Renewable energy’s destruction of the electricity supply system. Has the penny dropped?

Remarkably, in this clip the Energy Minister joins the market manager in recognising the perverse effect roof-top renewable energy installations have on the electricity supply system.  Those installations impose costs far greater than the value they tap in “free” sunlight.  This is an outcome common with all wind/solar facilities.

The unmentioned fact in the clip is that there would be negligible take-up of these facilities without subsidies, which annually cost consumers and taxpayers over $4 billion and have caused a doubling of the electricity price. Though economy-saboteurs comprising greens, the ALP and the Turnbull Liberals have been the most complicit in requiring these, the policy approach has also been shared by people who claim to be conservative rationalists within the Coalition.  Astonishingly, the current government remains in favour of the on-going policy of subsidising roof-top solar installations and only one MP, Craig Kelly, is outspoken about the damage being done by the subsidies to renewables!

Having forced closure of reliable cheap coal generators, subsidised wind/solar now comprise a fifth of electricity supply. In addition to their direct subsidies, accommodating them requires expensive management procedures and transmission; even with these the renewables’’ intermittency jeopardises the reliability of the system.

It is testimony to the ignorance of politicians and their and others’ susceptibility to environmental lunacy harnessed by subsidy seekers that we have, over the past two decades, expanded such policies.  In doing so, we have destroyed the world’s cheapest and most reliable electricity system, converting an Australian natural competitive advantage into a competitive disability.

We cannot expect an apology, even from Liberal Ministers (Howard, Hunt, Frydenberg have all joined Turnbull in complicity) but perhaps we are now seeing a realisation of the damage inflicted on the economy by the policies.

While the Commonwealth will, hopefully, stick to the current approach of not subsidising new large-scale wind/solar facilities and even extend this to rooftop solar, the government needs to go further and immediately terminate subsidies received by all energy supplies.  Even with this, we face a long period of recuperation as the industry mends itself, a process not assisted by on-going subsidies delivered by state governments, which like those of Victoria are primarily aimed at outflanking the Greens to save inner-city seats.

 

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36 Responses to Renewable energy’s destruction of the electricity supply system. Has the penny dropped?

  1. Ben

    QLD government recently signed two PPAs with Acciona and Neoen for a combined 750MW over 10yrs, and bought 100MW worth of wind farm from one.

    Western Downs solar farm
    Macintyre wind farm

  2. Dr Faustus

    In addition to their direct subsidies, accommodating them requires expensive management procedures and transmission;

    Excuse me. These are good, well-paying Green jobs you’re talking about here.

  3. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    In doing so, we have destroyed the world’s cheapest and most reliable electricity system, converting an Australian natural competitive advantage into a competitive disability.

    And the disgusting quisling imbeciles responsible will get away with it. In a just world, all of them would be hanging from lamp posts.

    Mind you, in a just world, none of this hysterical anti-scientific fact and evidence free idiocy would have gained any traction in the first place.

  4. mark jones

    Until politicians grow a pair and admit publicly that climate change is BS we will NEVER see the end of these tax hoovering subsidy schemes. If the basic premise is wrong then the whole edifice so constructed is wrong.

    Destroy the myth. Rebuild our industry. Regain our sovereignty

  5. jupes

    Astonishingly, the current government remains in favour of the on-going policy of subsidising roof-top solar installations and only one MP, Craig Kelly, is outspoken about the damage being done by the subsidies to renewables!

    A scathing indictment at the state of the Stupid Fucking Liberal Party at the minute.

  6. jupes

    A scathing indictment of the Stupid Fucking Liberal Party at the minute.

  7. jupes

    In a just world, all of them would be hanging from lamp posts.

    Meanwhile Saint Greta will soon be going to some wankfest to lecture the world on Bat Flu.

    That is the state of the world at the minute.

  8. This is why the case for renewables requires the hellfire argument in terms of the destruction of the planet. All arguments that cannot be made logically and with data are made with hellfire. Converserly, the need for hellfire is proof of the absence of logic.

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/12/19/co2responsiveness/

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/05/31/the-carbon-cycle-measurement-problem/

  9. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    some wankfest to lecture the world on Bat Flu

    jupes – if it’s any consolation that televisual feast will have a global audience of around 15 fart inhaling imbeciles and a dog.

    That’s what happens when you broadcast anything on the hugely unwatched CNN.

  10. The climate change movement is really the continuation of the old anti fossil fuel activism of the 1960s re-armed with a planetary argument. From the Moore film “Have you ever wondered what would happen if a single species took over an entire planet?”. This is the level of eco wackoism that is presented in climate change as a kind of science.

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/23/anti-fossil-fuel-activism-disguised-as-climate-science/

  11. a happy little debunker

    The lesson progressives want us to take from the pandemic is ‘listen to the science’.
    The real lesson to be learnt from the pandemic is that ‘all models are wrong, some are used by fools’.
    Hence renewables are a reaction to a problem based of the GIGO principals of Scientism.

  12. NoFixedAddress

    Politicians are only elected to re-present the views of “Public Servants’ and if you don’t believe that then I challenge anyone to go and read The Acts, Regulations and Amendments that are passed every year.

    We need elected Executive of Government Departments.

    Have a look at The Department of Treasury executive, https://treasury.gov.au/the-department/about-treasury/our-executive

    Check out their ‘Corporate Plan’ and never mind the only plan on the website is for 2018-2019! https://treasury.gov.au/publication/corporate-plan-2018-19

    And the 17 entities that comprise the Treasury ‘Portfolio”! https://treasury.gov.au/the-department/about-treasury/our-portfolio

    And if your hankering for a place to pay off someone we have many boards, 29 for ‘our’ portfolio
    https://treasury.gov.au/the-department/board-appointments

  13. NoFixedAddress

    Politicians are only elected to re-present the views of “Public Servants’ and if you don’t believe that then I challenge anyone to go and read The Acts, Regulations and Amendments that are passed every year.

    We need elected Executive of Government Departments.

    Have a look at The Department of Treasury executive, https://treasury.gov.au/the-department/about-treasury/our-executive

    Check out their ‘Corporate Plan’ and never mind the only plan on the website is for 2018-2019! https://treasury.gov.au/publication/corporate-plan-2018-19

    And the 17 entities that comprise the Treasury ‘Portfolio”! https://treasury.gov.au/the-department/about-treasury/our-portfolio

  14. NoFixedAddress

    And if your hankering for a place to pay off someone we have many boards, 29 for ‘our’ portfolio
    https://treasury.gov.au/the-department/board-appointments

  15. It’s too late.
    When the World Bank and IMF refuses to deal with you (you being a state) unless you have something to say about sustainability, environment and climate change. When sovereign wealth funds like that of the Vikings refuse to invest in fossil fuels and when 3/4 of the Worlds nations are happy to hold out their hand for environmental charity from the wealthy West, you are roundly and soundly fvcked.

  16. Cynic of Ayr

    This is a fact.
    Rarely – if ever – a Politician will get up and state, “I made a mistake.”
    If there is some reversal of policy, it is accompanied by “I was given the wrong advice”, or “We didn’t take into account”, (an admission of mistake, but they don’t see it that way.) or the time honored, “The political/environmental/fiscal/global/factual/science/studies have changed, and out of my control.”
    I see some thinking that, as quoted, “Has the penny dropped?”
    It does not matter if the Penny has dropped, or been hurled to the ground, no one in any form of power, will admit they were wrong.
    It’s just, fucking, impossible.
    The only ones to see the Penny, and take note of it’s descent or otherwise, are the general public voter, and, at present, more or less half of the population is cared for by government, and have no idea who pays for that care.
    There are many things we need, but most of them are now impossible to get.
    I’m sorry, the horse has bolted, and shutting the gate will not return the horse.
    The voters have lost control of their Country. Policies at election time are meaningless. Policy is made on the run, at the behest of un-elected people.
    The so-called “greatest” PM of out time, John Howard, introduced far reaching and expensive gun laws, without taking it to an election!
    Rudd and Gillard carried out policies that were not even mentioned at the election, or even, in the case of Gillard, made an iron-clad guarantee that “There will be no Carbon tax” and after the election, introduced one.
    Again, I am sorry, but Morrison and all his people are, at heart, no different to Gillard.
    It is even almost impossible for the general voter to change his mind, as to do so, would be to admit, he made a mistake.

  17. DaveR

    NFA, there will always be serious opposition to rolling back value-destroying RE subsidies while Frydenberg is in a senior cabinet position. He was more than the enthusiastic Turnbull NEG architect, he actually lobbied against more economically balanced views in the flawed Turnbull government.

  18. Ian Macmillan

    Solar and wind generators should only be licenced if they are able to supply electricity continuously, so that every generator must install sufficient storage capacity to meet this condition.
    Existing installations could be given two years to meet this requirement, or lose their licence.

    The cost would deter the generators, but why should the taxpayers foot the bill for external storage, such as Snowy II, or the S.A. battery?

  19. Kneel

    “That’s what happens when you broadcast anything on the hugely unwatched CNN.”

    Judging by the numbers, it’s only airports, bars etc playing CNN that gives them any viewers at all. IIRC, best shows on CNN only score about 400k viewers – there are many “private” pod-casts and youtube channels that do better!

  20. min

    As I said on another thread , Jim Hackers advised by Sir Humphreys . Haven’t they bothered to look at The planet of the Humans. and if they had why are they still talking R Es?

  21. Rafe Champion

    How much steel can you make with 100MW of power during sunlight hours? Les than daylight hours given the limited sunlight early and late in the day.

  22. cohenite

    chaamjamal
    #3454966, posted on May 16, 2020 at 10:02 am

    Excellent. Thanks for that.

  23. nb

    Gov’t policy is determined by poking one’s head out the window. If the target for policy is not lying in ashes then all is ok. A desert of ashes means start an enquiry into possible change. Mind you, in relation to forest and bushfire policies only ashes will do.

  24. Don’t forget that other subsidy rentseeking Brit. The most frightening aspect is how vulnerable our refrigerated supply chain is. The fights over loo paper were just an entree to the anarchy that would happen overnight if our food logistics was taken offline for 48-hours.

  25. Beachcomber

    It is testimony to the ignorance of politicians and their and others’ susceptibility to environmental lunacy harnessed by subsidy seekers that we have, over the past two decades, expanded such policies.

    It’s also testimony to the power of the ABC and the damage it does.

  26. Destroyer D69

    That light that can be seen ahead in the tunnel is not the light at the end of the tunnel,but the headlight of the oncoming trainwreck that is unavoidably about to hit us.

  27. yarpos

    “The cost would deter the generators, but why should the taxpayers foot the bill for external storage, such as Snowy II, or the S.A. battery?”

    The S.A. battery has zero to do with storage for basic capacity. Its about stability and frequency control.

  28. herodotus

    The Energy Minister is a complete failure, a waffler, a non-event.
    Climate change and the breaking down of our power and industries who depend on it is the worst sequence of political misjudgement so far for thirty years, and longer.
    Conservative governments have failed.

  29. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    It’s also testimony to the power of the ALPBC and the damage it does.

    Shut It Down
    Fire Them All
    Mound Of Skulls
    Salt The Earth
    Nuke From Orbit

  30. Entropy

    Check out their ‘Corporate Plan’ and never mind the only plan on the website is for 2018-2019! https://treasury.gov.au/publication/corporate-plan-2018-19

    You realise government departments only put out strategic plans because the executives like to kid themselves they run the ship like a business, and because the coursework for their Masters of Public Administration has them believe it is the essential tool of every ambitious SES?
    Truth is the actual workers turn up to the presentation, was enthusiastic and then promptly ignore the plans, which are changed as often as the executives, right after the inevitable restructure whenever a new one turns up, and they just keep on doing whatever it is they think they should be doing.

  31. Tel

    There’s some staggering spending in the pipeline.

    https://ieefa.org/australias-new-south-wales-approves-massive-solar-plus-storage-project/

    That’s three quarters of a billion right there.

  32. Professor Fred Lenin

    You guys woth bt feelinggood when Greta finds the Virus cure,thats why the truth channels CNNand ABC are promoting her . Next year when the critical emergency climate catatastrophe crisis conference that was postponed this year because of flu danger to the 30, 000 important scientific experts who were to attend it to solve the problem ,the world would be a ;poorer place without them . This year they will nominate Obama as World Emperor with Greta as chief monster. HOW DARE YOUSE !

  33. Kneel

    “The S.A. battery has zero to do with storage for basic capacity. Its about stability and frequency control.”

    No it’s not about stability any more than it’s about storage for basic capacity. It’s only purpose is the make $ by “shaving” – buy (and store) cheap, sell when prices are higher.
    It has – can have – no other purpose. Well, to clarify, no engineering purpose – it certainly has a political purpose. It’s way too small for frequency support – FMD, a single 2GW power station will easily have 100MW available just for synchronising power!

  34. steve

    Cynic of Ayr
    Your right of coarse I voted for Morrison but was not convinced, my worst fears about him have come true. He has proved that he is just another cowardly pollie frighten of losing his job. He constantly is telling us he is just doing what the experts recommend, isn’t he suppose to be the PM? You know that sign on his desk saying the buck stops here.

  35. steve

    Ian Macmillan
    They should also post bond covering cost of removing the windmill/solar farm, not disappearing into the night and leaving the bill for tax payers. Only fair as they tell us its so profitable and have no need for subsidies.

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