The problem with electric cars (again). They use electricity

The unreal world of net zero in Britain exposed. Just do some arithmetic on the power required for electric vehicles!

Consider Dinorwig Power Station, the biggest hydropower energy-storage plant in the UK. If all UK cars were battery powered, the nine gigawatts of energy stored behind the dam would be capable of recharging about 60,000 of them, or about 0.25% of the UK fleet. We are clearly going to need an extraordinary amount of electricity to convert all personal transport to batteries, even without considering the trucks and vans used in all the logistics that keep our supermarkets, high-streets, and industrial sites stocked.

Where will all this new clean green electricity come from? Something of the order of 70% of Britain’s entire existing electricity-supply capacity will be needed if we are to remain a mobile society.

Hope springs eternal in the RE enthusiast’s breast. Can lightning strike in the same place twice? Apparently. Check out the New Gemini solar power plant near Las Vegas, proving that fact can be  stranger than fiction. Remember Crescent Dunes, not far away! It was a feature in Planet of the Humans.

Liberty Quote -Non-payers of taxes are increasingly productive citizens. Smugglers, pedlars of drugs, young women from families weakened by the welfare state, and other long-familiar categories, may be increasing. But non-payers of taxes outnumber them as typically self-respecting men and women supplementing taxed earnings by evening, week-end or spare-time services in domestic, secretarial, research work, or sitting with the sick, the old or the young, some paid in cash or by swapping skills and spare time.   Arthur Seldon

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26 Responses to The problem with electric cars (again). They use electricity

  1. Jock

    A really good observation that the MSM ignore. For Australia to replace all transport fossil fuels will take a lot of electricity. And its not on a 1 for 1 basis. Oil/petrol is very efficiently converted to energy by comparison to wind or solar.

  2. Rayvic

    Onya Rafe! Just the type of material needed to show how unrealistic the world of net zero is.

    Don’t bet on their ABC ever reporting on Michael Kelly’s article.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    EV sales hammered.

    Chinese NEV Sales Plunge 43%, Falling For The Tenth Straight Month (18 May)

    Brian Gu, president of Alibaba-backed Xpeng Motors said: “The difficulties that EV start-ups have encountered, such as the auto sales decline, harsh fundraising environment and subsidies reduction, all started last year. The outbreak will aggravate these issues that already had existed.”

    He continued: “Only the top-tier EV makers will be able to attract attention from investors in this environment.”

    Experts believe the hit to the EV market could get even worse with the plunging price of oil, even despite subsidies and tax breaks.

    One anonymous investor said: “Those who had not launched mass production of their car models by 2019 would probably die. The outbreak is going to accelerate their death.”

    The problem with the world, post Chinese bat crud, is that governments won’t have money to afford all those yummy subsidies. EV makers are going to be hit with a very large economic cluebat.
    So sad.

  4. pro eng

    Dyson decided to drop electric cars after spending 500 million pounds. He said there was no market to for his expensive cars which were designed to travel 600km in normal weather but not in cold.

  5. Nob

    pro eng
    #3458402, posted on May 19, 2020 at 10:18 pm
    Dyson decided to drop electric cars after spending 500 million pounds. He said there was no market to for his expensive cars which were designed to travel 600km in normal weather but not in cold.

    He also said that the established car makers like Merc & BMW sell EVs at a loss, subsidised by their sales of ICE cars – and he can’t compete with that.

    As if we didn’t know already, this is yet another way in which EVs are subsidised by the hydrocarbons industry.

    I like electric cars. I’ve ridden a lot in Norway. But they are not The Answer to whatever The Problem is.

    Government subsidies to EVs are stifling the market and preventing real contenders from emerging.

  6. Mark M

    Recovery must be green, say big banks

    “Australia’s major banks, insurers and superannuation funds are urging a radical rethink in how to steer the economy out of the pandemic-induced economic crisis, calling for stimulus measures that are consistent with the Paris Agreement climate targets.”

    Prepare for a prefect climate.
    Science!

    https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/recovery-must-be-green-say-big-banks-20200515-p54tc2

  7. Nob

    From bemused’ link:

    It’s also why, despite their light-hearted attempt, the resolution by the Syracuse Common Council in 1992 that “expressly outlawed” snow in the battered American city was always going to fail.

    You can’t control the weather.

    I can’t see young Byrne going far at the ABC with a denialist attitude like that.

  8. Yarpos

    Meanwhile CO2 levels show no divergence from trend despite a global lockdown. It appears that, as often stated, our small contribution to CO2 is meaningless. The good news is we have enough for the planet to keep going.

    The Gemini project should be fine as its a standard solar factory installation. They are making rather grandiose claims for battery storage so that aspect will be worth watching. I have no idea how tgey keep thousands of panels clean in a desert environment, it sounds like one of thoendless se painting the harbour bridge jobs

  9. The other issue in all this high and mighty talk about NET ZERO holier than thou climate action plans to save the planet from fossil fuel emissions is the need of the word “NET”.

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/02/25/net-zero/

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/09/30/cer/

  10. OldOzzie

    Note 1 of the Paper you referenced Rafe, sums it all up

    1. The power station is capable of generating a maximum 1,700
    megawatts for a period of 5.3 hours as the dam is emptied, for a
    total of 9 gigawatt-hours of electrical energy. After that the dam
    must be refilled before continuing.

    After that the dam must be refilled before continuing.

    No mention of how much Electricity used to refill.

  11. Leo G

    Put simply, we lack the ability to provide the infrastructure required to deliver electric cars and electric heating on the scale required by 2050. The plan to do so appears to be unachievable, with basic materials requirements representing the show-stopper.
    But we are trying to do it anyway.

    The real plan appears to be net zero human civilisation by 2050.

  12. Professor Fred Lenin

    The problem will be solved Rafe by limiting cars to important people only,politicians,gangrene activites ,public employees the left media ,drug dealers ,vintners and fine food shops . The important items needed by the ruling class .Its quite simple when the work is finished the proles go into lockdown .
    There is always a solution to every problem if you employ spin doctors .
    (_speaking of spin doctors reminded me of the obnoxious little Scotch bastard Giliard paid with our money ,hes probably lecturing in lying at some communist university in Scotland .

  13. Just imagine the peak demand when people get home from work and plug in their EVs.
    I imagine quite a few enterprising people will have petrol generators to do the job.

    p.s. For the multiple car families, will double adapters work?

  14. Just imagine the peak demand when people get home from work and plug in their EVs.
    I imagine quite a few enterprising people will have petrol generators to do the job.

    This won’t be needed, as the majority will be working from home or on the dole by then.

  15. Professor Fred Lenin

    This global climate scam is destined to fail,
    ,it cannot concievably work, its one of those intellectual projections with a utopian result that has never been thought through fully ,no one has done a pros and cons examination of the projection .
    Just because it has been computer modelled is reason enough to doubt its results ,computer models are notoriously inaccurate , crap in crap out .
    Look at the projections for the Chinese disease all false, a power trip for the power hungry.
    Look at the EU crumbling like the Soviet Union did ,but much quicker . The UN founded on ideals and hijacked by leftist fascists and religous nuts .
    China will go the same way as the Soviets one day soon, when other nations stop relying on them for cheap goods . Human nature has a way of sorting things out .

  16. yarpos

    “Just imagine the peak demand when people get home from work and plug in their EVs.”

    But Humbug , you are ignoring the rainbows and unicorns world that will exist when we reach EV nirvana. Some cars will be home charging from solar panels, some cars will be charged at work by generous employers or in car parks. As the range of EVs is so great and we all only drive the average 40kms a day (thats how averages work isnt it?) then charging will be a varied and intermittent process rather than every day at home time. In any case the ubiquitous home battery will be fully charged and supply the car without the slightest strain on the grid. In most cases full autonmous driving will be in place and we will be using cars as a service rather owning them so charging is someone else problem anyway. All of this is pretty straight forward stuff and can be deployed globally , at scale.

    Well thats all from Fantasyland, tommorrow our story will be from Adventureland

  17. Bob in Castlemaine

    The sad thing about the nonsense about just plugging your electric car it in overnight, as you would your smart phone, is that the average electric car requires more than a thousand times as much energy for charging. But with the dumbing down of recent generations this kind of crap as spruiked by the renewables crowd and our lamestream media gets a free pass with no proper scrutiny.
    The question of powering such things like ships, earth moving plant, and heavy transport doesn’t even rate a mention. The unicorn breeding fraternity if asked will blithely tell you no worries we just use hydrogen – yet another bunch of pixie dust in the moonbeams.

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    The sad thing about the nonsense about just plugging your electric car it in overnight, as you would your smart phone, is that the average electric car requires more than a thousand times as much energy for charging.

    The fun thing too is if you plugged a Telsa into a wall socket in your house (10A x 240 V) it would take 42 hours to charge from zero to 100 kWh. Who is going to want to wait 42 hours?

    Even with more sockets the ordinary feeder to the house is only about 60 A, so it would take 7 hours using the entire electricity supply to quick charge it. Burning out the feeder by forgetting the car and boiling the jug would be entertaining.

    And EVs with much bigger batteries are coming out, eg the Tesla Roadrunner project 200 kWh battery.

    Of course if you have an ordinary car you could fill the tank in a minute at a servo.

  19. Professor Fred Lenin

    Renewable energy will be free of course? Wind and sun are free arent they? Why do you have to pay for something free? Lets encourage this kind of thinking ,cause endless anguish to the carpetbaggers and the career politicians they own .

  20. Dasher

    These are very important articles that should be widely aired. I dont know if this is technically correct in every detail, but it accords with my understanding of the problem. I would love to see a debate with the author and any prominent climate catastrophist who promotes across the board EVs, I am pretty sure who would win. Interestingly there is another myth that has been exploded in similar fashion….zero emissions by 2050. There is an academic, John Pelke JR who has done some simple arithmetic and showed how much power, worldwide is produced using fossil fuels and therefore how much has to be removed and replaced by emissions free power…he chose nuclear power. In a nutshell you would need to commission something like
    four nuclear power stations worth of energy every 2 days from a date in 2018 to 2050 and decommissions one nuclear power station equivalents every day over the same period to achieve the aim . Some countries might be able to but remember this a worldwide figure. Now imagine if we follow Young Greta and try to do it by say 2030, the numbers become more astronomical. It simply will not happen and we will pay a huge cost chasing this fantasy. I have never heard this study mentioned on the ABC!!

  21. hzhousewife

    Pulled up behind a Tesla last weekend, first time I noticed one.
    Wished I’d had a sticker to donate to his bumper, to wit : ” This car runs on coal and gas”

  22. John A

    OldOzzie #3458566, posted on May 20, 2020 at 8:52 am

    Note 1 of the Paper you referenced Rafe, sums it all up

    1. The power station is capable of generating a maximum 1,700
    megawatts for a period of 5.3 hours as the dam is emptied, for a
    total of 9 gigawatt-hours of electrical energy. After that the dam
    must be refilled before continuing.

    After that the dam must be refilled before continuing.

    No mention of how much Electricity used to refill.

    What? Refilled every day?

  23. PB

    The ICE engined car is a mobile power station. It will run for quite a long time before needing a refill if you are stationary on a snowed-in road somewhere in Scotland or Canada and you need to run heating until help finds you. Same applies in the desert where an AC will still buy you some time as long as the engine runs. You will simply die from exposure in a Tesla in these same circumstances.

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