Monday Forum: April 20, 2020

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  1. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Now that was the right time to look in!

  2. Nick

    A a nice new thread.smells of pot pouri.

  3. feelthebern

    This is too much.
    Corrupt data by corrupt tax hoovers.
    If you want to go out, it’s your choice.
    If you want to stay home & self-isolate, it’s your choice.

  4. feelthebern

    Smells of French candle.

  5. Geriatric Mayfly

    A a nice new thread.smells of pot pouri.

    With the current Plague upon us that should be ‘a nosegay.’

  6. Nick

    Smells of French candle.

    Shh. Don’t tell LL, he’s in a spot of bother. You know the story, social conscience, poor youth in hospital, stack of basil and citrus scented candles, French, natch, just sitting in the larder, a mercy mission of bravery, and well. Let’s not go any further.

  7. Leigh Lowe

    I got bullied off the last Open Fred.
    Hoping for happier times here.

  8. NoFixedAddress

    Hey jellybean from the jungle

    Whereabouts in Vietnam did you meet your Cuban Communist Handlers?

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/latin-america/253466-cubas-role-vietnam-war.html

  9. Roger

    Malcolm Turnbull faces lifetime ban from Liberal Party.

    You can do many things to undermine the Liberal Party and its principles (cough) and be considered an upstanding member.

    Just don’t publish a book about your exploits.

  10. Boambee John

    Still in the rugby team, as long as the Vicar of Rugby hasn’t abolished it overnight, to preserve funds for RA administration.

  11. calli

    I have a cruise booked for next year.

    🎯

  12. feelthebern

    Will one journo ask ScoMo, Pony Girl, Gladys, Hunchback etc if they will release all the data regarding all the punters who have carked it or been infected?
    If not, why not?

  13. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern
    #3420255, posted on April 20, 2020 at 9:41 am
    Smells of French candle.

    The two nuns in the French convent dormitory after lights out.
    Nun # 1 : “Where’s the candle?”
    Nun # 2 : “It does doesn’t it.”

  14. feelthebern

    Malcolm Turnbull faces lifetime ban from Liberal Party.

    Has been politician to be hit with lettuce leaf from dying/legacy political party.

  15. Nick

    I got bullied off the last Open Fred.
    Hoping for happier times here.

    I was telling Blinky, or was it Bunty, about the beastliness you have endured. On a libertarian blog no less!
    The mehmsab said it’s probably the sort of lot who think that Dijon is an American basket baller.

  16. harrys on the boat

    The WA government really are shithouse. Yesterday, proudly announce the buying of hundreds (thousands?) of ventilators. Despite the fact we only have 6 people in ICU and only 113 active cases and that ventilators are now known to do fuck all and in some cases make the situation worse.

    They also announce that the Smart Freeway opening of a section of the Kwinana freeway is being delayed due to the UK experts can’t fly over. This would be the same UK experts who put the same technology on UK motorways to deadly affect. The use of smart motorways in the UK has been halted as they have become death traps.

    These fucking idiots are in charge.

  17. Ellie

    Who is going to purchase Turnbull’s book? Apparently someone in Morrison’s office converted it to a PDF file and leaked it over the internet. Why buy it when you can get it for free!

  18. feelthebern

    If only numbers had munched on a candle.
    Oh the humanity.

  19. calli

    C’mon guys! I’m up for a dash of bullying today.

    Shunning just doesn’t cut it.

  20. calli

    Who is going to purchase Turnbull’s book?

    TP and papier-mâché enthusiasts.

  21. Ellie

    In a scrum with Nuck and Leigh Low. I have an advantage – I am a Kiwi.

  22. feelthebern

    Shooting in Canada.

  23. Ellie

    Australians can’t play rugby

  24. John Brumble

    The WA governments ability to spend vast amounts of money for no good purpose to the benefit of foreign companies where there existing Australian companies that deliver a better product is unmatched.

    There’s a leading Australian supplier of smart roadways with technology currently in use on highways in Queensland, Victoria and South Australia.

    And it’s not the only area where government-controlled entities are wasting public money on their own private interests.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    Tom
    #3420273, posted on April 20, 2020 at 9:49 am
    Laughed out loud, LL.

    Well, I am glad someone finds it funny.
    Prue could be up for thousands simply because the poor can’t read French or appreciate European apothecarian finery or soft furnishings.
    Prue is inconsolable.
    Nigel (her current husband, the QC) is saying that, if the case goes badly, it will be no Aspen this Christmas.
    I do blame myself somewhat.
    When the little tyke was frothing at the mouth I dismissed it as just another “mummy’s medicine bottle” incident.
    It should have been a hint that his breath smelt of orange rind and crushed basil, and not the usual KFC nugget induced halitosis.

  26. calli

    Queensland – no new cases
    Vic – one
    NSW – six

    Despite huge numbers of tests.

    What’s the R0 now?

    The thing has fizzled.

  27. Nick

    I have a cruise booked for next year.

    Border control: ok Mrs, name?
    Calli: Calli Bushpruner
    Border control: ok, which of the following have you participated in? The buffet coughing conga, the chicken dance while eating KFC or get your tits out night ?
    Calli: none of those, I did attend an interesting lecture on medieval tapestry making
    Border control: grab her lads, we’ve a quarantine case here.

  28. notafan

    Is light hearted mocking bullying?

    I thought the world’s greatest linguistic expert could discern the difference.

    I wonder how the cruise companies will fare in the new year.

    It doesn’t look promising.

  29. Cell tower triangulation is not that accurate.

    AFAIK
    What the tower knows:
    The phone, signal strength (proxy for distance) at tower and phone.
    So get out the compass and start drawing intersecting circles.
    This can (given line of sight, lots of towers) give a location down to a few metres. In worst case, somewhere within a ~10-15 km radius.

    What the phone knows:
    Ditto.
    Plus, depending on what is switched on, GPS coords, nearby wifis, BTs etc.
    If you trust Android and Apple, the phone does not give up its information to anyone without your permission.
    Googles location services and GPS are potentially good enough to establish if you are jay walking.

  30. woolfe

    New apple IOS update, hmmmmmmmm

  31. notafan

    However it appears Victorian golf courses are going to reopen.

  32. Ellie

    Nota – I don’t get the whole cruise scene. And I am not talking with a gay accent.

  33. Zatara

    De Blasio has criticized the $2tn coronavirus relief package that Trump signed last month, saying New York only received $1.4bn from the stimulus, compared with around $58bn for the airline industry.

    Apples and orangutans. De Blasio is Mayor of the most heavily taxed cities in the entire US and enjoys an uninterrupted cash flow to run his city.

    Airlines that don’t fly, hotels that don’t have guests, etc. etc. don’t have the luxury of taxing to provide a constant cash flow to pay their survival costs. Dead businesses will not be employing people and providing services when the nation comes out of this crisis.

  34. Rafe Champion

    I don’t want to be the first to say it in public with any mention of likely suspects but when are the words ‘negligence’ and ‘criminal’ going to turn up in the vicinity of conversations where there is discussion of the policy and planning of the electricity system? Hint – refer to Paul Miskelly 2012″Wind Farms in Eastern Australia – Recent Lessons” Energy and
    Environment
    , December. Paywalled most likely but I will blog on it this morning.

  35. Leigh Lowe

    Amazing coincidence.
    Just as I was typing the story about the candle muncher, Mrs L was complaining that the hand-painted table runner she bought in Aix en Provence has faded in the harsh Australian sunlight.
    No longer matches the table napkins.
    I said nothing.
    One doesn’t when it is so close to home, does one?

  36. calli

    Nice try, Nick. Cough, cough.

    😁

  37. Nick

    Prue could be up for thousands simply because the poor can’t read French or appreciate European apothecarian finery or soft furnishings.

    I say steady on. I had no idea of the extent of poverty in this country. I asked Mamdoo to bring me another Armagnac, French of course, but the one with the better terroir, and then it hit me, we should start a foundation to truly meet the needs of all of these poor chaps and gels out past Carlton and give them the start they truly need, French lessons. What more could they want, after who wants to be at dinner asking for a spot of Brie and it’s Camembert?

  38. Mother Lode

    Calling Sydney Cats – Have any of you had any experience of Montagio tailors?

  39. Ellie

    Show us your bruises LL.

    Ha! If they were from me, he wouldn’t be able to sit in front of his computer.

  40. notafan

    Yes it

    But if I’m inside my gps drifts badly.

    And I know in large parks without nearby wifi iPads drift madly.

    So yes it is possible but is the government tracking us all right now, all the time?

    I don’t think so.

  41. Caveman

    I would let Virgin Air burn then have a rebuild ,it’s not like anyone’s going anywhere in a hurry. But to have two States start fighting over a smelly carcass as to where the HQ will be is quite sad and funny. There might be method in their madness …na it’s madness.

  42. Nick

    Mrs L was complaining that the hand-painted table runner she bought in Aix en Provence has faded in the harsh Australian sunlight.

    The sun is so antipodean here.

  43. calli

    Hmmm. Knock and Run just delivered some SOE Pumpa and Kennedy and a few Ned and Henrys.

    Quarantine, schmarantine.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    I am a bit dirty about the table runner meself.
    Cost me a pineapple and the colours ran like an African when a car alarm goes off.

  45. notafan

    Me neither Ellie.

    Zero appeal to me.

    Each to their own.

  46. Tim Neilson

    Apparently someone in Morrison’s office converted it to a PDF file and leaked it over the internet. Why buy it when you can get it for free!

    That’s just too hilarious.

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving recipient.

  47. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Poor Leigh Lowe getting bullied. It sometimes happens to poor Bunty as well. Comes from having a point of view that doesn’t sit well with the herd! Actually I think I got threatened rather than bullied? Never mind.

  48. Hay Stockard

    Good morning.
    Didn’t make the top ten but I am ready to accept a particapants award.
    How is everyone enjoying the start of another week under the dead hand of Government?

  49. Roger

    However it appears Victorian golf courses are going to reopen.

    Why…Andrews will have blood on his hands!

  50. calli

    Calling Sydney Cats – Have any of you had any experience of Montagio tailors?

    What do you need a tailor for? Work from home means never getting out of trackie daks.

    The New, and Comfortably Dressed, Normal.

  51. feelthebern

    If this doesn’t show everything the tax hoovers in Canberra have zero idea about small business, nothing will.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/jobkeeper-changes-demanded-as-businesses-face-solomon-like-choices-20200419-p54l3y.html

  52. calli

    You looking for a Chinese Burn, Golightly?

  53. harrys on the boat

    Queensland – no new cases
    Vic – one
    NSW – six

    Its over, has been for weeks.

  54. cohenite

    From last thread:

    Dramatic moment Bondi’s most ‘well-known and polite local’ is taken down by police and handcuffed for ‘trying to swim’ during coronavirus lockdown

    Bit of payback from the wallopers:

    Dimitri Moskovich, one of the Bondi’s most recognisable citizens, in January renewed his campaign to rid Bondi of mounted police, claiming they treat the national icon as a ‘horse toilet’.
    Speedo-wearing Mr Moskovich works out every day at one of Sydney’s most famous landmarks and is fed up with the sight of horse droppings on the beach.
    The 54-year-old launched his latest call for action on social media accompanied by pictures of horse droppings befouling the promenade on January 26.
    ‘Happy Australia Day from Australian Mounted Police!’ his Facebook post begins.
    ‘What a Fabulous Greeting! Thank you everybody on The Police Force For Such a Considerate Gesture!’
    Mr Moskovich then addressed the police commissioner and commander of the New South Wales Mounted Police Unit, hoping his message would reach them.

    It reached them Dimitri.

  55. feelthebern

    I am a bit dirty about the table runner meself.

    The ex-wife demanded a table runner at all times.
    I just don’t get it.

  56. Mak Siccar

    Eleventy- eleventh!

  57. calli

    If I seem upbeat, it’s because the customer who was wasting my time with the CCT has decided on a small settlement. It chafes the spirit, but the time and effort is more costly than paying the creep off.

    Onward and Upward.

  58. Nick

    Hmmm. Knock and Run just delivered some SOE Pumpa and Kennedy and a few Ned and Henrys.

    Quarantine, schmarantine.

    Well there we were at the lifeboat drill, dearest had her diamonds on, one can’t be too sure who you will be sharing one’s emergency transportation while fleeing a burning ship, and this voice pipes up, something about the agricultural sector, some sort of manual work. I immediately asked for the purser that instant! We had a stateroom, we had passed bon mots with the Captain the night before while quaffing a passable St Emilion. Who knew such people travelled on ships these days?

  59. cohenite

    In other news proving the fuckwits are winning:

    Star-Studded ‘One World’ Benefit Concert for the W.H.O. Sparks Outrage: ‘Commie Propaganda’

    The line-up of stars for the event included Taylor Swift, Paul McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Beyonce, Oprah Winfrey, Jennifer Lopez, Elton John, and Lady Gaga, who even described W.H.O. Director-General Tedros Adhanom as a “superstar.”

    The concert also attracted contributions from political figures such as former first ladies Michelle Obama and Laura Bush, as well as celebrity supporters of the cause including former soccer star David Beckham and Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

  60. Old School Conservative

    calli
    #3420272, posted on April 20, 2020 at 9:49 am
    I have a cruise booked for next year.

    From The Australian:
    Helloworld boss Andrew Burnes says international travel is at least nine to 12 months away from returning, foreshadowing New Zealand and possibly the South Pacific would likely be the first destinations reopened for business.

    On the cruise front, the Helloworld CEO said the sector would return to popularity following increased health and safety measures but this was likely not until mid next year. Mr Burnes foreshadowed that cruise companies needed to beef-up their health and safety measures to include near ICU facilities on-board.

  61. nfw

    Any updates on:
    1. Peter Big Man Dutton tracking down the shelf strippers who caused the panic buying and then sent the goods to China? Big Man was going to have the AFP track them down and prosecute them! Seems to have gone quiet for some reason. I wonder if The WHO’s masters told him to back off?

    2. That local member from Gosford who was looking for non-NSW residents? That’s gone quiet too. I wonder why? Was she getting too close to Chinese, yeah right, students who are here on visas which automatically indicates they are not residents?

  62. NoFixedAddress

    Either the government is currently tracking us all in real time all the time now, or it isn’t.

    Here’s the bloke that can answer all your questions, with a straight face, and he has a degree in electronics engineering from the South Australian Institute of Technology.

    Director-General of Security, Mike Burgess
    Mike Burgess is Australia’s fourteenth Director-General of Security.

    The Director-General of Security is a statutory office holder who leads the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) and provides impartial advice to government on threats to Australia’s national security.

    Mr Burgess has spent more than three decades as an intelligence, security and technology professional, in both the public and private sectors.

    Prior to joining ASIO, Mr Burgess was Director-General of the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD). The agency’s motto is ‘Reveal their Secrets, Protect our Own’.

    Mr Burgess first joined ASD’s predecessor, the Defence Signals Directorate (DSD), as a collection engineer in 1995. He held a range of senior roles including Deputy Director for Cyber and Information Security, and Deputy Chief of Facility at the Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap.

    After nearly twenty years at the agency, Mr Burgess moved to the commercial sector. He worked as Chief Information Security Officer at Australia’s largest telecommunications provider, Telstra, and as an independent cyber security consultant. In early 2018, the Prime Minister asked him to return to ASD as Director-General.

    Mr Burgess has also served as a member of the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board, the Prime Minister’s expert panel for Australia’s 2016 Cyber Security Strategy and the board of the Australian Cyber Security Growth Network.

    https://www.asio.gov.au/director-general-security.html

    He can be contacted here

    Written inquiries

    Director-General
    ASIO Central Office
    GPO Box 2176
    CANBERRA ACT 2601
    General inquiries

    Central Office switchboard
    1800 020 648 (toll free)

    https://www.asio.gov.au/contact-us.html

  63. Old School Conservative

    Sorry calli.
    Only realised you were stirring the pot after I’d posted.

  64. twostix

    Will one journo ask ScoMo, Pony Girl, Gladys, Hunchback etc if they will release all the data regarding all the punters who have carked it or been infected?
    If not, why not?

    How about those fuel reduction numbers and the causes of the bushfires?

    Remember the last “All In This Together” “biggest crises since WW2” we had…eight weeks ago?

    The same is going to happen to the actual infection numbers and real analysis after this.

  65. Struth

    There is only one reason to keep your chin up, or maybe a couple.

    President Donald J Trump and the United State’s second amendment, and the other is our government pushing too far, and keeping this going too long.

    If this site goes down, and we get the level of internet control the Chinese gets before we get our freedom back, we won’t know what is going on in the States.
    Then we are toast.
    Hence I believe first pushback can’t come soon enough and Anzac day is perfect for a start.

    The next stage, as we are unarmed, should be ridicule and sabotage.

  66. Mother Lode

    I was thinking of getting another suit later in the year. After we are all permitted to pry open our front doors and wander out confused, and dazzled by sunlight.

  67. Boambee John

    The 54-year-old launched his latest call for action on social media accompanied by pictures of horse droppings befouling the promenade on January 26.

    Camels providing tourist rides on a northern NSW beach wear bum bags to catch the droppings. Can’t something similar be made for police horses?

  68. Struth

    I put a request in to the local council last week for some tree trimming to be done for my truck access, and bugger me, they’re here already and working.

    If this doesn’t let you know something is wrong, what will make you believe?

  69. calli

    Oh, it’s true, OSC.

    I’m booked on Queen Elizabeth ex Singapore next March for 28 days, finishing in Tokyo. Booked it an age ago. Like most things in life, horses for courses. I like self-guided travel too, but sometimes it’s nice to veg out and let someone else do the work.

    I never imagined travel the lazy way could be so risky and fraught. I feel quite a daredevil now.

  70. Ellie

    Talking to myself on the old Fred.

  71. Struth

    Camels providing tourist rides on a northern NSW beach wear bum bags to catch the droppings. Can’t something similar be made for police horses?

    The bag of shit is on top of the police horse.

  72. Will one journo ask ScoMo, Pony Girl, Gladys, Hunchback etc if they will release all the data regarding all the punters who have carked it or been infected?

    Yeah. I want all the data, except their names and addresses (postcode will do).

    The raw data would be enlightening, I’m sure.

  73. cohenite

    In case head prefect is still drooling over skanky French actresses here’s another photo of a genuinely beautiful woman:

    Liz.

  74. areff

    Re-posted from dead Fred:

    Just in case the ABC decides to take a closer look at her “advocacy journalism”, Milligan drops to her metaphoric knees and pleasures the boss.

    @Milliganreports· 13h
    I want to say that we at the ABC are incredibly lucky to have an MD in David Anderson who champions important journalism & genuinely cares about the wellbeing &, yes, safety, of those of us who strive to undertake it. Knowing we have David steering the ship is hugely comforting.

    The left, they’re either at your throat or at your feet.

  75. calli

    Yeah. I want all the data, except their names and addresses (postcode will do).

    The raw data would be enlightening, I’m sure.

    We have four “active” cases here. Nearly a month old.

    Long recovery time? Or just trying to scare the locals?

  76. Ellie

    Re-posted from dead Fred

    Fred died in his sleep.

  77. John64

    However it appears Victorian golf courses are going to reopen. Why…Andrews will have blood on his hands!

    I’m certain I heard the schmuck say don’t play golf because you might kill someone but unfortunately I can’t find the clip.

  78. feelthebern

    Fred has now been classified as a COVID19 death.

  79. harrys on the boat

    FMD the One World WHO fund raiser. How out of touch are celebrities? Trumps broken them, he really has. If they had any shame they’d fucking die of it.

  80. Geriatric Mayfly

    I want to say that we at the ABC are incredibly lucky to have an MD in David Anderson who champions important journalism & genuinely cares about the wellbeing &, yes, safety, of those of us who strive to undertake it.

    If Anderson supports the likes of you Milligan, then it is pretty clear that the trouble with the ABC starts at the top.

  81. Nick

    I want to say that we at the ABC are incredibly lucky to have an MD in David Anderson who champions important journalism & genuinely cares about the wellbeing &, yes, safety, of those of us who strive to undertake it.

    I dunno. That sounds like a crawl job from someone worried that she is about to be dropped like a hot pie. Nah, must be my imagination.

  82. Bar Beach Swimmer

    We need a full public inquiry with Royal Commission powers into the public health acts and their pandemic plans to include, but not be limited by, use of police powers and loss of individual liberty.

    No one could’ve believed before this all happened that, sitting quietly below the surface of dept of health powers was restraint of trade, house arrest, loss of free movement into normally used public areas except for plague ship reprobates, and control of internal borders.

  83. ryki

    I’m certain I heard the schmuck say don’t play golf because you might kill someone but unfortunately I can’t find the clip.

    Transgressing any single emergency decree will kill grandma until such time as the lockdowns no longer have popular support. At that point, any support for any aspect of the lockdowns will kill grandma.

  84. feelthebern

    It would hard for Dan Andrews to play golf.
    That hunch back would cause havoc with his swing.

  85. feelthebern

    According to numbers one person playing golf in Victoria is a death sentence to him.

  86. notafan

    LL and Nick very funny.

    I have a rellie who mixes in certain circles*.

    She had a friend who I can imagine saying such things.

    ‘She’ doesn’t care for middle class people but has a certain affection for the working classes (at a safe distance).

    Out loud.

    *Fairly incompetent agriculturalists now cruising on wind farm royalties.

  87. twostix

    Cell phone tower triangulation is nowhere near accurate enough to track people at the level of this app, there are blackspots all around, single towers servicing many outer suburbs and even in the city flakey reception.

    So no they aren’t magically tracking us all at the level that this app does.

    Governments use tower data to prove someone was roughly in a specific area at a certain time when the data is available. For more accurate information ask Google to hand over the persons location data. They don’t dare ask that for the entire population. Nobody would ever trust Google Maps again and even then GPS data fails all over the place and is not accurate enough to reliably know that two people were literally standing next to each other – right now google maps thinks I’m standing on my boundary fence 20 metres away.

    Mopey eye-ore “they magically already know everything anyway so why bother trying” losers need to fuck off.

  88. Mother Lode

    @Milliganreports· 13h
    I want to say that we at the ABC are incredibly lucky to have an MD in David Anderson who champions important journalism & genuinely cares about the wellbeing &, yes, safety, of those of us who strive to undertake it. Knowing we have David steering the ship is hugely comforting.

    The one concerns that seem not to even rate a mention in her encomia to the ABC is the fact that she and they got it totally wrong, an innocent man spent a year in prison, resources squandered, and she herself as her only claim to fame is leeft clutching a now comprehensively discredited book – which she wrote and promoted under the ABC aegis.

    Louise, you were wrong. As wrongliestly wrong with wrongness as ever wrongfully wronged the wrong man. The ABC is not there to protect that dismal failure merely because it is their kind of wrong, you bobble-headed moo-cow.

  89. Mother Lode

    That hunch back would cause havoc with his swing.

    He putts all along the fairway.

  90. ryki

    Mopey eye-ore “they magically already know everything anyway so why bother trying” losers need to fuck off.

    You have to love such self-defeating arguments.

    Clearly the app is giving the government something they don’t already have otherwise why would they bother to ask for it?

  91. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’m certain I heard the schmuck say don’t play golf because you might kill someone

    If you yell out ‘Wuhoo’ they might duck the incoming projectile.

  92. Ellie

    Compliance through intimidation. It’s where we are now. Conservatives need to protest! Do a Struth, as I will be doing.

  93. notafan

    If golf is okay why not tennis?

    Just no racket sharing.

    I saw a dad and son having a hit on a practice wall the other day.

    Outrageous lawbreakers!

    I rang 000 several times!

  94. Spider

    Farmer Gez

    A blonde bint on the commercial news last nights claimed Trump was not telling the truth when he said the US was doing well compared to Europe with the exception of Germany

    I have made the same point many times to others. The USA has 330,000,000 people more than five times more than Italy. You can be almost be certain that if this had occurred under Obama’s watch they’d be quoting per capita figures. But with Trump the press and social media are positively salivating at the thought that these deaths had occurred on his watch. The hyperbole of “the worst situation in the world” and followed up with a snarky “Trump thought it was like the flu” or video of Alex Jones driving down the street or an interview with some random nut job who thinks we should get back to work. Just disgraceful partisanship.

  95. notafan

    Thank you Twostix!

    My GPS often wanders 300 metres or more.

  96. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I want to say that we at the ABC are incredibly lucky to have an MD in David Anderson who champions… muck raking, sleaze, tin ears, biased reporting and abuse of power

  97. Leigh Lowe

    However it appears Victorian golf courses are going to reopen. Why…Andrews will have blood on his hands!

    Ubër flog léftié Justin Smith on 3AW on Saturday giving the Wéstérn Bulldogs rosé drinkér a fréé pass.

    Mental elf, not sure if playing footy or when, cabin fever, yada, yada.

    Then seamlessly moves on to Sam Newman who stood on the steps of Parliament House in full golf gear as a protest.
    Apparently Sam, who broke no laws, needs to be executed for encouraging disobedience.

  98. harrys on the boat

    Hasn’t this non-event shown Dr’s up for being the green voting totalitarian xunts they are?

    Exhibit A Dr Clay Golledge – what a fuckwit.

  99. Roger

    The ABC is not there to protect that dismal failure merely because it is their kind of wrong, you bobble-headed moo-cow.

    But that is in fact what they have done – defended her reporting at the editorial level.

  100. Zatara

    Clearly the app is giving the government something they don’t already have otherwise why would they bother to ask for it?

    Give that man a cigar.

  101. Ellie

    Stuth – Elizabeth Hurley is hot!

  102. areff

    Worth remembering that Justin Smith was a Pell tormenter. Neil Mitchell taught him everything he doesn’t know.

  103. sfw

    Struth, she’s gorgeous, has bad taste in men.

  104. Mater

    right now google maps thinks I’m standing on my boundary fence 20 metres away.

    Mopey eye-ore “they magically already know everything anyway so why bother trying” losers need to fuck off.

    It most certainly improves the accuracy of the data.
    Most importantly, though, by downloading the app, you’ve given them approval to openly use it (and act on it).

  105. twostix

    No one could’ve believed before this all happened that, sitting quietly below the surface of dept of health powers was restraint of trade, house arrest, loss of free movement into normally used public areas except for plague ship reprobates, and control of internal borders.

    At best we can charitably say when all you have is a hammer every problem is a nail.
    Mid-range charitably would be to say they’re just testing out their shiny new toys.
    The lowest level of charity would be to suggest that we have a dangerous class of godless, immoral, vicious, punitive bullies in charge of some of our governments who whipped out the most aggressive weapons at their disposal and unleashed them upon the everyman with a certain smug glee and inner-excitement.

  106. Ellie

    Shane Warne was punching below his weight. He could spin a maiden over though.

  107. calli

    genuinely cares about the wellbeing &, yes, safety, of those of us

    Has Jumbles had death threats?

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Cell phone tower triangulation is nowhere near accurate enough to track people at the level of this app,

    Not how it works.
    The proximity tagging is done via Bluetooth, with an approximate location provided by towers.

  109. Cardimona

    This app frees the government to act on the data without needing a cover story or plausible deniability.

    Mater at 0923 on the OOF; I have very few apps on my phone and I never turn on the location function.
    Call me a hick, but I’ve never used an electronic navigator or tracker of any sort.
    But I do use gmail on the phone so I know Gulag is reading them and generally spying for profit.

    But how does the government get it?
    Does Gulag just copy them in on everything?
    Or do our Dear Leaders pay Gulag for the data that they’ve harvested from us?

  110. Cardimona

    Sorry, quote fail…

    This app frees the government to act on the data without needing a cover story or plausible deniability.

    Mater at 0923 on the OOF; I have very few apps on my phone and I never turn on the location function.
    Call me a hick, but I’ve never used an electronic navigator or tracker of any sort.
    But I do use gmail on the phone so I know Gulag is reading them and generally spying for profit.

    But how does the government get it?
    Does Gulag just copy them in on everything?
    Or do our Dear Leaders pay Gulag for the data that they’ve harvested from us?

  111. Roger

    If golf is okay why not tennis?

    If hairdressing is OK why not therapeutic massages?

  112. Top Ender

    Lotsa police horses and similar throughout the world have a sort of bag arrangement to catch the recycled grass and so on.

    “NSW finest” too proud or what?

  113. Megan

    If golf is okay why not tennis

    My question exactly. Apparently it’s the balls that are a problem. As is often the case in other, ahem, sports.

  114. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I think The App does give them something else: a wider use beyond the next pandemic. pandemics must be wonderful things for big Govt’s. More control, not less, more powers not less, and a greater ability to, without direct or ongoing scrutiny, extend it all out further.

  115. notafan

    I don’t have Bluetooth enabled.

  116. Struth

    Struth, she’s gorgeous, has bad taste in men.

    Still I wouldn’t kick her out of bed for farting.

    That is yuuuuuuuuummy.
    numunumnumnumnum

    Anyone can look good in their 20’s.

  117. Leigh Lowe

    If golf is okay why not tennis?

    Just no racket sharing.

    I saw a dad and son having a hit on a practice wall the other day.

    Outrageous lawbreakers!

    I rang 000 several times!

    I think if your complaint is about tennis you call “love-love-love” rather than “000”.

  118. cohenite

    Now this is a Liz, not bad for 54

    Bod ok but she looks like a possum on meth.

    More real Liz, tits and all.

  119. I look forward to Milligans 2nd book about how actual evidence or lack of allowed an innocent man to be set free.

    Incidentally did she ever question Portelli and others who were in the procession that day ?

    Talking of the ABC has Ita come out in support of her poor picked upon biased organisation recently ? She is lucky most of the country is working from home as we hardly noticed her working before anyway.

  120. sfw

    Cohenite, Liz T was pretty good but Sophia Loren was better.

  121. JC

    cohenite
    #3420375, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am

    In case head prefect is still drooling over skanky French actresses here’s another photo of a genuinely beautiful woman:

    Liz.

    Cronkite, the problem with “Liz” was that she got really fat in her older years. Not good.

    Also, Richard Burton once complained that she was too hairy. (True, by the way, he actually said that).

  122. Zatara

    If public voting is directed but public assembly is outlawed, this isn’t about health.

    It’s about manipulation.

  123. Arky

    These table runners.
    Where are they taking the tables?
    Is it some kind of catering company?
    How do you get a job as a table runner? will I need a heavy truck license?

  124. NoFixedAddress

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3420388, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:41 am

    We need a full public inquiry with Royal Commission powers into the public health acts and their pandemic plans to include, but not be limited by, use of police powers and loss of individual liberty.

    No one could’ve believed before this all happened that, sitting quietly below the surface of dept of health powers was restraint of trade, house arrest, loss of free movement into normally used public areas except for plague ship reprobates, and control of internal borders.

    Check this

    Richard Sullivan, a professor of cancer and global health at King’s College London, says: “The number of deaths due to the disruption of cancer services is likely to outweigh the number of deaths from the coronavirus itself over the next five years. Cancer screening services have stopped, which means we will miss our chance to catch many cancers when they are treatable and curable.” Charles Swanton, Cancer Research UK’s chief clinician, says some tumours will become “inoperable” rather than survivable.

    The terrifying conclusion must be that there will be a non-Covid health crisis when this pandemic is over. Far more will suffer and die from otherwise treatable conditions as many go undiagnosed and untreated for the next six months. Their families will not forgive or forget.

    Matt Hancock, the health secretary, refuses to give a figure for the potential non-Covid fatalities from this catastrophe but the cabinet was told it could be up to 150,000 avoidable deaths.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/will-the-shutdown-cause-more-deaths-than-it-saves.php

    And this

    the health care system is not overwhelmed, “it is underwhelmed and being damaged.”

    [H]ealthcare workers are being laid off and furloughed in droves as a result of healthcare centers having neglected patient care not related to COVID-19 in fear of a COVID-19 surge that failed to materialize on a nationwide basis. This means tens of millions of patients are failing to receive the medical care they need in a timely manner. Almost every hospital outside of the hotspots is empty.

    And it’s not just small suburban or country hospitals that are affected. “Mayo Clinic is empty: 65% of the hospital beds at Mayo Clinic are empty, as are 75% of the operating rooms. This is the world’s premier medical center. If Mayo Clinic is empty, imagine how dire the situation is at smaller, community-based healthcare centers.”

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/18/a-deadly-if-dutiful-deference/

  125. cohenite

    Also, Richard Burton once complained that she was too hairy. (True, by the way, he actually said that).

    WTF are you talking about, hairy. With Dick he was probably talking about hair of the dog.

  126. calli

    Hard to believe Hurley made her debut in a Morse episode. As a very convincing schoolgirl, at age 24.

  127. JC

    sfw

    Doofus (Cronkite) reckons she’s ugly and it wouldn’t be a port in the storm he care to visit on very late Friday night.

  128. JC

    WTF are you talking about, hairy. With Dick he was probably talking about hair of the dog.

    That’s what he once said about her. Ask him, but he’s dead.

  129. calli

    He couldn’t do without her. Married her twice.

  130. cohenite

    Cohenite, Liz T was pretty good but Sophia Loren was better

    On a par I reckon:

    Sophia young

    Sophia mature

    As much as I hate to agree with head prefect Liz got a bit porkers as she aged, but she did have a lot of ailments.

  131. Bar Beach Swimmer

    The lowest level of charity would be to suggest that we have a dangerous class of godless, immoral, vicious, punitive bullies in charge of some of our governments who whipped out the most aggressive weapons at their disposal and unleashed them upon the everyman with a certain smug glee and inner-excitement

    But, Twostix, all done with the best of intentions – you know, that old adage: you’ve got to be cruel to be kind. But used on an industrial scale.

  132. Leigh Lowe

    notafan

    #3420432, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:00 am

    I don’t have Bluetooth enabled.

    This is how the tech would work:-
    When phones of persons A, B and C come within a few metres of each other and/or for several minutes they record the contact via Bluetooth.
    Towers would say the contact happened around the corner of Smith and Jones streets in Upper Bumfuck West.
    When person A is subsequently diagnosed, B and C notified to get tested and go into quarantine.
    This is how the regulations would work:
    Those who opt in will have relaxed restrictions.
    Those who don’t opt in will still have to suffer the Great Lockening.
    Oh, and if you opt in and leave your phone at home or turn off bluetooth? …
    Ka-ching!
    $1650.

  133. JC

    Struth
    #3420410, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Now this is a Liz, not bad for 54

    She’s finding it really hard going into her older years and doesn’t appear to be dealing with it very well. Every other day, there are pics of her in the Mail in a another slim bikini.

  134. calli

    Liz (T) broke her back, I think. A riding fall.

  135. According to numbers one person playing golf in Victoria is a death sentence to him.

    Boilerplate Catallaxy.
    Show me where I posted that.
    If silly buggers want to play golf (an excellent way to pay money to spoil a nice walk) good luck to them.
    I wouldn’t go near a golf course at the best of times.
    They’re populated by cashed up bogans who drive around in battery powered machines, completely ruining the opportunity for healthy exercise.
    And they’re a health hazard.
    I had $200 worth of damage done to the aluminium bonnet of my MX5 by a stray golf ball when I drove past a local course a few years ago.
    It’s a stupid game, as can be verified by the lunatics who play it.

  136. Ellie

    When you lay on your back, can you kiss your nipples.

  137. cohenite

    According to numbers one person playing golf in Victoria is a death sentence to him.

    Let’s all get out and play a round then.

  138. Farmer Gez

    Monash University has produced modelling to show without the restrictions in Victoria, we would have had over 650 deaths and thousands of new infections a day.
    Dial a model.
    No explanation as to why even stricter measures in Europe is still producing similar numbers to the model projection.
    Adjusted for population density? Bet not.

  139. Arky

    According to numbers one person playing golf in Victoria is a death sentence to him.

    ..
    If it’s that easy, I’ll take the stupid game up.
    How do we ensure he is walking past at the right time though?

  140. sfw

    Ellie, demonstration please.

  141. MemoryFault

    When you lay on your back, can you kiss your nipples.

    No, which is why it is better that you lie on your back.
    Then I’ve got two nipples to choose from.

  142. Infidel Tiger King

    Exhibit A Dr Clay Golledge – what a fuckwit.

    Can’t stand these fauxperts the media can drag out at a moments notice to drum up trouble just as things are getting back on track.

    That Dr is a complete knob.

  143. Tom

    If hairdressing is OK why not therapeutic massages?

    Not in Dickhead Dan’s gulag. My hairdresser has had her business shut down by the state government. Like many other small businesses, it will be a miracle if she re-opens after six months of paying commercial rent with no income.

    Dickhead Dan couldn’t give a fuck about small business. His only allegiance is to the CFMEU, with the construction industry exempted from the economy-wide shutdown in Victoriastan.

  144. Ellie

    Ellie, demonstration please.

    Butt we can’t offend Numbers. I kinda like him. He’s cute, in a Vietnam way.

  145. calli

    If you’re wondering why I refer to Milligan as “Jumbles”, it was those photos of cleavage. Reminded me of the biscuits.

    And playing fast and easy with the truth.

  146. Anthony

    Tan Milligan’s hide when she’s dead, Fred.
    Tan Milligan’s hide when she’s dead.
    So they tanned her hide when she died, Clyde.
    And that’s it hanging on the shed.

    Altogether now…

    With apologies to fair dinkum writers – there’s no doubt she deserves the serve she’s getting.

  147. Old School Conservative

    Those who don’t opt in will still have to suffer the Great Lockening.

    LL, that’s just what Gottliebsen is advocating in today’s Oz.

    “TraceTogether is vital. So while we might start with the voluntary program, we must link it to government money.”

  148. Boambee John

    He putts all along the fairway.

    Don’t knock it, I regularly use a putter to get out from the rough under low hanging branches. A good whack can easily travel well over 100 metres.

  149. twostix

    Clearly the app is giving the government something they don’t already have otherwise why would they bother to ask for it?

    Even Facebook has never tried asking its users for this.

    The privacy and social implications are unlimited.

    You only need you to turn it on once for a few days and the government and the hoards of public health “experts” who will be given access to the data will map your entire real-life network, your social class your social world – who you are in the real world – rather than the fake online world, forever.

    You can quit facebook. You can guard your online persona and reasonably easily fool it and google.

    You can’t ever change being categorised as reactionary, or belligerent, or obedient, or an influencer or easily influenced, based on your real life connections and real life every day behaviour which you cannot alter.

    Based on this you’ll be subject to “nudge” politics, targeted enforcement, targeted policy, policy experimentation, etc.

  150. MemoryFault

    Then I’ve got two nipples to choose from.

    Of course, that’s assuming you’re after some nipple.
    A naked woman lying on her back target rich environment.

  151. I posted on the other thread, in it’s death throes, that the Education Department in Queensland are apparently going to do work on Survival Day, rather than Australia Day. It’s in the Courier Mail. Can’t link for whatever reason from my end, can anyone do that please?

  152. Old School Conservative

    “Tracetogether”
    Yet another example of words being propagandised to create 1984-like compliance.

  153. Struth

    NFA, the government know this.
    They know the cure is worse than the disease.
    Because they know the disease was just an excuse. Nowhere except the USA are governments even humouring the idea of easing restriction.

    This situation will soon cause violence.
    If they can keep us down until we are mentally beaten then there will be no violence and and easing of one or two restrictions, sort of, just enough for us to feel just how lucky we are that they allowed us Sunday on the beach every second weekend.

    That sort of shit, and we will be tracked to ensure no gatherings are happening.

    The latest two deaths are two 90 somethings in an old folks home.

    Really,…… insanity.

    People who have come out of communism say the very worst thing about it is the insanity.
    The government tell you lies.
    They know you know it’s lies.
    They tell you anyway, and just do as they wish, by point of gun.

    They say it’s a form of sickening abuse, and makes you feel so hopeless.

    If they just said, we are locking you in your houses because we want control and to steal any wealth you create, they say that is less soul destroying than being bullshitted to.
    Having to constantly listen to government bullshit was one of the worst things about communism.
    Because they keep it up.
    Just like now.
    Turn on the television and it’s constant fearmongering because two 90 year old blokes died in an old folks home……………..it’s insane, and it’s meant to be.
    You start to doubt yourself and your convictions.

  154. twostix

    “TraceTogether is vital. So while we might start with the voluntary program, we must link it to government money.”

    Waht they’re saying is they’ll starve you out if you don’t accept it.

    They collapse the economy then tell you to accept the new order or starve.

    Like the Soviets did.

  155. Bar Beach Swimmer

    From now on anyone – family or friends- who so much as even think about joining in the diabolical “frivolities“ of plague ship cruising is off my Christmas Card list for evah!

  156. MemoryFault

    Clearly the app is giving the government something they don’t already have otherwise why would they bother to ask for it?

    My goodness! Why didn’t I think of that?
    I mean, it’s not as if the current government would lie to us, would they?
    They’re a LIBERAL government, after all. Not some Leftie outfit.

  157. feelthebern

    Pamela Williams has a column in the AFR today.
    The tongue bathing makes you vomit.

  158. twostix

    “TraceTogether is vital. So while we might start with the voluntary program, we must link it to government money.”

    This is the same stick that they used to force mass vaccination for children on parents, by the way.

    Like the same arguments for abortion were later used for euthanasia.

    You opened the door for it, so get ready for it to be used on you now.

    It’s better to stop these things at the beginning than the end.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern

    #3420485, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:30 am

    Pamela Williams has a column in the AFR today.
    The tongue bathing makes you vomit.

    No sub.
    What is it about?

  160. You can be almost be certain that if this had occurred under Obama’s watch they’d be quoting per capita figures.

    Here are some of the pro capita figures (deaths per million) – USA – 123; Spain – 437; Italy – 391; France – 302; Germany – 55; UK – 237.
    Others worth considering are – Australia – 3; Russia – 2; Canada – 42 and China – 3.
    It appears that countries with widely distributed regional populations (such as Oz) do a lot better than countries which are predominantly conurbations.
    How much effect the shutdowns are having is unclear, but it’s noteworthy that countries where social discipline is cultural (Germany) fare much better than countries where it isn’t (Italy).
    New Zealand, which has few entry points, is faring very well – (2 per million).
    The comparatively high mortality rate in the USA is probably a function of their health system and wealth distribution in New York and Washington. If you overlay indices of wealth distribution with deaths per million you get a pretty convincing correlation. Louisiana (278 per million) is a case in point.
    The mortality rate in Cuba (3 per million) is exactly the same as Australia.

  161. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I wouldn’t go near a golf course at the best of times

    Ok, that’s good enough for me; I’ll join one!

  162. Boambee John

    BBS

    But, Twostix, all done with the best of intentions – you know, that old adage: you’ve got to be cruel to be kind. But used on an industrial scale.

    Another old adage: The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

  163. Ellie

    I get you, Numbers. I don’t see you as a Jooo hater. Kudos to you. You have massive testicular fortitude. The grunts rock their socks off, but they don’t wallow in their dirty socks.

  164. Struth

    Totalitarians never shut up because whenever the people decide to take back their futures, they can.
    They fear the people, even if they have the guns.

  165. EvilElvis

    Ms Woodall and Ms Challenor must decide which of them will be covered by JobKeeper, which pays $1500 a fortnight, and who will go on to JobSeeker, which pays $1100.

    From feeltheberns link above. I was under the impression that jobseeker was $1500 a fortnight as well?

  166. Old School Conservative

    Here you are BB. It’s paywalled.

    The intro:
    “STUDENTS will learn about “Survival Day’’ in place of Australia Day in politically-correct lessons set by Queensland Education for parents to police at home.

    A Year 8 English task asks students to analyse a news article in The Koori Mail, titled “Groups set for Survival Day’’, as part of home schooling lessons set for the coronavirus lockdown.

    The article is an account of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander events and activities planned to mark “Survival Day’’ on January 26, 2011 (sic).”

  167. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I posted on the other thread, in it’s death throes, that the Education Department in Queensland are apparently going to do work on Survival Day, rather than Australia Day. It’s in the Courier Mail. Can’t link for whatever reason from my end, can anyone do that please?

    Students to study ‘Survival Day’ rather than Australia Day

    One of the first lessons some Queensland home-school parents will oversee this week will involve the study of “Survival Day” in place of Australia Day.
    NATASHA BITA, The Sunday Mail (Qld)
    Subscriber only
    |
    April 19, 2020 12:00am

    STUDENTS will learn about “Survival Day’’ in place of Australia Day in politically-correct lessons set by Queensland Education for parents to police at home.

    A Year 8 English task asks students to analyse a news article in The Koori Mail, titled “Groups set for Survival Day’’, as part of home schooling lessons set for the coronavirus lockdown.

    The article is an account of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander events and activities planned to mark “Survival Day’’ on January 26, 2011.

    “Note that ‘Survival Day’ refers to the public holiday often referred to as ‘Australia Day’,’’ the lesson sheet states.

    “The use of the term ‘Survival Day’ acknowledges the Aboriginal history of Australia and highlights issues associated with European colonisation.

    “You will have found that this news article did a decent job of providing a reliable account of events, using descriptions that are free of bias or personal viewpoints.’’

    The “Survival Day’’ lesson is among the two weeks’ of lessons and assignments published on the Education Queensland website, for students learning from home.

    Opposition leader Deb Frecklington called on the state government to “get back to basics’’.

    “The Labor government should not be forcing political viewpoints on our kids, especially during a worldwide pandemic,’’ she said yesterday.

    “Now more than ever, the education system needs to get back to basics of English, maths and science rather than pushing ideological agendas.

    “You don’t have to tear down Australia Day to actually recognise the achievements and history of indigenous Australians.’’

    Ms Frecklington said the real issues facing indigenous communities were life-threatening but preventable diseases, substance abuse, domestic violence and unemployment.

    Queensland Education Minister Grace Grace said Ms Frecklington would have “flunked’’ the Year 8 English lesson.

    “Considering other points of view, interpreting the validity of content and evaluating the credibility of sources is a key part of not only the year eight English curriculum, but also politics and life in general,’’ she said.

    “It seems Ms Frecklington has failed to identify the bias in this exercise and subsequently flunked week one of Year 8 English.’’

  168. MemoryFault

    They tell you anyway, and just do as they wish, by point of gun.
    They say it’s a form of sickening abuse, and makes you feel so hopeless.

    Don’t be silly, Struth.
    We have a LIBERAL government. They just don’t do things like that.
    Not like the Leftie crowd at all.
    That’s why everybody must vote Liberal. Cos at least they’re not Labor.

  169. cohenite

    It appears that countries with widely distributed regional populations (such as Oz) do a lot better than countries which are predominantly conurbations.

    Australia is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in the world you moron.

    FFS, someone go and play a round of golf.

  170. Boambee John

    I had $200 worth of damage done to the aluminium bonnet of my MX5 by a stray golf ball when I drove past a local course a few years ago.

    Does the pelican live near Middle Ridge? Nice area, perhaps he really did pay $15,000,000 in tax!

    PS, lots of golfers, even older ones, walk the course with their bag on a buggy. Pelican resorted to stereotypes about electric carts, probably learned about golf by watching Caddyshack.

  171. Dr Faustus

    Come closer:

    Ask yourself one simple question:
    If Big Government was already tracking everybody’s every smallest movement, using the awesome super-secret ultra-accurate power of Tower Triangulation, and was desperate to suppress the fact of their totalitarian mass-surveillance capability, but was desperate to improve Covid19 case tracking – Why would they be stamping around like elephants in the political and legal minefield of running out a controversial, mass-surveillance Bluetooth contact tracing app?

    The truth is like an onion.

    Must go now, I can hear Black Helicopters overhead.
    Nanoo Nanoo.

  172. Hay Stockard

    Struth,
    I thought at first you were being a touch histrionic.
    Now,I think you should dial it up a few notches.
    Nothing good is coming out of the Governments lately.
    Quite the opposite. Stinking brain farts and tyranny.

  173. calli

    Another old adage: The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

    Have a card

  174. Ellie

    Can someone please make me breaky. Thank you in advance. X

  175. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3420490, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:32 am

    You can be almost be certain that if this had occurred under Obama’s watch they’d be quoting per capita figures.

    Here are some of the pro capita figures (deaths per million) – USA – 123; Spain – 437; Italy – 391; France – 302; Germany – 55; UK – 237.

    Were those pro capita figures provided pro bono?

  176. harrys on the boat

    no cases for SA.

    So
    QLD = 0
    Vic = 1
    NSW = 6
    SA = 0

    We can assume the ACT and NT are zero, Tasmania – who cares – and WA will also record below 5.

    We need 6 more months of lock downs.

  177. Australia is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in the world you moron.

    So in other words, you’re conceding that the lockdown is effective.
    We are also an island without land borders which helps.

  178. MemoryFault

    Poached eggs on a muffin, runny yolks, just as you like them Mistress.
    Coming right up.

  179. Ed Case

    The comparatively high mortality rate in the USA is probably a function of their health system and wealth distribution in New York and Washington

    New York has large numbers of blacks and hispanics who don’t follow Social Distance rules and tend to have poor diets. They are where the disease is hitting hard.
    South Dakota, South Carolina and Arkansas are at the base of the Socioeconomic pyramid, haven’t enforced any shutdown, yet are also the least affected by Covid-19.
    How do you account for that?

  180. Struth

    Will you shut the fuck up with your numbers, numbers, because your numbers are fudged numbers, which has been proven.

    Although you drool over disciplined cultures like that of the Germans compared to the Italians, the Germans only recorded cause of death from Corona virus when it was cause of death.

    The bloody USA have rabid left wing globalist states intent on Bringing down Trump’s USA.
    The adding of 3700 deaths to the list of Kung flu deaths in the NY that have been openly declared to be only guess work, means , basically if you get shot in the head and die, the CoD is corona virus.
    They also have financial incentive to claim CoD as Corona virus.

    We are way past you coming here sprouting bullshit from the MSM as facts.

    This is political, and you, you complete fuckwit, prove it.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    I had $200 worth of damage done to the aluminium bonnet of my MX5 by a stray golf ball when I drove past a local course a few years ago.

    And therefore, ladies and gentlemen, that is why you all need to be herded into you state-owned apartments and have the door welded shut.

  182. Old School Conservative

    When did Invasion Day morph into Survival Day and why?

  183. Nick

    Sometimes sadness just speaks for itself

  184. twostix

    STUDENTS will learn about “Survival Day’’ in place of Australia Day in politically-correct lessons set by Queensland Education for parents to police at home.

    A Year 8 English task asks students to analyse a news article in The Koori Mail, titled “Groups set for Survival Day’’, as part of home schooling lessons set for the coronavirus lockdown.

    This is why the education union fought tooth and nail to keep schools operating, then ran dead on continuing the normal curriculum, instead, amazingly, just letting parents do whatever the feel is right. This after 50 years of threatening parents if they did so.

    They know we’re going to see the fucked up shit that crazy old Numbers and his ilk have snuck into our children’s classrooms and deliberately tried to conceal from us.

  185. feelthebern

    Oh mighty Doomlord.
    I can’t see your name on this letter to ScoMo.

    http://covid19openletter.net/

  186. Boambee John

    Here are some of the pro capita figures (deaths

    Are pro capita [sic] figures like per capita figures, but massaged by professionals?

  187. Dr Faustus

    Government Services Minister Stuart Robert inadvertently explains why HappyTracker 1.0 is such a worrying concept:

    “It [phone number data] would stay securely encrypted on your phone,” Mr Robert said.

    “If I was confirmed positive, my data goes up to a central data store, only to state health officials, no-one else, and then they could rapidly call anyone I had been in close contact with.”

    Mr Robert repeatedly said Commonwealth agencies and law enforcement would be unable to access the information.

    I’ll only believe this when Dr Normal Swine tells me it’s true.

  188. ryki

    It’s better to stop these things at the beginning than the end.

    I tried.

    I seem to recall very few libertarians were willing to stick their necks out though.

    In fact, Leyonholm (or whatever) actually supported No Jab No Pay, rationalising to himself that this was stance was “libertarian” because people weren’t owed taxpayer dollars. He was completely oblivious to the fact that the government was always going to use this precedent again for mass social engineering programs.

  189. Boris G:

    The good news is that with all these measures it is growing linearly, not exponentially. But that may change if they lift restrictions.

    The restrictions will be lifted only when the cold weather returns.
    That way the total will continue to rise and allow the Collectivists to trumpet about how the ‘lockdown must continue’ and ‘it could have been worserer’.

  190. Ellie

    Sometimes sadness just speaks for itself

    Name who you are talking to, Nick. Your dear lady has departed. You must be proud. How’s that rooster? Our there proud and loud.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    Ellie

    #3420507, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:41 am

    Can someone please make me breaky. Thank you in advance. X

    Here.
    Have some bath salts topped with aromatic candlewax.

  192. lotocoti

    Before anyone starts jumping to conclusions over health systems and wealth distribution,
    a small reminder:
    SWE – 148.38 deaths per million.
    USA – 119.28 deaths per million.
    IRE – 117.65 deaths per million.

  193. Boambee John

    It appears that countries with widely distributed regional populations (such as Oz) do a lot better than countries which are predominantly conurbations.

    Now I see where “pro” capita came from.

    What proportion of the Australian population live outside the Tweed Heads to Noosa, Newcastle to Cronulla, Westernport through Melbourne to Geelong, Edinburgh through Adelaide to Victor Harbor and Kwinana to northern end of Perth conurbations?

  194. Thank you Old School Conservative and Zulu Kilo Two Alpha. There won’t be any let up will there? Despite us living in comfort, increased opportunity in anything you desire. But there you go.

  195. thefrollickingmole

    Did moist/turgid just post figures showing the US doing better on a pro bono basis than the EU while whining the Yanks were incompetent.
    Why yes, yes it did.

  196. Ellie

    Here.
    Have some bath salts topped with aromatic candlewax

    Candle wax is underrated. I like. Thank you, LL.

  197. johanna

    On Our Selection Chapter Eleven:

    On Our Selection
    Chapter XII
    Kate’s Wedding
    Steele Rudd

    OUR SELECTION was a great place for dancing. We could all dance—from Dan down—and there was n’t a figure or a movement we did n’t know. We learned young. Mother was a firm believer in early tuition. She used to say it was nice for young people to know how to dance, and be able to take their part when they went out anywhere, and not be awkward and stupid-looking when they went into society. It was awful, she thought, to see young fellows and big lumps of girls like the Bradys stalk into a ballroom and sit the whole night long in a corner, without attempting to get up. She did n’t know how mothers could bring children up so ignorantly, and did n’t wonder at some of them not being able to find husbands for their daughters.

    But we had a lot to feel thankful for. Besides a sympathetic mother, every other facility was afforded us to become accomplished. Abundance of freedom; enthusiastic sisters; and no matter how things were going—whether the corn would n’t come up, or the wheat had failed, or the pumpkins had given out, or the water-hole run dry—we always had a concertina in the house. It never failed to attract company. Paddy Maloney and the well-sinkers, after belting and blasting all day long, used to drop in at night, and throw the table outside, and take the girls up, and prance about the floor with them till all hours.

    Nearly every week Mother gave a ball. It might have been every night only for Dad. He said the jumping about destroyed the ground-floor—wore it away and made the room like a well. And whenever it rained hard and the water rushed in he had to bail it out. Dad always looked on the dark side of things. He had no ear for music either. His want of appreciation of melody often made the home miserable when it might have been the merriest on earth. Sometimes it happened that he had to throw down the plough-reins for half-an-hour or so to run round the wheat-paddock after a horse or an old cow; then, if he found Dave, or Sal, or any of us, sitting inside playing the concertina when he came to get a drink, he would nearly go mad.

    “Can’t y’ find anything better t’ do than everlastingly playing at that damn thing?” he would shout. And if we did n’t put the instrument down immediately he would tear it from our hands and pitch it outside. If we did lay it down quietly he would snatch it up and heave it out just as hard. The next evening he would devote all his time to patching the fragments together with sealing-wax.

    Still, despite Dad’s antagonism, we all turned out good players. It cost us nothing either. We learnt from each other. Kate was the first that learnt. She taught Sal. Sal taught Dave, and so on. Sandy Taylor was Kate’s tutor. He passed our place every evening going to his selection, where he used to sleep at night (fulfilling conditions), and always stopped at the fence to yarn with Kate about dancing. Sandy was a fine dancer himself, very light on his feet and easy to waltz with—so the girls made out. When the dancing subject was exhausted Sandy would drag some hair out of his horse’s mane and say, “How’s the concertina?” “It’s in there,” Kate would answer. Then turning round she would call out, “J—oe, bring the concer’.”

    In an instant Joe would strut along with it. And Sandy, for the fiftieth time, would examine it and laugh at the kangaroo-skin straps that Dave had tacked to it, and the scraps of brown paper that were plastered over the ribs of it to keep the wind in; and, cocking his left leg over the pommel of his saddle, he would sound a full blast on it as a preliminary. Then he would strike up “The Rocky Road to Dublin”, or “The Wind Among the Barley”, or some other beautiful air, and grind away untiringly until it got dark—until mother came and asked him if he would n’t come in and have supper. Of course, he always would. After supper he would play some more. Then there would be a dance.

    Now read on

  198. Leigh Lowe

    thefrollickingmole

    #3420532, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:53 am

    Did moist/turgid just post figures showing the US doing better on a pro bono basis than the EU while whining the Yanks were incompetent.
    Why yes, yes it did.

    Years of teaching crayon-eater maths will do that to you.

  199. Steve trickler

    I watched the presser in which he mentioned these two “organizations”. Didn’t give it much thought.

    Well looky here. Did Trump just out them to the media? I reckon he has.

    They’ve been up to mischief.

    Will they appear at future pressers?

    PEPFAR is the brainchild of Anthony Fauci. Deborah Birx currently heads it.
    PEPFAR is rife with Fraud and Abuse. NIH also = Anthony Fauci.

  200. Ed Case

    From feeltheberns link above. I was under the impression that jobseeker was $1500 a fortnight as well?

    Jobseeker payment for a single person, assuming the maximum Rent Assistance of $139 /fortnight, works out at $714/fortnight plus $550 starting April 27, works out at $1264/fortnight.
    Sounds pretty good to me for doing nothing.
    Someone doesn’t want food riots breaking out.
    Signed,
    A. Sheep

  201. dopey

    In the old days cops on a horse just caught the shit before it hit the ground …long arm of the law.

  202. feelthebern

    Years of teaching crayon-eater maths will do that to you.

    Which is worse.
    Crayon eating.
    Candle eating.
    Discuss.

  203. Old School Conservative, the metamorphosis from Invasion Day to Survival Day, in my mind, is purely based on emotion to elicit more cashola from the government. The use of the word Survival means we can’t function or live without a handout. Which of course is a crock of shit.

  204. feelthebern

    Post this COVID19 scam, the cupboard is bare.
    This means that when the next fake virus appears, they’ll be none of this lock down bull shit.
    It will be stay at home if you feel at risk.
    Everyone else, get back on with it.
    That will be the ultimate validation of what a scam this one was.

  205. MemoryFault

    When did Invasion Day morph into Survival Day and why?

    When it finally sank in that if Australia had been “invaded”, under the laws at the time Aboriginals would be entitled to nothing – not even their lives.

    It was during the very early years of Native Title and the High Court ruled that if it had been an “invasion” then the HCA couldn’t rule on the matter at all, so there would be no case to answer.
    That is when it was agreed to by all parties that Australia had been “settled”, but the original agreements had not been adhered to, thereby creating a case the HCA could hear and adjudicate on.

    Somebody, Zulu I think, has posted on it in the past.

  206. Nick

    It will be stay at home if you feel at risk.
    Everyone else, get back on with it.
    That will be the ultimate validation of what a scam this one was.

    Bern, this is mostly driven by the media and twitter in ‘the Government needs to do something, right now!/the Government did what ?’ Shrill cycle that we see against Trump.

  207. vlad

    My understanding is that JobKeeper will be taxed even though it’s welfare.

    So $1500 will probably go down to something like $1100 if that’s correct.

  208. Boambee John

    evaluating the credibility of sources

    Was preceded by

    “You will have found that this news article did a decent job of providing a reliable account of events, using descriptions that are free of bias or personal viewpoints.’’

    So the lesson plan does the “evaluating” that Grace squared says the students will do. Situating the appreciation?

  209. Ellie

    Dr Phill is social distancing!

  210. Ellie

    COVID-19 just got serious!

  211. cohenite

    So in other words, you’re conceding that the lockdown is effective.

    Don’t put words into my mouth you vile fuck.

    And what fucking lockdown: 70 deaths, 29 from the Ruby Princess and another 13 from nursing homes. You moron.

  212. vlad

    Whenever anyone here talks about food I get hungry.

    I want poached eggs on toast now, stat!

  213. Ellie

    Am waiting for my eggs to poach.

  214. areff

    Horse manure is much valued by some:

    As the walls of [the Krupp family’s] Villa Hugel rose the interior layout of the house revealed itself to be an irregular network of grand double story halls, salon-like art galleries and dark passageways.

    Perhaps most bizarre of all, Alfred’s specially designed third-floor study was located over the stables so that the smell of horse manure could waft up through vents in the floors and lubricate his imagination. He viewed this as a feature and not a bug.

  215. MemoryFault

    Time to cook brunch.
    Two poached eggs on toasted muffins, runny yolks.
    Coffee or tea with that, Mistress?

  216. feelthebern

    If I was in the UK, crook & being shipped off in an ambulance to the NHS, I would fight my way out.
    Once you enter the NHS, you’re fucked.
    Once the NHS get you onto a ventilator, you’re proper fucked.

    h/t Pikies from Snatch.

  217. Struth:

    MV , it’s on the radio, not the tele, broadcast from the war memorial and starts at 5;30 am, on the ABC.

    Which means it will be sabotaged – find another station that isn’t ABC.

  218. vlad

    The Nine newspapers European man, Bevan Shields, got the virus in England and said you wouldn’t want to get it. A newspaperman with the virus is a guaranteed story to be filed, of course.

    He never went to hospital; he recovered at home – and unaided by the sound of it. And I’m sure it was bad. I’ve been sick at home too – very sick sometimes in years past with what was very probably only the “ordinary” flu. But the fact is we recover.

    I’ll add my vote to this being the blindest screamingest panic we’ve torn our nation to shreds over – ever.

  219. rickw

    STUDENTS will learn about “Survival Day’’ in place of Australia Day in politically-correct lessons set by Queensland Education for parents to police at home.

    Survival Day marks the start of Aboriginal exposure to clean and continuously available water, regularly available food, shelter that actually kept you warm and dry, education and an end to tribal warfare.

    Without Survival Day, they wouldn’t have survived.

  220. MemoryFault

    Moccona? – With a dash of honey? Manuka, naturally.

  221. Boambee John

    LL

    Years of teaching crayon-eater maths will do that to you.

    Had they already eaten the Cuisenaire rods?

  222. Will you shut the fuck up with your numbers, numbers, because your numbers are fudged numbers, which has been proven.

    Tourettes?
    which has been proven

    Where?

  223. notafan

    My mum.

    A cashed up bogan in an electric buggy.

    I’ll let her know.

  224. Bar Beach Swimmer

    harrys on the boat
    #3420510, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:42 am

    Jump in numbers coming for SA – flights have just landed ex-India.m!

  225. Boambee John

    cohenite

    And what fucking lockdown: 70 deaths, 29 from the Ruby Princess and another 13 from nursing homes. You moron.

    And almost the first places completely locked down were nursing homes!

  226. Dr Faustus

    Once you enter the NHS, you’re fucked.

    True.
    My sis’ father in law went into a large NHS hospital with one condition, contracted C19 from some unidentified source while there, and is now in an induced coma on a respirator.

  227. feelthebern

    Sorry to hear that Dr F.

  228. Bar Beach Swimmer

    My understanding is that JobKeeper will be taxed even though it’s welfare.

    So $1500 will probably go down to something like $1100 if that’s correct

    And therefore require the employment of more ATO and Centrelink staff.

  229. Without Survival Day, they wouldn’t have survived.

    Some didn’t.

    Keith Windschuttle argues that while smallpox never reached Tasmania, respiratory diseases such as influenza, pneumonia and tuberculosis and the effects of venereal diseases devastated the Tasmanian Aboriginal population whose long isolation from contact with the mainland compromised their resistance to introduced disease.*

    Source – Keith Windschuttle, The Fabrication of Aboriginal History: Volume One: Van Diemen’s Land 1803–1847 (2002)

  230. Bar Beach Swimmer

    DrF,
    Beat wishes to you and your family

  231. feelthebern

    And therefore require the employment of more ATO and Centrelink staff.

    Maybe Centrelink.
    So much of what the ATO does these days is review* driven.
    If the ATO want’s to increase reviews, it needs more staff.
    *reviews develop into audits.

  232. Nick

    FMD, aborigines were the only people from the Colonial period to have perished.

  233. NoFixedAddress

    rickw
    #3420559, posted on April 20, 2020 at 12:12 pm

    STUDENTS will learn about “Survival Day’’ in place of Australia Day in politically-correct lessons set by Queensland Education for parents to police at home.

    Survival Day marks the start of Aboriginal exposure to clean and continuously available water, regularly available food, shelter that actually kept you warm and dry, education and an end to tribal warfare.

    Without Survival Day, they wouldn’t have survived.

    Survival!

    Strip them naked, hand them a lump of wood and a long stick and land them by helicopter out the back of Isisford and tell them Blakall is that way.

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