The non-mandatory app

Huge debate raging on social media – the non-mandatory tracing app that the Morrison government (or is it the unelected, unaccountable, unconstitutional “National Cabinet”) is foisting upon us.

Now it turns out that Barnaby Joyce has the right approach – but he is the wrong person to make the argument:

 I treasure the government knowing as little about me as possible,” Mr Joyce told Nine newspapers.

Not to mention his wife and daughters.

But moving along …

Senator James Bragg is out and about trying to promote adoption of the App:

But there are several problems with the App:

Those are all good questions – it seems to me, however, that the app cannot have privacy protections. The WHOLE IDEA is that the app will communicate with other versions of itself and with the whole world advising that you are not diseased.

As to it not being mandatory – well, it won’t be. The government will never tell you that you have to download the app. But … your employer might require you to have the app before returning to work. An airline might require you to have to app before allowing you to board a plane. A shopping mall may require you to have the app before allowing you into the mall, and so on. So, no. Not government mandatory requirement at all. Just discrimination.

All those people mocking the Chinese social credit system? Saying it could never happen here? So January 2020.

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160 Responses to The non-mandatory app

  1. Roger

    All those people mocking the Chinese social credit system? Saying it could never happen here? So January 2020.

    One notable feature of this crisis – if you will – is that Western countries are becoming more like China than the other way around.

  2. The government says that it will be completely secure. How exactly will they define ‘completely secure’?
    How many times have government initiated system been compromised. The fact that it communicates with other devices of unknown origin with unknown levels of security, means that there can be no security guarantee. How many times have we heard of a bad app being able to access other apps and data and how many Huawei phones are out there?

    Does this app now disable the ability to disable Bluetooth. And as I mentioned elsewhere, what about those who don’t have a mobile phone or use a dumb phone which won’t accept apps (I have a couple in the drawer). Will the government now issue, free of charge, Apple/Android phones for those who don’t have one?

    Will this app be forcibly downloaded to all phones by carriers?

  3. nfw

    If any organisation demands I have this Social Credit racist fascist Chinese like tracking app then pay for my phone and bills. They can stick this. Technology can make our lives better; tracking us doesn’t. Orwell would have used this in 1984 if he had known. Bragg it seems hasn’t had any real jobs.

  4. duncanm

    Its quite simple. The writers of Utopia nailed it.

    We run a comprehensive trial on all public servants, politicians, and doctors.

  5. shady

    Just like signing up to the child abuse compensation fund is voluntary according to federal legislation, except in Victoria where if you don’t you will be unable to receive government grants.

  6. Buy cheap phones, put them in close proximity on trains, ferries, in culverts, waste management centres, interstate trains, national parks, old wells, nature reserves etc, let Operation Mayhem commence!

  7. Alex Davidson

    I liked the way Morrison first announced this: It will be voluntary, unless you refuse.

    They are now so used to getting their way with every violation of our freedoms that the first thing they think of is the tactic used by thugs during a holdup.

  8. thefrollickingmole

    I can guarantee you complete physical safety.
    You wont like what it takes to get you there but I can do it.
    Once we hook you up in the “nugget” pod after the removal of your limbs (they only get you in trouble anyway) feed you your ration of “I cant believe its not recycled arms and legs/people” and pllug you into ABC 24/7 you will come to accept it.
    Complete safety.

  9. RobK

    Is this an off shoot of tinder or grindr or something?

  10. A Lurker

    I’ll take a sledgehammer to my phone long before it becomes mandatory to upload the app.

  11. Some History

    But … your employer might require you to have the app before returning to work. An airline might require you to have to app before allowing you to board a plane. A shopping mall may require you to have the app before allowing into the mall, and so on. So, no. Not government mandatory requirement at all. Just discrimination.

    Yep. Shutting society down was one thing. Getting back into work, i.e., “allowed” to work, may have all sorts of [control] conditions to be met. Not good.

  12. RobK

    At a time when they can’t even determine accurately who is infectious, this debate would seem to be somewhat moot.

  13. MPH

    Joseph Heller would be proud.

  14. RobK

    Presumably the app tries to pinpoint any source of infection by tracking past movements of newly infected subscribers?

  15. Tom

    The Morrison regime — and the technocrats to whom he has given unfettered, unquestioned political power — are the greatest threat to the Australian way of life in our history.

    Morrison will be lucky to get out of the anti-democratic coup d’etat he has enabled without a civil war. His attempt to introduce Orwellian social control of individual Australians is straight out of the Chinese Communist Party playbook.

    He is exactly the type of week fool the public service ordered to be its its puppet. For the Deep State, he is one of theirs.

  16. Mindfree

    Scenario – I’m at the airport about to board when the boarding staff request my proof I do not have the virus or have been tested. I chose NOT to download the app. As a result, they stop me from boarding until I do what is required. (Download the app or even get a test)

    How is this not different to what is happening in China?

    It may not be mandatory but sure a night follows day, certain business entities will have “mandatory guidelines” to ensure their customers choose to follow the government line

  17. RobK

    If the app does try to pinpoint the source of infection by tracking back the contacts of newly infected subscribers, then the virus has its latency-to-symptoms characteristics to circumvent the app.
    I’m sure I’m missing something here.

  18. Mindfree

    He is exactly the type of week fool the public service ordered to be its its puppet. For the Deep State, he is one of theirs.

    Tom, eggsactly – he is now on display as a puppet and it looks as if it’s the UN via WHO not to mention Dan Andrews and the unconstitutional National Cabinet

    And Paul Murray gives him fellatio each time he’s on PML

  19. Mother Lode

    Labor really ought to think carefully about this.

    Their rather disreputable membership with their twisted sexual proclivities and their need for clandestine meetings where little bits of Australian life are traded for Aldi bags of money it at stake.

    If they feed this data into a map of Australia all the seedier places tucked in and around the cities will light up like a Christmas tree.

  20. lily

    Never have I hated politicians so much, happy clapping Scott Judas Morrison tied to the apron strings of the Paris Agreement, renewable energy, WHO and every other organization that wants to suck the life blood out of Australian taxpayers.
    The only part of Turnbulls book that is most likely true is the part where Morrison connived to get the top job.
    As for his app it’s voluntary, but you will be under lock and key for longer if you don’t take it up.
    I grew up among the Christian Brethren most of them you couldn’t trust as far as you could kick them. Morrison fits the bill a false prophet.

  21. Mindfree

    And given the Singapore experience although one of the reasons take up was not high was that (and please correct me if I’m wrong) if you are on the list of contacts the phone for someone who does test positive, you may be required to take the test as well or face hefty fines.

    Even if this is not entirely the case, what is stopping some bureaucrat from enforcing this law?

  22. Chris M

    Can this be expanded to other categories say to alert proximity to gaaz, mooslums, greenz, junkies or crims for example.

    Western governments seems to like these slopes.

  23. Perfidious Albino

    There’s quite a lot of good info on the original app on its website, it was developed by the Singapore Govt and they have made it open source. The gist of it seems to be that it sits on your phone logging nearby Bluetooth devices and assigning time stamped indexes to them that only the Health Authority can decipher (the index constantly changes so an individual device can not be readily tracked). All the data apparently is stored on your device. If someone is diagnosed positive, they can choose to allow the Health Authority to access the data on their device which allows them to message the devices logged as having been in close enough proximity / duration etc.

    Notwithstanding the above, I personally don’t trust our Govt not to abuse it, for our own good, of course.

    Talking to a HK friend during the week, they have some other form of app on their phones which assigns a colour code to individuals. Restaurants, bars etc are open, but they can’t serve you unless you are ‘green’ and the establishment is obliged to report you if refuse / show orange/red. If you breach voluntary quarantine, they will disappear you to compulsory government quarantine (happened to their upstairs neighbour – a local HK Chinese who had returned from OS).

  24. Bluetooth has a range of 10 to 15 meters. If you’re safely ten meters from someone who is infected it could record you as in too close contact, or vice versa record two people in close contact as safely ten meters apart.
    .
    Buy a cheap phone and a cheap sim card for the app and leave it at home when you go out.

  25. Rohan

    Legalise Sedition
    #3418829, posted on April 19, 2020 at 12:25 pm
    Buy cheap phones, put them in close proximity on trains, ferries, in culverts, waste management centres, interstate trains, national parks, old wells, nature reserves etc, let Operation Mayhem commence!

    Nah, just switch the bloody thing off or leave it at home. That’s the cheaper option.

  26. miltonf

    Tom, eggsactly – he is now on display as a puppet and it looks as if it’s the UN via WHO not to mention Dan Andrews and the unconstitutional National Cabinet

    Never before have I seen this fact so brutally on display. It’s almost as if the deep state has decided that it no longer needs to stay out of view.

  27. Perfidious Albino

    https://www.tracetogether.gov.sg/

    Of course, the Feds will no doubt insist that we need to ‘Australianise’ this ‘shovel ready’ app, spending millions to deliver an inferior outcome, 3 months late…

  28. vlad

    Whatever the problem, the Canberra solution is always to stamp hard on individual liberty.

    Whether it works or not, that’s always Plan A, B, C, D …

  29. vlad

    Of course, the Feds will no doubt insist that we need to ‘Australianise’ this ‘shovel ready’ app, spending millions to deliver an inferior outcome, 3 months late…

    Here’s hoping. As Harlan Ellison said – from memory – what will save us in the end is their incompetence.

  30. howdy pardners.
    Tis a fine day to be a sharpenin’ the blades.

  31. RobK

    PA,
    If someone is diagnosed positive, they can choose to allow the Health Authority to access the data on their device which allows them to message the devices logged as having been in close enough proximity / duration etc.
    Given that many carriers show no symptoms, a diagnosis is not guaranteed unless a lot of testing is done more or less continuously. It may capture some increased spread but so will that increased level of testing.
    At this stage I remain unconvinced of the benefit.

  32. Struth

    Don’t want it to happen.
    Get up and go out.
    Now.
    You are free now, you won’t be if you let them bluff you that they can lock you in your house by mere order.

    This is a big country, think of an excuse and go for a drive, a long one.

    It really is up to city people.
    Fill your parks and roads and don’t wait for others.
    Go the beach, put your boat in.
    go fishing

  33. Struth

    Barnaby’s RIGHT!!!

    Thank Cardimona, I reckon.

  34. This is the response to AAPL refusing to allowing gubmints carte blanche accrss to their customers’ data.

    It is a clever and wicked plan.

    If we are living in a dystopian future, let’s hope Scotty gets Carousel.

  35. Struth

    If it is not compulsory to have the app, and it is not compulsory to have a phone, then somebody stopping me entering a shopping centre will be sued very quickly.

  36. Struth

    What’s the infected person doing roaming around?

    Look, this is not logical, and they don’t care, because they have the guns.

    If someone has been found to have the virus THEY SHOULD BE QUARANTINED at home and shouldn’t be out.
    You phone won’t magically know they are a carrier, FFS.
    If they have been tagged as a carrier, and these people want to track you in case you get too close, then I’m sorry, but that doesn’t help quarantine, that helps tyranny.

  37. RobK

    PA,
    Thanks for the link. The way I see it, it may tell you that you’ve been at risk of infection. How useful is that?
    I suppose you then go and get tested or go into a short quarantine, then get tested, or something.
    The explanation seems a bit incomplete.
    Has this thing proven useful in Singapore?

  38. Tezza

    I suppose State and Territory Governments will have access to the app’s data – take Victoria as an example. I suppose the Victorian Police will have access to the data, as requested by the Victorian Ministers tasked with tracking down Victorians who may have had contact with those who may have been infected?

    Morrison will regret having left State Premiers and police forces go berserk with ridiculous harassment of people soundly socially distancing by reading a book in a public park, and so on.

    As for the ‘deal’ apparently being offered “take up the new app, and if sufficient do, we may be able to relax stupid and pointless restrictions that we have already imposed”: no thanks. The last month has convinced me we have a series of governments, officials and police with an indecent appetite to suppress liberty for the pleasure of their own aggrandisement.

  39. Perfidious Albino

    RobK – yeah, I don’t disagree. Singapore is also a very different environment in terms of population density, and the take-up of the app there hasn’t been high so far. I just think it will be the thin end of the wedge if introduced here, so not in favour at all.

  40. Hay Stockard

    The more I see of Morrison the more disgusted I am with that stinker of a Quisling.
    His dad must be rolling in his grave.

  41. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    I just don’t get what all the fuss is about? You can be tracked by your mobile phone now. Google knows exactly where you are and how much you have spent and on what. Get a life you bunch of whingers you could be helping to save a life or two! And what is it that makes you think anyone actually really cares about where you go – you are just not that important sunshine. Get over yourself.

  42. a reader

    Morrison’s Australia Card

  43. Dr Faustus

    Scott Morrison
    @ScottMorrisonMP
    The App we are working on to help our health workers trace people who have been in contact with coronavirus will not be mandatory.

    Perfectly true statement. 100%
    You’ll be legally free to not use it; but obviously, if you don’t, quite a few things that you were used to doing will be a bit different…

  44. Struth

    So that part of it is gone, phones warning you of carriers, my god!

    So they find a carrier and the excuse is that they can then track who they have come into contact with in the past.
    Bullshit.

    Country people should not be involved in this because we get no coverage, and satellites can’t track you under tin roofs. And could you imagine this working in abo communities, or old folks homes, where the real problem lies and most can’t find their glasses let alone remember where the phone is, or surfers talking to each other waiting for a wave, with their phones back in their cars, or stolen phones, or phones accidently flushed away or phones smashed by your missus leaving it on top of the car and going for a drive, or ……………….this is Australia FFS, i’d estimate right now some 40 ooo people are walking around with a smashed or lost phone waiting for the phone shop to open tomorrow.
    It’s all pure insanity, and it won’t work for what it’s stated aim is.
    It will work in controlling you though, and making you play along.

  45. Perfidious Albino

    Not so long ago somebody here posted a link to a list of all the fed/state/local entities that subsequently signed on for access to our metadata capture that was originally pitched as being essential for our national security. You would have to be pretty naive to think the same won’t happen with a contact tracking app in time.

  46. Struth

    I just don’t get what all the fuss is about?

    That’s because you are thick.

    You can be tracked by your mobile phone now. Google knows exactly where you are and how much you have spent and on what.

    Get the government to ask google where we have been, then. No need to waste money on an app.
    Google is not the government and is not trying to rule over me by force of arms, you wanker.

    Get a life you bunch of whingers you could be helping to save a life or two!

    We are doing more to save life by trying to keep totalitarian government in check, which has probably already caused more deaths than Kung flu has.

    And what is it that makes you think anyone actually really cares about where you go – you are just not that important sunshine. Get over yourself.

    They certainly seem to care now, and may we suggest you read a fucking history book.
    Or look at China today.
    Ignorant fuckers like you are the reason we are in this mess.

  47. John A

    Struth #3418958, posted on April 19, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    What’s the infected person doing roaming around?

    Look, this is not logical, and they don’t care, because they have the guns.

    If someone has been found to have the virus THEY SHOULD BE QUARANTINED at home and shouldn’t be out.
    You phone won’t magically know they are a carrier, FFS.
    If they have been tagged as a carrier, and these people want to track you in case you get too close, then I’m sorry, but that doesn’t help quarantine, that helps tyranny.

    Exactly. And since, as someone above pointed out, the Bluetooth range is well beyond the 2m range of transmission to which we are restricted, the scope for false positives must be huuuuggge.

    Yes, I may be buying a spare phone with a cheap sim by the looks of things.

  48. RobK

    The technocrats revenge.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement?wprov=sfti1

    Technocracy advocates contended that price system-based forms of government and economy are structurally incapable of effective action, and promoted a society headed by technical experts, which they argued would be more rational and productive.[7]

    The coming of the Great Depression ushered in radically different ideas of social engineering,[8] culminating in reforms introduced by the New Deal.[7][8] By late 1932, various groups across the United States were calling themselves technocrats and proposing reforms.[9]

  49. Botswana O'Hooligan

    This is a giant Wuhan (fvck up) of all times and will be the equivalent of an ankle bracelet tracker paid for by ourselves.

  50. Struth

    Yes, I may be buying a spare phone with a cheap sim by the looks of things.

    No they pay for phone, app and monthly bills.

    Then lose phone.

  51. Mindfree

    I just don’t get what all the fuss is about? You can be tracked by your mobile phone now. Google knows exactly where you are and how much you have spent and on what. Get a life you bunch of whingers you could be helping to save a life or two! And what is it that makes you think anyone actually really cares about where you go – you are just not that important sunshine. Get over yourself.

    You really don’t get it – look at what is happening in China using that technology. So if you’re happy to be tracked, monitored, tagged and your liberties depend upon it go right ahead and submit yourself

    Better still go back to your rock crawl under it, it’ll make you feel better

  52. Dr Faustus

    You would have to be pretty naive to think the same won’t happen with a contact tracking app in time.

    Only an absolute swine, a fucker, someone with guilty secrets and up to no good, would object to this useful application being extended to cover off on organised crime, terrorism, child abuse, human trafficking, and offences against the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Act 2020.

    The justice system would protect the very few victims of unintended consequences.

    We’re All In The Greater Good Together.

  53. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Hey Struth. You are a pointless, worthless fuckwit and obviously ignorant to boot. I’ll bet you are one of these wankers that fought little old ladies over a roll of toilet paper at the local supermarket. Get back into your bunker and give the rest of us a break!

  54. RobK

    JohnA,
    The Bluetooth signal strength could be a proxy for distance in the app and it apparently has a time of exposure function. Great. How does it judge actual virus vector strength-who knows. Surface contamination?
    Im not onboard with this one as yet.

  55. Struth

    Hey Struth. You are a pointless, worthless fuckwit and obviously ignorant to boot. I’ll bet you are one of these wankers that fought little old ladies over a roll of toilet paper at the local supermarket. Get back into your bunker and give the rest of us a break!

    Well , with an argument like that, I’ve been sat right on my arse.

    Fuckwits like you need to learn that it’s better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

  56. Helping to save lives!

    No.

    Truth be told, it is the elderly who are punching on and hoarding.

  57. mh

    I treasure the government knowing as little about me as possible,” Mr Joyce told Nine newspapers.

    Not to mention his wife and daughters.

    😆

  58. Mindfree

    you could be helping to save a life or two

    Have the same attitude last year, the year before and the year before when flu season hit. I didn’t notice that when that occurred as it does each year, our political masters shutdown the economy and brought in a tracking device to monitor people who had possibly flu like symptoms then (yeah use Google for that)

    No, you probably didn’t

  59. Kneel

    “Will this app be forcibly downloaded to all phones by carriers?”

    If this is a serious concern for you (not saying it shouldn’t be), then you should investigate “rooting” your android phone and using standard firewall software – this will enable you to control which apps can access which resources (BT, GPS, contacts etc) even after you “allow” them access during the standard install procedure. This is useful in any case – an app that is data hungry can be only allowed WiFi network access, never 3G/4G/5G data and as far as it is concerned, such resources are simply “unavailable at this time”, not “permission denied”.
    Yes, there is a possibility that you could “brick” your phone doing this, but if you take care to understand the process, this is unlikely – take your time, be meticulous, and you and your phone will be fine.

  60. The Australian Government should rather focus on getting their new MyGovID App working so that people can attend to their ATO and other government administrivia. To start with yet another project now when they have unfinished business already. Naturally, the government will be outsourcing the Apps development so they can keep agile in the face of ever changing services.

  61. What Perfidious Albino said.

    I thought this was an Apple/Google thing, they would have the data, they already have it for a lot of people. It would just record bluetooth ID’s of anyone you walked past. If somone presented with the virus the Govt could ask Apple/Google to send a message to the people they walked past in the previous week, suggesting you should be tested and the app displaying a green dot.. You would present to your nearest test centre with your green dot. This way they can do all sorts of statistical calculations, even send random people to be tested in certain regions for statistical control. This way the only info the Govt. would get is a stream of people turning up to be tested.

    My order of Govt. suspicion is Emporer Xi, Mr Andrews of Victoriastan, Mr Hunt, then Google, then Apple.

    I’d be happy to trade off being issued a green dot on my phone for free testing if it allowed low risk regions to get back to work earlier without overwhelming the health system and the cost of unnecessary testing (Austria claims each of their tests costs US $140?, a good reason to minimise these.)

    Or am I just a milquetoast libertarian.

  62. Some History

    Don’t pick on Bunty [very tempting 🙂 ]. He’s a good little boy doing exactly what the nice people in “benevolent” gubmnt or Big Corp demand of him.

    Saving Lives™
    We’re All In This Together™

  63. lotocoti

    My Fed. Mem. has declared in the local rag that his personal preference was for the government to have as little to do with his personal life as possible, choice we should all be free to make.

  64. Struth

    My order of Govt. suspicion is Emporer Xi, Mr Andrews of Victoriastan, Mr Hunt, then Google, then Apple.

    And you don’t know who the next lot of totalitarians are after them, or after them.
    You’ve just given away your location or your kids and grand kids location to a future Atilla The Hun, Hitler, Or whoever, and they won’t be long in showing up with this amount of power.

  65. Bruce

    Will they force us at gunpoint to buy a fancy phone so they can “monitor” us?

    Will they instruct the Telcos to block all “dumb” phones?

    Will they, also at gunpoint, go house to house, demanding the inhabitants “show their papers / phones”?

    The answer to such questions is almost certainly; YES. Tattooing numbers on people’s arms is SO last century.

    It has come to this and it will end in tears before “bed-time”, for a LOT of people.

    Good luck, folks; we’re all going to need a LOT of it.

  66. Crossie

    Mindfree
    #3418885, posted on April 19, 2020 at 12:58 pm
    He is exactly the type of week fool the public service ordered to be its its puppet. For the Deep State, he is one of theirs.

    Tom, eggsactly – he is now on display as a puppet and it looks as if it’s the UN via WHO not to mention Dan Andrews and the unconstitutional National Cabinet

    And Paul Murray gives him fellatio each time he’s on PML

    It is rather disconcerting but understandable as he stated on air some time ago that they are friends. I take his lauding of ScoMo with a giant pinch of salt meaning I disregard it completely.

  67. Professor Fred Lenin

    I still have the plans 9for a simple cheap efficient guillotine , the way these csreer polliemuppets and their government aparat are going we may have need of guillotines to sort out the swamp, they are drunk with power ,and thats not a good thing to let fifth rate muppets have , a great deal of sorting out will be needed . A suggestion to morrison and co ,reduce all politicians and public employees salaries to the Centrelink $ _1500 a fortnight , you pollies know thats the right thing to do .

  68. Pete of Perth

    Reminded me of this fellow screwing with Google maps traffic
    https://youtube.com/k5eL_al_m7Q

  69. Mullumhillbilly

    Recording in phone only lists of Bluetooth IDs a phone has been inclose proximity to, is a vastly different thing to routinely and regularly uploading location data to a centralised server.
    Think of the jobs created ! All those bathroom doors and shopping trolleys and elevator buttons and public transport surfaces to be fitted with Bluetooth! (h/t Tel)

  70. Iampeter

    Uh-oh. Now all the nationalists are sad that the government is going to monitor everyone’s movements.
    You must all oppose the existence of nation states.

  71. stackja

    Petering out which nation state you?

  72. Tim Neilson

    Uh-oh. Now all the nationalists are sad that the government is going to monitor everyone’s movements.
    You must all oppose the existence of nation states.

    Poor old logic fail Iamashiteater.

    Being in favour of the existence of something does not mean being in favour of everything that that thing could be used for.

    Being in favour of the existence of motor vehicles doesn’t mean I’m in favour of terrorists ploughing them into crowds of people.

    Being in favour of the existence of the electricity system doesn’t mean I’m in favour of giving people electric shocks.

    Being in favour of the existence of the nation state doesn’t mean I’m in favour of every action proposed by every government of a nation state.

    You really should be spending time looking for a job rather than beclowning yourself so incessantly.

  73. H B Bear

    They can call it The Australia Card app.

    It would be un-Australian not to download it.

  74. jupes

    Reading the comments in the Oz on this and you won’t be surprised to know that the majority of people want this app.

    They still believe the government is working for their best interests.

  75. yarpos

    Senator Andrew Bragg comes across as a bit of a fool to be the “chair of an IT enquiry” IT , like any other tool is not inherently good or evil, it depends what you do with it. I’m sure Andrew Bragg thinks those highly detailed lists the Germans maintained in the late 30s early 40s were really good ideas as well.

  76. H B Bear

    Woah what rabbit hole have I gone down when Barnaby starts talking sense?

  77. yarpos

    “The WHOLE IDEA is that the app will communicate with other versions of itself and with the whole world advising that you are not diseased.” I thought the whole idea was to just record lingering proximity with other devices, to then be used later when it was discovered that an owner was diseased. That and of course to record if you were speaking ill of Commandant Dan.

  78. H B Bear

    The only consolation is you can count on Stuart Robert to stuff it up.

    Will never happen.

  79. bradd

    Right now the Government has its foot on my throat and everyone else’s. If it takes such an app to encourage the Government or the Administrative State to free us and limit the ruination of the economy, then I would do it.

    I do wonder, though, if the app, once downloaded, can be deleted, say in a few months.

  80. Russell

    The government says that it will be completely secure.

    This is really very easy. When the security fails (as it certainly will), the gov will simply apologise and say it was an “inadvertent” error in the testing of the app. This is Standard Operating Procedure for gov agencies and gets them off the hook every time.
    Tell ya what – I’ll install the app if this Senator James Bragg promises to go to jail if any security leaks are detected. Oh – he’s not that brave? Neither am I.

  81. This is really very easy.

    Does anyone remember statistical linkage keys?

    LOL

    With some “script kid” code and knowing their names and DOB, people could look at the files of Mick Trumble and Louise Milligan if they really wanted to.

    The government says that it will be completely secure.

    Sure.

    Government also said asbestos was safe, Lindy C was a murderer and there was no organised crime in NSW and QLD.

  82. They still believe the government is working for their best interests.

    That’s certainly the main flaw in my suggestion.

  83. Chris M

    Perhaps they will do this for HIV carriers also. BTW still waiting on that vaccine apparently.

    Never forget this government was very reluctant to stop people flying in from China in Jan and Feb, not to mention the state governments cruise ship fiascos. The great majority of cases in Australia are due to government ineptitude.

  84. Tel

    I do wonder, though, if the app, once downloaded, can be deleted, say in a few months.

    Most Android phones have factory reset capabilities which have been known to trigger accidentally from time to time, much like you know how the World Health Organization accidentally forgot to tell us about a contagious and potentially deadly disease for several weeks.

  85. Tyler Cowen found a reference to average epidemiologists average base pay being $65k, i’m not sure if this more a reflection of their demand or the supply of statisticians.

    But this is idle speculation, let’s see how the second wave manifests.

  86. Kneel

    “The government says that it will be completely secure.”

    It will certainly be forced to be if it is ever installed on my phone – “completely secure” meaning zero communications in or out, of course. Just doin’ my bit to keep my data secure, OK?

  87. Docket62

    I would think in a very short space of time, I could have a ‘mimic’ app built that look exactly like this app even down to mimic function. It could also be loaded with bullshit data and actually communicate with a real version of the app. So for every piece of information, there will be dis information.

    Not. Happening. Jan

  88. Kneel

    “… a ‘mimic’ app…”

    I love a good reverse engineering challenge, don’t you?

  89. Bones

    I often say, Please Lord deliver me from clever people.

    Now I will have to vary my plea; Please Lord deliver me from clever, stupid people.

  90. Kneel

    Perhaps Bones:
    “Lord give me courage to stand up to stupid people,
    the humility to obey clever people,
    and the wisdom to hide the bodies of all those
    who said they were clever, but were actually stupid.
    Amen”

  91. Docket62
    #3419362, posted on April 19, 2020 at 5:26 pm
    I would think in a very short space of time, I could have a ‘mimic’ app built that look exactly like this app even down to mimic function. It could also be loaded with bullshit data and actually communicate with a real version of the app. So for every piece of information, there will be dis information.
    Not. Happening. Jan

    Fantastic idea.

    Operation Mayhem continues to grow.

    It’s happening!

  92. Professor Fred Lenin

    We are here to help eliminate this covid19 pandemic which did not come from the glorious paeoples republic of China , benefactor of the Andrews government . We assure you this tracking device will not be used for anythingl but tracking the covid19 virus which did not originate in China . [just keep your socialist distancing as it prevents people whispering plots against the government of national unity and spreading fake ideas that the virus came from somewhere overseas . The measures in place are temporary ,maybe only twenty years or so,give or take then years , mistly take . Dissdent people will be quarantined in one star hotels untill they mend their ways and publicly recognisethe virus did not originate in China .

  93. Will this app be installed at the kernel level?

    Is that even possible in an iOS device?

    Then again, a mimicry app on iOS would have to be low key.

  94. Rob

    You want the custodians of our democracy to be able to trace your every movement?
    Then take the App. (They don’t need you to do that anyway)
    Better to close your mobile phone account and remain free.

  95. An interesting video (between 10 sec and 1:30 min)):

  96. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Hi Struth. Looking at your posts it’s apparent that you are a very unhinged and delusional person. I have seen this before, people overcompensating for a deficiency in some area of their life. Please, just accept your micro penis for what it is and for your own sanity move on.

  97. Struth

    Reading the comments in the Oz on this and you won’t be surprised to know that the majority of people who weren’t moderated out, want this app.

    They still believe the government is working for their best interests.

  98. rickw

    How about they all get fucked.

  99. Oh great now we have inummerate, superstitious pro government, misanthropic freedom hating stalkers obsessed with other men’s cocks.

  100. rickw

    Never forget this government was very reluctant to stop people flying in from China in Jan and Feb, not to mention the state governments cruise ship fiascos. The great majority of cases in Australia are due to government ineptitude.

    I work at an airport. I can guarantee you that even when they did get serious it was still a joke.

  101. Struth

    Hi Struth. Looking at your posts it’s apparent that you are a very unhinged and delusional person. I have seen this before, people overcompensating for a deficiency in some area of their life. Please, just accept your micro penis for what it is and for your own sanity move on.

    You got told , accept it.
    You swaggered on to this thread and with a pompous air, made a fuck wit of yourself, and I can tell it’s got your goat, ……………………….this comment proves it.
    Your ignorance is not my fault.

  102. rickw

    The government says that it will be completely secure.

    Is that firearm licensing and registration secure or motor vehicle licensing and registration secure?

    Not that it matters, because security on both these is a joke.

  103. Docket62

    They still believe the government is working for their best interests.

    My issue with this is how the data is used. If you are in contact with a ‘positive’ for example are we to believe the government will make a phone call? Or turn up at your door and issue a quarantine notice enforceable with a tracking ankle bracelet usually reserved for home detention prisoners.

    Or you come into second level contact and they order you into 14 day quarantine (and you lose your job – again!), or third level and you are ordered to have a test, or a recently ‘approved’ vaccine?

    These are not conspiracy theories. The tech exists right now (but not the vaccine). The greatest concern is that this builds massive databases. They can tell not only where you are but where you’ve been and how long you were there for. That data will end up in the hands of people you dont want to have it.

    You receive a fine in the mail for ‘exceeded the speed limit’ on day/date/time/place.. because the APP is GPS synced and can check your speed against the rated speed limit. You go through a controlled intersection with no cameras, but the data signal confirming RED, also confirms you went against it because your data sets can put you within a metre of your location – Snap.

    And according to this they will know your identity – the first point of proof in an offence – because you GAVE it to them freely – with an APP.

    If you choose to give your data out, if you do not SECURE your phone by disabling the tracking, then you are one of the sheep and you deserve what befalls you.

  104. Struth

    I cannot believe anyone could be contemplating this.
    So I ask you, would you be contemplating it if you were not in lock down?

  105. Sydney Boy

    Download the app onto a Huawei phone. Then you can get two govts tracking you for the price of one!

  106. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Hi Struth. Looks like the micro penis thing hit the mark then! Hahahahahah

  107. HT

    Colonel Bunty Golightly
    #3418979, posted on April 19, 2020 at 1:44 pm
    I just don’t get what all the fuss is about? You can be tracked by your mobile phone now. Google knows exactly where you are and how much you have spent and on what. Get a life you bunch of whingers you could be helping to save a life or two! And what is it that makes you think anyone actually really cares about where you go – you are just not that important sunshine. Get over yourself.

    Anybody with any sense of privacy should change their setting to disable tracking by Google (in fact, just don’t use Google, use Duck Duck Go, Firefox or some other search engine that respects your privacy). Set your phone / computer to maintain at at least one level of diffusion, visit your Google Account and change the default settings. Use a VPN, delete “cookies” once a week from your device and use a Password Manager. FFS, take some basic control over what providers or others can see and minimise your digital footprint. The providers like Google, Apple etc, are after all, still bound by laws that provide safeguards, they just don’t turn them on be default! And Telstra etc can only provide data about “you” as an individual via Warrant. Its not hard to minimise your digital footprint.

    Google has no idea where I am, what I bought or how much it cost. Try and Dox me, go your hardest… Besides, if you can’t tell the difference between tracking for marketing purposes (annoying but innocuous) and government enforced tracking (they can actually make your life Hell) then, well, wow. Just, wow.
    As for who cares where I go? Well, actually lots of organisations are interested! By your own admission Mr Google is one. There is a reason so many organisations like to put cookies onto your devices. But ultimately, do you really trust Daniel Andrews to not set the police onto you if “he” could tell if you dared went fishing this weekend, and worse still have the police trawl through your historical geolocation information at their leisure, even at leisure and remotely? Tell me, what is your threshold to trust somebody like Daniel Andrews or his police force with your personal information? How about reading your SMS or emails? Where do you draw the line? Most of your SMS and emails are nothing special, right? Nothing to hide there either…

    Although I acknowledge you didn’t say it but the argument “that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear”, is absolute BS. 1.) Aggregated data is very valuable, what do you think underpins Facebook’s Billions? 2.) As to individual tracking, anybody comfortable with that, to para phrase an important historical figure, doesn’t deserve the freedom our forebears provided us. Everybody who has lived a life has “something to hide”, but that does not mean what they are concealing is a crime, a misdemeanour, was immoral or whatever; its just nobody’s bloody business – period.

    Maybe one day you come to respect other peoples basic human right to privacy. That’s right, even that corrupt cluster-fuck so adored by the Left, the UN, recognises Privacy as a human right: ref, Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 12. https://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf )

    Saving someones life by surrendering our privacy? Lots of tyranny to be found in laws being made for our own good. Thanks, but, no thanks. The government can find an alternate plan for that.

    Lastly, as to getting over myself: nah, I’m all I got, and that’s special enough for me to take care of me and those I love as best as I can.

  108. Squirrel

    I shall be removing the tinfoil from my hat, and then wrapping it around the phone (which is probably too old to take the app, anyway).

    There are already far too many data honey-pots in this country – we don’t need another one, and our governments (all levels) have form – they simply cannot help themselves and cannot be trusted to do what they publicly say.

  109. George Christensen will not download this app.

  110. Rob

    Well said HT. And spot on to Struth for calling out the ‘pompous’ comment.

    I visited East Germany in the 70s and 80s. No such thing as apps back then but Honecker & Co used any quisling with two legs, eyes, ears and a mouth…. and they had them by the millions. That’s what we, as freedom-loving people, are up against.

  111. candy

    In itself it is a good idea. Technology brings better results, we move ahead. That is what technology should be doing.

    Trouble is, who trusts any government these days. It has an invasive feel to it, where personal information is given up to a government department somewhere.

  112. Peter Finch

    Colonel Bunty Golightly
    #3419472, posted on April 19, 2020 at 6:33 pm
    Hi Struth. Looking at your posts it’s apparent that you are a very unhinged and delusional person. I have seen this before, people overcompensating for a deficiency in some area of their life. Please, just accept your micro penis for what it is and for your own sanity move on.

    Such an inane comment creates an oppositional response by any rational person who reads this. I have often found, particularly with psychopaths, that say your dick is so short they are in fact referring to themselves. I must admit I can only say this from a case study of 3 psychopaths who collectively had less than a foot between them.

  113. John Dee

    The level of irony is remarkable.
    Only an absolute swine, a fucker, someone with guilty secrets and up to no good, would object to this useful application
    It is precisely because some individual somewhere in Government might arbitrarily make the same judgement straight off the cuff with no information other than an objection to the program – that sensible people do object to this proposal.
    Modern technology is not always good or for the betterment of mankind.
    Take modern medicine for example – it enables morons to survive their childhood illnesses.

  114. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    To everyone who opposes this sensible move to introduce the virus app on the grounds that it is a violation of civil rights and opens you up to big brother I suggest you do the following
    Destroy your Medicare card
    Destroy your pension card
    Destroy your seniors card (s)
    Smash your mobile phone
    Get rid of your tax file number
    Until you do the above you are totally on the radar and this app will add nothing new. BUT no-one is willing to give up things that provide an income or a safety net are they. Hypocrites the lot of you!

  115. Entropy

    Maybe it isn’t such a bad idea. And it can be so easily expanded for other types of inadvertent mingling you just wouldn’t do if you knew.
    You know, criminals, mother in laws, HIV carriers, anyone with an STD, Victorian Justices, Journalists, politicians, anyone that still attends the Uniting Church, and Rugby Australia Officials.

    Maybe it could be made to vigorously buzz in your pocket, more stridently the closer they get

    Sadly, it will end up being a tool to work out who you have been talking to. And where you have been. For any purpose these nazis think is their right to know. Once done it will be kept around, forever.

  116. Snoopy

    What’s your address, Bunty?

  117. twostix

    And what is it that makes you think anyone actually really cares about where you go – you are just not that important sunshine. Get over yourself.

    The government cares very much where we go at the moment boomer.

    It’s ordered everyone to stay at home and will fine you a thousand dollars if you’re in the wrong place in case you didn’t notice.

  118. twostix

    Destroy your Medicare card
    Destroy your pension card
    Destroy your seniors card (s)
    Smash your mobile phone
    Get rid of your tax file number
    Until you do the above you are totally on the radar and this app will add nothing new. BUT no-one is willing to give up things that provide an income or a safety net are they. Hypocrites the lot of you!

    lol.

    My medicare card isn’t tracking my location and who I’m with and sending it to the government in real time.

    Only a retarded boomer could be this retarded about tech.

  119. Tel

    Get rid of your tax file number

    Don’t I wish.

  120. twostix

    How is having a tax file number relevant to a mobile application that tracks everyone you associate with and sends it in real time to the government to mine and profile?

    It’s makes as much sense as saying “get rid of your baking soda then!”

  121. mh

    I wonder how many Australians will leave home to buy Malcolm Turnbull’s book?

    Anyone found with a copy should be fined.

    Then shot.

  122. The conservative government’s paternalistic impulses have probably been pushed along by that crypto fascist who runs the Department of Home Affairs. I’m talking Mike not the Spud.

    Don’t worry, it’s all for your own good.

  123. twostix

    Why is Facebook worth billions of dollars?

    Because of the data that it has on some people: networks of connections and profiles of people built on those networks.

    They would kill to have this app installed on every phone reporting every persons real life contacts in real time.

    Just once, that’s all they need to know.

    This is how important and how valuable the data they want to collect is. Anyone who doesn’t understand that needs to STFU.

    There’s no government department in Australia that knows how to secure this, and apparently everyone has completely forgotten the Census disgrace.

  124. Bruce in WA

    Hey, Bunty, FOAD!

    I’ll use the power drill to screw my phone to a tree before I’ll download this shit!

  125. Robert

    Ardern (I’m not a fan) made this suggestion: ‘keep a diary of where you’ve been and who you’ve seen’. This was noted in the soviet morning herald as a ‘homespun’ way to trace and protect but to my view it’s practical, super low cost, does not invite snooping on people and discriminatory if leveraged by other organisations.

    Why does the govt want to invest in this app as a temporary measure, if not to achieve other objectives? Singapore’s wuflu numbers have increased in recent days so this tech can’t be doing much good. And the city statelet is not the shining example of a free rough and tumble demos.

  126. twostix

    Equifax – one of the worlds biggest credit ratings agencies was hacked by PLA operatives who stole 140 million American’s credit and personal financial data.

    The mickey mouse Australian government – which is like an open book to China – who couldn’t even run an online census for 20 million people can definitely run and maintain this vast central database of every single Australian’s personal associations and whereabouts without it being exploited.

  127. Chris M

    I cannot believe anyone could be contemplating this.

    Heaps of people have made forward cruise ship bookings, I’m told by one boomer who booked for next year that demand is quite good.

    couldn’t even run an online census for 20 million people

    Well Rudds Fuelwatch was a success, Peter uses it.

  128. Howard Hill

    bradd
    #3419232, posted on April 19, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    Right now the Government has its foot on my throat and everyone else’s. If it takes such an app to encourage the Government or the Administrative State to free us and limit the ruination of the economy, then I would do it.

    This is exactly what they wanted and this is exactly why we’re fucked!
    What a fucking Coward!!!

    People like this make me sick to my stomach!

  129. BorisG

    I treasure the government knowing as little about me as possible,” Mr Joyce told Nine newspapers.

    Hilarious to put it mildly.

  130. BorisG

    Get a life you bunch of whingers you could be helping to save a life or two! And what is it that makes you think anyone actually really cares about where you go – you are just not that important sunshine. Get over yourself.

    Indeed.

  131. Howard Hill

    You truly are a piece of shit, BorisG. A coward and a traitor!

  132. Struth

    Boris G is actually a troll who believes in nothing.
    Shallow is the nicest thing you could say about him.

    The type who started out quite left wing but what he sees here confronts it and exposes it’s evil ignorance.

    He therefore doesn’t really have argument, just snide comments, whereas the dipshit Colonel Bummy come swaggering on here, had his arse handed to him and then , has nothing but cock size and abuse to boo hoo back with, and later some idiotic equivalence of forced government tracking to a medicare card.
    These people vote.

  133. Iampeter

    You can be tracked by your mobile phone now. Google knows exactly where you are and how much you have spent and on what.

    Google tracking you is entirely voluntary and if you don’t like it you don’t have to use Google. Plus you can pretty much disable it.

    That’s very different from if the government forces you to install an app to track you, there’s no option to disable and you basically have no choice in the matter.

  134. Robert

    and not discriminatory if leveraged by other organisations.” Sorry about that typo Cats

  135. Entropy

    Basic steps to reduce the ability of Big Government to know everything about you, who you talk to, when you have been, what your interests are

    Buy an Apple phone.
    Use Duck Duck Go instead of Google search engines.
    Do not sign up to Facebook, Instagram et al. Or any other part of the social media toilet.
    Use anonymous names on line where ever possible.
    Always read the permissions when a newly downloaded asks to activate location services, very carefully and decide which is best for you. Don’t just tap the OK button
    Regularly police location services to see what is tracking you (it’s very easy to keep an eye on it)

    Don’t download government tracking apps. It is too easy for it to decide to change the rules.

  136. Pyrmonter

    Stuart Robert on RN Breakfast (the most respectful treatment a coalition minister has had in decades): no geo-location, encrypted, limited access. Answers a lot of the questions. Link when it goes up.

  137. Rohan

    BorisG earns his Aldi bags of cash again. President Xi is pleased with his useful idiot.

  138. Bill The Bunyip

    we can trust the govt to lie about the apps capabilities. We can trust them to lie about whether it will be a voluntary installation or done by stealth. Lets face it we can trust them to lie about anything that will enhance their agenda. so what we need to do is make it difficult for them. Do we need to take our bloody phones with us everywhere? Do we need to use all these apps that run on our phones/ Some of them make our lives very much easier, but do we need them? Leave the bloody phones in the car or better still leave them at home. Break the leash and roan free.
    If you have to carry a phone then carry it in an RF sleeve. It may not reduce the bluetooth signal much but every bit will help. It may actually reduce the signal to the point it is not able to talk to the phone next to you on the train or in the queue at Gloria Jeans.
    Comply with the edicts but subvert at the same time.
    Where I live out in the WA bush phone signal is localised around our small town and then is pretty much non existent. You have to get on top of a hill for signal. If the fuckers want to know how many flies I have been close to each day I will happily tell them.

  139. Docket62

    What’s your address, Bunty?

    Bunty, Im not sure you realise your IP address is logged every time you post. Its recorded in the metadata each and every time, and can be traced to your exact location.

    We dont need your address. We know where you are, and we dont have an App.

    Your display name is meaningless really

  140. Docket62

    Sadly, it will end up being a tool to work out who you have been talking to.

    There used to be an offence (In Victoria) called ‘consorting’… was used and abused extensively until it was removed from the Summary Offences Act in late 0’s I think. Basically allowed where two or more ‘known’ crooks got together, you could hit them with a charge of ‘consorting’ in order to get them locked up again. Can’t see how coppers would have abused that really?

    Now imagine an App. Remove the ‘known’ bit – because they have the records in a database, and replace it with whatever you like.. and then legislate for ‘consorting with a suspected COVID positive’

    Confined to home detention for a month with an ankle bracelet.

    Nah… cant see it at all

  141. I’m curious how most countries have this tracking app ready to go on short notice, albeit calling it a different name. Who is giving the instructions for what I fear is a plandemic. Economically, all the bubbles were about to burst and now will be blamed on C19.

  142. Bazz

    Hell, what a lot of technically ignorant posters.
    Heaven help the country if this is the level of intelligence of the country.
    It is NOT a tracking system, it is a LOGGING system,
    It records the number of another phone that is close for a set period of time.
    Thats IT !
    So if one of those phone owners becomes infected the Health Dept can ring the listed phones and ask them to be tested.
    If it was you would you get tested or tell them to go to hell ?

  143. For information…

    TracePrivately
    A sample app using Apple’s contact tracing framework, as documented here:

    https://www.apple.com/covid19/contacttracing

    Note: The Apple framework is not actually yet released. This app is being developed using a mock version of the framework based on the published documentation. This will generate false exposures for the purposes of testing and development.

    This app will be evolving quickly as I’m trying to publish new functionality as quickly as possible.

    Objectives
    * Create a fully-functioning prototype that governments can use as an almost-turnkey solution that they can rebrand as necessary and use
    * Implement correct security and privacy principles to maximise uptake of said government apps
    * Remain open source for independent verification
    * Properly use the Apple / Google contact tracing specification
    * Work in a localized manner so it can be used in any language or jurisdiction
    * Create a functioning server prototype that can be used as a basis for more robust solutions that fit into governments’ existing architecture.

    https://github.com/CrunchyBagel/TracePrivately

  144. Kneel

    “Hell, what a lot of technically ignorant posters.”

    Let’s see, I should trust them not to abuse the access I give them for this app.
    Trust the same mob who, after telling us to “social distance” let a whole cruise ship of (potentially) infected people off the dock with no quarentine. Doesn’t inspire much confidence in their ability to manage anything, does it?

    Or they “blocked” pirate web sites – that you will bypass if you have a geo-unblocker DNS service, as many do to get US NetFlix instead of aus version. Doesn’t give you much confidence in their technical abilities, does it?

    They also apparently lied – they said social distancing et al was to “flatten the curve”, that we couldn’t stop it, just slow it down. Yet now, they are saying it’s been stopped and we need to put up with this for 18 months.

    So, I can’t trust them to follow their own rules, I can’t trust them to be technically literate enough to even ask the right questions about security, and I can’t trust them not to change their minds and track in real time, pull location data instead of just BT MAC addresses, monitor what I post on social media etc etc.

    No, I won’t download unless they force me to, and if they force me to, then I will firewall it off completely, and if they say that is no good either, then the battery will go flat and the phone left at one place and that won’t change until I decide it is appropriate. Me, not them. I don’t trust them not to fuck up – they’ve proven they’re not worthy of such trust. And if they insist, then THEY can supply the phone and SIM card and pay the bills, and it will be “inadvertantly” left at home all the time.

    Or maybe someone will make a “lookalike” app that doesn’t actually do anything, but looks like it does, in which case I’ll use that.

  145. Kneel

    “…you won’t be surprised to know that the majority of people who weren’t moderated out, want this app.”

    Well DUH!

    Survey 1:
    Q1: Are you concerned about the consequences to you and your loved ones of COVID-19?
    A1: Yes!
    Q2: Do you think government should do all it can to contain this and protect you from it?
    A2: Yes!
    Q3: Would you support a phone app so government can track contacts of infected people?
    A3: Yes!

    Survey 2:
    Q1: Are you concerned with government obtaining your private information without a direct need to have it?
    A1: Yes!
    Q2: Are you concerned that government cross references data from multiple agencies in order to penalise you for innocent mistakes?
    A2: Yes!
    Q3: Would you oppose a mandatory government phone app that tracks your location and records who is nearby to you?
    A3: Yes!

    See? A perfect balanced sample. It’s all in the lead-up questions.

  146. Docket62

    It is NOT a tracking system, it is a LOGGING system,

    You are a dickhead.

    Its uses the GPS signal from your handset to geo locate you. Thats ‘tracking’. It records who you are, where you are, time, day, date and place. It will also suck any other info out of your data like ALL THE CONTACTS you have and you wont even see an option to stop that.

    then it uploads all that to a server, and uses an analysis tool to determine the threat level. And then of course they ‘ring you’. Of course they do..

    And what do you think becomes of the data? Ask Facebook

  147. Howard Hill

    Bazz
    #3420266, posted on April 20, 2020 at 9:46 am

    Hell, what a lot of technically ignorant posters.
    Heaven help the country if this is the level of intelligence of the country.
    It is NOT a tracking system, it is a LOGGING system,

    The level of ignorance displayed in this post alone should frighten the shit of you.

    Before you can make use of data you’ve logged, you need to know where that data came from. And before you can warn another person that a person next to them is infected, you need to know the location of both.
    FMD, and he’s calling other posters morons.

  148. Bazz

    Docket62, it uses Bluetooth, are you saying that they will attach GPS data to the Bluetooth beacon ?
    If so let me know how they do it.

    I think you are confusing the Bluetooth beacon with the phone beaconing. Quite a different function.
    That is what you hear about the cops locating people in tv programs. That works over tens of kms but the
    Bluetooth beacon has a much shorter range, in the order of metres.
    That is what you use to link your phone to your car radio when you pair them.
    So I presume you will tell the doctor that rings you where to go.

  149. Bazz

    No Howard Hill you do not need to know where they are located.
    All you need is their phone number.
    The system would not have the GPS anyway.
    The short range of Bluetooth is what makes it so valuable. You then know they were close together.
    That and the phone number is all that is needed.
    Any way if the doctor rings you tell him he is a dickhead and to go away.

  150. All you need is their phone number.
    The system would not have the GPS anyway.
    The short range of Bluetooth is what makes it so valuable. You then know they were close together.
    That and the phone number is all that is needed.
    Any way if the doctor rings you tell him he is a dickhead and to go away.

    You’re wrong, clearly it requires GPS or tower signals to work, but anyway.

    Doesn’t that scare the mother loving shit out of you?

  151. Kneel

    “All you need is their phone number.”

    Yet all you have is their bluetooth MAC address. I’m not aware that there is a currently available way to turn one into the other. You might, maybe, be able to get the IMEI of the phone from the BT MAC address, then use carrier records to turn that into a phone number – maybe, if you have the appropriate paperwork/power to extract phone numbers from IMEI’s from all three mobile network carriers.
    Unless of course, when you register the app, it grabs your IMEI, BT MAC and “links” them at the server end and then queries the carriers to find the phone number last used by that IMEI – if you swap SIM cards, that will stop it working (even on same carrier) until it “catches up”.
    It’s looking more and more intrusive the more I look into it.

  152. RobK

    The mickey mouse Australian government – which is like an open book to China –
    Even ASIOs new club house blueprints were stolen before the building was completed.

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