I’m here to help

 
When the ADF’s top brass isn’t spending 640,000 of your dollars on ‘gender reassignment’ surgery, dispatching personnel to $12,000-a-pop Gender Peace and Security courses to make them “gender sensitive, gender inclusive and gender responsive,” sending troops to march in the Mardi Gras (a “new tradition,” the AWM called it, as though Jacka VC himself would approve) or ratting out commandos who fight in actual battles in real wars to the ABC, it’s doing this: conducting a “Women in Combat” seminar on why and how women are different to men. Under orders from feminists, Defence chiefs want to assist women more successfully pretend to be soldiers. This will ensure they’re ready for all the combat they’ll never see. To assist our brave but indistinguishable men and women in uniform, I disinterestedly selected a random internet lady to exemplify what a woman is (right).

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84 Responses to I’m here to help

  1. MPH

    Boomers have ruined this country, and the English speaking world, with their genuflucting to females at every opportunity. Shame, shame, shame.

  2. Miltonf

    Wouldn’t expect anything else from the parasite robber state that is canbra

  3. Chris M

    I saw the outrageous outage in the media and they showed one slide… which made complete sense and wasn’t outrageously outrageous at all? Just describing some male vs female physical design differences, seemed fine.

  4. Arky

    Couldn’t you have picked a non fat example of a woman?

  5. notafan

    Smashing in hot pink

  6. Bruce in WA

    Boomers have ruined this country, and the English speaking world, with their genuflucting to females at every opportunity. Shame, shame, shame.

    Fuck off!!

  7. Crossie

    Arky
    #3479148, posted on June 8, 2020 at 10:25 pm
    Couldn’t you have picked a non fat example of a woman?

    You do know that Twiggy (not Forest) is not the perfect female shape, don’t you?

  8. Pete of Perth

    Monty Python camp drill

  9. sfw

    Eventually reality meets fantasy, just hope that when it does it’s not in a serious fight.

  10. Tom

    CL, it’s so touching that you’re still besotted with Nigella Lawson (as I was with Patty Duke as a boy), even though she’s just turned 60.

  11. SABB

    Before we place females in the combat arms we should do the following:
    – Create one team in each of the NRL and Rugby that is 50% male and 50% female at all times.
    – Let them play under the existing rules.
    – Since coming second in combat usually has dire consequences, they have to win or draw in all matches.

  12. rickw

    Their first taste of real combat is going to be a huge reality check, paid in blood.

  13. 132andBush

    Couldn’t you have picked a non fat example of a woman?

    Girls gotta have curves, Arky.

  14. Entropy

    Bruce in WA
    #3479230, posted on June 9, 2020 at 12:43 am
    Boomers have ruined this country, and the English speaking world, with their genuflucting to females at every opportunity. Shame, shame, shame.

    Fuck off

    Console yourself with the fact that we younger generations will be the ones that have to pay.

  15. Boomers have ruined this country, and the English speaking world, with their genuflucting to females at every opportunity. Shame, shame, shame.

    Who are the ones demanding all of this? Boomers are acquiescing to the demands of the younger generation so that they can have the future world they dream of living in and not one where there are only two genders etc.

    Boomers are ensuring that the dreams of future generations are not stymied by their old fashioned ways of thinking about life, work, family and responsibility. If Boomers didn’t go along with these demands, they’d be accused of everything new under the sun (as they are already).

    Get used to it, you are the one’s that want this sort of thing.

  16. Regarding GIRLS IN INFANTRY ARMOUR ARTILLERY ENGINEERS etc:

    “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.”

    President Franklin D. Roosevelt

    And guess who in our army needs help even changing truck tyres?

  17. Yarpos

    The ADF also funds gender reassignment surgery for staff from foreign services who decide it would be nice to “transition” once in OZ. Defence money so well spent.

  18. Iampeter

    Obligatory supporters of religious conservatives aren’t in a position to try and mock anyone for their beliefs post.
    Although this is just a microcosm example of the state of conservatism in general.

  19. Leo G

    Obligatory supporters of religious conservatives aren’t in a position to try and mock anyone for their beliefs post.

    Although this is just a microcosm example of the state of iampeter in general.

  20. H B Bear

    At least when the West loses we will know why. Allah Akbar.

  21. H B Bear

    Oops into moderation for a muzzy word. Not a good start.

  22. Tim Neilson

    Iampeter
    #3479349, posted on June 9, 2020 at 8:21 am

    Poor old zero facts/zero logic Iamashiteater strikes again.

    After having his bottom spanked so humiliatingly on this issue a few threads ago he isn’t even going through the motions of alluding to any kind of argument – but he just has to display his conceited, ignorant prejudices for all to see.

  23. Professor Fred Lenin

    Gender ? There are two ,Male and Female ,next question?

  24. Perfesser

    See the first post here! 👨 🍆 👩 🐱

  25. cuckoo

    Couldn’t you have picked a non fat example of a woman?

    My seconds will call upon you presently, sir. As the challenged party, you will have choice of weapons.

  26. cuckoo

    Perhaps CL was gratified to see that in a recent melee with “peaceful protesters” in London, the only mounted copper to fall off their horse was…a woman.

  27. cuckoo

    I remember CL’s comment from some time ago that ADF recruiting ads these days look like tampon commercials. Still true.

  28. MACK

    This blog site would be a lot better with more pictures.

  29. Rex Anger

    Obligatory supporters of religious conservatives aren’t in a position to try and mock anyone for their beliefs post.
    Although this is just a microcosm example of the state of conservatism in general.

    This thread has nothing to do with -isms, Dafydd. It is a policy eruption borne of utter ignorance of military reality by political activists and their uniformed minions.

    It is ignorance of military reality because the policies currently in place aim to break otherwise capable and useful female soldiers on the altar of the Narrative, by trying to shoehorn them into Arms Corps roles to which they are often physically unsuited. As are a great many potential male recruits and otherwise useful soldiers.

    It further ignores reality, as all non-Arms Corps troops are equally at risk of death, maiming etc. from enemy action. Medics, sappers in Construction Regiments, signallers, Military Police, Artillery CP operators etc. still get bombed, strafed, raided by SF troops, mortared, etc. They can just as easily end up in blazing firefights for their lives while in the midst of an utterly ordinary construction or traffic contro or convoy tasking.

    Comabt experience in the last 30-40 years shows that insurgents and smart militaries prefer to avoid hitting combat units directly. They much prefer going for the ‘softer’ logistics train. Funnily enough, a place where a majority of female troops may be found.

    ‘Women on the Front Line’ is a misnomer at best, and a cruel and service-demeaning lie at worst. A Front Line is a map graphic that moves. Not some bleak visualisation of mud l, shell craters and concrete bunkers.

    So, take your ‘consistently rational’ positions and Moby off and thought-police people somewhere else. There’s a good little commissar…

  30. H B Bear

    Out of moderation. Woo hoo. Thanks Snic.

  31. HT

    I spent 40 years serving in Army/Defence. Not the only factor, but a not insignificant reason I retired early was the preferential treatment females began to receive in every aspect of recruitment, training and “good” opportunities: all went to females irrespective of merit. Females also took all the rotation postings (“sweet“ jobs, if you like) where the male servicemen could rebuild / refresh after stressful operational roles prior reposting into hardcore operational roles. It was a way to extend the useful “life” of a serviceman, a return on investment, if you like. The result was more males got burned out more quickly.

    This politically correct bullshit is destroying the effectiveness of the ADF in fundamental ways. The ADF is supposed to be a force for good, to fight and win. It’s now a government virtue signaling shop window.

  32. C.L.

    Couldn’t you have picked a non fat example of a woman?

    How dare you, Ark!
    She is perfect.

  33. HT and Rex, great posts, consider some guest blogging.

  34. stackja

    Enemy armies would like to face women in battle. Imperial Japanese “liked” nurses.

  35. flyingduk

    100% agree HT… I have 20years as a reservist, including 7 deployments, but i no longer trust the ADF to prioritise the fight over the feels.

  36. C.L.

    Thanks for the expert inside view, HT.
    Much appreciated.

  37. Roger

    This politically correct bullshit is destroying the effectiveness of the ADF in fundamental ways.

    Several studies have shown that the presence of women in combat units reduces the unit’s effectiveness as male soldiers instinctively look out for the safety of the females instead of focusing all their attention on their given tasks.

  38. Bronson

    Isn’t the ADF there to kill the enemy? If it doesn’t or can’t do that then what is it?

  39. jupes

    The Department said its key focus for improving gender balance was “to ensure we are building Defence’s capability and our operational effectiveness”.

    You can have gender balance or operational effectiveness. Not both.

    ADF leadership have made the extremely stupid and cowardly choice.

  40. jupes

    Isn’t the ADF there to kill the enemy?

    No. It is there to be nice. According to the Chief of the ADF:

    As soldiers our purpose is to serve the state, employing violence with humility always and compassion wherever possible.

  41. stemple

    How many men will die in pursuit of these idiot intersectional ideals

  42. billie

    Nigella?

    A Goddess

    she is what she is

  43. tombell

    the Yazidi women seem to do a good job in combat.

  44. Iampeter

    This thread has nothing to do with -isms, Dafydd.

    Yes. That’s what I was saying.
    You guys want to discuss a technical issue that your fundamentals prevent you from discussing.
    The rest of your post doesn’t matter if you can’t also say reject religious conservatism, for example.

    Not the only factor, but a not insignificant reason I retired early was the preferential treatment females began to receive in every aspect of recruitment, training and “good” opportunities: all went to females irrespective of merit.

    Sadly Western armed military forces have been suffering ideologically way before women in preferential roles became an issue. Remember that collectively the West has not won a single conflict since Japan. We worse than lost in Europe, our people actually died helping commies.
    We haven’t had leadership concerned with crushing the enemy in the most efficient way possible for over a century now.
    So it’s a bit late in the game to start raising concerns when our troops are being trained to go into battle wearing high heels or something. This crap is a long time coming and all the ones raising concerns now were the same ones that would’ve shouted you down for disrespecting the troops, or something similar.

  45. Helen

    Sorry to let you know, Tom, but Patty Duke is not in the building. From your wiki link

    Duke died on the morning of March 29, 2016,[53] in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho of sepsis from a ruptured intestine at the age of 69.[54]

  46. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    employing violence with humility always

    Wow. These embarrassing imbeciles really have completely lost it.

  47. Tim Neilson

    You guys want to discuss a technical issue that your fundamentals prevent you from discussing.

    Utterly and totally 100% wrong. As usual. You might as well say that someone can’t comment on a technical issue to do with electrical engineering unless they subscribe to whatever abstract ideology you’re peddling.

    The rest of your post doesn’t matter if you can’t also say reject religious conservatism, for example.

    This is again just evidence of your brain-damaged stupidity, as well as your conceit and ignorance. You’re simply too conceited, ignorant and stupid to understand that different issues should be evaluated with different intellectual tools, e.g. the scientific method is useless for ascertaining the truth of most religious beliefs but is excellent for determining questions as to how the physical world works. If you were capable of thinking beyond cartoon like binary absolutist dogmatism, you’d understand that questions of the simple operation of the physical world don’t require adherence to any particular ideology of abstract epistemology.

  48. Rex Anger

    This thread has nothing to do with -isms, Dafydd.

    Yes. That’s what I was saying

    Was it? It sounded like you screeching “Youze is all invalid cos youze God-bovverers or sumfink!” As if it has any relevance to the matter.

    Remember that collectively the West has not won a single conflict since Japan. We worse than lost in Europe, our people actually died helping commies.

    Incorrect. Australian and UK servicemen who served in Malaya and Borneo, the IDF and its predecessors from 1948 onwards, UK troops who served in the Falklands in 1982, US troops from Grenada, Panama, Desert Storm and OIF etc. might disagree with your absolutisms there, Dafydd.


    We haven’t had leadership concerned with crushing the enemy in the most efficient way possible for over a century now.

    Further incorrect. The ADF has long been well-served with fighting commanders. The rot currently seen is the result of all Army officers over the rank of Brigadier and their joint-Service equivalents having come up in the hyper-political environment of the peacetime services. Particularly the 1980s, when successive leftist governments chose to wither the ADF on the myth of having gained a ‘peace dividend’ post-Vietnam. The ADF has actually been on a continuous war footing since East Timor in 1999. At least 2 generations of common sense and military ability have been somewhat squandered by Labor governments pursuing ideology, and Peacetime Generals who refuse to countenance that reality interferes.with their little.pet.projects. The convulsions have been felt at every level, from dodgy procurements to idiot policies like beret bans and the current obsession with sex, race and creed.

    And don’t dare to presume to tell.me otherwise. I served under it. While I doubt you have so much as served dinner in your entire life to this point.

    So it’s a bit late in the game to start raising concerns when our troops are being trained to go into battle wearing high heels or something.

    Hyperbole, Dafydd. One humiliating publicity stunt does not a reality make.

    I now understand why you find calling people illiterate so addictive, Petey. But in this case, you are truly, appallingly ignorant. Stick to abusing us about your philosophy. You might last longer.

    Now hurry up and belch out your No, U!. I have a day to get on with.

  49. Several studies have shown that the presence of women in combat units reduces the unit’s effectiveness as male soldiers instinctively look out for the safety of the females instead of focusing all their attention on their given tasks.

    I suspect that it will be a different case when they field blokes pretending to be sheilas, ‘Mate, just run out there and see if there’s any bad guys around.’

  50. Tim Neilson

    Iampeter
    #3479736, posted on June 9, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    [Cat commenter]: “Hey, Iamashiteater, don’t step in that dog turd”
    [Iamashiteater]: “I’m not listening to you, you’re disqualified from talking about the physical world because of your religious views..” SQUISH!

  51. cuckoo

    How dare you, Ark!
    She is perfect.

    And if you’ve seen her recently, she has trimmed down considerably since that photo. Not that I mind either way.

  52. Iampeter

    And don’t dare to presume to tell.me otherwise. I served under it. While I doubt you have so much as served dinner in your entire life to this point.

    You’re a raving crackpot who has no idea what he is talking about. I’ll presume to tell you anything, thanks.

    I now understand why you find calling people illiterate so addictive, Petey.

    Um, this means you don’t understand what’s mean when someone calls you “politically illiterate.” This is unsurprising given the whole “crackpot who has no idea what he is talking about” thing.

  53. Rex Anger

    You’re a raving crackpot who has no idea what he is talking about. I’ll presume to tell you anything, thanks.

    I served in the Australian Army from 2006 to 2012, champ. At the height of the mismanagement and stupidity of the Rudd-Gillard years. I speak from experience. You don’t.. Try harder, Petey. Try much, much harder.

    And as far as the personal insult of ‘crackpot’ goes, you are now projecting onto me.

    Honk honk, baby…

  54. Megan

    the Yazidi women seem to do a good job in combat.

    As do those in the IDF. When I did my field work training in a pilot program in the reserves we were very clearly told on a regular basis to expect no special treatment. The 20 women did not expect it amd we worked as long and as hard as the blokes to learn and get things done.

    This BS is a totally, modern, weak western woke narrative and I, for one, am thoroughly sick of it. It makes me feel like my efforts to make a difference and serve my country in some small way were wasted.

    I have never wanted to be given a role based on my biology. I want to get there because I have the skills and ability to do the job well.

    Those Israeli female soldiers are awesome. Let’s hope we never have to face the reality of an implacable enemy, because whether you are XX or XY won’t make any difference across the battle lines.

  55. Rex Anger

    6 years in the Royal Australian Armoured Corps, at the height of the Rudd-Gillard years of mismanagement, incompetence and politicisation tends to strongly disgree with your assertions there, Petey.

    Given that you have, unprovoked, skipped straight to personal venom, I accept your capitulation on behalf of all the other Cats involved in this thread and sincerely hope you have a nice day.

  56. Ivan Pickemoff

    Is English cooking woman good ,is keeping you warm in Russian winter and cook good food perfect woman for cold weather skinny woman no good .

  57. notafan

    Yadizi women are usually snipers and I doubt very much they do very well in close up and personal.

    IDF females are iirc protected as well.

    I personally think men are bigger and stronger than women.

  58. Ivan Pickemoff

    In Great Pstriotic War Red Army have many womans is best smiper kill many fascist German socialist ,German socialist is very racist is same as antifa fascist socialist,need Red Army woman sniper take out some to stop silly riot must be firm when handle fascist socialist .gun and gulag fix .

  59. Iampeter

    @Rex Anger – so bereft of any argument, and not really even clear what you are arguing about at this point, you’re going to appeal to authority? That makes sense.

  60. Rex Anger


    @Rex Anger – so bereft of any argument, and not really even clear what you are arguing about at this point, you’re going to appeal to authority?

    What are you on about petey? You declared with absolute conviction I knew nothing about what I was saying. I pointed out I had direct, lived experience. And I refuted every marxist talking point you spouted. You called me a crackpot by way of reply, so I assume you have nothing else to say on the matter. Please try to keep up…

  61. jupes

    Remember that collectively the West has not won a single conflict since Japan.

    Malaya, Borneo, Grenada and Gulf War 1 were victories.

  62. Ian of Brisbane

    What we desperately need is a conservative government. They would stop this nonsense.

  63. jupes

    the Yazidi women seem to do a good job in combat.

    They are very successful as a propaganda unit. I doubt their real effectiveness in combat.

    As do those in the IDF

    Due to a court decision in the early 1990s, the IDF have been compelled to allow women to serve in combat units. To accommodate this, they have designated four mixed gender infantry units. These units have an operational role patrolling the Sinai border and (I believe) the border with Jordan.

    They are not involved in combat in Gaza, Lebanon or Syria. Male only units are given that role.

    Let’s hope we never have to face the reality of an implacable enemy, because whether you are XX or XY won’t make any difference across the battle lines.

    Not true. It would make a huge difference. The more XX, the more chance of losing.

  64. Megan

    IDF women are represented in all border patrol battalions plus the Caracal Infantry battalion is majority female. 50% of captains and majors across the board are women. There are limitations to frontline combat roles as a consequence of protecting Orthodox religious beliefs regarding women doing National Service.

    We do not understand the reality of war or invasion in this country and what it requires to fight. I’d rather be trained than not if it ever came to that, and I don’t want any special treatment when I’m trained. However, if the special treatment we are meting out in the current ADF is any indication, we will be in even bigger trouble when we have no choice but to fight.

  65. jupes

    IDF women are represented in all border patrol battalions plus the Caracal Infantry battalion is majority female.

    So we are in furious agreement. BTW the Caracal battalion is one of those border patrol battalians.

    There are limitations to frontline combat roles as a consequence of protecting Orthodox religious beliefs regarding women doing National Service.

    Much more important is the loss of combat capability that females bring with them. We can all pretend that they are equal to men, but that isn’t going to win the next battle.

    We do not understand the reality of war or invasion in this country and what it requires to fight.

    Some of us do, but no one in the top brass of the ADF that’s for sure.

    However, if the special treatment we are meting out in the current ADF is any indication, we will be in even bigger trouble when we have no choice but to fight.

    Spot on Megan. There should be an inquiry into the damage these clowns are doing rather than persecute the SF diggers from Afghanistan.

  66. Rex Anger

    @ Megan- Your attitude matches that of the female soldiers I knew and worked with. Everyone fought. Particularly in the Armoured units, where a female tanker or stores truck driver or spanner or sig was expected.to be as good a shot and field soldier as the Scouts pr PMV crews. They had to be- A1 echelons are as likely to get into a fight as they vehicles and recce scouts they support.

    I had no problem with the people I worked with, male or female. So long as they knew their job, did it to the best of their ability and looked after their mates. And I am proud to say I recall very few who did not do just that.

  67. jupes

    Everyone fought.

    Fought who?

    Particularly in the Armoured units, where a female tanker or stores truck driver or spanner or sig was expected.to be as good a shot and field soldier as the Scouts pr PMV crews.

    Then why did females have different fitness standards to men?

    They had to be- A1 echelons are as likely to get into a fight as they vehicles and recce scouts they support.

    Wishing it so does not make it so.

    I had no problem with the people I worked with, male or female. So long as they knew their job, did it to the best of their ability and looked after their mates. And I am proud to say I recall very few who did not do just that.

    When females first started joint training with males, the army was told that there would be no lowering of standards or double standards. All bollocks of course and they did both from the get-go. Since then, standards have been continually lowered to accomodate females.

    Rex I have to say, I find your attitude no better than that of the top brass. Have a look at the stats at the Bernard Gaynor link above. Wishful thinking doesn’t beat reality.

  68. Squirrel

    I’m reminded of this exchange from The West Wing episode Twenty Hours in America –

    “Leo: It’s not just a cooking show, all right. It’s very relaxing. The woman is sublime.

    Margaret: If you ask me, it’s soft porn. No one needs to massage garlic oil into a leg of lamb that much…”

    I’m with Leo.

  69. Rex Anger

    Jupes- All I have to work on here is personal experience in a Reservist field and barracks environment. You are most free to disapprove.

    The everyone fought is an ethos and attitude in this instance. Please also remember that the Australian Army has a cultural standard of ‘Every soldier an expert in close combat.’ In practice, this means all members need to be proficient in shooting, patrolling, fighting tactics, etc. Everyone learns infantry minor tactics. Then learns their actual job. The infantry do it the best because that is all they do, to the point of mastery. The standards for shooting are only mildly less for non-Arms Corps, but I noted that some of the best shots I ever observed were ‘pogues.’

    Are you aware of what an A1 echelon is? If not, I apologise for dropping into terminology without explanation. A1 echelons are the first line of resupply in an Armoured unit. The idea is to have a ready resupply and repair element for fuelling, ammunition, water and food replenishment and very minor repairs (e.g. swap an MG or a radio antenna, etc.). They are always kept close to the forward elements to make resupply swift. You might expect to use them every 24-36 hours, depending on task and resource use.

    As I had said previously, operational experience shows that smart militaries and insurgent groups prefer to hit elements like these over actual fighting troops. So stores and fuel truckies and so forth who get surprised in the middle of a resupply are obliged to defend themselves as much as the fighting troops they are supporting.

    I was also very aware of the physical standards- I recall most female soldiers I knew met or exceeded them.

    Granted, they were not humping pack and freezing their backsides off in OPs or patrol tasks with me- That has been a development since after I discharged. I will not speak to that.

    For the roles they did, they did perfectly OK. But I will concede that Section Attacks with female troops were slower. And occasionally messier…

  70. Iampeter

    Thanks Rex, for proving my point from my very first post in this thread so thoroughly.
    Although you’ve taken oblivious self contradiction to levels even I didn’t imagine at the time of making my post. Also, did you even read anything that Jupes said before responding?

    Tim N, Kneel, Dover, Arky, et al, you guys have some serious new competition here.

  71. Rex Anger

    Voetsek Petey. If I wanted your opinion on the matter, I’d have insulted you directly.

    Your initial blow-in and subsequent dung-slinging has added nothing to this discussion.

  72. jupes

    For the roles they did, they did perfectly OK. But I will concede that Section Attacks with female troops were slower. And occasionally messier…

    Just some of the problems with female soldiers:

    Team bonding. Men bond as a group. Women and men bond in pairs. Men and women will be distracted from their task by sex, especially when young. Relationships will form and break up. Teams will fracture. Homogeneity is a strength, diversity is a weakness or neutral at best. Morale wins more battles than equipment but women destroy morale.

    Strength and fitness. Most army corps have different fitness standards for females to do the same job as men. Under direction from ADF leaders, combat corps have supposedly applied the same physical tests for males and females. See Bernard Gaynor’s stats above to see how that is working out.
    Nevertheless, even if the same test is applied, it doesn’t account for actual contact with the enemy. Note that females in the army are too frail to play contact sport against men, however can supposedly engage them in hand to hand combat.

    Anatomy and physiology. Women’s bodies are different so they are much more prone to injury when carrying out standard infantry tasks. The broken bodies also lead to much higher discharge rates.

    Violence against women. ADF leadership is a big supporter of ‘White Ribbon Day’. These same clowns who advocate that any physical attack on women is a crime, also reckon that it is a great thing for females to be ordered to assault a machine gun and / or engage in bayonet fighting and hand to hand combat.

    Ethics. Which leads me to the last point. It is just wrong to send women into violent situations. It is our duty as men to protect them, not send them off to war. Our political and military leadership are nothing short of immoral self-servers not only putting women, but the entire nation in danger, due to the loss of combat capability that female soldiers present.

  73. Megan

    My Reserve training was so long ago that none of the first four elements you listed, Jupes, came into any sort of consideration. Not for us, not for the senior officers running the program. I did the exact same program as the men over the two years. We were given no free rides. None of us were injured or failed to pull our weight, the group bonded more by platoon, than by gender, and I developed people management skills that have lasted and been pivotal to success in my career.

    I agree that the ethical elements were considered, discussed and it was clear that whilst women might very well be assigned combat support roles it was unlikely in the short or long term that front line roles would ever be an option for women because of the ethics. I am totally opposed to special treatment for females. If you can meet the requirements then go for it, but don’t give us an easy ride because GIRL.

  74. Rex Anger

    @Jupes.

    No contentions with anything you’ve said. Please understand I also have a little tribalism to contend with here- Because I do not know your background, or if you have been a soldier yourself, I struggle to consider your otherwise well-intentioned comments as an outsider. It is easy to assume that you’re dismissing the female troops I worked with, and their otherwise excellent performances within their roles and limitations, as well as dismissing me for saying something other than the post presented.

    None of the females I knew wanted to be Cavalry Scouts, or grunts etc. They saw how flogged out we got even in a benign training environment, and were happy doing their own things. One anecdote from a truckie I knew who had gone Regs and posted into Darwin, was a big full-brigade parade where this whole shemozzle was first officially introduced. About 2010-11 or so. The Brigadier put out an open invitation for any female soldier who wanted into the Infantry Corps to come forward. Every female Sapper, Signaller, Driver, Clerk, Cook and Medic on that parade looked at each other and stayed put. There’s a real vote of confidence from the Rabk and File right there… 😉

    The stats on the ladies broken at Singleton disgust me. They could have done well anywhere they wanted. But the system broke them because of the Narrative. I am personally unsure how well any will do in Reg and Reserve Armour in the long term- You lift and move heavy items into and out of weird spaces day in and out. Even if you have a vehicle doing your marching for you. And that’s before you look into the challenges facing dismounts.

  75. jupes

    I agree that the ethical elements were considered, discussed and it was clear that whilst women might very well be assigned combat support roles it was unlikely in the short or long term that front line roles would ever be an option for women because of the ethics.

    And yet here we are.

    That is how it was done. By increments. And at every stage not one person stood up for what was right.

  76. jupes

    It is easy to assume that you’re dismissing the female troops I worked with, and their otherwise excellent performances within their roles and limitations, as well as dismissing me for saying something other than the post presented.

    I am on both counts.

    I have no tolerance for anecdotes about how well females do in the army. I remember the time when joint training was introduced into the army. There would be no lowering of standards they said, there would be no double standards they said, there would never be women in combat they said.

    All bollocks of course. The ADF’s focus on female recruitment and promotion with all the baggage that entails, has lowered the army’s combat capability to such an extent, that it can no longer fulfill its duty to defend this country.

  77. Rex Anger

    And did you serve yourself?

  78. Rex Anger

    Actually, you know what? The last question doesn’t matter. You have said your piece, I said mine.

    I do actually agree with you that capability has been eroded seriously in the name of something that has already stopped mattering to the idelogues that have pushed it. How the matter can be effectively reversed, I do not know.

    But we so far lack a Minister and replacement Public Servants with the outlook, focus and intestinal fortitude to fix things. From crappy and politicised procurement to inappropriate fixations with race and sex. Can I vote for you?

  79. jupes

    How the matter can be effectively reversed, I do not know.

    I reckon it is so far gone, the only way to do it is to start again.

    Leave the current army in place but stop recruiting women. The new male only recruits would join a separate / new army under its own, carefully selected, non-gay command. As the new force grows, it would gradually replace the old army as that force withered without any new recruits.

    We just need to hope that the Chicoms or RoP don’t get too belligerent in the mean time.

    All fantasy of course. The current political leadership are more concerned with increasing and promoting females in the ADF and issues such as sexual harassment than it is in actually defending the country.

  80. Rex Anger

    Shame nobody’s brave enough to sack Generals any more. Suspect that is the same Peacetime mentality of ‘not rocking the boat in order to get promoted’ in play. And you’re right that the political masters don’t help matters.

    After all, the people in charge would have no issue at all in sacking field-grade officers for any number of misdemeanours, let alone failing to do their job and fight the enemy…

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