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I’ve wondered whether she was coerced into returning to the US (when she didn’t have to do so) with threats to her life and that her job is to testify that Trump and a few other non-essentials were involved in all of this sordid stuff. Once convicted, she’ll get a lenient sentence and then if Trump loses, be given a get of of jail early card (and forgotten by the media). It’s just odd how this has happened right at this time (amongst other things).
Any article that begins with “I was introduced by the Clintons and Rothchilds” should have so many alarm bells going you are rendered deaf.
Talk about elite level scumbag swampiness.
He’s guilty as sin.
JohnJJJ – my thoughts too
Funny stuff.
Why?
Dershowitz is an Illuminati rapist too?
“She was just 21 years old when she first met Ghislaine Maxwell …”
LOL.
My sympathies for her impending suicide. Is it too early to say Ghislaine didn’t kill herself?
In the words of somebody or other,”It’s baddies versus baddies.”
I like Dershowitz; apart from having a great name, he defended the hell out of Trump at the impeachment fiasco and he is a very good legal scholar. He hasn’t appeared on Fox recently although I haven’t been watching Ingraham lately which is where he mainly hung out.
Which ever way you toss it this is a murky story with, as someone described Vanity Fair once, it being mainly a sordid story about 10th rank people trying to become 9th rank.
As usual the full story is provided on The Smoking Gun. Can you say most of these girls knew exactly what they were getting themselves into?
And now they have transferred Ms Maxwell to the same New York prison where Epstein “committed suicide” in mysterious circumstances. Really, that’s about as bizarre as, say, warehousing COVID patients in nursing homes … Oh, wait …
You’re accepting the spin about how they were recruited.
Where’s the evidence for that?
The girl photographed with Prince A. and Maxwell?
She looks and sounds dodgy to me.
I’m sure Ghislaine will be on suicide watch.
Just like Jeff.
More than likely. He definitely knew what was going on.
More than likely. He definitely knew what was going on.
When will Bill Clinton be investigated?
So everyone should keep an open mind about Maxwell as they should about others who have been accused by Epstein’s alleged victims.
Except for the little grit in the oyster of Epstein being a convicted kiddy aficionado who escaped serious jail time because ….???
And was still feted and visited by the “best and brightest’ to kiddie r$$pe island afterwards.
Im 99% sure Epstein was running a massive intelligence/blackmail ring, probably for multiple alphabet agencies from multiple countries.
There is a reason Ghi Maxwell was hiding in plain sight in posh acreage New Hampshire.
The fix is in.
All the perversion was done by Epstein and Andrew Windsor. Guilty as Joe Fuck.
The rest of the names were there for the sparkling conversation you get with 14 year olds.
That Spectator article is now paywalled for me.
What year is Alan D saying he was introduced to Gizzer?
Epstein was a pervert with a side business of underage girls, not just the young girls/aspiring models etc hanging around and partying with rich men, but kids.
Whether he offered them to the rich and famous, but he was incredibly wealthy and so is this Maxwell lady.
POS Epstein’s conviction has no bearing legally on the truth of Maxwell’s accusers’ claims.
We are living in an era of witch hunts.
Demonstrably, as Dershowitz demonstrates, those accusers are liars and criminals. One of them tried to take him out with a charge later withdrawn as a fabrication.
Of course she will be sent to the New York jail Epstein was murdered in
.the staff there are very experienced at terminating awkward witnesses to the elites filthy habits .
We cant have the proles feeling contempt for their betters can we .
Story here
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/06/former-reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-claims-she-knew-about-epstein-maxwell-pedo-network-said-nothing/
Amazes me how quickly some Cats on this site can so quickly come to a conclusion based on no more than a single outline posted by another Cat contributor.
It seems a widespread phenomenon across the globe.
London Police Commissioner arrives arrives on site where several passing tourists have been stabbed by a person of ME appearance – and instantly advises there is absolutely no terrorist involvement.
Similarly in Melbourne about a year ago 19 hospitalised after a car was driven into the CBD crowd and people stabbed and less than 10 minutes later it was confidently declared to be “not a terrorist attack”.
Damn these coppers are good.
Ummm….it was subsequently established they were bloody wrong…completely and utterly bloody wrong.
Never mind …moving right along…nothing to see here…and stop calling me Shirley.
The thing is: If I ever get into serious strife and appear before a court could all these experts go on a holiday because I definitely do not want them on a jury I might face or contributing in any manner to the prosecution especially as an “expert”.
To be specific I guess Maxwell may well be as “guilty as sin”.
But I have this thing about evidence.
Call me old fashioned but I do really like to hear and see the evidence in a properly convened court.
I’m firmly with CL & John Dee.
Gargooglery, I don’t talk to socks. Go fornicate yourself.
Pao is a dishonest, extremist lunatic.
You realize Trump is part of this circle too, right? And you can bet your bottom dollar he would’ve been part of the most depraved aspects too.
Or does that not matter when he promises to build a wall he never had any intent to build, or something?
So this is a scumbaggy swamp is all yours.
Yep, looks like a lot of grifters and angry prostitutes realizing they could’ve been paid a lot more looking for a pay day after the fact.
Thanks for calling this stuff out even if it doesn’t involve a Catholic priest, nor even people in your own political tribe.
Steve Bing’s late girlfriend ‘urged him to expose paedophile pal Jeffery Epstein’
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/steve-bings-late-girlfriend-urged-22269473
Everyone seems to end up dead. Funny that.
POS Epstein’s conviction has no bearing legally on the truth of Maxwell’s accusers’ claims.
That would hold much more water if they had shown any signs they were discomforted by staying in contact (especially Maxwell) with a convicted pedo who apparently continued on with his perversions.
Yes there will be grifters etc in the accusers, its almost baked into their backgrounds but this is an “elite” who were apparently fine with parties at which rather young girls seemed to be the main attraction.
There are times when you are wise to draw certain conclusions about people based on the company they keep.
We’re constantly being told that powerful people are sweating following Maxwell’s arrest.
I suspect her accusers are the ones sweating.
They wanted a settlement but now they’re going to be cross-examined under oath.
All those saying, “Where is the evidence?”. That is what the courts and the Rules of evidence are for. Early days yet. Still if I were Maxwell I wouldn’t be sleeping too well at night.
I like that scene in Reversal of Fortune where Ron Silver, playing Dershowitz, tells his lefty liberal law students that he’s going to defend Claus Von Bulow. Of course they loathe a money-marrying Eurotrash socialite like Von Bulow and explode in outrage. Dershowitz explains to them that there is a principle involved in the case (to do with collecting of evidence) and that if Von Bulow goes down for it, it will set a precedent that will be used against people they don’t disapprove of. I sense a bit of that here.
I don’t think anybody is sweating. I think they are all madly trying to cut a deal.
Regarding her father’s death, Private Eye joked that Robert Maxwell was on his yacht with an Irish slapper and he asked her to toss him off. So she did.
The other night I watched Channel 9 do the usual recap slide show of Epstein’s career, which had not one image or mention of Bill Clinton. Apparently the only ‘rich and powerful’ person Epstein ever met was Donald Trump.
I said on the open thread the claim sounded fantastical.
As in pizza or choir boy fantastical.
No doubt the threatened grandpa is dead.
‘Mole, Epstein was never convicted of ped-ph1l1a.
He was convicted of underage sex with a 14 year-old.
He was a POS and, by definition, a statutory rapist. He is not known to have been a p-ph1le.
As for how he stayed close to his buddies, recollect Meryl Streep’s and Whoopi Goldberg’s declarations of love and loyalty to Roman Polanski.
Yes but that isn’t an evidentiary standard in courts.
Where’s Annie to sort this out?
I was not surprised to learn that Ghislaine committed suicide next week.
BTW: how does one pronounce her name? I have heard ‘Jizlane’, ‘Glen’, ‘Gillane’ (hard ‘G’), ‘Jilane’, and others.
He was convicted of underage sex with a 14 year-old.
He had the mother of all plea bargains offered to him which effectively ended any investigation or further prosecutions.
Im not entirely comfortable with condemning before court cases happen etc, however given Epsteins murder and subsequent cover up it seems nothing will even be “proven”, no one of any consequence will be charged, let alone face justice and if this play out as i expect the only name mentioned or “leaked” will be Trump in a Russiagate rerun of innuendo before the election.
If that happens will you be more or less convinced that there really is a shadowy network of scum and alphabet agencies running a blackmail/protection racket?
The name is an older variation of Elaine. As in Elaine Benes.
The S is definitely silent, possibly the G, so it’s either G’laine, J’laine, or ‘laine.
There’s tons of information freely available on the net and in book form about JeffEp and cohorts, about prosecutions and convictions but our betters in internet search engines and social media platforms effectively bury it. Clearly he and his entourage were repeat procurers of pubescent girls who were paid handsomely for their services. It’s chump change for billionaires. Great story about his rise to fabulous wealth, from nowhere to money manager for some of the super-rich.. Some call it conspiracy but there’s enough unsavoury stuff that you never hear about elsewhere for it to be given credibility in my book. Follow the links within the links, see who’s being charged and convicted.
2020 is the year when all will be revealed if you follow Qanon.
What was in it for hag Hillary and more importantly, did she keep her mouth shut ? Just asking.
….involving children? No. That sounds like unhinged paranoia.
I have no problem believing that Epstein, and maybe others, ran a high-end prostitution business. Totally prepared to believe that part.
But beyond that, I’m not going to buy into something that is most likely nothing more than a psychotic conspiracy theory.
Dershowitz would know. Its his field of expertise.
Agree. CNormally cockup over conspiracy 97.3% of the time.
However, the sheet improbability of PissGate FISA with Russian Pike and Double Mueller means one now has to include a pretty solid “most likely nothing” in anything outrageous allegedly connected to the US Establishment.
And you can bet your bottom dollar he would’ve been part of the most depraved aspects too.
Why do you believe Trump is a p…file, iampeter?
what evidence have you come across for that, and what are the most depraved aspects exactly do you mean?
If anyone thinks this ends with just underage teenage girls on Epstein Island/Manhattan apartment/New Mexico ranch having sex with the powerful then you are in for one hell of a very sick and disturbing surprise. Maxwell is simply the first domino to fall; many more to follow.
Regarding conspiracy theories; it is only a conspiracy if it remains hidden. Plenty of information is available online but many Cats herein seem loathe to do their own research before posting or commenting. Suggest some of you might like to look up global child sex trafficking and get some background material.
And you can bet your bottom dollar he would’ve been part of the most depraved aspects too.
Fact free logic free boy goes for one of his usual megalomaniac “it’s true because I say it” statements.
There are plenty of media reports confirming that the court documents in Epstein’s case show that Trump banned Epstein from Maralago many years ago for attempting to hit on an underage girl.
What are your grounds for your assertion, Iamashiteater?
When you are trading off your name it would be helpful not to have it associated with an underage s3x conviction. The American people might be prepared to overlook JFK’s peccadilloes but there is a limit. You can bet Killary did exactly what was required.
Um, I don’t…
Um, the fact that Trump is a well known philanderer and perv and was close with Epstein.
You’d have to be a pretty dishonest moron to need this clarified.
You’d have to be a pretty dishonest moron to need this clarified.
Irony alert!
You actually contradicted yourself.
Again.
Suggest some of you might like to look up global child sex trafficking and get some background material
The rabbit holes are deep @johnsmith101 but WWG1WGA
The Australia reported the discovery of a pedo ring of 30,000 people in ONE location in Germany
Barely rated a mention, nothing on Our ABC or mainstream media here or in the US. 30 thousand rock spiders doesn’t get a mention? What the fuck sort of world do we live in?
And Maxwell is at the pointy end of the stick. I would expect arkancide.
You realize Trump is part of this circle too, right? And you can bet your bottom dollar he would’ve been part of the most depraved aspects too.
What do you believe Trump did, iampeter, and where is your evidence?
Um, the fact that Trump is a well known philanderer and perv and was close with Epstein.
He’s a well known Philanthropist dickhead. He was also the one who first outed Epstein, barred him from ever going to Mar-a-lago and provided a statement to the FBI which wasn’t acted on.
I have never heard Bidens mane mentioned in the Epstein paedo parties , perhaps Biden is gtoo public with his preferences for young females ,hes the wrong sort for the elites paedo group , plus hes a big mouthed idiot fifth rater and a danger to the pthers .
I’m a perv and when younger I did as much philandering as I could get away with.
I didn’t do it with children.
Some of us are human.
Iamashiteater said You realize Trump is part of this circle too, right?[Really? There’s records of Trump flying on Epstein’s jet or visiting his island?] And you can bet your bottom dollar he would’ve been part of the most depraved aspects too.
I asked What are your grounds for your assertion, Iamashiteater?
Iamashiteater could only come up with Um, the fact that Trump is a well known philanderer[Really? And, even if so, that’s evidence he’d be involved with “the most depraved aspects” of Epstein’s behaviour?] and perv [What do you mean by that?] and was close with Epstein.[Poor old fact free, logic free loser and failure Iamashiteater – in the face of the clear evidence that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago you’re trying to say they were “close”?]
Poor old Iamashiteater, utterly incapable of rational thought.
….involving children? No. That sounds like unhinged paranoia.
Yes who would ever believe a ex US President would go and party at the private island of a convicted Pedo?
Mad stuff.
Obviously never happen.
Nor would the SS detail and alphabet agencies ever investigate such an obvious honeytrap setup before they let an ex-US president go and party there with the convicted pedo.
Over to you.
Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr
#3505946, posted on July 7, 2020 at 12:26 pm
‘I’m firmly with CL & John Dee.’
+1
Speaking of dishonest morons…
Obviously. This isn’t something that needs clarifying.
And it was provided but you are dumb as dirt and nuttier than a sandwich spread, so, yea…
Irony alert!
You actually contradicted yourself.
Again.
Speaking of dishonest morons…
Projecting again!
You deny that you said Trump is a p…phile to Candy, then you go on to write:
Um, the fact that Trump is a well known philanderer and perv and was close with Epstein.
A clear case of nudge nudge wink wink, if ever I saw one.
The veracity of the complainant’s accounts is obviously in question.
That reminds me of a passage from a Rumpole of the Bailey story called Rumpole & the Married Lady.The wife was complaining of the husband’s intolerable conduct.Rumpole asked “And what was the effect of this heartbreaking notice to quit(an unpleasant note left by her husband)”.The judge responded “She stayed for more apparently”
FBI had said before that they were “keeping tabs” on Maxwell so I guess you could assume that they knew where she was and were negotiating the terms of her arrest with her.
That suggests she will be revealing less than the public evidently would like.
I asked What are your grounds for your assertion, Iamashiteater?
And it was provided… and demonstrated conclusively to be utterly spurious, but poor old conceited stupid ignorant dissembling Iamashiteater disingenuously ignored that, going for his usual fact free logic free sneer.
Keep on doing what you are doing C.L.
Quality commentary.
The brain dead who believe in “tunnels full of children” walk among us, unfortunately.
I guess you could assume that they knew where she was and were negotiating the terms of her arrest with her
If so, the helicopters, SWAT team etc., were presumably just theatre props. That’s not a comforting thought.
The only evidence I have heard of in regard to any dirt on Trump specifically in this matter is the affidavit from Katie Johnson who was 13 at the time she says these events occurred in Case CV16-00797.
https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed_djvu.txt (That’s the text OCR’d from the court docs, but the images are also at the same site.)
The lawsuit says these events were confirmed by a second witness “Tiffany Doe” whose job it was to listen and watch everything the guests did and pass along any info that Epstein could profit from.
I will just go way out on a limb and suggest that “Tiffany Doe” is really Ghislane Maxwell. That will be the reason that Ms Maxwell won’t kill herself next week. The witnesses to Trump’s misdeeds are being rounded up.
Aaaand when you’ve had enough of that, you can have a laugh about it too.
You could well assume all that.
Bradford, New Hampshire is definitely not “a mountain hideaway” in the fugitive from justice sense. Think Margaret River, or Noosa Hinterland, or Hunter Valley sort of hideaway: pretty historical towns, heritage sites, artisan communities, dude ranches, 5 acre holiday home lots – and a few working farms. Lost of people, lots of traffic.
The FBI knew where she was.
Given this is not a sudden development, she must have known that she was always within easy reach of prosecutors. If she was concerned for her life and liberty she would be living very nicely in France, with Roman Polanski, safe from extradition.
The $5 million worth of trucks, planes and choppers – the door smashing and drawn guns – all theatre.
No, it’s not projecting, it’s an accurate description of you and many other raving loons here.
Plodes
.
If “Tiffany Doe” is really Ghislane Maxwell…” then Maxwell was a signed up witness against Trump and Epstein at the latest by 26 April 2016. Unlikely I say.
Background material re Maxwell:
United States District Court: Southern District Of New York:
Virginia L. Giuffre, Plaintiff, v. Ghislaine Maxwell, Defendant.
DEFENDANT GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S
INITIAL F.R.C.P. 26(a)(1)(A) DISCLOSURES
Important background material:
Official court document: Defendant Bradley J Edwards’s Statement of Undisputed Facts, Epstein v Edwards et al,, Case No: 50, 2009, Exhibit MM:
Epstein Flight Manifests
I think Ghislane Maxwell is perfectly entitled to a fair trial, with a jury, and all the evidence brought forward.
Since we know Epstein recorded almost everything he did … should have some extremely reliable way to decide who is telling the truth here. Anyone see a problem with that?
Hey, worked when they arrested Roger Stone, you don’t seriously think he was going to fight back so hard?
Besides, you do understand that those millions they spend are “Other People’s Money” and therefore not such a concern.
I was bored enough to read through JohnSmith101’s first link, or at least the bits about Sharon “Shazza” Churcher (Mail on Sunday) interviews and reports on Virginia Guiffre and then this Q&A by lawyer Laura Menninger (for Maxwell) on Guiffre (her lawyer is Sigrid McCawley).
Maybe Guiffre’s a liar but what’s more obvious is the journalists have been playing loose and fast with her interview statement.
Here are the Trump-related bits from as far as I read:
Across the MSM, pictures of Epstein, Maxwell and the powerful people they have met has all been reduced to Trump and randy Andy. All those previous pictures with the Clintons have mysteriously disappeared.
They really think we wouldn’t notice.
Same here. Once I got past the inaccuracies (lies) concerning Trump & the unsubstantiated gossip concerning Dershowitz I couldn’t see any point in reading further. Seems Trump’s only part in all of this shit is that his Resort at the time employed her (Guiffre’s) father. Either the reporter completely made the Trump angle up or Giuffre dropped the Trump name for the manufacture of implicit false allegations.
Same with Epstein.
As expected, it never got to trial.
Will you lot ever stop defending rock spiders and their enablers?
Still peeved about the high Court decision Monty.
Don’t accept the court’s decision when it doesn’t suit?
Dear dear.
Also innocent til proven guilty.
Just like comrade Bill.
You’re such a hero. For clarity; could you please name the actual ‘rock spiders’ and/or their enablers that are being defended ?
Name the rock spiders mate, shouldn’t be too hard for a very brave dickhead.
Dot, like most libertarians you are very gullible.
‘Tunnels full of children’ is put out there so that people dismiss the whole thing as fanciful.
Monty
It’s more than possible you hurt people’s feelings when you say we all support p…dos. It’s unkind and wrong of you.
candy, this is the Cat. You can’t complain about hurt feelings in the crowd of a street boxing match.
Dershowitz is a nasty old cockroach who had a lot of fun as a leftist then turned right in his decrepitude. Hopefully he will end his days writing legal appeals for his fellow inmates.
Don’t say bad things about Dershowitz, because he’s an absolutely incredible lawyer.
When you think of all the stuff that Epstein was accused of in 2008 and then lawyer Alan Dershowitz helped bargain that down to a tiny 13 months in prison … that’s a one in a million deal right there … pure skill!
Or it could just be that Epstein wasn’t really guilty of that much.
Monty, this is the Cat. The only thing in as short supply here as a clue about anything, is any self awareness.
Nope, no chance of any elites being involved, none at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/07/deutsche-bank-jeffrey-epstein-settlement-fine
It said Deutsche Bank considered Epstein “high-risk” and knew of his history of sex trafficking and abuse, including his 2007 guilty plea to state prostitution charges, yet processed hundreds of transactions “obviously implicated” by his past.
These included payments to alleged accomplices “who were publicly alleged to have been Epstein’s co-conspirators in sexually abusing young women”, lawyers and victims.
Transactions also included “settlement payments totaling over $7m, as well as dozens of payments to law firms totaling over $6m for what appear to have been the legal expenses of Epstein and his co-conspirators”, as well as “payments to Russian models, payments for women’s school tuition, hotel and rent expenses, and (consistent with public allegations of prior wrongdoing) payments directly to numerous women with eastern European surnames”, the FDS said.
Can they just say “hookers” and “clients” and be done with it?
Let’s have some plain speaking.
Or would that spoil the innuendo?
m0ron. Back to the doughnuts. See if you can find a feeling among them fatboy.
So now the controlled opposition are the nutters, but your political opponents all really are elite p-files?
Please. Children tunnels is more reasonable. That or you name names with proof.
So Trump’s guilty off anonymous witnesses and Maxwell really was behind it all – even setting up Epstein?
There is so much delusional shit here it is heartbreaking.
…again.
For what it’s worth. For some years I had a regular cleaning lady and was astounded when she said her Young granddaughter was being flown to New York with out her Mother or Grandmother . My J was unable to give any reason as to why she was going. Even back then it seemed murky . Apart from Virginia Roberts Father no mention is made of the parents.