Fake News! + Check the BOM records!

Update triggered by a comment from Yarpos.  Longterm windwatchers Paul Miskelly and Anton Lang have pointed out that the wind practically disappears every time there is a high pressure system over SE Aust. This has only just recently become clear to me because I have not watched the weather patterns for years since the time when it was a daily concern on the farm.

When you get the relationship it is plain that the phenomenon of extended periods with next to no wind  should have been common knowledge among meteorologist for ever. Maybe so well known that nobody even talked about it, like we don’t talk much about the sunrise and sunset until they become important for some reason or other. So where was the BOM when windpower got the blessing of government by way of subsidies and RE mandates? And who were the people who might have done due diligence by consulting BOM records?

Back to the topic of the original post….

You could not make it up but The Guardian and UTS academics can!

11,000 renewable energy jobs at risk in Australia.

In the real world we are just experiencing the ninth (9th) episode this month when the performance of the windmills in SE Australia fell below 10% of capacity for several hours. The longest spell was 33 hours on the 5th and 6th.

This is South Australia this evening, negative a few hours ago and still zero.

Victoria is zero. New South Wales is doing better at 3% of capacity. The blades are moving in Queensland and Tasmania, 20% of capacity but they contribute next to nothing in MW. The total at present from the wind is 370MW towards a demand of 28.5GW, that is 1.3%! 

This is the source, a 24 hour display, not a screen shot so it will change.  Saturday update. SA is getting more wind today but not Victoria at present.

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27 Responses to Fake News! + Check the BOM records!

  1. Lee

    If renewable energy requires more workers than fossil fuel power to produce the same power output, then doesn’t that make renewable energy grossly inefficient?

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    11,000 renewable energy jobs at risk in Australia

    I hope so. Bats do too.

    ‘Green’ Carnage Study: In 2019 US Wind Turbines Killed 3.7 Million Bats – And This Is A Gross Underestimate (25 Jun)

    Ok not Chinese bats, they’ve a lot to answer for.

  3. Gerard

    Politicians will only respond to political pain. After the blackouts start to become a frequent feature of our power supply – and the responsible minister will be called the minister for blackouts – we may see some change.

  4. Nob

    5 minutes ago these people were dancing on the graves of broke airlines.

    4 minutes ago they were demanding reparations for the zillions of airline and related workers mysteriously laid off .

    3 minutes ago, they were waffling on (again) about a green jobs bonanza, which has never happened anywhere in Australia since the Snowy. Pink batts don’t count.

    Fuck them and their hateful rag.

  5. mem

    I’m starting to think there is a lot of Chinese money behind renewables. Why, because renewables don’t help Australia as they push up the price of energy here and our production costs increase comparatively. China benenitis as most of the renewables infrastructure is Chinese manufactured and has to be imported by Australia, and overall our economy becomes weaker comparatively. So who is gaining? China not Australia. As for the furphy about climate change causing temperature rises, last I heard that twaddle went down the gurgler with sightings of the Tasmanian tiger.

  6. Tim Neilson

    After the blackouts start to become a frequent feature of our power supply – and the responsible minister will be called the minister for blackouts – we may see some change.

    Not for as long as they can maintain the fiction that the problem can be resolved by more taxpayer funded subsidies and regulatory preferences for “renewables”. We’ll need to have destroyed every last coal or gas fired generator before that lie becomes untenable, and by then it will be too late.

  7. NoFixedAddress

    11,000 renewable energy jobs at risk in Australia

    It’s always sad to hear of telephone sales people being rejected.

    Perhaps they can be employed in online medical services delivery.

  8. NoFixedAddress

    They need a Sales Force NOW

  9. NoFixedAddress

    Have the white maggots started to burn all Macquarie dictionaries yet or tearing down the slavers university?

  10. RobK

    From http://www.wattclarity.com.au/articles/2020/06/why-controlling-residential-solar-inverters-is-more-complicated-than-it-appears/

    DER control goes beyond wholesale prices

    The problems for high penetrations of rooftop solar are not isolated to the fluctuations of the wholesale electricity spot market or system frequency – there are different layers of the energy system which affect one another. The NEM level is important for electricity retailers, generators and aggregators, but the more pressing challenges in Australia are arising on the distribution network level, and this is where much of the interesting work around DER is happening.

    For distribution networks, high levels of PV penetration can cause power quality issues and put stress on distribution transformers. In some cases, an inverter (or battery storage system) may be controlled for network reasons before NEM spot prices even come into the picture. Ultimately the goal is to have coordination between both of these layers; determining how to implement this coordination is the goal of the ARENA-backed evolve project (which SwitchDin is a part of). Industry bodies like AEMO & AEMC are exploring how a network services marketplace could fit into this type of framework.

    And crucially, this type of DER coordination requires control of prosumers’ behind-the-meter assets, which brings about a whole slew of issues around fairness and equitability over how, when and how often inverters & other assets are controlled by utilities & retailers. It also requires another level of ‘fleet-wide’ management of these assets. All of this complicates the challenge of orchestrating assets

    A work in progress

    Australia’s energy system is evolving to better incorporate DERs like distributed solar PV, but we’re still at the beginning of the journey. One of the biggest challenges is making prosumer-owned equipment ‘fit’ into the everyday operation of the grid’s physical infrastructure and financial markets. With the huge amount of diversity in PV and BESS inverters (not to mention other types of DER), there’s a lot of work to be done. We’re happy to be one of the companies helping to move the system in the right direction.

    The experiment continues.

  11. Mark M

    US solar PV project developers systematically overestimate energy production.
    (Statistically, their P90 level is actually P63).
    Resulting equity return is lower than expected; default risk rises. Many more tidbits in
    @kwhanalytics et al 2020 PV risk report


    Texas Heat Wave Exposes Energy Grid Challenges
    “As the temperatures climbed, demand from air conditioners soared and winds slowed, the state’s grid operator found itself with a shrinking margin of reserve power.”

  12. Mark M

    2016: How Broken Hill became a solar power trailblazer

    The sprawling solar farm – near the hills where Mel Gibson tore up post-apocalyptic highways as the Road Warrior in the 1981 movie Mad Max 2 – reached full production in October.
    During construction, about 150 people were employed there, resulting in a $15 million boost to the local economy, AGL estimates.

    Now, kangaroos occasionally outnumber the two or three people needed to run the plant.”


    ‘Mad Max: Fury Road’ film locations: How Namibia replaced Australia

    “Unlike the first three Mad Max films, which were filmed in various locations around Australia, Fury Road’s shoot happened in the southern African country of Namibia.
    Originally planned to be filmed around Broken Hill, unusual rainfall saw the normally barren landscape bloom into life – not a great look for a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
    The production moved as a result.”


  13. Mark M

    What is the most absurd thing you’ve EVER heard?

    I’ll start: solar panels and wind turbines will improve Earth’s climate …

    “A scientist discovers that mankind’s technology is causing the world to warm.
    Although the effect is currently subtle, it will rapidly grow more pronounced.
    Research indicates that Europe will soon become a tropical zone.
    A few years later the entire world will be a sweltering inferno, unfit for life.
    The scientist tries to alert the world’s governments, but the politicians ignore him.
    Desperate, he resorts to industrial sabotage, but his efforts prove futile.
    Finally, he succumbs to hopelessness, and he dies of fright, agonizing over the fate of the human race.”

    The Global Warming Hoax of 1874

  14. calli

    Further to Bruce’s comment on bats, they are important pollinators, particularly in desert areas. And they migrate through some of the densely turbined parts of the States.

    But hey, we’re savin’ da planet!

  15. Nob

    the two or three people needed to run the plant.”

    Green jobs Bonanza!

  16. egg_

    The wind(mill)s of change move very slowly?

  17. PK

    OMG, Aren’t Google quick off the mark. The link given in the last line displays a Google based map of Australia and NZ. NZ is labelled ‘New Zealand Aotearoa’!!!

  18. Can anyone determine exactly what those 11,000 jobs entail? How much of this is likely double/triple/quadruple counting? For how long are those 11.000 jobs likely to last?

  19. Yarpos

    This sort of output happens everytime a high high pressure system parks itself ove SE Australia. This is not an unusual weather pattern. They talk fossil fuel replacement but at the moment really have no plan and have learnt zero from the SA debacle.

  20. Rafe Champion

    Thanks Yarpos, post updated.

  21. Zatara

    Pilot charts have been available to mariners since the mid 1800s.

    These weather charts encompass the globe and have evolved into a stunning compilation of historical averages regarding wind direction and strength, storm frequency and tracks, major currents, iceberg limits, fog, air temperature, great-circle routes, magnetic variation, and more. There are five volumes in all, categorized by geographic region.

    I can without hesitation testify to their accuracy. Disregard them while planning a passage at your own peril.

    So the question just has to be asked, if those almost unerringly accurate wind prediction charts exist for all of the seven seas, why is it so difficult to have the same for the land?

  22. MPH

    Getting a meteorologist involved in a wind project would be like getting an engineer involved in absolutely anything – completely beyond the comprehension of politicians.

  23. Professor Fred Lenin

    This high pressure is caused by the lack of a proper gangrene marxist government ,there is no way the weather would dare defy poofter Bandit and his capable comrades .
    Q ; who dishes out the medication now that di natale is gone? Its mot the white fauxberiginal who replaced him surely ?

  24. Professor Fred Lenin

    The green jobs will be like the ones promised in Orbost Victoria when labor shut down the logging industry in exchange for gangrene preferences . 200 odd jobs lost in exchange for 16 gangrene jobs 14 of which were summer only all with the department of many initials ,formerly forestry,a dirty word in gangrenese .
    TRUTH BEATS FACTS . The motto of the left ,coined byPaedo Joe Biden the brilliant law graduate of second rate university ,with honours , being 76th out of a class of 84 .
    I often wonder where the 8 below him ended up ? Doing aomething usefull
    I wonder?

  25. Rockdoctor

    During construction, about 150 people were employed there, resulting in a $15 million boost to the local economy, AGL estimates.

    Hmm, so 150 full time jobs at approx $100K a year per worker… After allowing taking out tax and adding for other overheads such as maintenance probably evens out my very rough estimate. Yup pull the other one SMH it plays jingle bells.

  26. Mick NQ

    That maybe so, but in North QLD the South Easterlies trade winds blow so much that most peoples boats are laid up from April to October. Unfortunately that is not where the power is needed.

  27. Leo G

    Longterm windwatchers Paul Miskelly and Anton Lang have pointed out that the wind practically disappears every time there is a high pressure system over SE Aust.

    Moreover, in the Sydney airshed, windspeed by time of day is modulated by the easterly movement of those pressure systems. Near surface air is usually stationary through most nights and well into the morning with coastal seabreezes and valley winds markedly weaker when pressure systems are centred over the region. This was an important argument against the various new airport proposals.

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