She knew Australians loved it

 

The final majority, of course, was actually 55 seats – the biggest in Australian history.

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67 Responses to She knew Australians loved it

  1. It’s a pity though that we got Fraser. Another useless Malcolm.

  2. Fat Tony

    And did nothing with it to undo what Whitlam had done.
    Did give us a heap of mussy Lebs tho…

  3. Rusty of Qld

    Being a newly minted staried eyed little voter I voted for Gough in 72 and then again in 74 when he pulled on an early election. I know he was doing terrible damage to the economy by 75 but would have preferred that Kerr had dismissed/suspended Gough, left him there as seat a warmer and we the people could have then vented or utter disdain for the shambles of his so called Government.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    People voted.

    The Left can never handle that fact – the Australian electorate had their say, and dismissed their idol in a landslide.

  5. Carpe Jugulum

    There was a reason he was called Shitlam

  6. stackja

    Whitlam wanted bank depositors to fund his government. Australia came close to anarchy.

  7. areff

    Control of both houses — and the useless bastard still didn’t cut taxes.

  8. Neil

    Table 1 says Whitlam increased govt spending by 19.9% in 1974 and 15.7% in 1976 taking govt spending from 18.5% of GDP to 24%. Was something lese happening to explain such a large increase in spending or was Gough a big spender?

    https://budget.gov.au/2019-20/content/bp1/download/bp1_bs10.pdf

  9. BorisG

    It’s a pity though that we got Fraser.

    People voted.

  10. Cynic of Ayr

    The Left can never handle that fact – the Australian electorate had their say, and dismissed their idol in a landslide.
    This is the thing, isn’t it? They all blamed Kerr, but in reality, all Kerr said was, “I’m calling an election, Guff, and it’s yours to win or lose.”
    And that was the end of that.
    Kerr had one vote, I assume, if Governor Generals get the vote, so it was hardly a deciding vote.
    I agree though, that the replacement was an absolute dud, just as Turnbull was. And, like Whitlam and the left, he blames everyone else for his demise.

  11. Petros

    The Liberal party selected Fraser to be their leader, Boris. Do try to understand the Australian system.

  12. Professor Fred Lenin

    I was on country building site with 12 others when we heard on radio Whitlam had been sacked, the blokes cheered ,yes working tradies cheering the removal of a “workers Party “PM we even had drinks at the pub that night all cheerfull . Everybody knew he was a useless arrogant prick surrounded by alp incompetemt aparatchiks and union theives . Fraservwas useless too but a mild improvement , mostly because he wasnt Whitalm .
    I used to say he wasnt allowed to die ,God said “theres only room for one God here and thats me !”.

  13. entropy

    I was only young at the time but I remember people running up and down our country town sreet knocking on doors and cheering at the dismissal. the vote showed it was a very common view in the community.
    Years later when I was working in Canberra I discovered it that Canberrans had an almost universal disbelief that Their Hero was dismissed. It was a common belief that the people agreed that what Kerr had done was terrible and the country hated him. It was when I realised what incredible disconnect people who grew up in Canberra have with the world outside their utopia.

  14. Iain Russell

    Always a good start to enraging the Progs and the Filth: greatest day of my life when we, the peoe, kicked the Great Helmsman and his Ship of Fools into the shitcans of history. I do hope Good Queen Bess had a serious hand in helping Whitlam’s man Kerr to return Australia from the brink. As for Mal……🤬

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    David Smith was the secretary to the Governor General – he was the man who read the proclamation dissolving Parliament on November 11th 1975. His book “Head of State” – written to counter some of the myths surrounding the Dismissal – makes two very good points.

    ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TIMES between 1950 and 1970, Labor Oppositions had attempted to oppose money Bills, in the Senate, for the sole purpose of forcing the Government of the day to an early election (Page 264)….

    “It was the Australian Labor Party that had the Speaker of the House of Representatives write to the Queen to ask her to overrule the Governor General, to halt the democratic election processes which had already been set in train under Australian law, and restore Whitlam to office as Prime Minister.

    The Speaker was reminded by Buckingham Palace that the Australian Constitution placed all Constitutional matters squarely in the hands of the Governor General in Canberra, and that the Queen had no part in the decisions which the Governor General must take in accordance with that Constitution.

    “Her Majesty, as Queen of Australia, is watching events in Canberra, with close interest and attention. but it would not be proper for her to intervene, in person, in matters which are so clearly placed within the jurisdiction of the Governor General by the Constitution Act. (Pages 259 – 260.)

  16. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Gough visited Cairns during the melee and a nice young thing was spotted wearing a T-shirt with –We want Goughs– on the front, and the thought of –even his followers can’t punctuate — went through ones mind until she passed but the back said it all for it read –BALLS–

  17. There was almost dancing in the streets in Melbourne, of all places. That bloke and his rag tag crew had to go, fast.

  18. cuckoo

    I have no idea about the legal rights of this case, but when I see the self-righteous old trout who brought it grinning in triumph, I know where I stand.

  19. Pete of Freo

    “F” for Fraser, “F” for FAILURE. “F” for quite a number of other things also but the Moderators are a little more strict these days. Kept Medibank, continued “free’ uni, increased government spending, did nothing about tax legislation, championed Mugabe, brought in the scum of Lebanon, supported “multiculturalism”, pandered to the Unions. The only positive from his whole disastrous tenure was the raft of “dry” policies (developed by some of the competent types) which were left for Hawke to implement.
    The great indictment against the Howard failure is that his mob were so policy devoid that Rudd was left with nothing but a surplus to spend and his own devices to try and invent something which sounded like a policy, and we got what we got.
    I fail to see how anyone who claims to be a Libertarian, a Liberal or a Conservative could possibly align themselves to the Liberal Party or look at Howard’s mob as anything but the dismal failures that they were.

  20. A reader

    The Queen’s correspondence is hers and private. Why did the High Court overrule the sovereign’s rights? Or more importantly how?

  21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I have no idea about the legal rights of this case, but when I see the self-righteous old trout who brought it grinning in triumph, I know where I stand.

    I’m seeing someone desperate to prove that there was some sort of right wing conspiracy to get rid of Gough – the Queen and the C.I.A all plotting Whitlam’s downfall.

  22. Oh come on

    The dismissal was a bad idea and shouldn’t have happened. Trumble – I mean Fraser – should have done it the conventional way in 1976.

    Fraser was very much like Trumble in that they both consider(ed) themselves as such exceptional individuals that it would be seen as a historical imperative for them to break established norms and conventions so they they could assume power as expeditiously as possible. They simply had to take control immediately. It would be a catastrophe if they didn’t.

    Of course, both men also possessed a gulf of similar vastness between their self perception of their abilities, and what they were actually able to do.

    Fraser could have been forgiven for his conceit in November 1975 if he delivered something really good when in power. But he was oh-so mediocre.

  23. Neil

    The great indictment against the Howard failure is that his mob were so policy devoid that Rudd was left with nothing but a surplus to spend

    Why do you say Howard as PM was policy devoid? I would say he had some good policies but was not good at selling them. Some policies may have been bad like Workchoices but he had policies which the left was good at demonising. In contrast labor is good at selling bad policies.

    Does anybody remember Rudds 2007 NBN policy? It was a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. After winning the election labor thru that policy into the bin. If Howard had lied like that to win an election Labor would never let him forget it

  24. stackja

    Whitlam was destroying the Australian economy. Quick action was needed.

  25. stackja

    Wharf reforms forgotten?

  26. Eyrie

    When history is written Fraser will be seen to have had a significant role in the destruction of Southern Africa.

  27. Neil

    Whitlam was destroying the Australian economy. Quick action was needed.

    Unemployment doubled under Gough. It went from 2% to 4% in no time flat. Today we would give anything for a 4% unemployment rate. Back in those days 4% unemployment was regarded as immorally high because Australians were used to 2% unemployment

  28. Neil

    I remember my elderly relatives telling me under Menzies if you did not like your job you left and got another job very quickly. Under Menzies unemployment was at 2%. Gough destroyed all that.

    In fact after trashing the budget debt kept increasing until it reached 18% of GDP by 1996. In a great achievement Howard started running surplus budget and took govt debt to zero by 2007 where it was in 1972

    Whitlam trashed the budget and our low unemployment rate

  29. Oh come on

    It could have waited a year. And Fraser wasn’t a huge improvement over Gough. Fraser liked to talk about the totality of the circumstances when justifying what he did. Well, we now have the totality of the circumstances thanks to hindsight. Fraser was a mediocre PM, and now the left has a political martyr who will haunt Australian public life forever.

    The dismissal was a bad idea.

  30. Neil

    And Fraser wasn’t a huge improvement over Gough.

    Lefties like Fraser. That says a lot.

  31. Up The Workers!

    Yeah, the people kicked out the Crims’ Party, but all of Oily Al’s ‘horticultural’ pals down in Griffith still grew and sold their ‘wacky tabaccy’ without any Police or Judicial impediment, and politician-owned brothel-boats loaded with crims and coke sailed around Sydney Harbour amidst the over-insured burning printing firms and Swiss Bank Accounts.

    Ahh…those were the days of good old Socialist misgovernance.

    That’s just the way New South Wales was Wran in those days.

    You could get away with murder back them – literally.

  32. Mique

    The record of the Whitlam government could be summed up as gross stupidity. Cruel people might even suggest that it was wilful stupidity. Whatever!

    But for me, Whitlam is remembered for his evil bastardy and moral cowardice. First, as Leader of the Opposition, he went to the then Territory of Papua and New Guinea and breached convention by promising independence. In the context of the time and place, it was grossly cynical and irresponsible.

    Second, on his return from that trip in a RAAF VIP aircraft, he landed at Richmond RAAF Base where I was an air traffic controller on duty in the Control Tower. Veritable swarms of journalists from all the media were gathered in and around the normal passenger terminal at the eastern end of the base, waiting to ambush him about his statements in PNG. So we in the tower were directed to park the aircraft at the other end of the the base where he and Mrs Whitlam were met by the Base Commander and whisked off to the Officers Mess and entertained for an hour or so, before scurrying off home in his COMCAR out the back gate.

    Third, in the fullness of time along came Cyclone Tracy and destroyed Darwin. Having been dragged kicking and screaming back from his Greek Odyssey, Whitlam arrived a day or so later at the RAAF base in Darwin. As standard protocol, Prime Ministers and other VIPs of such status are greeted at the foot of the air-stairs by the Base Commander or by a senior officer. Unfortunately, all the base brass were married men with families struggling to deal with the destruction of their homes and other mayhem. So an unmarried officer, a very junior air traffic controller, was detailed to greet him. Whitlam’s first, and pretty much only, words to this poor bloke were to the effect “Get out of my way. This is a civilian operation, not a military one.” As a former RAAF officer himself, Whitlam would have been well aware of the very junior status of his official greeter, so he ought to have known better than to vent his spleen on him. All class, our Gough.

    Finally, the icing on the cake. My next door neighbour at the time was the senior officer on the detachment of Hercules aircraft sent to Saigon to evacuate the Australian Ambassador and Embassy personnel before the imminent fall of Saigon. He was present while the Ambassador was on the phone to Whitlam almost literally begging for permission to evacuate the Embassy’s locally employed civilian staff. Whitlam emphatically and explicitly ordered that they not be evacuated. Thus, they were left a very unpleasant fate.

    Whatever else he may have been, Whitlam was not anyone to be proud of.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Unemployment doubled under Gough. It went from 2% to 4% in no time flat. Today we would give anything for a 4% unemployment rate. Back in those days 4% unemployment was regarded as immorally high because Australians were used to 2% unemployment

    Unemployment went to over 5%, inflation tripled to nearly 20%, and a 25% cut in tariffs did a fair amount of damage to Australian industry.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Finally, the icing on the cake. My next door neighbour at the time was the senior officer on the detachment of Hercules aircraft sent to Saigon to evacuate the Australian Ambassador and Embassy personnel before the imminent fall of Saigon

    Was that the episode where the Ambassador demanded that priority be given to his household effects, and four Royal Australian Airfield Defence Guards found themselves left on the tarmac, with a pistol and five rounds each to face the North Vietnamese Army? Fortunately, an aircraft was diverted to evacuate them…

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    four Royal Australian Air Force Airfield Defence Guards…

  36. Walter Plinge

    Doing the rounds at the time:

    Gough and Margaret are in bed. Margaret turns to Gough and whispers, “Do to me what you’re doing to Australia…only do it slowly”.

  37. BorisG

    The Liberal party selected Fraser to be their leader, Boris. Do try to understand the Australian system.

    So, you don’t like the Australian system ?

  38. Whalehunt Fun

    This thing speaks of “accurate history”. Accurate history is already public knowledge: Whitlam was a piece of filth you would not bother to extinguish if he was on fire. There is no criminal so foul, depraved, ignorant, stupid and repellant as Whitlam. The irony is they cremated him rather than buried him. Right-minded people would have dug him up and hanged him.

  39. Squirrel

    Given the restrictions which the Palace had put on access to the letters, there must be some entertaining stuff in there, but surely it can’t be any worse than the phone call with the fake Canadian PM about the secession of Quebec.

  40. Neil

    and a 25% cut in tariffs did a fair amount of damage to Australian industry.

    In the late 1970s we used to make everything. Now it is all gone. We are even importing garlic Made in China. I purchased 200g of garlic from Aldi for $5 made in Australia. Went to Westfield and saw the same thing but 500g for $5. Looked at the tag and it said Made in China

    How can we compete when locally made garlic is twice the price of garlic imported from China?

  41. Hay Stockard

    Whitlam was the most arrogant arse I ever had to look after. He did, however, have to put up with my irreverence to his most august personage.

  42. theleftfootkick

    Yes very good point, everyone thought he was the go to man, but alas a complete dud!

  43. theleftfootkick

    That old joke at election time years later about Fraser, Tamie got one Fraser is one.

  44. duncanm

    Neil
    #3468514, posted on May 30, 2020 at 6:15 pm
    .. aldi .. How can we compete when locally made garlic is twice the price of garlic imported from China?

    I’m not sure it is all garlic.

    The Aldi stuff used to be Australian, and I just buy it as part of my staples.

    The last jar I bought about 2 weeks ago has a weird texture (almost as if it was thickened with cornflour), and lo and behold – ‘made in china’ on the label.

    Won’t be buying that again.

  45. Neil

    The Aldi stuff used to be Australian, and I just buy it as part of my staples.

    That was my point. The garlic i purchased from ALDI was locally made. The bottled garlic in ALDI was from China

    I went to Westfield and the fresh garlic at half the price was made in China.

    So what do i do? Purchase fresh garlic made here from ALDI or garlic Made in China for half the price?

  46. Knuckle Dragger

    C’mon.

    Whitlam brought the troops back.

    /Liability Bob

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    BorisG!

    What are the field reports from Wuhan saying?

    Is it America’s fault yet?

  48. PB

    So what do i do? Purchase fresh garlic made here from ALDI or garlic Made in China for half the price?

    If a dalliance with Hepatitis A is on your agenda, then the Chinese stuff, marinated as it is in human excrement, should be fine.

  49. Old Lefty

    I was all for Gough in my foolish youth in 1974. But my grandparents were from the Central West and knew Ben Chifley, and I remember my grandmother saying in 1974 that Chifley would be turning over in his grave at the Whitlam government: its reckless profligacy with the taxpayer’s money, its deliberate encouragement of welfare dependency, its indulgence of third-rate pseudo-intellectuals, its anti-Christian social policies, etc etc.

    Another family acquaintance who was the daughter of one of the founders of the miners’ union (hardly a fascist by upbringing!) said at the time that the promise of lifetime welfare for teenage mothers was very bad policy: bad for the children and bad for the girls.

  50. Neil

    If a dalliance with Hepatitis A is on your agenda, then the Chinese stuff, marinated as it is in human excrement, should be fine.

    The fresh garlic at Trims looked fine. But is was from China and half the price of the fresh garlic from ALDI made in Australia

  51. Vagabond

    Whitlam was a piece of filth you would not bother to extinguish if he was on fire. There is no criminal so foul, depraved, ignorant, stupid and repellant as Whitlam. The irony is they cremated him rather than buried him. Right-minded people would have dug him up and hanged him.

    Absolutely correct and if anything too charitable. Nobody under the age of about 50 can comprehend just how awful the Whitlam years were. You might think we had a bad run with the likes of Krudd, Gillard and the Turdball but they were paragons of competence compared to the wrecking crew that Whitlam inflicted on us. Those three brief years set the scene for terrible consequences that we are suffering now.

    Just a few of the horrors that come to mind:

    Jim Cairns
    Rex Connor
    Al Grassby
    Lionel Murphy
    Frank Crean and the tax on “unearned income”
    The loans affair
    The Australia Council
    East Timor
    PNG
    Hypocritical politically motivated racism – rejection of anti-communist Vietnamese refugees in contrast to the attitude towards Chilean refugees from the Allende regime
    Uncontrolled government spending
    The single mothers’ pension
    The incentives for productive industry to be replaced by a self perpetuating welfare depemdent underclass of ALP voters

    Just remembering that time gives me PTSD. I hope we never see his like again.

  52. Neil

    East Timor

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitlam_Government#Final_months

    In September 1974, Whitlam met with Indonesian President, Suharto, in Indonesia and indicated that he would support Indonesia if it annexed East Timor.[5

  53. mark jones

    The team was the last unit to withdraw from Vietnam on December 2nd, 1972. Whitlam was elected on the 5th.

  54. Mique

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha, the very same.

  55. Mique

    Vagabond, the one member of the Whitlam team whom I admired as a person and for his policies was Tom Uren. I thought his Department of Urban and Regional Development (DURD) was on the right track in moving to create the Albury-Wodonga and Bathurst-Orange decentralisation areas. Unfortunately, he was years ahead of his time in that, and thwarted at all stages by State politicians and public serpents unwiiling to cooperate. Every attempt to move Commonwealth Departments out of Canberra and closer to the rural areas that are the main objects of their activities continue to be thwarted.

  56. Mique

    mark jones, that old ALP legend is never going to die. The Embassy guard were the last troops out, I believe, and their withdrawal had absolutely nothing to do with any decision by Whitlam.

  57. amortiser

    In the dismissal election the seat of Canberra fell to the Liberal Party’s John Haslem.
    Even the public servants in Canberra were pissed off with him despite the demonstrable whinging.
    To show it wasn’t a fluke Haslem was re-elected in 1977 she eventually Whitlam threw in the towel.
    Such a disgrace that Fraser failed to do anything with his mandate.

  58. Louis Litt

    From what I understand, the comment re the Vietnamese refugees and the Chinese migrants welcomed here. This was the discrimination of the modern Labour Party which has gone so insane. If you will not vote Labor you will not be allowed in Australia. The migrants of middle and Eastern Europe did not vote Labour and hence Gough policy of dragging everyone from every where else and give them every thing for free with the call for multiculturalism and racism.
    My parents coming from central and middle Europe, the one thing my father said to me – the rich class loved his country men and spoke to them while the working class – who he was apart of – hated them.
    My experiences through life have been like that as well, the working class – Goughs hero- still call me a faciist, catholic And everything else smear.
    As I child we would always say when I grow up I wanna be a… – when I was 10 I was hearing I gonna go on the dole.
    If you tried at. something or worked hard your were ridiculed – this continues today.

  59. Andre Lewis

    Corrupt ministers like Connor, Murphy and Grasby; a lazy, immoral and off with the fairies Treasurer and Deputy PM all led by a socialist PM with an ego the size of a planet. What could possibly go wrong?

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    mark jones, that old ALP legend is never going to die. The Embassy guard were the last troops out, I believe, and their withdrawal had absolutely nothing to do with any decision by Whitlam.

    Certain “true believers” around here will still tell you “Got to give Gough credit for one thing – he got us out of Vietnam.”

  61. Old Lefty

    A small correction, Vagabond: Frank Crean was a decent man but utterly powerless, to the point where he was treasurer in name only.

    But as for Murphy and Kep Enderby (aka Crap Endlessly) as Attorney-General ……

  62. Old Lefty

    Crap Endlessly QC, by the way, was a typical bourgeois leftist hypocrite who made a tidy sum as a Redfern slum landlord.

  63. amortiser

    Here is the Australian War Memorial summary of the Vietnam withdrawal.

    By late 1970 Australia had also begun to wind down its military effort in Vietnam. The 8th Battalion departed in November (and was not replaced), but, to make up for the decrease in troop numbers, the Team’s strength was increased and its efforts became concentrated in Phuoc Tuy province. The withdrawal of troops and all air units continued throughout 1971 – the last battalion left Nui Dat on 7 November, while a handful of advisers belonging to the Team remained in Vietnam the following year. In December 1972 they became the last Australian troops to come home, with their unit having seen continuous service in South Vietnam for ten and a half years. Australia’s participation in the war was formally declared at an end when the Governor-General issued a proclamation on 11 January 1973. The only combat troops remaining in Vietnam were a platoon guarding the Australian embassy in Saigon (this was withdrawn in June 1973).

    Combat troops had been withdrawn by November 1971 and advisors were all withdrawn but December 1972. The only troops left were those guarding the Australian Embassy.

    The myth continues.

  64. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Make fraser eat yellowcake!

    Jerbs, not rice pudding!

  65. Cardimona

    Botswana O’Hooligan
    #3468072, posted on May 30, 2020 at 11:43 am

    Botswana, I happened to be at the Cairns airport when he arrived.
    I was fascinated by the crowd of protestors, some holding signs referring to “W Hitla M”.
    Being in my early teens, I wasn’t sure what it was all about.
    However, my girlfriend’s dad was a local ALP state MP.
    That afternoon I was railroaded into helping with a big clean-up at the girlfriend’s parent’s house because a VIP was coming.
    My job was to clean all the glass – doors and windows.
    That evening I was introduced to a shambling behemoth in a suit.
    He shook my hand – it was like grasping a cold, wet, dead fish.
    He turned and walked toward the courtyard
    Clang!!! – he hit the closed glass sliding door like a giant moth.
    Even left a faceprint.
    I laughed uproariously!
    Grown-ups scowled at me.
    I didn’t know why that that was until years later.

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