Another billion dollar bandaid for expensive and unreliable energy

Propping up the wind experiment in South Australia (the State of Darkness). Perhaps a day of reckoning will come when the general public find out what is going on.

Why do so few see the enormous subsidy cost of keeping the South Australian electricity experiment alive?

Having got too much intermittent, unreliable electricity, the state is still in danger of another statewide blackout. One third of the solar panels on homes are being switched off automatically because the electricity they provide is not just useless, but dangerous. What the state needs is baseload power, but the solution we’re told is to spend another incredible $1.5billion dollars on an interconnector with NSW, presumably so SA gets a lifeline to the reliable coal power in Queensland.

That’s a $1,500,000,000 repair bill for an unreliable system that cost a fortune to build, but is unsustainable without a giant bandaid.

Early this morning SA was importing a quarter of its power from over the border.

Bonus. I’m White and sorry.

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51 Responses to Another billion dollar bandaid for expensive and unreliable energy

  1. Mak Siccar

    And which political party is in power in SA? Both major parties are as bad as each other.

  2. Entropy

    What happens to SA if a future Queensland Government decides to accelerate its economy by exiting the NEM, stop sending power south and not forcing its businesses and families to pay the national price for electricity?

    Would it be accused of unconstitutionally preventing interstate trade?
    Would the loss of revenue to the State Government’ GOCs offset the economic boost of lower electricity prices?

  3. duncanm

    .. where are the adults in the room?

    Here’s the opposition:

    Opposition energy spokesman Tom Koutsantonis said many SA households invested in solar panels in good faith and faced having them switched off.

    “This is a missed opportunity to store excess energy in batteries or pumped hydro or hydrogen or the energy could be purposed for heavy industries,” he said.

    The stupid, it burns.

  4. Mark M

    The Green Grifter, Simon Holmes à Court, has been working on this, and has now announced it’s open:

    https://opennem.org.au/energy/nem

  5. John Bayley

    What happens to SA if a future Queensland Government decides to accelerate its economy by exiting the NEM, stop sending power south and not forcing its businesses and families to pay the national price for electricity?

    Not going to happen.

    The Qld government is making a fortune on sending coal power to our green-infected southern neighbours.

    Not satisfied with that though, the central planners in Brisbane fully intend to turn us into another South Australia as soon as possible. We’re already ‘The Sunshine State’, so according to them it’s real easy to turn us into ‘The Solar State’.

    And, surprising no one, the Qld LNP is fully on board with this.
    This is one of the many reasons why Labor will win in October.

    Put differently, the entire country is utterly f8cked and we do need a nice, long, nation-wide blackout in order to, maybe, wake up.

    And even then I would not bet on it happening (the ‘waking up’ rather than ‘being woke’).

  6. min

    Rafe I am sure you send this information to politicians I do also and I just don’t think it registers . I know some well enough to get a kiss on meeting, not these days of course, whether read and registered what I send but get a reply not automated . I am hoping that the economy is going to tank so much that they are going to have to cut expenditure on this sort of extravagant dream that is becoming a nightmare.
    One of my contacts is in control of the money in one sense who would be desperate not to add to the debt so are they so afraid of the left side of politics ? I am just wondering that they have so much to read that the minders read and highlight what they think is important and pollies only read highlighted bits . When the majority of Australians do not believe climate change is a problem the current research is ignored also.

  7. Shaun

    Is this insanity or what? Spending huge sums of taxpayers money on an interconnecter to shore up the power system, and then shortly in the future when NSW and QLD have gone down the same path and require every bit of electricity for themselves what will SA do? They will spend enormous amounts of taxpayers money building a new power station.

  8. Perfidious Albino

    Here’s an idea, borders closed? Inter connectors off…

  9. Texas Jack

    I’m coming around to the view that the only party that has a chance of changing all of this is the National Party. Crazy? Possibly, but bear with me.

    The Liberals are now so progressive and urban-centric too many of their seats have either a) too many Mosman doctors and their wives, or b) too many Mosman lawyers as members. Their parliamentary ranks have too many Baird’s, and way too many Zimmerman’s. Thus, the thin and unreliable Morrison wedge inside the party plays, like Howard’s wedge in battler areas, a constant pandering act trying to keep these inner urban progressive members comfortable in their seats. It’s the reason why you can have a beer with Angus Taylor and think he’s descended from the same gene pool as Peter Dutton – but once he’s back in his parliamentary suite he’s stuck working to keep Trent Zimmerman and Dave Sharma alive politically. The ABC lingers-on for much the same reason.

    Which brings me back to the National Party.

    The Nats currently have the increasingly viable Shooters, Fishers, and Farmers Party up their derrière the hard way. Sure, they currently hold a tiny scratching on ballots, but they’re a threat and in Eden Monaro they’re about to show just how much. If there are any bright number crunchers in the National Party, and I think Larry Anthony is a nice bloke from a great family, they need to start thinking about it.

    By “start thinking about it” – I mean now.

    I reckon you could poll any street in the country and find that Michael McCormack is as visible as oxygen. For those who claim to know who the leader is the next question should be “can you tell us his party’s policies”? To which the answer, I am happy to wager, will routinely include some lame sop to “lowering carbon emissions” – since it’s on every party flier for every candidate of every mainstream party across the land.

    The point? The Liberal Party obviously cannot govern in their own right, and whatever Morrison’s popularity is right now the Eden-Monaro by-election will remind us all that the National Saviour actually only clings to power by the barest of fingertips. And the Liberals are not likely to be able to govern in their own right for a long time – they’re miles from getting anywhere close. Which means the leader of the National Party holds quite a few important cards – but only if his party is clearly strong.

    Which means McCormack can be the nicest guy in chinos and RM’s who never made a difference, or worse, let the useless Liberal Party let the country roll back on the policies of virtue. The same goes for Littleproud. They’re whitebread wastes of time.

    It’s time to bring Barnaby back from purgatory. His colour and demeanour are advantages. And he’s a known fighter. He could make all the difference.

  10. Roger

    What happens to SA if a future Queensland Government decides to accelerate its economy by exiting the NEM, stop sending power south and not forcing its businesses and families to pay the national price for electricity?

    Will never happen, even if constitutionally possible.

    QLD is going to ruinables.

    The only difference btween the two major parties is over how quickly it happens.

    Oh, but we’ll keep exporting coal to Japan et. al. because otherwise we’d be very quickly broke.

    We are governed by idiots.

  11. Mark M

    The Siren Song that Never Ends –
    Federal Energy Subsidies and Support from 2010 to 2019

    https://files.texaspolicy.com/uploads/2020/04/23135621/Bennett-LP-Federal-Energy-Subsidies.pdf

    Applying the EIA’s methodology with a few modifications, this analysis finds that cumulative energy subsidies from 2010 to 2019 for solar, wind, oil and gas, and coal have been $34 billion, $37 billion, $25 billion, and $13 billion, respectively.
    Nuclear has received about $15 billion, and hydropower and geothermal have each received around $1.4 billion.
    Arguments over whether wind and solar or fossil fuels receive more federal subsidies are of little value.

  12. John

    Rafe I am sure you send this information to politicians I do also and I just don’t think it registers .

    It clearly doesn’t, min.
    The release of a Michael Moore’s latest doco should have brought all of this to a sudden stop. But it didn’t.

    As the former CEO of AEMO said:

    In the end the system must collapse…

  13. wal1957

    But wind is free, the sun is free. Renewables are going to make electricity for the consumer so cheap.

    That is all the plebs see or hear. Their ABC, SBS and the MSM constantly blather on about it, and our politicians (with a couple of exceptions) go along with this charade.
    We have been told for years that renewables will reduce the price of electricity but the reality is obvious.
    I remember an article in a SA newspaper stating that by 2021 SA will have the cheapest electricity in the nation. haha bloody ha

    This is the greatest CON in history.

  14. H B Bear

    Time for a new licence plate:

    Mainland Tasmania- the Mendicant State

    to remind them all daily.

    (Or Mainland Tasmania – Home of your GST)

    Note: This is not intended to insult our Tasmanian friends who have been impoverished by their own and Commonwealth policies. I would eliminate that State entirely.

  15. sfw

    My wife wanted panels and I’m a softy so we got them three years ago, I think it’s around 5kw system. In summer it isn’t bad and we use our washing machine etc during the day. But winter it’s a waste. Here is my latest bill, read and weep. I’ll never get my money back, sucked in again.

    New charges and credits. Usage and supply charges Units Price Amount Peak 817.268kWh $0.4455 $364.09 Off peak 1268.852kWh $0.2497 $316.82 Supply charge 31 days $1.3827 $42.86 Total charges + $723.77 Credits Standard Feed-in Tariff* 40.379kWh $0.12 $4.85cr Total credits – $4.85cr Total new charges and credits = $718.92 Total GST included in new charges and credits $65.80 Total due = $718.92 (includes GST) Discounted amount if paid by due date = $439.75 (includes $279.17 Pay on Time Discount)

  16. Yarpos

    Thus otoject has pretty much nothing to do with QLD power omports, thats jus oarochial nonsense. People greatly oversetimate power transmission eg Tassie being ” the battery of the nation” when its more like the battery of Sth East VIC.

    The clowns in SA are already talking about ramping up so they can dump more excess intermittent power into NSW as VIC has a 600MW limit (approx) Good luck Western NSW, in the end it will be once again expensive and ineffective.

  17. min

    John I-sent Michael Moore’s documentary to politicians including Josh with suggestions of how to save expenditure. I just aonder what goes on in a Cabinet meeting.

  18. Boambee John

    Entropy
    #3490577, posted on June 20, 2020 at 7:11 am
    What happens to SA if a future Queensland Government decides to accelerate its economy by exiting the NEM, stop sending power south and not forcing its businesses and families to pay the national price for electricity?

    Would it be accused of unconstitutionally preventing interstate trade?
    Would the loss of revenue to the State Government’ GOCs offset the economic boost of lower electricity prices?

    More than one way to skin a cat.

    Queensland just sets its interstate price at an unattractive level, say $10,000 per kwh off peak, higher at peak times.

  19. Terry

    Well said Texas Jack.

    Too many Turnbulls, Hewsons, and Photios’s – not enough Craig Kelly’s and Andrew Hastie’s.

    A clever strategist would surmise that ceding inner-city woke electorates infected by “green” ideology is likely to yield far greater gains of working-class, common-sense electorates.

    The Libtards continue to fight Labor over cutting the Greens’ grass. Look around you dopes, there’s a whole uncontested battleground out there; completely vacated by the ALP (and Libs).

  20. “Why do so few see the enormous subsidy cost of keeping the South Australian electricity experiment alive?”

    Painful climate action policies are necessary to eliminate the CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion that is causing atmospheric CO2 to rise.

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/05/18/12479/

  21. John Bayley

    Oh, but we’ll keep exporting coal to Japan et. al. because otherwise we’d be very quickly broke.

    We already are [broke].

    But of course these days, with the Magic Money Tree theory increasingly in vogue, it doesn’t matter, because ‘the government can’t go broke’ thanks to Phil Lowe’s 3D (as in Trillion-Dollar) printer.

    So don’t worry, be happy.
    And make sure you’ve got that ConVid app on your phone. You know, ‘to be safe’.
    Especially now that both Google and Apple have oh-so-kindly pushed it to our ‘smart’ phones – without telling us first.

  22. Terry

    Mark M,

    That is a very loose definition of “subsidies” there.

    Depreciation of assets is a subsidy? That’s the same argument the renewables grifters use here to claim coal is heavily subsidised; or claiming a diesel rebate is a subsidy to farmers.

  23. Ed Case

    If there are any bright number crunchers in the National Party, and I think Larry Anthony is a nice bloke from a great family,

    When Larry Anthony lost Richmond he declared that the National Party would never hold the seat again.
    They won it back 3 years later.

  24. Professor Fred Lenin

    Just because the centre left of the National Green Lieberal Party defeated the green cuommuist left of the party in the last election doesnt mean they will abandon the energy carpetbaggers who promised them a lucrative career after politics ,thei future wealth is at stake . The media obviously favour the communist green leftas they never mention the present government Ithought SA had given up having statepoliticians ,and felt thst was perhaps a good idea ,then these pollir[emaggots crawl out of the mjlga taking the knee to global communist fascism . Wonder how much Soros has invested in the energy scam ,he would be in it up to his ears .

  25. Robbo

    Hey give them a break. After all they are South Australians and isn’t that punishment enough without sinking the boot in even deeper by publicly castigating them over the stupidity of their State Government?

  26. Texas Jack

    Ed Case
    #3490747, posted on June 20, 2020 at 9:59 am
    If there are any bright number crunchers in the National Party, and I think Larry Anthony is a nice bloke from a great family,

    When Larry Anthony lost Richmond he declared that the National Party would never hold the seat again.
    They won it back 3 years later.

    It was a case of faint-praise Ed Case.

  27. miltonf

    I vaguely knew Larry Anthony and thought he seemed pretty good but dynasties don’t work in my opinion.

  28. miltonf

    Why do these scions of great families always study law and commerce instead of science and engineering?

  29. jo

    Rafe, when I opened I’m White and sorry F.U.tube had a popup asking if the video was different to what I normally watched with several different options. Never had that before. Good video. Still white and still not sorry.

  30. Squirrel

    The “how dare you suggest I’m Chinese” hackers should spend their time on more enjoyable stuff like posting selfies and watching porn – we can stuff up our infrastructure without any external assistance.

  31. RobK

    Sfw,
    In order to determine the energy you have self consumed, you need to monitor your inverter kWh output.
    The biggest cost savings are if you can self consume which won’t appear on the billing.

  32. sfw

    I know that Rob I said as much when I wrote about our summer use. However it was a bad investment.

  33. Rockdoctor

    Texas agree but you aren’t going to find any fightback in the Nat’s. I cite the Power Station at Collinsville an Aboriginal Corporation wants to build. No support from the Coalition if anything they have deliberately sat on the proposal.

    Also have a look at Kahn state member for Tamworth and see how left the Nats have gone in NSW. S&F actually hold seats and are a hairs breath off quite a few other National Party seats. The Nats have always been landed gentry and that’s fine but now they seem to have a green tinge so why bother.

  34. Ladyredneck

    A report from the Bald Hills largish windfarm is that one of the blades has sheared off, some days ago, and since that day the whole farm has been stilled. The farm started operating in May 2015.

  35. Tel

    I cite the Power Station at Collinsville an Aboriginal Corporation wants to build.

    I looked that up, they are planning to use coal.

    Dang, there’s a cause we should get behind.

  36. Rockdoctor

    Tel the thing that sticks in my craw is that there is a lot of good coal around Collinsville and even better coal that could be freighted it from 200km down the road that goes to waste because it isn’t metallurgical grade.

  37. Nob

    Black Coal Matters.

    How much better could it get than an Aboriginal Corporation building a Coal-fired Power Station?

  38. Nob

    Meanwhile rural areas are infested by treechangers and handwringers.

    Small farmers who actually have to live off their farms are mostly gone, replaced by bigger but fewer private farmers, big business farmers and hobby farmers, the worst kind.

    Where I grew up, all the remaining private and hobby farmers alike are convinced that fracking is some special poison that is going to ruin “their” water. And they think all gas drilling is fracking and evil.

    They have no idea. Some of them have known me all my life, and I’m the only person they know who has any idea, let alone experience, of actual drilling and fracking, but they turn suspicious and even hostile when I try to explain about “this fracking” .
    You can see their minds closing down when you even demur slightly from the ABC/greenie line.

    And that surely is one reason why the Nats are moving left.

  39. Rockdoctor

    Nob, completely agree. I haven’t been in CSG since 2009 but saw the same. Have been on tenaments where cops have been involved. As for normal coal exploration all the places that I used to drill on recently have jumped on to the organic scam even if they don’t export meat to the EU. Clients rather than quibble just pay out…

  40. Nob

    I had been thinking of one day retiring to the small Victorian town where I still have many friends and relations.

    But recent discussions I’ve had make me think I would be treated as a pariah by many because of my lifetime in drilling and the perfectly logical, evidence led, knowledge and experience informed, but variant opinions I hold.

    Casual chats tend to go like this: they’re gushing about some international travel they did and how enlightening and vibrant etc it is, I say very little but they eventually work out I’ve travelled a lot more than them which has them gushing and thinking I’m cool, and then they ask how could one get a fantastic job like that, I explain, and they desperately start looking for an exit from the conversation, the room, the pub, whatever.

    The braver ones immediately start on “what do you think of This Fracking then? I’m open-minded!”

    And I tell them: if you think it’s a big issue, you’ve already made up your mind. It’s just one of many drilling and completion techniques and there’s no reason why it should affect anyone at surface more than any part of ny operation, and a lot less than , say, level-crossing removal or light rail construction. It’s only an issue because of that ubiquitous fraudulent Gasland image of a flaming tap, which even the makers admitted was not caused by fracking, and the way all media immediately appended “controversial” to a word that 99.99% of people outside of the industry, and a good few within the industry had never heard before.

    If they haven’t given up already and I’m feeling mischievous, I ask if they’re just against fracking, or against all gas drilling. If they say no, not against all, then I ask which gas projects they’re in favour of.

    And if the conversation hasn’t ended or changed subject already, that’s the point where it will. Because despite their Trenchant Independent Thinker self-image, they really don’t know anything except anti-industry propaganda, and probably never expected to actually meet and converse normally with anyone from the industry, let alone one as urbane, handsome , intelligent and just generally awesome as me .

  41. Rafe Champion

    Thanks Nob, great to have some information from the coalface, where expertise meets popular opinion in the place where it most matters.

  42. Herodotus

    If politicians don’t grow a pair and start telling The voters the truth, we will indeed all be ruined.

  43. Herodotus

    And that surely is one reason why the Nats are moving left.

    It surely is why the ABC needs to be neutralised.

  44. Entropy

    And if the conversation hasn’t ended or changed subject already, that’s the point where it will. Because despite their Trenchant Independent Thinker self-image, they really don’t know anything except anti-industry propaganda, and probably never expected to actually meet and converse normally with anyone from the industry, let alone one as urbane, handsome , intelligent and just generally awesome as me .

    The most eloquent description of the true state of play I have read in years, Nob.

  45. Yarpos

    Nob, there are many people in the bush that share the views of people here on RE and climate. We live regionally and a few months ago I wrote a rebuttal of a hand wringing climate piece in the local rag. I just couldnt stand the BS. I was amazed by the level of support it attracted and the number of people that contacted me about it.

  46. Helen

    The Nationals are turning green. Shooters and Fishers and the lip service add on Farmers are green.

    There is no conservative party that does not drink the green cool aid.

  47. Kneel

    “… let alone one as urbane, handsome , intelligent and just generally awesome as me .”

    Aw shucks – you need some humility, then you’d be perfect.

  48. Nob

    It’s the tiny flaws that make me seem human and approachable, Kneel.

    I don’t take anyone on on climate. There’s too much bullshit on both sides and in the end it doesn’t matter.

    I stick to what I know well and don’t allow myself to get sidetracked (to use a drilling term) into the morass of projections and polls.

    At most I’ll say this: Politicians can’t change climate. We’re going to have to live with it whatever it turns out to be, and we will adapt. TINA.

    But that’s getting drawn into their chosen battleground and never forget: Lefties always have more time to waste than you do.

  49. Tel

    How much better could it get than an Aboriginal Corporation building a Coal-fired Power Station?

    We gotta make this happen … as a nominally “white” (with semi-decent tan) aspirational middle class electricity buyer, my unique lived experience says this project is a great idea.

  50. Rafe Champion

    Right on Tel, but emphasize the tan more than nominal “whiteness”!

    What a PR coup for the good guys to have some notional “first nations” doing coal, but where is the nominal “Liberal Party”?

    OK, sorry I asked:)

  51. There is no conservative party that does not drink the green cool aid.

    Burp.

    Vote libertarian! (LDP!)

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