Clusters

Some 20-30 years ago, someone noticed an autism cluster in Silicon Valley.

California scientists have discovered clusters of autism where children are twice as likely to have the condition as infants in surrounding areas.

The residents were not surprisingly concerned and so they investigated.  They looked at the water supply, the air quality, the soil in the parks, the buildings in the schools.  As many possible environmental issues as possible.

Then someone noticed that much of the Silicon Valley population worked in the IT sector, many as coders and that such people in the tech industry are predisposed autism.

The top 10 clusters were found among children with scholarly parents and San Francisco’s vibrant tech hub is filled with intelligent individuals from highly educated backgrounds.

There was a seven fold increase in the number of autistic children between 1990 and 2006 in California and, while experts say that improved diagnoses can explain a portion of this increase, environmental causes — such as a significant number of educated parents being drawn to the area by the Silicon Valley tech boom — may be responsible for the rest.

This is by no means a criticism of autism.

Many of history’s greatest thinkers have been neurodivergent. This includes the likes of Albert Einstein, Sir Isaac Newton, Bill Gates, and Barbara McClintock who were all on the autism spectrum. The influence that these individuals have had on humanity is indicative of neurodiversity’s potential in the workplace.

The point is, is that the industry and culture of Silicon Valley attracts certain kinds of people and those people partner up and have children who themselves are more likely to have such conditions.

We have a similar issue in Australia where a certain city has a very high population working in a common “industry”.  And this industry attracts a certain kind of people and those people mate and reproduce.   Ironically, the residents of this city talk a lot about diversity but they really don’t like it or live it.

This Australian city, by the by, is Canberra.

Canberra seems to attracts people who generally but vehemently dislike risk and generally believe that all of human kind’s problems can be solved through legislation, regulation and taxation.  They believe in the “perfectibility” of man through education, or in many cases reeducation.

They build schools for themselves, especially of public policy and administration, that perpetuate and indoctrinate the belief that every economic, social and environmental problem can be solved through a cocktail of experts, other people’s money and enforcement at the point of a gun.

Their world view revolves around aggregation and centralisation of power and resources, into their hands of course, because they have the training, expertise and objectivity to plan and implement solutions to everything.  They like to disperse responsibility and avoid accountability through committees.  And paleo pear bread is the big winner.

With every subsequent generation, this world view is concentrated and refined ever further.

This is not about politics.  Politicians come and go.  This is about bureaucracies as bureaucracies are perpetual.

Consider some other places where central bureaucratic government is run from a single city and where it is not.  Which citizens have relatively better government where the governors live among and closer to the governed.

Washington DC … the home of (among other things) Cross Fire Hurricane and Fast and Furious.  And why is that that Australian public servants look to London for many of their ideas?  Ok.  Don’t bring up Brexit.  TAFKAS did say relatively better government.

If Australia is to survive and prosper, we need to close down Canberra.  Just shut it down and send the departments and public servants to the 4 winds.  Let the buildings remain empty as a monument to remind us of the costly errors made.

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68 Responses to Clusters

  1. sfw

    Spot on, Canberra is nothing more than a tax leech on the rest of the country. I would also advocate for letting Adelaide die a slow and if possible painless death. There is no reason for a city to be there, it should revert to a largish country town.

    The problem is how to do it?

  2. MACK

    We’ve now had a couple of generations of people whose parents have been Canberra public servants, who’ve gone to school there, then ANU, and then joined the public service themselves. They do not know what a recession is or what it does to people. They have little experience of the innovation and societal efficiencies which emanate from private enterprise, or how much red tape impairs those businesses and therefore the nation’s standard of living. Canberra is a very dangerous place.

  3. miltonf

    Spot on Sparty. You actually have pubic service families like in foreign affairies (not all fairies obviously) and the ABC.

    The place is an abomination and has done great damage to the real Australia. Just look what they have done/are doing to the MIA.

    When Abbott became PM quite a few of those pubes seems to think they were there to serve the UN and not Australia. Menzies’ biggest mistake.

  4. Robber Baron

    We need all immigrants to live in Canberra and billited with public servants for a minimum of 2 years.

    Immigration policy will change rapidly.

  5. miltonf

    I would also advocate for letting Adelaide die a slow and if possible painless death. There is no reason for a city to be there, it should revert to a largish country town.

    Why? Until Weatherdill got to it, they used to actually make things there like commodores and magnas.

  6. Gerard

    A further problem is that, regardless of which party is in government, the bureaucrats have their own agenda which they pursue regardless.

  7. miltonf

    Parkinson, Menadue, Henry- you get the feeling that they don’t really wish you well.

  8. Exit Stage Right

    TAFKAS,
    I don’t always agree with the thrust of your posts, but I found myself nodding along with each sentence, although there was a bit of a drift from autism to Canberra. I happen to know a bit about both. I know nothing about Washington DC or Silicon Valley.
    But I am sure you are right. Its the inbred nature of these geographical areas. As a young country boy, I used to attend PS training in Canberra on a regular basis. After a week of training, I would go home none the wiser other than confirmation that these head office types were fucked in the head.The Australian taxpayer was up for at least $2000-$3000 for my “training” and that was back in the 80″s.
    I am a late comer to exposure to those poor souls with autism. Severe autism I mean, not those fuckers who use it as some kind of shield, an excuse for their nuttiness or in some cases a badge of honour in their very strange world. I transport some of these poor autistic buggers from home to their sheltered workshop. Every parent or carer of a severe autistic deserves a medal.
    I think, given what is happening in the US, that I would happily be party to torching Canberra even without the motivation of a dead black bloke.
    Sorry, none of the above provides an answer to what is happening in the world.

  9. miltonf

    Only in Canbra would they put up a statue of Al Grassby.

  10. miltonf

    Attacking their own students seems to be getting to be a bit of a habit for Qld institutions of higher edjucashun.

  11. iamok

    My nephew is brilliant, works in the ACT in Fed PS and I’ve always thought him “odd”. You are spoton with this post

  12. Rex Anger

    I will say that RMC Duntroon and the War Memorial should remain- RMC was there before Canberra was, and the War Memorial is somewhat sacrosanct.

    Beyond the minimal infrastructure needed to support these facilities and the training areas, the rest is fair game.

  13. Bruce of Newcastle

    We have a similar issue in Australia where a certain city has a very high population working in a common “industry”. And this industry attracts a certain kind of people and those people mate and reproduce.

    Self rectifying. They are rapidly turning into a new species: homo homo qwertii.

    The reproduce thing being a problem, I think the species will break all records for brevity between emergence and extinction.

  14. Lee

    It’ll be a cold day in hell, before I move to the leftist bubble that is Canberra!

  15. stackja

    Australian capital before Canberra was Melbourne. Close down Canberra and move everything to Melbourne? Dan would approve.

  16. On the subject of IT people, I’ve noticed over the years that those in IT tend to be predominantly of the Left, many on the far Left.

    I’ve often wondered why, but perhaps it’s to do with the very nature of the work that attracts them and how they are fixated on the absolute need to control their environment and the pleasure they derive from that control.

    Have you ever noticed how IT people deride those who don’t understand IT, just like the elites deride those who they consider the working class? Both groups consider themselves above the lower class.

  17. miltonf

    Interesting take bemused- explains Google and Microsoft pretty well.

  18. Adelagado

    miltonf
    #3470934, posted on June 1, 2020 at 5:35 pm

    I would also advocate for letting Adelaide die a slow and if possible painless death. There is no reason for a city to be there, it should revert to a largish country town.

    Stop crying about a few dollars going to South Australia. At least you might get something as material as a a submarine fleet for your money.

    The biggest financial scam in Australian history was the positioning of the national capital just a few hours drive from Sydney. Thanks to all those very highly paid public servants, tens of billions of dollars every year is directly funneled into the NSW economy and decisions are continually made that benefit NSW. (For example, situating major PS offices in Sydney).

    Canberra and Sydney are parasites on the rest of Australia. They shuffle a lot of money around but what do they actually produce?

  19. Pete of Freo

    The Federation should be broken,Tasmania, Victoria and South Australia should all become the Nation State of The People’s Republic of Fuckedupistan and print their own currency so that everyone can be a millionaire.
    The tax haven of Westralia should then demand reparations for the airports, freeways and stadiums in Fuckedupistan which it paid for, and the borders should stay closed to Fuckedupistan forever. Footy can become an international sport and the FFL (formally the AFL) can support the shitbox, no member teams in the south-eastern part of Fuckedupistan with their freshly printed Danos (formally dollars).
    Think of how wonderful it will be for them, never having to worry about bushfires again, and all of the jobs as they hack down all of the forests so they can have something to keep them warm in winter and attempt to fire up Whyalla to make steel for the submarines they’ll never make, and they could add to the circular flow of Danos by running lotteries on who can get to use the big battery , and set up a thriving barter exchange Boags to Victoriastan for diesel to Tazzie for electricity. The possibilities could be endless!!

  20. Clam Chowdah

    Yet another infantile post about Canberra. Fuck me dead this place is turning to shit.

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    The biggest financial scam in Australian history was the positioning of the national capital just a few hours drive from Sydney.

    Quite so. Alice Springs would be much more central.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yet another infantile post about Canberra.

    Some decades ago when I had a job for a couple years in the vicinity I chose to live in Queanbeyan. The capital reeked of snootiness even then and all the pubs were taverns. The place was horrid.

  23. Yet another infantile post about Canberra. Fuck me dead this place is turning to shit.

    I lived in the ACT for a year in 1997 and I’ve had to go there a number of times since. Pretty much everything that’s said about Canberra is true.

  24. Steve

    Bemused:

    I’m in the IT game, but work in a govt dominated town. I’m one of the few who seem to be able to realize that climate change is a scam and the Cov19 this is of a globalist Op.

    To the rest of the audience here:

    As to clusters of autism – its possible you have groups of people who are of similar vein, but logically if you had groups who were at the other end of the mental scale, logically they should all be super healthy.

    One thing most people shy away from is the possible role of vaccines in autism in kids. Is it possible that people who are a bit anal ( IT types ) , are also 100% on making sure their kids are vaccinated up the wazoo?

    One thing I notice is the outbreak of “covid toe” – no one dared mention that difference was that kids by age 5 receive 55(?) shots , many with unfiltered virus of unknown origin and various adjuvants …combine this with a new virus and its entirely possible we are seeing a toxic mix reacting with the virus and causing micro blood clots in kids.

  25. Bruce of Newcastle

    Steve – Other way around methinks.

    IT people tend to be A spectrum because of the focus thing. And the technical propensity. Hard scientists tend to be on the spectrum too. So when spectrum IT people shack up you tend to get IT skilled kids. Genetics.

  26. nb

    Pete of Freo, #3471092, posted on June 1, 2020 at 7:14 pm:
    You forgot the ‘arts led recovery’, also the national recreation of blowing up key productive assets.
    I look forward to the novel-length version of your post.

  27. Rex Anger

    Autism is a genetic condition that tends to run in families. It very rarely skips generations. If someone on the spectrum partners up with another, they are very likely to have children on the spectrum. And so on and so forth. Furthermore, since the spectrum ranges from high-functioning types whom we would just have written off as ‘eccentrics’ as recently as 25 years ago, through to barely functional people who need constant care and watching because they are not capable of processing the sheer quantities.of raw, unfiltered sensory data they are receiving just by being alive, it is somewhat difficult to make generalisations.

    Blaming vaccines, the environment, Donald Trump, chemtrails or a diet of explosive gutrot and hamburgers is not going to achieve anything. That’s the point about humans and human genetics- They tend to do what they please, and confuse the hell out of everyone in the process.

    ‘Managerial elitism’ in Canberra and other big cities on the other hand, not that is a disease of the heart and mind we can all get stuck into very easily.

  28. Steve
    #3471144, posted on June 1, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    Bemused:

    I’m in the IT game, but work in a govt dominated town. I’m one of the few who seem to be able to realize that climate change is a scam and the Cov19 this is of a globalist Op.

    I’m not suggesting that everyone in IT is Left leaning, but from my experience, a disproportionate number seem to be that way and many are very much on the far Left, as if they were part of the arts rather than technology akin to engineering, science etc. I have a work background in science, engineering, IT, photography and video (go figure).

  29. Yarpos

    So, really as we have known for a long time, inbreeding creates problems.

  30. Rex Anger

    @ Bemused-

    Leftism seems to be very much a rich and clever man’s game. The innate contradictions fascinate me, as most (if not all) leftist arguments are predicated on emotion, and the ultimate outcome of leftist thinking is both penury and death.

    It’s almost as if they think that being clever will automatically put them amongst the apparatchiks or the nomenklatura when the revolution comes. Whereas the rest of us know that just puts them a little bit behind the rest of us reactionaries, undesirables and unrevolutionary nuisances in the queue for the Wall…

  31. Entropy

    I lived there for thirteen years. Had a great time and only moved away so the kids could be near their grandparents.
    The problem is increasingly second and third generation Canberrans deciding policy for the rest of us. Canberra is a socialist utopia, and thus the denizens, who know naught else, tend to think what works for Canberra is relevant elsewhere. The agency I worked in was apparently unusual in that like me its mainly came from elsewhere, and weren’t staying. But generally when I think of Canberra developing policy for the far flung regions I think of that Bette Midler song, From a Distance.

    From a distance the world looks blue and green,
    and the snow-capped mountains white.
    From a distance the ocean meets the stream,
    and the eagle takes to flight.

    From a distance, there is harmony,
    and it echoes through the land.
    It’s the voice of hope, it’s the voice of peace,
    it’s the voice of every man.

    From a distance we all have enough,
    and no one is in need.
    And there are no guns, no bombs, and no disease,
    no hungry mouths to feed.

    From a distance we are instruments
    marching in a common band.
    Playing songs of hope, playing songs of peace.
    They’re the songs of every man.

    I think the idea of Canberra is good, it is just very difficult to make sure it stays in line with that idea and doesn’t grow to engulf all like a big green blob. Maybe the solution is to strictly limit the role the federal government, say to 15 % GDP and there will be less opportunity to fuck things up.

  32. MikeS

    Tempting to think that dispersing Canberra to the regional winds would help but the ABC in Ultimo demonstrates that fantasyland can thrive even at the suburban level. Not that Canberra is much more than a suburb.

    As the father of an autistic son, I have also had many years to ponder many of the points raised above. As an engineer, I’m probably a bit sus myself. However, the main reason I’m not an IT guy is that I can’t stand working with most IT people. Every project discussion turns into a pissing competition. Gets real old real fast.

  33. Eyrie

    Visted Canberra in 1990. Felt sick to my stomach when I realised that everything there had been looted from the Australian people.

  34. Whalehunt Fun

    Shut it down ? Nonsense. Allow the diseased inhabitants to spread their sick ideology throughout the nation ? No!
    Canberra is another Ruby Princess but the diseased filth that infest it carry a worse plague than any seen before. Socialism. No. Do not shut it down. Announce another talkfest like Rudd had. Invite all the gutter filth from the arts and entertainment and Labour Unions. And then cover it in first XV (Rugby Union code for a nerve agent) and then nuke it to incinerate the XV and the corpses. Then simply deny it ever existed.

  35. a reader

    The thing about autism is it’s used as a bade of honour by “modern” parents. My son’s on the spectrum y’know is a common thing in the suburbs of both Adelaide and Sydney. I’ve lived in both.

  36. Rex Anger

    No neutron bomb? That’s good farming land out that way, mate.

    And for all the failimgs of its latter-day graduates, Duntroon is an OK place.

  37. Clam Chowdah

    I lived in the ACT for a year in 1997 and I’ve had to go there a number of times since. Pretty much everything that’s said about Canberra is true.

    Good job. Have a biscuit, you suckhole.

  38. Hay Stockard

    Someone appears a little vexed.

  39. NoFixedAddress

    Just delete sections 51 and 71 of the constitution and all the nanny state rules and regulations dressed up as “Acts of Parliament” that have been spawned.

  40. Rossini

    Clam Chowdah
    #3471289,

    criticize….but be nice!

  41. Hay Stockard

    Cluster? I seem to remember Clint Eastwood using this as part of a descriptive phrase in the training movie “Heartbreak Ridge”.

  42. Iain Russell

    At least they hide the statue of the Member for The Mob. Fear of public desecration I understand.

  43. egg_

    Ripe for the priming by sociopaths – e.g. shutting down the Economy with no skin in the game*.

    *The kicker.

  44. egg_

    Canberra is another Ruby Princess but the diseased filth that infest it carry a worse plague than any seen before. Socialism. No. Do not shut it down. Announce another talkfest like Rudd had.

    These turdfests by our “betters” are on view daily on the panels of Teh Dumb, very informative.

  45. egg_

    Yet another infantile post about Canberra. Fuck me dead this place is turning to shit.

    Watch out for the Godwin’s moment, retard.

  46. Don

    Canberra – a city whose residents are dedicated to the sole purpose of interfering in other people’s’ lives.

  47. Crossie

    If Australia is to survive and prosper, we need to close down Canberra. Just shut it down and send the departments and public servants to the 4 winds. Let the buildings remain empty as a monument to remind us of the costly errors made.

    And then we get Dan Andrews, Gladbag, Princess Anastasia et al. I don’t see any difference. It’s not the place, it’s the kind of people drawn to rule.

  48. Crossie

    They have little experience of the innovation and societal efficiencies which emanate from private enterprise, or how much red tape impairs those businesses and therefore the nation’s standard of living.

    They think how hard could it be when they see at all the filthy rich people like Twiggy who come to ask them for favours.

  49. Flip Headland

    Amusing. (Although I worked for a while in an organisation which had a disproportionate number of offspring; that was not amusing for the parents and, yes, we were all in techy jobs.). Well, this seems to be a good week for radical ideas and radical action, both left and right, but my modest proposal is don’t nuke Canberra TAFKAS, instead keep encouraging private sector growth in that region. Evolution not revolution. I’m sick of bitter radicals after this week. Too wet for this forum? Well get stuffed.

  50. Iampeter

    If you hate tech so much then you should love Canberra, TAFKAS.

    On a side note, I think it’s great that there’s so much left wing thought on what’s meant to be a right wing blog. Diversity of thought and all that!
    Personally I wish there was some actual right wing thought though.

    But that’s just me, I guess.

  51. RobertS

    Canberra’s fate was sealed in 1988 when self-government was foisted upon its citizens. It was inevitable that the left side of politics would eventually prevail. We have had continuous Labor, Labor/Green government here since 2001. My hope is that the incompetence of the latest lot will result in that changing at the next ACT election.

  52. @Iampeter

    But that’s just me, I guess.

    Hi Peter. It’s been a while. Where’ve you been?

  53. Iampeter

    Hi Peter. It’s been a while. Where’ve you been?

    I’ve been around. Working through this quarantine overreaction and pleasantly surprised by how effective it’s all turned out to be.
    I think just like overbearing regulations of the past that forced industry into offshoring, breaking the backs of the unions responsible for those regulations in the first place, this lockdown will similarly break the back of the arbitrary 40 hour week. Moving forward we’ll have a lot more flexibility and in turn a lot more productivity too, so it’s been very interesting.

    What about you?

  54. Alex

    Iampeter says “Personally I wish there was some actual right wing thought though. But that’s just me, I guess.”

    Well why not lead a discussion on right wing thought, put it out there, make your position known rather than sometimes pithy retorts to articles? Thi is not a smart-alec comment, I would like to hear what you claim to be right wing thought. Over to you…..

  55. Andre

    From experience Canberra is indeed pc central and political or social ideologies tend to move to extremes among many of the populace working in the public service. Visit some departments and see the groupthink which over time morphs into a common type of employee as those with their strong views move up and recruit like minded until the whole place is a hive of similar individuals. Health and Social Services departments for example tend to be populated with many women of a certain age with short, grey hair, no makeup and plain clothing. Male staff, where they exist, are in the lower ranks and tolerated, barely, but not promoted.
    Do NOT when in the local gym or café make any passing remark to one of these females such “Cold outside isn’t it?” lest you be loudly rebuked as harassing them. Its a cultural thing.

  56. Wozzup

    ” We have a similar issue in Australia where a certain city has a very high population working in a common “industry”. And this industry attracts a certain kind of people and those people mate and reproduce. Ironically, the residents of this city talk a lot about diversity but they really don’t like it or live it. This Australian city, by the by, is Canberra.”

    Having lived and worked there for a time (since escaped) I can vouch for this. Senior Executive Service members would sometimes laugh (never the less in complete agreement) at the idea that as effective SES members they were selected for being “anal retentive control freaks”. (Their words and BTW based on my experience, also true). And I would add that autism is not the only “neurodivergency” in evidence there. There was also a high degree of sociopathy. As sadly there is also in the upper echalons of many private sector organisations as well.

  57. John A

    Crossie #3471493, posted on June 2, 2020, at 7:14 am

    If Australia is to survive and prosper, we need to close down Canberra. Just shut it down and send the departments and public servants to the 4 winds. Let the buildings remain empty as a monument to remind us of the costly errors made.

    And then we get Dan Andrews, Gladbag, Princess Anastasia et al. I don’t see any difference. It’s not the place, it’s the kind of people drawn to rule.

    From Douglas Adams (H2G2, Fit the Twelfth):

    The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
    To summarise: it is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarise the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President [Prime Minister, Premier] should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarise the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

  58. Flip Headland

    Responding to Andre and Wozzup , I agree with their comments And have seen the types they describe and bear the scars. (Which is why I am in the private sector.)

    The best people in Canberra tend the ones with practical and therefore transportable skills. Despite that they’re the ones who saw the Shakespeare last night and are still on a high and ok to talk about it, or have a nervous tic and a passion for Shostakovich, or train the kid’s footy team (but don’t trade off that at work). They tend to move in and out of the APS, but not always. They are good people, recognisable in any city.

  59. PoliticoNT

    Bit of a stupid non-comparison TAFKAS. Leave the autistic kids alone would be my advice, and stick to putting the boot into Canberra. Although that said you’re a bit off target.

    There are a class of Canberra pube, who meet and breed. Their children go to various private schools. They spend a lot of time at the coast. Or in Bali. Or travelling up to Sydney to see concerts. They drink from the idiot-fountain of: climate change, the ABC, the Guardian, Canberra Times, Democrats Good/Republicans Bad, Coalition Bad. They mix with their own kind angrily decrying the rest of us while furiously agreeing with each other. Sometimes they take holidays in Cuba (because it’s a paradise).

    They spend a lot of time wheeling their carry-on luggage around, flying business class and staying in 5 star hotels. Often to attend interstate or overseas based training. Which is largely of no use. They think being in Parliament makes you a celebrity (regardless of party on that one, the brown-nosing is apolitical), and being a staffer is the next best thing.

    Female APS dominate in numbers, and will do in terms of rank soon. They are too often venal and values free, seeing their job as a small inconvenience to support a broader lifestyle. And the pay and conditions are to be abused and exploited far beyond what any sane member of the community would think reasonable. That said, most of my female workmates make it blunt they prefer to work with men.

    Paleo pear and banana bread girl is rife, across the service. Our workplaces are turned into bizarre shrines to OH&S/workforce obsessions where the elders past, present and future are the new oracles. Ignorant grammar boys like David Thodey are tasked with reviewing things. (Unclear what exactly Dave has been doing the past couple of years but it MUST BE IMPORTANT as his end of report speech was broadcast live on our intranet.)

    Perhaps though Spartacus, to give you back your proper name, you could pony up a set of balls and think about running for Parliament. Because mate, being an MP is the only way you’ll ever make any changes. And that beats bleating into the wind any day.

  60. Flip Headland

    Spot on PoliticoNT. The other advice I would give is: don’t be one of those poor glassy-eyed, grey-faced shades wandering the halls of a Canberra departmental hell. If you only have a generalist degree and thought that would do the job because you’d climb the ladder, learn how to make or fix things (train up in engineering or commercial law or something semi-useful) and GTFO to the private sector. You’ll be of more value to society and a hell of a lot happier.

  61. PoliticoNT

    Flip – 180 days and counting for me. But watch this space. I’m running governance for a tricky as fuck area of design & procurement for Defence. Good people abound and I’ve chosen to do the job effectively. Will deliver long term outcomes (good) but I won’t survive the process. Too many (senior) people are gonna have to face up to their uselessness and close-to-illegal looseness. Which is a weird thing about the APS, if you decide to wield a stick for the right reasons the system will support you, until you finish the job. Then it kicks you out.

  62. Des Deskperson

    A rather colourful description , Politico NT, but largely evidence-free.

    For starters, only the SES are entitled to business class, and not always on internal flights.

    There are only a little over 3000 SES in the APS.

  63. PoliticoNT

    Des! I knew that would draw you out of the woodpile. Cheers

  64. PoliticoNT

    Des – you have been misled on who gets to fly business class. Although the waters are often murky. At IPDIV in Defence it has always been a free for all. During my time in FaCHSIA – all flights for all staff between Canberra and Darwin were business class. Although FaCHSIA publicly denied this. (Intervention money was supposed to have been spent on the target group not greedy pubes from national office.)

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