Open Forum: July 4, 2020

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  1. rugbyskier

    Barilaro is calling it for the Liberals on Sky News. The 43,000 prepoll votes yet to be declared.

  2. rugbyskier

    Combined Coalition primary vote down 0.2 percent and combined Labor/Greens primary vote down 7.7 percent.

  3. Nick

    Also visited the electorate some 20 times

  4. rickw

    The Law is not properly understood by most members of parliament…..😳

  5. Nick

    Haha of course

    Royal Sydney Golf Club’s renovations could find more Aboriginal remains

  6. cohenite

    Dunno cohenite- I’m convinced the Gladishocklian government is worse than labor. The abortion ambush was despicable. Someone here, I can’t remember who, warned what was going to happen too.

    Agreed; the conservatives betraying their base is worse than the liar/filth abomination continuing to do what we know they do. The problem is getting rid of the rot in the lnp: photios, kean, that hideous shit harwin etc.

    Barilaro spruiking nuclear with that disgusting old toad richo arguing against it on the basis of women opposing nuclear energy because reproductivity. The problem with Barilaro is he is anti-coal and richo is anti-nuke and possibly nuts. Credlin says women don’t vote with their reproductive organs/vaginas amidst general mirth at richo and nuclear accidents destroying vaginas.

  7. thefrollickingmole

    Rickw
    That’s a good little summary In that vid.
    You can take the most privelidged Group in the world and educate them they are a victim group.

    In one respect what we are seeing is the undeserving elites(pollies, rent seekers and government protected sectors) turning the scorn they deserve onto a nebulous “thing” called structural privelidge or some similar wankery.
    Given the education sector is basically run by those undeserving elites they have been able to deflect away from their own wealth as a class.

  8. rugbyskier

    Looks like most of the drop in the ALP primary vote went to the Shooters and two thirds is coming back in preferences. The Greens vote has gone to the Marijuana party, quelle surprise.

  9. jupes

    From the top 30 wines of the world:

    Marchesi Fumanelli Italian Amarone 2010 (N/A)

    Yeah nah, Corte Manara Amarone Della Valpolicella Classico is a superior drop. You know it JC.

  10. MemoryFault

    The problem is getting rid of the rot in the lnp

    There is no ‘rot” in the LNP. The LNP IS the rot, along with the Libs, Nats and Labor.
    Until you grasp that nothing is going to change.

  11. miltonf

    The problem with Barilaro is he is anti-coal

    which means he’s an idiot and part of the problem.

  12. Robber Baron

    I was at an Aldi store today and they had a staff member regulating the number of customers in the store. One in for one out.

    When l got to the front he explained it to me and l just told him that it was the fault of incompetent bureaucrats and spineless politicians. He said that he “hoped” things would get better. I set him straight. I told him nothing will improve if he just “hoped”, and that he had to “act”.

    This is why nothing will change. No one is prepared to act.

  13. miltonf

    I don’t think the Liberal Party is redeemable. Happy to be proved wrong but I think the Trumble episode was a sign that they hold their former base in total contempt.

  14. miltonf

    Their disdain for Trump was a give away too.

  15. miltonf

    Calling Trump a dropkick ffs.

  16. Fat Tony

    This is why nothing will change. No one is prepared to act.

    Cos the first ones that do act (and their families) will be hammered to Hell and back by the government/police.

    There are plenty who do want to act

  17. Calling Trump a dropkick ffs.

    That was probably the peak display of Little Joshy Frankenstein’s analytical skills.

  18. I was at an Aldi store today and they had a staff member regulating the number of customers in the store. One in for one out.

    In Brisbane all anyone had to do was say there were “participating in the Black Lives Matter” protest.
    Simple.

  19. DrBeauGan

    Cos the first ones that do act (and their families) will be hammered to Hell and back by the government/police.

    There are plenty who do want to act

    It has to be a mass demo of a few thousand of us. Judging by the response to BML, that’s enough to get immunity.

  20. Zyconoclast

    Also visited the electorate some 20 times

    Albo

    One visit per Thai massage place.

  21. Seems the leaders of the BLM protesters in Brisbane upset at the low turnout.

    Good news indeed.

  22. egg_

    Calling Trump a dropkick ffs.

    That was probably the peak display of Little Joshy Frankenstein’s analytical skills.

    Full Retard.

  23. max

    The only act that would be worth anything would have to involve the military. Street protests, marches, meetings, are not gonna do it. Back in 1975 there was such a group but John Kerr got in first.

  24. Infidel Tiger King

    Sportsbet have wound DJT in from $2.75 to $2.65 after one speech.

    Javanka gone. Don back.

    More winning please.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Welcome to our live coverage of the Eden-Monaro by-election, where the result is too close to call. Both the Liberal and Labor parties have fielded strong local candidates – Fiona Kotvojs (Liberal) and Kristy McBain (Labor). Prepoll votes are still being counted and the final outcome will likely come down to preferences.

    Rosie Lewis 10.49pm: Queanbeyan pre-poll numbers bad news for Labor

    Pre-poll numbers for Queanbeyan have come through, with the Labor vote down 7.5 per cent, the ABC’s electoral analyst Antony Green says.

    The Liberal Party’s primary vote is on 37.5 per cent and Labor is on 36.64 per cent.

    That takes the swing against Labor to 3.4 per cent, Mr Green says.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  26. MemoryFault

    Jesus wept.
    There are STILL people here who think it’s going to make any difference who wins – Liberal or Labor.

  27. JD

    Something happening in the Balkans. No MSM coverage.

  28. Mark A

    Something happening in the Balkans.

    There was/is always something going on in the Balkans.
    Tito was a hope (as Balkan leaders he was OK) but he died,

  29. Arnost

    The Michigan couple who were charged when acting in self-defense, just had their gofundme taken down. Meanwhile the girl who said she would stab the next person who said “all lives matter” still has her’s up.
    https://twitter.com/reggietabasco/status/1279379727665582080?s=21

  30. JD

    A population of 600,00 in Montenegro. A little more than Tasmania!

  31. You are just upset your “voting the sitting member out” strategy does not apply when the sitting member has stood aside. Just out of curiosity who should the voters of EM have voted for ? Shooters, Hemp, not sure if the Raving Loony party runs candidates in Australia ?

    “Jesus wept.
    There are STILL people here who think it’s going to make any difference who wins – Liberal or Labor”.

  32. Yay! My fingers are working again.
    10 hours on a booth handing out for Riccardo followed by 2 hours scrutineering will do that to you.

    So how was everybody’s day “doing their bit” by incessantly replying to posts from a retarded spud peeler?

  33. Steve trickler

    It’ll never get old.



  34. MemoryFault

    You are just upset your “voting the sitting member out” strategy does not apply when the sitting member has stood aside.

    Upset about what? Maybe you need to take a remedial course in reading simple English. Right from the start the rule has been to vote the sitting member LAST, regardless of party. And if the former sitting member is not standing, vote their party replacement last.

    So simple even an idiot could understand it.
    Which naturally means it’s beyond the capacity of a bolted on Liberal voter such as yourself.

    Just out of curiosity who should the voters of EM have voted for ?

    Whoever they fancied in whatever order they liked, as long as the sitting member, or their party replacement, is last. As I just wrote, so simple even an idiot could understand it. So keep trying.

  35. Mark A

    Anyhow, have a Winfield.
    Lame pics.

  36. MV,
    Only an idiot has a voting method that does not involve voting for the best candidate for that voter. Your “system” is childish. So for example in some electorates recently miners were not voting for Labor, their usual preference, because they thought was not in their best interests. Likewise if a voter strongly supported Dutton’s viewpoint he would have to vote him out to comply with your strategy.

    I mean seriously it is quite pathetic, especially when you repeat it so often as though it will solve all our problems.

    How about choosing the best candidate that most fits the voters viewpoint given the options available ? Radical I know.

  37. MemoryFault

    Well, that’s it.
    The end of another shitty day at the end of a shitty week, at the end of a shitty couple of months.
    Bed time.

  38. MemoryFault

    Only an idiot has a voting method that does not involve voting for the best candidate for that voter.

    Not worth arguing with you, brettW. We’ve been through it all before.
    You just go on voting Liberal or Labor or Nats or LNP, and things are bound to get better.
    After all, it’s worked out so well up to now.

    Enjoy your lockdown.

  39. MemoryFault

    Sleep well, Lovely Lady, wherever you might be.

  40. mindfree

    These guys were at the top of their game when they produced this

    https://youtu.be/6vWTtx_PxPo

  41. Zyconoclast

    These guys were at the top of their game when they produced this

    Hey, they stole the entire content of Austen Power’s wardrobe.

  42. Fisky

    China’s “soft power” is now so terrible they are having to re-name their spy-ridden “Confucius Institutes”. We should cancel their contracts with every Group of 8 university immediately.

    C.A. Yeung 光復香港 時代革命
    @WLYeung
    · 9h
    Hanban, the headquarter of all Confucius Institutes, is changing its name into Chinese and Foreign Languages Exchange and Cooperation Centre of the Ministry of Education 教育部中外語言交流合作中心 twitter.com/wmeng8/status/…

  43. Fisky

    Is that even legal under 18C?

    Drew Pavlou 柏乐志
    @DrewPavlou
    ·
    Jul 2
    ECON3820, a UQ course designed by the UQ Confucius Institute and funded by the Chinese government, includes official CCP talking points relating to #UyghurGenocide.

    “Muslim Uyghurs are overrepresented in ‘Terrorist’ incidents.”

    Australian university justifying genocide.

  44. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    China’s “soft power” is now so terrible they are having to re-name their spy-ridden “Confucius Institutes”. We should cancel their contracts with every Group of 8 university immediately.

    Hanban, the headquarter of all Confucius Institutes, is changing its name into Chinese and Foreign Languages Exchange and Cooperation Centre of the Ministry of Education

    Yeah, that name should work.

  45. Fisky

    Is that even legal under 18C?

    Drew Pavlou 柏乐志
    @DrewPavlou
    ·
    Jul 2
    ECON3820, a UQ course designed by the UQ Confucius Institute and funded by the Chinese government, includes official CCP talking points relating to #UyghurGenocide.

    “Mooozlim Uyghurs are overrepresented in ‘Terrorist’ incidents.”

    Australian university justifying genocide.

  46. Mitch M.

    mindfree
    #3503645, posted on July 5, 2020 at 12:52 am
    These guys were at the top of their game when they produced this

    They certainly were. I’ve downloaded that clip for my VLC play list.
    Very sad outcome for Steve Marriott:

  47. egg_

    10 hours on a booth handing out for Riccardo followed by 2 hours scrutineering will do that to you.

    Kudos.

  48. K2

    Footscray will win the flag if they keep that vibe going.

  49. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    FMD, Deutsche Welle (via Their ABCTV24) just crossed to their version of Zoe Daniels, in Washington DC. She repeated uncritically the claim that Trump is being provocative by appearing at Mt. Rushmore, on stolen land, in front of statues of slave-owners.

  50. Cold-Hands

    Demonstrators are back in Seattle setting up barricades. Unfortunately they didn’t take notice of their parents’ warnings not to play on the road… 2 for the Darwin awards.

  51. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Portland Police have sent out the most heartwarming tweet of the day.
    In particular the last word is …er… full of meaning.

  52. Struth

    Any minute now whole high rises of Melbournistan will be emptying out onto the streets with BLM signs in hand.

  53. calli

    Thanks Tom.

    Chuckle

    Double chuckle

    So much memey goodness.

  54. egg_

    Any minute now whole high rises of Melbournistan will be emptying out onto the streets with BLM signs in hand.

    (Leb) Builders Labourers lives Matter?

  55. Herodotus

    Media Roundup:
    1. Hot on the heels of another study finding that chloroquine reduced death rate among critical cases by 50% the ABC quickly produces one that says no it doesn’t, but theirs comes from the WHO.
    2. Adam Creighton in the Oz says that older Australians should pay a tax surcharge on their ill gotten super riches because the coronavirus lockdowns what damaged da economy were all done for the oldies.
    3. The Centre for Continuing Education at Cambridge Uni proves just how infiltrated universities are in this week’s Naked Scientist radio show, which they top and tail for Radio National. It was full-on climate retard advocating complete abolition of CO2, with guest spruiker George Moonbat; I kid you not.
    4. Jonathan Green’s radio show Blueprint for Living had an extended interview with two NY women who have done a lot of organising of food supplies for those “on the front line” street demo people. While assisting in the demolition of society they want those ratbags to “eat healthy stuff”.

  56. Mater

    2. Adam Creighton in the Oz says that older Australians should pay a tax surcharge on their ill gotten super riches because the coronavirus lockdowns what damaged da economy were all done for the oldies.

    As if most of them had any more choice in it than the rest of us.
    What about our own chicken little, Monty? After demanding that everyone sacrifice in order to save his young(ish) life, surely he owes a debt to society, too?

  57. Ed Case

    If that’s right, then isn’t it simpler to allow workers to draw $10 grand of their Super tax free every 6 months until things get back on track?

  58. calli

    BrettW
    #3503612, posted on July 4, 2020 at 10:30 pm
    Seems the leaders of the BLM protesters in Brisbane upset at the low turnout.

    Good news indeed.

    Curious. Seven just told me that “thousands” turned out in Brisbane for the protest, with some inconclusive camera angles supporting the claim.

    I wonder how many turned up down the road in Newcastle? Maybe I need a different search engine – can’t seem to find anything about it.

  59. notafan

    500 police at the high rises, presumably working shufts

    On on every floor.

    They don’t have a great relationship, as KD mentioned last night.

  60. Struth

    Let’s stop to consider what we have been told and seen on MSM.

    People were dying in the streets in Wuhan when this first came out.
    People were lying dead in the streets.
    Men in space suits were using leaf blowers to spray the streets with god knows what and those images were hurriedly pumped all around the world by the ….MSM.

    Actually, in starting this little rant, it would turn into a very big rant if we noted collaborations of video footage of the same hospital being used, the laughable refrigeration trucks backed up to empty hospitals etc etc etc etc.
    And the gobsmackingly obvious lack of certain questions being asked.

    Etc

    But we have not seen what we would usually expect to see from the MSM.

    The in depth investigations of the life stories of the deceased.

    The repeating of tweets from young teary relatives, or the surfer’s circle on the ocean complete with soppy background music, you know the type of piece they do.

    No bodies dying in the streets, that’s for sure.

    Isn’t it a little curious that although this type of story is gold for the MSM, (the tear jerking expose’ on the real cost of the human tragedy, all caused by Trump of course), it isn’t a daily ritual?
    These people aren’t even talking about deaths, just infections.
    Of course the reason being is that it’s very hard to sell that shit when the truth is old uncle Harry had been ill for a long time, and the cancer finally got him, and the family would maybe give that fact away, while he was pronounced dead from the boogaloo China Fru.

    And he was 103 years old.

    We know we are being bullshitted to.
    We know the media are lying scum that are nothing but activists.
    You need not apply as a journalist if you are not.
    And the commos running the journo’s Uni course make sure of it.
    But it’s what they are not doing which makes them so incredibly laughable.
    When it really starts to hit home as to what’s happened here, there needs to be a clean out.
    A Kulling.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yoga is racist.

    Harrington, a straight, white guy who expanded Kindness to nine studios and 160 employees across metro Denver, announced last week that he was closing them all after a handful of yoga teachers, including a Black woman and a transgender man, called out Kindness on social media for “performative activism” and “tokenization of Black and brown bodies.” The teachers’ public comments, following a Black Lives Matter post on Kindness’ Instagram page that they termed too little, too late, evoked a backlash that was fierce and immediate.

    Within 48 hours, as the nightly protests over police violence unfolded around the Capitol in Denver, just three blocks from Kindness’ Capitol Hill studio, the yoga company received nearly 400 emails from students who were upset, including many wanting to cancel their memberships. A week later, the emails had reached 800 and counting.

    And trannyist.

    Kindness Yoga called out: Weakened by coronavirus, 9 studios close after Instagram campaign exposes rift over race (29 Jun, via Steven Heywood)

  62. notafan

    Flemington kengsinton legal aid have a dedicated Police Accounability Unit.

    Lots of Ethnic Africans living in the towers.

    Iirc they joined in the fun of the anti Milo protests a couple of years ago.

    Victoria police to convince public review following racial discrimination court settlements

  63. notafan

    That yoga bloke just proved That you can never be woke enough for the demanders.

    Straight white male.

    Three mortal sins right there.

  64. Mater

    Iirc they joined in the fun of the anti Milo protests a couple of years ago.

    Indeed they did.
    They’ve not bad throwing arms, either, considering the aerodynamics of glass bottles.
    Pretty vicious stuff that night.

  65. egg_

    with guest spruiker George Moonbat

    Any opposing view for a semblance of balance?
    Has Marxism been likened as Cancerous to an organisation?

  66. 132andBush

    Have you run out of sarc tags, Egg?

  67. Twostix

    Which timeline is this where the government can seriously arrest and imprison thousands of innocent people inside their apartments and force them to under go invasive medical testing for whatever amount of time?

    See how they’ve made us change. Just four months from the old australia to this.

  68. miltonf

    Which timeline is this where the government can seriously arrest and imprison thousands of innocent people inside their apartments and force them to under go invasive medical testing for whatever amount of time?

    See how they’ve made us change. Just four months from the old australia to this.

    Yep- it’s absolutely outrageous. Again way out of proportion.

  69. Twostix

    Your suburb will be on the list eventually. If your neighborhood is not 100% good obedient little cov19 citizens the police will be at your “hard lockeddown” door eventually.

    It might be this year, or next year, or in five years.

    This is the new normal they’ve been telling us about.

  70. Twostix

    Also don’t be daft and idly accept this because they’re doing it to degenerates and drugos and africans.

    Regimes akways establish precedent for the extreme power and “new normal” by trying it to the unpopular first.

    If the public agree once you can never cleanly disagree.

    Not even once.

  71. notafan

    You should have seen Dan Andrews announcing the tower lockup.

    And it’s costing millions to do it, they are going to provide food to the residents, there will be a lot of traffic regardless of them locking people in.

    It is a disgrace of Dan Andrews’ doing.

    I’ll be glad to see those high rises demolished.

    Don’t happen soon though.

  72. miltonf

    The way I see it is that it’s a matter of protecting the oldies and otherwise it will attenuate out.

  73. notafan

    Dan is flattening the curve.

  74. egg_

    Which timeline is this where the government can seriously arrest and imprison thousands of innocent people inside their apartments and force them to under go invasive medical testing for whatever amount of time?

    The War on Pneumonia, Comrade!

    War Cabinet – check
    Police and Military ready for deployment – check

  75. H B Bear

    Compulsory preferential voting looks set to deliver the Liars another seat. Nice to know no matter how objectionable your policies and divorced from mainstream values you will pick up the vote at some point.

  76. notafan

    The French didn’t bother enforcing lockdown in certain suburbs, Dan is doing the opposite.

  77. egg_

    Breaking News:
    UberEats drivers in lockdown – Melbourne starves!

  78. areff

    If they do DNA testing as well as COVID scans on the Kensington flats’ residents they’ll close half of Melbourne’s unsolved crimes.

    BACKGROUND: After a bit of a riot in 2007 and the subsequent travails of two coppers who were forced to apologise for pulling over a Mercedes load of dusky youths with form, policing switched to organising midnight basketball-style initiatives, feting a variety of Al Sharpton’s thinner local variants and inviting same to enjoy photo ops with the police comissioner and sundry other members of the constabulary whose common trait was a remarkable resemblance to specimens in a fish shop window.

    Once the photo sessions were done, VicPol’s guests made haste to (a) the Kensington Legal Centre to gin up more actions against rank-and-file police, or (b) to the nearest dispenser of grants intended to remedy Australia’s systemic racism.

  79. egg_

    Your suburb will be on the list eventually. If your neighborhood is not 100% good obedient little cov19 citizens the police will be at your “hard lockeddown” door eventually.

    Dan and the CMO have already threatened this.

  80. custard

    So even Matthias Cormann could no longer understand the purpose of the Liberal party.

  81. H B Bear

    As a citizen your vote is the most valuable right you have. Forcing people to vote makes it worthless.

    Please don’t bother to tell me you only have to get ticked off the roll. We have been over that.

  82. I wonder if the Proletariat Food Exchange will have cheese today?
    I really need some for my bacon,onion&egg rolls!
    I voted for you, Maximum Leader, c’mon, help a comrade out!

  83. H B Bear

    Victoriastanis getting a democracy lesson. Sadly it will be wasted on most of them.

  84. MemoryFault

    Compulsory preferential voting looks set to deliver the Liars another seat. Nice to know no matter how objectionable your policies and divorced from mainstream values you will pick up the vote at some point.

    Compulsory preferential voting doing precisely what it is intended to do.
    And the hell of it is, if it had delivered a win for the Liberals instead of Labor, there wouldn’t be a murmur of protest about it here at the Cat.

  85. H B Bear

    So even Matthias Cormann could no longer understand the purpose of the Liberal party.

    More like he can no longer stomach being part of the problem. Time to cash in.

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fish don’t like rock & roll.

    Music festivals near lakes or bodies of water could be putting the aquatic life at risk due to the loud music stressing out the fish, a new study has found.

    Researchers examined the impact the Ultra Music Festival, a dance music event in Miami, Florida, had on fish swimming in a nearby lagoon and on others in tanks.

    The team from the University of Miami found that high volume music caused fish to become more stressed as it reminds them of the sound of approaching predators.

    They probably like all the ecstasy urinated into the water though.

    Live music events like Latitude and Ultra dance festival in Florida that take place near water could put aquatic life at risk because the loud noise is stressful to fish, scientists warn (3 Jul, via BCF)

  87. H B Bear

    Tailgunner didn’t you do any slaughter for Eid? Have a lamb chop and eggs.

  88. MatrixTransform

    Three mortal sins right there.

    very funny nota.

    … excellent behaviour

  89. Maj

    Thank God for President Trump.

    Donald Trump: ‘We Only Kneel to Almighty God’

    President Donald Trump declared in a fiery speech delivered at Mount Rushmore’s Independence Day celebration on Friday that “we only kneel to Almighty God.”

    “We stand tall, we stand proud, and we only kneel to Almighty God,” Trump said to applause.

    “This is who we are,” he continued. This is what we believe, and these are the values that will guide us as we strive to build an even better and greater future.”

  90. Cassie of Sydney

    “H B Bear
    #3503716, posted on July 5, 2020 at 8:32 am
    Compulsory preferential voting looks set to deliver the Liars another seat. Nice to know no matter how objectionable your policies and divorced from mainstream values you will pick up the vote at some point.”

    Whilst Labor will scrape across the line in E-M….this isn’t a good result for Labor and particularly for Albanese’s leadership. Most by-elections see big swings against incumbent governments…and there isn’t a swing against the Liberals.

  91. Carpe Jugulum

    Mathias Cormann has just quit

  92. areff

    I had the great pleasure not so long ago of residing in a Williamstown home adjacent to a low-rise Housing Commission estate. When I moved in, circa 2007, the flats were largely occupied by Aussie battler sorts with no teeth; Collingwood scarves and Magpie logos were much in evidence. There was a resident junkie who could sometimes be spotted wheeling home other people’s TVs in other people’s wheelie bins, but they were mostly harmless

    By the time I moved to my current abode in 2016, the gnarled Skippies were mostly gone, replaced by ladies dressed as circus tents, gents who never seemed to work, and youths who, while unfamiliar with and unable to absorb Australian conduct and mores, had somehow managed to master the customs of LA gangsta culture.

    The curious thing was that while news reports had it that there was a multi-year waiting list to get a Houso flat, the sons and daughters of the Dark Continent somehow managed to step off the plane and get to the head of the queue.

    Australia, land of opportunity!

  93. shatterzzz

    More like he can no longer stomach being part of the problem. Time to cash in.

    +10

  94. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’ll be glad to see those high rises demolished.

    Remember they are built on land cleared of ‘sub standard housing’ in which the working classes used reside. Similar houses still standing in those inner suburbs are now worth a motza and most coveted by those who are well off, but a bit strange and always have issues.

  95. MemoryFault

    More like he can no longer stomach being part of the problem.
    Time to cash in.

    Now watch just how quickly he moves seamlessly into a top managerial/director position, probably with a major health benefit fund or similar. Or even Big Four bank.

  96. Maj

    Mathias Cormann has just quit

    Announced he is going to resign at the end of the year.

    That means he’ll pull the usual trick to milk the taxpayer, last used by snout in the trough Cory Bernardi.

    1) Announce resignation.

    2) Give Valedictory Speech in late November.

    3) Go into comfortable retirement and enjoy a long summer holiday.

    4) Mail in your letter of resignation to the Clerk of the Senate from your holiday home in late January.

    5) Look in your bank account and see your bonus two months salary for doing stuff all.

  97. miltonf

    Whilst Labor will scrape across the line in E-M….this isn’t a good result for Labor and particularly for Albanese’s leadership. Most by-elections see big swings against incumbent governments…and there isn’t a swing against the Liberals.

    Probably the best result we could hope for. What a sick joke compulsory preferential voting is- who you put second last you might end up voting for.

  98. H B Bear

    The Population Ponzi has delivered the $1m 2 bedroom weatherboard workers cottage.

    Nice work if you were on the receiving end. Downsize to something on the coast on the pension and complain about the local hospital.

  99. miltonf

    That means he’ll pull the usual trick to milk the taxpayer, last used by snout in the trough Cory Bernardi. I’m still absolutely gob smacked by his actions. What a stinker.

  100. Tel

    Whilst Labor will scrape across the line in E-M….this isn’t a good result for Labor and particularly for Albanese’s leadership. Most by-elections see big swings against incumbent governments…and there isn’t a swing against the Liberals.

    Yes, people are using their preferences the way it was designed. If other blog commentators can’t come to grips with this then explaining it one more time is unlikely to help them. However, for those people capable of absorbing new ideas, correct preference usage is to put some minor party first, even if you don’t expect then to win, because that sends a statement and it puts money into those minor parties, and gives them a chance to grow.

    For anyone who says that minor parties don’t have a chance, and it the system, blah blah … go on and explain how the Greens can become so influential with a bit less than 10% support.

  101. H B Bear

    Maj – why not do a Greg Combet and go on your French cycling holiday with your ALPBC concubine with the taxpayer picking up the tab? It’s not against the rules apparently.

  102. Johno

    I watched Sky last night. John Barilaro would have to be one of the most obnoxious little piss ants in politics at the moment. Richo played him like a fiddle telling him what a great hold he had on QBN, great bloke etc. They have lunch occasionally and I would wager that Barilaro tells that he knows whilst his widdle tummy gets a rub. Sickening.

  103. Candy

    It will be a “miracle” if Labor do hold EM. There will be gratitude to government for not dying of corona and generous jobseeker. Health and income issues. Exceptional circumstances.

  104. MemoryFault

    who you put second last you might end up voting for.

    But as long as it’s Liberal, it’s alright.
    That about the size of it?

  105. Diogenes

    particularly for Albanese’s leadership. Most

    Personal vote for sitting member blah blah

  106. MemoryFault

    because that sends a statement and it puts money into those minor parties, and gives them a chance to grow.

    I wonder how Riccardo is planning to spend all that money “to grow”?
    For sure, his “statement” has got the Libs and Labor quaking in their boots.
    Oh the joys of compulsory preferential voting.

  107. Des Deskperson

    ‘Whilst Labor will scrape across the line in E-M….this isn’t a good result for Labor and particularly for Albanese’s leadership. Most by-elections see big swings against incumbent governments…and there isn’t a swing against the Liberals.’

    Indeed!

    With, among other things, the redrawn boundaries in 2015 and the move of ex-Canberra ‘progressives’ into the electorate – both in border dormitory estates and as sea/tree changers – E-M should now be, prima facie, a Labor seat. In 2016, Labor achiever 53% of the 2PP vote

    The real question is why the Liberals managed to do so well in 2019.

  108. H B Bear

    Tel – please explain to me why someone who casts a primary vote for the SFF should be forced to have their vote end up with the Liars or the Liars-Lite?

    The Greens can drag the Liars left as Albo and Plibbers try to save their jobs. And the Lieborals can continue to offer up Waffleworth soft-Liars polices secure in the knowledge there is nowhere else to go.

  109. H B Bear

    Bernadi proved there is no real right wing voting demographic hiding out there. We are stuck with the Lieborals.

  110. Entropy

    The other retiring lollie trick is to retire from the party but contest the election as an independent. Then when you lose six months salary to adjust out of politics.

  111. EvilElvis

    go on and explain how the Greens can become so influential with a bit less than 10% support.

    A billion dollar plus media budget and a swarm of educated like minds in the machine of bureacracy?

  112. rickw

    Daily dose of Vietnam!

  113. MemoryFault

    Bernadi proved there is no real right wing voting demographic hiding out there. We are stuck with the Lieborals.

    No.
    Bernardi proved that fledgling parties and independents should start off gunning for the Senate, avoid by elections like the plague, and forget about having a trunk full of “policies”.

  114. miltonf

    Bernadi proved there is no real right wing voting demographic hiding out there. We are stuck with the Lieborals.

    The always sounded geriatric and now it’s looking more and more like it was an astroturf job.

  115. H B Bear

    These plague ridden times aren’t a good time to be in Opposition. Albo is an onlooker at best if SloMo doesn’t stuff it up.

  116. Cassie of Sydney

    “H B Bear
    #3503770, posted on July 5, 2020 at 9:29 am
    Bernadi proved there is no real right wing voting demographic hiding out there. We are stuck with the Lieborals.”

    No Bernardi wimped and cucked. He wasn’t prepared for the long haul and he then spat the dummy, like an adolescent, after May 2019. He had very good people in the party (I know some) who really believed in the concept of Aus Conservatives….but Bernardi unceremoniously pulled the rug from under them last year. Bernard thought that stuff happens overnight…it doesn’t and it can’t. Politics is hard work..and it can be slow road. With minor parties and independents, unless you have a high profile like slag Phelps, then you start the hard work of spruiking yourself and the party at least a year out from a federal or state poll.

  117. Ed Case

    The real question is why the Liberals managed to do so well in 2019.

    Kotvojs appeared more presentable on a corflute than Kelly to voters who turned up at the booth with no idea who they were going to vote for?
    Preselecting McBain for Labor solved that problem this time around.

  118. miltonf

    *The name always sounded geriatric and stuffy.

  119. Nick

    All too true areff.
    My heart does warm though to the thought that other, similar abodes exist within spitting distance of luvvy HQs in both Carlton and Fitzroy.

  120. mh

    Anyone enjoying Salute to America?

  121. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bernardi proved that fledgling parties and independents should start off gunning for the Senate, avoid by elections like the plague, and forget about having a trunk full of “policies”.”

    Yes…whilst I don’t agree with you on a lot of things you are 100% right about this…you focus on the senate…which is what the Greens did for decades before they won a lower house seat.

  122. Good morning all.
    So another BLM protest in Brisbane eh? Is this because players have stopped taking a knee before the commencement of play in the various sports?

  123. Nick

    Cassie, Bernardi also thought that putting the word ‘conservative’ in the party’s name would be a political magic pudding. Hence his lack of any real policies or staying power.

  124. miltonf

    Names like One nation or Advance Australia are much better.

  125. Nick

    I’m waiting for the upcoming scolding about COVID deaths in indigenous communities and how whitey should bear the shame.

  126. Cassie of Sydney

    “Nick
    #3503786, posted on July 5, 2020 at 9:41 am
    Cassie, Bernardi also thought that putting the word ‘conservative’ in the party’s name would be a political magic pudding. Hence his lack of any real policies or staying power.”

    No Bernardi had good policies…I read them…good solid right of centre policies. However he lacked staying power and this provided an insight into his character….he thought that stuff happens overnight….I think he also micro managed stuff…not good. I will never forgive him for how he threw his supporters under the bus last year and pissed off into the sunset.

  127. Some History

    A “great wrong” has been committed.

    Councillor apologises after being caught smoking during virtual committee meeting
    A Conservative councillor took a screengrab of the moment and posted it on social media

    A councillor has apologised for smoking on camera during a virtual council meeting.
    Liberal Democrat Barbara Ashwood was taking part in the Cambridgeshire County Council communities and partnership committee via video link from her own home on July 2 when the incident took place.

    The video is available to the public as the virtual meeting was broadcast live online, as all public council meetings have been since the government passed legislation to allow it during the pandemic.

    A Conservative councillor, Lina Nieto, drew attention to the councillor smoking by posting a screenshot on Twitter and commenting that Cllr Ashwood was “having a smoke during committee”.

    The incident drew criticism from the leader of the county council, Conservative Steve Count, who said on Twitter: “I can’t believe what I’m seeing. We have responsibility for public health!”

    He tagged the South Cambridgeshire Liberal Democrat group and said “inappropriate councillor behaviour when on council business”.

    He added: “We run massive campaigns to help people pack up smoking. Cllr Ashwood is on official duty. That is an issue for me.”

    Cllr Ashwood told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: “I have apologised and Steve has accepted that apology.”

    Online reaction to the incident was mixed.

    Fellow Lib Dem councillor Amanda Taylor tweeted: “Count distracting us from the real issues. Barbara had just done a grand job at committee standing up for library staff being relocated to an isolated industrial park with no public transport links. I reckon she deserved a cigarette, in her own home, not affecting anyone else.”

    RTWT

    https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/councillor-apologises-after-being-caught-18538991

    And these totalitarian nitwits, useful idiots of Public Health, are supposed “conservatives”.

    The plonker, Nieto:

    https://imgur.com/hZVaEsF

    The ultra wanker, Count:

    https://imgur.com/zS5f5xA

  128. Cassie of Sydney

    “miltonf
    #3503789, posted on July 5, 2020 at 9:42 am
    Names like One nation or Advance Australia are much better.”

    Agree….and maybe…just maybe…conservatives and others on the right need to swallow their pride and either vote for or join PHON.

  129. Mater

    Kotvojs appeared more presentable on a corflute than Kelly to voters who turned up at the booth with no idea who they were going to vote for?

    The essence of the problem with compulsory voting…bedsides the principle of forcing people to do it.
    Nothing says freedom quite like having a metaphorical bayonet nudge you into a polling station.

  130. Nick

    Smoking is a legal activity FFS

  131. H B Bear

    One Nation has never been anything more than an opportunistic protest party that periodically provides an income for Pauline Hanson. It’s candidates are usually flat earthers who resign after their first pay check clears.

  132. Cassie of Sydney

    I also think that maybe we on the right and conservatives need to abandon the economic stuff and concentrate on the progressive social gunk that is being shoved down people’s throats…such as the gunk of 52 genders, trans women are women, BLM and so on. This is why Latham is sooooo good….his smackdown of Dickless Grease last week was magisterial.

  133. Ruby Wharton. What a lady! You can just see the hate coursing through her. Vomit inducing.

  134. Nick

    Bear, you can bet that Pauline’s next ‘stunt’ will be a couple of months out before the next election.

  135. Tel

    The real question is why the Liberals managed to do so well in 2019.

    Because Albo and the Peanut Head got the bright idea of being honest about their planned policies of taxing the crap out of retirement savings. They won’t make that mistake a second time.

  136. Mater

    Cassie, Bernardi also thought that putting the word ‘conservative’ in the party’s name would be a political magic pudding.

    I wholeheartedly agree. The name was a mistake. I’ve posted about this issue previously.

    Mater
    #2784334, posted on August 8, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    …I was talking to some about this today. I believe a significant portion of old Labor voters share a lot of our views (or a lot closer to our’s than the new ALP) but have been raised to hate anything associated with the words Conservative, Liberal, Coalition and Tory…in that order.

    That’s why I think the Australian Conservatives have made a mistake with their name. These people just cannot bring themselves to even read the policies of, let alone vote for anyone associated with any of these four words. In their mind, the name alone demonstrates evil and the antithesis of their working class roots. One Nation is benefiting from these disillusioned (or partially awakened) rusted-on’s.

  137. Ed Case

    The essence of the problem with compulsory voting…bedsides the principle of forcing people to do it.
    Nothing says freedom quite like having a metaphorical bayonet nudge you into a polling station.

    Only 88, 000 out of 114,000 enrolled voted, so that bayonet isn’t bothering 23% of people.
    The AEC link says that PrePolls were counted and reported last night, so apart from a few Postal Votes still to show up, that’s it.

  138. Mater

    Only 88, 000 out of 114,000 enrolled voted, so that bayonet isn’t bothering 23% of people.

    Bob’ll be screaming “voter suppression”, shortly.

  139. Johno

    The big issue in Eden Monaro north of the ACT is the appalling state of the Barton highway. Everyone out this way is sick of both the parties promising a duplication and then sitting on their hands for the next three years.Next election, rinse and repeat. Consequently ,there a a large number of voters who put the sitting member last,then next election put the other mob in. No MF, they don’t follow your idea, they are just fed up with the lies. Who ever wins this election wont win the votes out this way at the next one.

  140. MemoryFault

    whilst I don’t agree with you on a lot of things you are 100% right about this

    Good morning Cassie.
    Thank you for that, but isn’t that supposed to be the essence of this blog? That we are mature enough to agree to disagree from time to time?

    I have repeatedly stated that I believe Tel to be the wisest Tomcat of us all, and Calli to be the wisest of the Lady Cats. But I have had disagreements with both of them, and that is how it should be.

    I count the likes of yourself, BoN, and even BrettW right up there with them, but we have all disagreed on certain points, and Struth and I will defend each other to the last bullet, if necessary. That’s when we’re not busy trying to kill each other. That’s what it’s supposed to be all about.

    And yet there seems to be a growing collectivist style ‘groupthink’ taking hold here. Disagree with the consensus a nasty pile on ensues. Have the audacity to be a bit different, a bit larger than life, and you’ll be hounded out – all the way to hospital if need be.

    It is disturbing.

  141. bespoke

    Anti-Extremism Researcher Exposes How the Left Drives People to the Far-Right, But You Won’t See It on Wikipedia

    If you tell people they’re racist for worrying about radical Islam and immigration, you won’t always convince them that all forms of Islam and immigration are good. You might just end up convincing them that racism isn’t as bad as they thought it was. That’s the basic premise of the book Monster of Their Own Making: How the Far Left, the Media, and Politicians are Creating Far-Right Extremists. The author, Jack Buckby, would know — he spent years as a white nationalist before unequivocally renouncing that vile movement. Perhaps someone should alert Wikipedia that he’s gone from a white nationalist to a counter-extremist.

  142. miltonf

    I know the type Black Ball- you never get the feeling that they have your best interests at heart.

    Latham is good. Don’t always agree with him but do most of the time. I still think he should be in the Senate.

    A lot of ‘right wing’ economic stuff seems to be ‘free’ trade with starvation wages (close to slavery in some cases) countries with a good dose of McKinsey’s downsize/offshore/outsource guff. Basically screw productive working people. Case in point- NAFTA.

  143. H B Bear

    Gargooglery failing to vote makes your vote even more worthless than it typically is.

    Get back in your drawer.

  144. William the Conjuror

    I wonder how many turned up down the road in Newcastle? Maybe I need a different search engine – can’t seem to find anything about it.

    You never want to wonder …

    Sunday’s rally, highlighting the impact of racism on Indigenous justice and health, is predicted to draw about 500 people to Newcastle’s Civic Park about 1pm, with speeches and a march to Pacific Park to follow.

    Nice Sunday arvo outing for you. Take a cut lunch.

  145. Cassie of Sydney

    “MemoryFault
    #3503812, posted on July 5, 2020 at 10:01 am”

    Well said MF.

  146. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mater
    #3503804, posted on July 5, 2020 at 9:56 am”

    You were 100% right Mater.

  147. custard

    Evil Elvis and I discussed politics briefly whilst having a Coronavirus on Friday. We agreed that the only way for a truely Conservative party to exist in this country was a takeover of the Liberal party from within.

    It would take a mass joining of the party from all and sundry to ultimately change direction from grass roots.

  148. Tel

    Tel – please explain to me why someone who casts a primary vote for the SFF should be forced to have their vote end up with the Liars or the Liars-Lite?

    Because someone always wins … it doesn’t make sense to vote for the absence of a candidate.

    Systems like NSW where the preferences are optional really just means you cast a fraction of a vote for the remaining candidates (i.e. your missing vote lends weight to all other people’s votes). By using preferences you have some influence on the outcome. Liberals and Labor don’t win because the system is rigged, they win because a very large number of Australians put them as first preference every election over and over. Get that into your head and stop the bellyaching.

  149. herodotus

    Victoriastan in Lockdan. He’s gone from flattening the curve to curbing the soviet-style flats.

  150. miltonf

    Hawke cutting the tariffs in the late 80s hurt a lot of people. The rubble is still visible in Melbourne. Why? Hurt your supposed base because some theory says it’s the right thing to do? The whole economic rationalist argument has been popped when the same people are quite happy to subsibizse grotesquely inefficient electricity generation.

  151. herodotus

    The present makeup of the Liberals seems to result in ignoring the grass roots whatever they do.
    What are they good for, particularly in Victoria where they haven’t been able to counter Dan & Co.

  152. Tel

    Nothing says freedom quite like having a metaphorical bayonet nudge you into a polling station.

    The fine for not voting is less than a parking ticket.

    If you say it’s against your consciously held religious belief, you don’t even get fined. The JW’s never vote, because the Bible told them not to.

  153. H B Bear

    custard – yes we are stuck with the Lieborals. Up until Waffleworth this was probably as good as it was going to get.

  154. Cassie of Sydney

    “herodotus
    #3503824, posted on July 5, 2020 at 10:10 am
    The present makeup of the Liberals seems to result in ignoring the grass roots whatever they do.
    What are they good for, particularly in Victoria where they haven’t been able to counter Dan & Co.”

    Same in QLD…they are just Labor lite….when I see Freckleface on television I cringe.

  155. herodotus

    the same people are quite happy to subsibizse grotesquely inefficient electricity generation.
    Quite right. I love coal, would welcome nuclear, and still drive a 2017 Holden Wagon which does a great job and should still be in production.

  156. Geriatric Mayfly

    Says The Oz. Angry Youth Escorted From Lockdown Tower.

    Weren’t they told early in this pandemic, by some social welfare nutter, to stock up on their drug supply to tide them over?

  157. Tel

    One Nation has never been anything more than an opportunistic protest party that periodically provides an income for Pauline Hanson. It’s candidates are usually flat earthers who resign after their first pay check clears.

    Some of their candidates get thrown out for various reasons. Malcolm Roberts screwing up his paperwork was pretty sad, all things considered.

    Still good reason to put PHON ahead of the major parties IMHO. Every protest vote sends a message.

  158. Mater

    The fine for not voting is less than a parking ticket.

    The punishment isn’t the issue, Tel, it’s the principle.
    A parking ticket is for doing something you did of your own accord, but shouldn’t have. The fine for not voting is for not doing something, that you were ordered to do. Fundamentally different things.

    Compulsion versus volition.

  159. H B Bear

    Because someone always wins … it doesn’t make sense to vote for the absence of a candidate.

    The policies of the Liars and the Lieborals were completely different to the SFF. Some people would be quite happy to have their vote extinguish after their first preference. At law they cannot cast a valid vote and have this happen.

  160. incoherent rambler

    The whole economic rationalist argument has been popped when the same people are quite happy to subsidize grotesquely inefficient electricity generation.

    Prior to the last Victoristan election, I asked the Liberal candidate in my electorate what they would do about the closure of Hazelwood.

    Answer: What is Hazelwood?

    When a party has candidates like this, it is in deep doodoo.

  161. Ed Case

    The present makeup of the Liberals seems to result in ignoring the grass roots whatever they do.
    What are they good for, particularly in Victoria where they haven’t been able to counter Dan & Co.

    Liberalism is left of centre, Free Trade and a Big Australia have been Liberal aims from the get go in 1944.
    Political Conservatism never got a foothold in Australia, credibility destroyed by the Government of Robert Peel.

  162. Johno

    Years ago Frank Devine wrote a piece about how approximately 25% of the population did not vote. From memory it went that about 13% had their name crossed off and then stuffed a spoiled ballot in the box.About another 10% didn’t bother turning up and then either paid the fine or submitted a joke excuse,which was always accepted. I can’t remember what the others did.He put a selection of excuses that avoided the fine in the article, and it just showed that as long as you submitted something you were alright.
    If compulsory voting was scrapped we would have roughly the same participation as the USA.

  163. H B Bear

    Malcolm Roberts was probably the exception to the rule.

  164. rickw

    Glorious to watch this mission drifted unfolding clusterfuck in Australia’s dumbest state with dumbest premier:

  165. Mater

    If compulsory voting was scrapped we would have roughly the same participation as the USA.

    I’d be ok with that, Johno.
    Every vote would be from someone who gives a shit.

  166. rickw

    Tips for something every sane person should be doing:

  167. Dear Mr Rusty,

    Thank you for supporting Riccardo and
    spreading motivation to reclaim our country.

  168. Infidel Tiger King

    Things are going well in Melbourne.

    Dan Mao Andrew now having to separate third worlders from Australians with police.

    World’s most liveable shithole.

  169. MemoryFault

    Hurt your supposed base because some theory says it’s the right thing to do?

    No, Milton.
    It’s only the independents and minor parties that campaign on policies that actually represent their expression of “values”. To the mainstream parties “policies” are merely meaningless statements of whatever is deemed to win the next election. To be adopted and cast off as and when necessary. Example:

    Politically, the whole global warming/climate change BS was kicked off with the Clean Air Act, passed by the Howard LIBERAL government in September 2007. In it’s preamble it includes provision for an emissions trading scheme (ETS), to be introduced at a later dater date. This wasn’t enacted out of any concern for the environment, it was done because the Liberals had decided global warming was now an “issue”, and there was a vote in it. Rudd sold the message better and won the election.

    In the 2010 election both Liberal and Labor ran with almost identical ETS tickets, the only difference being the reserve price per tonne of CO2. Liberals went with $15.00 a tonne, Labor with $23.00. Again, neither party actually gave a stuff about the actual issue, only in harvesting votes.

    In 2013 Abbott started off campaigning to scrap the carbon tax, but move immediately to a $15.00 a tonne ETS.. That only changed when Rudd promised to scrap both the carbon tax AND the ETS, thereby forcing the Liberals to go down the same path. Again, all meaningless rhetoric meant only to harvest votes, as evidenced by Abbott’s subsequent actions.

    And so it goes. In my lifetime there have been two successful assaults on the mainstream party hold on federal politics, protected by compulsory preferential voting. The first was Don Chipp, whose party “policy” ran to just four words – “keep the bastards honest”. Later, Bob Brown launched the Australian Greens on even less – “save the planet”.

    So, the message is clear: you want to achieve something in Australian politics, get a simple message and push it into the Senate. That is your starting point.

  170. Johno

    I despise local government and refuse to vote for any of them. My wife shares my view and gets me to write the excuse to the AEC. She now writes her own after she saw what I submitted last time. She did not think “my ingrown toenail was sore that day” was a sufficient excuse. I thought it proved beyond doubt that they don’t bother reading the excuse, they just scan the barcode.

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    8th Danielle, aka Karate Poof*, masquerading as William the Something at 10.04 removes any pretense of being something other than a justifiably ridiculed tool trying to sneak back in under another handle.

    Triggered by the name of a town.

    ‘I wonder how many turned up down the road in Newcastle’ got the saliva juices flowing. Moistly.

    *Aka Danielle Denuto.

  172. stackja

    Compulsory voting in Australia

    This page has been archived as it relates to past electoral information and is no longer updated. The information may not be relevant to current electoral events.

    The significant impetus for compulsory voting at federal elections appears to have been a decline in turnout from more than 71% at the 1919 election to less than 60% at the 1922 election. The Bruce-Page government (a conservative coalition of the Nationalist and Country parties) was reluctant to be too closely identified to such a proposal.

    In 1924, a private member’s bill to amend the Electoral Act was introduced in the Senate by Senator H. J. M. Payne (Nat. Tas) sponsored in the House of Representatives by Edward Martin (Nat. Perth). It was only the third private member’s bill passed into law since 1901.

    The impact was immediate, with turnout at the 1925 election rising to over 91%.

    Victoria introduced compulsory voting in 1926, NSW and Tasmania in 1928, WA in 1936 and SA in 1942.

  173. stackja

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3503850, posted on July 5, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Any post by a “stranger” is suspect.

  174. Tel

    A parking ticket is for doing something you did of your own accord, but shouldn’t have. The fine for not voting is for not doing something, that you were ordered to do. Fundamentally different things.

    If you accept the authority of the state to tell you where you can or can’t park your car, then they pretty much have authority telling you what else you can do in your life. I would say the voting is much closer to the heart of what might be considered essential civic activity, and parking fines are the least useful government imposition. That’s my personal priorities, but we could get into a long discussion over the purpose of government, if any.

    Put it this way, if all parking fines vanished tomorrow, our lifestyle wouldn’t change much.

  175. Knuckle Dragger

    Stix at 8.27;

    +1. Bang on.

    It’s the equivalent of a ‘spot test’ they always recommend with paint or a cleaning product.

    The recommendations on labels for such tests are routinely ignored in my household, which is why I can never have nice things.

  176. johanna

    I do wish people here would do some basic research before commenting – in this case about voting in NSW elections.

    NSW does not have ‘compulsory preferential voting’ in the sense that you have to number every square, so that your second least preferred person might end up with your vote.

    NSW has optional preferential voting. You only have to number one square with a one to cast a valid vote. You don’t have to express any preferences if you don’t want to. You can stop numbering squares at any point you choose.

    Why is it that the shoutiest are so often the least informed?

  177. H B Bear

    rickw – yes, the smug satisfaction of Victoriastanis disappearing faster than the creama on a bad espresso.

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s language used and timing, stack, combined with identical triggers to someone who at one point reached the level of self-awareness to realise she (her preference) is a cock and has reached the point of no return, but not enough self-awareness to realise that if she returns two months later calling herself someone else but with the exact same shtick she won’t be recognised.

  179. Mitch M.

    Some Blind People Can Still See, And Their Brains Could Help Explain Consciousness

    Not surprising that we can be aware of something but not consciously aware of it. Blindsight was long ago elaborated upon by Nicholas Humphrey. It is not unique to humans, laboratory animals have demonstrated blindsight.

  180. Knuckle Dragger

    I just realised – self-awareness – I had one extra double negative hidden in that largish para.

    Now I’ll never get a piece in Quadrant.

  181. Infidel Tiger King

    Photo at The Oz of Victorian cops haranguing Skinnies for daring to venture out.

    What a shithole.

  182. Old School Conservative

    submitted a joke excuse,which was always accepted

    Reminds me of a distant past election when a young woman got her non-voting fine in the mail.
    She wrote back explaining she had picked up a hot guy at the pub on Friday night and spent the election weekend in the sack. No rest, no voting, just non-stop sex.
    Excuse accepted.
    (That’s how I remember the media coverage anyway)

  183. H B Bear

    New series on SBS:

    Chairman Dan v Housos

  184. Steve trickler

    Iconic imagery.



  185. bespoke

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3503858, posted on July 5, 2020 at 10:54 am

    At some point all the crazies that this site attracts blurred into one so I’m practicing social scrolling but as an opinion junky it takes some practice.

  186. Top Ender

    James Morrow on Outsiders wearing a Stars and Stripes jacket to celebrate the 4th of July.

  187. Struth

    Those candidates who don’t win and are say third down the line can hand their votes to who they have chosen as a preference, and you have no say in it, is that not the case in NSW?

  188. Helen

    That is really interesting, Mitch. I thought just great spatial awareness until the screen image test.

  189. H B Bear

    Andrew Pwobyn on Insiders 60% of SFF preferences flowed to the Liars.

    Yikes! Buttered Sav too.

  190. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Their ABC’s talking head this morning, when reporting on the impending retirement of Matthias Cormann, continually used the word tarnished legacy.

    Cormann’s legacy as a Senator is tarnished coz of his part in overthrowing Turnbull.

    Jesus wept.

  191. MemoryFault

    Hello Struth.

    No.
    Under glorious optional preferential voting as it applies in NSW, your vote stops when you do.
    For instance, if there are say, five candidates and you only number two of them – “1” and ‘2″, that’s as far as your vote goes. If they both get eliminated your vote doesn’t flow onto anyone else.

    As it should be.

  192. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Their ABC’s wymminses talking head updating the Eden-Monaro counting.
    No update, but “hopefully” enough votes will come through soon for the ALP candidate to win.

    It’s Their ABC – not ours.

  193. Johno

    Looks like 23% did not bother to vote and another 6.4% voted informal. Compulsory voting is being revealed for the joke it is.

  194. EvilElvis

    23% sounds high?

    I wonder how it compares to previous by-elections?

  195. Knuckle Dragger

    nota, at 7.51;

    ‘Flemington kengsinton legal aid have a dedicated Police Accounability Unit.
    Lots of Ethnic Africans living in the towers.’

    Yes and yes, but that’s not the major issue there.

    The Flemmo Kenno Mouthpieces Inc had always been there, a little hippie legal unit buried away somewhere in what would be an ideal setting for that ABC show about housos Des critiques from time to time. As is usually the case, it gained prominence of sorts after the jacks acted with less force than the situation perhaps required.

    This is what happened. Pack of Africans (early-mid 20s, not kids) had spent the day getting on, stealing cars and smashing punters’ homes before pinching their stuff. They got the hand on their shoulder by two wallopers in what may or may not have been the same car park as that on the teev yesterday. Stolen car sideways parked full of stolen stuff, stolen stuff on the crooks (for that they were) about to re-enter the caves, and various drugs and weapons on them. Middle of the night.

    No warning. Blades produced and it’s on like Donkey Kong. Jack 1 slashed across the chops with one knife, but instead of going all Velasquez in Aliens Jack 2 picks the nearest crook with a blade and removes fifteen (15) teeth, top and bottom rows with aid of a reversed Maglite. Remaining crooks drop all their shit and sprint at lightspeed away in different directions.

    Naturally, the FlemmoKennoScroteService publicly painted the crook (nine pages’ worth of priors, so it’s said) as the victim, picked on because bleck. This was seized on by ViPlod’s own upper management, personally led by Big Kev/the Big Blue Bean Bag*/That Fuckin’ Fat Mole^ Christine Nixon who gave the legal aid punters so much airtime, combined with her public statements that every African home invader is in fact a victim that the Accountability Unit was formed – and funded.

    It was made quite clear that no matter the circumstances, African crooks were to be bubble-wrapped and that any further complaint from that demographic would result in the individual cops receiving precisely zero support from management.

    And that’s why they tolerated the muddies pelting bottles at people attending lawful speaking events.

    Epilogue: The toothless crook got a monster payout and thankfully OD’d in a stairwell in his own cave block six months after the staggered payments started coming in. The slashed up cop spent three months in hospital getting his face put back on because the blade was contaminated with something and the surgeons could only staple together what the infection left for them.

    The other jack’s cursing to this day not taking the quicker and better option, which was leaving at least four corpses in the car park.

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    Apologies.

    *It wasn’t ‘Maximum Chips’ (h/t LL) but by Christ it should have been.
    ^Her alleged and apparent nickname amongst her troops.

  197. MemoryFault

    Compulsory voting is being revealed for the joke it is.

    Perhaps even more than you think, Johno.
    Council ections are now compulsory here in QLD, and I deliberately didn’t vote in the last one, just to see how well a Covid scare sob story would go down.

    It was a brilliant plan. Trouble is, I have heard nothing. No “please explain” letter, no demand for an explanation, no threat of a fine. Nothing.

    Given that over half the electorate DIDN’T vote at a polling booth in Eden Monaro yesterday, it suggests an interesting future for “compulsory” voting.

  198. Bruce of Newcastle

    James Morrow on Outsiders wearing a Stars and Stripes jacket to celebrate the 4th of July.

    I hope it doesn’t cost him a million dollars.

    Oklahoma State’s Gundy takes pay cut in wake of T-shirt flap (4 Jul)

    Stillwater, Okla.—Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy took a $1 million pay cut and had his contract shortened by a year as part of an internal review prompted by sharp criticism from his star running back for wearing a T-shirt promoting a far-right news channel.

    He was wearing an OAN t-shirt. I look at OANN’s website every day and it isn’t far right it’s just accurate reporting. But there you go, accurate reporting is unacceptable to the Left.

    Daniel Greenberg has an essay on this topic:

    Why the Left is Afraid of Objectivity (3 Jul)

    RTWT. Everything is now feelz not reality. How do you run a country on wishful thinking?

  199. P

    Tel #3503821, posted on July 5, 2020 at 10:07 am

    Systems like NSW where the preferences are optional really just means you cast a fraction of a vote for the remaining candidates (i.e. your missing vote lends weight to all other people’s votes). By using preferences you have some influence on the outcome.

    Correct.

    Yesterday’s Eden-Monaro Election was a Federal by-election.
    To make a formal vote on a House of Representatives ballot paper, you need to number every box with a series of consecutive numbers according to your preference.

    (Members of the Legislative Assembly are elected for a maximum term of 4 years. Each Member of the Legislative Assembly is elected to represent an electoral district of New South Wales. In an election for the Legislative Assembly electors can only vote for the candidates seeking election for the electoral district in which they are enrolled.

    The method of voting for the Legislative Assembly is known as optional preferential.

    The name of each candidate and their political party affiliation is shown on the ballot paper. The voter places the number “1” in the square next to the name of the candidate who is the voter’s first choice. No other vote need be made but the ‘optional preferential’ part gives the voter the option of allocating further preferences by placing consecutive numbers, beginning with the number “2”, in the squares next to the names of additional candidates.)

  200. Oh come on

    Oh, look. International Relations undergraduate sTan Grant has had another one of his essays published by his sheltered workshop, the ABC. He expounds upon a his brilliant and original insight – the US and China are on a collision course.

    Thankfully sTan is on the job because no one else had noticed until now.

  201. MemoryFault

    Everything is now feelz not reality. How do you run a country on wishful thinking?

    No probs, BoN.
    We’ve been doing it here in Oz for over forty years.

  202. Tintarella di Luna

    I will never forgive him for how he threw his supporters under the bus last year and pissed off into the sunset.

    . absolute bastard act and if ever I see the self-absorbed narcissist I will tell him so to his face.

  203. Anton

    Just a legal/constitutional question:

    Is it right for the Australian defense force to be used to police Australian citizens in Australia?

  204. MemoryFault

    Is it right for the Australian defense force to be used to police Australian citizens in Australia?

    If by “right” you mean “legal”, then the answer is yes, provided certain preconditions are met.

  205. cohenite

    This was on the Trump Fighting Back thread; anyone know WTF it is:

    https://twitter.com/naomiruta/status/1279506948334006272?s=21

  206. bespoke

    STEM is on the social justice chopping block, under siege on and off campus with demands for equity and diversity, that also translate into less science and more social justice. Science is denounced by social justice squads as the work of dead white men and the new leftist ideology rejects the idea that the sum of 2 and 2 consistently add up to anything except systemic racism.

    My son is frustrated with all SJW stuff even online Uni courses don’t escape it. We live to serve the autocratic state and I can’t see how to reverse it.

  207. Anton

    Thanks

    As long as a flu virus is considered a terrorist I suppose

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    No downside to this:

    ‘Qantas and Jetstar airline staff have been brought in to work in Melbourne quarantine hotels. The Herald Sun can reveal employees of the grounded carriers are helping at several major hotels in the latest major development in the coronavirus containment drama.

    ‘Hundreds of the staff will be used to replace private security operators who left in recent days.’

  209. Top Ender

    Daily Mail has some nice piccies of a screaming woman being detained by police in the Melbourne tower lockdown…

  210. MemoryFault

    you need to number every box with a series of consecutive numbers according to your preference.

    In one of the “Super Saturday” by elections, there were seventeen candidates, including Liberal, Labor, and the Greens. Those three candidates and their policies each got reasonable coverage in the MSM. As far as the other fourteen candidates were concerned, all voters got were the one paragraph explanations allowed by the AEC, and whatever they managed to have the manpower to get handed out at all the polling booths on election day.

    Anyone who claims a reasonably intelligent person can make an informed decision ranking each and every one of those seventeen candidates in any sort of meaningful order, in those circumstances, is talking out of their chute normally reserved for waste disposal.

  211. Nick

    Now I’ll never get a piece in Quadrant.

    Go on a cruise and bleat about it. Problem solved.

  212. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    cohenite #3503892, posted on July 5, 2020 at 11:52 am
    This was on the Trump Fighting Back thread; anyone know WTF it is:

    Several such videos abound Cohenite.
    Misinformation galore makes it difficult to track down the origin.

    It seems it really is in Georgia, where they have a black militia of some sort that sees itself as a sort of mirror for the KKK. They call themselves the NFAC.
    Both clubs hold rallies from time to time to beat their respective chests.

    There’s some much better vids than that one, of armed black militia conducting traffic stops at roadblocks.
    Could get interesting if it plays right out.

  213. shatterzzz

    cohenite
    #3503892, posted on July 5, 2020 at 11:52 am
    This was on the Trump Fighting Back thread; anyone know WTF it is:
    https://twitter.com/naomiruta/status/1279506948334006272?s=21

    Stone Mountain is the home of the Confederate Memorial carving so I’d say this from gathering is neither Antifas or BLM .. LOL!
    https://ibb.co/BCTXvHw

  214. woolfe

    Will Dan charge them for police used in locking them up

  215. shatterzzz

    MemoryFault
    #3503886, posted on July 5, 2020 at 11:45 am
    Everything is now feelz not reality. How do you run a country on wishful thinking?

    No probs, BoN.
    We’ve been doing it here in Oz for over forty years.

    +100

  216. cohenite

    Anton
    #3503890, posted on July 5, 2020 at 11:48 am
    Just a legal/constitutional question:
    Is it right for the Australian defense force to be used to police Australian citizens in Australia?

    See the Defence Act 1903. There is no hard and fast guideline defining ADF action in internal issues.

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Under glorious optional preferential voting as it applies in NSW, your vote stops when you do.
    For instance, if there are say, five candidates and you only number two of them – “1” and ‘2″, that’s as far as your vote goes.

    Peter MF – I like the system, but I was stuck in the last couple of state elections because I couldn’t even get as far as the “1”. It really sucks when there’s no one you can in conscience vote for. And I don’t have that high a threshold.

  218. stackja

    Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr
    #3503899, posted on July 5, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    Naomi
    @naomiruta
    In Stone Mountain, Georgia earlier today
    Naomi
    @naomiruta
    Digital creative, strategist, & organizer | now:
    @georgiademocrat
    | then: DCCC, Hub Project | forever: #TeamAbrams
    @georgiademocrat
    Official Twitter account for the Democratic Party of Georgia.

  219. Bruce of Newcastle

    Now I’ll never get a piece in Quadrant.

    Go on a cruise and bleat about it.

    Or you could do a thousand years of history and mythology.
    Just sayin.

  220. MemoryFault

    I couldn’t even get as far as the “1”.

    Hello Bruce.

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t believe in compulsory voting at all. However, for as long as we’re stuck with it, I’d much prefer the allocation of preferences, at least, to be optional.

  221. Ed Case

    23% sounds high?

    I wonder how it compares to previous by-elections?

    80% is average turnout for a B/E. Some have been in the high sixties.

  222. C.L.

    The team at The Australian seems to be having a joint nervous breakdown or something.
    China about to invade, Sheridan says virus is defeating “humanity.”
    The hysteria at that newspaper over the last week has been astonishing.

    Now Fergo is losing it …

    Victoria is losing the fight
    Forget all the cliches about Daniel Andrews and his cabinet. The Melbourne public housing shutdown is a clear sign of a government running out of time.

    1 HOUR AGO By JOHN FERGUSON

    On the China/defence spending announcement, I’m happy to see Mark Latham out there on his own calling Total Bullshit on Morrison’s 1930s redux bullshit.

  223. woolfe

    I think Riccardo posted on Twitter once that he didn’t join One Nation because Pauline tended to trust the wrong people, didn’t our conservative hero Abbott put her in jail because some of her people may have done dodgy stuff, or something? Also what is the anti 5g shit he is going on about, this is a bit weird.

    Even if the inner libs were taken over by real people as Custard suggested it would make no difference as the candidates were chosen by factions not the members.

  224. C.L.

    Tips for something every sane person should be doing:

    That bloke is good.

  225. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    STEM is on the social justice chopping block, under siege on and off campus with demands for equity and diversity, that also translate into less science and more social justice.

    a new dark age begins

  226. Tintarella di Luna

    I will tell him so to his face.

    I mean both of them of course.

  227. MemoryFault

    Just for you Bruce.
    Three minutes of the late, great George Carlin on voting. Especially the last minute.
    (Warning – swear words).

  228. C.L.

    Real Mark [email protected]
    Jul 2

    Have people seriously forgotten the 1930s: a resource/trade starved Japan hatching plans for Pearl Harbour; Hitler reclaiming the Rhineland, Austria, Sudetenland and Czech lands, and beginning extermination of the Jews?
    Is Morrison the new Menzies, cashing in on Cold War fears?

    The shame is, in the week the great Owen Harries passed away, we have so few astute Realists left in the Australian foreign policy debate.
    Plus the Murdochs rattle the sabre because of Wendy Deng – geez, what a way to craft Australia’s place in the world, securely and adeptly!!

    I’m just saying the dumbest point to start in foreign policy is with people who have been wrong all their lives, like Sheridan and Jennings. And kooks like ‘Maginot Line’ Andrew Hastie.
    Australia’s future, our young people deserve better than this kind of foreign policy failure.

  229. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t believe in compulsory voting at all. However, for as long as we’re stuck with it, I’d much prefer the allocation of preferences, at least, to be optional.

    It was explained to me, in all seriousness, several years ago, by a “good Labor man” – “I’ve voted Labor all my life, and my dad before me, and his dad before him” – that, if you ever got rid of compulsory voting, the Labor Party would never get elected. How I kept a straight face….

  230. C.L.

    Real Mark [email protected]
    Jul 2

    Have people seriously forgotten the 1930s: a resource/trade starved Japan hatching plans for Pearl Harbour; Hitler reclaiming the Rhineland, Austria, Sudetenland and Czech lands, and beginning extermination of the J—-s?
    Is Morrison the new Menzies, cashing in on Cold War fears?

    The shame is, in the week the great Owen Harries passed away, we have so few astute Realists left in the Australian foreign policy debate.
    Plus the Murdochs rattle the sabre because of Wendy Deng – geez, what a way to craft Australia’s place in the world, securely and adeptly!!

    I’m just saying the dumbest point to start in foreign policy is with people who have been wrong all their lives, like Sheridan and Jennings. And kooks like ‘Maginot Line’ Andrew Hastie.
    Australia’s future, our young people deserve better than this kind of foreign policy failure.

  231. Twostix

    Imagine living in a white traditionalist suburb.

    If the ultra-woke bolshevik bugman andrews government will do this to their pets with the a-ok of the entire bugman apparatus imagine what they’re going to do to their enemy: you.

  232. rickw

    ‘Flemington kengsinton legal aid have a dedicated Police Accounability Unit.
    Lots of Ethnic Africans living in the towers.’

    Mass third world immigration boosts the economy? Maybe in legal and policing sectors? Perhaps in the Soviet Ghetto Tower Block construction?

    WTF does Australia need hordes of African’s telling us we’re racist whilst on welfare provided by us dumb crackers?

    Australia is making the same mistake the USA made 300 years ago, it will end just as badly but sooner. There is clearly something at work here, 300 years separated and only a small percentage don’t behave in the same African / tribal / brutal fashion.

    I can’t help conclude that it’s in the DNA, like a cat trying to become a dog, 300 years of intensive work and the freaking thing is still a cat.

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