David Bidstrup: Stick your app ScoMo.

I find it amazing that people think it “helps” to download the governments “virus spying app”. Perhaps it is a real life demonstration of Stockholm syndrome where the captives think that they will garner some favour by being nice to their oppressors.

Having destroyed the economy, put thousands out of work, had businesses throw in the towel and fomented the next depression the government now want to make our “release” from captivity conditional on allowing some intrusive technology to keep an eye on us and tell the authorities if we have been “naughty”.

Talking to people about this today while having a coffee, (after walking the dog at the beach), quite a few of them thought that it was their “civic duty” to “help out” so we could all be “free” again. Someone used the line that it should be OK “if you had nothing to hide”. The inference is that if you don’t comply you could be a criminal just as the Covid hysteria promoted everyone was “diseased” and needed to be isolated from one another.

There is also the line from young tech billionaires, whom fate has kissed on the knob, that we all download apps and give away our personal data now so it should not be anything to worry about. That is so, but there are some of us who manage to get through the day without constantly checking facebook to see who has just had a shit and can still use a phone for just talking to people. If someone is stupid enough to drop their electronic pants and bend over then they deserve the pain that follows. They should not expect others to be as dumb. The idea that anyone can “trust” the government is just laughable. Those that do would still be putting out a sack for Santa.

Yesterday I talked to a young man who worked with me some years ago. He is early 40’s, very smart and for the last 4 years has been developing a business. It’s gone now, along with the jobs of some folk who did their best to help it prosper but now are on the junk heap. He told me that he would not waste any more time on it as it will be years, if ever, that the economic conditions will be favourable to chance his arm again and in the meantime he has a young family to raise. I am sure there are many stories like this and Mr Morrison and his “national cabinet” and public service doctors can reflect that it was their pant wetting that has led to this.

Just to put our “death toll” into perspective, Australia averages 434 deaths every day of the year. In the 58 days since our first “Covid-19” death 25,200 people have died and 84 of those have been from Covid-19, (we are told). This is 33 ten thousandths of the total and I suggest it is nothing to be alarmed about.

There is no doubt in my mind that this panicdemic is the greatest cock-up visited on us by our “leaders”, and there have been some doozies in the past. Those who posture and pontificate and destroy lives will not suffer any consequences from their idiocy but many folk will be out of work forever, lose their homes, be evicted from rental homes and suffer greatly for years. The pity of it is that one bunch of idiots called “conservatives/liberals” have fucked the place royally but the other bunch of idiots called “labour/greens” are an order of magnitude worse.

The “virus app” needs to be shoved up the government backside so far that it never sees the light of day again.

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79 Responses to David Bidstrup: Stick your app ScoMo.

  1. Mater says:

    Yep…well…I think that about covers it.

  2. Mystified says:

    I like your article, and I’m also wondering why nobody has pointed out the following:
    The app is designed to tell you when you come into contact with someone who has tested positive.
    Why is the person who tested positive not in quarantine? If the Gov knows this person is out and about (how else would they know to warn you), why not just chase the person down and put him/her into quarantine?
    Also, what if the person tested positive say 4 weeks ago but is now fine. Are they a “positive” as far as the app is concerned?
    WTF is going on??

  3. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    There was an obsequious loon just on Kenny working himself up into a frenzy about the wonders of SloMao’s tracking app.

    Disgraceful.

  4. GAFA says:

    What selfish and seditious words! Haven’t you heard, don’t you know, “we’re all in this together”, equally, fairly, no person shall be left behind…
    A problem shared is a problem halved!

  5. Beachcomber says:

    There is no doubt in my mind that this panicdemic is the greatest cock-up visited on us by our “leaders”, and there have been some doozies in the past. Those who posture and pontificate and destroy lives will not suffer any consequences from their idiocy but many folk will be out of work forever, lose their homes, be evicted from rental homes and suffer greatly for years.

    Liberty Quote

  6. Matt says:

    Our death toll is so low exactly because of the actions that have been taken. Look at the excess all-cause mortality in England, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands or New York city as just some examples. Obviously you would have preferred Australia to have a death rate of 300-500 per million like some of these other countries?

  7. Tim Neilson says:

    Our death toll is so low exactly because of the actions that have been taken.

    No it isn’t.

    Take a look at the ratio of overseas-origin infections to local infections in South Australia (few restrictions) compared to Victoria (totalitarian state). They’re the same. The Hunchback of Spring Street’s fanatical campaign against freedom and prosperity hasn’t done anything more than the relaxed SA approach to inhibit the spread.

  8. Snoopy says:

    There is also the line from young tech billionaires, whom fate has kissed on the knob, that we all download apps and give away our personal data now so it should not be anything to worry about.

    I’ll download the app when Atlassian pays company tax to the ATO.

  9. Fred Furkenburger says:

    Matt
    #3433468, posted on April 28, 2020 at 5:41 pm
    And look at Sweden’s death toll per million. Very low and they did not destroy their economy with lockdowns as we and many other countries have. Many of those countries with lockdowns have far higher death tolls. See this copied from elsewhere:

    Even though Sweden has not subjected their population to a tyrannical lockdown, that Nordic country has experienced fewer Covid-19 deaths as a percentage of its population than many other countries.

    As of today, April 27th, Sweden has experienced 225 deaths per million of population. How does that compare with other countries?

    Here are seven countries where the body-count percentage is even higher:

    Spain: 503 per million
    Italy: 446 per million
    France: 350 per million
    UK: 305 per million
    Belgium: 622 per million
    Brazil: 298 per million
    Netherlands: 264 per million

    Three other countries appear to be climbing toward that status:

    Ireland: 220 per million
    Switzerland: 189 per million
    USA: 169 deaths per million.

    So what is the point of the lockdown? We were told that it would “flatten the curve.” Slow it down, in other words. But I don’t recall anyone saying that it would reduce the eventual number of deaths.

  10. thefrollickingmole says:

    Matt

    Explain Vietnams figures please.

    Next door to China couple of hundred known cases zero fatalities.

    Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

  11. hzhousewife says:

    I ran an errand today in the car. On the way out, the radio told me that we had 11 new cases of CV yesterday and only one of those was of unknown origin. On the way home, the radio told me 2 million or so Aussies have signed up to the “app”. I can’t wait until I hear that the 2 mill app info can tell us how the person yesterday got CV.
    That’s the whole idea of the thing, isn’t it?

  12. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Looks like the losso of jobs and businesseswil far exceed deaths from the virus now thats a loss loss situation . The tracking app makes us all like ankle band convicted crims .
    This virus might spell the end of career politics and intrusive unaccountablepublic employees ,they have proven they are unable to copewith serious real crisis ,they are more used to crisis’sthey contrive .
    Like the UN s extremely urgent emergency climate holocaust crisis conference they postponed for a year so the 30,000 valuable climste experts were not affected by the Chinese virus . Global Warming Disaster is put off for a year by order of the unelected UN .
    Surely these climate clowns can see the irony of this action ? Probably not !

  13. Exit Stage Right says:

    I do not watch much TV, but happened to catch a bit of Kenny on Sky. The way he treated Pauline on this App business was aggressive and disgraceful. Up until now, Kenny was one of the few that I could stomach.
    (Paul Murray lost me back in Feb when he was asking everyone to hug a Chines and show solidarity by supporting Chinese restaurants).
    Anyhoo, back to the App and Mr Bidstrup’s take. I cannot see how this dodgy piece of equipment is going to save one life from the China Bug. But, I can see how it has the potential to be misused, so on balance I would have to agree with Mr Bidstrup. I notice Israel (the country) have had it for a month and given it the flick for security reasons. I also read that the Australian Government might have pirated this App and may face copyright legalities.
    The whole thing has been rushed so these turkeys can be seen to be doing something.
    I agree with the sentiments expressed in this post.
    Oh, and fuck off Matt with your pussy capitulation

  14. Kneel says:

    “…be OK “if you had nothing to hide”…”

    This is the most disingenuous excuse ever invented – next time some moron trots it out, try this:
    OK – so you are happy for all your mail to be on a postcard and put on a billboard? Bills, medical test results, pay slips, everything, all available to anyone who wants to look.
    No? Why not – got something to hide?
    Ah – it’s none of your business, what I buy etc etc.
    Just so.
    If I allow it, that is my choice, not yours – I decide who sees what in my personal life, not you, and certainly not GovCo.
    Envelopes, encryption and what Apps get to see my data – what’s the difference? I don’t have anything to hide, but neither do I want everyone to see everything – simple.

  15. Matt says:

    And Australia has 3 per million. Of course, that’s just a coincidence, and nothing to do with anything that Australia has done.
    I haven’t looked at Vietnam – happy to. I suspect low numbers either through lack of testing or lack of reporting.

  16. Walter Plinge says:

    I’m just surprised how quickly and easily Australians leapt at the chance to do the government’s bidding. Frightening. I’m currently watching a two-part German doco on History about how and why the German people fell for National Socialism. The parallels with Covid-19 are remarkable. Instead the Jews (who Germans were told and believed were a disease to be dealt with) we have Covid-19.

    After the war ordinary Germans, who were interviewed widely at length, accepted no responsibility. It was all Hitler’s fault (but Jews are still unacceptable foreigners). I’m certainly not saying Morrison is a Hitler-like figure but when the scales fall from peoples’ eyes he’s the one who’s going to get the boot.

  17. Sean says:

    We have dodged a major bullet by not being in flu season. The Southern Hemisphere has really low CFR and cases compared with EU/China and North America

  18. Fred Furkenburger says:

    “The “virus app” needs to be shoved up the government backside so far that it never sees the light of day again.” I could add, preferably with the phone attached!

  19. Dr Faustus says:

    This virus might spell the end of career politics and intrusive unaccountablepublic employees ,they have proven they are unable to copewith serious real crisis ,they are more used to crisis’sthey contrive .

    Fred: I’d love you to be right about this – in a sensible world you certainly should be. Unfortunately, Australians seem to thoroughly approve of Government by Expert Decree and the permissive lock.

  20. ESR:

    The whole thing has been rushed so these turkeys can be seen to be doing something.

    Pandemic Theatre.

  21. nfw says:

    Sissy Morrison’s tracking app is just the thing for dobbers and those of low IQ. They would have been great in the socialist regimes such as Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s and the Soviet union anytime. There has long been the belief that it is the state’s job to prove guilt, I do not have to prove innocence. Stick it Morrison and your political party which must now have Bob Menzies spinning. I wonder if No Comment Albanese has any comments if he’s not to busy looking after his pay?

  22. thefrollickingmole says:

    I haven’t looked at Vietnam – happy to. I suspect low numbers either through lack of testing or lack of reporting.

    Mask wearing, strong education (wash hands/fines for being in public unmasked) and a culture of keeping skin covered may be the trifecta.
    Plus they slammed the gate shut very early and quarantined those affected immediately.
    Aggressive following up on possible contacts from the infected as well, without a spy app installed.

  23. Judge Dredd says:

    I suspect low numbers either through lack of testing or lack of reporting.

    NPC: “Look at the stats! It’s clear that the lockdown prevented so many more deaths.”
    Me: “what about Sweden?”
    NPC: “The stats can’t be relied upon, they are fake”
    Me: face-palm

  24. Caveman says:

    “…be OK “if you had nothing to hide”…”

    I do , my job. I’m one of the lucky ones.

  25. Matt says:

    Sweden – 200 deaths per million
    Australia – 3 deaths per million

    Yep, doing a great job in Sweden.

  26. Matt says:

    “NPC: “The stats can’t be relied upon, they are fake””

    I didn’t say the stats were fake, I commented on the potential lack of testing or reporting.
    Testing:
    Australia: 20,000 per million people
    Vietnam: 2,200 per million people

    Cases:
    Australia: 26 per 100,000
    Vietnam: 39 per 100,000

    Deaths:
    Australia: 3 per million
    Vietnam: 27 per million

  27. Snoopy says:

    Yep, doing a great job in Sweden.

    Sweden will end up with an immune population. We’ll be in permanent isolation.

  28. Matt says:

    “We’ll be in permanent isolation.”

    Permanent isolation – do you really believe that?

  29. Diogenes says:

    Not even secure as promised from The Register
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/28/covidsafe_analysis/

    The design of Australia’s COVIDSafe contact-tracing app creates some unintended surveillance opportunities, according to a group of four security pros who unpacked its .APK file.

    Penned by independent security researcher Chris Culnane, University of Melbourne tutor, cryptography researcher and masters student Eleanor McMurtry, developer Robert Merkel and Australian National University associate professor and Thinking Security CEO Vanessa Teague and posted to GitHub, the analysis notes three concerning design choices.

    The first-addressed is the decision to change UniqueIDs – the identifier the app shares with other users – once every two hours and for devices to only accept a new UniqueID if the app is running. The four researchers say this will make it possible for the government to understand if users are running the app.

    “This means that a person who chooses to download the app, but prefers to turn it off at certain times of the day, is informing the Data Store of this choice,” they write.

    The authors also suggest that persisting with a UniqueID for two hours “greatly increases the opportunities for third-party tracking.”

    “The difference between 15 minutes’ and two hours’ worth of tracking opportunities is substantial. Suppose for example that the person has a home tracking device such as a Google home mini or Amazon Alexa, or even a cheap Bluetooth-enabled IoT device, which records the person’s UniqueID at home before they leave. Then consider that if the person goes to a shopping mall or other public space, every device that cooperates with their home device can share the information about where they went.”

    The analysis also notes that “It is not true that all the data shared and stored by COVIDSafe is encrypted. It shares the phone’s exact model in plaintext with other users, who store it alongside the corresponding Unique ID.”

    That’s worrisome as:

  30. WolfmanOz says:

    Matt
    #3433553, posted on April 28, 2020 at 6:32 pm
    Sweden – 200 deaths per million
    Australia – 3 deaths per million

    Yep, doing a great job in Sweden.

    I keep hearing these type of comparisons, which is what is happening now – but what about in 6-12 months time. My guess the ratio of deaths between here and Sweden will be pretty similar, maybe even better in Sweden I’d hazard a guess.

    All conjecture, I know, but given the “models” used by the so-call “experts” a dartboard would be of better use.

  31. MatrixTransform says:

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    everything we did was awesome … and The App, will deffo make it awesome-er
    retards abound.

    I can be in a plantroom of residential tower all day.
    Isolated from every other soul in the building.
    at the same time, I can be a mere couple of meters from other people in their apartments … also isolated.

    I can be in a supermarket and never pass within a meter of 1/2 the people in there … but The App wont have a clue.

    I can sit in traffic for 45 minutes with Mr and Mrs blogs in the car behind me for 15 minutes

    The App, is idiotic … as are the retards promoting it.

  32. Matt says:

    WolfmanOz – agreed, particularly as we are moving into winter. Interestingly (or not) seasonal influenza is down at the moment in Australia. But do we want to end up with that level of more of deaths? And do it in short space of time? And overwhelm the hospital system in a way that puts others at risk?

  33. MatrixTransform says:

    seasonal influenza is down at the moment in Australia

    so is GDP

    Matt, you’re talking pure logical fallacy.

    acting like there’s some sort of arrangement of viral RNA between the poles in yr head.

    the word multivariate mean anything?

    …or are you gonna just stick with what the ABC told you to think?

  34. candy says:

    The LNP are getting lots of good wishes and support from the Left media for all this carry-on. Lapping it up. It’s like pink batts really.

    Greg Hunt on news said one case of transmission in all of Australia today. So all this carry-one, for one case. People’s surgeries cancelled, people not going to hospital or GP when they are ill so as not to take waste the time of our doctors and nurses waiting for a virus patient to emerge.

    What a foolish, silly health minister he is.

  35. Megan says:

    👏👏👏

  36. Exit Stage Right says:

    Matt @6.02pm

    I haven’t looked at Vietnam – happy to. I suspect low numbers either through lack of testing or lack of reporting.
    Matt, you mention Vietnam and numbers in the same sentence.
    Are you a sock for the most most loved contributor on Catallaxy, 1735099?

  37. Docket62 says:

    And overwhelm the hospital system in a way that puts others at risk?

    Like they are now. Ghost towns. Countries hospitals are overwhelmed every year with Flu, and CV is no different. The R number is no different and in fact is trending lower.

    But back to the App. and for full disclosure Matt, I develop apps, so I have some idea of how they work.

    A large portion of the population are prepared to download it, good for them. I, and most people on this site are not some of them, and wont ever be for the simple reason that there is a complete and well justified lack of trust of Government. An app produced in that time frame with no live testing will have more bugs that a windscreen on a summer night – but again, feel free to participate – we all need people who can demonstrate their intellectual superiority.

    They’re called bait.

  38. Matt says:

    Matrix – are you saying that seasonal flu isn’t down in Australia this year? Able to point me to the data that shows that?

  39. Matt says:

    Exit – the reference to numbers was purely coincidental

  40. Shy Ted says:

    We’re at the point where no politician will ever be seen in public again. Good. Shame they won’t get feedback from the proles.

  41. ESR:

    Pandemic Theatre.

    Let me expand…
    The plan for any major emergency in Australia is to prepare plans. Many plans.
    The actions to undertake in a major emergency is to hope it doesn’t happen on your shift.
    We see it time and time again – when SHTF, the only things to happen is the Plan is consulted.
    But the physical hardware to carry out the Plan isn’t there, or is of the wrong kind.
    The armoury keys are in the locked cupboard and no one has the key.
    Or the National Fuel Stockpile is in Alaska.
    Or the PPE has just been snaffled by a stack of Real Estate Agents and is on the way to China.
    Or Singapore has just been isolated, and will fall in the next few days, and we have no fighter cover for Australia.
    Or bushfires have broken out again like they did last year and the year before, and the efforts to contain them have only just worked despite warnings given by Royal Commissions …
    There is a common thread running through this – incompetence at the highest levels.
    Incompetence that costs lives, fortunes, and time.
    I would suggest to you all that these problems would be addressed if Parliamentarians and the senior levels of the Bureaucracy were to face the ultimate sanction for their gross incompetence.

  42. NoFixedAddress says:

    Matt
    #3433468, posted on April 28, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    Our death toll is so low exactly because of the actions that have been taken. Look at the excess all-cause mortality in England, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands or New York city as just some examples. Obviously you would have preferred Australia to have a death rate of 300-500 per million like some of these other countries?

    It is comments like that which indicates you are a facetious moral idiot.

    England, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands or New York city need to look at their useless quarantining, health systems and living conditions.

  43. David. Hear hear!

    And someone please put the door Matt back where he belongs.

  44. NoFixedAddress says:

    Hey Matt

    We only have about 10 years left until WE ALL DIE from CO2 and GLOBAL WARMING anyway.

  45. NoFixedAddress says:

    Yes David, very well said.

    Thank you.

  46. Judge Dredd says:

    Matt, the point is, if your case relies on stats there are also stats that put holes in your argument that the lockdown saved lives. It is impossible to tell either way. What we do know is that the government should be looked at very skeptically by virtue that we know they regularly lie, as does the media. And then why would you trust a known and regular liar. The models, the stats, the preventative measures and the app all come from government institutions.

  47. Matt says:

    So best not to rely on the stats because they’re all lies? So we rely on what? The feelz?

  48. Snoopy says:

    Matt
    #3433563, posted on April 28, 2020 at 6:41 pm
    “We’ll be in permanent isolation.”

    Permanent isolation – do you really believe that?

    From the rest of the world (NZ excepted)? Yes. It’s the only way to prevent another outbreak when there’s no community immunity.

  49. NoFixedAddress says:

    Matt
    #3433637, posted on April 28, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    So best not to rely on the stats because they’re all lies? So we rely on what? The feelz?

    low information quotient Matt

    How many deaths are acceptable to you buy decimating our health system to save a life from CCP Virus?

  50. Don says:

    If Australia has so few cases/deaths compared to other countries, for whatever reason, then there seems not even an immediate significant practical health benefit to be obtained. Put that against the risks attending provision to government of more of my personal information and the balance weighs firmly to “NO”.

  51. Just Passing By says:

    So maybe $1,500,000,000 per death. Bargain.

  52. John Brumble says:

    The problem is, Matt, that you don’t even know what you’re arguing. One second you’re declaring that we should never relax any provisions at all and the next you’re saying that it’s silly to say we won’t always be in lockdown. You can’t have both. Either you reduce restrictions to get out of lockdown or you don’t.
    Meanwhile, if you’re worried about the rates of spread, what happens in your world when we get to flu season and it spreads as you say? We had this wonderful opportunity to improve herd immunity while the sun shone brightly and we did nothing.
    Or are you one of these people who wants to change the goal posts from flattening the curve to waiting for a vaccine? Ignoring that we’ve been without a vaccine for most coronaviruses for decades, what happens in your world if there’s another one in 2022? And 2025? Your model of “everyone go hide in your house” is unsustainable.

  53. Robbo says:

    The app is voluntary so load it if you like or don’t if you don’t like. Over two million have loaded it and trying to persuade them that they are stupid or gullible is simply a waste of time and needlessly insulting.

  54. Matt says:

    John – lot of strawmen there. I didn’t say “we should never relax any provisions at all” – there is clearly a case for the relaxation of restrictions now, and in fact I have successfully argued for that in my particular industry already. Which I why I don’t believe that we will be in lock-down forever. I mean, if you believe that, then we should have been in lockdown since the Spanish flu.
    I’m not hopeful for a vaccine, because we’ve never been able to find one for a coronavirus. Maybe this one is different, who knows – but even if we did, it’s likely 12-18 months away.
    Will it spread more come flu season? Maybe, maybe not. One of the differences that might explain the different pattern in Australia to northern hemisphere countries is seasonality.
    My point is that everyone here is saying ‘look, no deaths, we did it all for nothing’ without any recognition of what has happened around the world.

  55. ryki says:

    So best not to rely on the stats because they’re all lies? So we rely on what? The feelz

    The feelz???

    This whole thing is mass hysteria. The data never justified lockdowns before they occurred and they don’t justify it now.

    This whole disaster stemmed from the ridiculous claim that this virus was “novel”. I knew it was a lie from the first day. Anybody who didn’t should never be allowed to vote again.

  56. egg_ says:

    There was an obsequious loon just on Kenny working himself up into a frenzy about the wonders of SloMao’s tracking app.

    Is it helping SloMo to find his [email protected]?

  57. Matt says:

    ‘I knew this was a lie ….’
    This is more entertaining than most of the stuff on TV. Please, keep going.

  58. MikeS says:

    Just to put our “death toll” into perspective, Australia averages 434 deaths every day of the year

    Probably higher. Population today is about 25 million. Apart from a handful of exceptions, each of those is going to be gone in 100 years. If we all die at a more or less constant rate: 25,000,000 / (100 × 365) = 685 per day. Give or take.

  59. Squirrel says:

    It’s more than a little bit ironic that our government is behaving more like a paternalistic authoritarian regime at the same time that it extends a (long overdue) two fingered salute to an (official) authoritarian regime – we are so close to having a population which would lap up a social credit system.

    On Spurgeon Monkfish’s point about Kenny on Sky, I think that network will come to regret its warm embrace of the tracking app and many other aspects of the official response to the virus – people who want to be told to suck it up and do what the government says already have the ABC, SBS and the other free to air commercial stations for that.

  60. John Brumble says:

    That’s good to hear, Matt. My reading of what people are saying here is that the extent of the restrictions is the issue, not every single restriction. I don’t believe that anyone thinks we should have done nothing.

  61. John Brumble says:

    For example, I’m 100% sure that even ryki believes we should have closed our borders and not allowed the cruise ship passengers to disembark and move freely in the population.

  62. Blindsided says:

    App won’t load on my Android 4 OS, “Oh dear! How sad. Never mind”. It was out of curiosity I was going to load then delete it. Reports of people getting an SMS nastygram for being over 20km from where the phone is recorded as domiciled; big brother is watching and not just reporting on proximity to CCP-19 carriers. Maybe the high infection and death rate is related to the population density of those nations or cities with much higher concentrations of people in close proximity to each other? Generally we in Aust. don’t have that problem, not even in our cities.

  63. Bruce says:

    Viet Nam is a different place.

    Around the time of Tet, you can fly into Saigon and it’s “climate” is definitely “tropical”. After a few days, jump on a plane and fly to Hanoi; you’ll need to be wearing more than shorts, T-wshirt and sandals.

    A bit like flying from Port Douglas to Hobart in August.

    This Kung Flu seems to have done its worst in the Northern Hemisphere Winter, as one might expect from a “flu-like” bug.

    Might also explain why Brazil has not exactly collapsed in a heap.

    Combining “wintry conditions” with high population densities and “interesting” culinary practices may also need to be factored in.

    Around Tet / Chinese New Year, there are also massive movements of people. Part of the tradition involves traveling to the “home town” / ancestral village and taking “gifts and “offerings”. When Tet happens, Hanoi is often blasted by cold winds that roll down the Red River Valley from snow-capped mountains. At the same time, at the other end of the country, Saigon / HCMC during Tet is like Darwin in August; warm and dry, day after day but with several million people on the move all over the region.. Like Darwin, it pretty-much has only has “two seasons”; The WET and The DRY.

    It will be interesting to see if the distribution of the Kung Flu “flips” in four to six month’s time. How many “carriers” are already here, unknowingly, or, if the latest Chinese outburst is indicative, not so unknowingly?

  64. nilk says:

    We only have about 10 years left until WE ALL DIE from CO2 and GLOBAL WARMING anyway.

    Speak for yourself. I froze to death in the great new Ice Age of 1979 then starved to death in 1980. Good job I wasn’t a child in poverty by 1990.

  65. Hay Stockard says:

    Seem to be a few hands up lick spittle chicken littles on here recently.
    Last time I looked the sky hadn’t fallen and,a,few people round my age had passed away.
    But anyway let’s hand the youngsters an economy in ruins. That’s what you gullible gutless fools want.
    A scorched earth as long as your bogey man doesn’t get you.
    You make me sick. Never liked fools and cowards.

  66. MatrixTransform says:

    are you saying that seasonal flu isn’t down in Australia this year? Able to point me to the data that shows that?

    I’ll try to keep it simple for you…

    perhaps the Corona Virus eats all the other flu virus?

  67. Crossie says:

    There is no doubt in my mind that this panicdemic is the greatest cock-up visited on us by our “leaders”,

    It’s not even as if they flipped a coin and said lockdown, they deliberated and ammed and ahhed for weeks on end and still got it wrong. It’s almost as if career politicians have it preset that they will get it wrong. If they ever get anything right it’s more a fluke than deliberate.

  68. Crossie says:

    The “virus app” needs to be shoved up the government backside so far that it never sees the light of day again.

    It should though there are millions of Australians who will download anything without a second thought. This means that if all of them do I won’t have to and it won’t matter.

  69. mizaris says:

    No app … not as long as my arse points to the ground.

  70. jupes says:

    I haven’t looked at Vietnam – happy to. I suspect low numbers either through lack of testing or lack of reporting.

    I suspect that the death rate of bat-flu is so low, that third world nations don’t even notice the deaths.

  71. Scott Osmond says:

    It will be interesting to see what happens after we come out of lockdown. No herd immunity means that numbers of infected will go up. The only way to avoid this would be to open up Australia and keep the borders closed permanently. Considering the open borders globohomo ruling class I don’t think that will happen. The alleged purpose of the lockdown was to buy hospitals and the medical suppliers time. Flattening the curve they called it. Well it’s been hammered flat but they haven’t eased up. Crisis larpers the lot of them.

  72. egg_ says:

    I suspect that the death rate of bat-flu is so low, that third world nations don’t even notice the deaths.

    Yet, the West is tashing Economies over crank modelling.

  73. egg_ says:

    NZ has had the guts to move back to Level 3 restrictions.

  74. Davey Boy says:

    Check out these A-holes, with Mr Vickers channeling his inner jackboot. In different times people like him would be the first up against the metaphorical wall:

    COVIDSafe app should be compulsory, says local chamber of commerce

    A chamber of commerce on Sydney’s north shore has been forced to back down from comments demanding local businesses refuse entry to customers and staff who had not downloaded the COVIDSafe tracing app.

    Ku-ring-gai Chamber of Commerce secretary Peter Vickers said he emailed between 1500 to 2000 businesses across its local government area on Monday directing them to ensure their customers had downloaded the app.

    “It is very important that all businesses inform both their team members and customers that any visitors to businesses in Ku-ring-gai must be carrying a mobile phone with the Covidsafe app operating on it,” Mr Vickers said in the email.

    “Staff and customers should not be admitted to your premises unless they have the app operating.”

    But Mr Vickers followed this email with another in the early hours of Tuesday morning, after some of the email’s recipients informed him that such a direction was illegal.

    The federal rules governing the app’s operation state that a person must not coerce another into downloading the app, or refuse them entry or services on the grounds they have not done so.

    Mr Vickers clarified in the subsequent email that businesses should only encourage people to install the app, while also taking aim at federal Health Minister Greg Hunt’s decision to make the app voluntary.

    “In fact he (Mr Hunt) should have ordered Apple and Android to compulsorily download the app to all phones in Australia,” Mr Vickers wrote.

    “The government forced businesses to close and even had the police chase sunbathers down the beach. They should be using the same force to open up again.”

    Since launching the app on Sunday night, Mr Hunt has attempted to assuage privacy concerns around the data collection involved in the app’s tracking functions, while emphasising uptake was voluntary but strongly encouraged.

    Mr Hunt on Tuesday welcomed the fact that 2.44 million people had downloaded the app, which logs every user who has been within 1.5 metres of a person for at least 15 minutes by using Bluetooth technology.

    Mr Vickers told the Herald he believed the privacy concerns were “rubbish” and the app should be mandatory.

    “The government has wimped out making it compulsory,” he said. “They are too scared of so-called public opinion.”

    He said the fact the app was optional should give businesses the right to refuse service.

    “You don’t have to download the app but businesses should have the freedom to say we don’t want infected people coming into our businesses.”

  75. Cynic of Ayr says:

    That is so, but there are some of us who manage to get through the day without constantly checking facebook to see who has just had a shit
    And that’s it in a nutshell isn’t?
    Zuckerberg has sold millions of dollars worth of advertisements to thousands of businesses, because he promised – ironclad guaranteed – that most of the population are so stupid and so gullible, that they do exactly as the first sentence suggests.
    And these are the people who download the app. Not because they think it will do any good, but merely because it’s a app.

  76. John A says:

    GAFA #3433445, posted on April 28, 2020, at 5:28 pm

    What selfish and seditious words! Haven’t you heard, don’t you know, “we’re all in this together”, equally, fairly, no person shall be left behind…
    A problem shared is a problem halved!

    Yes, according to Babylon Bee even celebrities recognise that “we’re all in this together”

  77. ryki says:

    For example, I’m 100% sure that even ryki believes we should have closed our borders and not allowed the cruise ship passengers to disembark and move freely in the population.

    Sorry but no. We should have kept our borders open to travellers and trade. I am a zero immigration person so that should have been stopped – but nothing to do with the virus.

    The fact is that everything the government did simply fed into the hysteria. The elbow bumping, the hand sanitizer. None of it made any sense and it all simply reinforced the self-perpetuating loop that people were on that the virus was a raging killer that could not be stopped without severe interventions.

    I am not saying the government could have stopped the hysteria but they should have done everything they could in trying to. They should have told the media that whipping up hysteria over a non-existent virus was itself a health emergency and they would very soon be declared a non-essential industry.

    I would have shut down the ABC – the worst of all the hysterics. Although to be fair the ABC would have lasted the grand total of one second if I was leader.

    I would have told people on Facebook that whoever wanted a lockdown would get one. For themselves.

    I would institute a Bill of Rights such that if any politician declares an emergency, then that politician and the relevant public servants wouldn’t get paid until the emergency was over (and would only receive backpay following a popular vote). Also, any lost liberties during the emergency would consequently be suffered by the offending politician – fivefold.

  78. ryki says:

    It’s funny how the side that’s right always wants to compromise the most.

    So many opposed to lockdowns fall over themselves to say “well we should still quarantine the elderly” or “we should have shut down the borders”.

    Why? What do you think you gain by making these concessions? Do you think your opponents are reasonable? Do you think people in the grips of history’s greatest hysteria will carefully assess your costs and benefits?

    You’ve already given up the principle and then you’re just fighting over where to draw the line.

    Germs are ubiquitous and they are never a reason to shut down or even reduce the workings of an economy. Nor are they ever a justification to remove the liberties of anybody.

  79. Matt says:

    Thank god you’re not in charge of anything then Ryki.

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