Nihilism on the streets of America

Some commentary on the riots in the US. People seem to be frightened to call these people out because they might be accused of racism. It is not racist to resist nihilistic madmen.

My understanding of what took place is that that this chap Floyd commits some crime, gets arrested, resists arrest, is held down in a dangerously illegal way and dies. Autopsy says there were other factors in his death but still, we can all accept that in some important sense the cop well-exceeded permissible limits. So he should be suspended, prosecuted and if convicted jailed. No element in this story seems about the fact that George Floyd was black and the police were white. And then there are riots and looting, and the most interesting part of the scenes of looting is that not one of the looters appeared to be even slightly in fear of their lives, or even in fear of being arrested. What’s the plan going forward? To forbid a black person to be arrested by the police? To allow mobs to burn your cities down? What principle of justice follows from any of this that should now be introduced that wasn’t there before?

The first of these excerpts is from The Other McCain.

 

Rioting across the nation leaves
cities reeling as hundreds arrested,
National Guard called in,
businesses damaged and at least 3 dead

pretext (noun) — a reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason.

Watching city after city go up in flames — stores looted, innocent people attacked, arsonists and criminals running wild — I had difficulty thinking: “What do I want to write about this?”

The first and most obvious thing is that this spree of criminal actity had nothing at all to do with what happened to George Floyd. People ransacking stores in Los Angeles, brutalizing people in Dallas and setting fire to City Hall in Nashville were not “protesting” against a violation of civil rights. The businesses and institutions targeted by these criminals had nothing to do with what police officers did in Minneapolis.

“Let’s loot a liquor store, because social justice!”

George Floyd’s death was not a reason for these riots, it was a pretext.

Hateful people do not need a reason to hate. Destructive people do not need a reason to destroy. They just need a pretext. Some people in the media want us to believe that rioters are like werewolves; they are normal, law-abiding citizens until the full moon rises — or there is a “racial incident” — and then they magically transform into monsters.

The second is from Culture Watch.

Most folk are aware of the tragic death of George Floyd that happened nearly a week ago in Minnesota. The 46yo African-American man was arrested by police but died soon afterwards while in custody. Since then rioting in American cities has been taking place.

It is hoped that all the facts and details of his death will fully come out in a court of law, and justice will prevail – for everyone involved. So that aspect of the case I will not comment on here. But I can discuss the rioting that has ensued – first in Minneapolis and now in numerous other American cities.

It is one thing to have a peaceful protest over perceived injustice, possible racism, or what might be police overreaction. But rioting, looting, arson attacks, and assaults on police and innocent bystanders is NOT the appropriate response. That is domestic terrorism, not protesting. Michael Brendan Dougherty puts it this way:

We must distinguish rioting and looting from protesting. People do not loot seeking justice for George Floyd, they loot for the loot. People don’t commit arson to make a political statement. What does burning an AutoZone even communicate if it could be translated into politics? People don’t assault those citizens standing in the way of looting and arson as a cry for help or to draw attention to social problems, they do so because looting and arson offer satisfactions to a reprobate will. www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/anger-is-justified-riots-never-are/

And as is also so often the case, we have the usual rent-a-crowd activists involved. Militants from interstate are happy to show up and foment trouble and violence. As US Attorney General Bill Barr said:

Groups of outside radicals and agitators are exploiting the situation to pursue their own separate and violent agenda. In many places, it appears the violence is planned, organized, and driven by anarchistic and far-left extremists, using Antifa-like tactics, many of whom travel from out of state to promote the violence. We must have law and order on our streets and in our communities, and it is the responsibility of the local and state leadership, in the first instance, to halt this violence. www.theblaze.com/news/ag-barr-riots-far-left-antifa

Or as Dominic Green puts it:

There is no right to burn down your neighborhood, but it’s always an option. Freedom means choice, and real freedom must include the choice of self-destruction — but not destroying someone else’s neighborhood. Especially not when the neighborhood is mostly black and poor. That is what the privileged whites of antifa are doing by instigating disorder and destruction in Minneapolis’s 3rd precinct and elsewhere. ‘Every single person we arrested last night, I’m told, was from out of state,’ says Melvin Carter, Mayor of St Paul. Cost-free kicks at black people’s expense: the height of white privilege. spectator.us/antifa-white-privilege-race-minneapolis/

Indeed, as is so often the case in these sorts of situations, the radical left, including groups like Antifa, are more than happy to exploit these incidents for their own ends. And their ends usually entail the same old thing: the dismantling of America. So much of the rioting is based on the same old motivations: hatred of America, hatred of Trump, hatred of police, hatred of whites, and so on.

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53 Responses to Nihilism on the streets of America

  1. Hay Stockard

    That’s the Democrats for you. Nothing too low for a leftward.

  2. stackja

    Incidentally, Sweasy was unable to bring the charges on which she convicted Noor for eight months. Remember the riots that convulsed the Twin Cities while we waited? I don’t either.

  3. stackja

    Back in 1993, Ellison teamed up with Vice Lords gangbanger Sharif Willis to lead protests decrying the prosecution of the gangbangers who shot MPD officer Jerry Haaf in the back. Haaf’s murder might have been the lowest moment in Minneapolis’s history until last week. Ellison was out to torment the police on behalf of the gangbangers.

    Ellison, by the way, first sought office in 1998 as Keith X Ellison, a self-identified member (and recognized local leader) of the Nation of [email protected] Ellison is up to the task. The problem, however, is his task.

    See if you can find a reference to Ellison’s history in any story on developments over the last 24 hours. Reporters at the St. Paul Pioneer Press or Minneapolis’s Star Tribune could consult their own archives to dig it up. For some reason, they are not inclined to do so.

  4. stackja

    In cities across the U.S. where demonstrations over the death of George Floyd in police custody are taking place, mysterious pallets of bricks are reportedly showing up in parking lots and on street corners, even in areas where there is no constructions take place.

    kcpolice

    @kcpolice
    We have learned of & discovered stashes of bricks and rocks in & around the Plaza and Westport to be used during a riot. If you see anything like this, you can text 911 and let us know so we can remove them. This keeps everyone safe and allows your voice to continue to be heard.

  5. Faye

    stackja also water cans filled with petrol hidden in bushes.

  6. Faye

    Steve, there is more to the killing of George Floyd. He and Derek Chauvin both worked at the El Nuevo Rodeo. Best I direct you to read it properly.

    Sunday Talks: Crump on Floyd – “We Don’t Understand”…
    Posted on May 31, 2020 by sundance theconservativetreehouse.com

    Crump is the defence lawyer for the Floyd family. Chauvin is the head security guy at the El Nuevo Rodeo.

  7. BorisG

    No element in this story seems about the fact that George Floyd was black and the police were white.

    But a lot about violent ways of the Minneapolis police. Lest we forget the senseless death of an innocent Australian woman in the hands of police just two years ago.

    Chauvin previously had 18 complaints against his violent ways.

  8. a reader

    It is at best an allegation of a crime. Supposedly a counterfeit $2o. According to Franklin Graham (who I would trust my life to), Floyd had totally changed his life around. He had spent 10 years working in the dangerous areas of Houston working as an urban missionary and was presented an opportunity through a church in Minnesota. He was supposed to be returning to TX.

    Having said that, you’re right that the stuff that is going on is not a protest. It’s utter criminality

  9. nb

    Just the next installment in the long-running saga of removing Trump, and crashing the USA. More crimes, more hate, more nefarious dealing by communists everywhere.
    But heaven is eliminating the CCP.
    Skies darken over Beijing.

  10. BorisG

    Just heard a Russian reporter live from DC. She says the protest was peaceful and then separate criminal gangs came from no-go areas of DC and starting systematic looting of shops. These two groups of people did not look remotely similar.

  11. BorisG

    Trump is AWOL at the wheel.

  12. Bad Samaritan

    Faye 912.07am) That link was great….

    Floyd and the cop both worked at the nightclub where counterfeiting was one of the sidelines. Floyd pocketed some of the counterfeit dough, and since the club was closed due to CV, decided to spend it.

    The cops were called and car A arrived with no Chuvin in it. Then Chauvin was called to come in car B. Whether this latter was on purpose or by chance, Chauvin knew what the go was, and went to silence Floyd…..possibly just with threats, but Floyd then freaked out and Chauvin over-reacted: knowing he was in danger.

    Most interesting was the twitter link to the ambulance guys not being ambulance guys at all. Also that various deep staters are involved with the night-club where Floyd and Chauvin worked. Hmmmm….

  13. egg_

    Lest we forget the senseless death of an innocent Australian woman in the hands of police just two years ago.

    The fruitloop who bashed on the rear of a patrol vehicle in the dark, after they were called out in the area?

  14. egg_

    The “Russian” low wattage troll has a schadenboner?

  15. egg_

    Trump is AWOL at the wheel.

    Unlike Russian peasant dashcam horror videos?

  16. Karabar

    Might there be another explanation of this episode of “Murder, She Wrote”.
    Was this a produced-for-television episode, directed by George Soros?
    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/05/29/floyd-murder-a-staged-event/

  17. egg_

    Was this a produced-for-television episode, directed by George Soros?

    Was it predicted half an hour ahead by the BBC, like WTC7?

  18. egg_

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/05/29/floyd-murder-a-staged-event/

    Is it mere coincidence that this happens the week after “race” becomes a major political issue after the Biden “You ain’t Black” gaffe, started to threaten the black vote the Democrats so desperately count on?

    Hmmm…?

  19. Bruce of Newcastle

    Well done lefties, you’ve just sold a whole lot more ordnance.

    Gun Stocks Surge Past Broader Market (WSJ this morning)

    Shares of gun manufacturers soared Monday, continuing this year’s winning streak.

    Smith & Wesson Brands Inc. jumped 16% to $13.66. Sturm, Ruger & Co. advanced 9.5% to $68.24. Shares of both companies outpaced the broader market, with the S&P 500 rising 0.3% in midday trading.

    Funny how that happens. You better be careful not to “fire on Ft Sumter”, you really wouldn’t like the outcome.

  20. bobby b

    1). That racist cop who killed Floyd because he was black? His wife is black.

    2). All of those complaints against that racist cop? In a city governed by hard-core leftists, every cop has multiple official complaints, because the leftist politicians chase black votes by always being anti-cop, setting up easy complaint bureaus, loudly proclaiming their hate for cops, encouraging miscreants to make complaints . . . In short, the complaints against him are meaningless, until something like this happens and they can be proclaimed on banners.

    3). Floyd was saying “I can’t breathe” while he was still standing next to the cop car. Newsies are saying it was because he was claustrophobic. I’m guessing he was having a heart attack.

    4). I was on Lake Street in Minneapolis (by chance) the night this all started. Lots of crowds of blacks chanting and yelling, surrounded by a halo of young tough-looking white guys in black clothing and masks who were darting in amidst the buildings with pipes and bottles, all of whom looked much like the Antifa people I see at the WTO riots. The blacks got co-opted by the Marxist BLM and Antifa.

  21. bobby b

    BorisG

    #3471425, posted on June 2, 2020 at 12:49 am

    “Trump is AWOL at the wheel.”

    You can always tell the folk who skipped the reading when they covered forms of government in school. Remember that thing about the US having fifty states? Remember “federalism”? No? Then perhaps you ought to educate yourself before commenting.

  22. Ed Case

    Most interesting was the twitter link to the ambulance guys not being ambulance guys at all. Also that various deep staters are involved with the night-club where Floyd and Chauvin worked. Hmmmm

    George Floyd was both a Missionary [according to Franklin Graham] and an actor in Adult Films?

  23. Ed Case

    His wife is black.

    Hmong, an Indochina minority who supported America during the Vietnam War.
    The ‘Yards in Apocalyse Now
    Relocated mostly to the Great Lakes States.

  24. Iampeter

    It’s not just the police killing, it’s also the quarantines, the imminent economics collapse, the nut in the White House, stuff like that, which has become a pretext for these riots. It’s actually surprising there isn’t more stuff like this at the moment.

  25. Buccaneer

    Black lives matter but where are the protests for the fact that black lives batter? About 45% of homicides in the us recorded by black or African American men, that’s about 7% of the population

  26. egg_

    It’s not just the police killing, it’s also the quarantines, the imminent economics collapse, the nut in the White House

    Leftoid false equivalence.

  27. mh

    Iampeter
    #3471539, posted on June 2, 2020 at 7:59 am
    It’s not just the police killing, it’s also the quarantines, the imminent economics collapse, the nut in the White House, stuff like that, which has become a pretext for these riots. It’s actually surprising there isn’t more stuff like this at the moment.

    Little concern for property rights there 🤔

  28. It’s Monday.
    Over the weekend 59 black people shot dead by other black people, in Chicago.
    One of those shot dead was a 10-yo girl.

    It is difficult to take BLM seriously, or indeed any looter ahem protester, seriously, when nobody seems to give a farq about it.

  29. exsteelworker

    The WEST IS DEAD. If the yanks are stupid enough, which wouldn’t surprise, to vote Trump out in September. The WEST is definitely dead. Enroll ur kids into Mandarin language classes. Good luck with that lefties.

  30. Judge Dredd

    The inevitable consequence of multiculturalism. It eventually leads to the collapse of the state. It is too late for America (and for Australia for that matter). A break up of the US will happen in the next ten years, and unfortunately it’s looking likely that much death and destruction will result.
    This is what the architects of unfettered immigration and those who believe importing masses into a culture can transform them from their own culture. They are the ones stoking the fires of collapse.

  31. Yarpos

    Overstated there Salvattore, those are the weeks for totals. So far it 16 dead and 40 something wounded. Still total carange in a place the size of Melbourne. Hryjackass.com is the site that keeps track if others have trouble believing. As Salvatore says nary a peep from the MSM or riots in protest.

    Never any riots when white folks get killed by the police either which the do in greater numbers than black people.

    The rioters are just living up to expectations. Its what they do, if it wasnt this reason it would be something ele. Summer is coming, all this just ramps up in the hot weather.

  32. Googoomuck

    BorisG #3471425, posted on June 2, 2020 at 12:49 am

    “Trump is AWOL at the wheel.”

    It’s up to the State authorities to control the rioting. They can request assistance from the Federal Government if they want. My guess is the police are ordered to stay out of harm’s way and let the looting exhaust itself. It’s just too bad about the livelihoods that are destroyed. But don’t worry! The government has a program to help you! Tis the Democrat Way.

  33. Iampeter

    You see, Boris?
    When everything is going well it’s because Trump is a good President, or something, but when things go pear shaped, it’s because of those hopeless governors. Now that’s leadership!

    The buck stops…um…over there, somewhere…

  34. Trax

    For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed

    For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed

    https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1267466345844740098

    None of this is about race.

  35. JohnJJJ

    As an aside, it is interesting that the smart crims are not looting. They are waiting for the looters to come by and just taking it from them. That way they are not in camera range, the looters are in panic anyway and who is going to complain.

  36. bollux

    The Left are loving this, even more than Covid19.

  37. Trump ain’t AWOL any more.
    The speech he just gave left no doubt who is in charge.

  38. Googoomuck

    “bobby b #3471494, posted on June 2, 2020 at 7:14 am

    4). I was on Lake Street in Minneapolis (by chance) the night this all started. Lots of crowds of blacks chanting and yelling, surrounded by a halo of young tough-looking white guys in black clothing and masks who were darting in amidst the buildings with pipes and bottles, all of whom looked much like the Antifa people I see at the WTO riots. The blacks got co-opted by the Marxist BLM and Antifa.”

    I read a piece by an ex-activist who explained the tactic you observed. There are three groups in the crowd. Group 1 are there to perform the violence. Group 2 help them escape by running interference against the police. The third group are the most numerous. They are ordinary folk who sincerely believe in the cause and want to peacefully protest. They unwittingly assist the escape because of their sheer numbers. Some of these people will be hurt as the cops try to catch the thugs who delberately run through the crowd in their escape. The sincere protestors will be convinced the police over-reacted. This gives the thugs favourable media coverage. Look, here’s Joe Blow and he saw the cops hitting peaceful protectors!

    The piles of stones are a giveaway. Tim Pool, in one of his videos, recounted the story of him attending an activist planning meeting. It was planned to leave bricks at strategic sites in the early hours of the morning. The current riots are Portland on a bigger scale.

  39. sfw

    Trump has announced possible use of the military and encouraged the governors to use the national guard etc and take actions required to stop the rioting. The left has been calling him out for not doing anything. Now just wait for the left crying out that Trump is a military fascist dictator and is turning Amerika into a dictatorship. For these people he can’t win no matter what he does.

  40. Bronson

    Yam and his sock puppet Boris never right always wrong – law and order is a state responsibility just like in Australia which copied the US federalism model in 1901. States in both US and Australia have learned incompetence and helplessness because of the Federal propensity to continually bail them out when they do stupid things. The States suffer no consequences whether they aid or destroy their citzens lives. It’s become a system feature of our dual Federalism. If you were serious about wanting to do something about it you would look to change the Federal vs State relationship, if not just continue to whinge. I suspect you both will continue with the later.

  41. BorisG

    When everything is going well it’s because Trump is a good President, or something, but when things go pear shaped, it’s because of those hopeless governors. Now that’s leadershi

    More often than not I disagree with Peter but here he is right on the money. No, Trump does not need to interfere with the law enforcement effort, which is state responsibility. But yes he needs to show moral leadership.

    Watch trump worshipers change the tune once he does deliver some speech (and then undermines it by fiery tweets).

  42. BorisG

    From what I have seen, a lot looting is done by criminal gangs who are not left or right. These are completely different people from the protesters, most of whom are peaceful.

    The media mostly shows violence and destruction, and though cats generally hate the media, they choose to believe them in this case.

  43. BorisG

    For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed

    Was Floyd arrested for violent crime ? In any case, his death is worse than with shootings. Police shooting unarmed men justify it by saying they felt under threat. But this guy was in handcuffs, he posed no threat.

  44. Slim Cognito

    I’m not seeing too many people amongst the rioters under 30.

  45. John of Mel

    When everything is going well it’s because Trump is a good President, or something, but when things go pear shaped, it’s because of those hopeless governors. Now that’s leadership!

    Well, if you can’t understand that the rioting is so bad precisely because Trump is a good President, then I’m not sure if anyone can help you. He is good for normal Americans. Of course this doesn’t mean he is a good news for globalists, who are not interested in a strong America. Who pays Antifa to create this chaos apart from idiotic celebrities (tip: main player’s name starts with S)? Why is it happening only in areas “governed” by Democrats?
    Because among the goals of this created chaos is to not let Trump win November elections.

    I do think they overplayed their hand this time. People are beginning to see through these actions.

    And he gave the speech already. On Saturday. Media ignored it. And this proves once again where you guys get your “news”.

  46. Kneel

    “…he needs to show moral leadership.”

    Right.
    The guy who said :
    “You can’t stop people peacefully protesting COVID lockdowns”
    and
    “Arrest the violent, the rioters…”
    and
    “terrible tragedy”
    and
    “these rioters are disrespecting George Floyd and his family and that’s not right”

    Yeah, that was Trump – standing up for citizens first amendment rights, while decrying violence. Saying Floyd shouldn’t have been killed and rioting about it helps no-one.

    The guy who said “These protestors – the criminals and thugs…” when talking about similar things happening while he was POTUS, was Obama.

    yet when Trump tweets “…THUGS…”, Twatter hides his tweet and the MSM cry “racist!”.

    Given that less than 40% if US voters trust the MSM, and the majority of those are Dimocraps, I suspect the rest will make up their own mind after doing their own listening and investigation. And should you care to do this yourself, it’s not hard to see the massive contradictions and U-turns the Dim’s perform, while DJT stays both on-track and positive – Dims:”he over-reacted – no wait, he didn’t react quick enough! he’s a waacist, we gotta get rid of him no matter what” vs DJT:”We’ll build it again”.

    We’ll see, I s’pose…

  47. Lee

    Trump is AWOL at the wheel.

    He can’t win, whatever he does with haters like you, Boris.
    Give it a rest.

  48. Squirrel

    “People seem to be frightened to call these people out because they might be accused of racism.”

    George Floyd’s family are not frightened, and they’re probably not racists…..

  49. Lee

    Watching the Channel Nine News tonight, you could be forgiven for thinking that PDT was personally responsible for all the rioting in the U.S.
    Or for thinking you were actually watching the ABC.
    Disgracefully partisan “reporting.”

  50. Buccaneer

    My 10 year can work it out that random looting is still wrong regardless of The supposed cause.

  51. Nighthawk the Elder

    Lee
    #3472441, posted on June 2, 2020 at 7:03 pm
    Watching the Channel Nine News tonight, you could be forgiven for thinking that PDT was personally responsible for all the rioting in the U.S.

    Yeah I saw that garbage as well. Channel Nein has caught the Fairfax disease and badly.

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