“Time for a class action by the people of Australia against Daniel Andrews”

This may be the longest letter to the editor I have ever seen at the Oz. And it’s right on the money.

History may be repeating itself. According to the National Museum of Australia, the 1918-19 flu pandemic started in Australia in Melbourne, in January 1919, and then spread to the rest of the country after the Victorian health authorities were slow to react.

Why have things gone wrong this time? It is hard to go past the conclusion that, encouraged by their Government, people in Victoria Health have not been paying attention to what should be their core duties.

If we start with Brett Sutton, the Chief Health Officer, we find that he was the main author of a paper in the Medical Journal of Australia published in May. Did this, for example, deal with ways of shortening long waiting lists or preventing people with psychiatric illness becoming homeless? Not at all. Instead, the hospital system was seen, not as a place to look after the sick, but a big polluter: “In 2018–19 every occupied bed-day in a Victorian public hospital generated on average 120kg of carbon dioxide equivalents and 3.65kg of waste, and used 630L of water.”

And it’s not just Australia’s sick contaminating the planet: “If the global health sector were a country, it would be the fifth‐largest greenhouse gas emitter on the planet.” And the plan to improve the hospital system? “It requires all public hospitals and health services to have an environmental management plan and report publicly on their environmental performance.”

Then we have Dr Annaliese van Diemen, Deputy Chief Health Officer (Communicable Disease), sending a tweet in the midst of the pandemic to the effect that James Cook was “an invader from another land, decimating populations, creating terror”.

It may be said that people in Victoria Health are intelligent people who can do two things at once, but the evidence does not support this. How do we prevent this happening again? Make people do their job and not grandstand. If the virus does now take hold, it might also be time for a class action by the people of Australia against Daniel Andrews and the Victorian Health Department, run by Maurice Blackburn, of course.

Paddy Grattan-Smith, Matraville, NSW

Andrews is the most incompetent political leader I have ever witnessed in all the years since I arrived in Australia. He has ruined Victoria’s economy, and with his role in “the National Cabinet” he has done much to wreck much else as well. What do we know about his agreements with the Chinese? What is the actual off-the-books level of debt in still uncompleted road and rail constructions? He can talk the talk, but is so far out of his depths in everything he deals with that had he set out to deliberately ruin the place he could not have done a better job.

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72 Responses to “Time for a class action by the people of Australia against Daniel Andrews”

  1. stackja

    Dan also supervised Lawyer X and persecution of GP.

  2. Hay Stockard

    Victorian’s get what they vote for. He didn’t have to have any influence at all nationally but some idiot decided to have a National Cabinet. I don’t recall voting about that.

  3. Anonandon

    I’m a Victorian. The place is a socialist sh!t hole and Melbourne has been going downhill for the last 25 years. It was a fabulous place in the 1990’s. Population sweet spot – low traffic congestion, lots of things going on, plenty of room to move, property prices reasonable, rents reasonable. It deserved the title – World’s Most Liveable City.

  4. stackja

    HS – State premiers failed with water policy, bush fire policy now disease control. Canberra trying to fill void.

  5. min

    No breathalyser done for the accident that badly injured young boy . That’s where the firies got him by the s&cs that led to demise of CFA , outrageous increase in salaries and holidays. All the gang violence ignored as well the state has become a socialist nightmare.

  6. Real Deal

    Andrews is the most incompetent political leader I have ever witnessed in all the years since I arrived in Australia.

    Bang on, Steve. Yet he will almost certainly be reelected because of a useless and compliant media and a largely incompetent opposition who think that being a conservative opposition means rolloing over on every socially progressive agenda that the left presents.

  7. Roger

    The place is a socialist sh!t hole and Melbourne has been going downhill for the last 25 years. It was a fabulous place in the 1990’s. Population sweet spot – low traffic congestion, lots of things going on, plenty of room to move, property prices reasonable, rents reasonable. It deserved the title – World’s Most Liveable City.

    You can blame that on John Howard, not Dan Andrews.

    From the population growth ponzi scheme to midle class welfare, Howard is the architect of modern Australia.

  8. H B Bear

    Melbournibad’s natural advantage is it is surrounded by flat cow paddocks and is still enjoying the 1890 investment in infrastructure. Land developers do not even need a bulldozer. It has a shed load of ex-Holden land the unions have freed up on the city’s doorstep.

  9. NoFixedAddress

    But who actually runs Victoria, or any other State/Territory in Australia?

    The Victorian public sector is a 300,000 strong workforce employed by the Victorian Government to provide services and support for Victorians.

    We are the people in 1800 different departments, agencies and organisations across Victoria who deliver services to the public.

    https://careers.vic.gov.au/victorian-public-sector

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victorian_government_agencies

  10. Damon

    When none of the other states have a problem, it’s not the coronavirus, it’s Victoria.

  11. H B Bear

    When you have ambulances and fire trucks allowed to used to display electoral material, and then vote them in, you get the government you deserve.

  12. TFX

    My knowledge is from a senior hospital worker in a state other than Victoria. A comment from this person was that Victoria had the worst reputation amongst all the states on their hospital administrative structure. Queensland as an example has 16 hospital districts for the state covering both private and public hospitals. Some of the districts are actually quite small in terms of bed numbers and facilities but cover huge geographical areas. NSW has 18 and WA 3, again covering geographical areas. If there needs to be a discussion or a centralised decision to be agreed upon, the states with hospital districts only need to involve the CEOs of the districts. Victoria has to engage all 84 of its hospital CEOs. Victoria has the reputation of cumberness in any kind of centralised decision making for dealing with health emergencies. When there are working models that are regarded as effective by hospital professionals, why hasn’t Victoria adopted best practice?

  13. candy

    Can’t help but think if the people cooped up were not commission residents, this type of abrupt locked in procedure would not happen.
    There seems some discrimination there, not sure if against their housing status or perhaps some cultural discrimination.

  14. Tel

    Dang, I posted a similar comment but you beat me to it. I swear I hadn’t seen this one beforehand but I had been reading up on the Spanish Flu history.

  15. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Time for a class action by the people of Australia against Daniel Andrews

    Sod lawyers’ picnics – he should be dragged out into Spring St and summarily executed.

    Along with Sutton and the van Dieman slag.

  16. 2dogs

    The are suburbs in Melbourne where VicPol have moderated their enforcement of COVID-19 restrictions due to cultural sensitivities:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzh_1WJV0bk

    And so, COVID-10 has flared up in these suburbs. Pandering to minority cultures has hurt the very people it was intended to help – it’s counter-productive anti-bigotry. If you ever need to understand why some ethnic minorities are worse off, the reason is this kind of problem.

  17. Roger

    The are suburbs in Melbourne where VicPol have moderated their enforcement of COVID-19 restrictions due to cultural sensitivities

    So “We’re all in this together” doesn’t apply to some?

  18. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Enough migrants, yuppies, green idiots and handouts to keep labor in power for ever! The long march has been a complete success.

  19. H B Bear

    bounty – don’t forget the academics,

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    Was there a ‘without notice’ lockdown of Kooyong, or Malvern or East Melbourne when hotspots flared due to elites returning from their winter wonderland escapes to Cortina d’Ampezzo.

  21. Squirrel

    This is the sort of stuff that happens when gifted political bull artists – and those surrounding them – start believing their own bull. It never ends well.

    On the population ponzi debate above – yes, Howard kicked it off, but Labor has totally sold out and we now have state and territory Labor governments fully signed up to the ponzi, and pushing for the overseas student trade (in some ways the keystone of the ponzi arch) to be re-started a.s.a.p.

  22. Megan

    Was there a ‘without notice’ lockdown of Kooyong, or Malvern or East Melbourne when hotspots flared due to elites returning from their winter wonderland escapes to Cortina d’Ampezzo.

    Hahahahaha! No.

  23. Gerry

    You organise Security Firms to guard quarantine ……did any minister oversee the development of appropriate guidelines, the training of the staff, the implementation of appropriate guidelines or even a review of how the guidelines were working …..we are talking about health of thousands of Victorians ….follow through on directions is hardly exceptional administration of a critical plan ….

  24. Tom

    Simon Goodwyn is a dud coach. Melbourne thought they could beat the reigning premiers, but Blind Freddy could have told them they were dreaming. I blame Paul Roos.

  25. Rockdoctor

    I’m a Victorian. The place is a socialist sh!t hole and Melbourne has been going downhill for the last 25 years. It was a fabulous place in the 1990’s. Population sweet spot – low traffic congestion, lots of things going on, plenty of room to move, property prices reasonable, rents reasonable. It deserved the title – World’s Most Liveable City.

    As an ex-resident with relatives still in the state well said. Food well there was Lygon st. Partying many places but I was partial to Swan st in Richmond with a great pub band scene or if your cup of tea Comedy towards South Yarra on other weeknights, though Hawthorn had a few good venues for a sesh on Sundays. I remember getting the train from Flinders st to Frankston to make my way down the Morning Peninsula during Summer with nary a problem in that area. Something I wouldn’t attempt these days.

    I left not because of Kennett, was a big fan but because miners don’t make money in Victoria and still are fairly amateurish. Even the gold miners were of smaller scale. I jumped to Queensland like many others but with different reasons. I visit Victoria a few times a year, sad to see what it has become.

  26. Wallace

    As a Victorian, I weep tears of blood with what is happening. The media is manipulating us, the labor government at the behest of the unions is taking us down the socialist road at full speed, and the premier is just so dictatorial and offensive that it is just not funny.
    But what can people who think like me do about it? Nothing.

  27. egg_

    No breathalyser done for the accident that badly injured young boy

    A corrupted loser.

  28. egg_

    State premiers failed with water policy, bush fire policy now disease control.

    Seasonal flu?
    Are Undertakers raking it in?

  29. Speedbox

    candy
    #3504201, posted on July 5, 2020 at 4:54 pm
    Can’t help but think if the people cooped up were not commission residents, this type of abrupt locked in procedure would not happen. There seems some discrimination there, not sure if against their housing status or perhaps some cultural discrimination.

    Toorak? Malvern? hahahaha, yeah, sure. Those in the commission units are easy targets with little (if any) political or commercial clout. They epitomize ‘low hanging fruit’. Confined by force and virtually compelled to undergo testing.

    The Andrews Govt handling of this deserves special mention on the scale of clusterfvcks although the damage done to the other individual State economies and the federal economy is staggering.

    What is scary is the ‘ease’ with which most of the populace has complied. Don’t think for a moment that it hasn’t gone unnoticed. Less than six months ago Australians were going about their business in what passes for freedom in this country. Then, most were confined, restricted, threatened and some fined for transgressions. All duly noted for future reference.

  30. Anonandon

    You can blame that on John Howard, not Dan Andrews

    That would suggest every city in Australia has undergone the same degradation. Is that the case? Any other city residents care to comment?

  31. Tintarella di Luna

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3504318, posted on July 5, 2020 at 6:44 pm
    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/07/its-not-a-crisis-until-the-greens-show-up-to-exploit-it.html

    I wonder if they should check the handwriting of the Michael Sandshoe’s li’l helper Xiaoran Shi

  32. nb

    The China party. Daniel’s ‘management’ is designed to give China an easy takeover.

  33. jupes

    You organise Security Firms to guard quarantine ……

    A security firm supplied the guards when I did 2 weeks quarantine in Perth. There was one per floor. The first time I stuck my head outside the door I was told to get back in, however over the fortnight I occasionally had a short conversation with the guard at an appropriate distance, who no doubt was as bored as me.

    No offers of being smuggled out for a walk or offers of a root though, so I reckon they were a bit more professional than the Victorian guards.

  34. Rob MW

    “…………………but is so far out of his depths in everything he deals with that had he set out to deliberately ruin the place he could not have done a better job.”

    Socialism is an extenuating circumstance. Of course it also helps being ignorantly fucking stupid.

  35. Luke

    Dan can stuff up anything and everything he wants. Every Labor voter I talk to will vote Labor no matter what. At best you get some toy with the idea of voting Greens.

    Dan could march at the front of a column of CCP Tanks down Bourke Street and the party faithful would still vote for him.

    Non Labor voters have been leaving the State for years.

  36. herodotus

    A properly functioning democracy can only happen with honest, ethical, critical media.

  37. Ceres

    Wuhan had a lockdown with doors barred. Victoria is the only place to replicate this with the 9 towers total lockdown. Belt and Road and now this. Following in the CCP footsteps,
    Dicatator Dan. Power corrupts and absolute…..
    Here in Vic we had 5 weeks of no golf no fishing no surfing. Nowhere else in the world did no golf take place.
    So many here detest this dictator who berates citizens yet stuffs up with incompetence on a grand scale. I wish Morrison would call this cretin out.

  38. Fisky

    Lots of Leftists very unhappy with this lockdown. What changed???

  39. Megan

    I’m pretty certain that two old women in the suburbs who had successfully raised families to be fully functioning, employed adults could have run the quarantine programs at the Stamford and Rydges without any help from any the health professionals in the public service and made a far, far better fist of it.

    In the style of Mrs Hughes and Mrs Patmore at Downton.

  40. Eyrie

    Hope those towers don’t have flammable insulation.

  41. mindfree

    I wish Morrison would call this cretin out.
    Sorry Ceres, you have to be joking, Scotty from Marketing is retarded clown who’s just learnt how to become a dangerous idiot and passing with flying colours. He created the National Cabinet that enabled these premier maggots to fester

  42. Eyrie

    “I’m a Victorian. The place is a socialist sh!t hole and Melbourne has been going downhill for the last 25 ”

    I spent 5 years in Melbourne in 1971 (it seemed like it!). I thought it was a polluted shithole then. Really bad traffic with utterly mad drivers.

  43. HT

    Fisky
    #3504405, posted on July 5, 2020 at 8:21 pm
    Lots of Leftists very unhappy with this lockdown. What changed???

    The “targets”. They are poor / POC / minorities/ underprivileged/ druggies/ whatever; but they are not “privileged whites” who would obviously deserve this kind of treatment /sarc off

    It’s one of the few times I agree with the thrust of their argument, it’s outrageous the way this has and is being handled, Australia is better than this.

  44. HT

    BTE. The management of the quarantine in Victoria has Ben, literally, a cluster fuck.

  45. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘though Hawthorn had a few good venues for a sesh on Sundays.’

    Indeed it does. Or did.

    The Geebung Polo Club. Outstanding venue and a few stats to boot.

  46. nb

    Ceres, #3504403 says: ‘Wuhan had a lockdown with doors barred. Victoria is the only place to replicate this with the 9 towers total lockdown. Belt and Road and now this. Following in the CCP footsteps’
    The China party, accommodating the ambitions of their masters. Australians have never been so betrayed.

  47. nb

    Ceres, #3504403 says: ‘Wuhan had a lockdown with doors barred. Victoria is the only place to replicate this with the 9 towers total lockdown. Belt and Road and now this. Following in the CCP footsteps’
    The China party. Australians have never been so betrayed.

  48. Rockdoctor

    The Geebung Polo Club.

    LOL had that one in mind when writing. Wonder if it is still there and of the same quality.

  49. PB

    If Andrews is the worst Kates has seen, then he must have come here after the Joan Kirner reign-of-stupid.

  50. Yarpos

    Bad traffic in 1971 Eyrie? Bit delusional i think, it wasnt much more than a big country town.

    Got to admire how the Ruby Princess has been sent down the memory hole, Gladys and co will be loving this. Dan is really only meeting expectations. When he and his ministers do any real and measurable it is a stuff up. They excel at empathy, empty gestures and virtue signalling.

  51. min

    Hope this major stuff turns into major Karma for Dictator Dan who is out throwing money around as if he has his own printer in Vic Treasury. Guess there might be plenty of Chinese cash there but all I can see is him suddenly having family issues ,resigning to go on an unbelievable pension because of the raise he gave himself and then getting another position like all the other political failures . Victoria will be left with unfinished roads, tunnels, etc and no money to finish .
    Friend rang local member for Hawthorn ,Labor ,a few weeks ago to ask where the latest 25 billion he had borrowed was coming from and was told Victorian TreasuryDepartment . Well that’s how stupid they think we are, 50% of the population are at least . And yes they are the ones who think he is doing a good job IQ below 83 .

  52. Crossie

    From the population growth ponzi scheme to midle class welfare, Howard is the architect of modern Australia.

    Population growth must be sheeted home to every government and prime minister since Howard. Those permanent residency visa factories we call universities have contributed far more to the immigration numbers than any refugee program. Those high rises springing up like mushrooms all over suburban centres have only started in the last five to ten years.

  53. Crossie

    Gerry
    #3504267, posted on July 5, 2020 at 5:51 pm
    You organise Security Firms to guard quarantine ……did any minister oversee the development of appropriate guidelines, the training of the staff, the implementation of appropriate guidelines or even a review of how the guidelines were working …..we are talking about health of thousands of Victorians ….follow through on directions is hardly exceptional administration of a critical plan ….

    After the Diamond Princess shemozzle in Japan you would think all state and federal health departments would have a disaster plan outlining what to do in case it happens in their waters and will do it and how. Then along comes Ruby Princess and we find out no such preparedness in the NSW Health, you would think this would be a reminder to the rest of the states. Six months down the track we find out there is still no policy or procedure in place.

    Let’s ask ourselves, what is it these monumentally paid bureaucrats do all day? If virtually signalling tweets are the extent of their skills then any teenager can do it.

    Who knew that, compared to bureaucrats, teenagers really do know everything?

  54. Up The Workers!

    Dodgy Dan really cares about the health of Victorians.

    Two years ago, a good friend was hospitalised in a major Melbourne metro hospital for two months after suffering an acute stroke. All the meals at this major hospital with hundreds of beds (and a couple of other hospitals besides) were cooked or prepared off-site, and delivered by special trucks to the site.

    It didn’t take long for this friend to realise that although he was a Type 2 diabetic, and the sign above his bed said that a strict Diabetic dietary regime was to be applied, all of the pre-packed meals he was served for the whole 2 months were labelled: “Gluten Free” – not “Diabetic Meals”, and almost without exception, contained 4 times the sugar content than anything he regularly consumed at home. When he complained repeatedly to nurses or doctors about the highly irregular and possibly dangerous diet, he was told: “It is disgraceful; scandalous; but what can you do? This is the way meals have been ever since they went off-site”.

    Maybe it is my suspicious mind, but I couldn’t help thinking that one of Dodgy’s many crooked Labor “little maaaates” is sitting fat and happy and counting all his truckloads of ill-gotten cash having been awarded a typically non-tendered, tender to supply those unfortunate hospital patients with their food – regardless of their state of health.

    If something can be done incompetently or corruptly, that is the way that Dodgy and the “fugs” will do it.

  55. Struth

    Maybe this totalitarian socialist dictator and therefore complete psychopath gets away with this shit because even here, he is given a pass as being “incompetent”

    Australia, you’re standing in it.
    He’s doing everything he wants and is enjoying every second of it.
    And none of us in any state is now safely free of this.
    He’s just the one with the balls, in his eyes, to show the rest how it’s done.
    Evil is not incompetence.
    He’s closer to Hitler than he is to an incompetent.
    He’s a fucking monster.

  56. Struth

    And how many new deaths have there been to warrant this?
    How many falling over in the streets?

    The level of denialism as to what is going on here is exactly why it is going on.

  57. GP

    Are the lockdown postcodes in VIC contained in electorates that Chairman Dan wants to punish?

  58. cuckoo

    Andrews has at least succeded in wiping branch-stacking off the front page, or even p.47. And the Age/ABC, which have always desperately wanted their own version of London’s Grenfell Tower disaster, now has a reasonable facsimile thereof.

    Much bleating on the ABC last night that some of the food being provided to tower residents was “not culturally appropriate”. And I saw one young black resident, acting as a self-appointed spokesman, with a marked London/Ali G accent. WTF?

  59. mem

    It didn’t take long for this friend to realise that although he was a Type 2 diabetic, and the sign above his bed said that a strict Diabetic dietary regime was to be applied, all of the pre-packed meals he was served for the whole 2 months were labelled: “Gluten Free” – not “Diabetic Meals”, and almost without exception, contained 4 times the sugar content than anything he regularly consumed at home.

    My friend and neighbour had to spend 3 months in rehab in Glenwaverly and was also a diabetic. I went to see her at the end of the first week and she was slurring and disoriented. When her meal arrived it too was gluten free and stacked with sugar. I went to the Nurse in charge and complained and then called her doctor at the local clinic.It took two days to rectify. Plus they were not giving her correct vitamins that meant being a diabetic she wasn’t healing. Most of her nurses barely spoke English let alone could read labels. My guess is many diabetics have died because of this absolute disgrace.

  60. mem

    Seasonal flu?
    Are Undertakers raking it in?

    Interesting you should question the virus’s potency.
    There are currently only .037 with active virus and only 104 deaths Australia wide. Of these deaths just over 30% were in end of life care related to illness. And nearly all others died with Covid 19. ie they had other problems and tested positive which doesn’t mean it necessarily killed them. It is far behind the Spanish Flu as a pandemic and people are not dropping dead from it as happened back then. Dan’s reaction is totally over the top and unwarranted.

  61. mem

    Note my error.

    There are currently only .037 with active virus and only 104 deaths Australia wide

    Should read .o37% of the population with active virus.

  62. Struth

    Everyone knows no one died before cofib19 came along.

    And every one of those that didn’t die but did die, had an autopsy carried out on them because no doctor has ever signed a CoD certificate of a 95 year old who’s suffered many strokes, heart attacks, skin cancers and emphysema from smoking and weighs 30kilos as he wastes away, without a serious autopsy being first completed.

  63. Perfidious Albino

    The Geebung is now ‘The Auburn Hotel’, still pretty good.

  64. theleftfootkick

    I can ‘t believe he grew up on a farm, he must have hated it big time and has always sought ultimate revenge on country towns!

  65. With a CV like the one Andrews has – Uni BA & Labor staffer – with these brilliant “credentials” is it any wonder that Victoria is and will be in a shit hole for ages to come. His now proven shortages of life/work experiences are shared unfortunately by many within the Victorian Parliament. I realised after spending 5 years watching these incompetents who were being elected and it going from bad to worse I upped & left 5 years ago so Good Luck to all that haven’t cottoned on yet – You are going to need it!

  66. Beachcomber

    Struth at 9:20 am

    And how many new deaths have there been to warrant this?
    How many falling over in the streets?

    The level of denialism as to what is going on here is exactly why it is going on.

    Indeed. To be where we are now we have to enter a make-believe world (of the idiotic)—where everyone is absolutely sure a new deadly super-infectious Coronavirus was discovered in China, and the worthless diagnostic tests mean something, and the “case” numbers are real and meaningful, and more than half a million people have been killed by a virus that has not even been shown to exist. When we accept the whole vicious charade of Covid-1984 we then make excuses for Andrews et. al. and meekly accept their assaults on Reason, decency and our freedoms.
    These seem to be the death throes of Western Civilisation. But it’s not a virus that is killing it, it is committing suicide.

  67. Struth

    Indeed. To be where we are now we have to enter a make-believe world (of the idiotic)—where everyone is absolutely sure a new deadly super-infectious Coronavirus was discovered in China, and the worthless diagnostic tests mean something, and the “case” numbers are real and meaningful, and more than half a million people have been killed by a virus that has not even been shown to exist. When we accept the whole vicious charade of Covid-1984 we then make excuses for Andrews et. al. and meekly accept their assaults on Reason, decency and our freedoms.
    These seem to be the death throes of Western Civilisation. But it’s not a virus that is killing it, it is committing suicide.

    Thanks Beachcomber, I come on here for some sanity among reasoned folk.
    Thank Christ you’re still here.

  68. Beachcomber

    Likewise Struth. Please keep on with your comments. In these very dark times I need to know that you and other reasoned folks are still out there.

  69. Narwhal Tusk

    Reading about the Geebung Polo Club sure brings back memories of Melbourne when it was not a bad place.
    A good fun Friday could commence for example with lunch at the Albion in South Melbourne, a pitstop at the Tapestry Lounge at the Hilton or the Anchor & Hope in Richmond and then on to what was known as the Bermuda Triangle – Jules Winebar followed by the Tok H and then on to Silvers.
    Just to name a few hotspots. There were so many good places I’ve forgotten without a memory jog like the Geebung.
    The Bermuda triangle was a place where many a good man or woman was lost for at least the rest of the weekend.
    No one was in your face over every little thing, the traffic was bearable and it was good place to be.
    I escaped Melbourne 20 years ago. It is now an absolute shithole.

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