Thursday Forum: April 23, 2020

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    Wasn’t one of the four bumped off in a gangland war, and the grieving widow gave an interview saying he was as guilty as sin?

    Defendants.

    1. Victor Pierce. Struck by a stray duck-shooter’s blast outside Coles in Port Melbourne. The keen sporting shooter was allegedly the late Benji Venjamin. The alleged (but maybe not) getaway driver just got away courtesy Ms Gobbo.
    2. Anthony Farrell. Came to quite an unusual end. Died from cancer.
    3. Peter McEvoy. Doing time in NSW last I heard.
    4. Trevor Pettingill. Still doing low level crim stuff but allegedly still alive.

    Others who didn’t make it to court.
    Jedd Houghton. Died in a tragic duck-shooting accident in a caravan in Bendigo.
    Gary Abdallah. Died in a tragic duck-shooting accident in a flat in West Footscray.

  2. JC

    You know, I’m very sorry for the cops who died, but I don’t want to see another pelling by vicpol because they’ve taken a dislike to an obnoxious piece of shit.

  3. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘How the fuck would they know he was on drugs when he was driving seeing he fronted up to the cop station in the morning’

    He tested positive for methamphet at the scene. Just another piece of shit whose days, one way or another will be numbered.

  4. Leigh Lowe

    Also the cops reckon he was on drugs. How the fuck would they know he was on drugs when he was driving

    I think they swabbed him after pulling him over.
    I suspect the analysis would have been in the can.
    That is why the car impounding rules triggered.
    1. Speed.
    2. Drug test.
    3. Dodgy Plates.
    4. Breach of bail

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    They must be terribly disappointed to get tubby entitled midget screechy fat arsed chicks who can run if required, but only as far as the van so she can dive in and lock the doors, leaving the other cop/s and the public to their fate.

    Happened to a mate of mine – he was a Queensland copper, got the job of showing one of the “new breed” the ropes – she was a school teacher before joining the Force. Got called to a job – “Leave your belts in the car.” Turned pearshaped – she locked herself in the car, leaving him to get seven bells knocked out of him..she was sent for “counseling”…

  6. Howard Hill

    Sure, KD. But he didn’t kill anyone. That’s the whole point.

  7. MemoryFault

    Or maybe not. Sigh.
    Oh well, I guess it’s back to the “Prince of Persia”, which is so corny it’s entertaining.

  8. JC

    140km/hr is actually not that fast on a real freeway – Kew doesn’t count – and should be legal in any event once you’re outside the built-up areas.

    Yea I know, long ago I used to take the car up to 160 on the ramps going into the Monash as that’s about the only place there are no speed camera and its relatively safe (when there are no cars ahead obviously). The problem with going 140 plus on our freeways is not that you wouldn’t be able to handle the speed. It’s the fact that the fuckers ahead of you may not realize how fast you’re doing and then careen into your lane. Europe is different because they’re expecting built for speed.

  9. Knuckle Dragger

    Howard,

    I know. Furious agreement.

    Look at how long they’re taking to get Chicken Singh signed off by the quacks as fit for interview.

    That, according to rumour, is standard practice for the Homicide Squad. Negate any later defence at trial that ‘muh client was woozy and hadn’t properly recovered to know what he was saying. He didn’t mean to mention all that deliberate running-over stuff.’

  10. rickw

    Obama’s brother on Trump:

  11. JC

    He tested positive for methamphet at the scene. Just another piece of shit whose days, one way or another will be numbered.
    Leigh Lowe
    #3427623, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    Also the cops reckon he was on drugs. How the fuck would they know he was on drugs when he was driving

    I think they swabbed him after pulling him over.
    I suspect the analysis would have been in the can.
    That is why the car impounding rules triggered.

    Guys, you really believe vicpol?

  12. Siltstone

    VicPol problem:
    Flashy capitalist arsewipe Porche driver – clearly “guilty”
    4 VicPol deceased – one quite high on the totem pole (because diversity)
    Truck carrying chicken meat – clearly anti-vegan and should not be allowed
    Truck driver ethnic – where does he come on the totem pole?
    VicPol let an arsewipe in a car kill 6 people in Bourke Street – why?
    Four police on freeway – was not one watching for on-coming? (pretty basic)

  13. Infidel Tiger King

    140kmh should be the freeway speed in the slow lane.

  14. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3427621, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    You know, I’m very sorry for the cops who died, but I don’t want to see another pelling by vicpol because they’ve taken a dislike to an obnoxious piece of shit

    JC.
    He is an off reservation junkie.
    Plenty of evidence of that before the prang.
    On bail for assault and theft.
    “On bail” means something. If these were routine minor matters you get charged “on summons”, where they just issue the paperwork and you show up in court.
    When you are given bail, it means that someone hauled you before a bail justice to consider two possible outcomes … remanded in custody, or bail.
    So not Mickey Mouse charges already pending.
    Having said all that, he isn’t charged with anything directly related to the deaths. As Nick (?) said, a few of the more speculative charges will drop off but he will cop a decent whack for the remainder.
    And after he serves a few months he can live off his trailing commissions … oh, wait.

  15. He tested positive for methamphet at the scene. Just another piece of shit whose days, one way or another will be numbered.

    Serious question KD:
    As raised earlier by LL, will the roadside test be compromised by no surviving witnesses to the test + total smash up of the scene & contaminated swab, blah blah blah?

  16. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/7lvMNLhJrb0

    Faith No More Evidence

    Excellent in all aspects

  17. Geriatric Mayfly

    Thanks BoN – Karens well and truly defined if that Governess of Michigan is Exhibit A. However, it’s not clear if the soubriquet applies only to wimminzes.

  18. JC

    JC.
    He is an off reservation junkie.
    Plenty of evidence of that before the prang.
    On bail for assault and theft.
    “On bail” means something. If these were routine minor matters you get charged “on summons”, where they just issue the paperwork and you show up in court.
    When you are given bail, it means that someone hauled you before a bail justice to consider two possible outcomes … remanded in custody, or bail.
    So not Mickey Mouse charges already pending.
    Having said all that, he isn’t charged with anything directly related to the deaths. As Nick (?) said, a few of the more speculative charges will drop off but he will cop a decent whack for the remainder.
    And after he serves a few months he can live off his trailing commissions … oh, wait.

    Okay, meanwhile the truckie who actually bowled the 4 cops… He had a temporary brain hemorrhage causing an instantaneous stroke, which magically has gone away. Has that been found in the brain scan?

  19. Leigh Lowe

    That, according to rumour, is standard practice for the Homicide Squad. Negate any later defence at trial that ‘muh client was woozy and hadn’t properly recovered to know what he was saying. He didn’t mean to mention all that deliberate running-over stuff.’

    I have heard it said that some old school coppers weren’t keen on “charge or release” rules when they were tightened.
    Liked to have a bit of “stew in your own juice” time.
    Blokes like Bezzina and Iddles would be loving this.
    He is effectively in custody but is like the frog in the saucepan.
    He will be cooked by Monday.
    Take all the time you need Harbajan.

  20. Ed Case

    3. Dodgy Plates.

    He wasn’t charged for dodgy plates.
    Tested positive for amphetamine, but was his driving affected?
    Its a sports car, not a beetle.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    Okay, meanwhile the truckie who actually bowled the 4 cops… He had a temporary brain hemorrhage causing an instantaneous stroke, which magically has gone away. Has that been found in the brain scan?

    See the post below yours.
    Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey.
    .
    Ah, when I say that I don’t actually mean he is a monkey.
    Just a turn of phrase.
    Not to imply … um .. oh shit.

  22. rickw

    Pushing police to divest their inner totalitarian:

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    Sal,

    Yeah, it probably will be compromised and the charge turfed, if laid at all. The roadside tests for muh drugs are presumptive only, and they would have dragged him back to a station for a hideously expensive proper test that would have been the one they relied on. Same as they do with pissy drivers. Handheld PBT thingy goes bing, you get taken back for a go on the bigger, calibrated to court standard one. No surviving prosecution witnesses wouldn’t have helped, either.

    The mong’s post-crash acts would never have been used in the bail application to sustain a charge, but to demonstrate that he’s a loose unit, which when combined with the existing charges over his head, and breaching bail already for those charges would be a reasonable argument that he should be locked up to prevent further bail breaches.

    As it turned out he didn’t apply – or, more properly, withdrew his application. Which is a smart move by his mouthpiece, because that way he could potentially make another application later.

    Like I said earlier, there’s a lot of emotion hanging around this cock and with good reason – and I might add the media will feast on every tidbit to do with him ‘cos it’ll sell papers, but the people responsible for hoiking up Chicken Singh need to keep their eyes on the prize.

  24. rickw

    Guys, you really believe vicpol?

    The only thing you can guarantee is that it didn’t go down exactly like Vicpol said.

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    You know,

    There’s a lot of people talking court stuff on the OT at present. What we could all use is a considered, rational legal opinion that we can implicitly trust. Someone with a proven record in this field of endeavour.

    Danielle, put your My Pretty Pony down and get in here. Your public needs you.

  26. Infidel Tiger King

    Far out. stones new song is actually very cool! Living In A Ghost Town:

    https://youtube/LNNPNweSbp8

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Tested positive for amphetamine, but was his driving affected?

    Are you fucking serious?
    Tested positive but maybe not affected?
    Sorry buddy, but that is sooo 1960’s.
    How many blokes who “could really hold their piss” ended up wrapped around a gum tree?
    It is simple physiological and psychological factors like impaired perception, reduced inhibitions, dulled reaction times.
    Anyway, let his brief give that a run in court.
    Aside from that, he is a mortgage broker and he eats sushi.
    Horrid person.

  28. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Tested positive for amphetamine, but was his driving affected?’

    Duzzenmadda Ed. they won’t be going ahead with it. It’s unsustainable.

    Methed-up ice freaks do tend to wig out when stopped by the jacks though, so there’s that.

    Plus, he parked his car where it could be run over by a truck. So yes his driving was affected.

  29. JC

    Artie, unlike Cronkite, I thought you knew how to code. Your link doesn’t work.

  30. Howard Hill

    rickw
    #3427643, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    Pushing police to divest their inner totalitarian:

    Good one, rickw. This is how they win 😉 Keep it under ya hat!

  31. Infidel Tiger King

    WA Cats where would you buy a rural compound?

    Which is the best country for kids to shoot, ramble, dirt bike and explore?

  32. cohenite

    Where’s the case here for the cops?

    Well head prefect (said in a Southern drawl) this peckerwood is small tatees, with the outstandings and the pre-prang stuff just bees-wax.

    The interesting issues are the phones, the wallopers he contacted and the mysterious finger-licking driver.

  33. C.L.

    No evidence Pusey posted footage to social media, court told today.
    ?
    Seems increasingly like some sort of bizarre spontaneous truck rage by the Indian chook hauler. He was on far right lane and detoured over to the emergency lane to bowl over the cops.

    Pusey – in a weird turn of events – was an ‘innocent’ bystander.

  34. Infidel Tiger King

    Artie, unlike Cronkite, I thought you knew how to code. Your link doesn’t work.

    I know.

    Can’t be arsed fixing. I’m searching for a compound.

    I’m going to become a prepper, but a really cool one. Only the finest stuff.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    Now hang on LL.

    ‘Tested positive but maybe not affected?
    Sorry buddy, but that is sooo 1960’s.’

    If you watch enough episodes of Cops, you will see dozens of ‘field sobriety tests’ where the poor old driver walks up and down in a straight line, touches their nose with their toes and so on. This is usually done by the State Troopers because of complex jurisdiction issues. And it’s in ‘Merica. This might be what Ed is referring to.

    Here in ‘Straya, of course, these tests are done by the Sheriff and his deputies after they read the freeman on the land his Miranda rights before they book him for a felony misdemeanour.

  36. Leigh Lowe

    The only thing you can guarantee is that it didn’t go down exactly like Vicpol said.

    I think they might be over-egging the pudding for Mr Dick Pussy-Sushi at the moment, but that will wash away by the time he gets to court.
    Remember, this is going to the Magistrates … no jury.
    He isn’t going to wear direct charges for the deaths, but the most peaceful time he will have for the next 15 years will be the next 3 to 9 months he gets for all the legit charges he is up on.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA Cats where would you buy a rural compound?

    You’d hate this neck of the woods. Too many baby boomers.

  38. Infidel Tiger King

    If I was Victorian I would be searching around Mansfield.

    God it’s beautiful around there.

  39. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Seems increasingly like some sort of bizarre spontaneous truck rage by the Indian chook hauler. He was on far right lane and detoured over to the emergency lane to bowl over the cops.’

    Called it. Called it yesterday.

  40. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3427659, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    No evidence Pusey posted footage to social media, court told today.

    That struck me when it was reported CL.
    You would know I don’t have a lot of time for Fatty, but I thought he said in a presser that photos/videos had been “shared”.
    This was reported as “uploaded to social media”.
    Two different things.

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Which is the best country for kids to shoot, ramble, dirt bike and explore?’

    Venezuela.

  42. vr

    Not if the Sikh is female, she’s not a Singh.

    Sikh women have “Kaur” as part of their name.

  43. Howard Hill

    If I was Victorian I would be searching around Mansfield.

    Beautiful in the summer.
    Freezing, cold, wet, shithole in the winter.
    Good deer hunting though.

  44. NoFixedAddress

    Which is the best country for kids to shoot, ramble, dirt bike and explore?

    Not a country but if you can put up with the cold the place to be is the great State of Montana.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana

  45. JC

    Seems increasingly like some sort of bizarre spontaneous truck rage by the Indian chook hauler. He was on far right lane and detoured over to the emergency lane to bowl over the cops.

    Pusey – in a weird turn of events – was an ‘innocent’ bystander.

    I know that freeway reasonably well. I assumed the accident occurred at the extreme right side of the road as there’s an emergency lane there too( sort of). FMD, the left side emergency lane is as wide as Western Australia. If the chooker came from the right driving lane and mangled the cops, he either had a huge brain fizzer or he was really pissed off with vicpol. It could be the latter, because the thing I’ve noticed over the past couple of weeks is cops doing what appear to be spot checks on truckies. I’ve actually noticed that.

  46. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger King

    #3427664, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    If I was Victorian I would be searching around Mansfield.

    God it’s beautiful around there

    Borders are closed.
    Sorry.

    With respect, stick to your sandy, desolate Kraut cruise ship haven.

  47. Ellie

    An awesome song, CL. Thank you.

  48. Infidel Tiger King

    Thanks CL.

    That’s a cool song.

    Notice the band are not socially distancing! And they are still writing songs about wanting to get laid!

  49. Ellie

    I heard part of it on AJ this morning.

  50. notafan

    I was going to suggest Mansfield.

    Gorgeous. Not too far from Melbourne either.

    Family have a place there.

    Bit of a drive from WA though.

  51. Howard Hill

    Called it. Called it yesterday.

    But the guys a Sikh, isn’t he, KD?

    I always though those guys were honourable people. Not like ya common variety goat fvcker?

  52. JC

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3427664, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    If I was Victorian I would be searching around Mansfield.

    God it’s beautiful around there.

    It really is gorgeous around there. Pubs are pretty decent too.

  53. Candy

    Pusey must have been psychotic from the drugs. Wonder if he was in debt from his lifestyle and was stealing.

    A snap decision by the truck driver to kill the police meant he knew he was going to kill pedestrian too. He had no idea who was in Porsche, could have been woman and child. That would be one massive road rage.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Here in ‘Straya, of course, these tests are done by the Sheriff and his deputies after they read the freeman on the land his Miranda rights before they book him for a felony misdemeanour.

    No they don’t.
    They get indicted by a grand jury.
    Ijit!

  55. Infidel Tiger King

    Not to get all Abo on you, but the Mansfield country spoke to me. I felt a deep spiritual connection with it.

    Stunning part of the world. Mind blowing.

  56. C.L.

    Pusey must have been psychotic from the drugs.

    No, I think he’s psychotic from birth.

  57. JC

    The reason why I’ve noticed it is that the arseholes now have a “Specialist” Commercial vehicle Inspection Team as I’ve seen that shit emblazoned on the side of the VicPol SUVs.

  58. JC

    You need lakes and shit like that though, Artie. Switzerland has that. Go there.

  59. dover_beach

    If I was Victorian I would be searching around Mansfield.

    I currently looking around Castlemaine and surrounds.

  60. Howard Hill

    Is there no land left around Albany, ITK?

  61. Infidel Tiger King

    Some nice lakes on the way to Mansfield.

    Bonnydoon etc.

    All I want is a dam with yabbies. I really want marron, but that’s WA tucker.

    The China Flu is sending me native.

  62. Infidel Tiger King

    There probably is Howard. Beautiful down there too.

    I just need to find somewhere I belong. Might go walkabout for a bit until I get the feeling.

  63. Ed Case

    It is simple physiological and psychological factors like impaired perception, reduced inhibitions, dulled reaction times.

    The Hun invented Amphetamines to keep their fighter pilots awake and alert. I’m told the stuff was a giveaway at the chemist until the War on Drugs.
    He looks in good nick, not covered in sores, so i’m suggesting he’s got to be a good driver or he wouldn’t be 41, and calling him a hopeless ice freak is over the top.
    If the Theft and Assault charges were any big deal, the cops would have let us know.

  64. Howard Hill

    There’s big crays in the rivers there, if you know where to look.
    But fvck off we’re full!

  65. cohenite

    But the guys a Sikh, isn’t he, KD?
    I always though those guys were honourable people. Not like ya common variety goat fvcker?

    They assassinated Gandhi’s daughter.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    Someone said the Injun got pulled over by Plod earlier in the day.
    Can anyone confirm?
    If he was sitting on 9 points and copped 3, that might be interesting.
    JC … the accident point is a sweeping right hander so you might drift a bit left, but with cambers on bends and well maintained alignment on commercial trucks, I doubt it was just a drift which took him across the entire freeway.
    I still wonder about the phone distraction factor.

  67. Nick

    The China Flu is sending me native.

    Steady on, it’s not as if you’re hankering for some bat

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I always though those guys were honourable people.’

    Harbhajan, Howard. Harbhajan.

  69. cohenite

    If I was Victorian I’d curse the fates.

  70. notafan

    Castlemaine is also very nice. Spent lots of weekends there too, back in the day.

    Friend tree changed a couple of years ago to acreage in Chewton.

  71. Infidel Tiger King

    If I was South Australian I couldn’t stay away from the country near Robe and Penola. Love it round there.

    Where do Queenslanders look for rural digs?

  72. Nick

    I still wonder about the phone distraction factor.

    It would be almost funny if it were an Indian call centre.

  73. No evidence Pusey posted footage to social media, court told today.

    That struck me when it was reported CL.
    You would know I don’t have a lot of time for Fatty, but I thought he said in a presser that photos/videos had been “shared”.
    This was reported as “uploaded to social media”.
    Two different things.

    Mudguts Ashton definitely spoke on TV about Mr. Pusey uploading images to “Facebook” & that police were trying to get Facebook to remove the images.

  74. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger King

    #3427692, posted on April 24, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    Some nice lakes on the way to Mansfield.

    Bonnydoon etc.

    Someone who is not a Chunk student wants to move to Viktorianistan!
    Build a glass case!

  75. Top Ender

    Just turned off Once Upon a Time in London on Netflix.

    Mindless biffing and knifings amongst the 1930s and 40s London criminal gangs.

    None of the characters are interesting, and their schemes consist entirely on moving in on the boys down the road.

    Not nearly so interesting as the Mafia: the beer is warm; the menu full of culinary disasters, and they all say “Now don’t be silly lad” about once every five minutes.

  76. Ellie

    When this forced self-isolation ends there is going to be one massive party! It’s going to be bigger than Mardi Gras!

  77. Gab

    Guys, you really believe vicpol?

    No.

  78. dover_beach

    Funny you should say that, notafan. I really like the lay of the land at Chewton. Very English feel to it.

  79. Howard Hill

    Castlemaine is full of gays. You wouldn’t like there at all ITK. and Boomers! and Greenies! and Busybodies! and notabrains on weekends!

  80. Where do Queenslanders look for rural digs?

    Big state, depends which part of it yer from.
    Nothing is going to compare to Mansfield for postcard backdrops, but mighty Qld has some very nice non-frozen spots – i.e. lotsa palm trees, beach, rainforest, nordic hottie backpacker chicks wearing not much, stuff like that.

  81. vr

    They assassinated Gandhi’s daughter.

    Nehru’s daughter.

  82. When this forced self-isolation ends there is going to be one massive party! It’s going to be bigger than Mardi Gras!

    There’s going to be at least a two-week lead-up time for pubs to be opened in the manner the public will expect.

  83. C.L.

    I know JC won’t be moving to the country.
    He hates nature.

  84. Infidel Tiger King

    Howie where are these crays in the river?

    Albany?

  85. vlad

    If you’re on foot on a freeway you are responsible for your own safety. No exceptions; no excuses.

  86. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘He looks in good nick, not covered in sores, so i’m suggesting he’s got to be a good driver or he wouldn’t be 41, and calling him a hopeless ice freak is over the top.’

    First, it’s methamphetamine, not the barnyard amphet benzos they used to give fighter pilots so they’d stay awake. It’s distilled and crystallised. You’re mistaking it for bog standard goey, and you’ve only seen his face so, with the greatest of kindness, you have no idea whether he’s belting along with speed sores or not.

    You never saw fighter pilots pulling their own faces off or slashing their lawns at 4.00 a.m.

    Anyone can go through the gears in straight lines. Anyone. If he’d been able to consistently go down Elliott Avenue or Beach Road at 149 in a three-on-the-tree Kingswood then maybe. Not inbound on the Eastern at reverse peak hour during a lockdown. Shit driver. Hopeless ice freak.

    ‘If the Theft and Assault charges were any big deal, the cops would have let us know.’

    Why?

  87. Infidel Tiger King

    JC thinks the Botanical Gardens are the wilderness.

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nehru’s daughter.

    Nehru’s daughter, and her husband, Feroze Gandhi, was no relation to Mahatmah Gandhi.

  89. Gab

    ”I know JC won’t be moving to the country.
    He hates nature.”

    Only because it’s outdoors. And he’s allergic to everything outside the big smoke.

  90. vlad

    The one time I went to Mansfield about ten years ago I thought this would be a good place to settle down and raise a family – if one were in the market for that. I saw evidence that others were doing so: well-behaved children in abundance.

  91. Howard Hill

    Now ya talkin, Arky. Cheap and beautiful, particularly down south. Great fishing, hunting and isolation. Just need to get rid of the horse face running the joint.

  92. vr

    Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi. Indira is a Kashmiri Pandit.

  93. Infidel Tiger King

    Pains me to say it, but NZ is the most eye pleasing place on earth.

    Far out. It is scrumptious. The land, not the people. I want to be clear here. The geography and topography are stunning. The people are hideous.

  94. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Where do Queenslanders look for rural digs?’

    Toowoomba.

  95. Howard Hill

    Howie where are these crays in the river?

    No, Mansfield. All of north eastern victoria, really. But only on private property, the public places are fished out!

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they were in Albany Also.

  96. JC

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3427721, posted on April 24, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    JC thinks the Botanical Gardens are the wilderness.

    The Melbourne gardens are really beautiful and fantastically maintained. Man-made nature is what I like. The rest is just fly over crap unless it’s near a beach.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Pains me to say it, but NZ is the most eye pleasing place on earth.
    Far out. It is scrumptious. The land, not the people. I want to be clear here. The geography and topography are stunning. The people are hideous.’

    Yes, ITK. A million times yes.

  98. C.L.

    ‘Where do Queenslanders look for rural digs?’

    Queensland.

  99. Arky

    We used to drive the Lewis pass every Christmas holidays.
    In those days most of the way the trees on either side touched over the road.
    Like this.
    Like driving through a green tunnel.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3427686, posted on April 24, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    Pusey must have been psychotic from the drugs.

    No, I think he’s psychotic from birth.

    I tend to agree.
    The drugs bring it closer to the surface and strip away some behavioural constraints but he is hard-wired psychopath.

  101. cohenite

    They assassinated Gandhi’s daughter.
    Nehru’s daughter.

    Anyway she’s dead; and the Sikhs were up to their beards in it

  102. Siltstone

    Toowoomba.

    How did it fare in Shit Town of Australia? Podium?

  103. Infidel Tiger King

    When I was about 8 I fell in the pond at the Fitzroy Gardens.

    Copped an arse spanking for it too.

    That was parenting back then. Cold, embarrassed, upset child? Whack his arse in front of all his cousins.

    Don’t worry. I have suffered no long term effects.

  104. JC

    Anyway she’s dead; and the Sikhs were up to their beards in it

    You’re just jealous you can’t grow one.

  105. Gab

    I’d rather live in Mansfield, Texas.

  106. Ed Case

    Why?

    Ummm, because the cops and the media have been shitcanning Dick Pussy for 2 days straight?
    They haven’t found a connection to Hitler yet, but it’s early days.

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Toowoomba.

    Isn’t there someone on this blog who lives in Toowoombah?

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger King

    #3427727, posted on April 24, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    Pains me to say it, but NZ is the most eye pleasing place on earth.

    Far out. It is scrumptious. The land, not the people. I want to be clear here. The geography and topography are stunning.

    Agreed. The upside from Kung Flu is that we might avoid cruise ships and go to NZ.

    The people are hideous.

    Yes. I thought it was just Russell Crowe and Raelene Castle.
    Turns out it is all of them.
    Keep the windows up and look at the glaciers and you will be fine.

  109. vr

    The people are hideous.

    Why do you say that? I’ve always found them to be sanctimonious.

  110. cohenite

    You’re just jealous you can’t grow one.

    I’d be happy with a shiny arse. What’s your secret.

  111. Infidel Tiger King

    Most of Australia looks like shit except at sunrise and sunset.

    This is an extremely harsh on the eyes country.

    But it smells great. Australia smells so good. To my dying days I’ll remember the smell of this place.

  112. Infidel Tiger King

    Why do you say that? I’ve always found them to be sanctimonious.

    Haha!

    Well played vr!

  113. JC

    But it smells great. Australia smells so good. To my dying days I’ll remember the smell of this place.

    Wifey always said that, but then she hails from the godforsaken desert. WTF people went to live where she was born boggles the mind.

  114. Check your email Ellie.
    Will be heading tomorrow morning to the local cenotaph.

  115. notafan

    Very fond of castlemaine DB.

    Not too big, not too small.

  116. Howard Hill

    The people are hideous.

    Married to one. The ones from down south below Christchurch are great, very friendly and welcoming. People on the Westcoast of the south island, even better. Westport around the Buller River is just Gods home I reckon. and further south around Greymouth is gorgeous country.

  117. duncanm

    so given the traditional service is quite a bit before dawn .. is dawn more appropriate ?

  118. Arky

    Castlemaine.
    Dry.
    Sticks and lizards.
    Awful spot.
    What’s it for anyway?
    Nothing there.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    ‘If the Theft and Assault charges were any big deal, the cops would have let us know.’

    Ah, they already have, kind of.
    As I said upthread, he was bailed.
    If the charges were for pinching a Mars Bar from Coles or a threatening shouting match (technical assault) he would have been charged “on summons”.

    Being bailed means the charges were serious enough for someone to consider whether:-
    (A) he gets bail; or
    (B) he goes in the remand slot.
    Perversely, he is probably wishing now they had gone with (B).
    Oh, and coppers don’t sit around for three hours waiting for a bail hearing over a Mars Bar charge.
    So, yeah, serious.

  120. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘If the Theft and Assault charges were any big deal, the cops would have let us know.’

    Well, theft carries a max of ten years in the bin (says the intawebs) and assault, depending on what it is and with what can get you 20.

    So, a big deal compared to what? 9/11?

  121. vr

    IT — I do agree NZ is a stunning place. I went to Queenstown for the first time two years ago. I could live there if I didn’t have to interact with people.

  122. Leigh Lowe

    Arky

    #3427757, posted on April 24, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    Castlemaine.
    Dry.
    Sticks and lizards.
    Awful spot.
    What’s it for anyway?
    Nothing there.

    93.1% lesbian.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    Once again, I am being bullied on a libertarian blog.

  124. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Will be heading tomorrow morning to the local cenotaph.

    Ditto.

  125. Lilliana

    Pains me to say it, but NZ is the most eye pleasing place on earth.

    Agree. One of the most beautiful places on the planet and every time I go there I want to move. But it has become so damn expensive and the people are infected with raging leftism. Shame really.

  126. Howard Hill

    When I was about 8 I fell in the pond at the Fitzroy Gardens.

    Heheh!
    Spooky story. Was taken to the Shepparton swamp when I was about 3. Old man use to duck shoot on it. Covered in duckweed. Thought it was grass and went straight in. Pulled out buy the scruff of my neck. 25 odd years later did exactly the same with my own kid 🙂

  127. Infidel Tiger King

    IT — I do agree NZ is a stunning place. I went to Queenstown for the first time two years ago. I could live there if I didn’t have to interact with people.

    My thoughts exactly.

    I just can’t get on the same wave length as Kiwis.

    I have issues, but they have bigger ones.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    Word of advice Ed Case.
    If you are looking to go out on a limb, I would give the Pussy limb a wide berth.

  129. Bruce in WA

    Well, seeing it’s almost Anzac Day …

  130. Arky

    93.1% lesbian.

    ..
    You’re confusing it with Daylesford.

  131. dover_beach

    Castlemaine isn’t dry. Serpentine is dry.

  132. vlad

    They haven’t even got Castlemaine Rock any more.

    They’ve still got Castlemaine Ham.

  133. Hay NSW is a most welcoming place. Except for visiting footballers where they belted the fuck out of you then had bulk piss with you.
    Fun fact, David Saker, former Victoria fast bowler coached Hay football club to flag success in 1992

  134. Leigh Lowe

    I have issues, but they have bigger ones.

    Time to forget about the pond thing, bro.
    Long time ago, eh?

  135. Lilliana

    Will be heading tomorrow morning to the local cenotaph.

    Same here. Taking my ipad for a DIY dawn service.

  136. JC

    This dude blew the whistle on Bernie Madoff.

    But for quant legend Dan diBartolomeo, of Northfield Information Services – the man who helped finger Bernie Madoff – it’s also worrying.

    “In essence, the FINMA position is that … the models were right, but reality was wrong,” diBartolomeo says.

    DiBartolomeo says that because the chances of an extreme event occurring on a particular day are tiny, some will argue the potential for massive losses can be ignored with extremely high confidence.

    “[But] this is like living under a live volcano and saying the risks are low because it is unlikely that the volcano will erupt today. Of course, what matters is not the daily likelihood of an extinction event, but rather the cumulative likelihood of the event over as many days as you are exposed to the source of danger.”

    DiBartolomeo argues that between 1900 and now there were five events that entirely destabilised the financial systems: World War I, the Spanish Flu, the Great Depression, World War II and the GFC.

    Look, I know the Spanish flu killed 50 million plus people, but was it really a world destabilizing event because I have always tended to think of it as something rolled up with WW1. It only took on focus because of the current china bug.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    Arky

    #3427773, posted on April 24, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    93.1% lesbian.

    ..
    You’re confusing it with Daylesford.

    No, no.
    Daylesford is male gay.
    Castlemaine is female gay.

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the man who helped finger Bernie Madoff.

    Ewwww. Phrasing.

  139. Ed Case

    Oh, and coppers don’t sit around for three hours waiting for a bail hearing over a Mars Bar charge.
    So, yeah, serious.

    Lets rule out mars bars then. The point I made still stands, if it was a big deal it would be front page news.
    I’m thinking if he stole something it would be described as stealing. Theft is something different so i’m guessing there’s some dispute about his guilt?

  140. Leigh Lowe

    IT — I do agree NZ is a stunning place. I went to Queenstown for the first time two years ago. I could live there if I didn’t have to interact with people.

    I know Magda Szubanski has gone the full Castlemaine, but she used to do the two frumpy NZ girl characters …
    Hither and Thither.

  141. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Daylesford is male gay.
    Castlemaine is female gay.’

    Yup. Castlemaine has piggery pork stuff.
    Daylesford has antique stores and is impeccably coiffed.

  142. Infidel Tiger King

    Sounds like we are all going bush.

    That’s the smart move. I reckon China Flu is the biggest fork in the road in the last 80 years.

  143. Howard Hill

    Is there a difference, Leigh? I never noticed.
    Castlemaine was good in the old days if you were into cars.
    Rod Hadfield land 🙂

  144. Leigh Lowe

    I’m thinking if he stole something it would be described as stealing. Theft is something different so i’m guessing there’s some dispute about his guilt?

    Fuckin’ spare me.
    A slightly little bit theftish?

  145. dover_beach

    Daylesford is lovely country but it’s not the gays that ruin it, it’s the people from Armadale.

  146. JC

    Sounds like we are all going bush.

    If “we’re” all going bush that means the cities will be a underpopulated rural areas. Count me out on the move. I’m staying put.

  147. dover_beach

    Oh dear, please tell me Magda isn’t living in Castlemaine.

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Bernie Madoff.
    Was that stealing?
    Or theft?
    Or nicking?
    Or purloining sans permission?

  149. JC

    Daylesford is lovely country but it’s not the gays that ruin it, it’s the people from Armadale.

    It’s the Greens rural retreat. I’d rather be one of those cops than end up there.

  150. Howard Hill

    Count me out on the move. I’m staying put.

    Wouldn’t want to crease ya pleated jeans, JC? 🙂

  151. Leigh Lowe

    Daylesford is lovely country but it’s not the gays that ruin it, it’s the people from Armadale.

    Correct.
    The LGBQTIs are fine.
    It is the LSBIs* which are the problem.

    .
    * LSBIs = Latte Sipping Blow Ins.

  152. vlad

    Oh dear, please tell me Magda isn’t living in Castlemaine.

    I don’t believe she would be capable of it. It requires character to live in the country, even in a large country town.

  153. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘if it was a big deal it would be front page news.’

    Ed.

    People steal stuff worth millions all the time. Nobody blinks, and the paper’s front page is generally concerned with things other than people stealing things, but that sadly is not news.

    The media, or the cops or the courts are not obliged to tell you anything about anyone. If they do, they do. If they don’t, it’s not an immediate marker of the Illuminati covering it with its dead hand of velvet.

    So no, they wouldn’t necessarily ‘have let us know’.

    The bloke is a cashed-up, methed-up mortgage-broking piece of shit who used to own a flash car before he fucked up once too often. A garden variety, 8 to 4 Monday to Friday scrote.

  154. Infidel Tiger King

    Last time JC went rural, the tassels on his pink Gucci loafers got lamb poo on them.

    He was devastated. Luckily his dry cleaner saved the day and JC only had to spend 4 nights in the mindfulness retreat.

  155. rickw

    ‘Which is the best country for kids to shoot, ramble, dirt bike and explore?’

    My bolt hole’s north of Wangaratta. Did one blokes trip up with the little fellow before this crap started. He had a ball. Shot his BB gun. Picked up his first dead rabbit. Drove the tractor standing on the floor in front of Aunty. Went horse riding. Went melloning with grandpa, took a bite out of one because if it’s a mellon it should be tasty! Gardened with Grandma. Gave the farm dog so many kisses and cuddles that each time I’ve been up since she needs to inspect the Ute to make sure he’s not on board.

  156. Ed Case

    If the charge was stealing that’s the word used.
    If Theft is used it means something a little different in Court Speak, doesn’t it?

  157. dover_beach

    Serpentine. Good Lord

    I now and then have to drive up to the area along the Murray north east of Kerang to visit relatives of my wife. That drive north of Bendigo through Serpentine is, well, as you say, Good Lord. At least the River Red Gum forest saves the day.

  158. JC

    It’s early days yet as it’s too soon to figure out what sort of hit they’re going to take. The mega US banks reported in their 1st quarter two weeks ago and they all took hits by provisioning for losses. This should go on, however the markets are valuing these behemoths as though we’re about to enter the worst of the financial crisis. The interesting thing about the China Bug in terms of the financial markets is that these whales actually saw their deposits rise massively as a flight to quality. As I said, it’s early days and there’s time to asses. The risk is that things don’t turn out badly in the US in which case these whales will reprice massively upwards.

    Worth keeping an eye on this sector.

    ‘Big Short’ Steve Eisman likes the big US banks after coronavirus sell-off

  159. Leigh Lowe

    It’s the Greens rural retreat. I’d rather be one of those cops than end up there.

    Yes.
    Compared with the Botanical Gardens or Central Park it must seem like deepest darkest Africa.

  160. MemoryFault

    Just about time for all Dawn Service participants protesters to hit the sack.

  161. Goanna

    IT.
    The broader the acres the better.
    WA is full of potential.

  162. Howard Hill

    pink Gucci loafers

    LOL! I’m stealing that one 🙂

  163. Infidel Tiger King

    My bolt hole’s north of Wangaratta. Did one blokes trip up with the little fellow before this crap started. He had a ball. Shot his BB gun. Picked up his first dead rabbit. Drove the tractor standing on the floor in front of Aunty. Went horse riding. Went melloning with grandpa, took a bite out of one because if it’s a mellon it should be tasty! Gardened with Grandma. Gave the farm dog so many kisses and cuddles that each time I’ve been up since she needs to inspect the Ute to make sure he’s not on board.

    That’s what life should be like.

    Makes me miserable what we have created.

  164. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I’m thinking if he stole something it would be described as stealing.’

    Seriously, this is Liability Bob-standard take yer hand and walk you through the meadow stuff.

    Edward, I just looked it up. Here. Read this, and take the next 17 hours to digest the contents, and also that Pusey is an ordinary fuckwit. An iced-up meth freak of a fuckwit who can’t drive.

    ‘CRIMES ACT 1958 – SECT 72. (1) A person steals if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. (2) A person who steals is guilty of theft.’

    Read the last sentence, then write it on your bedroom mirror in lipstick using a spidery yet eerily neat style.

    God.

  165. Leigh Lowe

    If the charge was stealing that’s the word used.
    If Theft is used it means something a little different in Court Speak, doesn’t it?

    Jeez, Ed.
    Theft, fraud, stealing, purloining, robbery, etc.
    All mean the same.
    Taking possession of something you have no right or title to.
    Different jurisdictions might use different words.
    They occasionally add adjectives which invariably mean an increased time in the slot.
    Adjectives like “armed” or “aggravated”.

  166. Infidel Tiger King

    IT.
    The broader the acres the better.
    WA is full of potential

    I know.

    Rural WA is cheap as chips, but the broad acre is such boring country. Flat, treeless plains.

    I want real country. Hard to defend broadacre too.

  167. Howard Hill

    Beautiful story, rickw. The bush is the go for kids, none of this flowery garden shit. Turns them into real men.

  168. vlad

    Why all the talk about stealing? Has Pusey been charged with that?!

  169. vlad

    Ha! I just googled and he has been charged with “theft charges”.

    Stealing a car, btw, is different from other forms of theft. No need to establish intention to permanently deprive.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    Went melloning with grandpa, took a bite out of one because if it’s a mellon it should be tasty!

    Ha, ha.
    Not long ago we bought stuff to cook pasties.
    Young nephew wanders past table, picks up a crimson coloured swede and took a chomp.
    “Uuurghh. Mummy, apple bad!”

  171. stackja

    ITK we didn’t create anything. X1 did. It’s his virus.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    Don’t start, vlad. Please.

  173. NoFixedAddress

    BlackBall

    If you know, but what’s Deniliquin like these day’s?

    It would be nearly 20 years the last time I was there.

  174. JC

    The bush is the go for kids, none of this flowery garden shit. Turns them into real men.

    Why not go the full whack. Move to Africa, nugget oneself black and join a tribe.

  175. Infidel Tiger King

    ITK we didn’t create anything. X1 did. It’s his virus.

    Did Xi make young men wax their balls?

    Didn’t think so.

  176. Leigh Lowe

    Why all the talk about stealing? Has Pusey been charged with that?!

    Yep.
    Before, at a date prior to, and preceding the Big Prang he was on bail for assault and theft charges.

  177. Howard Hill

    Nah, stackja. The rot had set in long before that fat xunt sent out his plague.

    Where you from. Some states worse than others.

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    Cousin of mine had a minor prang in his car once. He was at fault.

    But although what he did was cause an accident, he was actually charged with ‘Make Crashy Bangy Stuff Happen.’

    Very serious stuff, it was.

  179. vlad

    Don’t start, vlad. Please.

    Okay.

  180. Rex Mango

    Just watching end of Shawshank Redemption & it is a very very pale imitation of Cool Hand Look, with derivative story line and not half the cast. Also borrows from Escape from Alcatraz, which is far better movie.

  181. Rex Mango

    Morgan Freeman, Tim Robbins do well & it is a watcheable movie, but nothing compared to it’s predecessors.

  182. Deniliquin as far as I know is stable. Bloke posted a link showing that area had no COVID-19 cases. My uncle lives there, looks good from an outsider’s point of view.

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Theft, fraud, stealing, purloining, robbery, etc.’

    For Ed’s benefit:

    ‘CRIMES ACT 1958 – SECT 75 – ROBBERY – S. 75(1) amended by No. 9323 s. 2(a).
    (1) A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear that he or another person will be then and there subjected to force.’

    So robbery is theft (stealing, half-inching) except that you use violence to do it. Against the person, not the stolen property.

    Armed robbery takes too many pixels so I won’t.

  184. vlad

    Everything from Stephen King is crude and overdone.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Salvatore, Social Distance Scapegoat
    #3427636, posted on April 24, 2020 at 9:35 pm
    He tested positive for methamphet at the scene. Just another piece of shit whose days, one way or another will be numbered.

    Serious question KD:
    As raised earlier by LL, will the roadside test be compromised by no surviving witnesses to the test + total smash up of the scene & contaminated swab, blah blah blah?

    I did wonder if that was the source of the “Destruction of Evidence” charge.
    But I think the test was in the can.

  186. Mitch M.

    dover_beach
    #3427797, posted on April 24, 2020 at 11:04 pm
    Oh dear, please tell me Magda isn’t living in Castlemaine.

    That can be determined by seismic activity.

  187. Rex Mango

    Near end of film, after Morgan Freeman spent 40yrs inside as only black dude in a 1940’s white gaol with seemingly no problems, he has to hitch ride in the back of two good ole boys pick up truck (real old one too with wood panels) to find the stashed loot buried under a rock. Not many cliches there.

  188. vlad

    That can be determined by seismic activity.

    And whether Castlemaine Hams have had to put on a night shift.

  189. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckles.
    The Eighth Commandment says “Thou Shalt Not Steal”.
    Does this include theft, or shoplifting?
    How many sub-sections of Commandment 8 are there?

  190. vlad

    The old photo of “Morgan Freeman” on his prison record is of his real-life son.

  191. Howard Hill

    Why not go the full whack. Move to Africa

    Went to South Africa Shot a Warthog with my bow, tried for an Eland but missed out.
    Too hot, dry and too many dark things that want to kill you. Was a beautiful place before that Mandela xunt fucked it up.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    I must get out my old Rumpole of the Bailey books.
    Excellent reference.

  193. rickw

    Beautiful story, rickw. The bush is the go for kids, none of this flowery garden shit. Turns them into real men.

    Grandpa and I finished putting some extra crushed rock on the shed pad today, sent him photos and videos of the activity. When I spoke to him later he was wishing he was with us to help and asking 101 questions about what we were doing and why.

  194. Knuckle Dragger

    Well it says ‘Thou Shalt Not Steal’, not ‘Thou Shalt Not Theft’ so I think Mr Pusey should be A-Okay in the eyes of the big guy.

    Naturally, shoplifting is quite rare as it involves the lifting of shops.

    Samson had a couple of priors for it, I believe.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    If anyone from WA is wondering, the Victorian South West coast is an absolute shithole.
    Leeches, tiger snakes, mosquitoes, sink-holes, howling winds and mortgage brokers.
    Horrid.

  196. Rex Mango

    Another criticism will make of Shawshank Redemption. Morgan Freeman banging on about hope etc as he waits to cross the Texas border into Mexico. At this point the film should stop. Instead they go for the Hollywood money shot & show him Tim Robbins building a boat by hand on a beach, living the dream as Morgan rocks up. Let the film down in so many ways.

  197. Rex Mango

    Think in pre industrial society 3,000 years ago, in pretty much a barter economy, statements like ‘Though shalt not steal’ are pretty water tight. 19th Century England had people prosecuted for stealing handkerchiefs.

  198. vlad

    At this point the film should stop. Instead they go for the Hollywood money shot & show him Tim Robbins building a boat by hand on a beach, living the dream as Morgan rocks up. Let the film down in so many ways.

    I think the studio forced that on the director who wanted to end with Morgan still on the search, still hoping.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    51. Legislative powers of the Parliament
    The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:

    (ix) quarantine;

    WTF!
    Where did that come from?
    Is that the Commandments?
    Is it the Thefts, Nicking and Otherwise Misappropriating Act (1958) as amended?

  200. stackja

    HH – NSW was OK till Nifty discovered the “hollow logs”, the ex-ABC boss and his MAU. My device doesn’t do links. Google words and something might show up. Daily Telegraph hinting at Abe misdeeds might open up other stories.

  201. vlad

    Catholics and Protestants can’t even agree on the numbering of ten commandments.

  202. stackja

    Victoria built a Pyramid once.

  203. Rex Mango

    Watching Heat 1995 now on ch95 (coincidence?). Robert de Niro has been a big star for a long time at this point. Why can’t he get that mole on his face removed?

  204. Howard Hill

    Grandpa and I finished putting some extra crushed rock on the shed pad today, sent him photos and videos of the activity. When I spoke to him later he was wishing he was with us to help and asking 101 questions about what we were doing and why.

    Opposite for me rick. Grandpa getting old and can’t keep up with my son and I. Is really missing the bush. I took down him to a mates place just before the cold weather hit., Put him along a tree line by a creek and pushed some Woodies towards him. Pulled of two doubles and wouldn’t shut up for the whole trip home. Almost made me cry. I’ll miss him to death when he goes 🙁

  205. stackja

    vlad Cecil produced Ten.

  206. rickw

    Mark Dice, for me this came with a Lorbek Luxury Cars add expressing their condolences to Vicpol:

  207. Howard Hill

    Night all. got an appointment with the boss 🙂

  208. Rex Mango

    Getting back to commandment of ‘Though shalt not steal’. Read in it’s proper context, would include everything like robbery, larceny, shoplifting, detinue, trover, charging interest etc.

  209. Whalehunt Fun

    Catholics and Protestants can’t even agree on the numbering of ten commandments.

    QI episode said there were some number a lot more, maybe 30 or so. I do not recall the number but much bigger than ten.

  210. stackja

    Movies of the past.
    White Heat – Ma!
    The Big Heat – hot coffee pot!

  211. rickw

    We really need to put the squeeze on purchasing products made in China. We need to wreck the CCP’s business model. We need to fuck the people of China’s businesses so that in turn they go and fuck the CCP.

  212. JC

    This bug sounds like a freaking nightmare of an illness. She made it obviously, than God.

    I’ve recovered from Covid. I was asked by a fellow Imurgian to detail my experience. This is going to be LONG. I apologize in advance.

    Tldr; I had non-traditional symptoms at first. (leg pain, body aches) Things happen fast. Seek out medical care promptly.

    For context, I’m a 37 year old woman living in DC. Never-smoker, no major health issues, though a little on the heavy side. Good blood pressure, no blood sugar issues. Was in voluntary self-isolation at my apartment for seven days before I had any symptoms. I still have no idea when/where I contracted the virus.

    My last day at work was Saturday March 14th. I had not left my apartment for a solid week when my first symptoms occurred on Saturday March 21st, in the form of leg pain. I shrugged it off as maybe restless leg syndrome. After all, I hadn’t left home in seven days, so I was pretty sedentary. Leg pain became full body aches by Sunday. Again, I thought, I’m just stiff. I need to exercise more. At this point, I had no fever, sore throat, cough, respiratory issues—any of the symptoms to indicate Covid. The body aches made it hard to sleep, so I soaked in a hot bath and took Ibuprofen. (I come from an Ibuprofen family, so did not have Tylenol on hand).

    By Monday, I began to experience chills and full body sweats (like, completely soaked). I knew now that something was wrong. I quarantined to my room (as I have roommates), just to be safe and researched how to get a test. In DC, the requirements to get tested (at this time; they may have changed) were you had to have either traveled out of the country in the past 14 days, been to a nursing home, or had contact with someone that tested positive. I did not qualify for a test. I called a Nursing Medical Hotline and described my symptoms, seeking a referral for testing. I was told just to quarantine, keep hydrated, and watch my temperature.

    On Tuesday, I developed a low grade (101-102) fever and a headache. Because I had heard on the news that Ibuprofen was not recommended, I checked my temp every hour or so, and managed it with lukewarm showers. I called on again for a referral, but was denied. On Wednesday, my fever reached 104. My eyeballs felt extreme pressure behind them. I again called seeking testing, but was denied. I was told to go ahead and take the Ibuprofen to battle the fever.

    The fever broke by Thursday morning, and I felt much better. The aches and sweats had stopped. Still no cough, runny nose, sore throat, but I noticed I couldn’t take a full deep breath. It didn’t hurt, I just couldn’t get my lungs to full expansion. I thought I was over the worst.

    On Friday, I developed a mild cough, and noticed that my breathing was becoming shallow. I called again, described my symptoms, and was asked to walk across the room to see if I had any trouble with that level of physical exertion. I could still walk to the door without a problem. I was denied (fourth time now) a referral for testing. I was feeling extremely fatigues. All I wanted to do was sleep.

    On Saturday March 28th (one week from my first symptom), I found I could no longer speak without struggling to breathe. I slept almost all day. That evening, I called again for a referral, but could barely get out the words. I was finally approved for the referral and was told to call 911, to explain I had Covid symptoms.

    The ambulance arrived at my building within 10 minutes, but it was nearly half an hour before the EMT, in complete head-to-toe PPE, came up. He testing my oxygenation level, which was at a 90. (From what he explained, anything under 95 is not good, and under 89 is really bad. Again, I’m not a doctor, so medical professionals, feel free to correct me).

    The EMT place me on oxygen with a nasal cannula, and I was taken by ambulance to the hospital. In DC, there was a rotation on accepting Covid patients, but I lucked out and was taken to a very fancy hospital. In the ER, I received an impressive amount of tests very rapidly. They listened to my lungs, took chest x-rays, ran an EKG, did the nasal swab (in my opinion, really not that bad). They told me my lungs looks and sounded good, but I insisted I could tell something was wrong with them. My heart was racing. I was told I was tachycardic, even thoug I had been receiving oxygen. It took three nurses a total of seven attempts to get a blood stick on me, because the blood kept clotting off. Finally, once they were able to get my blood drawn, they placed an IV and they sent it for panels and cultures. I now had a bunch of blown veins from all the attempts. The one that finally succeeded was at an awkward place in my right elbow, so I could not bend my elbow without interrupting the IV. (This will matter later)

    A short time later, they came back and said one of the results was elevated (a D-Dimer is what the nurse called it), and she said this could indicate a pulmonary embolism (blood clot in the lung). I was then taken for a CT scan. Despite the clean x-rays, the CT scan revealed I had pneumonia in both lungs. I was placed on saline and antibiotics (vancomycin and zosyn) and was admitted to the special Covid unit, though still awaiting the official test results. (My positive test results took about 24 hours, but I think we all knew at this point).

    The Covid unit looked like something out of a movie. Floor to ceiling plastic sheeting with large red warning signs. Every employee was suited in full PPE. The wing used in this hospital was very nice- large spacious rooms, I suspect designed for luxury, but being utilized because it allows for lots of distancing. The staff wore multiple pairs of gloves, had to scrub in and out, and had to remove their outermost PPE gear (it looked like a full body bib) everytime they had to exit the room. No visitors allowed.

    Sunday, March 29. It was now about 7:00 am on Sunday morning. Even with the medications and oxygen, I was still have the rapid heart rate. The doctor explained this was worrisome, as I was not improving on the oxygen. The doctor explained to me the protocol- that they would keep me on oxygen (I’m still just using the nasal cannula), but if I did not improve, they would transfer me to the ICU for intubation. I watched enough Scrubs to know that I did not want to be intubated, so I was happy to stay on the regular oxygen for now.

    I felt completely exhausted and stressed, and now had well-meaning friends and family blowing up my phone with the same questions. (I have a large social circle- 4 adult kids, 10 siblings, parents, friends, colleagues, and students). My breathing was still labored, so talking was tiring. And I couldn’t bend my right elbow to hold the phone up because of the IV. So I’m texting left-handed, exhausted, and freaking out. I asked my closest family and friends to tell everyone to just not contact me, but of course, people don’t listen. They can’t- they’re worried. But it was frustrating. The phone kept going off and all I wanted to do was sleep.

    I know what you’re thinking- just turn off the phone or the ringer. But here’s the thing, because it’s dangerous to be around a Covid patient, the doctors would contact me by calling my phone. So I couldn’t turn it off. Plus my family would freak out if they could not reach me.

    Monday, March 30th. Here’s where it gets heavy.

    On Monday morning, my status had not improved. Still on antibiotics and oxygen, and now on blood thinner Lovenox. My new attending physician (who would oversee my care for the duration of the week) explained that she wanted to try the hydroxychloroquine. She admitted that it was experimental, and could have potentially dangerous side-effects on my heart, but that it was the only additional medication being tried at the time. It was scary, but I thought, well, at least the know how to treat a heart attack. So, I agreed to try the medication. I honestly wish I had not- I’ll get to that later.

    Now the really scary part. She explained that it was likely she was going to send me to the ICU so I could be more closely monitored. There, they sedate me and intubate me. If things did not go well, I would be transferred to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore and put on a ventilator. She said that 80% of patients don’t come off the ventilator. She said that if things go south, it happens rapidly, and I would not be able to talk. Therefore I should get my affairs in order. Right now.

    This hit me like a stone. Suddenly I couldn’t feel anything. Barely a week ago, I just had sore legs. I told her thank you for her candor. I meant it. I sat in shock for a few moments. I am lucky in that I attended law school and had taken a class on Wills only a few years ago, so I had a clear understanding of what I needed to do. I began an email, listing all my account info for my assets- bank accounts, savings, life insurance, etc. I logged into each and made sure my beneficiaries listed were up-to-date.

    I then began a series of very difficult phone calls. [This next part contains no medical info, so feel free to skip. I’m just finding writing this very therapeutic, so if you could indulge me.]

    I called my best friend to ask him to be my emergency contact and proxy for medical decisions. I knew I could trust him to best understand and follow my wishes. You can only name one person, and I couldn’t put that on my parents. They would fight over any decision that result in a bad outcome. And they had enough to deal with. I still have three younger siblings back home with them. So I asked by bestie (who is also my roommate). He later told me he followed the ambulance to the hospital. Good man.

    I explained to him the situation, my medical directives, and my wishes for the disposition of my body. I sent him the email with the accounts and we carefully had him log into each one to assure he had access. Then I had him pay my immediate necessary bills- rent, phone, etc. It was a somber conversation, and I never felt greater love for him in how he handled that moment. He was so strong and supportive.

    Next, I called my parents. I told them it was tiring to talk, so they needed to just listen. I explained everything, and asked that they keep the rest of the family at bay. I did not have the energy to keep repeating everything. My mother was breaking down the entire call. My dad simply said he understood. I later learned that after this conversation, my father went outside and shaved his head. I told them I loved them.

    Now with the personal matters handled, I moved on to the professional ones. I called my boss, and asked her to permit my friend access to anything he needed. She quickly agreed and said she would handle all the HR reporting matters. Next, I began to call my creditors- law school put me in significant debt, so I have quite a few credit cards and loans. I called my first credit card company to ask for a waiver for the month. As soon as I got the words out that I was in the hospital for Covid and I might not make it, I broke down. This was the first time I cried. The poor customer service rep- Allen- I doubt I’ll ever forget his name, was so compassionate, and distraught. His voice cracked as he assured me he would take care of it. I made similar calls to each and every debt account, all of whom mercifully were extremely quick to agree to waive payments, and all wished me well.

    [Back to medical stuff]

    That evening (Monday), the first of many EKGs was taken. Mind you, I’m still on oxygen, blood thinner, antibiotics, an albuterol inhaler, and saline IV. The constant oxygen has dried out my sinuses completely, my lips are swollen and cracked. I wish I had chapstick. The skin on the roof of my mouth begins to slough off. It isn’t painful, but it is worrisome. I take my first dose of the hydroxychloroquine, given in tablet form, twice daily for five days. While I was warned it could affect my heart, I was not told (but now know) that it can also cause hallucinations and nightmares.

    At 2:00 am, I wake up feeling a strange wave rolling slowly up my body, starting at my feet. It feels as though I am losing gravity; like I am being pulled upward. It. Is. Terrifying. Beyond. Words. As the feeling rises upward and reaches my chest, my heart slams HARD. I feel like a drop. The wave cease.

    Logically, I know that I’m not starting to levitate, but it damn sure feels that way. Then after a few moments, the wave starts again. Is this my soul leaving my body? Is this what dying feels like? I’m not a religious person (much to respect to whatever each of you believe). But I can’t understand what is happening to me. I feel dizzy and light and scare and it hurts everytime the wave reaches my heart. I call my best friend and leave what has to be the saddest message on his voicemail. I thank him for his role in my life, and then start leaving a message for my kids, to talk to them about death. I don’t want them to be scare, and I want them to know I love them. There is a beautiful speech on the final episode of The Good Place that I try to paraphrase, to help them have a reference for their grief. A few minutes into this message, my friend calls me back.

    I tell him I feel something strange, and it might be the end. We cry together and stay on the phone for the next two hours. The wave continues regularly, but I’m still here. I find that if I concentrate, I can ‘shut’ the wave down before it reaches my chest (akin to how you can make your blood pressure rush behind your eardrums, then stop it, if that makes sense). It still cause my heart to jump, but it’s not as bad. Finally, exhausted, I tell my friend goodbye and go to sleep. I have vivid, terrifying nightmares about extremely specific events in my early life.

    Tuesday, March 31st.

    I wake up. A nurse is hooking me up to an EKG. I’m very grateful and surprised to be awake. This will be the routine for the next week. Early morning EKG (4:00am), blood draws (still very complicated because of the thick blood- they have to use hot packs and a vein finder- nifty little tool), blood thinner shot, rotations of IV antibiotics, a call or visit with the physician.

    I explain to the physician the wave feeling, and this new sensation like my heart is swirling, or being stirred. (I’ve been electroshocked twice in my life, and it’s a very similar sensation. Like your heart is a goldfish bowl that is sloshing around for a while). She thinks it is from the hydroxychloroquine. She says we will keep an eye on my heart. I feel nauseous, and extremely fatigued. I sleep most of the day. Each time they give me the vancomycin, I feel a little better. All the antibiotics have decimated any bacteria my system, so bowel movement are liquid. It’s been days without a shower or brushing of teeth, but nothing can survive the antibiotics, so I feel oddly clean. Teeth feel smooth like just after a dentist.

    I am given a spirometer to do inhalation exercises. I can even wiggle the ball on the lowest setting.

    Wednesday. Repeat. EKG. Blood draws. Shot. More meds. Sleep. That’s my week. Each day, feeling a little less fatigues. I get a call from my insurance, reassuring me they will be covering the hospital stay. This is a relief. I get a call from an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins. She finds my case fascinating, because I have no prior lung issues and have never smoked anything (I was repeatedly asked this during my stay), so she is interested to see the scarring on my lungs in a few months. I am happy to help the medical community learn about this virus, so I readily agree to be in her study.

    Thursday. Repeat. Heart swirling still there, still having nightmares, but breathing is improving. I can now fully control the “wave” feeling, and anti-nausea medication makes it go away for a few hours. I can move the spirometer ball a little (but not to the top yet). My oxygen levels are doing better. I start short rotations off the oxygen (one hour off, back on for four hours).

    Friday. Repeat. EKGs now twice a day. They are worried about the prolonged QT issues (I don’t fully understand this, I just know it has to do with my cardiac circuit). They take me off the vancomycin. I can be off oxygen for a few hours at a time now. Feeling much better. Just before my last dose of hydroxychloroquine, the doctor orders it stopped and comes to talk to me. She is worried about my heart, but can’t know if the medication is helping or hurting me. We discuss the options and decide to finish out the medication. (Completely the protocol will make my case useful in studies; ending early could impact its usefulness, so I agreed to finish it).

    Saturday. They take me off oxygen completely (they want 24 hours free of oxygen to discharge me). I take my last dose of the hydroxychloroquine. I am told it has a long half-life, so to expect the residual effects for a while. I am able to breathe on my own successfully for the full day. They will discharge me tomorrow. I am scared to go home; I am a danger to my family. I explain this to one nurse (my favorite, whom I shall not name) because he sneaks me three additional masks for my family members. Awesome guy. Even though all the medical staff is instructed not to have any unnecessary contact with Covid patients, before he leaves, he offers me a gloved fist bump. That one simple act of human contact was so meaningful. It will be months before I can touch another person.

    Sunday, April 5th. They prescribe me another albuterol inhaler, a week’s worth of oral antibiotics, advise me not to drink alcohol or caffeine, and to do my spirometer exercises. I am told I must quarantine for two additional weeks with no contact, then social distance for six more weeks after that. They honestly don’t know when I won’t be contagious. I’ve read many articles on the viral shedding rates and timelines and the medical community just doesn’t know yet. I am told in three weeks I can donate plasma to help them study antibodies to the virus. I have marked my calendar for that date.

    I am discharged. I am taken home by ambulance, because I still can’t be around people. I have to notify the DC Health agency and my building manager. I will received inquiries from both regarding status updates. I spend the next two weeks in my room, with food being left outside the door for me.

    This past Monday Apr 20th was my two week mark for quarantine. I put on my mask, wash my hands thoroughly, and walk into the living room to see my roommates. I wave to them from the far end of the room. Life is getting back to normal. I can breathe easily now. The fatigue, nightmares, and heart issues waned slowly, but seem to be over now.

  213. Rex Mango

    Right now in Heat, you have Al Pacino with pump action shot gun (he’s now discarded that for an automatic) on foot chasing Robert de Niro with handgun across a major US airport at night. Planes taking off all around them. Very much a pre 11Sep movie.

  214. rickw

    Almost made me cry. I’ll miss him to death when he goes 🙁

    Grandpa’s going ok but the clock is ticking, for about 5 generation’s the men in the family have clocked off at 79. Not a year earlier, not a year later.

  215. Rex Mango

    Al Pacino looks older than De Niro, but hasn’t got this huge mole in the middle of his head, as De Niro dies by the way. Still no cops, or security after this mad shoot up across the middle of the airport. Not one takeoff aborted either. Couple of drones brought Stansted to standstill recently.

  216. Hay Stockard

    JC.
    I could see her problem right at the start. Non smoker. High risk group right there.

  217. Leigh Lowe

    Need John Le Carre code phrases to co-ordinate the Great Uprising.
    Something simple, easy to remember and which would go unnoticed in everyday conversation.
    I am thinking:-
    Q. Is that a lady’s cardigan?
    A. No, it has buttons on the left.

  218. Hay Stockard

    Rex,
    I have never coveted my neighbours ox. Nor made any graven images.

  219. It’s Remarkable

    Yeah, Rikw – nice post
    For me, it is some dirt in central NSW. 4 kids, now all left and doing well some still in agriculture, from Vic to Nthn NSW. They learned to drive tractors, utes, even headers before they were 14, so aside from the stupid amount of hours they have to ‘log’ in the book, passed the test easily enough.
    Can draft a mob of sheep for shearing or to take a mob of lambs off, mend a fence, weld stuff, drive a sprayer or seeder just the same.
    And that is how it was when I was also brought up. I can remember learning about how to manage horses from my own Gnradfather while having a sandwich under the shade of an old Ford v8 (petrol) wheat truck in the 60’s, and lumping wheat in bags for seed. Great days.
    While we say that too much of this stuff has been lost, I feel even my kids (some now also with children of their own) are curious, even perhaps keen to learn some of this old stuff to try and keep some connection with their antecedents – they certainly seem interested, which I am pleased about.
    As to the rest of the rubbish both running this country and ‘advising’, they can go to hell.

  220. JC

    JC.
    I could see her problem right at the start. Non smoker. High risk group right there.

    And she was “a little on the heavy side too”. Look, don’t get me wrong, it’s actually a great ending story and so happy she made it through. Fmd, she was on the phone all day rolling over debt. If she passed away it sounded like the US banking system would collapse. As I said, I’m really glad she made it.

    One last little point that has be curious like George Costanza about all this. Why did dad shave his head?

  221. Rex Mango

    Aces High now on ch95. They just had the 1916 public school assembly with John Gielgud delivering an address after prayers. The point he stressed was that the English had invented this concept of ‘playing the game for the game’s sake’. Malcolm McDowell is guest speaker who will talk next having jut returned from shooting down the Hun on the Western Front.

  222. Hay Stockard

    I would like to take this opportunity to invite everyone over to the new thread.

  223. Knuckle Dragger:

    Up until he started yakking to the dying lady cop, taking pics and fucking off – people need to remember that he’s just another piece of shit. Ten high at the tip in Yarrograd.
    It’s an unnecessary distraction from the matter at hand, which (I think) is Mr Methed-Up Chook Truck deliberately ramming his truck into a bunch of traffic cops because he’s had a gutful of being written up and he lost his shit.

    Nicely put.
    Plod is using him – Mr 911 – as a distraction squirrel quite successfully.
    Which says to me the Chicken Truck Driver is far more important than he appears.

  224. Lots of ‘gunfire breakfasts’ around my patch this morning. Some of them quite complicated with the barbie and coffee machine. Lots of hailing and overall community spirit.
    Majority of the population are Two Stick’s obsession.
    Suburb next door, being a millenial beachside area – nada. “If the Government ain’t paying, we ain’t gonna do it”. Keep hating those Boomers Twos.

  225. Howard Hill, spot on. Most community sports clubs suffer from these bureaucratic bullies. Tough on the average Mum and Dad volunteer when some moron thinks he/she is managing Man U and acts as a tyrant.
    My daughter’s U-14 soccer team packed up and moved to the club next door due to the bullshit poured down on them by the club officials.
    We almost had to go to the High Court. The morons attempted to have them banned at district level. Seems mere players wishes are of no account.
    The reality was narcissism. The girls were good, so the Club bullies didn’t want to lose bragging rights at the endless district organising meetings.
    Behind every petty bureaucrat is the lingering resentment of not having been selected for the St Ursula’s under ten second eleven footy team.

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