Up and at them Cats! Wind running at 2.2% capacity!!

Lets strike while the iron is hot, the wind today and yesterday went as low as it ever has done across the whole of the SE.  2.2%  

Update – 1.9%

I am happy to run with Cardinoma’s revised version of the letter with a sentence inserted to draw attention to the situation right now, may be out of date by the time it is read, so have dated it.

Suggested subject line RE CRISIS – RECORD LOW WINDS

So cut and paste into a mail to your local member asap and send me the replies to consider the next question. Most will go to the responsible Minister but that’s ok, we will ask more pointed questions in future. And we will find people to write to the responsible Minister as well.

While some Aussies are pleased we’ve got lots of renewables, I’ve noticed that sometimes there’s no wind for hours.

This website shows wind farm output – https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy
Sometimes it’s almost nothing – https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/june

On Tuesday 7 and Wednesday 8 the wind went down to 2.2% of plated capacity, practically record lows! That looks like a wake up call!

Right now we’ve got coal, gas and some hydro to take over when the wind drops, but what happens when more coal gets shut down?

Are you fellas onto this? What’s the Party room’s plan to keep the lights on during wind droughts when all coal is closed?

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25 Responses to Up and at them Cats! Wind running at 2.2% capacity!!

  1. Hew

    Gorman, Patrick (MP)

    12:47 (2 minutes ago)

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  2. Speedbox

    I just saw Mike Cannon-Brookes on TV saying that Australia is one of the windiest countries on the planet and NOW was a great time for the Federal Government to increase the subsidies for wind and solar power generation in Australia.

  3. jupes

    Hey Rafe, do you know where we can get stats on WA wind farms?

  4. Cynic of Ayr

    Ummm, is there an actual suggested letter to cut and paste from?

  5. jupes

    Here is the reply from my state member’s office:

    Dear jupes

    Thank you for your email.

    There is a significant body of work being undertaken by the current McGowan Government regarding the changing supply chains of generation, transmission, distribution and retail of electricity, which is a global phenomenon. You can find significant detail on the Energy Transformation Strategy here.

    I can assure you that there are no plans to transition to 100% wind generation in Western Australia and that there is comprehensive planning underway through this mechanism.

    If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact our office.

    Kind Regards

    The website they linked to is here.

    Suggestions?

  6. Cardimona

    Cynic of Ayr

    This bit is the letter…

    While some Aussies are pleased we’ve got lots of renewables, I’ve noticed that sometimes there’s no wind for hours.

    This website shows wind farm output – https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy
    Sometimes it’s almost nothing – https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/june

    On Tuesday 7 and Wednesday 8 the wind went down to 2.2% of plated capacity, practically record lows! That looks like a wake up call!

    Right now we’ve got coal, gas and some hydro to take over when the wind drops, but what happens when more coal gets shut down?

    Are you fellas onto this? What’s the Party room’s plan to keep the lights on during wind droughts when all coal is closed?

  7. Boambee John

    Speedbox
    #3507241, posted on July 8, 2020 at 3:03 pm
    I just saw Mike Cannon-Brookes on TV saying that Australia is one of the windiest countries on the planet and NOW was a great time for the Federal Government to increase the subsidies for wind and solar power generation in Australia.

    It’s people like him who give fvckwits a good name.

    Wind is cheap, so please increase the subsidies.

  8. Cynic of Ayr

    Cardimona
    Ah… so!!!!
    Thanks.

  9. Lee

    I just saw Mike Cannon-Brookes on TV saying that Australia is one of the windiest countries on the planet and NOW was a great time for the Federal Government to increase the subsidies for wind and solar power generation in Australia.

    Somebody (Rafe?) wrote last week something to the effect that significant areas of Australia don’t get much in the way of wind at all.

  10. min

    Just as I said you’ll only get automated replies unless it is a matter within their portfolio or to do with electorate.
    I sent an email today to Tim smith re Daniel Andrews that said We were a group of retired professionals who were wanting to put their life experience and expertise to bringing Chairman Dan to account and firstly letting the opposition have a meeting with him and reopening parliament . I sent it at 9am got automated reply so immediately rang office and got her to read it out . I left my mobile for him to ring still waiting . Followed up with a terrible photo of him used over Nepean Highway today with banner saying F you you are to blame not us . see it on Michael Smith news it is a classic.
    So what next?

  11. Speedbox

    Lee
    #3507400, posted on July 8, 2020 at 5:58 pm

    Somebody (Rafe?) wrote last week something to the effect that significant areas of Australia don’t get much in the way of wind at all.

    Yeah, I recall. But, there was this guy, slobbering at the idea that more subsidies were required and now would be a perfect time to act. Create jobs etc etc.

    Utter nonsense and falsification but not a word of dissent by the interviewer. Guess which channel? (Yeah, I know, too easy).

  12. Wyndham Dix

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  13. Megan

    Automatic response from my MP.

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  14. Rafe Champion

    Don’t be disconcerted by the automated reply, they all get too much mail to handle promptly, hence the telephone number if it is urgent.
    However it is quite likely that the next response will be to say they have passed your concern to the responsible minister. Cardinoma and I will confer with his Canberra contact to consider the best rejoinder to that.

  15. jupes

    Regarding the correspondence with my state MP’s office above:

    I sent the email as suggested and got the rote reply with attached link to WA government Energy Transformation Strategy. This is a boring document with plenty of gumph about models and such but short on detail and stats. It doesn’t address the reason we need to move to renewables, it just takes the ‘CO2 is evil’ hypothesis as a given.

    I can’t see the value pursuing it further with them because I don’t have the technical knowledge about wind, solar and batteries and don’t believe that the state mp (or his office) will engage on my area of expertise i.e. that Australia’s CO2 emissions have fuck all effect on the weather.

    So I will just leave it there and hope that you better informed eastern states cats can get better results with your lot. Good luck.

  16. Squirrel

    It’s all OK – leccy flivvers are coming to the rescue –

    https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/6824398/electric-cars-set-to-drive-grid-stability/

    And there’ll be no problems dealing with all those batteries when they die – they’ll just decompose and fertilise the home crop of mung beans and marijuana…..

  17. Rafe Champion

    Jupes that is par for the course at this stage of the game and this is about challenging the possibility of the green transition, not changing their minds about CO2.
    What if you send the letter to your Federal rep, it is more relevant to him/her because the links refer to the SE grid and we are looking at this from the national point of view. The local reps can say they don’t care about statistics in the Easter grid.
    As to knowing about the mechanics of the WA plan, that is where Cardinoma and I will write the letters to challenge them on the details, so don’t abandon the game too soon! I will contact Jo Nova for a source that will provide basic information on the WA power system, I would like to have that for myself to get a better picture of the whole country.

  18. Another Ian

    This fits in here IMO

    “The excess costs of Weather Dependent Renewable power generation in the EU(28): 2020”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/08/the-excess-costs-of-weather-dependent-renewable-power-generation-in-the-eu28-2020/

  19. Alex

    Have sent mine to George Christensen, MP for Dawson (QLD). He is normally quite responsive so will post his response when to hand. Rate, how do you want these responses in the days to come as today’s “page” will roll away over time?

  20. Alex

    Rafe, not Rate, bloody spellfeckers.

  21. Another Ian

    Sent to one Fed (circular response so far) and two state (nil so far)

  22. custard

    Hi Cardi and Rafe,

    Letter sent to Anne Aly and just got back the automated reply. Will advise if any proper reply is forthcoming.

  23. Old School Conservative

    I contacted Jason Falinsky. Will let you know what comes back.

  24. Cardimona

    Thanks, Cats

    Because I’ve hammered (phrasing!) my (useless!) state and federal members endlessly on these subjects, I didn’t conform to the layout I recommended above.

    My enquiries went like this…

    Shane Knuth
    Member for Hill

    G’day Shane

    Shane, here’s why renewables cannot power the grid – sometimes there’s no wind for hours. Yesterday was a case in point.

    This website shows wind farm output – (Link to anero.id)

    Sometimes it’s almost nothing – https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/june

    Yesterday, Wednesday, July 8, at 2.40 in the afternoon, the wind went down to 1.8% of plated capacity – a near-record low.

    https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/july/8

    (Screenshot of anero.id’s record for 8/7 as percentage of capacity)

    That’s just 128 megawatts, or 0.4% of what the grid needs. Gone. In just a matter of a few minutes.

    (Screenshot of anero.id’s record for 8/7 as megawatts)

    Isn’t that a wake up call?

    Right now we’ve got coal, gas, and some hydro to take over when the wind drops, but what happens when more coal gets shut down?

    Are you fellas onto this? What’s the Party room’s plan to keep the lights on during wind droughts when all coal is closed?

    Can you ask the Minister for Natural Resources, Mines and Energy for his solution?

    Please don’t accept “batteries that haven’t yet been invented” as an answer.

    Will you also please ask him if he sees electricity as a product or as a service?

    Thanks in advance
    Cheers
    (Cardimona)

  25. jupes

    What if you send the letter to your Federal rep, it is more relevant to him/her because the links refer to the SE grid and we are looking at this from the national point of view.

    Thanks Rafe, I didn’t bother sending to my Federal Rep (Patrick Gorman) because Hew (above) had already done so and received a reply basically telling him he is not interested.

    I have contacted my state rep on other matters and he has been very good at responding by phoning me for a chat. However he is away injured at the minute so I have had to deal with his office, who from previous experience I have found to be expert at fobbing-off e.g. the link to the WA government Energy Transformation Strategy.

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