballarat. Pell says he knew nothing of Ridsdale’s offending at that time. Former Channel 10 ­political editor Paul Bongiorno lived in a presbytery in Warrnambool at the same time as Ridsdale and also says he knew nothing of Ridsdale’s offending. Why is the left-wing Bongiorno believed but the conservative Pell not?

    Many journalists investigating peterfile priests do so for the right reason: justice for victims. But some of their supporters seem to be motivated by old left-right hatreds. It is Pell’s positions as a conservative that really draw their ire. Imagine if Pell shared the views of Bongiorno on marriage, climate change, politics and conservative doctrine. Would critics such as Barrie Cassidy, David Marr, Guy Rundle, Quentin Dempster and Fran Kelly be nearly as quick to condemn him?

    Cassidy last Tuesday tweeted in response to Milligan accusing Bolt of effectively protecting Pell and allowing Ridsdale’s crime to be trivialised. This was because Pell had referred to Ridsdale’s “activities”. In fact, Pell unequivocally condemned Ridsdale’s offending and the church’s handling of it

    Do such tweets suggest some journalists just assume Pell is evil? How else to explain Milligan’s tweet last Thursday night in response to a piece here by Greg Sheridan: “It’s a profound insult to a decent young man who went through five years of hell … you’re smart enough to know beyond reasonable doubt is an incredibly high bar for historical sexual ­matters.”

    Milligan obviously believes in the journalism she has produced. Such belief must be underpinned by a certain view of Pell, the church and all the opportunity witnesses who testified the alleged 1996 offences against two choirboys in a St Patrick’s Cathedral sacristy could not have happened because Pell was elsewhere, the cathedral was crowded and the sacristy was too far away. Add the lack of grooming and the fact Pell would have had no idea if the boys were the sons of judges, politicians or police commissioners.

    The rejection of all such doubts suggests a cultural mindset about Pell and his church.

  28. notafan

    No peer review. No correlation between obesity and age over 60.
    the obesity coronavirus article

  29. twostix

    “Freedom” to infect your fellow innocent Australians with a deadly virus which has no cure, no treatment, and has killed hundreds of thousands worldwide.
    You have a bizarre concept of freedom.
    It sounds more like tryanny than freedom.

    Do other boomers see why everyone hates boomers?

    Our lives and futures are being destroyed in tangible and measurable ways, we are imprisoned in our homes to stop a virus than is little more than the sniffles for 100% of us and our children, our jobs are disappearing before our very eyes, and we have to listen to the superannuated, wealthiest generation in history sneering at, emotionally blackmailing and mocking us about wanting it to end.

    A two tier system has emerged. The aging powerful have locked the healthy peasants in our home because they don’t want to risk getting sick off us and our “carrier” children.

  30. Nick

    I am avoiding food inspired scents in the candles and bath salts until I can educate the poor on The Finer Things of Life.

    Home made pressed flowers are wasted on the poor. There is an aesthetic dissonance that exists between the higher and lower orders. I’m working on a Collingbush themed picnic basket, with a teapot that plays the team’s mantra or whatever it is. I hope it’s appreciated.

  31. notafan

    What bar would Milligan replace it with?

  32. MemoryFault

    Folks, for the umteenth time,
    THERE IS NO MAGIC APP!

    They can already identify you, locate you, track you, and monitor all your activity, via existing capabilities already inherent in your mobile phone. You are being fed a furphy to hide the fact that they have been able to do all this, and more, for over a decade.

  33. Struth

    they said “give me freedom or give me death”

    I can now, for the first time in my life, understand this sentiment and I will never forget or forgive those that stole it from us.
    It is sickening feeling deep in the guts.
    There needs to be more done than just regain our freedom.
    Those that broke the constitution, and put themselves above the rule of law, Police commissioners who made their thugs enforce decrees, not laws, many times just being let off the leash to give individual police the power of god to force anything they deem fit, must be held accountable.
    Those that have caused death and misery amongst us, already obviously worse than the coronavirus, with the toll to rise now, from these decisions, for years to come, need punishment.
    Those deaths will be far more, and misery far more extensive, and need to be recorded as deaths due to citizen disarmament.

  34. Cardimona

    Absolutely epic trolling by the God-Emperor!
    Just played a clip of Cuomo praising him.

  35. feelthebern

    What about Louisiana notafan?
    That data seemed to be pretty clear.

  36. Nick

    What bar would Milligan replace it with?

    In all seriousness Nota, I genuinely believe that they think it would depend on the person and their social views. Let’s imagine an openly gay figure, an activist of sorts, criticised for grooming youth. Cries of homophobia would be uttered faster than you could blink.

  37. notafan

    And she might have a point in a he said he said case.

    But they chose, because the archbishop wandering around the cathedral choir practice on a week day wasn’t working; in the cathedral, on Sunday, after solemn mass because that is what they were reduced to and thus introduced hundreds of potential witnesses, twenty two of whom rebutted the claim.

    And more would have, if given the opportunity.

    And as the HC pointed out the second claim of crashing through the procession was simply ludicrous.

  38. Cardimona

    MV, if the tracking capabilities you speak of are readily accessible by our governments, why can’t the police catch all known offenders quickly?
    Andrew Bolt’s attackers, for instance.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    A point I and others have made here several times:-

    As a junior priest in the 1970s, Pell lived for 10 months in the same presbytery as Ridsdale in East Ballarat. Pell says he knew nothing of Ridsdale’s offending at that time. Former Channel 10 ­political editor Paul Bongiorno lived in a presbytery in Warrnambool at the same time as Ridsdale and also says he knew nothing of Ridsdale’s offending. Why is the left-wing Bongiorno believed but the conservative Pell not?

  40. MemoryFault

    Do other boomers see why everyone hates boomers?

    Twostix, if you don’t stop trying to blame all th ills of the world on us boomers, I’ll come round and beat you to a pulp with my zimmer frame.

  41. Nick

    Comment at the Oz:

    We publicly fund the ABC specifically for this purpose to remove commercial bias from advertisers but simply replaced this bias with another.

  42. notafan

    Cell tower triangulation is not that accurate.

    Prove that it is please.

    Not just by yelling a bit louder

  43. Boambee John

    But they little effect.[sic, indeed very sick]

    The “fighting Kommunism” schick fell in a heap.

    If the pedantic pedanty pedant was itself perfect in its spelling, grammar and composition, its pedantry might be justified, but it isn’t.

  44. 1735099

    Old pricks like you can chose to go out.

    You’re displaying an abysmal ignorance of the transmission of this virus.
    Those who take unnecessary risks end up asymptomatic carriers and become vectors. The infection spreads exponentially and the shutdowns would have to be reintroduced.
    That might please the dimwits who post here in the strong and unyielding belief that they know more than the epidemiologists who are advising governments, but it would recycle us back to where we started.
    You may have a secret desire to win a Darwin Award, but you can take that and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

  45. notafan

    I dunno FTB

    could be because Orleans parish is a third world s******* populated by African Americans with multiple healthy issues.

    Louisiana article

  46. Ellie

    Ray Hadley is whinging about people whinging.

  47. Nick

    Hiss, scratch:

    The Australian had already published details of A Bigger Picture on Thursday, and by Sunday, a full day ahead of the release of the book, it was available for sale in some shops — in the bargain bin. Dymocks was already discounting it at $39.99, down from the recommended price of $55.

  48. notafan

    Numbers

    If you remain in isolation you have nothing to worry about.

    Okay?

  49. Eddystone

    twostix
    #3420182, posted on April 20, 2020 at 8:58 am

    “Freedom” to infect your fellow innocent Australians with a deadly virus which has no cure, no treatment, and has killed hundreds of thousands worldwide.
    You have a bizarre concept of freedom.
    It sounds more like tryanny than freedom.

    Do other boomers see why everyone hates boomers?

    Our lives and futures are being destroyed in tangible and measurable ways, we are imprisoned in our homes to stop a virus than is little more than the sniffles for 100% of us and our children, our jobs are disappearing before our very eyes, and we have to listen to the superannuated, wealthiest generation in history sneering at, emotionally blackmailing and mocking us about wanting it to end.

    A two tier system has emerged. The aging powerful have locked the healthy peasants in our home because they don’t want to risk getting sick off us and our “carrier” children.

    Give the boomer derangement a little holiday twostix.

    Scott Morrison isn’t a boomer, nor are the police officers aggressively enforcing “lockdown” measures.

  50. Mater

    MV, if the tracking capabilities you speak of are readily accessible by our governments, why can’t the police catch all known offenders quickly?
    Andrew Bolt’s attackers, for instance.

    Cardi,
    We had an iPad stolen which had “Find My Phone” installed. We lodged a police report and showed them the exact address at which it was being stored (they had been trying to hack the pin).
    They refused to get a warrant and go get it. For three whole months we pestered them to do their job, and for three whole months, they refused. God alone knows why, surely the easiest collar ever?
    Eventually, they got sick of us, got the warrant, and guess what? They found the iPad.

    VICPOL are no longer here to serve the public, unless their interests align.

  51. calli

    is to backtrack new cases, I assume that there is an assumption that there are asymptomatic carriers that are in the community and if they get new confirmed case because someone actually get sick they can backtrack and see who else that person had contact with.

    At the glacial pace of most government stuff (apart from capturing and restraining old geezers at the beach) I will be in the ICU and on my last gasp when they identify and contact me.

    Rather take my chances out in the big bad world. I’m also struggling to think of any total strangers I’m likely to spend a close 15 minutes with.

  52. Nick

    This is novel. Still have cash to burn though, despite the whining:

    International students as well as domestic students will be eligible for assistance under the terms of a new University of Technology Sydney COVID-19 support scheme that tops up the $8.3 million in existing programs to a total sum of $15m.

    Main features include grants of up to $1500 for living and other expenses; interest free loans of up to $3000, housing subsidies up to $2000 for those in UTS housing, as well as food subsidies and delivery of freshly cooked meals for students in self-isolation in UTS housing.

    It also includes $500,000 to subsidise student employment for students who have lost their jobs as a result of COVID-19 and are ineligible for other support.

  53. notafan

    Mater

    You had a tracking app installed.

  54. Mother Lode

    MV, if the tracking capabilities you speak of are readily accessible by our governments, why can’t the police catch all known offenders quickly?
    Andrew Bolt’s attackers, for instance.

    The police have given up chasing dangerous offenders.

    They prefer to sit by the side of the road and ping motorists doing 65 in a 60 zone than track down a burglar, or pushing violent into the back of a van the protesters who prevent citizens going about their business.

    They see their role as controlling law abiding ordinary folks, issuing fines and collecting the revenue.

    Easier to control them than crooks – it is why we have no-go areas: Stop people going places rather than enforcing the laws within them.

  55. It is sickening feeling deep in the guts.

    That was the veal parmigiana you had for lunch.
    It was off.

  56. MemoryFault

    MV, if the tracking capabilities you speak of are readily accessible by our governments, why can’t the police catch all known offenders quickly?

    Cardimona, to locate anybody by any means, you have to know who you are trying to locate.
    Despite extensive CCTV footage of the incident, the NSW cops maintain they haven’t got a clue who attacked Bolt.

    And if you believe that, I’ve got a lovely harbour bridge you can buy for peanuts. I’ll even throw in this bright, shiny new app for your phone. It lets you know if your battery is flat by turning the phone off.

    Isn’t that clever!

  57. Nick

    Leftist ‘wah’ of the day:

    De Blasio has criticized the $2tn coronavirus relief package that Trump signed last month, saying New York only received $1.4bn from the stimulus, compared with around $58bn for the airline industry. He has called for the next package, which congressional and administration leaders say they are “close” to reaching a deal on, to include tens of billions for states, cities and municipalities.

  58. Cardimona

    Here’s the Monday morning pollution screenshots for China.

    CO – https://imgur.com/a/TW0chIe

    NO2 – https://imgur.com/a/gQywBHb

    SO2 – https://imgur.com/a/PpfCMxJ

    If these tell us anything, I’d reckon they’re saying China is still sick.

    If anyone is interested in the aerosols, PM2.5 or active fires layers, please let me know and I’ll compile them.

  59. Boambee John

    Much chatter last night about Patsy Kensit.

    Pretty, but Tea Leoni did the same blond bambi look much better. (And both do that look better than KKKenneally.)

  60. Leigh Lowe

    Home made pressed flowers are wasted on the poor. 

    OMG!
    Just got a call from the candle-muncher’s step-father.
    They have engaged Slater and Gordon!
    Apparently the packaging the candle came in did not warn against eating the candle and had labelling in French.
    Well, of course it did.
    The candles are from France.
    Who buys Australian scented candles?
    Do such things even exist?
    I will have to ring Prue from “Memories of Provence” (the shop where I bought the candle) straight away.
    Be thankful for small mercies I suppose.
    Prue’s current husband is a QC so will probably send those horrid lefties from Slaters packing.
    Partially his fault anyway.
    He set Prue up in the shop as a peace offering when his dalliance with the little legal clerk came to light.
    Prue was suspicious of that one from the get-go. I mean, who recruits legal clerks from the Philippines?

  61. Struth

    Do other lefties see why everyone hates lefties?

    Our lives and futures are being destroyed in tangible and measurable ways, we are imprisoned in our homes to stop a virus than is little more than the sniffles for 100% of us and our children, our jobs are disappearing before our very eyes, and we have to listen to the superannuated, wealthiest lefties in history sneering at, emotionally blackmailing and mocking us about wanting it to end.

    My Parents were born in 1943 and 1945 .
    Does that make them boomers.
    Because they worked their arses off in the Private sector, ran small businesses, endured long periods of separation, brought up two kids, one taught via correspondence school, me, (so my mother educated me for a time) and instilled a work ethic and discipline I am grateful for everyday.
    Never took a cent from government, but now sit home, also broken by government, dirt poor and Isolated from their children via travel restrictions, not venturing outdoors, as they know they are prime targets of some boogieman virus.
    Great way to end their lives.
    Collectivism versus individualism.
    Maybe now is not the time for tongue in cheek collectivism.
    I know one thing for sure.
    That generation would have not let themselves be willingly imprisoned in their homes.
    When our generation’s history is written, then we will know shame.

  62. Mater

    You had a tracking app installed.

    I did, yet they still did nothing, because it didn’t suit them.
    The moral of my story is that they’ll do only what suits them.

    MV is right in that our phones can be tracked. No doubts, I’ve used the locating data myself.

    However, the source of that info can’t be openly acknowledged. This app frees the government to act on the data without needing a cover story or plausible deniability. The app info can probably also be used in a Court of Law. After this, whenever someone asks, “How did you know?”, the answer will be, “The COVID app!”.

  63. calli

    If these tell us anything, I’d reckon they’re saying China is still sick.

    Family member who manufactures in China (yes, I know) says a couple of container-loads are on their way. He pays up front. He says they say they’re up and running.

    I’m not as trusting as he because I’m older and wickeder.

  64. If you remain in isolation you have nothing to worry about.

    Indeed.
    But my children, siblings, and many others I know and care for (lots of teachers in my family) have to go to work. They have less to worry about if the pandemic is properly managed, and so far, this country has made a pretty good job of it.
    I know it’s unfashionable to show concern for others on Catallaxy, but that’s the reality.
    Other jurisdictions, where social interdependence is abhorred, have not done as well.
    The USA is showing 122 deaths per 1 million, Australia 3.

  65. MemoryFault

    Thank you Mater,for that little dose of sanity in this blog full of tech ignorance.

  66. Boambee John

    From Nick

    Main features include grants of up to $1500 for living and other expenses; interest free loans of up to $3000, housing subsidies up to $2000 for those in UTS housing, as well as food subsidies and delivery of freshly cooked meals for students in self-isolation in UTS housing.

    Someone (notafan??) asked a few days ago who benefited from the overseas students. I speculated at the time that some of the accommodation might be run by the universities. Seems so. I wonder how much profit that brings in?

  67. candy

    I wonder if Louise Milligan ever asks herself why is the “Kid” lying to me.

    Eventually a person after having a great obsession and finding it of no substance would question themselves.

  68. Good morning all.
    So reading a bit of crap on Facebook and up pops an article from the Courier Mail. Apparently students there are going to study ‘Survival Day’s not Australia Day. Despite black fellas having more opportunities than ever before in terms of employment, education, health, you name it. The Education Department in Queensland in their er, wisdom thinks a bit of chicanery during the fake coronavirus epidemic is good. FMD.

  69. notafan

    LL

    Is that story Tru?

  70. Nick

    LL before you engage in any legal advice, check what schools they went to and if they a member of a club, but not the Geelong Club, it’s very provincial in a non French sense. I spoke to Blinky, who was at Oxford with me before he left in disgrace, something about having a Nigel Farage bumper sticker on the Q5, and he says you have the perfect defence, no one from the poorer side of the tracks would even know what basil was, let alone eat it.

  71. twostix

    Prince Henry has a moment of clarity and speaks to his generation. Tyranical Boomer media neo-aristocracy has a complete meltdown that someone, somewhere, holds an unapproved opinion:

    Speaking on the podcast he said: ‘I think what has happened especially in the UK is the very best of the human spirit and it’s proving that things are better than we are led to believe through certain corners of the media.

    ‘Certainly when you’re in isolation it can be very worrying when you’re sitting there and the only information you’re getting is from certain news channels, but then if you’re out and about and you’re on the right platforms you can really sense this human spirit coming to the forefront.’

    The most insidious virus at the moment is the mind virus which has infected people who live almost exclusively in the online world.

    In one world – actual reality, the sun shines, people hustle and bustle on the footpaths, at the shops and at the beach. There’s a virus going around that is causing highly vulnerable people to die if they catch it at a higher rate than if they caught anything else.

    In the other, an imaginary world – the online world, the media created world, the mental world, the world outside is an apocalyptic wasteland in which every man woman and child is in imminent danger of death.

    One of these is real and tangible, one is a collective hysteria.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The “fighting Kommunism” schick fell in a heap.

    Ummm, South Vietnam was overrun by a North Vietnamese invasion, after a peace treaty had been signed and the evil, debble debble Yankees and their running dogs had gone home?

  73. The moral of my story is that they’ll do only what suits them.

    And it would probably suit them, and anyone trying to manage the spread of the virus, to trace contacts through the App.
    That’s a slightly higher priority than recovering a stolen iPad.
    The undersong running though all your posts (and many others on this site) is “It’s all about me”.
    Jackman…..

  74. notafan

    So your family can gad about during the ‘lockdown’ because special but the hoi polloi can’t because ‘worry’

    Locked in their homes forever.

  75. notafan

    The Spanish government have announced that they are going to allow children out once a day because many of them live in apartments as small as 40 square metres.

    Any questions about why Spain has such a big outbreak?

  76. MemoryFault

    Cell tower triangulation is not that accurate.
    Prove that it is please.

    Yeah, Nota, I confess – it’s not that accurate.
    But what can we do? Those bloody cell towers keep moving around.
    I just knew there’d be problems when they announced the towers would be made out of Ent trees.
    I said right from the start they should have had Tolkein signed up as a consultant.

  77. candy

    It’s not the wealthy older people who need to worry too much.

    More the pensioners in Housing accommodation, hostels etc, with no car and not much in the way of caring outsiders to check on them. The fear of death of is the same though. Probably a worse situation in New York and the U.K.

  78. notafan

    Numbers you’re trying to reverse a point made about you the other day.

    It’s even more embarrassing than usual to watch.

  79. Geriatric Mayfly

    I wonder if Louise Milligan ever asks herself why is the “Kid” lying to me.

    Those chocolate drop eyes transcend all else.

  80. Mater

    And it would probably suit them, and anyone trying to manage the spread of the virus, to trace contacts through the App.
    That’s a slightly higher priority than recovering a stolen iPad.

    As usual, you’re conflating a number of different threads and coming up with a fairytale which suits your confected narrative.

    More Glad-Wrap, and back under the bed for you. There’s a good chap!

  81. notafan

    Oh shut up Grigs.

    Exactly how is that a point?

    If they are isolated and alone they are safe.

    And there are charities working very hard to support shut-ins.

  82. Ummm, South Vietnam was overrun by a North Vietnamese invasion, after a peace treaty had been signed and the evil, debble debble Yankees and their running dogs had gone home?

    Ummm, Vietnam was unified after more than fifty years of fighting foreign invasion – in turn, the Japanese, the French, and the Americans, and 57000 Americans and 500 Australians need not have died.
    The “debble debble” is in the detail. Vietnam is now a peaceful and prosperous country, and defending itself against the Chinese, the same Chinese that I was told were going to take over Vietnam, the rest of South East Asia, and ultimately Australia, if we didn’t “fight them over there.”
    That narrative ran off the rails in 1975.

  83. Struth

    And they will not allow me to pay things for them, as they will not have it.
    They will not take from their own children.
    They sit in a little flat, turning the kettle of at the wall to save the electricity used by the standby light, and their big outings are to go to the doctors to get another cancer burnt off and getting prescriptions.
    I doubt they will make it through this winter.
    They don’t turn the heater on enough as they can’t afford the socialist state’s green electricity prices.
    They have voted as far right wing as they can, all their lives, quit jobs before they would sign on to compulsory unionism, and as you may tell, I’m very fucking proud of them.
    Not all boomers are “boomers”.

  84. notafan

    Yes mv that was the point I was making.

    But of course you have much secret information.

    As usual.

  85. Nick

    Those chocolate drop eyes transcend all else.

    The irony, describing a younger man like that while lambasting the evil man that saw him as a sexual object.

  86. Ellie

    Oh shut up Grigs.

    Grigs is here? Swoooon.

  87. Mater

    Cell tower triangulation is not that accurate.
    Prove that it is please.

    The first point I’d make is that you might be VERY surprised at the accuracy obtainable through mere triangulation.
    The second is that when you combine it with a secondary source (say like Blutooth, which is concurrently churning location data from multiple other phones, at the same time), you would be shocked at the accuracy.

    This app is a really bad idea.

  88. feelthebern

    This app is a really bad idea.

    100% correct.

  89. NoFixedAddress

    Hey jellybean from the jungle

    Whereabouts in Vietnam did you meet your Cuban Communist Handlers?

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/latin-america/253466-cubas-role-vietnam-war.html

  90. notafan

    I have gps activated on my phone. Indoors I get a lot of drift, particularly in large buildings.

    But sure pinpoint accuracy.

  91. notafan

    I agree Mater but I’m disagreeing that pinpoint accuracy for every single phone is not possible now, without the app.

  92. MemoryFault

    But of course you have much secret information.

    That’s right, Nota.
    It’s called “grid triangulation” and I learned it when I was in a Secret Society known as “The Boy Cubs”, when I was ten years old and going for my Leaping Wolf patch.

    But please don’t tell anybody – it’s a secret.

  93. Mater

    I agree Mater but I’m disagreeing that pinpoint accuracy for every single phone is not possible now, without the app.

    Nota,
    These drone strikes you regularly see on TV, they are not guess work and the dead guys didn’t download any app.

  94. harrys on the boat

    The WA government really are shithouse. Yesterday, proudly announce the buying of hundreds (thousands?) of ventilators. Despite the fact we only have 6 people in ICU and only 113 active cases and that ventilators are now known to do fuck all and in some cases make the situation worse.

    They also announce that the Smart Freeway opening of a section of the Kwinana freeway is being delayed due to the UK experts can’t fly over. This would be the same UK experts who put the same technology on UK motorways to deadly affect. The use of smart motorways in the UK has been halted as they have become death traps.

    These fucking idiots are in charge.

  95. Roger

    That narrative ran off the rails in 1975.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

  96. Struth

    There is only one reason to keep your chin up, or maybe a couple.

    President Donald J Trump and the United State’s second amendment, and the other is our government pushing too far, and keeping this going too long.

    If this site goes down, and we get the level of internet control the Chinese gets before we get our freedom back, we won’t know what is going on in the States.
    Then we are toast.
    Hence I believe first pushback can’t come soon enough and Anzac day is perfect for a start.

    The next stage, as we are unarmed, should be ridicule and sabotage.

  97. notafan

    Okay Mater.

    So there’s high tech military equipment that can pinpoint locations.

    And that is also tracking all civilians all the time, right now?

  98. Mater

    And that is also tracking all civilians all the time, right now?

    Ok. I’m not going to risk jail time to explain it any further.
    Read between the lines, or don’t.

  99. notafan

    I can’t read between the lines.

    Either the government is currently tracking us all in real time all the time now, or it isn’t.

  100. Mater

    Either the government is currently tracking us all in real time all the time now, or it isn’t.

    Not in real time, not unless you are a person (mobile number) of interest.
    But they can certainly check who drove outbound on the Eastern Freeway (insert location of interest) between this time and that…if they had a phone.

  101. Eyrie

    “smart motorway”
    Wot’s a “smart motorway”?

  102. Mater

    Frankly, I’m shocked that this is even a surprise to anyone. Been capable of doing it for more than a decade.

  103. NoFixedAddress

    notafan
    #3420296, posted on April 20, 2020 at 9:56 am

    I can’t read between the lines.

    Either the government is currently tracking us all in real time all the time now, or it isn’t.

    notafan

    For the love of G-d

    Who are you going to ask and who would actually tell you?

  104. Snoopy

    Cardimona, to locate anybody by any means, you have to know who you are trying to locate.
    Despite extensive CCTV footage of the incident, the NSW cops maintain they haven’t got a clue who attacked Bolt.

    OTOH NSW cops probably know Bolt was assaulted in Melbourne.

  105. Eyrie

    Triangulation of your position depends on the time of signal propagation. One nanosecond resolution and accuracy gets you to about one foot of distance. Slightly worse if you add in reflections, atmospheric effects etc and any jitter on the time taken for your phone and the cell tower to respond to pings.
    I believe it is worse than GPS outdoors which is why phones all now have GPS (actually GNSS) chips in them.
    Your phone almost certainly will shortly, if not already use all the 4 main constellations GPS, Glonass, Beidou and Galileo plus QZSS and SBAS if available. Right now I have 50 navsats above 10 degrees above the horizon.

  106. Ellie

    I slept with him last night

  107. Boambee John

    Ellie
    #3420338, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:10 am
    This Fred is dead

    Ellie
    #3420339, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:10 am
    I slept with him last night

    Does he have a very big smile on his face?

  108. Ellie

    Eyrie – you are talking in tongues. I like.

  109. Ellie

    Does he have a very big smile on his face?

    His smile is upside down. I can’t tell.

  110. Ellie

    Boambee? Is that a character in a book?

  111. areff

    Just in case the ABC decides to take a closer look at her “advocacy journalism”, Milligan drops to her metaphoric knees and pleasures the boss.

    @Milliganreports· 13h
    I want to say that we at the ABC are incredibly lucky to have an MD in David Anderson who champions important journalism & genuinely cares about the wellbeing &, yes, safety, of those of us who strive to undertake it. Knowing we have David steering the ship is hugely comforting.

    The left, they’re either at your throat or at your feet.

  112. Ellie

    areff – new thread. Hello, by the way. X

  113. Boambee John

    Ellie
    #3420358, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:22 am
    Boambee? Is that a character in a book?

    Location in northern NSW.

  114. What Milligan really means is she is lucky the ABC has a culture which allows for bias and not representing the views of half of the population.

  115. Mark A:
    rickw
    #3419918, posted on April 19, 2020 at 11:09 pm
    A talk on the M4 Sherman:

    Giants and Lilliputians.
    Quantity over quality.

    Worked for the T34.
    I liked the bit about how many flat cars and cranes could lift/transport the newer tanks.
    A lesson that should have been remembered for the M1 Abrams.

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