They’re Poxy But Good: Has Volvo Land Beclowned The World?

 
In The Australian: Coronavirus: Free-to-roam Swedes ‘flatten curve’.

Both critics and advocates of lockdowns have found ammunition in the Swedish experience. On the one hand, there is some early evidence that the government may have spared the economy some of the damage inflicted by stricter shutdowns in other countries.

By the start of April less than 6 per cent of its workforce had filed claims for unemployment benefits, compared with more than 14 per cent in Norway.

Forecasters predict that Sweden’s GDP will decline by about 6 per cent between the start of April and the end of June, while Germany’s is expected to fall by nearly 10 per cent and Britain’s by as much as 35 per cent.

 
Sweden’s approach is being criticised, according to the report above (re-printed from the London Times), by a “large number of scientists” because the country has a per capita fatality rate double Denmark’s and more than quadruple Norway’s. Coronavirus and ‘climate change’ are becoming more ideologically correlative by the day – in rhetoric, statism, anti-Americanism and legerdemain. Panic chieftains for both only use “per capita” when it suits them, for example. They delight in claiming the US is now the “epicentre” of COVID-19. But its death rate and rates of death per capita are amongst the lowest in the world. On Sweden again, its neighbours and Britain will certainly suffer casualties from self-inflicted economic catastrophe; these may well make any ‘victory’ of a pandemic management contest entirely Pyrrhic.

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32 Responses to They’re Poxy But Good: Has Volvo Land Beclowned The World?

  1. stevem

    Yesterday Sweden reported 563 new cases compared to Australia’s worst day of 497 and yesterday we got only a handful (I don’t believe the 0 that Johns Hopkins is reporting). Sweden has had over 14,000 cases compared to our 6500 and 1500 deaths compared to our 67 All from a population 40% of the size of Australia.

    Graphs show very little slowdown in new cases. The only 3 places I can see with large reductions are Australia, new Zealand and China.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  2. Professor Fred Lenin

    The medical people gave excellent medical advice butof course they are not in pbusiness or economists and didnt really know the consequences of their own advice, so the career politicicians followed this advice ,as they dont really know what to do ,now the economy is taking a massixe hit ,the career pollies respond by borrowing more money,oblivious to the fact they are dragging us down to third world communist fascist level,,ir is it a deliberate globalist plot for world domination ? The msm is of course crusading for peoples democracy and selective freedom of speech as usual .
    My conclusion is that career politicians have no bloody idea what to do next ,thay will go with the pressure groups agendas ,we will seee what the buggers come upnwith .

  3. Infidel Tiger King

    Yesterday Sweden reported 563 new cases compared to Australia’s worst day of 497 and yesterday we got only a handful (I don’t believe the 0 that Johns Hopkins is reporting). Sweden has had over 14,000 cases compared to our 6500 and 1500 deaths compared to our 67 All from a population 40% of the size of Australia.

    Not a fair comparison.

    We are an island. In the Southern Hemisphere. Far away from the hot zone.

    Compare them to their Western European neighbours and they are doing very well and not copping the full economic and societal hit.

  4. MACK

    Cause of death is often difficult to judge in people with several active illnesses, even for experts, so death rates have big issues.
    Cases are a bit more accurate:
    Sweden 1424 cases per million population:
    Norway 1306
    Denmark 1275
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

  5. Greg Lindsay

    I guess there’s an irony in that Volvo is owned by a Chinese company.

  6. John A

    The Swiss have a plan to roll back their restrictions from next week. To quote from my sister-in-law:

    ” in 3 phases from 27th April. The first will allow all medical practices (for routine treatments), hairdressers, DIY stores, garden centres, florists to open. Social distancing and hygiene will need to continue, and it’s pretty certain we will need to wear masks (if you can find any – hence making our own reusable ones). The 2nd phase will start on 11th May and be for children of compulsory school age and other shops. The 3rd phase will start on 8th June and be for higher education as well as museums, zoos, libraries, etc.”

    Can we see a comparison of Sweden with Switzerland?

  7. feelthebern

    Maybe this just says the NHS will kill you.

  8. Dave in Marybrook

    A few thoughts-
    Sweden’s commuter infrastructure is pretty analogous to the U.K and NY/NJ, dense population hubs and lots of rail, into the Stockholm Underground. It would be hard to shut that down, and hard to dis-infect on the run, as Singapore has shown. That might explain the steep infection rate in comparison to NZ and Oz.
    And I’ve mentioned this before- there are massive [email protected] no-go suburns in Stockholm, Malmo and Goteborg, that no blondie can enter safely. The Swedes have surrendered this long ago, but keep pumping electricity, oil and money in, and quietly taking acid to the face on the way out, after picking up the 12-y-o pregnancies and [email protected] victims and knifed wives. Cheese-eating surrender monkeys they may be, but I reckon even the meekest self-flagellating leftie would be quietly hoping for a plague to rip thru the ghettoes.
    And lastly, with ironicness… Volvo is now owned by the chunky Geely corp.
    The last great fridge on wheels was the ’89 240GL, with honorable mentions to the ’95 850R and the 2004 XC90 with the Yamaha 4.4L V8. The new V90 crosscountry looks lovely… but it’s made in Ch!na.

  9. Colin Suttie

    Sweden automatically reports the death of anyone who dies within 30 days of a positive COVID-19 test as a death from the virus. In culturally & geographically similar Norway, a death is only registered as caused by COVID-19 if the doctor decides a) that was the cause and b) to report it as such.

    https://reason.com/2020/04/17/in-sweden-will-voluntary-self-isolation-work-better-than-state-enforced-lockdowns-in-the-long-run/

    I can hardly believe Sweden is showing a higher death rate per million than Norway, given the above /sarc

  10. NuThink

    Recall when the Climate Change panic was infecting many, the total CO2 was ignored in favour of per capita emissions for Australia – as that was the most important thing we were told to make Australia look bad. Now all of a sudden the US has the total death toll published, and not the per capita. Changing the reference as they go along to make the USA look bad.
    Italy has about 60 million population, and the USA has (acc google) 328 million. USA is ~5.6 times Italy size.
    Italy has 23,600 deaths. That to simplistic me would mean USA would be worse only when it gets to ~5.6 times 23,600 or 132,000 deaths.
    USA is reported by Google to have 40,000 deaths. Still 92,000 to go to catch up to Italy.

    It is always useful to use the same reference when comparing apples to oranges, else airplanes can crash.

    The “Gimli Glider” Air Canada Boeing 767 was a near tragedy caused by wrong fuel conversions.

    http://hawaii.hawaii.edu/math/Courses/Math100/Chapter1/Extra/CanFlt143.htm

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/30/us/jet-s-fuel-ran-out-after-metric-conversion-errors.html

  11. egg_

    Where’s doom-and-gloom BorisG and mh from the Open Threads?

  12. egg_

    UK diverged with Sweden because they knew the NHS was fvcked?
    They were soon quick to reclassify COVID-19 as NOT a contagious disease.

  13. Tel

    Sweden’s approach is being criticised, according to the report above (re-printed from the London Times), by a “large number of scientists” because the country has a per capita fatality rate double Denmark’s and more than quadruple Norway’s.

    The infection rate (presuming measurement is accurate) is quite similar in all three Nordic countries, and also they are all lower than the German infection rate.

    For some reason the Swedes seem to die more easily … maybe these numbers will balance out to some extent towards then end of the process. On the other hand Germans apparently get sick and then fairly quickly recover.

  14. ACTOldFart

    The only 3 places I can see with large reductions are Australia, new Zealand and China.

    And the Chinese are probably lying, as usual

  15. egg_

    there are massive [email protected] no-go suburns in Stockholm, Malmo and Goteborg, that no blondie can enter safely

    Triple the infection rate in Stockholm’s sh1thole suburbs IIRC.

  16. rickw

    If you factor in suicides relating to financial distress, they’re well ahead of the COVID-19 / Government Clusterfuck death toll.

  17. Roger W

    The Times and Sunday Times are more anti Trump than even the BBC or The Guardian and have always been anti Boris because they were rabid Remainers.

  18. Art Vandelay

    Comparing infection rates in the UK and Sweden is a waste of time because both socialised medical systems were not able to cope with testing from the start.

    The UK is largely only testing people admitted to hospital and some medical staff. A relative who lives in Sweden said that the Swedish medical system threw up their hands and basically gave up on comprehensive testing after only a week or two.

  19. Sean

    Sweeden also has much larger nursing homes than Norway. They seem to have accepted that more older people would die quickly under their plan but that it was inevitable as the virus has spread and can’t be contained within Europe.

  20. Chris M

    Comparing infection rates in the UK and Sweden is a waste of time because both socialised medical systems were not able to cope with testing from the start.

    OK so compare SA with the highest testing rate in the world and no lockdown (limited closures and groups up to ten) to the Eastern states.

  21. David Brewer

    The only 3 places I can see with large reductions [in new cases] are Australia, new Zealand and China.

    There are some others, e.g. South Korea, Hong Kong, Austria, Switzerland. Japan and Taiwan have been very low thoughout.

  22. Sydney Boy

    The only 3 places I can see with large reductions are Australia, new Zealand and China.

    The places that seem to have it under control the best are 1. South Korea, 2. Taiwan, 3. Australia, 4. New Zealand, and 5. Iceland.

    I don’t for a minute believe the numbers coming out of China. Russia is going to be the next Spain.

  23. Rob

    Today’s modelling for Victoria as reported by the Herald Sun –

    “New modelling showing the catastrophic potential of coronavirus in Victoria has revealed more than 30,000 people would have died without the introduction of tough social restriction measures”.

    Is this the work of those currently idle souls who would normally be “modelling” climate change outcomes ?

  24. David Brewer

    It’s still difficult to get a clear picture of Sweden vs. RoW, due to huge variations in testing and reporting.

    Probably the best comparison is of total weekly death rates from all causes, since, crude though it is, it irons out differences in attribution. For Europe, the rates are here. Sweden is not great, but far better than Italy, France, Spain, UK, Belgium and the Netherlands. Practically all affected countries’ death rates are falling sharply. To some extent this may be due to reporting delays, we’ll see in the next few days.

    Once the lurgie is widespread, the main thing is to keep it out of hospitals and especially old people’s homes. Lockdowns and school closures then make bugger-all difference, as shown by the fact that people are still showing up positive in large numbers in the above-named countries up to six weeks after they were imposed.

    Asian countries’ experience suggests that masks may be effective in stopping it from spreading widely in the first place. But they will be useless once the infection has got around. Of course that doesn’t mean they won’t be made compulsory.

  25. Leo G

    And the Chinese are probably lying, as usual

    The Chinese are probably vaccinated.

  26. David Brewer

    “New modelling showing the catastrophic potential of coronavirus in Victoria has revealed more than 30,000 people would have died without the introduction of tough social restriction measures”.

    Journalists should be taught NEVER to use “show” or “reveal” when presenting model projections.

  27. Leo G

    Journalists should be taught NEVER to use “show” or “reveal” when presenting model projections.

    “New modelling imagining the catastrophic potential of coronavirus in Victoria has fancied more than 30,000 people would have died in justification of non-imaginary tough social restriction measures”.
    FIFY

  28. yarpos

    Awkward when reality doesnt support the models. Never mind , it can be ignored or easily deflected by talking about a new bogeyman. The arse covering and justifications have commenced, soon to be followed by awards and promotions.

    I wonder how many people will die in Victoria due to diagnostics grinding to a halt as we all look at empty hospitals?

  29. David Brewer

    Another interesting case is Switzerland. There it is “strongly recommended” to stay at home, especially for the over-65s, shops and businesses where there is close contact are closed, and meetings of more than 5 people banned, but there is no lockdown and no arresting people for just moving around. Results have been better than in neighbouring Italy and France, and restrictions will start coming off next Monday.

    The death rate in the German-speaking part of the country is about a quarter of that in the French and Italian speaking parts, mimicking the much lower death rate in Germany itself, which also has less restrictions than France and Italy (and Australia), and is already relaxing even these, with most shops reopening from today. This suggests that ingrained social and personal habits have a much bigger influence on the spread of infection than lockdowns enforced by police repression.

  30. Chris M

    which also has less restrictions than France and Italy (and Australia)

    Eastern states of Australia you mean! Which are apparently governed by thugs from the Rum Corp unlike the rest of us that have less restrictions than Switzerland.

  31. Squirrel

    Time will tell whether Volvo Land has got it right, but closer to home, it’s satisfying to see that we have achieved comparable results to NZ, without such severe restrictions – and entertaining to observe the coat trailing going on across the Tasman as they obviously start to panic about the economic impacts.

  32. ryki

    We know from 1st principles that no form of quarantine could possibly work.

    Viruses are not contagious and not pathogenic and they can’t be.

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