The C Was Angry That Day, My Friends

SPIRITS combative and fractious descended on Catallaxy’s usually Algonquin Round Table-esque Open Forum yesterday. The topic was, of course, coronavirus – a topic so excruciatingly inescapable it’s like binge-enduring 20 years of climate change Q&As in one evening. No surprise that global warming patriarch Al Gore looked fed up during an appearance on Joe Biden’s Basement Hour yesterday when Scranton’s discombobulated answer to Johnny Carson essayed his “ideas” about the bubonically boring bat bug. Biden’s oddball chats are like the talk show Cosmo Kramer hosted in his apartment after finding the discarded Merv Griffin set – except it’s Biden’s guests who reek of dumpster.

But I digress. Back to the Open Forum: apart from one or two (okay, two) prepper-curious shutdown lovers, the consensus at the site is that panicked Australian governments instituted a policy of nation-wrecking rather than targeted prophylaxis and are now persisting largely to make it all seem justified. New South Wales and Victoria are locked in a weird tussle to see who can more viciously beat up citizens whose harmless escapades highlight their totalitarian idiocy. The debate here is not so much about the overreaction or the panic but, in a manner of speaking, the respect that should be afforded to COVID-19. The dominant camp is split between militant anti-restrictionists and a virus-wary slow ‘n steady faction. I find myself between these two groups – which means we have a situation on our hands: a diversity of opinions! Perhaps if Sinclair posted a big X between every two comments, we could at least avoid infecting one another.

Come on, man – as Biden likes to say: let’s not flatten the lurve.

This: “I’m pausing for a moment because I am honestly on the verge of tears …” – J.J. Sefton

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24 Responses to The C Was Angry That Day, My Friends

  1. Rossini

    I have been self isolating up until yesterday.
    Finally went to the supermarket.
    Realised that I should have gone weeks ago.
    Will visit my offspring at the weekend!

  2. Beachcomber

    Let’s be clear about this. It has been clear from the outset and it is even more obvious now. There is no crisis or epidemic or plague due to a ‘flu virus. Where are the fatalities? Where are the sick people? Look at the empty hospitals! It is a plague that never was.

    This is a crisis of perverse, irrational, out of control, destructive government!

  3. mareeS

    We are watching our cats (Miss Kitty and Little Miss Kitty) for signs of the Cvirus, as they are said to be the next corona forefront. Keep well, human cats.

  4. mareeS

    Should have attached a smile to that.

  5. Sydney Boy

    The agenda-ists are in full swing.

    We were told the lockdown would result in more domestic violence. The Victorian domestic violence helpline has revealed that there has been a 30% decrease in calls for assistance. So the response from the agenda-ists is that husbands / partners are at home and therefore the wives and girlfriends can’t call for assistance.

    We were told the lockdown would result in more alcohol consumption. The Australian Hotels Association tells us that they have had an approximately 30% decrease in total alcohol sales. But a survey of just 1000 people conducting by the agenda-ists found that more people are drinking at home.

    Never let the facts get in the way of your agenda!

  6. ryki

    And still, not one single iota of evidence (let alone proof) that this virus is pathogenic – let alone deadly.

  7. John Brumble

    That reduction in alcohol may have just been me. Haven’t touched a drop since this started, which is highly unusual.

  8. thefrollickingmole

    Heres a very small nutshell of my position.

    The original projections were horrific, so the original declaration was justified if you took those figures as correct.
    The government then knowingly lied to medical professionals that respiratory protection wasnt strictly necessary and also spread that information to the community. IF this had been as bad as they projected that would have killed many, many thousands of people. It did this to cover up the shit state of gear available in Australia after the stuff had been shipped back/brought up en-masse.

    The figures have changed massively, the expected rate of deaths and transmissions is magnitudes lower than they projected, this isnt in itself a problem, but rather than adjust to this reality they are continuing with virus porn theater, again to save face.

    They are intoxicated by being “saviors” and being in the middle of something “big” and damn the facts.

  9. cuckoo

    and are now persisting largely to make it all seem justified

    Exactly. Even these idiots can read a graph, but to admit reality too quickly will result in a loss of face.

  10. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    But a survey of just 1000 people conducting by the agenda-ists found that more people are drinking at home.

    Remind me again, have pubs, clubs and restaurants been closed for the last month?

    Oh, that’s right, they have been.

  11. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    see who can more viciously beat up citizens whose harmless escapades highlight their totalitarian idiocy

    Not strongly enough, it seems. The aspect of this hysterical idiocy I’m most depressed about is how willingly the Australian populace has tolerated these increasingly hitlerist actions aimed at outlawing normal everyday activities.

    All over nothing, as far as I’m concerned.

  12. Iampeter

    The real issue here is the cognitive dissonance of those who believe so strongly in a government being able to randomly interfere with people going about their business, that they would support building a wall, are then opposing the lock-downs.
    It’s just like these protesters in America, opposed to the shutdown, but at the same time wearing MAGA hats and generally displaying their pro-Trumpiness.

  13. Bad Samaritan

    I will repeat….

    On Easter Sunday a dozen of us went flying in an ultra-light and five micro-lights and landed at a secluded beach where we spent the day having a fine BBQ, and went swimming , strolling chit-chatting and the like. Two of the dozen were “front-line” workers. All paid lip-service to “social distancing” but ditched it when it came time for a beer and a laugh.

    On the Monday we also had a gathering at a remote bush shack and a great day. One of my mates had contacted his mate….a copper….who’d assured him there’d be no police about on Tuesday for the return 80ks drive into town.

    No normal person; no normal copper; no normal ADF personnel caught having a party in Townsville believe any of it. Only leftists and weak-minded gullibles ever fall for govt BS.

    Of course, when the F’wit fascists introduce serious fines, a normal person also takes steps to avoid them, but still knows it’s crap. As the famed radioactive-milk drinker Stephen Conroy once noted with the NBN or whatever “If I tell you to wear red underpants on your head, you will do so.” Get them undies on your noggins, Cats!

    The entire point of leftism, be it Fascism or Communism, is to humiliate it’s victims. It’s nought to do with “achieving” anything, but only to hector and harrass and scold and badger it’s victims until they are so defeated that they will (hopefully) believe whatever their betters tell them to believe.

    Remember the famous scene in 1984 when Winston finally admits that 5 fingers he sees are actually four? His tormentor tells him straight “no, Winston. We don’t want you to tell us that. we want you to believe it”

    And in the end he loved Big ScoMo!

  14. stackja

    I know about 30 elderly people. Which one should die if infected? Survival of the fittest?

  15. NoFixedAddress

    So we will be locked down and quarantined for ever as carona viruses are everywhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy5T6s25XK4

  16. Brian

    This event is a “wicked” problem. The problem is that the numerous analyses out there can create very polarised positions. Jo Nova looked at Wuhan an d deduced that we were dealing with a very deadly, very contagious disease. Her instant response was quarantine. Originally – to quarantine eth country from overseas travellers to achieve zero cases in Australia – and then to only open up travel as other counties proved themselves to be Covid free.
    Then – when government left everything open, she shifted to individual quarantine – of the buy everything to survive at home as long as possible type quarantine. Of course, the lockdown that was actually initiated was a half baked version that limited social interaction, but did not stop almost everyone still mingling at shopping centres or schools, etc. Technically, if the disease was as virulent as was supposed, that should not have done much to slow its spread – but almost miraculously, Australia has almost crushed it. Jo is happy abut that, but has not really addressed why a partial lockdown should have worked at all.
    Willis over at WUWT has done a few analysis also – one of which suggested that a basic social isolation and use of masks was the key to keeping things under control – and that the economic lockdown was basically not required. His latest analysis was a prediction that increased testing would produce a linear rise in eh number of cases – which was true in most of his countries analysised – except for Australia – where the increased testing only showed a minor increase in cases.
    To me – the mess of data seems to suggest a few things.
    1. The disease can be very dangerous – given sufficient viral loading – hence apart from the aged, hospital staff are most at risk and need the best protections in place. And dense population centres appear to be high risk.
    2. There are some very successful treatments now available – only being impeded by stubbornness of “experts” and politicians who restrict or discourage access to them. A generic highly successful treatment would allow everything to go back to non-lockdown.
    3. Australia is rather unique in being essentially Covid free – especially some states. This is because in the lack of a general penetration of the disease into a population – for the disease to infect, you must have a source. The sources in Aus came from overseas and have now, even with a lot of mistakes being made, essentially been isolated. That is why increased testing is not showing up equal increases in the cases.
    So what could we safely conclude? Is the disease especially dangerous? Some data suggests this – so wise to be cautious, especially in known risk groups. Is it especially infectious? It seems to be a function of viral load – so that a basic social distancing seems to work and probably local weather is a major factor as well. The data suggests it is not as infectious as was first feared, but with sufficient viral load a real problem.
    Can it be easily treated – lots of suggestions that are worth pursuing – Vit C, zinc with the HIV and Malarial drugs, sunlight[Vit D] and heat. One thing you should avoid as much as possible is being put on a ventilator – which is almost a death sentence.
    My conclusion is that Australia is well placed to remove almost all restrictions. The practical problem as now demonstrated with the schools fiasco, is that the population has been terrorised by the media and political announcements. Even if restrictions were lifted, many would be thinking that such action would be promoting a death sentence with major disfunction continuing for some time. Some on this blog have framed their comments in exactly this way. “Snowflakes incorporated” and very happy to maintain such a mindset. The teachers union is utilising this view of their members.
    It is general perception, bowing to “expertise” and access to media messaging that makes this a wicked problem. In days gone by we may have paused as a nation and recognised we were in the hands of Almighty God. We may have had a call to humble ourselves and seek mercy. Such a position would be an acknowledgement that God is the governor over our problems – that it is a manifestation of His judgements against us. And that if deliverance was to come, it would come in a way we could not orgistrate, and would be a mercy we do not deserve.
    But as it currently stands – here we mostly moan about the terrible events that are happening and make the most impractical and far fetched suggestions which have no hope of actually being implemented.
    Mark Steyn has often noted that culture trumps politics – by which he means that we get the politicians we deserve. To change such politicians – you first need to change the entire culture. In multi-cultural Australia – good luck with that.

  17. Sentinel

    This can’t be highlighted enough times.

    Unfortunately those affected the most are also those that are the most vulnerable to fines and bullets.
    I don’t see too many at the ABC taking pay cuts or lining up for jobseeker.

  18. Sentinel

    You may or may not be asking what can’t be highlighted enough times!
    Meant to be this statement by Spurgeon Monkfish III ;
    ” The aspect of this hysterical idiocy I’m most depressed about is how willingly the Australian populace has tolerated these increasingly hitlerist actions aimed at outlawing normal everyday activities.”

  19. Infidel Tiger King

    We were told to “flatten the curve”. We’ve squished it flat. So flat that there is now no economy left.

    And still they won’t budge.

    It was all a lie. If they are waiting for zero cases or a cure, then this is now our lives forever.

  20. Iampeter

    It was all a lie. If they are waiting for zero cases or a cure, then this is now our lives forever.

    You say it like it’s a bad thing. There’s no more pesky immigrants for you to have to deal with.
    You should be loving this. Finally got the world you wanted.

  21. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I don’t see too many at the ABC taking pay cuts or lining up for jobseeker.

    Nor will you. This is veering into the realms of pure fantasy.

  22. Hay Stockard

    There is a strangely Teutonic flavour in the sheeple letting themselves be terrorised by low rent politicians and informing on each other.

  23. Squirrel

    “….and are now persisting largely to make it all seem justified”

    That, plus not really having a clue about what the hell they are going to do in the quite possible event that a vaccine and/or treatments is a long, long way off – in spite of almost daily reports about exciting research under way.

    The bullying and bluffing about the app, and the rapidly escalating talk about mass testing, are really just avoidance and displacement behaviour for politicians who will need to re-open the borders as soon as possible if we are to have any hope of retrieving the huge numbers of jobs which depend upon that, but who must be terrified about the health risks entailed.

    BTW – lovely work, CL – “a topic so excruciatingly inescapable it’s like binge-enduring 20 years of climate change Q&As in one evening” was particularly gem-like.

  24. Kneel

    “I know about 30 elderly people. Which one should die if infected? Survival of the fittest?”

    I know many people with a mortgage and “non-essential” jobs. Which ones should lose their job and house because of a extended lockdown? Survival of the scroungiest? Or survival of those prepared to steal?

    FFS, life is risky, get over it.
    Driving is risky.
    Catching a bus is risky.
    Going to the doctors is risky – not only might you catch something in the waiting room, the doctor may prescribe something that you are fatally allergic to! “It’s new and very safe – oops!, looks like you are, I mean were, one of the 0.001% that can’t use it”.
    You want to wait for a vaccine for corona virus?
    OK, as long as it’s also OK if we wait for a vaccine against stupid before we vote again – wouldn’t want to put someone stupid in charge, eh? Better give it to voters too, I guess. Might be too late for you though…

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