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The source of freedom is not the words written in a constitution. Freedom is the refusal of a community to accept arbitrary rule and in which arbitrary rule cannot be enforced.

Is there any reason to believe that any of us is now living in a free society?

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38 Responses to The source of personal freedom

  1. Tel

    A constitution is, at best, a sign post that points to the moon.

    It will never actually be the moon.

  2. cuckoo

    The sentiment is true, but FWIW I don’t think that’s an actual Orwell quote. It’s not his language.

  3. Have we ever really lived in a free society? If it’s not Federal government, the states or councils making and enforcing rules that you have to live by, it’s unions making and enforcing rules that you have to work by, or it’s media and technology companies telling you what you can or cannot say. The list goes on.

  4. Behind Enemy Lines

    As I have been saying for quite some time, we aren’t free, we’re just free range. Or; things aren’t getting worse, they’re just getting more obvious.

  5. cuckoo

    Is there any reason to believe that any of us is now living in a free society?

    It’s pretty weak, but one glimmer of hope is the refusal of australians to download the COVID tracking app in sufficient numbers (now a state secret). Robust Irish democracy would have been good, but we have here a case of robust Australian indifference, which is almost as good.

    I would have loved to see some pushback against the idea that if Daniel Andrews says we have to jump on one foot and bark like a dog, then we have to do it because he’s the GOVERNMENT and we are merely the governed. Instead we got a handful of 5G/anti vaxxer kooks from ABC central casting.

  6. Cynic of Ayr

    My MP claims that 5 million have downloaded the app.
    My question, how many are actually working (re the iPhone debacles) was ignored.
    (I read somewhere that Morrison needed 8 million to make it viable.)
    I did not download the app for two main reasons:
    1. It’s stupid beyond belief that it only traps those who were in close proximity for 15 minutes. In other words, it only records those I associate with!
    2. Fuck ’em!

  7. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I did not download the app for two main reasons:
    1. Fuck ’em!
    2. See reason one.

  8. sfw

    I see that NZ has legislated for police entry into private property without a warrant, can we be far behind?

  9. The Countess

    We haven’t been free for a long time. COVID 19 has merely accentuated the losses. I keep telling Mr 19 and Miss 17 that it didn’t used to be like this. Not entirely sure if they believe me.

  10. Gilas

    Australia leads the World in sheepleness.

    Sheeples don’t care about freedom.

    They don’t know what it is, or what to do with it.

  11. John A

    cuckoo #3458742, posted on May 20, 2020, at 12:49 pm

    The sentiment is true, but FWIW I don’t think that’s an actual Orwell quote. It’s not his language.

    However, see https://www.newsweek.com/george-orwell-quote-birthday-life-author-animal-farm-1984-993960 which links to The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell: As I please, 1943-1945

  12. Rohan

    Nah, there’s now a palpable growing anger at what’s happening. Especially within the SME landscape.

    I’m seing people who were otherwise disenguaged with politics are now seeing the light. My rant’s are no longer being seen as VWRC based rants but actually have substance. So the perception is shifting. The fact that Palacechook decided to have the borders closed until September at least has woken a lot of people up in the last few days.

    I’m exercising civil disobedience this weekend. Fuck ’em.

  13. Alex

    “The source of freedom is not the words written in a constitution. Freedom is the refusal of a community to accept arbitrary rule and in which arbitrary rule cannot be enforced.” Well said and it puts it back on us to do the refusing.

    In regard to the use above of the word for sexual intercourse personally I could never work out why that word, which I associate with pleasure, is used to denote the opposite. Maybe its a problem of a word being all of an adjective, adverb, noun and verb! Anyway I think there’s a better word as described below.

    Anyway I did not download the app for two main reasons:
    1. SadoMasochist ’em!
    2. See reason one.

  14. Iampeter

    The source of freedom is not the words written in a constitution. Freedom is the refusal of a community to accept arbitrary rule and in which arbitrary rule cannot be enforced.

    Is there any reason to believe that any of us is now living in a free society?

    Yea but you voted for Trump and support his policies of regulating who gets to live where and who they do business with.

    You are not on the side of freedom and probably couldn’t even define it.

    Who are you directing these questions at?

    Or is this just trolling?

  15. H B Bear

    People of Victoriastan take note.

  16. Yea but you voted for Trump and support his policies of regulating who gets to live where and who they do business with.

    Quit your bullshit.

    EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PRESDIENT has had the same policy since Bill Clinton.

    Obama actually started the wall.

    Trump also put 0% tariffs on the table with the G8, no one wanted to take him up on the offer.

  17. Rex Anger

    Only troll any of us can see is you, Petey.

    Seriously, it takes a leftist to know a leftist. And only a leftist can call out a non-leftist as being a leftist.

    Have I leftist you behind yet?

  18. Roger

    I see that NZ has legislated for police entry into private property without a warrant, can we be far behind?

    Hate to break it to you, sfw, but police in most (all?) Australian states states can enter your property without a warrant, albeit only under certain legally defined circumstances.

  19. Tim Neilson

    Yea but you voted for Trump and support his policies of regulating who gets to live where and who they do business with.

    Conceit! Stupidity! Ignorance!

    It’s the Iamashiteater trifecta reliably on display as usual.

    Iamashiteater has never come up with one example of Trump regulating so as to prohibit anyone doing business with someone else – but he keeps repeating the bullshit.
    (I understand that Trump has now directed some government institutions not to invest in Chinese enterprises because of the virus related financial risks, but Trump is Head of Government, so that’s just like a CEO deciding his company’s investment policy.)

    As for regulating who gets to live where, anti-trespass laws and ejectment laws both also have those functions, and it’s been proved incontrovertibly on other threads that border restrictions are qualitatively no different to laws protecting private property rights.
    But Iamashiteater still repeats the same bullshit.

    Because he’s too conceited, stupid and ignorant to learn anything.
    And he’s 100% ignorant about politics.

  20. Bosnich

    Impete …” or is this just trolling”?
    No it’s just you being a Dickhead,as usual.

  21. sfw

    Roger, I know the law too and this removal of the need for a warrant is terrifying. The only way that police can currently enter your house is by invitation, warrant, safety check, person escaping from an indictable offence and a couple of others. If you are currently having some friends over and your stasi neighbours dob you in, they cannot enter the house without your permission, so just don’t answer the door or if you do tell them to go away and shut the door, in NZ they can now enter and do what they want. This is a precious freedom and must not be lost.

  22. Crossie

    Behind Enemy Lines
    #3458744, posted on May 20, 2020 at 12:53 pm
    As I have been saying for quite some time, we aren’t free, we’re just free range.

    For the last two months we definitely have not been free range. Even now our range is rather curtailed.

  23. iain russell

    I drive on the left. I obey the speed signs. Am I free?

  24. Squirrel

    In a nation of smart(sic)phone carrying zombies, some heart can be taken from the fact that the take-up of the dishonestly named app (something which tells you that you’ve been potentially endangered after that has happened does not keep you safe) has slowed markedly.

    The other thing which is going to get interesting is the obvious contradiction between a complete lack of social distancing for air travel – as we heard today from QANTAS – and the fiasco which public transport commuters and elevator users are going to be facing due to “social distancing” rules.

  25. Rex Anger

    And already are- Many howls of rage and confusion from Adelaide at present. The diesel suburban railcar fleet needed urgent safety upgrades, and availability has taken a massive hit. Peak commuter services are standing room only, according to the news. Yet no spikes of infection as yet reported. Curious, would you not agree?

  26. Herodotus

    It’s over.
    Look after yourselves and your family.

  27. Steve

    It’s quite clear it is now a battle of normal people vs the Elite and their stooges.

    I never advocate any form of violence nor sedition, however I can’t speak for others.

    If you got to http://www.wef.ch you can see laid out very clearly the globalist agenda for humanity. They dress it up in thoughtful flowery language but it comes down to, like in the USA, getting the military to physically hold you down while you are physically violated with a vaccine of their choosing, likely with nano sized microchips included for tracking purposes.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-trump-idUSKBN22Q1Q2

    I used to think it was tin foil hat stuff, but Gates is now talking openly of tattooing everyone like sheep…..

    People need to be aware of this , especially what looks like mandatory ( forced , you have no rights) vaccination.

    I predict it will start Civil War 2 in the USA as the bulk of the population say “he’ll no” to being done over by their own soldiers…. Trump could be the guy who dissolves the USA into an ungovernable mess.
    Makes me wonder if it’s the excuse to bring in foreign UN troops to put down people exercising their right to choose what goes into their bodies…..

    Something evil this way comes…..

  28. Iampeter

    EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PRESDIENT has had the same policy since Bill Clinton.

    Sounds like you need to be arguing with Steve, not me.

    Obama actually started the wall.

    No shit. It’s a leftist idea after all.
    Who are you arguing with, lol?

    Iamashiteater has never come up with one example of Trump regulating so as to prohibit anyone doing business with someone else

    Yea so like the other clueless leftists here you don’t know what a “tariff” is, do you?
    Also, you would probably argue that it was the fault of the Ukranians stomachs for them all starving, not the mass expropriation of their property. You do love your semantics to avoid facing how you have no arguments.

    Only troll any of us can see is you, Petey.

    That’s because you don’t know what a “troll” is anymore than you know anything else.
    Can’t wait for your next confused word salad. Do your parents know you’re LARPing political discussion on the internet? Try to mention the word “hearth” more.

  29. Professor Fred Lenin

    Steve whats wrong with tatooing people its an pld socialist custom , comrade Hitler did it to lots of people .

  30. Howard Hill

    All that needs to be said. Until the majority grow a pair, the only change will be for the worse.

  31. gafa

    I’m exercising civil disobedience this weekend. Fuck ’em.

    I love the sentiment but these days it works best for those with nothing to lose or those with too much to lose, good luck.
    Hope TailGunner is ok…

  32. vlad

    John A
    #3458823, posted on May 20, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    cuckoo #3458742, posted on May 20, 2020, at 12:49 pm

    The sentiment is true, but FWIW I don’t think that’s an actual Orwell quote. It’s not his language.

    However, see https://www.newsweek.com/george-orwell-quote-birthday-life-author-animal-farm-1984-993960 which links to The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell: As I please, 1943-1945

    cuckoo beat me to the same suspicion. And the google books version of that volume of Orwell that allows a search does not turn up any reference for “accomplices”.

    Orwell gets a lot of stuff attributed to him, as do Mark Twain, Oscar Wilde and Einstein. Proceed with caution.

  33. Tim Neilson

    Iamashiteater said Yea but you voted for Trump and support his policies of regulating who gets to live where and who they do business with.

    I said Iamashiteater has never come up with one example of Trump regulating so as to prohibit anyone doing business with someone else

    As usual Iamashiteater went into a trouser- soiling meltdown and said Yea so like the other clueless leftists here you don’t know what a “tariff” is, do you?

    Poor old trouser soiler seems to think that if a government says “if you import X there’s a cost” they’re “regulating” who you can do business with.

    On that basis, being required to pay registration for a motor vehicle, or charging a fare for public transport, is “regulating” what form of transport you’re allowed to use.

    Poor old trouser-soiler.

  34. Dr Faustus

    Love your work iampeter.
    Unless I have it wrong, tonight you’re spoofing as a conservative, portraying a left wing student parodying a right winger.
    Whatever, it’s excellent.

    And very thought provoking.

  35. Iampeter

    I’m the one not spoofing as anyone here and actually making right wing points on what’s meant to be a right wing site.
    You don’t meet left wing student-level types who are accidentally arguing for capitalism while claiming to be left wing, like you keep meeting conservative types who are constantly advocating socialism without even realizing it.

    All I’m saying is you guys might want to look into this whole politics thing at some stage.

  36. Okay Peter, tell us what right wing parties or groups you are a member of.

    *But none of them are right wing*

    Okay goodbye, you ineffectual, inconsequential loser.

  37. Cynic of Ayr

    Alex:
    In my yoof, there was a screed going around that listed the myriad ways that the word of which we speak is, and can be used.
    Adjective, verb, pronoun, noun an’ all the other stuff.
    In fact, it’s got me xxxxed how any one can carry on a conversation without it. But, to be fair, I’m pretty decadent.
    As an aside, I don’t think machinery will work, unless spoken to severely, using the word. Well, I myself haven’t been able to get it to work any other way.

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