Tuesday Forum: July 7, 2020

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  1. cohenite

    If you have, what’s the feeling like and the downsides? I think I’m old enough to try it now.
    In don’t think life is complete without trying it at least once.

    That’s really dumb. The stuff used to make your arse shiny have affected your usual concise thinking.

  2. caveman

    Has anyone ever snorted coke?

    It was fizzy and the bubbles went up my nose.

  3. Farmer Gez

    Still raining in China and the dams are open.
    Wouldn’t it be a laugh if China needed to import lots of food and we just said no.

  4. BrettW

    I think the plan was to test all the block occupants.

    jupes
    #3508440, posted on July 9, 2020 at 5:38 pm
    Can anyone explain the ‘science’ behind the 5 day hard lockdown for blocks of flats compared to a six week lockdown of the city?

  5. H B Bear

    Nick
    #3508591, posted on July 9, 2020 at 7:52 pm
    Iron rice bowls is a Chinese expression meaning a job for life

    Japanese beef rice bowls or gyudon are delicious and super easy to cook.

  6. rickw

    Mein Kampf – George Orwell – Looking For a Fight – Current Malaise:

  7. JC

    Huh

    It takes a few minutes to feel the effect.

    long does it take to kick in?

    That depends on how you use it. The faster a substance makes it into your bloodstream, the quicker its effects kick in.

    When you snort or gum coke, the effects come on slower compared with smoking or injecting it. This is because it has to get through mucus, skin, and other tissues before hitting your bloodstream.

    Here’s the general onset time of effects for the different methods of use:

    Snorting: 1 to 3 minutes

    Wow, short high.

    Could be a very expensive habit if you like the stuff.

    Here’s what to expect in terms of how long the high lasts:

    Snorting: 15 to 30 minutes
    Gumming: 15 to 30 minutes
    Smoking: 5 to 15 minutes
    Injecting: 5 to 15 minutes

  8. rickw

    Find a comfortable chair, grab a pen and note pad, sit back and enjoy!

  9. BrettW

    Michael Smith News has a story about a couple stuck (he ex military), with their yacht, in S Korea. They were sailing to Alaska.

    Seems their current problems are all the fault of the PM.

    There is only so much you can hold a PM responsible for and I dont think his whinge is justified. Just what does he expect PM or consular staff to do ?

    “Garry and Wendy Goldsworthy are currently stranded in South Korea – along with their mobile home, their yacht. As you’d imagine, they’ve been keen to stay with their boat – but they’re at the mercy of South Korean authorities who may or may not extend their visas”.

  10. cohenite

    Here’s what to expect in terms of how long the high lasts:
    Snorting: 15 to 30 minutes
    Gumming: 15 to 30 minutes
    Smoking: 5 to 15 minutes
    Injecting: 5 to 15 minutes

    Why not do all 4 at once; then you’ll be out of your mind for 1 1/2 hours. Idiot.

  11. JC

    There was a dude I worked with. Before we’d head out for a drink, he’d go to the men’s and do a snort and a gumming. He reckoned he needed a double hit. Not in my department though. He had a terrible time when they introduced random testing on Wall Street in the early 90s. Dunno whatever happened to him.

    Shut up Cronkite.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Find a comfortable chair, grab a pen and note pad, sit back and enjoy!

    Most interesting link – my compliments,and thank you.

  13. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has anyone ever snorted coke? I never did when opportunities offered, but I never took a snort because I knew I’d like it so much I get hooked.

    I have discovered far, far worse out there in recent times. Yes it’s mother’s little helper. With totally feral neighbours across the road, whose onslaughts of amplified noise can mow down all in their path without warning; a now retired GP understood the problem, having been a victim himself, and willingly dispensed same to reduce the boiling point of blood. Two GPs since, first go into all manner of professional contortions at the mere mention, and studiously avoid the shit I put up with and its effect on peace, quiet and equanimity. “Does it really matter at my age if I turn into a druggie?” I ask. ” I’ll be gone in possibly 5.” Blank look and then maybe: “You might have a fall.” To the last young nipper who spun this line I said, “Come on a fishing trip to NZ with me and see who goes arse over tit first in some raging torrent.” Cue: laughter. 12 whole tablets dispensed.

  14. thefrollickingmole

    Steve.
    Hopefully something not too bad.

    Put the wind up one of our sparkles today. We do a baseline ecg when they first start, I do this chaps and just as I’m about to finish a big fat etopic beat comes on the ecg.
    I spent ten minutes checking and he had 3 in that time.
    Told him what it was and that he should get it checked properly, but he shouldn’t panic as it wasn’t massively uncommon.
    Sent it off to the docs for a look via email.

  15. Steve trickler

    Life on the beach.



  16. shatterzzz

    Never been interested in drugs .. always found beer good enough for me but I’m stunned at the examples here on how short a hit lasts .. maybe I’ve watched too many movies but I, honestly, thought, a snort was good for at least a coupla hours .. never knew you could smoke the stuff either .. 72 and still learning LOL!

  17. calli

    Yes it’s mother’s little helper.

    It’s official.

    Mayfly lives on Gin Lane.

  18. dover_beach

    What’s the difference between being a baby mama and getting mail order spunk?

    If you are going to ban sperm donation, you must logically ban single mothers.

    Not at all. In the first instance, I’m not facilitating single motherhood, I’m prudentially avoiding overly intruding into their affairs; in the second instance, I am facilitating single motherhood by providing a legal market for the buying and selling of sperm. Banning such a market is not overly intruding in such matters.

    You won’t do it, nor will the Bugaloo Boys use their guns. Trump won’t build the wall and he won’t shoot violent rioters in the face.

    This is exactly how the left started cucking the right with MeToo.

    You are always afraid of looking like the bad guy.

    Given that I’d ban IVF, surrogacy, and abortion, and restore marriage to its correct standing as a relationship between the sexes with only fault divorce, I don’t think I’m terrible concerned by my enemies thinking I’m the bad guy.

  19. jo

    HBBear, I prefer Katsudon. Make it often. How much is too much pork schnitzel, got to make sure the eggs are runny.

  20. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Still raining in China and the dams are open.

    has that crap dam collapsed yet?

  21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Husband who transitioned to become a woman after spending $29,000 on surgery insists it has strengthened her marriage – despite her wife needing eight months therapy to come to terms with being in a ‘lesbian’ relationship

    Taylor Vanmalsen, 29, of Michigan, has lived as a male for the majority of her life
    She is married to Sarah, 27, who knew her husband wanted to live life as a woman
    Taylor insists Sarah was the main ‘driving force’ behind her transition in 2018

    Daily Wail. We must have reached peak stupidity, surely?

  22. I don’t need to be a nuke engineer to understand they are a force multiplier.

    Weird argument.

    We want to save money, but only a little bit?

  23. shatterzzz
    #3508660, posted on July 9, 2020 at 9:30 pm

    Never been interested in drugs .. always found beer good enough for me but I’m stunned at the examples here on how short a hit lasts .. maybe I’ve watched too many movies but I, honestly, thought, a snort was good for at least a coupla hours .. never knew you could smoke the stuff either .. 72 and still learning LOL!

    Nicotine and alcohol ARE drugs.

    I’m drugging myself right now with some cheapish vodka.

  24. This mail order jizz stuff is disgusting IMO.

    How do you convince an irreligious lefty to ban it though?

    Calling them a degenerate doesn’t win them over.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m drugging myself right now with some cheapish vodka.

    Mine’s a top quality single malt. Sliante!

    “Wha’s there like us?
    Damn few
    And they’re all dead!”

  26. has that crap dam collapsed yet?

    Ha. Saw this today for the first time. It always seemed strange that the dam wall was straight, rather than concave to spread the load.

    Except it isn’t straight at all

  27. I bow to your vast experience of the costs of developing, testing and maintaining nuclear weapons!

    I don’t like this at all. This is a bad argument to rely on.

    *I bow to your vast experience of the costs of developing, testing and maintaining a strategic air force with maritime strike capability, Colonel William Mitchell!*

    It is arguing against getting better subs, BTW.

  28. Anymore, not at all. Spellchecker is the devil’s work.

  29. I note just now Zulu Kilo Two Alpha just asked the question: Have we reached peak stupidity yet? Reckon it has been asked several times today! In my mind, it’s like the question ‘have we reached peak oil?’ No we haven’t so apply this theorem to stupidity. Few elections coming up, none more important than November in the US.

  30. Maj

    Liberal = Cuck

    How militarisation turns police against the public

    Founder of London’s ‘Bobbies’, Robert Peel’s gold standard principle of policing by consent of the people gets forgotten by modern police forces armed to the teeth with surplus military equipment.

    Virtually all political persuasions agree on the need for police. For libertarians, maintaining a criminal justice system, of which the police are a major component, is viewed as one of the few legitimate roles of government.

    The first modern and professional police force was the London Metropolitan Police Service, established in 1829. There had been substantial public opposition to a large and possibly armed police force until then, based on fears it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule. The example of France, which had secret police at the time, was significant.

    The Met was established by Sir Robert Peel, England’s Home Secretary, who set out to address these concerns through his nine principles of policing. These principles are now famous and remain the gold standard for police everywhere. Peel believed that the power of the police was dependent on public approval and derived from public co-operation rather than fear. Also known as policing by consent, his key principle was that “the police are the public and the public are the police”.

    When police see themselves as soldiers in a war, it is not surprising that some have no regard for public welfare.

    He ensured police uniforms were different from the military, avoided military ranks and only armed officers with a wooden truncheon and rattle (later a whistle) to signal the need for assistance. Every officer was issued a warrant card with a unique identification number to assure accountability for his actions, and Londoners were expected to give assistance, including loaning their pistols to officers in pursuit of armed felons. Many did exactly that.

    Peel was also clear about the primary role of the police – to prevent crime. Police effectiveness is not measured by the number of arrests, he said, but by the absence of crime and disorder.

    Almost 200 years later, police in many locations could benefit from a reminder of Peel’s principles.

    One issue is the steady militarisation of the police. This ranges from references to the public as civilians and assertions that the police place their lives on the line every day, to black uniforms, military assault rifles and equipment such as armoured personnel carriers.

    This is a bigger concern in America, where a lot of military surplus equipment is sold to police and the emphasis on armed conflict is more pronounced, but the trend is the same here in Australia.

    When they see themselves as soldiers in a war, it is not surprising that some police have no regard for public welfare. The negligence leading to the death of Miss Dhu in police custody in Western Australia and of course the notorious deaths in America are obvious examples of where that leads.

    Peel’s principles also stipulate that police should only use physical force when persuasion, advice and warning are insufficient, to use only the minimum force necessary, and that the co-operation of the public diminishes proportionately with the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion.

    Yet how often do we see police resort to violence when making an arrest? People are tackled, forced to the ground with knees on their back and neck amid blows, kicks and the vindictive use of Tasers, simply to apply handcuffs. Being “non-compliant” or raising verbal objections is enough to prompt this, and some have died as a result.

    Moreover, when the victims of such treatment are not convicted or imprisoned, such rough handling amounts to a form of punishment.

    That is also in conflict with Peel’s principles, which require the police to avoid usurping the powers of the judiciary by authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty. Enforcement of the COVID-19 rules, including the authoritarian decrees and fines of covidstate premiers, provides further examples: petty closing of cafes, prosecutions for reading in a park, chasing individuals along a closed beach, stopping fishing from a pier the day after 10,000 have gathered in a demonstration, and even a police commissioner who denounces the cruise industry as criminal, are among them.

    The Australian people are never likely to accept the police as one of them while those sorts of things occur.

    Change is necessary. Corrupt and thuggish police must be rooted out and the enforcement of laws that the public does not support, including political and victimless crimes, should never have priority. Moreover, arresting people seldom solves problems that originate in drug use, alcoholism, mental illness and poverty.

    The fundamental responsibility of governments is to protect life, liberty and property. If the police were to focus on these while upholding Peel’s principles, Australians might even come to their aid.

  31. dover_beach

    Vermeule on Why conservative justices are more likely to defect:

    There is a third theory that has more explanatory force: The justices are indeed acting faithfully to law, but not by enforcing the written Constitution and laws. Rather what they enforce is our real, unwritten constitution, a set of understandings that underlies and shapes our interpretation of the law. Justices interpret open-ended provisions (“due process of law”) in light of this unwritten constitution. And because the background small-c constitution embodies a liberal order, it is unsurprising that their decisions do as well.

    What are the principles underlying our unwritten constitution? It is best understood as a sociopolitical order that privileges a particular set of commitments held passionately by educated urban professionals and what Joel Kotkin and Fred Siegel have termed “gentry liberals.” Among these, and relevant to the current term, are ensuring a high rate of immigration, encouraged by policies against full enforcement of the law, and protecting sexual expression and liberty, including contraception, abortion and unconstrained expression of sexual preference and gender identity. These beliefs are not spelled out explicitly in law, yet they exert a gravitational force that powerfully influences the justices’ interpretations.

    RTWT.

  32. Dave in Marybrook

    Must be an emergency on in WA- the heavy signing girl is on stage, alongside the Health Min, the Prem and three flags- State, National and First Nationsal.
    So why the flapper? If it’s an emergency, and they want to communicate with deafies, then seeing her on the nightly news must be distressing for what is not communicated- half a sentence behind the bloke behind the riser, without context?
    Or would a deaf person have closed captions to give them the intro, as is read by the presenter or related by the reporter on the ground? If so, then there’s no need for the grand-size gurning girl, because it’ll be on CC. Trim her out of the shot.
    So why have her there at all? The only possible justification is if, against all sensible career advice, a deaf person is regularly in the press briefing. Otherwise, like the Aboriginal flag, it’s just virtue signalling

  33. Maj
    #3508684, posted on July 9, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    Liberal = Cuck

    No Moby, that article is fantastic, you are a garbage human.

  34. Mr Sedition. Red Square vodka as we speak. Not bad, 40 bucks for the bottle.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In my mind, it’s like the question ‘have we reached peak oil?’

    “Peak Oil” was a concept, first reached in 1895 and then in 1914.

    I don’t know how much reading you do, but Daniel Yergin’s “The Prize” is a good history about how oil has shaped the world of the twentieth century, including what a load of bullshit “Peak oil” is.

  36. I’m drugging myself right now with some cheapish vodka.

    Mine’s a top quality single malt. Sliante!

    Well, I’m into the Aldi covid19 unemployment whisky. Nothing Coke can’t hide, though.

  37. dover_beach

    This mail order jizz stuff is disgusting IMO.

    How do you convince an irreligious lefty to ban it though?

    Calling them a degenerate doesn’t win them over.

    I think the best angle with an irreligious lefty is the commodification argument. I also think the irreligious, whether left or right, still find the ‘two biologically related parents for a child as optimal’ persuasive. I have Sargon in mind here.

  38. mh

    Rick, Orwell has been cancelled.

    RyanMcGoverne
    @RyanMcGoverne
    Orwell cancelled. Stop reading Orwell everybody. There is nothing you are allowed to learn from his books. Ben says.
    Quote Tweet

    Ben Norton
    @BenjaminNorton
    · 22h
    In addition to being a gov snitch, fraud George Orwell spent WWII demonizing the USSR as it defeated Nazism

    As the Red Army sacrificed millions fighting Hitler, and as the Nazi regime shoved Je ws into gas chambers, Orwell was writing Animal Farm

    Vile man https://bennorton.com/george-orwell-list-leftists-snitch-british-government/…
    Show this thread
    6:49 AM · Jul 9, 2020

  39. Vermeule on Why conservative justices are more likely to defect:

    Doesn’t sound very conservative to me. Sounds more like environment and peer pressure.

  40. Tim Neilson

    the enforcement of laws that the public does not support, including political and victimless crimes, should never have priority.

    If they’re laws, they should be enforced or repealed. Selective enforcement of laws is part of the road to tyranny.

    Moreover, arresting people seldom solves problems that originate in drug use, alcoholism, mental illness and poverty.

    But it does protect the public, even if only temporarily, from the criminal.

  41. Thanks

    Rita has a good feed.

    John Ruddick
    @JohnRuddick2
    Thanks for posting Susie. When arrrested in 1984 she had a 740 kgs of dynamite and was sentenced to 58 years in prison. She’s only out now because Bill Clinton pardoned her on his last day in office … and now she is one of the big-wigs in BLM.

    Susan Colvin
    @SusanCo68078551
    This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg, she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter. She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the US Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association.

  42. Mark A

    Women can’t remember if they switched their hair straighteners off but they know what you said ten months ago at 1.47 pm …………………………………

  43. Yes Zulu, hence why I inferred we haven’t reached peak stupidity. There are many depths to which civilization will plunge.

  44. Knuckle Dragger

    Some talk earlier about the RAAF and money.

    Worth every cent, I say. The RAAF are always there*, angels on our shoulders^ and should be lauded everywhere they go#.

    * 8.00 a.m. to 4.00 p.m., Monday to Friday. Except an hour and a half between 10.30 a.m. and 2.00 p.m. And public holidays and RDOs and flex time and big slabs of leave.

    ^When not on maternity leave.

    #For actually being outside instead of being on the squadron couch watching Top Gun.

  45. MemoryFault

    Maj at 10.22 pm wins the internet for today.
    And he understands Libertarian Philosophy to boot.

    Thank you, God, for at least one small mercy.

  46. dover_beach

    Doesn’t sound very conservative to me. Sounds more like environment and peer pressure.

    Not quite. He is saying that they shared more closely a similar understanding of the unwritten constitution with the liberal justices than the more strictly conservative justices, which is why Roberts, Gorsuch, and earlier, Kennedy and Day O’Connor provided the swing votes in key legal decisions.

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Moreover, arresting people seldom solves problems that originate in drug use, alcoholism, mental illness and poverty.’

    This is the salient point of the turgid shit hiding behind Peel’s principles that was linked to.

    Clearly, this could all be resolved by the cops taking feelings charts around with them to empathise with the crooks. I’m sure it would have worked wonders for the poor pricks dealing with the crime scene in Gunnedah where the ten year old girl was butchered and then bled out with her throat slashed open so far her killer twisted her head around 180 degrees and left it there.

  48. MemoryFault

    Thanks for the music tracks, Steve Trickler.
    Just listening my way through them now.

  49. Bruce in WA

    I’m drugging myself right now with some cheapish vodka.

    Aldi had a special on vodka $29.95 for 700 mL of quad distilled. Doesn’t taste too bad, but it’s a GREAT base for making my own limoncello, which I’m in the process of doing now.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    * 8.00 a.m. to 4.00 p.m., Monday to Friday. Except an hour and a half between 10.30 a.m. and 2.00 p.m. And public holidays and RDOs and flex time and big slabs of leave.

    Doomlord, I’ve worn Royal Australian Air Force blue, on ceremonial occasions, as well as jungle greens, carried an M60 in the bush, and lived in a hole in the ground.. I demand the satisfaction due a gentleman!

  51. Bruce in WA

    They have a dry gin for $29.95 too. Not bad, but very acceptable in a martini, icy cold.

  52. Gab

    Women can’t remember if they switched their hair straighteners off but they know what you said ten months ago at 1.47 pm

    yes and?

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Doomlord’

    Right. Now that’s settled and I’m in charge, I’m going to bed.

  54. Mark A

    Bruce in WA
    #3508714, posted on July 9, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    They have a dry gin for $29.95 too. Not bad, but very acceptable in a martini, icy cold.

    Same for Brandy at $29.90, not my preferred brand I hasten to add but beats brands costing over $50 at other outlets including the best known one.

  55. Top Ender

    So Aldi has vodka, gin and brandy at $29.90?

    You blokes sure it’s not the same thing with different colouring and labels?

  56. Mark A

    PS
    BTW you have to test the aroma of brandy before you drink it, it’s not a myth, if you don’t like the aroma don’t drink it!

    Unless you just want to get drunk.

  57. MatrixTransform

    Unless you just want to get drunk.

    …of course I love you

  58. Have heard good things about the Doco on Stan called Outcry. About a Texas high school football player who was accused and convicted of abusing a 4 year old. Just started it but from what I have heard does not make the American legal system look good. 5 part series.

  59. Fisky

    Vermeule on Why conservative justices are more likely to defect:

    I think the explanation is more simple than that. Going against the elite consensus invites ostracism and not being invited to dinners and cocktail parties.

  60. MatrixTransform

    was accused and convicted of abusing

    FFS?
    Who told you that was ‘entertainment’ ?

    culturally diverse hit-squad root out racism
    blue-haired feminist mind-fixes bigots everywhere
    racist statues pull down modernity

    For fucks fucking sake.

  61. MatrixTransform

    unplug the mind-fuck USB … you don’t need to consume this shiite

  62. Bruce in WA

    You blokes sure it’s not the same thing with different colouring and labels?

    After a few glasses … meh!

    🙂

  63. MemoryFault

    Thanks Mark.
    I need a giggle.

  64. Bruce in WA

    Love the lame pics, Mark. Ta.

  65. Infidel Tiger King

    I think the explanation is more simple than that. Going against the elite consensus invites ostracism and not being invited to dinners and cocktail parties.

    Gorsuch the cuckhead is exhibit A.

    Conservative judges need to start acting exactly like libs do. Fuxk textualism and originalism. Just give us the win.

  66. dover_beach

    I think the explanation is more simple than that. Going against the elite consensus invites ostracism and not being invited to dinners and cocktail parties.

    I don’t think that option and his third option are mutually exclusive.

  67. MemoryFault

    Steve seems to be taking a break, so here’s something completely different in the music department.
    For some reason this track reminds me of being here at the Cat. Not sure why.

  68. MatrixTransform

    Not sure why.

    why?

    its because yr a posturing retard

    thank me later

  69. Infidel Tiger King

    Diana S. Fleischman💡🧬 🌐 🚀
    @sentientist
    ·
    21m
    Right now the Georgia Supreme court is hearing arguments against a sperm bank called Xytex about whether the company is liable for selling sperm to multiple families who did not know their donor had serious mental health problems -thread
    https://news.gsu.edu/2020/07/03/gsu-law-professors-author-amicus-brief-in-georgia-supreme-court-sperm-bank-case/

    Liberalism is cancer.

  70. Colonel Crispin Berka

    we haven’t reached peak stupidity.

    Surely we learned this lesson in 2015 when the expected Peak Oil did not occur.

    Stupidity antitechnology will always devise more uneconomical ways to expand the stupidity supply in response to greater demand for surreality. Eventually when surreality can be achieved without stupidity, a phase shift will occur in which stupidity supply can peak and then decrease without causing a reality shock, due to migration of production over to Singularity AI overlords and an economic superabundance in which surreality can be achieved at virtually no cost.
    ( For further education on such matters read the Culture series of novels by Ian M Banks. )

  71. MatrixTransform

    Ian M Banks

    I’m a sheila … no I’m not

    good books

  72. Bruce in WA

    You can tell what’s going to happen before they even pull the trigger, just by the way they stand, sit or hold the rifle!

  73. MemoryFault

    Eventually when surreality can be achieved without stupidity, a phase shift will occur in which stupidity supply can peak and then decrease without causing a reality shock

    There’s a pill for that now.

  74. MT,
    From reading your post seems you need some rest. For your information the guy who was sentenced to 25 years without parole was subsequently exonerated.

    “FFS?
    Who told you that was ‘entertainment’ ?

    culturally diverse hit-squad root out racism
    blue-haired feminist mind-fixes bigots everywhere
    racist statues pull down modernity

    For fucks fucking sake”.

  75. Infidel Tiger King

    Taniel
    @Taniel
    It’s a 5-4 SCOTUS win for Creek Nation’s claim that large swaths of Oklahoma are a reservation for the purposes of the Major Crimes Act, with the 4 liberals joined by Gorsuch!
    10:03 PM · Jul 9, 2020·

    Gorsuch is Trump’s Roberts.

    Disaster. Could cost a trump the election.

  76. JC

    BrettW
    #3508722, posted on July 9, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    Have heard good things about the Doco on Stan called Outcry. About a Texas high school football player who was accused and convicted of abusing a 4 year old. Just started it but from what I have heard does not make the American legal system look good. 5 part series.

    You have to be careful with this stuff, Brett. Don’t assume what you’re being told in a doco reflects the truth. We found this out with the Dersherwitz/Epstein entanglement.

    The US criminal justice system for the most part needs to be looked at state by state, but on the whole it’s pretty decent. Not perfect but decent.

  77. Dave in Marybrook

    Oh don’t be coy, ITK.
    You’ve been bagging the God Emperor’s chances for a few months now.

  78. Infidel Tiger King

    See new Tweets
    Conversation

    The Associated Press
    @AP
    BREAKING: Supreme Court rules Manhattan district attorney can obtain Trump tax returns. A ruling on whether Congress can get access is coming next.

    Anarchy.

    Stock market just tanked on this news because they know it means Biden is a lock.

  79. Infidel Tiger King

    Not sure you know what you’re tallking about Dave.

  80. JC

    Gorsuch is Trump’s Roberts.

    Disaster. Could cost a trump the election.

    Look, Trump posted the names of judges he would consider at the outset of his campaign. Gorsuch was on the list and the Right never had any problems with him either when Trump put up the names or when he was nominated. Although Trump is ultimately responsible, as he is the prez, the entire Right also deserves to be in the can too. No one that I can recall ever had an issue with this nomination.

    The orange oaf had no real idea b out this nomination crap. At one stage he wanted to nominate his sister to the bench, until he was told she was the biggest abortion hoover on the east coast. He has to rely on others.

  81. MemoryFault

    I previously posted Jonathon Scott playing this solo on a pipe organ.
    Here it is with a symphony orchestra.
    Saint Saens Organ Symphony #3.

  82. JC

    BREAKING: Supreme Court rules Manhattan district attorney can obtain Trump tax returns. A ruling on whether Congress can get access is coming next.

    Anarchy.

    Stock market just tanked on this news because they know it means Biden is a lock.

    They sent it back to the lower courts. it will be years before anything is handed over. Relax.

  83. JC

    Yep

    It sounds like SCOTUS said that Trump can re-argue new grounds in lower courts, essentially delaying this decision on another appeal, assuming the lower courts don’t agree, thus coming back to SCOTUS on different grounds.

  84. C.L.

    … they know it means Biden is a lock.

    Why?
    I predict a nothing burger with a side order of yawn fries.

  85. max

    A few days ago Scott Morrison announced that the Tyndal airstrip in NT was to be extended to allow US B-52 strategic bombers to land and take off.

    As ASPI’s Peter Jennings observed, the decision to expand the Tindal airbase is a giant strategic step forward and could be the basis for a greater leadership role for Australia in the region.

    When the upgrade, including major runway extensions, fuel stockpiles and engineering support, is completed, Tindal will be the most potent military base south of Guam. And—for the time being at least—it is beyond the reach of Chinese conventional ballistic missiles.

    How Australia can deter China

    Yesterday he confirmed a previous announcement we would be buying 200 LRASM missiles which have a range of about 500 km, triple the range of current options and which can be fired from our F/A-18 Super Hornets and the F-35s when they are delivered.

    Today he says Hong Kong students will have visas extended after graduation for 10 years. He’s taken to referring to the Chinese Communist Party Government of China.
    Definitely a change in temperature.

  86. C.L.

    Lots of clever Hong Kongese coming our way.
    Great to see.

  87. Infidel Tiger King

    Luckily it was sent back to the lower courts.

    We live again.

    Never ever nominate one of these lib judges like Gorsuch. They are poison. We need to clone Thomas.

  88. Infidel Tiger King

    Morrison is decoupling us from China.

    He may end up being a great PM.

  89. JC

    Artie

    When you’re feeling down thinking the orange oaf is going to lose bigly. There’s always this. As the dude says. he could watch it all day everyday and they can never take it away.

  90. Fisky

    Morrison is starting to look like Menzies MkII. He has an issue, a few in fact, they aren’t going away, and will never work for Labor. He can run on China for another decade at least.

  91. C.L.

    He certainly Minged them over that defence spending splurge.
    A few days after ASIO raided one of Labor’s PRC spies, he makes the announcement.
    Albo says he won’t oppose.
    LOL.

  92. Mark A

    Fisky
    #3508762, posted on July 10, 2020 at 1:21 am

    Morrison is starting to look like Menzies MkII. He has an issue, a few in fact, they aren’t going away, and will never work for Labor. He can run on China for another decade at least.

    Menzies had a reasonable manufacturing industry albeit on the back of tariffs (price control) and patriotic? homogeneous society behind him.

    Scomo has none of that.

  93. Fisky

    Astonishing to see Merkel’s moral bankruptcy being called out by this guy of all people, one of the most senior EU-crats, globalist, Brexit and Trump hater etc etc. And this is what he says. Wow.

    CCP opponents are on the right side of history, China engagers and panderers are going to get utterly smoked on this issue, and the beauty of it is – we can rub their noses in it for the next 20 years cos it ain’t going anywhere. Eat shit, losers.

    Guy Verhofstadt
    @guyverhofstadt
    · 2h
    As long as selling cars to China is more important to Europe, especially to Germany than taking a firm stance on the Chinese crackdown on human rights in Hong Kong, Tibet and Xinjang, we will never be able to put in place a more robust EU-China policy.

    https://dw.com/en/germanys-reluctance-to-speak-out-against-china/a-54079606

  94. Infidel Tiger King

    It will come back and bite me but I think Morrison is doing very well ChiCom wise.

    Chris Uhlmann’s point that he now refers to them as the “Communist” Chinese Government was very telling. Language means everything to those rats.

  95. JC

    Menzies had a reasonable manufacturing industry albeit on the back of tariffs (price control

    and import quotas and financial restrictions. You had to apply to the RBA in order to purchase foreign currency when going overseas. Hey, but society was homogeneous.

    Some of you fuckers don’t realize just how spartan we were.

    And by the way, Mark A. You could try and distinguish between the subsidy ridden renew-ball industry and hugely protected manufacturing industry of that time by explaining the difference.

  96. Infidel Tiger King

    Merkel is an abomination.

    She has destroyed Germany. China has stolen its manufacturing base and IP. Syria has invaded its cities.

  97. Natural Instinct

    To be compared to Menzies, Morrison will have to create, and/or ride, GDP growth rates of:
    1940’s = 3.8
    1950’s = 4.2
    1960’s = 5.3
    Not gonna happen

  98. Infidel Tiger King

    and import quotas and financial restrictions. You had to apply to the RBA in order to purchase foreign currency when going overseas. Hey, but society was homogeneous.

    Some of you fuckers don’t realize just how spartan we were.

    We had full employment. 2 genders. Zero unwed mothers. Civic pride. Went to church. Loved our country. High rates of home ownership paid by one income. Drank bulk piss and all sat down to a roast on Sunday.

    Oh yeah, getting foreign currency was slightly harder.

  99. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Menzies had a reasonable manufacturing industry albeit on the back of tariffs (price control) and patriotic? homogeneous society behind him.
    Scomo has none of that.

    Menzies also had Fadden keeping him honest.
    Scomo has that useless drip wetter-than-Photios McConnel (or whatever his name is)

    We’re not well served.

  100. C.L.

    Merkel is an abomination.

    She has destroyed Germany.

    She has no genetic interest in Germany whatsoever.

  101. JC

    1940’s = 3.8

    Discard nearly all of the 40s growth rate. Most of that was devoted to the war effort. Making bullets in factories is hardly the same thing as making consumer items.

  102. Fisky

    The utter losers who were calling on us to go soft on/appease/sell out to Beijing are going to look very, very bad in a few years. And we’re not talking obscure Commies after ’91 bad, more like Holocaust Deniers any time after WWII bad. This issue is going to shred a lot of careers, and it will be GLORIOUS!

  103. Fisky

    Dumb trade war opponents will have their work cut out trying to go back to the status quo ante with all these hits coming in. Hey losers! You lost. Bigly. Eat it.

    Secretary Pompeo
    @SecPompeo
    ·
    15m
    Today, I designated three senior officials of the Chinese Communist Party in Xinjiang for gross violations of human rights, making them and their immediate family members ineligible for entry into the United States.

  104. JC

    We had full employment.

    Yep, that’s achievable too in a heavily government controlled economy for a time. Keep the wage rate below the clearing rate, which is what they did during those times. I saw studies, which showed the grey labor of the time and the above ground one had about the same wage rates.

    2 genders. Zero unwed mothers. Civic pride. Went to church. Loved our country.

    That’s social stuff. I can’t talk to it. They also had poofter bashing in parks too and lots of drunken violent crime.

    High rates of home ownership paid by one income.

    Dude, the average home of the time was basically crap compared to now. You’re also confusing a home (which is a building) and the land it sits on. Your real problem is with land prices skyrocketing and you can put that down to nimbyism. Homes depreciate. It’s land cost that you really have an issue with and the rising cost of land is poison.

    Drank bulk piss and all sat down to a roast on Sunday.

    Yep.

    Oh yeah, getting foreign currency was slightly harder.

    That’s not a problem to you?

    Look, they had to control capital and other foreign exchange flows because of the state of the economy as everything was fucking nailed to the door, it was so inflexible. Everything was fine and dandy while commodity prices held up as you could cover up the distortions and the massive loss of purchasing power to consumers. When commodity prices fell so did the wall that held everything up.

  105. JC

    If anyone here thinks the trade war with the US is hurting China. You may want to rethink that proposition in light of the shit that’s going on there in terms of market based capital and other market reforms. Looking inward appears to be helping China.

    Read this;

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dear-china-enjoy-bull-market-090248763.html

    Hate them or whatever, but at the end of the day Chinese , particularly the southerners are really smart people and no one should sell them short.

    While the US is trying defund the police, cancel people out who may have said something bad 47 years ago, pull down statues, demand reparations, spend three fucking years trying to tear down a president with bullshit accusations, loot the shit out of cities and witness crime rates going raging.. while that’s happening the Chinese appear to be hankering down and making a go of it on the economic side.

    How pathetic, how fucking weak and fat arsed have we become when people on the so-called Right are demanding we enact massive tariffs in order re-start manufacturing without looking at the reasons why it would be impossible in the current climate.

  106. Natural Instinct

    Look at yearly growth rates.on page 3 graphic
    1940’s = 3.8 average
    Still stands

  107. JC

    Look at yearly growth rates.on page 3 graphic
    1940’s = 3.8 average
    Still stands

    Read what I said. I didn’t say it didn’t stand, I said the entire decade was a war decade, both going in and then coming out. We’ve gone through this before. It took to about 1949 before living standards climbed back to the prior war years. You can claim your growth rate for the decade, but you can’t claim a rise in living standards and that is… That is …the only thing that counts.

  108. JC

    We can knock China as much as we like and yes the place is pretty terrible. But fuck China and worry about ourselves. The leading light in the West as far as personal freedoms go is not looking so flash at all. Instead of the government instituting restrictions on free speech and thought, you have the American left doing what it needs, to stifle even a freedom enshrined in the US constitution. And fucking China has a problem with illiberalism. You’ve got to be kidding.

    America’s liberal intelligentsia thought the election of Donald Trump meant America would re-enact “1984,” but it’s starting to look more like “Homage to Catalonia,” George Orwell’s account of the left’s internecine savagery during the Spanish Civil War. Witness the spectacular online meltdown that followed a liberal open letter opposing left-wing attacks on free speech.

    “A Letter on Justice and Open Debate,” published Tuesday by Harper’s, opens with anti-Trump throat-clearing. It then accurately describes the ferocious campaign of coerced conformity sweeping America’s liberal institutions as they purge dissent from the hard-left line. “Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class,” says the statement signed by more than 150 writers and academics.

    And

    There is a significant layer of hypocrisy here; many free-speech liberals tolerate left-wing mobs when their furies are aimed at conservatives. But now that the purge of conservatives from America’s flagship intellectual institutions is almost complete, new enemies are needed, and it’s no surprise that the left is descending into mutual back-stabbing.

    China is the problem, not the Western left.

  109. rickw

    A few days ago Scott Morrison announced that the Tyndal airstrip in NT was to be extended to allow US B-52 strategic bombers to land and take off.

    It couldn’t already do that?! 🤬

  110. Today he says Hong Kong students will have visas extended after graduation for 10 years. He’s taken to referring to the Chinese Communist Party Government of China.
    Definitely a change in temperature.

    Great to see he found his nuts.

  111. Rockdoctor

    A few days ago Scott Morrison announced that the Tyndal airstrip in NT was to be extended to allow US B-52 strategic bombers to land and take off.

    Why bother, they can use RAAF Darwin and Tindall is another 300km inland. I have seen them climbing out of Darwin to the south when I did business in Berrimah once. Impressive sight and sound…

  112. will

    all sat down to a roast on Sunday.

    and food was *very* expensive in the ‘good old days’.

  113. Rockdoctor

    rickw
    #3508786, posted on July 10, 2020 at 3:45 am

    Quick search reveals B52 take off with full load in good conditions 8,000ft but can blow out in adverse conditions. Tidal has a 9,000ft runway, not much room for error in an area where heat will blow out take off rolls, believe Emirates had a crash a few years back due to hot conditions and the aircraft not being able to produce enough lift to gain flight.

    Darwin a tad cooler being on the coast has an 11,000ft runway. More fudge factor.

  114. Megan

    Patrick Cross link is broken, Tom, if you’re about.

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    Correct RD.

    The airport in Darwin is a RAAF base that lets the civvies use it.

    If they need it, the eight-to-four people just pick up the phone and everything else stops.

  116. Knuckle Dragger

    Kelley’s toon illustrates one of the problems with people’s perception of public figures.

    45 isn’t there to have a nice personality, he’s there to run the fucking country.

    If that concept was true then Merv Hughes would have been our PM for the last 30 years. It’s a lesson Mr Beige, Cory Bernardi learned the hard way.

  117. Entropy

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3508810, posted on July 10, 2020 at 6:41 am
    Kelley’s toon illustrates one of the problems with people’s perception of public figures.

    45 isn’t there to have a nice personality, he’s there to run the fucking country.

    If that concept was true then Merv Hughes would have been our PM for the last 30 years. It’s a lesson Mr Beige, Cory Bernardi learned the hard way.

    And the national party seems intent on learning that hard lesson too.

  118. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here you go Megan: Patrick Cross

    Ramirez gets my gong, fine art and quite bitey! I like the movie too.

  119. I know the writer of that article had a leftist *substantive justice* agenda Knuckles, but you can’t let them or Mobys use the article to bash civil liberties, or good cops.

  120. Knuckle Dragger

    Lawyer X. Informer 3838. Thunder Thighs.

    There was a piece yesterday in, of all things, The Age. In it two veteran homicide detectives claim that VicPlod command intentionally misled a double moida investigation that involved a serving copper at the time in order to protect Gobbo’s identity.

    The moida – the Hodsons, themselves informers was (so the story goes) signed off on to keep Paul Dale, an allegedly amphet-trafficking detective in the clear. This is old ground where wild claims have been flung around all over the shop and been yuuuugely bigly embarrassing for the assortment of imports that made up the top floor, of whom none had ever seen an angry man and consequently never before been called to account for anything at all.

    But this, in my humble view, is different.

  121. notafan

    KD

    Are you suggesting Dale was or wasn’t involved?

    Signed

    Confused.

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    And it’s different due to the people laying this at the feet of the top cops. They’d made statements before, but after the chiefs’ execrable performance earlier this year they’ve kept digging – using the claims made by the bosses in the witness box – and arrived a bit further down the line than they could have before.

    One is Sol Solomon, who’s been a Detective Sergeant at Homicide for at least 15 years and who also spent the majority of his career there. He’s not after promotion, is supremely competent in the vein of Iddles and Bezzina, gives several gigantic fucks about putting the right crook in the bin and has absolutely nothing to gain or lose by going public.

    The other is Cameron Davey, who I know from certain circles. Little bloke, compact, impeccably dressed all the time. The sort of bloke you expect to come to work wearing a bowler hat. He’s not a doorkicker, but by Christ he’s good, and if you ever offed somebody you do NOT want him sniffing after you, because he’ll get you.

    Both were involved in the investigation around the Hodson murders. Davey in particular sensed something was afoot, and chased it down which led him to Overland’s office where he was not only beaten up, he saw the scale of what was going on at what level as well as his inability to do anything about it, and was disgusted to the point he left the cops. A huge waste, but speaks volumes for his personal integrity.

    He now works as an investigator for ICAC, much to the detriment of the top flogs. For anyone interested, this’ll be worth watching.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    nota,

    The suggestion is not that Dale was personally involved, but if he went up in lights his alleged and apparent very substantial links to Carl Williams’ herd of dunderheads would be laid out for all to see, like an antifa protestor outside Swanbourne Barracks.

    Williams bought Rod Collins, a fringe-dwelling hired killer with dead eyes for the job, Dale compromised himself even further for Williams’ benefit in a sort of contra arrangement or payment in trade.

    Apparently.

  124. Herodotus

    With a more supportive media (no chance) and some appreciation on the part of the voters that AC had sensible policies – such as on energy – they would have done better. One Nation Historically got so much negative coverage that votes came their way, but AC got no coverage at all. Too sensible to engage in some newsworthy controversy perhaps.

  125. Cassie of Sydney

    “BrettW
    #3508722, posted on July 9, 2020 at 11:23 pm
    Have heard good things about the Doco on Stan called Outcry. About a Texas high school football player who was accused and convicted of abusing a 4 year old. Just started it but from what I have heard does not make the American legal system look good. 5 part series.”

    Given what Lindy Chamberlain, Brother John Tyrrell and more recently Cardinal Pell endured, our legal system here in Australia isn’t much better.

  126. Herodotus

    Bernardi himself used to get coverage from the left leaning media for saying things in parliament that got their hackles up. He should have kept that up and had every candidate being provocative.
    The media can put a pillow over the face of any new arrival on the political scene. They still love the Greens despite them being against the national interest on every subject..

  127. Herodotus

    The FBI still after Bannon. Nothing better to do?

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Footage of that Tedros bloke from the WHO yammering during a presser.

    Man, that’s a nice suit he’s wearing.

  129. Cassie of Sydney

    “Herodotus
    #3508826, posted on July 10, 2020 at 7:40 am
    Bernardi himself used to get coverage from the left leaning media for saying things in parliament that got their hackles up. He should have kept that up and had every candidate being provocative.
    The media can put a pillow over the face of any new arrival on the political scene. They still love the Greens despite them being against the national interest on every subject..”

    Yep….Bernardi kind of disappeared under a big blob of jelly. If he didn’t want to be seen as “controversial” then he should have passed the baton onto someone else or picked someone to be his attack dog. He didn’t.

  130. mh

    Australia must prepare for war against communist China.

    This means indulgences like ‘renewable energy’ must be put to bed right now.

  131. notafan

    Going to venture across town today.

    Its wonderful having to worry about being pulled over by police for the crime of visiting your daughter and her new baby.

    Thanks Typhoid Dan the Tip Top Security Man.

  132. Knuckle Dragger

    Speaking of indulgences:

    In simpler times, hippie communes populated by people without the skills to integrate into normal society used to be out in the hills somewhere, and lasted until the occupants almost starved to death.

    Now they’ve learned their lesson, and have their little sanctuaries in the middle of major cities where they’re always within striking distance of an organic beard oil shop.

  133. rickw

    Daily dose of Vietnam!

  134. Boambee John

    Legalise Sedition
    #3508673, posted on July 9, 2020 at 10:03 pm
    I don’t need to be a nuke engineer to understand they are a force multiplier.

    Weird argument.

    We want to save money, but only a little bit?

    Perhaps not, but it might help you to understand that they cannot simply be conjured up out of thin air. But, you keep dreaming your dreams, if it keeps you happy.

  135. Boambee John

    *I bow to your vast experience of the costs of developing, testing and maintaining a strategic air force with maritime strike capability, Colonel William Mitchell!*

    Your gross ignorance of the massive effort, vast costs and many dead ends that actually ocurred during this process simply confirms my belief that your knowledge of nuclear weapons could be inscribed on the back of an aspirin using a crowbar as the stylus.

  136. stackja

    Petering out again?
    Scrolling, scrolling…

  137. mh

    Lee Zeldin
    @RepLeeZeldin
    Fascinatingly ineffective, first of its kind strategy in progress by Mayor DeBlasio: At the same time, he is both asking the President for a $7.4 BILLION bailout while also trolling the President by painting this mural in front of Trump Tower in NYC.

    https://twitter.com/RepLeeZeldin/status/1281273365567848448?s=20

  138. WTF are you talking about John?

    Mitchell was right and so were the pro nuke guys on cost (effectiveness).

    “Stuff’s hard, so you think it has zero costs”

    Bizarre.

  139. Boambee John

    It is arguing against getting better subs, BTW.

    Actually, we could both get better subs (purchased or leased from the US) and save money.

  140. Mother Lode

    The FBI still after Bannon. Nothing better to do?

    If they don’t keep themselves busy going after the wrong people, they might have to start going after the right people.

    And they have their careers to think of.

  141. Good morning all.
    Time for Churchill to lift the mood.

    What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

    How prescient of him to say perverted science with all that is happening with the glorified flu and trans activists.

  142. Boambee John

    rickw
    #3508786, posted on July 10, 2020 at 3:45 am
    A few days ago Scott Morrison announced that the Tyndal airstrip in NT was to be extended to allow US B-52 strategic bombers to land and take off.

    It couldn’t already do that?! 🤬

    RAAF Darwin has had that capability for around 30 years.

  143. Boambee John

    Dot

    Mitchell was right and so were the pro nuke guys on cost (effectiveness).

    Mitchell was right about which? Strategic bombing (which probably cost more that the damage inflicted on Germany, though not in Japan, where the experience gained against Germany and the atom bombs finally produced decisive results) or anti-shipping strike, where Mitchell’s high level bombing approach proved totally ineffective?

  144. Knuckle Dragger

    Last day of this stooopid course.

    The reservoir of tolerance towards my fellow participants is dangerously low.

  145. Mater

    and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

    Or, alternatively, tear their memorials down after about 80 years!

  146. Mother Lode

    Saw this when scrolling through mh’s link. Thought it might be of interest to someone here:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    10h
    For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!

    There is also another tweet – not sure quite what it means – saying:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    12h
    Man, I laugh my nuts off when I think about how I got out of VN when the Aussies secretly FORCED conscripts to go. CACKED my self senseless many times. Many many times. I guess you can never get over that. Not even half a century later.

    Must mean something.

  147. Mother Lode

    I saw an interview with Cuomo where he was explaining (using that word loosely) that the reason the Covid outbreak in NY was so bad was because the Federal Government – as in Trump, we all know that the federal agencies are lined up solidly behind him – had originally told NY that the virus was coming from Europe.

    And somehow, one of the upshots of NY being so misled, was sending infected people back to nursing homes.

    Suddenly it all became clear: Cuomo is an idiot.

  148. Tom

    Siemens demonstrates to the rest of the big business idiocracy how to get eaten by Marxist zombies:

    German industrial giant Siemens has unveiled plans to set its energy subsidiary on the road towards a coal power-free future, as it won backing from shareholders to spin off the unit.

    Days after Germany agreed to end use of coal-fired power generation by 2038, the conglomerate’s chief executive Joe Kaeser underlined plans to shift its division Siemens Energy towards a greener model.

    “I’ve requested that the executive board of Siemens Energy AG rapidly submit a plan for exiting coal-fired power generation in a way that meets the needs of our stakeholders,” Mr Kaeser told shareholders gathering to vote on plans to float the unit on the stock market.

    “This plan will be more responsible than the demands being raised unilaterally by some activists, but it will certainly be more rigorous than laggards consider necessary,” he added, without giving a timeline for the exit.

    The industrial giant had been under fire from climate protesters for providing rail signalling equipment to Adani’s controversial planned Carmichael coal mine in Australia.

    With protesters chanting outside a general assembly meeting in February, Mr Kaeser had said then that his company would make €1 billion ($US1.1 billion) available between now and 2025 to identify and reduce greenhouse emissions in its supply chains.

    You idiot, Herr Kaiser. You’ve just demonstrated that a few hundred zombies on social media campaigning for a return to the 19th century can destroy any company they target. And one victory doesn’t satisfy them; it just makes them hungrier.

    None of these losers will ever love you. Who loves weaklings?

  149. Roger

    and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

    Or, alternatively, tear their memorials down after about 80 years!

    And blame it for ‘transphobia’.

  150. Gilas

    Tom
    #3508872, posted on July 10, 2020 at 9:11 am

    You idiot, Herr Kaiser. You’ve just demonstrated that a few hundred zombies on social media campaigning for a return to the 19th century can destroy any company they target. And one victory doesn’t satisfy them; it just makes them hungrier.

    A point already well made by Sydney:

  151. Rossini

    mh
    #3508837, posted on July 10, 2020 at 7:53
    am
    +1000

  152. twostix

    But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science

    Churchill and Eisenhower both warned us about the danger of the scientific techocratic elite.

    In Eisenhowers now famous military industrial complex speech he wasn’t just warning about that, but two things, the very next paragraph he warns:

    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

    And here we are.

  153. Farmer Gez

    Covid in July – brought to you by Martin Pakula and NUW.

    I should be a judge.

  154. miltonf

    Latest brain fart from piece of shit Biden…

    Former Vice President Joe Biden delivered an economic speech in Dunmore, Pennsylvania, on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic vision, declaring an “end to the era of shareholder capitalism.”

    What about putting an end to sleazy career politicians who grow wealthy from pay to play.

  155. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Who loves weaklings?’

    Nobody, that’s who.

  156. Geriatric Mayfly

    whether the company is liable for selling sperm to multiple families who did not know their donor had serious mental health problems

    The company should not be sourcing Mooslie terrorists and stabbies in the first place.

  157. Roger

    Former Vice President Joe Biden delivered an economic speech in Dunmore, Pennsylvania, on Thursday in which he unveiled his economic vision, declaring an “end to the era of shareholder capitalism.”

    Joe’s trying to ride the BLM/Antifa/Marxist wave all the way to the WH.

  158. 2dogs

    Here you go Megan: Patrick Cross

    If one encounters that argument it needs to be turned around. If it is possible to be unconsciously racist, than it is possible to be racist even when one is motivated against racism.

    Then the concept of counter-productive anti-bigotry is shown. And there are a lot of examples of the Left doing it.

  159. dover_beach

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

    It is a fine trick played by the Devil to pretend that actual political decisions are rather scientific-technical questions. We see this constantly when primers apparently defer to CMOs and CHOs.

  160. 2dogs

    There is also another tweet – not sure quite what it means – saying:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    12h
    Man, I laugh my nuts off when I think about how I got out of VN when the Aussies secretly FORCED conscripts to go. CACKED my self senseless many times. Many many times. I guess you can never get over that. Not even half a century later.

    Do you have a link to this Tweet?

  161. Excellent twostix.
    And thank you Roger for the link, although I could stomach only the first paragraph after looking at old mate who wrote that bilge. I shall compose myself for another assault on my senses when time permits. 😬

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    Jesus, people.

    How often do you think DJT uses the word ‘cacked’?

    Inspired by yesterday’s Mocker, no doubt.

  163. dover_beach

    Joe’s trying to ride the BLM/Antifa/Marxist wave all the way to the WH

    Won’t work. Sensible people can see that that he is quite prepared to trash common sense and tradition and that woke capitalism is happy to facilitate the destruction.

  164. thefrollickingmole

    Nice article.
    RTWT
    https://americanmind.org/post/scamocracy-in-america/?

    How did they do it? Consider: Does the ruling class’s shutdown of America, supposedly to save us from Covid-19, have anything in common with its campaign for all manner of racial preferences in the name of racial equality? How about with its campaign against fossil fuels to save us from Global Warming? What does it have in common with establishing the proper relationship between the sexes by promoting divorce and abortion, by presuming men guilty of sexual assault, and by redefining sex? Does it resemble in any way the dumbing down of American education that resulted from the manifold increases in educational spending that promised the opposite? And could any of these ever-so-diverse campaigns possibly be related to the War on Poverty that swelled America’s underclass, or to the post-1945 wars that produced defeat upon defeat but filled corporate boards with retired generals?

    What do all these preoccupations that have dominated American life the last half century have in common? All—the long-running race and poverty scam, the education scam, the environmentalist scam, the sex scam, the security scam, and now the pandemic scam—have been ginned up by the same people, America’s bipartisan ruling class. All have been based on propositions touted as scientific truth by the most highly credentialed persons in America—experts certified by the U.S government, enshrined by academia as science’s spokesmen, and fawned upon by the media working in concert to forbid any disagreement on the matter whatsoever. Yet virtually all their propositions have turned out to be false, and indeed have produced effects opposite to those claimed.

    Not incidentally, somehow, all these scams ended up putting more power and money into the very same hands—their hands—while diminishing the rest of Americans’ freedoms and prospects. Accident, comrade? No. Taking valuable things under false pretenses for the falsifiers’ benefit is the very definition of fraud, of scam. The scams that have flowed from society’s commanding heights are products of our ruling class’s ever-growing internal solidarity, of confidence in its own superiority and entitlement to rule. They are the other side of its intellectual/moral isolation, and of its co-option of ever-less competent members—hence of its corruption. Whenever you hear someone claiming to speak on behalf of the scamocracy, you may be sure that person is a fraud.

  165. max

    Morrison tearing up the extradition agreement with Hong Kong and Australia warning travelers that they should avoid China because of the risk of summary detention are further signs of a cool change.
    What’s new here is Australia getting on the front foot though Michael McCormack interviewed this morning about China produced some of the weakest piffle that could be imagined.

  166. Mother Lode

    Do you have a link to this Tweet?

    Looks like Twitter deleted it.

    But we know.

  167. Roger

    And thank you Roger for the link, although I could stomach only the first paragraph after looking at old mate who wrote that bilge. I shall compose myself for another assault on my senses when time permits. 😬

    Yes, I was going to give a warning…

    The gist of the author’s argument is that in some non-European cultures transexuals were/are tolerated.

    British colonialism, with its strictly binary categorisation of biological sex, was not only retrograde but an example of white supremacists forcing their standards on others.

    His error is a form of ‘assuming the conclusi0n’; the historical and contemporary existence of transexuals does not prove that the phenomenon is normal or that there are more than two sexes.

  168. Roger

    Joe’s trying to ride the BLM/Antifa/Marxist wave all the way to the WH

    Won’t work.

    No, but that’s his strategy; or rather it’s the strategy of those pulling his strings.

  169. candy

    Man, I laugh my nuts off when I think about how I got out of VN when the Aussies secretly FORCED conscripts to go. CACKED my self senseless many times. Many many times. I guess you can never get over that. Not even half a century later.

    Does anyone believe he really tweeted that. It sounds like it is written by an Australian Vietnam returned soldier with a huge grudge.

  170. Old School Conservative

    Henry Ergas has a great piece at the Oz today.
    Quickly summarises the world history of “social distancing”, designed to keep the rich elites safe from the infected poor.
    He lists all the pandemics in history and ranks them by death tolls (Wuhan flu is 4th last out of 17).

    It is chilling analysis of bio-politics with enormous relevance to the action of politicians today.

    One excerpt to give you the flavour:
    Segregated in their houses, which were often shared by four to six families, the city’s poor “died by heaps and were buried by heaps”, while their liberties were trampled on by the 15,000 watchmen who, under England’s Plague Act of 1604, could “hang anyone with plague sores found communing with others, and whip anyone who escaped household quarantine”.

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    He’s nibbling around the hook, having been drawn in by the berley.

  172. Old School Conservative

    It sounds like it is written by an Australian Vietnam returned soldier with a huge grudge.

    My guess is it is written by someone successfully lampooning an Australian Vietnam returned soldier with a huge grudge.

  173. And just quickly before I piss off, I note in today’s Hun that the West Indies cricket team took a knee before play in England. Crash Craddock writing a report about the horrible racism the stars of yesteryear copped.
    From memory, I believe Malcolm Marshall gave back in spades. White C&$_s etc with sprinklings of personal threats. Curtly Ambrose strolling around with that noted humanitarian Malcolm X on his shirt.

  174. Mother Lode

    My guess is it is written by someone successfully lampooning an Australian Vietnam returned soldier with a huge grudge.

    Alas, I am undone.

    Guilty as charged.

    I thought it was obvious.

  175. candy

    My guess is it is written by someone successfully lampooning an Australian Vietnam returned soldier with a huge grudge.

    Actually yes, it does sound more like that.

  176. Old School Conservative

    My apologies KD.
    I have muddied the waters and probably scared the prey away.

  177. Roger

    Henry Ergas has a great piece at the Oz today.

    Thanks for that, osc.

  178. cohenite

    Great Toons Tom; Garrison again in a close race; and let’s hope rowe catches the chunk virus.

    Trump is polling better. However a down side is to him winning in 2020 is Australia will probably get more of these skanks:

    Yes, DeVylder, 42, who grew up in Council Bluffs and now lives and works on the other side of the globe in Sydney, Australia, has become the international symbol of the inconsolable popular-vote winners of our presidential election. (Online she was zinged as the “poster child for the mentally insane Hillary snowflakes.”)

    Look at the smug bitch; 10 to 1 she works in a bureaucracy or a quango to do with the fucking arts.

  179. Old School Conservative

    Ghislaine Maxwell is considered such a strong suicide risk that she has been made to wear paper clothes and sleep on paper sheets in prison. (The Australian)
    A new tactic – death by paper lice.
    Innovative.

  180. Makka

    Look at the smug bitch; 10 to 1 she works in a bureaucracy or a quango to do with the fucking arts.

    Yeah but she cares!

  181. Mother Lode

    Ghislaine Maxwell is considered such a strong suicide risk that she has been made to wear paper clothes and sleep on paper sheets in prison. (The Australian)
    A new tactic – death by paper lice.

    They will find her one morning decapitated.

    The coroners report will conclude extreme paper cut.

  182. Geriatric Mayfly

    From another one who has escaped the nunnery, Kshama Sewant a Socialist Alternative infection in the Seattle City Council. This will shake Jeff to his very foundations, and we now expect big changes in the editorial line at the Washington Post.

    And if you, Jeff Bezos, want to drive that process forward by lashing out against us in our modest demands, then so be it. Because we are coming for you and your rotten system.We are coming to dismantle this deeply oppressive, racist, sexist, violent, utterly bankrupt system of capitalism, this police state. We cannot and will not stop until we overthrow it and replace it with a world based instead on solidarity, genuine democracy, and equality – a socialist world.

  183. Roger

    Ghislaine Maxwell is considered such a strong suicide risk that she has been made to wear paper clothes and sleep on paper sheets in prison. (The Australian)

    Yes, but is the surveillance camera working?

  184. cohenite

    Lawyers for U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan filed a petition Thursday asking the full bench of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to review a 2-1 decision a panel of that court issued last month, directing Sullivan to dispense with his plans for a hearing and instead grant the government’s request to drop the case.

    Sullivan’s petition says the steps he was taking are commonplace and denounces the appeals court’s earlier decision to intercede as “a dramatic break from precedent that threatens the orderly administration of justice.”

    This bastard is personally appealing a Judgment from a superior court overturning his ruling. And the bastard has to gall to say this is not unusual.

    This is stopping Trump from appointing Flynn as the director of the FBI.

  185. Mother Lode

    Yes, but is the surveillance camera working?

    They have removed it ‘in case she films herself to death’.

    Can’t take any risks.

  186. Strategic bombing destroyed Germany’s industrial base.

    1/5 of their workers were homeless.

    It didn’t cost the Allies that much.

    20% of workers being homeless is huge, plus all of the specific logistical and industrial targets, like the MAN ball bearing factory and the Ploiesti oil fields.

  187. William the Conjuror

    Does anyone believe he really tweeted that. It sounds like it is written by an Australian Vietnam returned soldier with a huge grudge.

    It was written by Mother Lode.

  188. Old School Conservative

    Do keep up William.

  189. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘It was written by Mother Lode.’

    Although this no doubt surprised you, and then held your undivided attention for the past two hours while you sleuthed your way to this stunning conclusion, the rest of us (with one apparent exception) worked it out by the time we finished reading it.

    We are truly blessed by your presence and insight.

    Karate Poof.

  190. Back again after my sojourn to the shops.
    I had a squizz at Tim Blair’s site. It appears that Rita Panahi walked off in stunned disagreement with the idiot Nicolas Reece. Not sure what prompted this action but Blair’s assessment of Reece is gold.
    ‘The purpose of Nicolas Reece remains unknown.’ Chortle.

  191. Boambee John

    Dot

    It didn’t cost the Allies that much.

    Only 56,000 Commonwealth dead and some 12,000 bombers lost, plus a similar number of US dead, and around 10,000 bombers lost. Plus the industrial costs of building the aircraft and bases, and the training costs, and the costs of the munitions.

    Oh, and over 300,000 dead Germans, mostly civilians.

    If you call that cheap, I have a bridge to sell you.

    But how about you get back to the subject of Eyrie’s original post, eather than setting ever more distraction squirrels free.

  192. Snoopy

    Mother Load is pseudonym.

  193. Eyrie

    Boambee John, I’ve also seen opinion pieces that said it would have been far better to divert the strategic bombing of Germany to tactical roles after D-Day.
    I think you want warriors not gentlemen in the military. What did Chesty Puller say after inspecting a Marine unit once? “Show me the brig, I want to see the real Marines.”

  194. JC

    Strategic bombing destroyed Germany’s industrial base.

    Sweden should have been bombed to oblivion. They weren’t “neutral”. They were actually assisting the German war effort.

  195. Makka

    Was Dresden tactical or strategic? Or…..?

  196. Geriatric Mayfly

    Huge run of salmon this morning at Brooks Falls, Alaska. Bears fishing in the river now showing less effort and little appetite. A day ago, a little itty-bitty cuddly cublet, in front of the cameras for God’s sake, showed severe signs of weakness; bravely swam after its mother across to an island and was seen no more. The laws of the wilderness prevailed, but the event provoked comments akin to those reserved for late lamented St George of Minneapolis.

  197. Bruce in WA

    Yes, DeVylder, 42, who grew up in Council Bluffs and now lives and works on the other side of the globe in Sydney, Australia, has become the international symbol of the inconsolable popular-vote winners of our presidential election. (Online she was zinged as the “poster child for the mentally insane Hillary snowflakes.”)

    Look at the smug bitch; 10 to 1 she works in a bureaucracy or a quango to do with the fucking arts.

    Bingo! She and her husband own a design studio

  198. Slim Cognito

    Bingo! She and her husband own a design studio …

    Staff photos look like a greens party meeting

  199. mh

    Trump had his own personal Vietnam – avoiding STDs.

    Vaginas are land mines!

  200. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here’s one for William.

    De Blasio Announces System For Reporting Social Distancing Violations: Knowledgeable Actors Reporting Edict Noncompliance (KAREN) (via Instapudit)

    “It is up to every citizen to watch and monitor everyone else and report to the police anything they don’t like,” de Blasio said. “That’s why we have created a new enforcement program: Knowledgeable Actors Reporting Edict Noncompliance, or KAREN for short.”

  201. Tom

    Trump live on Hannity: the frightbat mayor of Seattle cleared out the downtown anarchist encampment only because the president rang her and threatened to send in the feds if she didn’t.

  202. lotocoti

    Strategic bombing destroyed Germany’s industrial base.

    Industrial production only began to fall in 1945, when bombing technology finally caught up with the strategic intent.

    It didn’t cost the Allies that much.

    Some might consider spending a quarter of your wartime GDP on heavy bombers (UK) a bit much.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    Bingo! She and her husband own a design studio …

    … whose only clients appear to be state gummint bureaucracies.

  204. Shy Ted

    You were right cohenite and others who linked. Here’s a little extract – Our work to help Queensland Government become more client-centric won three Good Design Awards in 2018 – including the best overall Good Design of the Year Award. In 2015 we won Best Overall in Service Design for helping the State Library of Victoria to reimagine its future and secure millions of dollars in funding to make it happen.
    Yep, you’re paying for it.

  205. Struth

    We realists look to a pretty grim future of violence and poverty.

    If Trump loses, violence, poverty, and lights out for the Western world.
    A new dark ages as the global socialists complete control take control and laugh at those expecting a socialist utopia that will never eventuate, and then start fighting amongst themselves immediately.
    The level of ignorance to think it ever could eventuate, can only come about when envy and entitlement and immorality overpowers all logic.

    If Trump wins, it will make the riots in the streets of his first victory seem as if they were peaceful Sunday outings for icecream.
    Retaliation will then be forced against the left, as is their want, coming from the armed populous of the USA which have been so remarkably tolerant, even I am surprised.
    It reinforces that we are on the right side of history, and I am proud of the peace in the hearts of everyone of them.
    But in the end they will have to fight.
    We in Australia will walk meekly into tyrannical slavery and our children will live in utter misery.

    Am I being too dramatic, or am I being a realist when I look at all I see?

  206. dover_beach

    Check out this rabble in the UK. It perfectly illustrates my previous link above. Note also how ineffectual the UK Police are too.

  207. 1735099

    Last day of this stooopid course.

    The reservoir of tolerance towards my fellow participants is dangerously low.

    Writes the commenter with “principles”
    He has so many principles, that he will lecture others about integrity whilst at the same time attending a course for which he has no respect, and about which he whines incessantly.
    If he were fair dinkum, he’d tell the agency providing the programme to stick it.
    What a steaming hypocrite…..

  208. You are being a realist struth. What President Trump and those that voted for him have endured would have made mince meat of lesser beings. You could bet your bottom dollar that Soros and his minions in the Democrats have something up their sleeves in the lead up to November.

  209. Makka

    What a steaming hypocrite…..

    Says the committed communist with the investment property thieving from the poor downtrodden proletariat.

  210. thefrollickingmole

    dover_beach
    Another very good article.

  211. Bruce of Newcastle

    What’s with lefties and projection?
    Over and over.

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    I never said I had principles, you low energy clown. I said you abandoned yours, because you said so yourself.

    Put it this way. If the bloke running the course said we were all going to Adelaide River (an hour away) for the afternoon to finish up, I’d say ‘I don’t want to go’ and leave. Unhindered. And they’d let me. Just like they would have let you, 50 years ago.

    On that subject, I have a story on this fascinating subject I may relate later.

    This is not the gotcha you’re looking for.

  213. woolfe

    Breaking: Ghislaine found dead in her cell. Apparently she rolled over in her sleep and cut her throat on her paper sheets.

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    Put your cam cream/trigger discipline photo up again, Old Yeller.

    It’s a cracker.

  215. rickw

    Just went for a walk through MEL terminal

    #GovernmentDestruction

  216. liliana

    Staff photos look like a greens party meeting

    Looks like a staff meeting where my colleagues argued that the answer to the world’s problems is increased funding for the arts. Apparently we should be diverting funds from hospitals to folk festivals and interpretive dance workshops. It’s depressing that government departments are full of people this.

  217. Old School Conservative

    The Australian is schizophrenic.
    Great article by Ergas.
    Then sloppy leftist doggerel re the “Palace letters”.
    Uses inflammatory language like bombshell and biggest political scandal. Includes a video of all Royal scandals including Charles’ tampon comment.
    The Oz has moved well to the left of rational debate.

    Although I did enjoy the scene in that video of the Queen telling off a reporter who had said “take the Crown off it’s too dressy”.

  218. 1735099

    I never said I had principles,

    Who knew?

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