Open Forum: June 27, 2020

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  1. jo

    So Egg, you’re telling us you’re woke?

  2. cohenite

    Coming Up: Monday, June 29
    Paul Fletcher, Minister for Communications, Cyber Safety and the Arts

    Fletcher is the weak arsed bastard who let the Ridd debacle to occur and to continue.

  3. rickw

    Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be the same of a store, as Glenn Reynolds has always said.

    There used to be a gun shop on Sydney Rd called Western Firearms. It was in one of three identical shop fronts. Why three independent businesses couldn’t come together to upset every wanker I’ll never know!

  4. cohenite

    Dillion, like Jacinta and Candice in the US, is spot on:

    When the facts fade to black
    Anthony Dillon Quadrant Online 29th June 2020
    Black Lives Matter (BLM) activists and their sympathisers claim to care about all black lives, which prompts me to pose a question: Why are BLMers not protesting when blacks die at the hands of blacks? Instead, during the current eruption of outrage, they focused at first on Aboriginal deaths in custody, which demonstrated what a charade they were staging, given that Aboriginal people are less likely to die in custody than non-Aborigines. Such an inconvenient fact required a change of emphasis, hence the narrative’s switch to claims of systemic police brutality. The method? Cherry-pick examples and ignore context.
    Consider a recent article by Australian activist Amy McQuire in the Washington Post. In regard to the alleged racist brutality of police and the justice system, she informs her US audience that “the violence is evident in the wounds on black bodies and in the life stories of Aboriginal people.” Actually, Amy, if it’s the wounds on black bodies you are interested in, I can take you to some remote communities where you will see all the wounded black bodies you want. The perpetrators are mostly Aboriginal, so you wouldn’t be interested in telling Americans about that, not when it is more fun, and wins you more attention, to slander an entire nation in the eyes of a wider world.
    In a YouTube clip (below), Amy explains that while non-Aboriginal people regard police as protectors, “for Aboriginal people we see them as the aggravators, as the unjust people, as the people that you need protection from.” Really, Amy? When you speak of ‘Aboriginal people’, are you speaking on behalf of all Aboriginal people?
    The stock ‘evidence’ BLM followers share and promote captures police struggling with Aboriginal people, typically with the first few crucial seconds of the clips missing, therefore also absent is the context in which the incidents unfolded. This is cherry-picking enhanced by omission and deceit, but it serves its purpose in promoting the meme that police, all police, are racists from Central Casting. Do you think your message encourages confidence when police assistance is needed — when, for example, a black perpetrator is beating the daylights out of a black victim? Guess what? The police aren’t summoned and there are more of those “wounds on black bodies” that Amy would have the world conclude are inflicted solely by whites.
    Here’s a question for the professional protesters: How would you like it if short snippets of recent videos showing Aboriginal people fighting each other were shown on the news each night? Would you be happy for Australia to judge Aboriginal people the way you have judged Australia’s police? Put that shoe on the other foot and you will find it very uncomfortable. Why do they love doing this? Thomas Sowell offers an explanation:
    The reason so many people misunderstand so many issues is not that these issues are so complex, but that people do not want a factual or analytical explanation that leaves them emotionally unsatisfied. They want villains to hate and heroes to cheer.
    Making villains of police officers is a convenient distraction from the appalling rate of black-on-black violence and homicide here in Australia. And, yes, of course complaints of police brutality should be investigated. However, unless you’ve served as a police officer what you consider as ‘brutal’ and ‘unjust’ is most likely very far removed from the truth on the street. A resisting suspect is likely to be pumping adrenaline — the fight-or-flight response — and very aggressive, especially when alcohol and/or drugs are involved. Any police intervention seeking to subdue an aggressive person will likely appear ‘excessive’ to the inexperienced, especially if it is presented out of context as a few seconds of edited footage on social media or the TV news shows which love the argy-bargy much more than they respect truth and context.
    Many times I have heard blactivists dismiss high rates of community violence and child abuse with the throwaway line, ‘Walk a mile in our shoes before you criticise.’ Maybe they should try walking a few yards in the shoes of the police just to see what it’s like. They would likely discover that the last thing police need in pressure situations is some loud-mouth sticking a phone in a police officer’s face while shouting “I’m filming this!”
    If they really want to help make things better — which, of course, they don’t — footage of black-on-black violence, of child abuse and community dysfunction would be a catalyst for conversations about the need to address real problems rather than largely notional ones.
    Who am I kidding!
    Tony Dillon identifies as a part-Aboriginal Australian who is proud of both his Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal ancestries. Originally from Queensland, he now lives in Sydney and is a researcher at the Australian Catholic University. For more, visit http://www.anthonydillon.com.au

  5. dover_beach

    One of the reasons I love the states – The full auto bursts that interpret his monologue are a joy:

  6. jo

    Cohenite, tits won’t get a root until he gets rid of all the curtain material that Chloe has in the back room. I still love the look on her face when tits conceded.

  7. William the Conjuror

    Detail of the famous photograph in which one man, believed to be August Landmesser, refuses to give the Nazi salute.

    Identified as Landmesser after the photograph was published in 1991 by the mother of his children, Irene Eckler.

    Another family has claimed that the man in the photo was Gustav Wegert (1890-1959), a metalworker at Blohm+Voss who habitually refused to salute on religious grounds. They have presented documentation of Wegert’s employment at Blohm+Voss at that time, and family photos which resemble the man in the famous photo, as evidence of their claim.

  8. rickw

    Hey, thought this was supposed to be a Vietnam War blog?

    I only come here for stories about conscription and to post CCR music videos….

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cohenite, tits won’t get a root until he gets rid of all the curtain material that Chloe has in the back room. I still love the look on her face when tits conceded.

    “I was going to be First Lady, in the Lodge. I had the house all packed up, and ready to move. We were going to have a butler, housekeeper, chef and staff. You couldn’t even get that right, could you? And I haven’t forgotten about Kathy Sheriff.”

  10. egg_

    So Egg, you’re telling us you’re woke?

    No, it was a nightmare – I dreamt I had an MX5.
    I had a wanker “Astrophysicist”* neighbour who had one.

    *He’s an Astrophysicist, you know – reminded one at every opportunity.

  11. Chris

    Chris,

    Actually, why don’t you get her a Jeep and a rifle? Might be more in sync with the times!

    She is a dab hand with a 9.5mm Steyr.

  12. Crossie

    I just realised that by giving states fixed election terms we have caused untold damage to the whole of Australia. We will never have a chance to right that wrong. It was good while it lasted.

    On the other hand, the latest polls tell me that apart from Dan Andrews all other premiers have increased their standing. Sigh, perhaps we deserve everything that is coming to us.

  13. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Mater at 9:18 pm:

    “Mick, that was a great Field of Dreams monologue.
    Well done. Your memory serves you well.
    Very impressed…unless you cheated!!” 😉

    Mater … before someone consults my TinderBook page and discovers the truth I must admit I half cheated. The last paragraph I know well but long ago I did also memorise that it is important to know where to find what you no longer remember perfectly well.

    “There were some gilded youths that sat along the barber’s wall.
    Their eyes were dull, their heads were flat, they had no brains at all”

    is simply too well written to ever forget but, like Benny and The Jets, or Dennis to King Arthur “Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!”, it has a lot more impact if you can embellish the excerpt with more context. 😊

  14. Crossie

    No, it was a nightmare – I dreamt I had an MX5.
    I had a wanker “Astrophysicist”* neighbour who had one.

    *He’s an Astrophysicist, you know – reminded one at every opportunity.

    Being an astrophysicist you would think he would have a flying car.

  15. Crossie

    I only come here for stories about conscription and to post CCR music videos….

    The Easybeats for me.

  16. rickw

    More freedom!

    The thing that’s fascinating about the 20mm Oerlikon is that it’s simply a massive blow back action, no locking lugs and a huge recoil spring.

  17. William the Conjuror

    Correction to my earlier comment, first para.

    Identified as Landmesser by his 2nd daughter, Irene Eckler, after the photograph was published in 1991. The mother of his children was Irma Eckler.

  18. cohenite

    Generally and specifically about alarmism Clive Hamilton is a dickhead; but on the chunks he seems to have been to Damascus:

    Sheets pulled back in search for reds in bed with the ALP
    Clive Hamilton The Australian June 27, 2020

    Friday’s raids on the office and home of openly pro-Beijing NSW Labor MP Shaoquett Moselmane will attract the close attention of intelligence and security agencies across the Western world. The raids came after a complex and sensitive inter-agency operation and represent a decisive step in the federal government’s determination to give effect to Australia’s world-leading foreign interference law.
    The law criminalises activities conducted covertly on behalf of a foreign power and aiming to influence government processes or undermine the exercise of democratic rights. After two years in which none of the relevant departments and agencies would take responsibility, in December Scott Morrison announced the formation of a special taskforce, led by ASIO and funded to the tune of $90m, to pursue prosecutions under the new law.
    But perhaps as important has been a change in personnel at the top, especially the appointment of Andrew Shearer as cabinet secretary and Mike Burgess to lead ASIO. Both are strong enough to resist bureaucratic pressures to tread lightly and not upset Beijing. And they are backed by the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister.
    Last year, Paul Keating, who has built a post-politics career backing the Chinese, attacked the heads of intelligence agencies as “nutters” and pressed Bill Shorten to fire them when he became prime minister in order to improve relations with Beijing.
    It was an illustration of how deeply CCP sympathies run in the NSW Labor Party.
    When my book, Silent Invasion, was published at the beginning of 2018, the big beasts of the NSW Right came out to monster me because I’d written about the Right’s links with Communist Party front groups and agents of influence. Bob Carr, Keating and Graham Richardson attempted to trash my reputation and make me out as a Sinophobe and racist. They were embarrassed because I drew attention to evidence of the deep penetration of the Chinese state into their part of the Labor Party. Some pro-Beijing NSW politicians lobbied to stop passage of the foreign interference law, which Beijing has denounced with the usual claims of “anti-China sentiment” and “McCarthyism”….

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The thing that’s fascinating about the 20mm Oerlikon is that it’s simply a massive blow back action, no locking lugs and a huge recoil spring.

    Don’t have a reference, but wasn’t the concept developed by the Germans in Wobbly Wobbly One, who transferred production rights to the Swiss after the Treaty of Versailles. The Swiss sold the production rights to all comers…

  20. cohenite

    Iran has issued an international warrant to Interpol to arrest Trump for the killing of that Iranian dickhead general.

  21. BrettW

    Been listening to The Candace Owens Show: Marc Lamont Hill via Youtube. Hill is some sort of Uni professor on the left side of politics. Big mistake on his part taking her on as he is proof the left is insane.

    He thinks men can have babies and menstruate and when discussing toilets talks about cisgender privilege.

    When discussing rainbow flags she says conservatives should have their own flag. He says it could be the American (so does that mean he thinks the left is not represented by the flag) or Confederate flag. She basically disagrees with everything he says and is quite right to do so. He is proud about what is happening on the streets.

  22. rickw

    Yep, you’re right:

    During World War I, the German industrialist Reinhold Becker developed a 20 mm caliber cannon, known now as the 20 mm Becker using the Advanced Primer Ignition blowback (API blowback) method of operation. This used a 20×70mmRB cartridge and had a cyclic rate of fire of 300 rpm. It was used on a limited scale as an aircraft gun on Luftstreitkräfte warplanes, and an anti-aircraft gun towards the end of that war.

    Because the Treaty of Versailles banned further production of such weapons in Germany, the patents and design works were transferred in 1919 to the Swiss firm SEMAG (Seebach Maschinenbau Aktien Gesellschaft) based near Zürich. SEMAG continued development of the weapon, and in 1924 had produced the SEMAG L, a heavier weapon (43 kg) that fired more powerful 20×100mmRB ammunition at a slightly higher rate of fire, 350 rpm.

    In 1924 SEMAG failed. The Oerlikon firm, named after the Zürich suburb of Oerlikon where it was based, then acquired all rights to the weapon, plus the manufacturing equipment and the employees of SEMAG.

  23. Zyconoclast

    Melbourne – China.
    Every single time.

    10,800 Assault Weapons Parts Seized by CBP in Louisville

    At the Express Consignment Operations hubs in Louisville U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers seized a shipment from China that contained over 10,000 Assault Weapons parts being smuggled into the country.

    The shipment was seized on May 22. Officers inspected the item, which was arriving from Shenzhen, China, destined for a residence in Melbourne, Florida. The parcel was manifested as containing 100 Steel Pin Samples. This is a common practice of smugglers manifesting the contraband as a harmless or a legitimate commodity in hopes of eluding further examination.

  24. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    rickw
    #3499373, posted on June 29, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    Thanks for that one, rickw – after recent postings on the subject, I’m remembering the story of the helicopter gunner in the fun factory, with 9 Squadron, Royal Australian Air Force – he was an Aboriginal. He’s gone now, so I won’t mention his name, but any of the old hands know who I’m talking about.

  25. mh

    Michael Savage Interviews President Donald Trump – June 15, 2020

  26. Crossie

    Why is it that I disagree with everything Joe Hockey tells Paul Murray on his show? Could it be that he knows nothing. Wasn’t it that when Trump won the election Joe had to ask Greg Norman for Trump’s phone number because he never bothered to contact his campaign before the election?

    This is the same Joe who kept appearing with Kevin07 on the Sunrise program to give him legitimacy.

    On the other hand, the current ambassador in Washington is Arthur Sinodinos. Makes you wish for Kim Beazley to come back.

  27. Maj

    Don’t do it, Mr. President! #RealMenDontWearMasks

    As virus surges, Trump under pressure to adopt mask

    Washington (AFP) – President Donald Trump faced mounting bipartisan pressure Sunday to set an example by wearing a face mask, as his health secretary warned the “window is closing” to gain control of an explosion of infections in conservative-led US states.

    New coronavirus cases have been surging in more than half of US states, reaching record new highs after months of mitigation efforts applied unevenly across the country and sometimes contradictory messaging from the government.

    Hardest hit have been southern and western states that pushed for early economic reopenings.

    But the latest upsurge, pushing the nation’s total of declared cases over 2.5 million and its death toll past 125,000, has prompted a growing chorus of calls for much tougher rules and enforcement.

    “This is a very, very serious situation and the window is closing for us to take action and get this under control,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said on CNN.

    ‘A unique position’

    Azar was asked why Trump has refused to set an example by wearing a protective mask in public — even when standing next to mask-wearing health advisors — and reiterated the White House explanation that the president is tested daily and is “in a unique position” as a world leader.

    But many Republicans who are normally reluctant to criticize the president have been calling more insistently for mask use, with some urging a clearer example from the nation’s leader.

    “If wearing masks is important, and all the health experts tell us that it is… it would help if from time to time the president would wear one to help us get rid of this political debate that says if you’re for Trump, you don’t wear a mask, if you’re against Trump, you do,” Republican Senator Lamar Alexander said Sunday on CNN.

    In some areas, mask-wearing has taken on a political edge rather than being seen as a straightforward health choice.

    Among Republicans calling strongly for mask-wearing are Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — which has set daily records of new COVID-19 cases; Senate leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky; and Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, another state that has seen a major uptick in cases after moving aggressively to reopen its economy.

    In Phoenix, Governor Doug Ducey wore a mask on Thursday when he warned fellow Arizonans that “we are getting hit hard right now.” The best defense against COVID-19, he told local media, is to wear protective masks.

    ‘Long overdue’

    Liz Cheney, a member of the House leadership, has tweeted a picture of her father, the former US vice president, wearing a mask under the words: “Dick Cheney says WEAR A MASK #realmenwearmasks”

    Vice President Mike Pence has sometimes worn masks in public but stopped short of advocating mask-wearing when he chaired the first briefing in two months of the White House coronavirus task force on Friday.

    Pence travelled Sunday to Texas for a briefing with Governor Abbott on the pandemic response, but has cancelled upcoming events in Arizona and Florida “out of an abundance of caution.”

    Asked why the administration hasn’t pushed harder for masks, Pence told CBS on Sunday that “we believe that every state has a unique situation” and that “we want to defer to governors” to decide on rules for their own states.

    Some Democrats want Trump not only to set an example but to mandate mask-wearing nationwide — including Trump’s White House rival Joe Biden who says he would seek to make masks compulsory in public spaces.

  28. Zyconoclast

    “There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.” ― George Orwell, 1984

    Black Trans Model Jari Jones Fronts Calvin Klein 2020 Pride Campaign

  29. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From cohenite at 10:11 pm:

    “…
    Clive Hamilton The Australian June 27, 2020
    Friday’s raids on the office and home of openly pro-Beijing NSW Labor MP Shaoquett Moselmane will attract the close attention of intelligence and security agencies across the Western world. The raids came after a complex and sensitive inter-agency operation and represent a decisive step in the federal government’s determination to give effect to Australia’s world-leading foreign interference law. …”

    I’ve not followed this much at all however I am conscious it has been running for weeks or more.

    This palooka’s name alone is testimony to the high value he places on lying through his teeth.

    I read here the keystone cops raided MossleTossle’s joint last Friday, after giving him weeks of prior notice to ensure he had a lot of empty manila folders in his filing cabinet, and to get the angle grinder cranked up to surgically remove the hard drives from his PC and his laptop.

    All the best, juiciest files will be safely stored on a tramp steamer now en route to Peking.

    The drongos will have 25 of their brightest public service pretend policemen spend the next three years building a case to take him to court and protect us from espionage or sabotage or whatever he has already successfully completed in the past several years. That’s a fine bit of crime fighting there lads.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    I see this 40mm Bofors from time to time. Not much room for the gunner, and no padding on the seat!

    It’s at Katoomba RSL Club, and off of HMAS Katoomba.

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Q&A guest host Virginia Trioli is left red faced after a VERY rude slip of the tongue while introducing a young female guest

    Virginia Trioli accidentally called a young female guest a ‘rooter’ live on air
    The 54-year-old stepped in for regular host Hamish Macdonald on Q&A
    Trioli meant to call Yasmin Poole a ‘writer’ but accidentally led with ‘rooter’

    Daily Wail. Good job we don’t have a devoted thread to Q and A any more isn’t it?

  32. egg_

    Trioli meant to call Yasmin Poole a ‘writer’ but accidentally led with ‘rooter’

    A Freudian slip about a bit of competition for Stone Vag?
    Tits will be right on it!

  33. C.L.

    “This is a very, very serious situation and the window is closing for us to take action and get this under control,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said on CNN.

    Yeah, bullshit.
    It can’t be ‘controlled’ because there is no cure.
    It’s also harmless, basically.

    Life has to go on and that’s all there is to it.

    The “growing calls” for Trump to wear a mask are no different to “calls” to “take a knee.”

  34. DrBeauGan

    “There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.” ― George Orwell, 1984

    Black Trans Model Jari Jones Fronts Calvin Klein 2020 Pride Campaign

    I’ll never wear Calvin Klein underpants ever again.

  35. Mark A

    Time for some lame pics.
    Nite.

  36. Oh, that’s good. I was worried we’d get only the old Singer and the thimbles! 🙂

  37. Steve trickler

    You’ll probably be hungry after this. Craving flesh.



  38. Top Ender

    A bit long, and I’ve probably posted too much on Sheean here – please scroll as necessary.

    Did Sheean’s 20mm gun fire underwater?

    It has been suggested that in the last few seconds of the corvette HMAS Armidale’s final fight against Japanese aircraft north of Darwin on 1 December 1941, that one of her Oerlikon AA guns was firing while the ship was still under water. In his book on Sheean, Top Ender presents the analysis.

    The second-last day Armidale was to sail the seas was fine and clear, by night as well as day. It was an ideal opportunity for a Japanese reconnaissance aircraft to try its hand at night bombing. Lieutenant Lloyd Palmer recalled:

    The voyage was without incident until about 0200 the next morning (Nov. 30th) when a Jap recce plane was sighted. This plane dropped four bombs which fell very close to Armidale, and then made off.

    This was to set the tone as the day of 30 November dawned. Armidale’s ship’s company went to Action Stations again and again, the alarms ringing and every man racing to his station, cramming his helmet on and readying the guns, with the gunners opening fire as soon as they had swung their weapons onto the target, using their own judgement as to when to depress the triggers. Rex Pullen later recounted:

    The Oerlikon gun you could sweep around on the deck and follow right round. It was defence against aircraft and I was a loader on one of those, I was on the starboard one, which was right under the bridge and we were quite conversant with what was happening in the ship as we could hear what the orders given on the bridge. Every ace cannon shell, that you put in these, a 20 ml thing that cannon show about as thick as your thumb, which was made to pierce aircraft, pretty powerful, you have to get the kites down low enough to be of any use. So we were only able to use them when the aircraft were low.

    Teddy Sheean was on the aft Oerlikon, that is, closest to the stern. He too would have been busy. The gun crew alternated positions when they could, partly for experience, and partly to relieve the heavy physical exercise. The crew of four were the main gunner, in behind the gun in a harness fitted with waist-belt and shoulder supports. The second member, the gun chief, designated the targets, and the third crew sailor ¬– the “feeder” – removed the empty 60-round magazines as necessary, and fitted in new ones. The fourth member was responsible for getting the range from a ship’s telephone, connected to a headset, and adjusting the sights, although this was usually not possible in quick, short aircraft engagements. Trips nearby to the ready use lockers to retrieve new magazines were necessary depending on how busy the gun was.

    The barrel of the gun could also be changed in around 30 seconds, and this was necessary when extensive firing had been engaged in. Stoppages also had to be quickly dealt with. The gun was very reliable, but complicated, and it needed a trained crew to operate it quickly.

    Added to the hard physical work of training it, firing, removing and replacing the magazines, was the added tension and fear of what failure could mean. The metal shield and the crews’ metal helmets were not much protection, and the ship’s company by now had seen enough action; enemy aircraft – both bombers and fighters; and heard a multiplicity of stories about what could happen to them. For most, in their hearts they would have been afraid.

    In between engagements against aircraft the crews were not allowed to leave their positions, and indeed the main gunner stayed ready in the harness with the weapon loaded. This meant that the whole crew ate when they could, usually sandwiches, and drank warm water from canteens. During the engagements they were deafened by the explosions of the gun firing, the two other Oerlikons fitted to the bridge wings, and the machineguns mounted further forward of themselves.

    Armidale’s records record her on the afternoon of 1 December being attacked by five aircraft. She asserted she fought off this assault, with two aircraft being forced to jettison their bombs, according to Richards, and with one possibly crashing. This is not however supported by the Japanese records, which argue they did not lose an aircraft.

    Lieutenant Palmer said of the action:

    This time, however, they altered their tactics. On the previous day, the bombing had all been from about four thousand feet, and our Captain had easily avoided every stick. But now they started to dive-bomb, which was rather a different story. However, we were still not hit, although the intensity of the attacks increased with every wave.

    But at around 1430 that afternoon the corvette was subjected to a more vigorous attack which was to include torpedo bombers attacking simultaneously at opposing angles, a new factor which was first scrutinised by Bradford. They were Betty twin-engine machines carrying one massive torpedo each.

    At 1450 Richards registered the sighting of the incoming force of 13 aircraft and increased the ship’s speed to her full 15 knots. At 1505 the aircraft took up their attacking positions, and Richard commenced zig-zagging the vessel to throw off the bombardier’s aim.

    This was confirmed by the analysis of the later Board of Inquiry. At 1515 (3:15 pm) Armidale was under full attack, according to the later inquiry: “9 bombers and 3 fighters took part.” The fighters strafed the ship with their guns, while the bombers made approaches to release their main ordnance. Lieutenant Palmer later put the force as being 13 aircraft rather than 12, and he said they approached “from five directions – nine bombers, three Zeros and a float plane, attacking simultaneously with aerial torpedoes, bombs and machine guns.”

    The Japanese tactics had been analysed by the Allies. They were made up as follows:

    Daylight torpedo bombing approaches are usually made in close formation at medium altitude.

    Attacks may be made in a wedge or loose diamond formation, or in small groups which separate to attack individual objectives from different directions.

    Glides are made at an angle of 40 to 45°, and torpedoes are dropped from an altitude of 200 to 300 feet at a range from 500 to 1,200 yards from the target.

    Approaches are planned from the direction where the least concentration of antiaircraft fire may be expected. Full advantage is taken of the position of the sun and cloud formations.

    The corvette’s defence would have seen her not only maneuvering to put off the bombers’ aim, but also to open her guns’ arcs of fire to their best advantage. If the bombers were approaching from the bow or stern in line, for example, this would give them the best chance of hitting the ship: lengthwise, rather than from one side to the other. It would also minimize the anti-aircraft fire coming up in attack, as the ship’s superstructure would have masked most of the guns’ ability to fire and the gunners’ vision of their target.

    While the aircraft crews knew of such practices to assist their strike rate and set their attack runs accordingly, so too did the ship’s company below. Not only was Armidale violently changing her track to throw off the aircraft runs, she was also maneuvering to open the gunners’ arcs of fire to the maximum, giving them the ability to hit the aircraft with all possible fire. The guns each worked independently, filling the skies full of lead, firing by direct visual means, not as bigger ships did by director fire, with targeting information provided from a central location and all guns firing together. This was a small ship with limited firepower fighting for her life.

    At 1430 a chutai of nine Bettys led by Lieutenant Ogino attacked Armidale in a low level torpedo run using Type 91 Kai torpedoes. These massive weapons, painted red and green according to Stoker Ray Raymond who saw one in its final seconds before impact, weighed around 800 kilograms each.

    Aircraft flying in protective cover over Armidale would have lessened the attack or even prevented it. But although airpower had changed World War I; was changing in World War II, and has significant still-changing impact on the face of conflict today, it cannot be everywhere all the time.

    Ship’s company gunner Rex Pullen commented on this succinctly:

    We were totally I s’pose 400 km from Australia we had no air support because by the time the kites could fly across from Darwin across to there, spend ten minutes with us cos it has got no petrol and has to get back and so we were restricted and didn’t get any air support and while the Japanese were all air, we had nothing to defend ourselves with.

    And Commanding Officer Richards recorded in his ROP bitterly: “No Fighter support was present at any of the bombing attacks…”

    In addition to this the aircraft were armed with torpedoes, a significant new weapon that had not been used in the region. Each Betty bomber aircraft carried one on the aircraft’s centreline. They were an 800 kilogram model.

    Further, this was the first time that torpedo bombers had been seen in this area, so their assault would have been completely unexpected. For example, no torpedoes had been dropped during the devastating attacks on Darwin on 19 February, or during subsequent attacks in the vicinity.

    The Japanese accounts show what weapons were used: a combination of bombs, with an all up weight of ten tonnes, and torpedoes. Armidale was doomed if the aircrews knew their job – and by this time the Japanese forces in the south-west Pacific area were all well-blooded and expert in their skills. Further, new aircrews might well be deterred by being fired on by ship artillery, the experienced aircrews and such a massive ordnance load meant the aircraft would keep coming until they scored hits and sunk their target.
    Armidale’s last action would have seen the ship heeling to the extreme as Richards and the bridge team conned the ship at speed through the bomb bursts. The Oerlikon roar of steady 20mm fire would have been counterbalanced by the scream of the machine-guns rattling away, the gunners and loaders all fighting for balance as the ship’s steel deck tilted and pitched underneath them.

    It was a beautiful afternoon of blue sky and calm seas, with Nature serene as the humans scattered across the face of the skies and ocean fought it out between the two sides of Empire versus Empire. It was perfect flying and sailing weather, and neither side would retreat.

    When the aircraft were first sighted, Richards held his course steady watching to find out what the attackers would do. At 1505 the Japanese began to attack from three different directions, in three groups of three. Richards then maneuvered Armidale with a short zigzag and also ordered full port wheel at the time he judged that the attacking aircraft were at their dropping points, but to no avail. Armidale was hit by a torpedo on the port side just forward of the bridge.

    A minute later the corvette was hit again on the port side, between the engine room and the boiler room. A third torpedo from the port side missed ahead. A fourth torpedo missed astern, and a fifth torpedo passed over the bridge. The conventional bombs were still coming as well, with one narrowly missing the ship on the starboard side.

    It probably was the case that the ship was struck by two torpedoes and possibly one bomb. The summary of information furnished by the Chief of the Naval Staff to the War Cabinet Agenda on 12 January 1943 specified that Armidale was “hit by a torpedo.” Notably there was use of the singular here, and no mention of bombing or strafing.

    The immediate actions after the fatal impact

    Signalman of the Watch Arthur Lansbury was on the bridge. He said: “When the first one hit, it threw me to the deck, and when I got on my feet again, I raced to the voicepipe down to the radio room to try to send out a distress message, but couldn’t raise them.”
    Lansbury found out later that a piece of shrapnel had gone straight through the radio set. This unfortunate damage meant that Armidale’s situation would remain unknown: not that any aircraft could have reached her in time to help, but the rescue situation was going to be dangerously compromised.

    Able Seaman Jack Duckworth was on the quarterdeck of the corvette, and recalled being:

    …swept away by the water rushing through. I grabbed a depth charge thrower, and managed to get back on my feet. I got to work cutting everything that would float loose. While we were letting go the motor boat, Jap fighters machine gunned us…several boys were hit with cannon fire. We eventually got the boat away, and jumped into the water. We’d just dropped astern when another torpedo hit her amidships…smoke and oil went everywhere.

    The explosions had been massive. Many of the Dutch soldiers were killed in the area of impact. There has always been confusion over who died, until now. The next chapter details how this has been resolved with this book’s publication.

    Armidale began sinking fast, and it was now that Teddy Sheean determined to stay on and fight.
    Ordinary Seaman RM Caro wrote later:

    Teddy died, but none of us who survived, I am sure, will ever forget his gallant deed which won him a Mention in Despatches. He was a loader number on the after Oerlikon gun. When the order “Abandon Ship” was given, he made for the side, only to be hit twice by the bullets of an attacking Zero. None of us will ever know what made him do it, but he went back to his gun, strapped himself in, and brought down a Jap plane, still firing as he disappeared beneath the waves.

    The Gunnery Officer, Lieutenant Palmer, gave a brief but clear account, and as the senior man on board in charge of the ship’s weapons, his is one of the most significant.

    Ord. Seaman Ted Sheean was responsible for one plane in the last attack. He was a loading number at the after Oerlikon, and when the order was given to abandon ship, he made for the side, but was wounded by a machine gun bullet. He returned to his gun, and started firing again, bringing down one plane, but was again wounded and went down with the ship. Sheean received a ‘Mention in Despatches’.

    Armidale’s CO, Lieutenant Commander Richards, wrote later in his Report of Proceedings: “Ordinary Seaman Edward Sheean, although wounded, remained at his post at the after Oerlikon, and was responsible for bringing down one enemy bomber. He continued firing until he was killed at his gun.”

    Long after the war, the political leader Senator Chris Schacht expressed those last moments well when he said in Parliament: “From the moment he took the decision to strap himself into the gun mount Sheean must have known he was not going to survive. His actions were pure, selfless heroism.” Schacht’s comments were typical of people from all sides of politics who have discovered the Sheean story and determined that here was a naval hero.

    Crew member Ray Raymond said “the after section righted itself from the tilt and the after oerlikon [sic] came into sight being manned by Ted Sheehan [sic] who was still firing the gun which resulted in him shooting down one Japanese plane and damaging possibly two others.”

    Colin Madigan said:

    My action station was on the bridge in the asdic cabinet and when the order ‘Abandon ship’ was given I had difficulty extricating myself because of my Mae West, which was inflated. I could hear Teddy Sheean’s Oerlikon firing all the time, and when I eventually got into the water, I saw his tracer shells coming up from under the surface. He had gone down with the ship, still fighting.

    The writer Frank Walker interviewed Leading Seaman Arthur Lansbury at length:

    Lansbury: When I was going around I saw Teddy Sheean go back and strap himself into the Oerlikon and start…

    Walker: That’s the thing I want to talk about and specifically what you saw of Sheean. He would have been on the Oerlikon deck.

    Lansbury: He was abandoning ship and I thought he was hit but Teddy (Pellet) told me he was on the way back to the gun.

    Walker: Where was he hit do you know?

    Lansbury: There (pointing towards his back). He went back and strapped himself into the Oerlikon.

    Walker: So he must have known then he was going down with the ship.

    Lansbury: Oh yes.

    Walker: Because those Oerlikons fitted right round your shoulders and once you strapped your shoulders into them you couldn’t get out.

    Lansbury: Yes. As the ship went down he was still firing as the ship went under.

    Walker: Someone has told me he could see the tracers coming from under the water.

    Lansbury: He just kept firing as the ship went down. He just kept his fingers on it and that was that.

    Walker: How long would he have been firing?

    Lansbury: It is hard to tell.

    Walker: He didn’t have much time. It took only three minutes for the ship to go down.

    Walker (to [Able Seaman Ted] Pellet): did you see Sheean too?

    Pellet: I did. Sheehan and I were both together. We made for the motorboat. I had a tommy-axe in my hand and I chopped the after fall and Sheean was right alongside me. They were strafing us at the time. He was going to get into the motor-boat with me. He was right alongside me then he made a decision to go back and have a go at them…

    Historian Graham Wilson has argued that Sheean could only have shot for between 16-33 seconds. He bases this assumption on the argument that the Oerlikon was fed by two 60 round magazines, and the rate of fire from the weapon was 450 rounds per minute at its maximum. Therefore at the maximum rate of fire the gun would have been out of its ammunition in 16 seconds, or at its slowest rate of fire in 33 seconds.

    However, there is no reason to assume Sheean would have fired off all his ammunition, as Wilson implies “if he maintained a constant stream of fire.” Rather, he could – and would – have saved it for available targets. Wilson suggests too that: “This begs the question, where did he get the extra ammunition from? There is not a single statement to the effect that Sheean was seen to reload his Oerlikon, nor that anyone stayed aboard to assist him as loader.”

    But then again, the ship section Sheean was firing from was not that readily seen by the survivors, and in any case, Sheean could have reloaded from nearby ammunition drums. Near him were “ready-use lockers”, basically big watertight boxes in which equipment, including ammunition was stored. Crewman Alf Thornton, associated for many years with the museum ship Castlemaine – an identical corvette – says that both Castlemaine and HMAS Goulburn, in which he served from 1943-45, utilised ready-use lockers in those positions.

    The suggestions that Sheean continued firing from beneath the water must be treated as exaggeration where it is encountered. Firstly, of course Sheen could have only held his breath for an extremely brief period; perhaps 10-20 seconds. Second, the mechanical possibility of Sheean firing the Oerlikon from under the water was analysed by the tribunal. It concluded:

    The Tribunal reviewed the operating manuals and drawings of the gun.

    In its research, the Tribunal observed that the gun cycle is operated by gas blowback. As each round fires, gas pressure from the explosion blows the breech block backward from the chamber, ejecting the expended cartridge case during its travel. At full recoil, it is either stopped by the trigger hook or it continues its cycle by collecting a new round from the magazine and returning it to the chamber to fire; and so the cycle continues until the trigger is released. This cycle will not operate automatically if the breech block is submerged, due to the combined effect of water resistance slowing the breech block travel, and the significant reduction in the available pressure delivered by the gas.

    There is no question that Sheean was firing as Armidale was sinking, but, as mentioned above, the mechanical nature of the Oerlikon would not sustain an ability to fire from under water. Observers, viewing the action from the surface of the water, could have been misled into believing that the Oerlikon was firing by the effect of the strafing from enemy aircraft, which continued after Armidale had sunk.

    In summary, it was not possible to Sheean’s gun to fire under water, but there seems every evidence he fired until the last second possible.

    (This extract is taken from Honour Denied, published by Avonmore Books)

    Original edition has 33 endnotes supporting evidence.

  39. JC

    Really?
    Native Americans….

    and a small number of tribes, in the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, adopted the practice of holding slaves as chattel property and held increasing numbers of African-American slaves.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A bit long, and I’ve probably posted too much on Sheean here – please scroll as necessary.

    So, one Jack Travers Cornwall, the sole survival at his post on HMS “”Chester” at the battle of Jutland, is awarded a Victoria Cross, yet Teddy Shehan, drowned at his post, isn’t?

  41. JC

    Who is responsible for this?

  42. Top Ender

    Zulu, a couple of similar cases – that is, defending ships from air attack, from WWII, but in these both men received a VC:

    The recipient in one such case was Petty Officer Alfred Sephton, who stayed at his post on the destroyer HMS Coventry while that ship was trying to defend a hospital ship and herself from Stuka divebombers off Crete on 18th May 1941.

    Sephton took a machinegun bullet which passed through him and injured an able seaman next to him. Sephton kept to his station, continuing his duty on the gun director until the attack was over. He then collapsed, dying the next day. His Commanding Officer wrote:

    Sephton reported to the Control Officer that he had been hit but could carry on. He continued to carry out his duties admirably, although obviously in great pain. Sephton knew that owing to the cramped space in the director and the difficulty of access he could not be relieved until the end of the action. His heroism in carrying on under these conditions set a magnificent example to A.B. Fisher who was also able to carry on, thus maintaining the efficiency of the director.

    Another case concerned the defence of a ship in harbour and at anchor.

    The armed merchant cruiser HMS Foylebank was a convoy protection ship awaiting a convoy being assembled in Portland, a harbour in the United Kingdom. Leading Seaman Jack Mantle of the Royal Navy defended his ship against air attack.

    Mantle was 23 years old and the gun captain on one of the ship’s starboard 40mm anti-aircraft guns. The ship was attacked on the morning of 4 July 1940 by up to 20 Stuka divebombers which had flown across the Channel. Accounts are varied, but in general it is described as being only around eight minutes in duration, but extremely damaging, being hit by several bombs, with “176 of the 300 man crew killed and only 40 survivors remaining uninjured.

    Mantle’s VC citation says:

    Leading Seaman Jack Mantle was in charge of the Starboard pom-pom gun when HMS Foylebank was attacked by enemy aircraft on the 4th of July 1940. Early in the action his left leg was shattered by a bomb, but he stood fast at his gun and went on firing with hand-gear only: for the ship’s electric power had failed. Almost at once he was wounded again in many places. Between his bursts of fire he had time to reflect on the grievous injuries of which he was soon to die but his great courage bore him up till the end of the fight, when he fell by the gun he had so valiantly served.

  43. C.L.

    Does Trump know he’s tweeting Aussie Rules.

    https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1274368825463627776

    LOL.
    That’s that Mousie bloke, isn’t it?

  44. JC

    Admitted or even knew. But jeez March 2019?

    Spanish scientists have found traces of the coronavirus in water sewage samples dating back to March 2019, suggesting the novel virus that triggered the current pandemic emerged from China much earlier than the Chinese Community Party previously admitted.

  45. Beachcomber

    In a way the Chinese Communist Party actually are responsible for the Covid-1984 masquerade. Not because they leaked or released some non-existent deadly new virus. No, they started the whole sh*t-show by over-reacting to some cases of the ‘flu with ridiculous Statist extremes. They didn’t export a new virus, they exported economic shut-down, humiliating behaviour controls, and the enforcement of the police state.

  46. Top Ender

    Appalling!

    Bikies jailed after breaking man’s leg with electric guitar

    ABC article doesn’t say what brand of guitar.

    Or whether it was a bass or not.

  47. Nob

    Top Ender
    #3499423, posted on June 30, 2020 at 2:53 am
    Appalling!

    Bikies jailed after breaking man’s leg with electric guitar

    ABC article doesn’t say what brand of guitar.

    A Fender Plastercaster?

    A Gibson Legs Poorl(y)?

  48. Dettol Donny is happy for sacrifices to be made, so long as he’s not making them –

  49. calli

    Knight!

    I see the Poms are back in their humourless rut. The fun was nice while it lasted.

  50. rickw

    Daily dose of Vietnam!

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    Unashamed fanboi(!) of Spooner.

    Reminiscent of the Python classic line:

    ‘I don’t want to go on the cart’

  52. Mater

    How’s my dedicated thread going on your blog, Bob?
    Are you keeping the grass cut and the edges trimmed?
    It bares my name, so I’d appreciate it if you kept it presentable.

  53. rickw

    CHAZ / CHOP body count continues:

  54. calli

    I hope it doesn’t bare anything else, Mater! 😂

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    Three comments not from the blog ‘owner’ in eight weeks, Mater.

    That’s how it’s going.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    His own version of blog censorship makes the CCP look like Woodstock.

  57. Mater

    BTW, I don’t much care for the Mark Twain quote. It doesn’t seem appropriate.
    Perhaps this:

    O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive! – Walter Scott

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers again forgets that Trump is actually reducing troops in war zones like Vietnam, oops sorry, Afghanistan. It’s his Obama generals that resist. The outcry from these people when he announced the force reduction in Germany was amusing.

    The Lincoln Project is like WaPo. WaPo’s slogan is Democracy Dies In Darkness, which for them is an aim. Conway and colleagues seem to want to bury Lincoln and his Republican legacy forever. Why else would they endorse Biden?

  59. Cassie of Sydney...

    “rickw
    #3499453, posted on June 30, 2020 at 7:03 am
    CHAZ / CHOP body count continues:”

    Nice to see CHAZ / CHOP descend so quickly into a failed Marxist / Socialist paradise state of murder and mayhem. I mean it has taken less than a month…geez even Lenin would be proud of these useful idiots.

    And…of course the Marxist/Socialist paradise of CHAZ/CHOP is confirming that only “some” black lives matter.

    And in further overnight news…..Stefan Molyneux has been banned from Youtube in the last few hours…so the purge continues at a rather busy pace.

  60. 1735099

    How’s my dedicated thread going

    Much as I expected, nobody’s really interested in your obsession.
    BTW it’s “bears” , not “bares”, unless that was some kind of Freudian slip.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    Nick Kyrgios has gone all scoldy on his peers, by which I mean multi-millionaire tennis types who’ve never had jobs.

    Maybe they were all in Aspen or some other richie cluster hotspot. Anyway, he’s sooking about them behaving like normal people, which is sort of understandable because Kyrgios ain’t normal one little bit.

  62. Cassie of Sydney

    “rickw
    #3499453, posted on June 30, 2020 at 7:03 am
    CHAZ / CHOP body count continues:”

    Nice to see CHAZ / CHOP descend so quickly into a failed Marxist / Socialist paradise state of murder and mayhem. I mean it has taken less than a month…geez even Lenin would be proud of these useful idiots.

    And…of course the Marxist/Socialist paradise of CHAZ/CHOP is confirming that only “some” black lives matter.

    And in further overnight news…..Stefan Molyneux, who has been on the platform for over a decade, has been banned from Youtube in the last few hours…so the purge continues at a rather busy pace.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Much as I expected, nobody’s really interested in your obsession.’

    Judging by the comment count, that statement’s a perfect fit for your own blog.

  64. rickw

    In summary, it was not possible to Sheean’s gun to fire under water, but there seems every evidence he fired until the last second possible.

    I wouldn’t make this claim without doing a test, particularly with such a simple mechanism and given that the breach could fill up with gas and continue to be filled with gas from subsequent firings.

  65. rickw

    And in further overnight news…..Stefan Molyneux, who has been on the platform for over a decade, has been banned from Youtube in the last few hours…so the purge continues at a rather busy pace.

    Trump needs to give what these tech wankers what they have been begging for, break them up.

  66. Mater

    BTW it’s “bears” , not “bares”, unless that was some kind of Freudian slip.

    Freudian? You mean, like this?

    There’s squalor, but it’s cheerful scholar, unlike what I saw in the US rust belt which is menacing.

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    Good discussion overnight on Sheean.

    Regardless of whether his cannon was firing underwater or not, several credible accounts have him being wounded by nipper aircraft fire* at least once, then either thought ‘fuck it’ or the red mist came down, went back to his gun, strapped himself in as the main gunner because the crews were cross-trained, and ensuring he would never get out, and:

    At best, brought at one of the swine down before the ship went down, and him with it; or
    At worst, kept the pricks away from strafing his mates in the water until he died himself.

    Someone said a few weeks back, and it’s a valid point I suppose that if they gave Sheean his VC now then everyone would want one.

    But here are multiple undisputed accounts of bravery, that when compared to other citations for people that were awarded bits of Russian cannon were at least equal and greater than some. Surely a gummint can admit an admin cockup from 80 years ago?

    *Note – not wounded from falling blanket stacks.

  68. Mater

    Much as I expected, nobody’s really interested in your obsession.

    Well, what do you expect when you introduce the thread with a non-controversial, completely obvious statement.

    An anonymous commenter on Catallaxy insists that I’m a liar

    There appears nothing much to talk about.

  69. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mater
    #3499471, posted on June 30, 2020 at 7:27 am”

    Thanks Mater. Honestly….he is an embarrassment.

  70. Mater

    I hope it doesn’t bare anything else, Mater! 😂

    Calli, get your mind out of the gutter. It’s not that sort of blog!

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    Charles Dickens is next.

    Charles Dickens museum in Kent vandalised by ex-Green councillor decrying author ‘racist’ (29 Jun)

    Billy Shakespeare certain to be in the firing line with Othello and whatnot.

  72. Cassie of Sydney

    The Gadfather nails it…

  73. Knuckle Dragger

    Crikey Bruce.

    How low does one have to sink to be an ‘ex-Green councillor’?

    Talk about rock bottom.

  74. Well, what do you expect when you introduce the thread with a non-controversial, completely obvious statement.

    You’re free to introduce any comment you like, as controversial and subtle as you want.
    Lost your moxie?

  75. mh

    Dow up nearly 600 points.

  76. Gab

    Dettol Donny is still President, unlike that loser carrying on ad infinitum about Vietnam.

    The hate is very strong in him.

  77. Herodotus

    Caroline Overington has over-egged on some female indigene journo who is doing a Yasmin Abdel-Magied on (of all places) SBS.
    Bunch of racists, apparently!

  78. Mater

    Lost your moxie?

    Does it look that way this morning?

  79. Cassie of Sydney

    “Lost your moxie?”

    Oh dear….so writes a debased peasant and pervert….and to think he taught children…especially female children.

  80. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mater
    #3499497, posted on June 30, 2020 at 8:05 am
    Lost your moxie?

    Does it look that way this morning?”

    Mater he’s clearly showing his fetishes.

  81. mh

    It’s not just poor old RamBob stuck in the past. CNN too:

    CNN’s Ryan Lizza to Kayleigh McEnany: ‘Does the President Believe It Was a Good Thing That the South Lost the Civil War?’

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/06/29/watch-cnn-ryan-lizza-to-kayleigh-mcenany-does-the-president-believe-it-was-a-good-thing-that-the-south-lost-the-civil-war/

  82. Maj

    Sen. Grassley said Fox News failed Trump with second-term agenda question, isn’t working to get him re-elected

    WASHINGTON – Senator Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, expressed frustration with last week’s Fox News’ town hall with President Donald Trump, saying the network wasn’t working hard enough to get him reelected.

    Grassley told Capitol Hill reporters on Monday that all he wants is for Trump to be reelected.

    “I would blame Fox more than I blame the president, because the president, it’s easy for him to digress here and there, but Hannity — you assume Fox wants him to get reelected.”

    Grassley took particular issue with Fox News host Sean Hannity, for not pressing Trump during the town hall to answer a question about his agenda for a second term more directly.

    The exchange began when Hannity asked Trump: “What’s at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what are your top priority items for a second term?”

    Trump answered by talking about his experience and then moving on to criticize his former national security adviser, John Bolton, without laying out any policy ideas or plans.

    “One of the things that will be really great — the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I’ve always said that — but the word experience is a very important word, a very important meaning,” Trump said, adding that while he was a New York developer, he didn’t know many of Washington’s players and rarely visited the capital.

    “Now I know everybody and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like an idiot like (former national security adviser John) Bolton, all he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody, you don’t have to drop bombs on everybody, you don’t have to kill people,” the president said.

    Hannity never pushed the president for the specifics on a second-term agenda.

    Asked what his top priorities for a second term are, Trump can’t name a single thing pic.twitter.com/fF6xXaDAy0
    — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 26, 2020

    When asked about Trump’s answer, Grassley said, “Okay, so he says what’s your plans for the next four years? So the President starts to answer it. And then digresses a little bit. Hannity should have got him back on the subject. So it’s pretty simple: I just want the president to be re-elected.”

    Grassley’s comments follow a tweet over the weekend from the Iowa Republican where he questioned if Fox News wants Trump reelected and suggested the “most important” question to ask centers on “four more years of draining the swamp.”

    Does FOXNews want Trump Re-elected?Watched Hannity/Trump interview/KEY QUESTION”What goals in next term?Trump starts answer/gets off point and Hannity helps digress and that’s end of the most important Q to get FOUR MORE YEARS OF DRAINING THE SWAMP &Justices
    — ChuckGrassley (@ChuckGrassley) June 27, 2020

    The criticisms from Grassley follow him publicly encouraging Trump to consider the warnings in an opinion piece by the Wall Street Journal editorial board suggesting Trump could serve one term.

    “Will somebody w access to the Oval Office read the WSJ editorial ‘The Trump Referendum’ to President Trump,” Grassley wrote in a tweet on Friday. “We won’t hv more good scotus justices or the best economy in 50 years like we hv had if he doesn’t follow that advice.”

    Trump is currently trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden in six crucial swing states – all of which Trump won in 2016 – according to a New York Times/Siena College poll released Thursday.

    The poll found Biden is ahead of Trump 47%-36% in Michigan, 49%-38% in Wisconsin, 50%-40% in Pennsylvania, 47%-41% in Florida, 48%-41% in Arizona and 49%-40% in North Carolina.

    With the 2020 election is still more than four months away, those states could help decide the winner.

    Despite the criticism following his answer, Trump touted the ratings from his Fox News town hall, asserting in a tweet that the ratings “are the real polls.”

    Do not believe the Fake News Media. Oklahoma speech had the highest Saturday television ratings in @FoxNews history. @seanhannity dominated T.V. with my interview on Thursday night, more than @CNN & MSDNC COMBINED. These are the real polls, the Silent Majority, not FAKE POLLS!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 27, 2020

    Grassley said some of the reasons he wanted to see Trump win reelection include “things that he’s done like challenging China” and “getting strict constructionists on the Supreme Court. I want that to continue.”

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    Wuhan really is overachieving lately.

    83 Tons Of Fake Gold Bars: Gold Market Rocked By Massive China Counterfeiting Scandal (29 Jun)

    And yes, not only does it involve China, but it emerges from a city that has become synonymous for all that is scandalous about China: Wuhan itself.

    With that preamble in mind, we introduce readers to Wuhan Kingold Jewelry Inc., a company which as the name implies was founded and operates out of Wuhan, and which describes itself on its website as “A Company with a Golden future.”

    In retrospect, it probably meant “copper” future, because as a remarkable expose by Caixin has found, more than a dozen Chinese financial institutions, mainly trust companies (i.e., shadow banks) loaned 20 billion yuan ($2.8 billion) over the past five years to Wuhan Kingold Jewelry with pure gold as collateral and insurance policies to cover any losses. There was just one problem: the “gold” turned out to be gold-plated copper.

    The fake gold came to light in February when Dongguan Trust (one of those infamous Chinese shadow banks) set out to liquidate Kingold collateral to cover defaulted debts. As the report continues, in late 2019 Kingold failed to repay investors in several trust products. To its shock, Dongguan Trust said it discovered that the gleaming gold bars were actually gilded copper alloy.

    “All that glisters is not gold” — William Shakespeare, soon to be unpersoned.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    Wuhan really is overachieving lately.

    83 Tons Of Fake Gold Bars: Gold Market Rocked By Massive China Counterfeiting Scandal (29 Jun)

    And yes, not only does it involve China, but it emerges from a city that has become synonymous for all that is scandalous about China: Wuhan itself.

    With that preamble in mind, we introduce readers to Wuhan Kingold Je welry Inc., a company which as the name implies was founded and operates out of Wuhan, and which describes itself on its website as “A Company with a Golden future.”

    In retrospect, it probably meant “copper” future, because as a remarkable expose by Caixin has found, more than a dozen Chinese financial institutions, mainly trust companies (i.e., shadow banks) loaned 20 billion yuan ($2.8 billion) over the past five years to Wuhan Kingold Je welry with pure gold as collateral and insurance policies to cover any losses. There was just one problem: the “gold” turned out to be gold-plated copper.

    The fake gold came to light in February when Dongguan Trust (one of those infamous Chinese shadow banks) set out to liquidate Kingold collateral to cover defaulted debts. As the report continues, in late 2019 Kingold failed to repay investors in several trust products. To its shock, Dongguan Trust said it discovered that the gleaming gold bars were actually gilded copper alloy.

    “All that glisters is not gold” — William Shakespeare, soon to be unpersoned.

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    Hmm……

    “Germany uncovers peterfile ring of 30,000

    Just days after a shocking study showed that Berlin authorities supported homeless boys being placed in foster care with known peterfiles, the German state of North Rhine Westphalia has uncovered a dark internet ring of 30,000 peterfiles who shared child p*rnography and exchanged tips how to sedate and abuse young children.

    Officials from the North-Rhine Westphalia cyber crime unit said on Monday it had uncovered deeply disturbing online child abuse after a nine month investigation.

    “I hadn’t reckoned with the extent of child abuse on the internet,” said state Justice Minister Peter Beisenbach.

    ”They get instructions from other users on what sedatives one should give children in order to abuse them. “A discussion ensues on which children can be abused.’’

    Mr Beisenbach added he was shocked at what has been found.

    “I felt sick when I heard it but it has also made us more determined to pursue this inquiry,’’ he said. “I fear it is going to be more than 30,000 suspects.”

    Earlier this month, a preliminary finding from the University of Hildesheim found West Berlin authorities routinely placed homeless children under the care of single peterfile men, under a scheme known as the “Kentler Project’’ from the late 1960s up until 2002.

    The project was advocated by a so-called expert, the psychology professor and sexologist Helmut Kentler, who promoted single men, even those with previous sex offences, as being ideal foster parents.

    Incredibly, the view by officials at the Office for Children and Youth (Jugendamt), was that the homeless children were better off as they no longer lived on the street, were not placed in an orphanage, and peterfiles would stop looking for victims because Kentler advocated caring for youngsters would heal them of their deviant behaviour.

    The study has found that three carers of young boys had been convicted of sex crimes. Kentler, who is now dead, had set up the system with the knowledge of various individuals in the Berlin government.

    The study says in 1989 Kentler even wrote about the experiment, claiming he was able to win over the responsible senate official to his ideas.

    Victims of the Kentler scheme have not been able to claim any redress for the abuse they suffered because the statute of limitations has expired. The study reports that there is “a great anger and bewilderment’’ from foster boys and in particular what went on at one foster home of Fritz H.

    Also this month, a peterfile ring of 11 people was uncovered in the German city of Munster with three victims aged five, 10 and 12.

    Reminds me of a case here that the ABC initially gushed over…yet when it broke…silence.

  86. Cassie of Sydney

    “Herodotus
    #3499496, posted on June 30, 2020 at 8:05 am
    Caroline Overington has over-egged on some female indigene journo who is doing a Yasmin Abdel-Magied on (of all places) SBS.
    Bunch of racists, apparently!”

    I read the piece and laughed….hysterical.

  87. Des Deskperson

    ‘Charles Dickens is next.’

    “[Dickens] supported the Morant Bay Rebellion* in Jamaica in 1865”

    No he didn’t he supported its savage repression.’ The Greens vandal is an idiot.

    Dickens certainly didn’t like the lower orders of any race getting too uppity.

    *the subject to the best Reggae song ever!!

  88. Entropy

    I am very uncomfortable with a politician expecting a media outlet to be in the box for their side.

  89. Gilas

    Good to see that numbnutz lives rent-free in most Cats’ heads.
    He’s the Pavlov to Pavlov’s many dogs, not Cats.

    Quite remarkable.

  90. Mater

    I am very uncomfortable with a politician expecting a media outlet to be in the box for their side.

    #metoo

  91. Mater

    Good to see that numbnutz lives rent-free in most Cats’ heads.

    Sorry Gilas, the evidence doesn’t support that.
    I now have a dedicated thread on Bob’s blog.
    I think it might be the other way around.

  92. Dave in Marybrook

    That delicate Flora and Fauna, Linda Burney, has demanded an apology from the PM because he had the cruelty to point out that higher welfare payments disincentivise people returning to work. On behalf of the delicate faithful and hardworking bludgers who are cruising on the $1500, and want more.
    Demanded an apology. Gawd, the bar for offence is set low these days.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    “Entropy
    #3499510, posted on June 30, 2020 at 8:36 am
    I am very uncomfortable with a politician expecting a media outlet to be in the box for their side.”

    Agree.

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyone short of toilet paper need only exchange their dollars into Zimbabwe’s latest currency.

    Zimbabwe Shutters Stock Exchange, Blocks All Mobile Money Payments As Currency Collapses (Again) (29 Jun)

    A national currency, the Zimbabwe dollar or Zimdollar, was reintroduced in 2019, replacing a basket of national currencies including the Japanese Yen, the US dollar and pound sterling. To force citizens to leave the previous system, the government banned the domestic use of foreign currencies. But – with the government mired in corruption scandals – it swiftly lost ground to the US dollar. This is the fifth time in Zimbabwe’s history that its national currency has collapsed.

    Meanwhile, inflation has risen above 750%.

    Funny how that works. Zim chaps, have you ever considered trying something different?

  95. mh

    Bob Whit taker writes about his re-entry problems after coming home to Australia. He encountered many of the same sorts of prejudices that Americans did when they returned home from the Vietnam War. He had no brass band waiting for him in Toowoomba.

    Can we organise a brass band for Jellybean?

    It’s worth a shot.

  96. Cassie of Sydney

    “lotocoti
    #3499519, posted on June 30, 2020 at 8:47 am
    Darling boy gets told.”

    Thanks for that….darling privileged white boy gets told.

  97. Geriatric Mayfly

    “All that glisters is not gold” — William Shakespeare, soon to be unpersoned.

    There is hope. He will never be deplatformed.

  98. Top Ender

    SBS ‘racism’ drove indigenous writer to ‘suicidal thoughts’
    CAROLINE OVERINGTON

    Australian screenwriter Kodie Bedford has described a deeply racist workplace culture at SBS, where she started her career as a cadet journalist.

    Bedford, now a writer for ABC TV hit Mystery Road, has written a long essay in the form of a Twitter thread, saying she and other indigenous cadets were made to feel like “dopey blackfellas in the corner, ticking boxes” during her time at the multicultural broadcaster.

    They endured jokes about alcoholism and had their accents mocked, she said.

    In a thread called “My First Career”, Bedford, who uses the name “Ms Kodie” and “Aunty Kodie” on Twitter, says “it has taken me a long time to get over, because I still carry trauma and feel sick about it”, but with colleagues and others sharing their stories as part of the Black Lives Matter movement, she wanted to “add my voice”.

    “I won out a journalist cadetship with SBS,” she began. “I only mention SBS because it’s touted as a champion of diverse voices.

    “It wasn’t a champion for me. I still believe in the SBS charter and mission and personally think they have the best content in (Australia) and a lot of good people in the newsroom.”

    But she said she was made to endure “jokes” about alcohol and forced to clean up her desk like a child, in front of other staff, even though desks of colleagues were messier. She said indigenous staff were mocked for their accents, and encouraged to re-do their scripts over and over, as if they couldn’t speak English properly.

    “I started out as a pretty solid journalist. I could string a story together pretty quickly. By the end of two years, my writing was worse, my self-esteem destroyed, I had suicidal thoughts.”

    A graduate of the University of Western Australia with a bachelor of communications and a masters in creative writing from the University of Technology Sydney, Bedford started at SBS in 2008. She said other cadets in her intake were introduced as “the cadets” while she was often introduced as “Kodie, the indigenous cadet”.

    “It’s always stayed with me,” she said. “And then Walkley season would happen. Awards were given out to white journos telling our stories. We had a running joke about the way non-indigenous journos would do a stint at our program and leave with a Walkley.”

    She said she was subjected to “continual micro-aggressive racist comments, the only way I can describe them”. “I was told I was one of the good ones,” Bedford said.

    She said she was told she “had an attitude problem” when she started to “get short” with the person making racist comments.

    She put a post on her Facebook page saying “I faced racism today”. She was called into her superior’s office and told to take it down “even though I didn’t mention names or that it was at work”. She said “no one cared about the racism …It was more about protecting that person and the company.”

    She said a non-indigenous journalist did the “white-fragility thing and made themselves the victim. Us Aboriginal journalists were the ones being horrible to non-indigenous staff. They threatened to sue me.”

    “The only support I got was from Aboriginal colleagues. Some of us speak about the trauma we still carry. We want T-shirts; ‘I survived as an Aboriginal journalist’.” She finished the thread saying: “I want to end on a positive. One of my colleagues went to work for a different media organisation and won a Walkley (they supported them entering). It was proof we were good.”

    SBS has been approached for comment.

    Oz print edition

  99. Cassie of Sydney

    Kol hakavod to this young priest in St Louis…..for facing the mob and telling them a few inconvenient facts…

    “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL5-AEwDqTg

  100. Geriatric Mayfly

    Angling porn. Fish in their hundreds taking on Brooks Falls, Alaska this morning and not a bear in sight.

  101. Gilas

    Mater
    #3499515, posted on June 30, 2020 at 8:43 am

    Good to see that numbnutz lives rent-free in most Cats’ heads.

    Sorry Gilas, the evidence doesn’t support that.

    Really??
    There must be a new definition of evidence, that I wasn’t aware of.

  102. Cassie of Sydney

    I’ll try again…

  103. Boambee John

    BTW it’s “bears” , not “bares”, unless that was some kind of Freudian slip.

    The pompous, pedanty, petty, pettifogging, pedantic, pedant strikes again!

  104. Roger

    Australian screenwriter Kodie Bedford has described a deeply racist workplace culture at SBS, where she started her career as a cadet journalist.

    Shut it down.

  105. mh

    SBS ‘racism’ drove indigenous writer to ‘suicidal thoughts’
    CAROLINE OVERINGTON

    It’s not just aboriginals.
    SBS Viceland tonight is showing The Godfather part 111.
    More ethnic stereotypes from SBS.

  106. Struth

    In a way the Chinese Communist Party actually are responsible for the Covid-1984 masquerade. Not because they leaked or released some non-existent deadly new virus. No, they started the whole sh*t-show by over-reacting to some cases of the ‘flu with ridiculous Statist extremes. They didn’t export a new virus, they exported economic shut-down, humiliating behaviour controls, and the enforcement of the police state.

    Anyone with half a brain seeing that street theatre with the smoke producing leaf blowers operated by men in space suits should have immediately become suspicious.
    The just signed trade deal they could not get out of unless a pandemic occurred, and the just concluded planning commitee for it’s propaganda spread at the UN’s Event 201 should have had people laughing at it, instead a feminised west shit itself.
    Female hysteria won the day and as we saw with even usually level headed women like Notafan, they just fucking lost the plot and accused people of being nanna killers.

    And we are under the rule by decree socialism that this allows.
    Remember, I’m not having a go at the women, I’m having a go at western men who became so relaxed and cocky, they thought they could afford to let the fearful sex take power.

    We lost our freedom over a cold virus that was used as the threat socialism always uses as an excuse to destroy liberty and freedom.
    How pathetic is that?
    Where were the men over the years who should have been marching down to schools telling the sick fuckers abusing their children sexually via safe schools and the like that another minute of it won’t be worth their lives?
    Not all were working away from home and can blame ignorance.
    They’re your kids.
    Where were the men who calmed their women by taking charge and making them feel secure?

    Where were the men who would not succumb to putting on a government decreed hi viz shirt just to go to work?

    They are not in this country.
    I know about ten all up, and most in farming and trucking.

    You know I used to rave on about hi viz, but it’sbecause it’s symbolic of the level of docile compliance in the western male, but more specifically the Australian male.
    If somebody had told my grandfather to wear a bright yellow shirt before being allowed to come to work, or be chastised for rolling it’s sleeves up, there would have been violence.
    Most of our grandfathers the same.
    We are a pathetic generation of cowardly men in general and we are getting all we deserve.

    Sorry to be angry and bitter.
    But I am angry and bitter, and if you are not, why not?

  107. Dr Faustus

    In Further Golden Gifts to the World news:

    Flu virus with ‘pandemic potential’ found in China

    A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.

    It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.

    They found evidence of recent infection starting in people who worked in abattoirs and the swine industry in China.

    In good news for pandemic control, the scientists who discovered the new contagion are based in Nottingham. As such they are unlikely to be arrested – unless they Facebook something unsupportive about tearing down racist white Jesus images.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘One of my colleagues went to work for a different media organisation and won a Walkley…… It was proof we were good.’

    No, it was dubious proof at best that your colleague was good.

    Way to try and appropriate others’ success based on a shared ethnicity, you parasite.

  109. rickw

    Australian screenwriter Kodie Bedford has described a deeply racist workplace culture at SBS, where she started her career as a cadet journalist.

    The Left accuses everyone else of being what they are.

  110. cohenite

    Ho hum, another day, troll still not dead.

  111. Geriatric Mayfly

    Twitch, a streaming platform owned by Amazon mogul Jeff Bezos, has temporarily banned President Trump’s account for “hateful conduct” stemming from footage of the president’s speeches.

    He’s had it now. What with Interpol after him for the torching of Salamsalami and now Bezos gunning for him, it’s only a matter of time.

  112. cohenite

    lotocoti
    #3499519, posted on June 30, 2020 at 8:47 am
    Darling boy gets told.

    That’s perfect: spoilt, pasty faced white kids who have enjoyed every privilege of the great WESTERN society now intent on destroying it. Cognitive dissonance.

  113. Makka

    spoilt, pasty faced white kids who have enjoyed every privilege of the great WESTERN society now intent on destroying it.

    The fruit of a History free leftist inspired education.

  114. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sorry to be angry and bitter.
    But I am angry and bitter, and if you are not, why not?”

    I am also angry Struth however I’m not bitter as I retain some hope..a hope that is fading somewhat …however we have to fight and fight hard. I am inspired by people like Timothy Gordon…a father of six who lost his job at a fairly exclusive Catholic high school in Los Angeles three weeks ago for tweeting, accurately, that BLM is a terrorist organisation. He argues that we need to fight and I agree with him…and it starts here…even on the Cat…fighting the leftist scum who come here to graze. Some people prefer to turn the other cheek…but I ask…where has that gotten us? Nowhere. I will not turn the other cheek…I will fight and fight hard.

  115. Tom

    Never forget that governments have no money – it is always ours

    ADAM CREIGHTON, economics editor

    Governments have become so pervasive it’s easy to forget they have no money of their own. They fund themselves in two ways: taxation and borrowing.

    Modern Monetary Theory, a set of ideas with growing appeal, especially on the left of politics, posits a third way: simply creating money. Governments can instruct their central banks to create money, which their treasuries can spend on whatever they want, ideally soaking up spare capacity in the economy, so the argument goes. It would be wonderful were this true, but there is no third way.

    MMT is the left-wing version of the extreme supply-side economics of the 1980s that propounded that government could raise tax revenue by lowering taxes.

    If there really were a costless way to finance government spending it would have been discovered by now. In the economic menu of life there are lunches of varying costs, but there are still no free ones. “Money creation” is just another form of borrowing.

    Imagine the government made JobKeeper payments without issuing bonds or raising taxes. The Reserve Bank would have to “create money” by making a loan to the Treasury, recording it as an asset. At the same time these billions in JobKeeper payments would be recorded as an increase in the value of banks’ deposits held with the Reserve Bank, an offsetting liability of the Reserve Bank.

    The private banks in turn would allocate these payments to their customers’ deposit accounts.

    The recipients could spend their JobKeeper payments as they wished, causing money to shift among banks, but in aggregate the banking system cannot get rid of the additional money.

    Meanwhile, the central bank must pay interest on commercial banks’ deposits. So what started out looking like “money creation” ended up being a loan from the private banking system to the central bank, which increased its asset and liabilities in the process.

    This is essentially what has been happening since March, when the Reserve Bank launched its own money creation program — less luridly known as quantitative easing — playing catch-up with central banks overseas, which collectively have created trillions since the global financial crisis.

    To keep up the appearance of independence the Treasury still issues bonds to investors, which then can be purchased by the Reserve Bank. So the Treasury ends up paying the periodic bond coupons to the central bank, which it owns. The Reserve Bank buys the bonds by crediting banks’ accounts at the Reserve Bank, on which it pays interest. Since March the RBA has bought more than $50bn of state and federal government bonds.

    So how do monetary-financed deficits stack up against taxation and issuing bonds? The government sector — the Treasury and central bank combined — does benefit from this charade: it’s paying 0.1 per cent interest on banks’ beefed-up exchange settlement accounts, compared with an alternative of paying 0.25 per cent interest to bondholders, for instance.

    Bank shareholders are worse off because banks are being compelled to hold greater sums as deposits at the central bank, which pays little interest. Quantitative easing is a form of financial repression. Indeed, commercial banks’ deposits at the central bank have swollen from about $60bn in March to $150bn last week. In a world of low interest rates the subsidy isn’t so noticeable.

    After decades of quantitative easing the Bank of Japan’s balance sheet has exploded to more than 100 per cent of Japan’s GDP without kickstarting inflation. The Reserve Bank’s supercharged balance sheet of about $280bn is still only about 15 per cent of Australia’s GDP, suggesting we could go further. Given how economically damaging taxation is, there is a case for borrowing more and taxing less to fund government payments, even if MMT overstates the benefits. Never have people been so willing to lend to governments. Austria issued a 100-year-bond this month at an effective interest rate of 1 per cent, in a currency, euros, which probably won’t exist in 2120.

    But monetary-financed deficits are hardly the panacea MMT advocates think. The US, Japan and Europe have been giving “money creation” a red-hot go for at least a decade without making serious inroads into unemployment.

    And MMT advocates naively place too much faith in the skill of political leaders and policymakers. It would be the death of independent central banks if politicians were setting the scale of money creation. Once unemployment has been eroded by large monetary-financed deficits, policymakers would carefully rein in the ensuing inflation by paring back the budget deficits and lifting taxes, according to MMT. That ignores the political incentives governments face. Once inflation expectations have changed, they are hard to reset.

    The 70s and 80s starkly illustrate that unemployment and inflation can both be high at the same time — and policymakers can’t control the economy. Once the inflation genie is out of the bottle it’s very hard to put back in. We should be grateful inflation is low.

    Link

  116. Struth

    The fruit of a History free leftist inspired education.

    It all starts in the schools.

    Yet are we holding any of these marxist harpies and foul rot infesting our education system to account?
    We moan daily about our Universities while most of their faculties and Deans remain unknown, untouchable and able to continue to operate freely.
    Those that run the journo course and openly attend the communist conventions held in Melbourne and elsewhere.
    Held to no account.
    Under their rocks, the rocks we supply, they hide and do their best to destroy all that gives them the ability to destroy in the first place.
    We moan about our institutions being marched through by the left, but the left are humans (they tell me this) who once inside these institutions and wrecking them seem immune from all accountability to those who pay them.
    Are universities the problem or those individuals that run them.

    And this is my point.
    If we believe in individualism and individual responsibility we need to stop looking at these people as a collective and start systematically looking at the individuals and hold each to account, separated from his or her herd and held to account.
    The leftist hates to be singled out.
    It’s their worst fear.

  117. Mater

    Good to see that numbnutz lives rent-free in most Cats’ heads.
    He’s the Pavlov to Pavlov’s many dogs, not Cats.

    Gilas, I’m normally a fan of your comments and agree with a lot of what you say, but I am curious. Why make such a comment which inevitably puts the wind back in Bob’s sails?

    This is a general question, because it happens a lot, from various different personalities. I’d like to understand the psychology and motivation behind it.
    Please help me.

  118. incoherent rambler

    Tom.
    The Spooner cartoon is a cracker.

  119. Roger

    Noteworthy that Overington’s article divides the SBS workplace into “indigenous” and “non-indigenous”.

    Wasn’t SBS supposed to be about “celebrating our ethnic diversity”? Do we really want to starkly divide Australia into “indigenous” and “non-indigenous”? If we have already arrived at that point, we might wish to rethink it.

    In the US journalism students at Comubia are told to capitalise “Black” but leave “white” all in lower case . The rationale is that Black is an ethnicity while white is simply the skin colour of people whose ancestors came from Europe. Under this rubric, black Americans are posited to have more in common with Africans than with their white fellow citizens.

    These developments stoke the fires of division in multi-ethnic democracies where equality of opportunity and respect for individual rights should be the goal, not special treatment for people classed as belonging to a minority on the basis of their ethnicity. As we see presently in California, that path culminates in pitting ethnic groups against each other in a competition for state largesse and creates a hierarchical system based on grievances rather than giftedness.

    Whatever happened to judging people by their character, not their skin colour, ethnicity or “indigenous” status?

  120. Des Deskperson

    ‘Australian screenwriter Kodie Bedford has described a deeply racist workplace culture at SBS, where she started her career as a cadet journalist.’

    Sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that a contemporaneously ‘woke’ organisation like SBS would be so crude and clumsy – let alone contemptuous of its own public image – to behave in the appalling fashion she described.

    ‘She said a non-indigenous journalist did the “white-fragility thing and made themselves the victim. Us Aboriginal journalists were the ones being horrible to non-indigenous staff. They threatened to sue me.”’

    I find this episode, taking place in any Australian public sector organisation today, particularly hard to credit.

    SBS has an affirmative action programme for the recruitment of Indigenous cadets:

    https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/indigenous-journalist-cadetship-2019-at-special-broadcasting-service-sbs-australia-868116789/?originalSubdomain=au

    on the basis of race over talent. I dunno if this has anything to do with it.

    I emphasise once again that there is a case for affirmative action recruitment for Indigenous Australians suffering real disadvantage. Most of these programmes, however, attract urban middle class Aboriginals.

  121. Bruce of Newcastle

    SBS balkanizing itself amuses me.
    We all know what balkanization did to the Balkans.

  122. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that a contemporaneously ‘woke’ organisation like SBS would be so crude and clumsy – let alone contemptuous of its own public image – to behave in the appalling fashion she described.

    ‘She said a non-indigenous journalist did the “white-fragility thing and made themselves the victim. Us Aboriginal journalists were the ones being horrible to non-indigenous staff. They threatened to sue me.”’

    I find this episode, taking place in any Australian public sector organisation today, particularly hard to credit.”

    Ah..I agree DD…it reeks of attention seeking…and of course, as we know, the best way to get attention is to screech and scream waaaaciiiiism…particularly in current climate.

  123. Interesting exchange –

    Good to see that numbnutz lives rent-free in most Cats’ heads.

    Sorry Gilas, the evidence doesn’t support that.
    I now have a dedicated thread on Bob’s blog.
    I think it might be the other way around.

    And –

    Gilas, I’m normally a fan of your comments and agree with a lot of what you say, but I am curious. Why make such a comment which inevitably puts the wind back in Bob’s sails?

    The evidence supports the notion that Mater (and a few others) are more interested in making faux mug lairs of themselves than they are in genuine discussion. There’s no substance, but a great deal of playing to the gallery.

    Also laid bare is the bizarre and adolescent notion that the blog is about competition for brownie points, rather than discussion.

    Deprived of the gallery it fizzles.
    With the peanut gallery present, it becomes a classical circle jerk (excuse the transpacific expression and confronting imagery).

  124. EvilElvis

    If we believe in individualism and individual responsibility we need to stop looking at these people as a collective and start systematically looking at the individuals and hold each to account, separated from his or her herd and held to account.
    The leftist hates to be singled out.

    And there is the problem, Struth. The fight starts at home. The Cat is a great example. Many here, lovely folk that they are, can’t or won’t take the fight to their ‘friends’ or family, they are so attached to some romantic fantasy that their acquaintances and loved ones are just misguided so it’s ok to stay quiet, it’s ok to let bygones be bygones in the hope for a quiet life. While the false pretense of friendship flickers at each bbq or dinner party or drinks catch up, the conservative will go home breathing a sigh of relief that it’s over, their ‘friends’ go home fired up having educated their social circle flock yet again, invigorated to vote against them and virtue signal strongly against them.

  125. mh

    I’m leaving Seattle for Texas so my employees can be free: Billion dollar business owner

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/leaving-seattle-texas-employees-free

    If the workforce is moving too, the business owner may want to suggest to his employees to stop voting Democrat.

  126. cohenite

    Twitter just suspended Sidney Powell, Flynn’s lawyer. Apparently Bongino is a part owner of Parler which I am finding hard to sign up to.

  127. William the Conjuror

    Lost your moxie?

    Does it look that way this morning?

    Yes it does. Did last night too when you went to water. Barber’s cat describes you well.

  128. Cassie of Sydney

    “And there is the problem, Struth. The fight starts at home. The Cat is a great example. Many here, lovely folk that they are, can’t or won’t take the fight to their ‘friends’ or family, they are so attached to some romantic fantasy that their acquaintances and loved ones are just misguided so it’s ok to stay quiet, it’s ok to let bygones be bygones in the hope for a quiet life. While the false pretense of friendship flickers at each bbq or dinner party or drinks catch up, the conservative will go home breathing a sigh of relief that it’s over, their ‘friends’ go home fired up having educated their social circle flock yet again, invigorated to vote against them and virtue signal strongly against them.”

    Well said.

  129. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #3499567, posted on June 30, 2020 at 9:57 am
    Twitter just suspended Sidney Powell, Flynn’s lawyer. Apparently Bongino is a part owner of Parler which I am finding hard to sign up to.”

    Me too…I tried to sign up last night but couldn’t….quite frustrating.

  130. Top Ender

    I just went and had a look for the Caroline Overington story, and the Oz is not allowing comments under it.

    Not surprising why.

    The account of the “journalist” is so dodgy it’s surprising it’s not out selling motors as Arthur Daley Cars.

    ” mocked for pronouncing “aunty” as a blackfella would “aun-ee””

    – sure, right. Where is this so pronounced? All same around Australia?

    ““Comments were made about my looks. Apparently, I looked more Aboriginal on certain days.”

    – this at the oh so woke SBS?

    For someone with two degrees her written English is rather odd:

    – “There were jokes about made about alcohol. I was shame.

    – “I had just go back from a trip and tapes and papers were everywhere.”

    – “nothing was ever said bout my desk until I complained about racism in the office.”

    Sure, right.

  131. Cassie of Sydney

    I see the collector of human skin suits is back.

  132. cohenite

    The troll proving once again that it is a loathsome shit. Why it’s hateful presence is tolerated is beyond me. The Isher Principle I guess but we don’t have those sorts of weapons and as EvilElvis noted this is what is letting conservatism down: pretending there are rules when dealing with the left and affording them the very rights they will deprive the non-left of.

  133. Mater

    The evidence supports the notion that Mater (and a few others) are more interested in making faux mug lairs of themselves than they are in genuine discussion.

    Bob,
    Genuine discussion implies honest discussion. That’s proved elusive with you.

    Yes it does. Did last night too when you went to water. Barber’s cat describes you well.

    Grigs,
    Interesting take, but a very general reference. Specifics please!

  134. Cassie of Sydney

    “pretending there are rules when dealing with the left and affording them the very rights they will deprive the non-left of.”

    That’s right……and as I write Youtube and Twitter are purging conservatives….so yes, being nice and applying Queensbury rules has really paid off..hasn’t it?

  135. Bruce of Newcastle

    Twitter just suspended Sidney Powell, Flynn’s lawyer.

    From WUWT today:

    Facebook and Twitter stocks tank as users and advertisers abandon the platforms.

    Some similar and inconvenient stock numbers to report.

    FYI I recently moved to Parler given how I’ve apparently been “shadowbanned” by Twitter, and you can find me there @wattsupwiththat

    Trickle now flood. Several more bannings this week already.

  136. Bob,
    Genuine discussion implies honest discussion. That’s proved elusive with you.

    Go for it…

  137. H B Bear

    ‘NamBob triggered.

  138. Mater

    Go for it…

    Sinclair Davidson
    #750911, posted on March 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Numbers – your refusal to accept evidence and common sense displays a limitation on your part.

  139. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I just went and had a look for the Caroline Overington story, and the Oz is not allowing comments under it.

    They allowed comments when that story first ran, suddenly they all disappeared down the memory hole…

  140. Makka

    http://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/06/29/do-you-know-this-woman-black-lives-matters-leaders-sure-do/

    BLM is a ter rorist organisation and their supporters re advocating for ter rorism. This article exposes one of their evil icons.

  141. mh

    Pinochet knew how to deal with a leftist putcsh – give them a taste of leftism.

  142. incoherent rambler

    Potentially, he was a great blogger.

  143. Neil

    That’s right……and as I write Youtube and Twitter are purging conservatives…

    I have been banned from The Guardian and Twitter. I think that says a lot about the people who run those organisations. Most probably just as well i got banned. I always lose arguments.

  144. Blog of doom

    Love it!

    Anonymous said…
    I love your work on the blog of doom. Hilarious and the fools at the leading libertarian and centre right blog continue to be unaware of how they reveal their problematic personalities.

    Some of them must have been badly abused as children to have grown into such sad and abusive people. One really wonders at the effort some of them go to to point out how bad other people are and be amazed at the effort they make to believe in their own superiority.

    30 June 2020 at 08:18

  145. JC

    cohenite
    #3499567, posted on June 30, 2020 at 9:57 am

    Twitter just suspended Sidney Powell, Flynn’s lawyer. Apparently Bongino is a part owner of Parler which I am finding hard to sign up to.

    1. Learn to code, or
    2. They probably don’t want you there.

  146. incoherent rambler

    start systematically looking at the individuals and hold each to account

    Can’t do it. Not enough helicopters.

  147. Oh come on

    Piers Morgan left ‘unable to breathe or talk’ after spending all weekend sick in bed

    Perfect. Well, not quite. If his hands seized up at the same time meaning he wasn’t able to tweet out COVID-19 hysteria, now that would be perfect.

  148. C.L.

    Antifa moron grabs cop’s rifle – gets a beautiful punch in the head for his trouble:

    https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1277450341240516608

  149. Farmer Gez

    1735099
    #3499593, posted on June 30, 2020 at 10:26 am
    Blog of doom

    Love it!

    Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.

  150. Good morning all.
    SBS, lol. Seems Ms Bedford isn’t the only one.

  151. Infidel Tiger King

    Rob Edwards
    @RobertDEdwards
    JUST IN: St. Louis attorneys Mark and Patricia McCloskey release a statement, through an attorney, saying they support Black Lives Matter and they acted lawfully on their property. The couple, through their attorney, says “the agitators responsible for the trepidation were white”

    Sad.

  152. Oh come on

    Never forget that governments have no money – it is always ours

    This is silly. They have money – they take ours. Then it becomes theirs. Don’t believe me? Try taking it back as if it were yours.

  153. Johno

    Sniffy you have an inability to admit you are wrong. The other day you wrote that American troops on R&R in Australia made fools of themselves when they drank our beer which was stronger than their own. I pointed out to you that we measured the alcohol content by volume, they measure by weight. So, an Ozzie beer at 4.8% was equivalent to an American beer at 3.8%. Instead of admitting you were wrong you went all sookie LaLa and said that I always disagreed with you out of spite. I think you said that I would disagree if you said “the sky is blue. You then went sob sob and flounced off.
    You just looked at the percentage on a can of beer and made up a story to denigrate the Americans. You were wrong, admit it.

  154. C.L.

    “She’s kicking the swan…”

    I’m quite serious about this: the current generation of young people is severely mentally ill…

    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1277231014033539075

  155. Mark A

    1735099
    #3499578, posted on June 30, 2020 at 10:15 am

    Bob,
    Genuine discussion implies honest discussion. That’s proved elusive with you.

    Go for it…

    Shyte, now he talks to himself!

    Bob be aware that mannerism is hard to disguise, be at least more inventive-imaginative.

  156. Johno

    Sniffy socks his own blog!!!! Bad sniffy. Down boy, down!!!!!

  157. Infidel Tiger King

    Peter Baker
    @peterbakernyt
    · 10h
    Supreme Court strikes down a Louisiana law that could have left the state with a single abortion clinic, with Roberts again joining the four liberal justices. ⁦@adamliptak⁩ https://nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/supreme-court-abortion-louisiana.html?

    The enormity of GWB’s Presidency is staggering.

    His admin got every single thing wrong.

  158. C.L.

    Justice Roberts has become one of America’s most revolting moral cowards.

  159. Infidel Tiger King

    Roberts claimed stare decisis on a case that he dissented on 4 years ago.

    Creating a super legislature out of a court is the worst thing that has happened to the US and why its political system is crumbling.

  160. Ellen of Tasmania

    Struth,

    Teacher’s Unions are incredibly powerful. Governments aren’t brave enough to stand up to them because two-income parents can’t live without the free baby-sitting service.

    We are no longer a culture that delays gratification for better outcomes later on. We don’t want to go through a difficult time to work for a better future. So we get the schools, the currency, the regulations and laws that fall upon us. Remember, when anyone tries to warn people about ‘where this is headed’ they are accused of slippery slope stupidity – even when the warnings prove true.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    Justice Roberts has become one of America’s most revolting moral cowards.

    He did give Trump a win overnight though.

    Supreme Court rules Obama/Warren Wall Street cop is illegal

    Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., writing the key opinion in the 5-4 ruling, said Congress went too far when it created the CFPB with a single director, appointed for a five-year term, who controls an independent budget and cannot be fired by the president without good cause.

    “The Constitution requires that such officials remain dependent on the president, who in turn is accountable to the people,” the chief justice wrote.

    But rather than strike down the entire agency, he said the problems could be fixed by treating the CFPB director like any other officer who is removable at the president’s whim.

    “If the director were removable at will by the president, the constitutional violation would disappear,” the chief justice wrote.

    Fancy Obama doing something illegal! I thought he was the cleanest President since, well, evah.

  162. johanna

    I am puzzled by the former SBS intern’s complaint that people committed racist aggression towards her by pronouncing ‘aunty’ as ‘aunnie’ as if that was how all Aboriginal people say it.

    All the Aboriginal people I have ever known (predominantly people from NSW) clearly enunciate the ‘t’ in aunty.

    Maybe that’s how she pronounced it, but it is ludicrous to suggest that it was some kind of racist attack on the way Aboriginal people as a whole speak.

    I suspect that she was an obnoxious little bint, and people at the office might have disliked her personality, and the fact that she was a quota hire with a chip on her shoulder, plus a vastly inflated sense of her own ability.

  163. Bruce of Newcastle

    Creating a super legislature out of a court is the worst thing that has happened to the US and why its political system is crumbling.

    But IT, Mr Justice Roberts says there are no Obama judges.
    Which seems contradicted by reality quite a lot recently.
    Crumbling upwards methinks.
    The real super legislature is individual beak in Hawaii or wherever putting nationwide injunctions on anything the Left dislikes.

  164. Cassie of Sydney

    “We are no longer a culture that delays gratification for better outcomes later on. We don’t want to go through a difficult time to work for a better future. So we get the schools, the currency, the regulations and laws that fall upon us. Remember, when anyone tries to warn people about ‘where this is headed’ they are accused of slippery slope stupidity – even when the warnings prove true.”

    Great comment Ellen.

  165. Eyrie

    Re the alleged SBS racism: Crying racism and/or sexism seems to be the first resort of the incompetent and/or clueless when called out.

  166. Eyrie

    I thought the advertising strike against Twitter and Facrbook was because they aren’t censoring anything but left wing opinion hard enough?

  167. Mark A

    Eyrie
    #3499626, posted on June 30, 2020 at 11:05 am

    I thought the advertising strike against Twitter and Facrbook was because they aren’t censoring anything but left wing opinion hard enough?

    The way I’ve read it, it was by woke companies wanting right wing opinions banned more vigorously?

  168. Eyrie

    That’s what I thought, Mark A

  169. Diogenes

    ALP Governments aren’t brave enough to stand up to them

    I fixes it.
    In NSW at least the Govt has the union by the short & curlies. In the 9 years I have been teaching we have been getting our 2.5% inflation increases, but we have lost conditions and although f2f time has remained the same , the administrivia has increased to consume our ‘prep’ periods.

    Treasury loves it when we go on strike, saves the budget 10m a day, and the govt loves the fact that we greatly annoy parents.

  170. cohenite

    1. Learn to code, or
    2. They probably don’t want you there.

    1 I have coders.
    2 I can believe it. I’ve been banned from so many places. I’m so glad I can come here and trade woosies with shiny arsed nincompoops like you.

  171. Cassie of Sydney

    “The way I’ve read it, it was by woke companies wanting right wing opinions banned more vigorously?”

    That is s correct….and they heeding the companies wishes. The great purge is happening.

  172. Anyone up for some Watergate shenanigans? From the Hun:

    ‘Victorian MPs have been briefed on how to sweep their offices for covert recording devices in the fallout of the Adem Somyurek branch stacking affair.’

    Just fucking wow.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dot – I ain’t going to give clicks to da mouthpiece of Lenin, so pls give an excerpt to help us understand the local Stasi thing.

  174. mh

    Michelle Obama – everything must go, including Presidents.

    Michelle Obama

    @MichelleObama
    Heartened to see my alma mater make this change, and even prouder of the students who’ve been advocating for this kind of change on campus for years. Let’s keep finding ways to be more inclusive to all students—at Princeton and at every school across the country.

    Princeton University

    @Princeton
    The #PrincetonU Board of Trustees has voted to remove Woodrow Wilson’s name from the School of Public Policy and International Affairs and residential college. https://bit.ly/2YCctPR

    4:32 AM – Jun 30, 2020

  175. Geriatric Mayfly

    Such is the run of salmon at Brooks Falls, the few bears, in the know, are actually walking on fish. No guile, or effort required. The wasted fish parts tell the story of easy come easy go. $7.00 a small tin at the mart.

  176. jo

    rickw
    #3499448, posted on June 30, 2020 at 6:36 am
    Daily dose of Vietnam!

    I’m so frightened, I could hear it from 50 years ago. It must have been loud.

  177. Oh come on

    JUST IN: St. Louis attorneys Mark and Patricia McCloskey release a statement, through an attorney, saying they support Black Lives Matter and they acted lawfully on their property. The couple, through their attorney, says “the agitators responsible for the trepidation were white”

    Personal injury lawyers, too. No wonder they are so rich!

    My first thought was that it’s a shame they bent the knee to the BLM threat and implied that they only did what they did because the protesters were white. However, St Louis is a violent city and if they don’t show appropriate deference to the BLM brigade, these two might find another bunch of ‘protesters’ who are a lot more heavily armed and who decide to loot and burn down that nice mansion those two lawyers live in.

    So yeah, it would have been nice if they stood their ground in the court of public opinion, but given the current state of law and order in that city, I can understand why they aren’t. That being said, the mob may still come for them and their property, regardless of what they say or do.

  178. mh

    Rogan O’Handley Flag of United States
    @DC_Draino
    In a world that kneels to a violent mob, stand for what’s right

    https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1277348117474664448?s=20

  179. You just looked at the percentage on a can of beer and made up a story to denigrate the Americans. You were wrong, admit it.

    No – I just remember pissed Yanks making fools of themselves.
    Mind you, many of them were up themselves when sober…

  180. Top Ender

    POLICE were called in to stop a large group of about 20 youths lighting fires, throwing rocks and stopping cars on the streets of Alice Springs overnight.

    Southern Watch Commander Shaun Furniss said police in Alice Springs saw an increase in youth disturbances and rock throwing on Monday night.

    “A group of 10-15 youths were reported fighting and throwing objects at cars in Bloomfield St at about 6pm but they had dispersed by the time police arrived,” he said.

    “Another large group of 20 youths were throwing rocks at vehicles and buildings near the intersection of Whittaker and Colson St at about 8.15pm, police responded but the youths had dispersed.

    “At about 11pm we received another report of a group of 20 or so youths near the Stott Tce bridge they were moving towards the CBD, throwing rocks, lighting fires and walking on the roadway stopping cars.

    “Several youths were located, however there was insufficient evidence to show they were the ones creating the disturbance.”

    NT News

  181. zyconoclast

    Bill de Blasio Confirms $1 Billion Cut from NYPD Budget

    “I am excited to say that we have a plan that can achieve real reform, that can achieve real redistribution, and at the same time ensure that we keep our city safe,” De Blasio told reporters, according to Politico.

  182. Roger

    I’m quite serious about this: the current generation of young people is severely mentally ill…

    There are many decent people in the younger generation.

    What some of them lack is not mental competence – that would give them an excuse for their behaviour – but a moral formation.

    Alas, they seem to get all the attention on social media, which amplifies bad behaviour.

  183. Brilliant cars.
    I’ve owned two.
    biggest mistake was selling them.

  184. Infidel Tiger King

    Bill de Blasio Confirms $1 Billion Cut from NYPD Budget

    JC’s apartment is going to be worth less than a cat litter tray once the Dems have finished with NYC.

    Why would you live in an American city controlled by Dems?

  185. Derp

    Ireland’s new Minister for Children.

    Yeah, so what?
    I see consenting adults. I’m sure that picture was not taken in his professional capacity. I

  186. rickw

    This is America:

    Indeed, +100!!

  187. Andreas

    Bill de Blasio Confirms $1 Billion Cut from NYPD Budget

    The Democrat plan is to make their cities unliveable hell holes so their voters flood the rest of the country?

  188. Bundyrum

    ITK, don’t worry about shiny arses apartment, I have some bananas for him.
    Head Prefect, where do I send them?

  189. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Utter disbelief’: The West Australian under fire over racial slurs in cartoon
    By Nathan Hondros and Hamish Hastie
    June 29, 2020 — 7.34pm

    The West Australian newspaper is under fire for publishing a cartoon which refers to an Indigenous character using an offensive racial slur.

    One character in the comic strip said they were being pursued by “four men, all armed … and an Aborigine”, a word which is considered politically incorrect and offensive by some Indigenous people.

    “It’s no use hiding”, another character says before using an even more offensive word referring to Indigenous people. “[He] will smell us out quicker than a bloodhound,” the text continues.

    Aboriginal Legal Service WA chief executive Dennis Eggington said he was in utter disbelief the cartoon was still being published given its offensive and racist overtones.

    “I cannot believe my eyes. Here you have a cartoon from decades ago that is racist and promotes negatives stereotypes. ALSWA works tirelessly to fight against discrimination and I can assure you that this is not a joke and it is totally unacceptable,” he said.

    Mr Eggington said concerns about the comic were not a case of “political correctness gone mad”.

    “This is highly offensive and will not be tolerated by any fair-minded West Australian,” he said.

    “Any publicity that this attracts will be for all the wrong reasons and one would have hoped that the current worldwide Black Lives Matter movement would have had an impact upon published material in this state.”

    ALSWA called on publishers to stop printing the cartoon.

    Curtin University Centre for Aboriginal Studies director and Noongar woman Professor Marion Kickett shared Mr Eggington’s disbelief and said the use of terms such as “Aborigine” were outdated and politically incorrect.

    Ms Kickett described the cartoon as racist and disrespectful.

  190. Bruce

    Basically Dickhead Dan will have stage 2/3 lockdown again after 3 PM if that article is correct and SA, QLD look like folding to that line.

    The National cabinet are persistent buggers.

  191. Gilas

    Mater
    #3499556, posted on June 30, 2020 at 9:42 am

    Good to see that numbnutz lives rent-free in most Cats’ heads.
    He’s the Pavlov to Pavlov’s many dogs, not Cats.

    ..Why make such a comment which inevitably puts the wind back in Bob’s sails?

    Sorry Mater, fixing an old coffee-maker.. just saw your comment.

    Quite simple really… and I don’t believe I was putting the wind back in Bob’s sails.. he/she/it is doing just fine without my help. It’s been over 12 months since I last commented about trolling in general.

    The %age of OTs devoted to Cats responding to numbnutz’s (and Grig-socks’) trolling is remarkable and, given past evidence, has been and is, a total waste of otherwise useful threads.

    The trolling is unashamed, consistent, predictably biased, unchanged in essence etc.. etc.. etc..
    It could be – and maybe it is – written by a bot.
    Yet it elicits interminable, consistent, predictable and essentially boring rebuttals from (?~ 50% of) the Catterati.

    The end result is always the same.. it feeds the creature/s which instead should be totally ignored and starved.

    If any Cat responses have ever made one iota of difference to the trolls’ utterly predictable wrongness, I’ll meander down George St (Sydney), naked, on both hands.

    Nothing… I’ll repeat that: NOTHING! Anyone has written in response to Bob, Montz, Wimpeter, Ed, Grigs-et-al, even Bird, has changed the essence of their posts. Nothing ever will.. and I am an optimist. We could all do better shouting at rocks.

    It also seriously ruins OTs which, otherwise, are increadibly entertaining and informative. I am sure I’m not the only one who, scrolling ad-nauseam and then giving up, misses great posts.

    It’s really quite simple.

  192. rickw

    Just remember folks, anyone can have a flashback:

  193. Roger

    The Democrat plan is to make their cities unliveable hell holes so their voters flood the rest of the country?

    The trouble is they need the taxes of those voters.

    The exodus from poorly run Democrat cities will make funding their social programs – not to mention basic services – very difficult for them. Those cities will end up being unliveable to all except those who have no choice or mobility. In the long run the Democrats will also lose political influence and seats in state legislatures and Congress.

    This is no plan; it’s political suicide and they’ll down many with them.

  194. Geriatric Mayfly

    Professor Marion Kickett shared Mr Eggington’s disbelief and said the use of terms such as “Aborigine” were outdated and politically incorrect.

    Let’s go back to ‘Natives’ then.

  195. Knuckle Dragger

    Again with this.

    Big fan, Gilas, but the old coward isn’t starved by lack of attention. It pursues the ‘truth by assertion’ creed which gave us 75 genders and trannies with names like ‘Good-rim’ being chaired by crowds into libraries to instruct pre-schoolers about Hairy Maclary and Where the Wild Things Are.

    And he projects his own self-hatred and refusal to plant his flag, and stand for his own principles when it counts.

    If you want to get the shits, either do it with him or management.

  196. rickw

    The National cabinet are persistent buggers.

    Dumbest people in the country….

  197. Mater

    Gilas,
    I appreciate the considered response.
    I agree with most of your post. You missed ‘dishonest’ amongst their traits (especially Bob), and I don’t think starving them will work…but I’m happy to give it another go.
    Thanks.

  198. Cassie of Sydney

    “Knuckle Dragger
    #3499683, posted on June 30, 2020 at 12:52 pm
    Again with this.

    Big fan, Gilas, but the old coward isn’t starved by lack of attention. It pursues the ‘truth by assertion’ creed which gave us 75 genders and trannies with names like ‘Good-rim’ being chaired by crowds into libraries to instruct pre-schoolers about Hairy Maclary and Where the Wild Things Are.

    And he projects his own self-hatred and refusal to plant his flag, and stand for his own principles when it counts.

    If you want to get the shits, either do it with him or management.”

    Thanks KD….I was going to write something similar in response to Gilas but you’ve said it best.

    And Mater…keep up the good work.

  199. Makka

    Bill de Blasio Confirms $1 Billion Cut from NYPD Budget

    “I am excited to say that we have a plan that can achieve real reform, that can achieve real redistribution, and at the same time ensure that we keep our city safe,” De Blasio told reporters, according to Politico.

    Murder is rising — but New York doesn’t seem to care

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/15/murder-is-rising-but-new-york-doesnt-seem-to-care/

  200. Maj

    The National cabinet are persistent buggers.

    Dumbest people in the country….

    And unconstitutional.

  201. Geriatric Mayfly

    US ‘proof’ Beijing is stepping up nuclear arms race
    China is engaged in a ‘crash nuclear program’ at its huge, secretive Lop Nur site, according to US intelligence assessments.

    Pic at The Oz. A narrow entrance to the below mountain site, but I presume, like rabbits, they have bolt holes. A MOAB at the front door would be a mere disruption, as the slaves of the Motherland would be quickly mustered to clear the debris.

  202. Cassie of Sydney

    “Nothing… I’ll repeat that: NOTHING! Anyone has written in response to Bob, Montz, Wimpeter, Ed, Grigs-et-al, even Bird, has changed the essence of their posts. Nothing ever will.. and I am an optimist. We could all do better shouting at rocks.”

    You miss the point….we know nothing will change the “essence of their posts”…but why should their garbage and lies be ignored? I, for one, will not ignore their lies. You can choose to scroll. An example…last year…when the Toowoomba moron posted a comment about IDF border guards forcibly pouring bleach down the throats of Palestinian women…which is a well known lie…..so are you saying that that libel is to be ignored? I don’t think so.

  203. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mater
    #3499685, posted on June 30, 2020 at 12:57 pm”

    Keep up the good work Mater.

  204. Makka

    Gilas, there are many more people who read this blog than comment. By not refuting the lies of the demented nasho (numbers), commenters are seen to be giving the rubbish numbers posts a pass or even validation unless challenged.

    Mater is therefore doing God’s work in tearing strips of the commie. Best to let him be.

  205. incoherent rambler

    but why should their garbage and lies be ignored?

    because if you ignore them they will go away and annoy someone else.
    attention seeking children who have never grown up.

  206. Why is it that when black fellas in positions of power must have their tribal name or area mentioned in any newspaper report?

  207. Makka

    because if you ignore them they will go away and annoy someone else.
    attention seeking children who have never grown up.

    The leftscum don’t operate that way. They are committed. You are describing a fallacy.

  208. Cassie of Sydney

    “because if you ignore them they will go away and annoy someone else.
    attention seeking children who have never grown up.”

    That is simply not the case with either Bob or Grigory.

  209. Cassie of Sydney

    “The leftscum don’t operate that way. They are committed. You are describing a fallacy.”

    Well said Makka….it seems some people persist with Queensbury rules…not wonder we’ve lost everything….and everyday conservatives/libertarians and people of the right are being booted off Youtube, Twitter etc.

  210. Geriatric Mayfly

    Why is it that when black fellas in positions of power must have their tribal name or area mentioned in any newspaper report?

    Next they will be following the Americans and attaching Roman numerals as a suffix. Bruce Pascoe with three different handles will had better be careful once he strays beyond III.

  211. johanna

    Well, troll-feeders, all you do is help to muck up threads so that a lot of people don’t even bother to read them any more.

    Gilas is spot on in pointing out that your virtue-signalling and chest beating has never had an iota of effect. But, no doubt it makes you feel good about yourselves – and that’s the most important thing, right?

    Meanwhile, back to matters of substance:

    Maj
    #3499689, posted on June 30, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    The National cabinet are persistent buggers.

    Dumbest people in the country….

    And unconstitutional.

    Nonsense. There is nothing unconstitutional about a bunch of politicians – any bunch of politicians – getting together, giving themselves a name and having meetings.

    The outcomes of these meetings are not binding. They cannot be binding because there is no legal basis for it. We have seen that they are not binding by the differing responses of States/Territories to Covid.

    It is just another version of COAG, which was also not unconstitutional and not binding.

  212. P

    Ellen of Tasmania
    #3499616, posted on June 30, 2020 at 10:48 am

    As Cassie said upthread “Great comment Ellen”.

    Always good input from Ellen.

    Ellen, you may find interesting this article:
    Strange Rites: New Religions For a Godless World

  213. Cassie of Sydney

    “But, no doubt it makes you feel good about yourselves – and that’s the most important thing, right?”

    Spare me the sanctimonious virtue from someone who never failed to respond in a nasty manner to posts by Lizzie.

  214. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    your chicom surplus dollars at work

    Reddit has purged some of the most popular communities on the site today after a recent announcement that they will be cracking down on “hate speech.” Over 2,000 communities were purged including the pro-Trump community r/The_Donald and the popular left-wing community r/ChapoTrapHouse.

    Last year Reddit took a $150m investment from the Communist Chinese, so these bans and the pivot away from freedom should not be a surprise to anyone. Reddit is not only purging thousands of communities from the site, but they are also banning users who “upvote” content which breaks their new “hate speech” rules. Meaning even if you don’t post the content yourself, Reddit will ban you if you engage with it.

    “I have to admit that I’ve struggled with balancing my values as an American, and around free speech and free expression, with my values and the company’s values around common human decency,” Reddit CEO Steve Huffman said.

    Perhaps all that communist Chinese money made his decision a little easier.

  215. C.L.

    the use of terms such as “Aborigine” were outdated and politically incorrect.

    OK, I’m confused. When did this happen?

  216. Roger

    It is just another version of COAG, which was also not unconstitutional and not binding.

    It would at least be a courteous nod in the direction of voters, not to mention alohoether more professional, if the meetings were minuted and tose minute so the rationales for their decisions could be scrutinised, as with the old Premiers’ Conferences that Keating replaced with COAG.

  217. Cassie of Sydney

    “But, no doubt it makes you feel good about yourselves”

    And I’m sure you always felt good about yourself after posting something nasty about Lizzie.

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