Open Forum: June 6, 2020

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  1. Joanna Smythe

    I don’t post very often so while I get the opportunity, may as well say 2

  2. MemoryFault

    Welcome Joanna, enjoy.
    Time for bed. Goodnight all.

  3. Joanna Smythe

    With regard to the list, it’s frightening. It might be interesting to know if anyone actually doesn’t support them but we all know most people would be too scared to say. That’s how bad things are now.

  4. Ellie

    Six. Excuse my accent.

  5. K2

    I lived in a share house in 99/00 with a couple of NZers. One was the best bloke I had met, the other one was the worst bloke, yet they got on well together. They weren’t queer etc. Just funny dynamics.

  6. Arky

    one was the worst bloke,

    ..
    How ya doing man, long time no see.

  7. Arky

    Sorry I rooted your girlfriend.

  8. Arky

    … and pawned your stuff.

  9. Zyconoclast #3475883, posted on June 6, 2020 at 12:05 am
    Here Are The Companies That Support Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Want You Dead
    Lists of 191 companies

    Thanks.
    Most of ’em I’ve never heard of, or never seen.
    A couple there it’ll be hard to get away from;
    Amex, Microsoft, & indirectly a coupla few of the tech companys.

  10. Arky

    … and that thing with your mum.
    I was drunk. Come on.

  11. Arky

    … and playing ‘Rain’ by Dragon. Over and over and over and over again.
    Sorry.

  12. JC

    Jeez, sheilas can be really underhanded at times. No man can beat a sheila at implanting a very fine needle in the back that kills you.

    Read on.

    It was a love triangle that contributed to the undoing of Herbert Appleroth as head of Ferrari Australasia.

    Mr Appleroth, an heir to the Aeroplane Jelly fortune, was having a sexual relationship with a female subordinate at Ferrari.

    At the same time, Mr Appleroth was also in a relationship with Bahar Etminan, founder of women’s lifestyle site Rescu and a self-described business innovator and beauty insider. Both went to Queensland’s Bond University.

    When Ms Etminan learnt of Mr Appleroth’s affair — and that his co-worker was pregnant with his child — she contacted Ferrari staff to make sure they knew. This included his superior, Ferrari’s president, Far and Middle East, Dieter Knechtel, to raise concerns about the company’s culture.

  13. Ellie

    Kiwi’s rule! We rock the socks off cocks.

  14. Ellie

    … and there are many wanting cocks.

  15. Ellie

    Dick heads, I think they are affectionately called.

  16. K2

    Some weirdos from that place Ellie. You excluded of course. I was trying to play a Cars song but must have fucked something up.

  17. JC

    Who do you call when in trouble? You don’t call Saul, you call Sue Cato the PR wiz. And what does she come up with?

    Again, read on..

    It was a “notorious fact” at Ferrari that senior executives “routinely” engaged in sexual relations with more junior staff, he said in his claim.

    He accused the former head of the Scuderia Ferrari Formula One Team, Maurizio Arrivabene, and the company’s global head of sales, Luca Zanetti, of having consensual sexual relations with subordinates.

    By the end of the week, Ferrari had called in public relations expert Sue Cato. The company said it rejected “recent characterisations of its workplace culture”.

    “Ferrari is committed to fostering a diverse, equitable and inclusive workplace and com­munity,” it said in a statement.

    It has been a car crash of a week the company will not be keen to ­repeat.

  18. Ellie

    The song you alluded to, Arky.

  19. K2

    Dragon were a grouse band. I grew up in the ’70s. Countdown and whatnot. AC/DC and so forth. They used to import a lot of the dope for the Mr. Asia syndicate. Stash it in the drum kit etc

  20. K2

    Yeah Ellie, Dragon had most of their best songs in the ’70s. Are you old enough? is a great song.

  21. K2

    LOL. I am not playing April Sun in Cuba!

  22. Rossini

    Quietly waiting for Tom!

  23. Ellie

    K2 – I can’t see your clip. Sigh. 🙂

  24. K2

    I am trying to play some Split Enz. Bear with me LOL

  25. K2

    Yeah superb song Poor Boy, Arky, cheers.

    Don’t get me going on Chisel, Ellie. Flame Trees is their best song. Don Walker was a true songsmith.

  26. Just looked at the list. Selling the Merc and going to get a Jag now.

  27. Perth Trader

    JC…I thought it was part of Italian culture to be emotionally and sexually strong enough to support a wife and mistress. Ferrari have caved in to the feminists.

  28. K2

    Arky played it already Ellie.

  29. K2

    I see. Here’s a more modern Kiwi tune. I like it LOL

  30. K2

    Reg Mombasa and his brother the drummer were Kiwis, Ellie.

  31. MemoryFault

    Looks like everybody’s finally gone to bed.
    So, a song to share with all the other lurking loners out there.

    It’s about trust, which seems to be in short supply these days.
    I guess if there’s no one else, you can only trust in yourself.
    But it’s more fun when it’s mutual.

  32. MemoryFault

    Fortunately, the future is still unwritten.

  33. MemoryFault

    Thanks Tom.

    Garrison and Leak this morning.
    Now for an hour’s nap before starting a new day.

  34. Anyone catch the eclipse? Too much cloud cover in Melbourne.

  35. AC

    Could someone let Gladys know that she is actually leader of a conservative party?

  36. miltonf

    Mak Siccar, I read that article. It’s very interesting. Violent evil people. Sometimes it seems that East Germany took over and not vv. Exhibit A- the Merkle slag.

  37. miltonf

    AC we haven’t had a conservative Liberal premier in NSW since Eric Willis.

  38. Ed Case

    Broelman.
    Reminds me of when Malcom Fraser donated $250,000 of our dosh to an appeal for the Fastnet Disaster of 1979.
    Yeah, cartoonists and hacks of the period suffered from Fraser Derangement Syndrome too, but the bloke was just an arsehole.

  39. A footnote from American history with relevance to the current situation
    When the US military was called out to remove WW1 veterans protesting in Washington in 1932, the result was the beginning of the end of the presidency of Herbert Hoover.

    While the 1932 demonstration didn’t achieve what it set out to, it left a permanent stain on Hoover’s presidency. The manner in which he used the Army to expel the veterans from Washington sparked outrage across the country before the fall presidential election; he lost to Franklin D. Roosevelt in a landslide.

    And something else that is pertinent to 2020 –

    Hoover attributed the Army’s brutal response to a national-security threat. He said the people who remained in the camp after the Senate vote were not veterans but “Communists and persons with criminal records,” The Times reported — though Communists had been explicitly barred from joining the movement in its early days and were quickly ousted by the protesters if discovered in their ranks.

    History doesn’t repeat, but occasionally it rhymes……

  40. Diogenes

    Is it just me or does is the shape of the hood of Knight’s death character look like the German ‘coal scuttle’ helmet?

  41. Ed Case

    When the US military was called out to remove WW1 veterans protesting in Washington in 1932, the result was the beginning of the end of the presidency of Herbert Hoover.

    Yep.
    The order to disperse the ”Boners” was given by Doug Macarthur and Colonel Eisenhower let the Cavalry charge.
    Ears were lopped and 4 boners died from saber wounds.
    That was Eisenhower’s first and last ”battle” experience.

  42. Ed Case

    Hi numbers
    Can I ask if you remember what immunisations Australian soldiers received prior to Service in Vietnam and whether Hydoxychloroquine was given for Malaria?

  43. Tom

    Reposting from yesterday:

    Must watch in full: Tucker Carlson Tonight. Carlson: “Now suddenly, its obvious — it should have been obvious the first day. This is about Donald Trump. Of course it is — we just couldn’t see it.
    “For Donald Trump’s enemies, there is nothing else –EVERYTHING is about Trump. Donald Trump defines their friendships, their careers, their marriages. Donald Trump affects how they raise their children. Trump occupies the very centre of their lives.
    “As long as Donald Trump remains in the White House, they feel powerless and diminished and panicked — they cannot be happy. In everything they do, their overriding goal is to remove Donald Trump from office and that’s exactly what thy’re trying to do now.
    “That’s what the riots are about. The most privileged in our society are using the most desperate in our society to seize power from everyone else.”

    Note: that Youtube I posted yesterday and from which I transcribed the above is now “unavailable”. Google does that to all its political enemies and Tucker Carlson is the most effective of all of them in the American news media.

    Remember, Google/Youtube is one of the social media monopolies that hoodwinked the US Congress into giving them special exemption for the consequences of their content (i.e., defamation lawsuits) by arguing they are just impartial content platforms that don’t make editorial judgements like “fact-checking” and censoring content to damage people they don’t like like Tucker Carlson.

  44. Johno

    Say you were the CEO of Taco Bell and you get a call from Antifa or BLM, do you add your name to the list or do you wait for every one of your stores to be torched?

  45. miltonf

    “That’s what the riots are about. The most privileged in our society are using the most desperate in our society to seize power from everyone else.”

    Yep and they’ve been at for at least 50 years. Consider LBJ’s private comments about the Great Society programs.

  46. egg_

    ABC TV Breakfast News opened with:
    BLM protesters across Australia to ignore social distancing restrictions

    Yoof are now abandoning granny for BLM?

    More self hatred from the Left

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    Eisenhower’s first and last battle experience. Jesus wept.

    Fitting today to note that Eisenhower wrote up an apology for D Day in case it failed, and in it he said he took full responsibility for the defeat as he was the bloke in charge, and the buck stopped with him and him alone.

    If this sort of acccountability existed in this day and age it would be refreshing.

    As an example, you will never ever see our chief military pansy, ’employ violence with humility’ Campbell put his hand up for the ADF’s current level of sissification. Yes, with some notable exceptions where all he could do was stop them using nasty warlike emblems to remind people they’re supposed to be warlike.

  48. Mark M

    When Black Music Was Conservative
    Songs from the classic soul era celebrated marriage and upward mobility

    “A few decades ago, black popular music—what’s come to be known as “classic soul”—was notable for featuring lyrics that celebrated marriage and downplayed obstacles to black progress.
    Its lyrics championed the sort of family life that lays the groundwork for upward mobility and the optimism associated with a period of social breakthroughs and economic improvement.”

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/when-black-music-was-conservative-13745.html

    “So we pulled up to a gas station, Friday toots his horn, man comes out, Friday says, “Fill ‘er up!”
    Man looks, says, “I don’t sell no black gas, man.”
    Good thing he had no dark water, the only thing he had was coke, and he wouldn’t sell that to us.”

    On the road again – Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee

  49. Pedro the Loafer

    All those pommy cartoons above are pissweak.

    That is all.

  50. egg_

    LBJ’s private comments about the Great Society programs.

    Harvesting the Black Vote (c. 10% of the population)?

  51. egg_

    The Australian Aboriginal Industry self identifying with both the Native North American Indians and Afro Americans, because skin colour.
    Diversity, right there.

  52. Hi numbers
    Can I ask if you remember what immunisations Australian soldiers received prior to Service in Vietnam and whether Hydoxychloroquine was given for Malaria?

    I’d have to dig out my medical records to answer the first question in detail.
    Suffice to say there were many, and some soldiers did not always react well.
    I remember one bloke who was discharged after an anaphylactic reaction which nearly killed him.
    I remember getting into trouble by suggesting, after getting tired of queueing for longer than everyone else for numerous jabs because I was always at the end of the alphabet, that reverse alphabetical order be used from time to time.
    I was threatened with a charge for speaking out of turn, but received plenty of support from diggers whose surnames began with letters L – Z.
    On reflection, I think that the medics dishing out the injections lacked the smarts to say the alphabet backwards. They often weren’t the sharpest tools in the box, sometimes forgetting to provide a chair during the procedure, to avoid injury from people passing out which was not unknown.
    After one digger collapsed post jab, and fell on his face damaging a few teeth, procedures improved.
    From memory, in country we took both dapsone and paludrine as antimalarials.
    I have never heard of “hydoxychloroquine”.
    If you mean hydroxychloroquine, it wasn’t used when I was there.
    This might be of interest.
    And this.

  53. egg_

    “A few decades ago, black popular music—what’s come to be known as “classic soul”—was notable for featuring lyrics that celebrated marriage and downplayed obstacles to black progress.

    MLK Jr was anti-riot – he was into peaceful protest ad working with the white man, not hating him.
    He knew he would be taken out by the powers that be at the time, accordingly.

  54. calli

    Interesting ‘toon from Ramirez.

  55. miltonf

    University of Alabama professor Sarah Parcak took to Twitter on Sunday night with a “professional hot take” on exactly how a mob could pull down an Egyptian-style obelisk that “might be masquerading as a racist monument,” such as the Confederate war dead memorial in Birmingham, Alabama.

    Maybe online and on-the-job is the way to go to train future professionals.

  56. Ed Case

    Harvesting the Black Vote (c. 10% of the population)?

    He was alleged to have remarked that:
    ”I’ll have them joggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” in response to a question about his motivation for pushing thru the Civil Rights Act 1964.
    Never verified, possibly apocryphal.

  57. rickw

    an anthropology book a mate gave me called “Guns, germs and steel”

    One of Jared Diamond’s best.

    The wheels kind of fall off it when you go and live and work in PNG.

  58. Ed Case

    ***I’d have to dig out my medical records to answer the first question in detail.
    Suffice to say there were many, and some soldiers did not always react well.***
    Thanks for your detailed response.

  59. feelthebern

    I have a friend who wants to do an MBA, I’ve tried to talk him out of it and to no avail.

    CFA.
    It’s your global passport.
    MBA’s have become a vanity/networking tool.

  60. feelthebern

    Keep in mind, there are two kinds of MBA’s.
    Real ones, from real schools, 99% of them in US.

    Or the fly-in, fly-out, networking ones from Harvard that are just a money marking exercise.

  61. calli

    From Matrix on the OOT

    he who dies with the most tools … wins

    I hear you. I’m working on the fabric and thread stash. And I plan to win.

  62. egg_

    NSW Supreme Court bans Sydney Black Lives Matter protest

    Their ABC narrative:

    International protests have thrown light on police treatment of Indigenous Australians
    Police Minister David Elliott called local protests “not my kind of cause”
    – Senior politicians said they were concerned for public health amid the pandemic

  63. Pedro the Loafer

    More stories that didn’t happen from that sour and bitter old fart.

    I remember getting into trouble by suggesting, after getting tired of queueing for longer than everyone else for numerous jabs because I was always at the end of the alphabet, that reverse alphabetical order be used from time to time.
    I was threatened with a charge for speaking out of turn, but received plenty of support from diggers whose surnames began with letters L – Z.

  64. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the medics dishing out the injections lacked the smarts’

    Another crack at the professional soldiery from the resident specialist runner-away-er.

    ‘I ended up in the army to do a job, not get a job.’

  65. Knuckle Dragger

    And:

    ‘a charge for speaking out of turn’

    Bullshit.

  66. bespoke

    calli
    #3476031, posted on June 6, 2020 at 7:38 am
    From Matrix on the OOT

    he who dies with the most tools … wins

    I hear you. I’m working on the fabric and thread stash. And I plan to win.

    Power tools and drones for me. 😎

  67. rickw

    Daily dose of Vietnam!

  68. feelthebern

    Gladys fully supports the protests today.
    But it’s more important to her to run cover on her economic vandalism, the shut downs.
    If she didn’t try ban the protest, every small business & church goer would be the next to march.

  69. calli

    I see wearing of the niqab is now mandatory on English public transport.

  70. egg_

    Uber Nerds garage project:

  71. calli

    Gee I’m devastated by China’s travel ban.

    No floor show at Birubi watching Chinese punters in platforms walking along the beach. And turning their backs to the waves for the photo op with the inevitable result.

  72. egg_

    Gladys fully supports the protests today.

    Even though they’re illegal?
    Each.way.bet Glad.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    Imagine my surprise!

    Chicago’s George Floyd reaction looting foists ‘food deserts’ on locals: ‘What did we accomplish?’

    Looting and destruction in the wake of George Floyd’s death at the hands of Minneapolis cops have left Chicago with new “food deserts” and a worried community.

    A local CBS affiliate in the Windy City surveyed the damage to local grocery stores and pharmacies along the South Side this week and found residents dazed and confused about the challenge of finding fresh food. “Chicago now has food deserts in places that weren’t food deserts before,” reporter Marissa Parra said Wednesday.

    Well done rioters, you’ve now made it a very long way to the shop if you want a sausage roll.
    Put another crap song on your newly acquired airpods and celebrate!

  74. MatrixTransform

    Power tools and drones for me

    highly recommend a multi-tool (not Ryobi)

  75. BLM are drowning grannies in pools of their own blood.

    Ain’t that right monty?

    PS

    When is Muellerween?

  76. MatrixTransform

    Calli, I got an extensive collection of ancient industrial automation hardware

    sometimes I look at the stack as if they’re the corpses of vanquished enemies

    weird ?

  77. miltonf

    So what’s demorats’ next dirty trick? I see that dirty old woman pelosi’s been out ‘protesting’.

  78. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dislike of communism is racist now? Oh.

  79. feelthebern

    My Chinese born staff were shocked yesterday when I stated the only logical policy outcome to address Chinese negative population growth was an “incentives” program for more babies.
    Rich people have been able to have more than one child for the last 30 years.
    My view is that party members who are in middle management or above at SOE’s or work directly for the government will be “incentivised” to have two children (or even three).
    No baby (or babies), no career progression.
    It is the only policy outcome that stops China becoming Japan, who’s already past that point of no return.

  80. egg_

    BLM are drowning grannies in pools of their own blood.

    Black Grannies Don’t Matter?

  81. Thanks for your detailed response.

    More detail.
    My medical record shows two cards.
    The first is called International Certificate of Vaccination against Yellow Fever.
    Obviously, we were inoculated against much more than yellow fever, but I have no idea what the annotations mean.
    It lists the following.
    2/02/69 – BCG
    05/03/69 – TAB/tet
    17/04/69 – Sabin (1)
    07/07/69 – TAB (2)
    07/07/69 – Sabin (2)
    7/07/69 – T.T. (2)
    07/07/69 – Plague (1)
    07/08/69 – Plague (2)
    07/08/69 – Sabin (2)
    15/12/69 – TAB (3)
    15/12/69 – TFT. Tox (3)
    02/02/70 – Plag (B)
    *09/06/70 – Plague (B)

    The second card is titled International Certificate of Vaccination against Cholera.
    It looks as if it’s simple listing of dates of cholera vaccinations, with the rubber stamp of Commonwealth of Australia – Defence Forces appearing next to each date, along with the “signature and professional status” of the vaccinator.
    Again, most of this is greek to me, but these dates are noted (in biro) on the card – no computers back then. Most jabs happened in Oz – only two on SVN.
    I don’t know why they had to be listed on a separate card.
    07/07/69
    07/08/69
    02/02/70
    *09/06/70
    *30/09/70
    I think the jab on 9th June 1970 was prior to R & R in Bangkok.

    * Administered in SVN

  82. Again

    Why do we even have a military?

    Warriors are vilified with zero evidence witch hunts, generals that don’t want to fight and hobble the warrior ethos, we buy useless shit like *cold water submarines* at absurd prices and we’ve turned soldiering into a self improvement club for women who are still oppressed and have no opportunity whatsoever.

    The military is like being pregnant. There is no such thing as a halfway useful military.

    Spend the money wisely or not at all

  83. Mater

    Thanks for your detailed response.

    It wasn’t a detailed response to your actual question, just an opportunity to big note himself and backhand anyone else within reach.

  84. MatrixTransform

    Just watched some of the AntiFa fight club video by project veritas

    they call it a Safe Space for learning to fight

    omfg … what a fecking joke

  85. Eyrie

    ” an anthropology book a mate gave me called “Guns, germs and steel”

    One of Jared Diamond’s best.

    The wheels kind of fall off it when you go and live and work in PNG.”

    Most academic scientists are very good salesmen who could make good livings selling used cars.

  86. Mater

    Bob,
    I’ve got a question which your Vietnam experience might be useful in answering:

    How many Army blankets (folded in the correct military fashion) does the measurement from your elbow to your wrist, represent? I’ve herd that it’s a handy tidbit when doing Q Store stocktakes. Apparently, most diggers assigned to Q Stores “lacked the smarts” to count them individually.

  87. JohnJJJ

    It would be interesting to have the real impact figures on tourists from Mainland China. A Chinese mate of mine works as a driver for them. He said just about all their spending goes back to China. He only takes them to Chinese owned Duty Free, Chinese restaurants and he assured me that the hotel was Chinese owned.

  88. vr

    CFA.
    It’s your global passport.
    MBA’s have become a vanity/networking tool

    CFA — Every international commerce student is doing it. It is valued if you have experience I think, not so in the case of 22 year old with no experience.

  89. feelthebern

    Every international commerce student is doing it.

    Good.

    & yes, experience trumps everything.

  90. Knuckle Dragger

    Every time you’re out here*, you remember and realise just how vast this country is.

    Vast, and ancient. Hundreds and hundreds of millions of years old.

    Hundreds. And hundreds. Of millions.

    And when you’re out here, you also realise the colossal effrontery of a bunch of tribes who reckon they own the joint when they’ve been here a pissweak 40,000 years or so. Like they opened the door of a 200 room mansion, stayed under the front door frame and reckoned they claimed the lot.

    *Waaaaaay out, not 20 minutes out of the city where you can see trees.

    NB: All my clients appear to have made the eight hour drive to Alice Springs. Something about the pubs being open. Poor entrepreneurship on my part.

    NB#2: Feral camels and horses. Fucking everywhere.

  91. feelthebern

    Even though Joe Rogan tests everyone who goes to his studio, I’m not sure if sharing a joint with guests (as he does today) is a good idea.
    Literally passing around a joint.
    It’s 2020 baby !!

  92. notafan

    Sabin is for polio.

    I thought you already had had it.

  93. Mater

    On reflection, I think that the medics dishing out the injections lacked the smarts to say the alphabet backwards. They often weren’t the sharpest tools in the box

    I’ll just leave this here. Make of it what you will.

    1735099
    #3113063, posted on July 22, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    The year 1968 was when my St John’s Cert (as it was in those days) was first current.
    The army thought enough of that qualification to appoint me platoon medic until a properly trained medic became available a couple of months into our tour. Fortunately my training wasn’t required prior to the “real” medic coming in.

  94. If you need experience to make a qualification worth it, then the qualification is useless.

    Some jobs require education and training.

    Do you want a sparky who doesn’t understand Ohm’s Law?

    If it takes a whole career to finally get value out of postgraduate education… doesn’t that really mean *you* are kind of stupid?

    Why does a CFA need more experience than a CA for their qualification to be worthwhile?

    I don’t get it.

    Anyway my boy seems to have settled on Deakin with Econ/law electives.

  95. feelthebern

    Anyway my boy seems to have settled on Deakin with Econ/law electives

    So he’s trans ?

  96. notafan

    I suspect Chinese businesses here get their Chinese customers to pay them in Chinese currency into their Chinese bank accounts.

    Thats what dagzou do.

  97. feelthebern

    I think you mean daigou.

  98. Bushkid

    Johno
    #3476008, posted on June 6, 2020 at 7:07 am
    Say you were the CEO of Taco Bell and you get a call from Antifa or BLM, do you add your name to the list or do you wait for every one of your stores to be torched?

    That right there would be extortion.

    But who’d be surprised?

  99. Ed Case

    More detail.
    My medical record shows two cards.

    Thanks again.
    Even for fit blokes in their early 20s, that is a lot of medication in a short time frame.

  100. notafan

    More food deserts in US cities.

    I remember my friend mentioning this in her fly over country area, small Asian owned corner shops with more security features than a bank, owners giving up after almost daily robberies by the drug affected. Even small shopping malls closing after being ‘run through’ too often.

    Then it’s ‘discrimination’.

  101. feelthebern

    & the daigou business model is supported by Alipay.
    Not what a westerner would call a bank account.

  102. vr

    No one is going to hire based on a CFA qualification. Our top students (some with honours degrees) walk straight into job at the IBs/consulting firms. They all do internships in their 2nd or 3rd year.

    CFAs matter for analysts and those looking for a job as a portfolio manager.

    The IBs/Consulting firms/money managers fill their yearly quota with students from Melb, Sydney, UNSW, Queensland, maybe UWA and ANU. Students from other universities rarely get a chance. The network effect of strong.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    Don’t miss this article from Steven Hayward today:

    Dan Henningers Grand Slam

    I’ll only quote one bit because it is relevant to the local protests today:

    Since the 1960s, essentially little has changed in the neighborhoods at the center of those long-ago urban riots. By current telling, they are about as poor, as crime-ridden, as under-educated and in poor health as they were when LBJ said he would change them. That means five decades of stasis and stagnation in America’s most marginalized places, virtually all of it under Democratic—now “progressive”—political control.

    The failure of the liberal model is by now so embarrassing that the current owners of that model have created an alternative universe of explanations, such as blaming it on American settlers in the early 17th century or the nonexistence of “justice.”

    Cut and paste in “aboriginal settlements”, “James Cook” and “ALP” for the equivalent terms and you have an eerie echo of what no doubt the activists today will be screeching about.

  104. Mater

    On reflection, I think that the medics dishing out the injections lacked the smarts to say the alphabet backwards. They often weren’t the sharpest tools in the box

    I’ll leave this Little bit of hypocrisy here.

    1735099
    #514509, posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    My posting was rifleman 5 platoon B Coy (5 months), and storeman Q platoon Admin Coy (5 months) not cook, although I’ll wager that the cooks who served in Vietnam would be rightly offended by your smear. Most vets are used to this crap, but it takes a real coward to post it on a blog.

    And this one.

    1735099
    #3130989, posted on August 13, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    Your cowardly tendency to put shit on POGOs demeans my mate.

    And again.

    1735099
    #3116046, posted on July 26, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    OK Kev – time to head off to Aluprrurulam – “your country”.
    A Vietnam vet with your talent and refinement would be welcome.
    And by the way, it’s interesting to know you’re quite content to allow bullshit to be posted about a member of the unit for which you are the on-line custodian.

  105. feelthebern

    Students from other universities rarely get a chance.

    I do not agree with that statement.

  106. vr

    The operative word is “rarely”. Didn’t say never.

  107. feelthebern

    No one is going to hire based on a CFA qualification.

    It’s a pre-requisite for a lot of firms.
    But obviously, experience is key for a real role.

  108. Australian universities don’t really get bragging rights.

    Sandstones to cow colleges, they’re all infected with woke garbage, dumbing down, cheating, useless research, commies and useless eaters.

    The Greek Finance Minister was from U Syd. A raging communist dolt.

    Does anyone really think a degree from UTS is intrinsically worth more than one from CQU?

    Why? *Because a boomer who went to UTS thinks so*

    I mean really. No one fails at Harvard and information is virtually free now.

  109. feelthebern

    vr, you seem to be referring to Australia.
    & you also seem to be referring to practices that have been on the decline for the last 5 years especially.

  110. notafan

    If Vietnam recognised this as a problem in 2018 what are other countries with large numbers of Chinese tourists doing?

    They don’t bring any real economic benefits to locals if this is the game they play.

    Vietnam’s deputy PM calls for crackdown on Chinese digital wallet payments

  111. vr

    It’s a pre-requisite for a lot of firms.
    But obviously, experience is key for a real role.

    Again, here is what I said: CFAs matter for analysts and those looking for a job as a portfolio manager.

  112. Ed Case

    It wasn’t a detailed response to your actual question, just an opportunity to big note himself and backhand anyone else within reach.

    My initial question was more than answered.
    Are you a paid shill for the Department of Defence, because that’s what your unhinged rants make you sound like?

  113. feelthebern

    Australian universities don’t really get bragging rights.

    Correct.

  114. Mater

    Are you a paid shill for the Department of Defence, because that’s what your unhinged rants make you sound like?

    Care to post an example?

  115. vr

    you seem to be referring to Australia.
    & you also seem to be referring to practices that have been on the decline for the last 5 years especially.

    Yes. I have had my students placed in the DCM, Consulting firms and IBs in the last three or four years alone.

  116. Farmer Gez

    According to this government inquiry Numbers was given Dapsone for malaria.

    The consumption of the Dapsone was strictly monitored and recorded during the Vietnam era. Through these records, total cumulative Dapsone consumption was able to be reconstructed at an individual level. Dapsone consumption information was compiled for the previous study1 and no further refinement of this data was undertaken for the present study.
    The temporal nature of Dapsone use needs to be considered. Dapsone was used from the last quarter of 1968 to 1972. Orders were given as to when Dapsone should be used and with few exceptions all who served during the time these orders were in effect (mainly during the wet seasons of these years) were given the Dapsone/Paludrine treatment. Over 80% of the Army personnel served one tour in Vietnam. The majority of those exposed to Dapsone served after 1968 and the majority of those who were not exposed to Dapsone served prior to 1969. Thus Dapsone exposure in general also correlates with the operational exposures occurring during the two time periods.

  117. Everyone is talking about peddling yes men stuff or peddling trailing fees.

    My mate is in construction/electronics.

    (People actually pay money for a 2 X 2 matrix with dogs cows stars and “?” – sounds like someone’s 1st year marketing essay.)

  118. mh

    BLM protesters across Australia to ignore social distancing restrictions

    And will they get fined? Of course not, they’re from the Left.

  119. Johno

    Ed Case has no friends, but sucking up to Sniffy is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  120. feelthebern

    CFAs matter for analysts and those looking for a job as a portfolio manager.

    Very wrong.
    A candidate we were trying to employ, had a two years study at a Chinese uni.
    One year at a Sydney based uni.
    No honours.
    About 3-4 years of experience in varying roles.
    Had his CFA.
    Where’s did he go?
    McKinsey.
    On a package almost 2x what we offered him.

  121. Nota

    That’s oppressive BS masquerading as economic nationalism.

    They just don’t like crypto. How many Vietnamese use the same wallets as the Chinese?

  122. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Fitting today to note that Eisenhower wrote up an apology for D Day in case it failed, and in it he said he took full responsibility for the defeat as he was the bloke in charge, and the buck stopped with him and him alone.

    “Our landings in the Cherbourg-Havre area have failed to gain a satisfactory foothold and I have withdrawn the troops. My decision to attack at this time and place was based upon the best information available. The troops, the air and the Navy did all that Bravery and devotion to duty could do. If any blame or fault attaches to the attempt it is mine alone.”

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    The whaaaaaale…….

    The whiiiiiiiiiite whaaaaaaale!

  124. vr

    Where’s did he go?
    McKinsey.

    There are always exceptions to the rule. Again experience.

    I know a top fund manager in OZ (according to morningstar ratings) who did the CFA when they were transitioning from an analyst to a fund manager. Did it only for the piece of paper.

  125. Mater

    Hey Ed,
    Have you sorted yourself out about the REAL FACTS about ‘The Battle of Blair Mountain’?

    You’re welcome.

  126. feelthebern

    Yes. I have had my students placed in the DCM, Consulting firms and IBs in the last three or four years alone.

    What’s your view on employers still being able to ask for PR’s or Australian citizens only for their graduate recruitment programs?
    & the same for the intern programs that most uni’s facilitate?

  127. Snoopy

    Monty’s no racist. He’ll be at the march.

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah. Appreciated, Zulu. The very quote I was thinking of.

    Commanded the largest invasion of a continent in history. Nothing like it before or since. Made it clear the buck stopped with him.

    But still, according to contrarians his highlight was charging bonus rioters in 1932.

  129. Ed Case

    Ed Case has no friends, but sucking up to Sniffy is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Sure.
    We’re both anonymous commenters, yet you claim a right to pass judgement?

  130. notafan

    I don’t know dot.

    You get a free holiday in Vietnam as long as you pay inflated prices for goods in a Chinese owned retail store directly into a Chinese bank account.

    What’s in it for the people of Vietnam?

    Dangzou do much the same thing here with personal shopping.

    No wonder they are agitating so hard to get Chinese University students back in to the country.

    The ABC estimated there were 150,000 dangzou in 2019, the ABC also mentioned the payment arrangements.

    Do we really need to have Ponzi dogboxes and all the rest for this?

    The ABC often ran anti Chinese foreign ownership and similar articles.
    It’s a curious thing.

  131. vr

    What’s your view on employers still being able to ask for PR’s or Australian citizens only for their graduate recruitment programs?
    & the same for the intern programs that most uni’s facilitate?

    It seems to me that IBs fill the quota from those that do internships with them. That happened with my student who went to IB and the consulting firm.

    The DCM was because the group hiring has people from the same university. They kept this student in mind when he missed on the first job they interviewed for.

    All locals. They don’t interview international students — perhaps for Singapore of HK, but rarely.

    Of the three students I mentioned here, the one that went to IB was the strongest and the one to the consulting firm was the weakest (and my god, arrogant).

  132. vr

    Feelthebern — FMAA roles might help bring some name recognition with HR people.

  133. Mater

    Monty’s no racist. He’ll be at the march.

    With, or without, the glad-wrap coating?

  134. Farmer Gez

    notafan
    #3476121, posted on June 6, 2020 at 9:10 am
    I don’t know dot.

    You get a free holiday in Vietnam as long as you pay inflated prices for goods in a Chinese owned retail store directly into a Chinese bank account.

    Go down to Acland Street St Kilda and buy a traditional Swiss pastry from the Wang family.

  135. feelthebern

    They don’t interview international students

    Wow.
    Businesses not even considering the 100,000 international students that graduate each year.
    To be fair, I knew the answer before I asked it.
    Clearly you can see the ecosystem you are part of is dying.

  136. Nick

    Cats, remember it was the Left who advocated shutting down States and penalties for those who disobeyed. Today’s ‘Me too’ marches should be seen no differently.

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  138. Nick

    Monty’s no racist. He’ll be at the march.

    He will star as the wombat totem

  139. Googoomuck

    The autopsy report on George Floyd has been released. No signs of asphyxia, but there was heart disease plus several illicit drugs in his system. Among them were traces of meth and Fentanyl, which can cause heart attacks. So it looks like just a case of an unhealthy drug user having a heart attack whilst being arrested. I reckon Chauvin will plead to a much reduced charge and the race hustlers will await their next cause celebre. BTW, if you read about the Medical Examiner’s report, it uses the term “homicide” but this is distinct from the legal use of the term.

  140. Ed Case

    But still, according to contrarians his highlight was charging bonus rioters in 1932.

    Wrong.
    The boners were peaceful protesters who had marched on Washington and set up tents on the banks of the Potomac opposite the White House.
    Eisenhower led an armed attack that drove the families out and burned the tents and belongings.

  141. vr

    Businesses not even considering the 100,000 international students that graduate each year.

    Visa rules. Need to be an Australian resident for these jobs. By the time they get the PR (takes a few years) they can’t compete.

    I had very large company offering internships for students doing my course — that was the requirement.

  142. feelthebern

    I had very large company offering internships for students doing my course — that was the requirement.

    For now.

  143. cohenite

    Tom’s toons: Leak and the American cartoonists are great; the rest of the Australians and the Brits are fucked.

  144. vr

    I am just relaying what I see. Not into prognostication. I will say this — very small percentage (local or international) are really good. The good international students are NOT coming to Australia.

    I hear the number of applications to Canadian universities have increased markedly.

  145. Nick

    The good international students are NOT coming to Australia.

    The best ones stay in their home countries. Why waste money studying abroad if you don’t have to ?

  146. Nick

    China’s Ministry of Culture and Tourism has advised the public to avoid travelling to Australia, citing racial discrimination and violence against Chinese people in connection with the COVID-19 pandemic.

    “There has been an alarming increase recently in acts of racial discrimination and violence against Chinese and Asians in Australia, due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic,” the ministry said in a statement on Friday evening.

    It did not give any specific examples of such discrimination or violence.

    Neither do shills like Soupandasarnie. This wild accusation by China will become ‘fact’ as the Leftist media use it as a given.

  147. vr

    The best ones stay in their home countries. Why waste money studying abroad if you don’t have to ?

    This is definitely true with undergrads. The ones who come from China are probably ones that couldn’t get into the local school. If you could get into Tsinghua or Fudan, why would you come here? Same for IITs or the top Indian schools.

  148. Mater

    The good international students are NOT coming to Australia.

    Why would they?

    Mossimo used to be an upmarket, edgy and expensive Leisure Wear brand. Highly desirable. Then they started selling it at Target, so everyone could have it.
    Now, not so desirable.

  149. egg_

    Monty’s no racist. He’ll be at the march.

    Stopping for a half dozen BLTs after the BLM?

  150. egg_

    The good international students are NOT coming to Australia.

    Injuns who come here would really rather be in the US.

  151. vr

    Injuns who come here would really rather be in the US.

    This is true for folks for most countries. Canada is attractive because they believe it is easier to migrate to the US.

  152. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    top 100! another participation prize to add to my boundless collection

  153. feelthebern

    The model is begin studying in China, complete studies in Australia.
    & use it to a path way to PR.
    Australia is a destination purely because of the pathway to PR.
    Plus we benefit from the US & how most rich people globally hate the way the US use the CRS.
    Then comes asset procurement.
    Post that a pipeline for asset transfer from China to Australia.
    The end goal is move family here.

  154. vr

    The end goal is move family here.

    This is getting very difficult from what I hear from recent (Chinese) migrants.

  155. feelthebern

    Why come to Australia?
    You’re living in shit holes like India or China.
    Your family says you’re going to Australia to study.
    Are you going to say no?

  156. Nick

    What’s with the taking a knee thing, is it mirroring Kaepernick?
    Don’t they realise that it mirrors the knee to Floyd’s throat?

  157. Mak Siccar

    Sorry to burst your bubble Zippy, but you are not in the top 100.

  158. Ed Case

    Here are 2 comments from Unz review, one about Asians living in the U.K., the other about anomalies in the death of George Floyd, including the claim that the killer cop and George worked at a restaurant together as well as at a niteclub.

  159. feelthebern

    For most Chinese students, studying in Australia is such a holiday for them.
    Even though they are insanely rich by our standards, they don’t have the food or weather we have here.
    Studying in Australia is also easier than in China.

  160. What’s with the taking a knee thing, is it mirroring Kaepernick?
    Don’t they realise that it mirrors the knee to Floyd’s throat?

    It’s both.
    On the one hand it’s a reminder of police treatment of Floyd.
    On the other, it mirrors Kaepernick’s peaceful symbolic response to that kind of abuse of state power.
    It’s brilliant and powerful.

  161. cohenite

    Watching the rioters and looters: I reckon there are basically 2 types of kids involved: deprived black kids coming from broken homes and spoilt white kids coming from the heart of the upper and rich middle class. Both are usual idiots for the Soros commies/Antifa running the show. All overseen by weak as piss demorats who are content to use the shit show to bash Trump, and rahed on by the pig-suckling media.

    If Trump doesn’t kill 2020 with a majority the human race is stuffed.

  162. feelthebern

    One of my staff was accepted to Caltech but her family changed her destination to Sydney Uni for one reason.
    The CRS.
    Rich Chinese hate the combination of the US & CRS.

  163. Mater

    Why come to Australia?

    “The good international students”, ftb.
    Nothing about an Australian education gives you a point of differentiation. They are degrees for sale, and everyone knows it.
    If you are talented and want to set yourself apart, go elsewhere.
    If you want to get away from living in a shit hole, sure, come to Australia. Fair enough. But if that’s your motivation, don’t stay too long. We are well on our way.

  164. feelthebern

    It’s brilliant and powerful.

    It’s cliche.
    It’s derivative.
    Only impacts the weakest of minds.

  165. feelthebern

    Mater, I agree with every you said @ 9:45.
    I haven’t said anything contra to that.

  166. egg_

    Injuns who come here would really rather be in the US.

    And don’t hide the fact.
    Gives the Left a warm glow?

  167. Dr Faustus

    What’s with the taking a knee thing, is it mirroring Kaepernick?
    Don’t they realise that it mirrors the knee to Floyd’s throat?

    Either extremely insensitive, or a sly pisstake.

  168. Mater

    Mater, I agree with every you said @ 9:45.
    I haven’t said anything contra to that.

    Solidarity! 😉

  169. notafan

    Farmer Gez
    Acland street.

    Long time since I’ve been there.

    Just read the reviews on one of the famous cake shops

    Mouldy, dry, stale, even dropped on floor then replaced in cabinet after customer left.

    I don’t think I’ll bother.

  170. Mater

    Are you a paid shill for the Department of Defence, because that’s what your unhinged rants make you sound like?

    Care to post an example?

    Still waiting, Ed.
    In these days of COVID, I’ve got precious else to do.

  171. notafan

    Numbers is an expert on the power of genuflecting.

    I only do it for God.

  172. Nick

    On the one hand it’s a reminder of police treatment of Floyd.

    Numbers, that’s bizarre.
    Let’s imagine Floyd was shot. Would cocking and firing an imaginary pistol be seen as an appropriate gesture ?

  173. Roger

    The good international students are NOT coming to Australia.

    Given the state of our universities that’s no surprise.

  174. Nick

    Just read the reviews on one of the famous cake shops

    Mouldy, dry, stale, even dropped on floor then replaced in cabinet after customer left.

    They look good but have cheap ingredients.
    Brunetti outlets are a better bet. Or better still, Ferguson Plarre (seriously)

  175. calli

    Taking the knee is, and always had been, a gesture of submission.

    I do not want the police to submit to the mob.

    What’s next, citizens being made to do it to some random by force? Be careful in what you admire.

  176. vr

    Injuns who come here would really rather be in the US.

    My cousin came to do Masters at UNSW. As soon as he landed here, applied for PR in Canada where he moved to on completion of the degree. Now is in the US.

  177. Nick

    Given the state of our universities that’s no surprise.

    There’s an illustrative article running in Fairfax papers today on the Uni’s ‘plight’.
    What isn’t said is that who said every kid needs to go to University? We have far too many Universities, many of who, are opening as many outlets as they can.

  178. rickw

    It would be interesting to have the real impact figures on tourists from Mainland China. A Chinese mate of mine works as a driver for them. He said just about all their spending goes back to China. He only takes them to Chinese owned Duty Free, Chinese restaurants and he assured me that the hotel was Chinese owned.

    I worked at Cairns Airport during its peak as a Japanese tourist destination. They flew in on JAL, rode on JAL buses, stayed at Japanese owned hotels and rode on Japanese owned boats.

    When the whole thing fell apart, the net benefit to Australia was the two rather tired hotels they left behind.

  179. Struth

    It would be interesting to have the real impact figures on tourists from Mainland China. A Chinese mate of mine works as a driver for them. He said just about all their spending goes back to China. He only takes them to Chinese owned Duty Free, Chinese restaurants and he assured me that the hotel was Chinese owned.

    This is spot on.
    Not worth worrying about, this farce of Chinese tourism, as a matter of fact Chinese tourism could be said to be worse for businesses that compete for custom against these businesses basically winning via corruption, and owned by communist party members or at least controlled by them.

    I remember it was similar with the JTB, the Japs, back into the early nineties.
    Travelled in groups due to language and cultural issues, even hired their suitcases from the JTB before leaving and never saw anything except a couple of Japanese souvenir shops a day and some scenery.
    You guys remember they were about to buy Green Island and were introducing the Yen to it?

    It’s worse with the Chinese.
    Even worse materialistic pigs.
    We only lose dealing with them.

  180. feelthebern

    Australia is becoming a nation of physical & virtual oases.
    Ex some parts of ag & mining, I can’t think of a segment of the Australian economy that is a global leader.
    Our tech sector is more in response to extracting the margins of legacy businesses & industries, so I wouldn’t call that global leading.
    Everything is about the grift.

  181. Bruce

    The heading photograph?

    There’s your “White Privilege” right there.

    “Anti-Fascist”, (Antifa?) too!

    Well, “anti-Nazi”, but we all know how the degenerates classify anyone accused of deviating a nanometre right of Marx and Lenin as automatically a “Fascist”.

    Rough figures:

    In the first day of that trip to the seaside, about 155,000, mostly “white” Allied troops were sent ashore.

    At the end of that first day’s “trading’, well over FOUR THOUSAND of them were confirmed DEAD.

    Then, that meat-grinder rolled on for another ten months.

    Meanwhile, in the Pacific….

  182. Farmer Gez

    notafan
    #3476172, posted on June 6, 2020 at 9:48 am
    Farmer Gez
    Acland street.

    Yep, don’t bother. It was a greet place years ago, with all types of cakes and pastries and good coffee. The traditional shop owners sold out to the Chinese and the care and pride in the product went to shit.
    Our family went to the same shop last year, where we enjoyed delicious apple strudel only a year before and ate what could only be described as Woolies frozen brand. The new owners weren’t exactly the lederhosen types.

  183. vr

    Ex some parts of ag & mining, I can’t think of a segment of the Australian economy that is a global leader.

    This I agree with. There are pockets of excellance. But, undergrads are not coming here to do mining engineering for example.

  184. Cassie of Sydney

    This is excellent….Darren Grimes is a young (he is 23), gay British conservative political activist…who grew in a single parent household on a council estate in northern England. The Liberal elite…of course…have tried to shut him down because he refuses to conform to their creed….however he took the establishment on and won. He was wrongly fined by the UK Electoral Commission (shades of what happened to Avi in Melbourne last year) and faced financial ruin at the age of 23 when he decided to fight back and took his case all the way to the High Court.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4PJ9X5Rxc

    His youtube channel is excellent.

  185. vr

    Our family went to the same shop last year, where we enjoyed delicious apple strudel only a year before and ate what could only be described as Woolies frozen brand. The new owners weren’t exactly the lederhosen types.

    Which one of the four cake shops is it? Hope it is not Monarch’s.

  186. rickw

    Less pushy Chunk tourists?

    I once stayed at a Chunk hotel, former Japanese hotel. First day at breakfast I used normal western manners, barely got a coffee in time. After that, FU, get the hell out of my way.

    A Chunk friend took me to a Chunk buffet restaurant at a tourist destination. Warned me that what what I would see would be disgusting. It was.

  187. calli

    I remember it was similar with the JTB, the Japs, back into the early nineties.

    Yes. The Beloved was heavily involved in this. There was a niche to be exploited – a business not aligned with the usual suspects that could be marketed to discerning tourists from Japan and the States. Aussie only, selling genuine high end items, particularly gemstones and fashion. Made a fortune.

  188. Ellie

    I went through a lefty phase at one point. I marched across Sydney harbour bridge and said ‘sorry’. Nothing has changed. Those that turned their back on Rudd in parliament have raised children to hate us. And the professional activists feed off them.

  189. Struth

    Yes. The Beloved was heavily involved in this. There was a niche to be exploited – a business not aligned with the usual suspects that could be marketed to discerning tourists from Japan and the States. Aussie only, selling genuine high end items, particularly gemstones and fashion. Made a fortune.

    That would have been group work.

  190. Mater

    It would be interesting to have the real impact figures on tourists from Mainland China. A Chinese mate of mine works as a driver for them. He said just about all their spending goes back to China. He only takes them to Chinese owned Duty Free, Chinese restaurants and he assured me that the hotel was Chinese owned.

    A year or two ago, I spoke to a high end jewellery and gemstone retailer, who told me that the Chinese went from being his best customers, to nought, almost over night. I give no assurances as to the validity of his reasoning, but he said that the Chinese government seriously curtailed the amount of money that the tourist could take out of the country. They had enough to do the tours and participate in a few rides, but serious spending, on luxury items, was really hobbled. He felt it, and subsequently concentrated on other demographics.

  191. Cassie of Sydney

    I am having problems embedding!

  192. Dr Faustus

    Taking the knee is, and always had been, a gesture of submission.

    Indeed.

    Justin Trudeau took a knee in solidarity with demonstrators at an anti-racism protest in Ottawa on Friday. Wearing a black cloth mask, the Canadian prime minister kneeled after protesters asked him to.

    Nobody more reflexively gestural than our Justin…

  193. Cassie of Sydney

    “Ellie
    #3476199, posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:04 am
    I went through a lefty phase at one point. I marched across Sydney harbour bridge and said ‘sorry’. Nothing has changed. Those that turned their back on Rudd in parliament have raised children to hate us. And the professional activists feed off them.”

    Liberty quote Ellie.

  194. Farmer Gez

    Which one of the four cake shops is it? Hope it is not Monarch’s.

    Never ask me to remember stuff like that vr, I’m useless.

  195. calli

    Yes, and individuals by appointment. Ring the bell/airlock type stuff. Takes a while to build as does all boutique word-of-mouth stuff, with very carefully directed advertising.

  196. Struth

    I used to tell my tourists to be prepared for battle at the breakfast buffet if there were Asian groups in the hotel.
    The buggers would still be half asleep or politely waiting and chatting while a horde of foot lower humans devoured all before them.
    Look down and find there’s two more in front of you than there were a second ago.

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