Guest post. Cardimona planting seeds of doubt

Since retiring I’ve made it my mission in life to plant seeds of doubt in the minds of left-wing media (BIRM) employees.  You already know, I write many … many letters and texts to editors, often cc-ing the journo who wrote the yarn I’m commenting on.

I also doubt-seed radio and TV hosts and I sent letter to the editor to my region’s AM radio talkback host’s gatekeeper this morning to see if I might get an on air-chat.

The letter went like this…

Emily, Murray, John (we are on first name terms)  Anyone want to talk about these?

How long has COVID-19 been in Australia? At least since the Wuhan lockdown on January 23, 2020, probably earlier.

Why haven’t we seen pictures of overflowing COVID-19 wards here? Because our hospitals are empty.

Why haven’t we seen people falling dead in the street?  Because COVID-19 is nothing like the 1918 Spanish flu.

Why is the death toll only 106 after six months? Because COVID-19 is just the seasonal flu.  The year-to-date flu death toll is exceptionally low due to all the extra hygiene.

Why have only 14 people aged under 70 died here, with the youngest aged 58? Because the seasonal flu is always more dangerous for the elderly.

Why are we seeing more positive cases? Because more testing is being done.

Are the tests accurate? Not all; many test “COVID-19 positive” for all coronaviruses – even the sniffles.

What percentage of Australians have shown symptoms? Just 0.03%.

What percentage of Australians have died “with”, not necessarily “of”, COVID-19? A tiny 0.0004%.

Why has the term “flatten the curve” vanished? Because there was no curve to flatten.

Why isn’t anyone talking about the “life-saving COVID-Safe app” anymore? Because it doesn’t work.

Why are politicians now talking about “elimination” and not “curve flattening”? Because all this angst has nothing to do with COVID-19.

Can COVID-19 be eliminated? Of course not; no coronavirus has ever been eliminated.

When will there be a vaccine? Maybe next week or maybe next month or next year or in 20 years time.  Maybe.

How can COVID-19 be “deadly” when 80% of people experience few, if any, symptoms? Because we’re being indoctrinated in “doublethink” as in George Orwell’s “1984”.

Why are the media so excited? Clicks.  Bad news sells.

Why are politicians, especially Dan Andrews, so sure COVID-19 is a risk worth crashing the economy for? This has nothing to do with COVID-19. Why is he crashing his grid with windmills?

How much is the COVID-19 panicdemic costing individuals, companies and taxpayers? It’s such a huge figure it becomes meaningless.

OK then, know-all, why are we being subjected to all this? Our ideological enemies are prepared to crash Western economies to prevent Donald John Trump being re-elected US President.

What do they get out of that?  Permanent power.  Our vote will become irrelevant.

Being a realist, I wasn’t expecting any reply – just as the original letter hasn’t been printed in any newspapers.  So I was quite surprised to get a return email from the extreme-green, far-left morning show host who doubles as assistant to the talkback host.  He’s a reasonable bloke, given his wild and whacky beliefs…

Hi (Cardi),  Emily has forward this email on to me to consider.

Our company has provided very strict guidelines about the pandemic and to ensure that anything we broadcast is in accordance with the official scientific and medical research/data. (My italics, Cardi)

Unfortunately, many of the issues you raise are clearly outside this directive and the accepted medical and scientific position. We have been strictly told by management not to delve into areas of conjecture. It is also a situation where management deems the current approach taken by our Government (and the scientific/medial data) to be fully supported by the overwhelming majority of the Australian public. I know some may question aspects of the approach taken to the pandemic, but as broadcasters, we need to consider the position of the vast majority of the audience.

Sorry we are unable to assist with you on this topic, but our hands are tied with respect to what we can and can’t do in relation to the pandemic. Cheers,

Murray

Naturally, I replied immediately…

Hmmm, yes, thank you, Murray. Exactly the reply I expected – if I got one at all…”We’re all in this together”, right?

Except for the casual nurses who aren’t getting any shifts and haven’t since the “pandemic” started.

Remember how the Chief Medical Officer claimed we’d have 150,000 deaths no matter what we did?

Can you see the problem?

They were wrong.

They are following a script despite real-world events not matching.

Bizarre…

We’re not being “saved”, Murray – we’re being set up.

This is climate change on steroids, mate.

You know me, I read science.

There is far, far more published science that shows there’s no need for all this totalitarian government intervention than supports it.

In fact, it’s really only the usual far-left academics that are supporting it.

It’s a soft coup, mate – on a global scale.

I wonder if your bosses at Grant Broadcasting have contemplated what might happen to them and to their business if I am right and they are wrong.

History tells us that when socialists, fascists and/or communists take over, existing media figures are “replaced” with party figures.

“Replaced” with no need for a retirement plan.

Murray, I like you and John.

I do hope you’ll be OK in the long run.

Please pass my best wishes to John and good luck to you both.

Cheers

(Cardimona)

Surprisingly, I got another reply!

Thanks (Cardi), I will pass that on. We may have some disagreements, but I admire your persistence and interest.

Take care.

So I sent back…

Thanks, mate.

If ever you want to read the science yourself just let me know and I’ll organise you some links.

Cheers,

And Murray wrote back again!

Time is always my challenge… I’m not as young as I used to be lol!

As you can see, Murray has no intention of digging into the truth of the panicdemic – because his entire existence relies on conforming to the approved narrative.  However he now has a seed of doubt planted in the back of his mind.  He knows there’s science out there that doesn’t conform to his approved version of reality because he has had to make an excuse not to read it.

I left the exchange there, so as not to trample the seed-bed.

We all need a hobby and/or a purpose in life.  Can you imagine if we all did that instead of just sharpening our claws on each other?

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78 Responses to Guest post. Cardimona planting seeds of doubt

  1. calli

    I left the exchange there, so as not to trample the seed-bed.

    Those seeds will grow, Cardi. Well done.

  2. Lee

    Unwarranted MSM hysteria has greatly exacerbated the problem, not highlighted or exposed political and so-called medical expert incompetence and exaggeration.
    It has reached the point where I have very little faith or trust in MSM “reporting” on anything remotely related to politics (which in this day and age, has infested nearly everything).

  3. Docket62

    This is a really thoughtful OPED on Why the world hates DJT. Its pertinent for the arrival of COVID and the list of questions no one will answer Rafe.

  4. John Brumble

    If I might be so bold – perhaps limit the content of each letter to one particular topic. You’re not going to change the entirety of leftism in one go, after all.

    For example, in this letter, you’ve done both COVID and climate change. If someone’s completely rusted on to one of those two, they’ll simply dismiss the other.

  5. Sunbird

    I agree with you Rafe that that Covid 19 is just another death risk to be managed. However Australia is a nanny state that expects the government to protect us from every risk no matter how small it is.
    There are countless examples of this everywhere especially in OH&S and the road rules.
    Despite what they may tell you the Ayres Rock climb was shut down because its now considered too dangerous not because of any sacred site stuff.
    Its the 21st century Australian culture mate.

  6. Megan

    It is thanks to your passion and commitment that I signed onto the email your MP regarding the useless wind farms. My initial undergrad degree was science and although I moved away from the pure sciences to other fields my inquiring, scientific brain always needs to find out more.

    The seeds of doubt approach is a good one and I will take it on in my attempts to get people to see the utter stupidity we are having to endure in our nuke the economy approach to a virus that has not lived up to its hype.

  7. Speedbox

    Wow.

    Our company has provided very strict guidelines about the pandemic and to ensure that anything we broadcast is in accordance with the official scientific and medical research/data. (My italics, Cardi)

    Unfortunately, many of the issues you raise are clearly outside this directive….

    Acknowledgment that only the approved ‘party’ line is acceptable. No dissent or questioning will be entertained. We all know it happens but I have never seen acknowledgement before.

  8. calli

    Yes, Speedbox. That little factoid should be broadcast far and wide.

    It is the elephant in the room and they have admitted it!

    So much for journalistic integrity (yes, oxymoron). This is a scandal.

  9. Lee

    Our company has provided very strict guidelines about the pandemic and to ensure that anything we broadcast is in accordance with the official scientific and medical research/data.

    Investigative journalism, MSM always questioning and open-mindedness RIP.

  10. Paul

    Well said.
    Agree 200%.
    As someone once said, the left have to pretend to not know things.

  11. mareeS

    I’ve had a couple of sick/vomity days in May/June, nothing a day in bed didn’t fix. Healthy now, so why is everything “The Virus”?

  12. Professor Fred Lenin

    We will know more about the climate change situation next year when the extremely urgent critical climate holocaust crisis meeting is held somewhere and the 30,000 taxpayer funded “scientists “ give us the benefit of their extensive research trying to find a reasonably credible narrative to persuade us to subsidise the billionaire renewable energy carpetbaggers. The 2020meeting was cancelled because of the Chinese Biowar virus ,the climate was persuaded not to change untill the next meeting was convened .
    You woukd be amazed at what lefty “scientists “can invent .

  13. Kev from Canberra

    What telling admissions from Murray there. “Media has been given directive from higher authority to report within strict guidelines and what with how busy we are, who has time to investigate anyway…..praise the leader”

  14. Catcalling Inebriate

    Rafe should visit Texas

  15. Cardimona

    If I might be so bold – perhaps limit the content of each letter to one particular topic.

    John, this is because Murray and I go waaay back.
    Relatively recently he was filling in for John as talkback host and he plucked up the courage to discuss climate change with me on air.
    It was immediately apparent he had no clue about the science and was merely reciting dogma.
    I was very kind to him, by my standards, because I wanted to inform the listeners.
    That chat ended up going for about 11 minutes, IIRC.
    Listeners who know me were amazed, and I got a minor avalanche of phone calls and emails with the common theme that they were astonished that Murray had let me dissect his beliefs on air.
    I think he had thought he’d be able to show me up, it just didn’t work out that way.
    But yes, I wouldn’t have dragged CC into it with a fresh subject.

    Acknowledgment that only the approved ‘party’ line is acceptable. No dissent or questioning will be entertained. We all know it happens but I have never seen acknowledgement before.

    Exactly, Speedbox.
    That’s why I hit Rafe up for another guest post.
    It’s not often you see it in black and white.

  16. stackja

    Public housing residents in a tower that has at least 53 coronavirus cases will remain in hard lockdown, while residents in the remaining towers will be eased to stage three restrictions. It comes as Victoria recorded 165 new coronavirus cases on day one of strict new rules across the city.

    Sophie Welsh, Alex White, Brianna Travers, Lucy Callander and Ashley Argoon, Herald Sun
    July 9, 2020 6:15pm

    Residents of public housing towers at 33 Alfred St, North Melbourne will be confined to lockdown for a further nine days after testing revealed at least 53 confirmed coronavirus cases on Thursday.

    After 2515 tower residents were tested in five days, one tower had a substantially high number of cases.

    33 Alfred St, North Melbourne has the highest cases of all towers, with at least 53 confirmed cases.

    All residents of the affected tower must now isolate for 14 days, while some other towers can ease back to Stage Three restrictions too.

    Towers at 12 Sutton Street, 76 Canning Street, 12 Holland Court, 120 Racecourse Rd, 126 and 130 Racecourse Rd will reopen from 11.59pm on Thursday night.

    There were 158 positive cases in the towers, which equals about 11 per cent of residents.

  17. Roger

    Our company has provided very strict guidelines about the pandemic and to ensure that anything we broadcast is in accordance with the official scientific and medical research/data.

    We now have official science and the silencing of dissenting opinions.

    Be that as it may, more power to you, Cardimona.

  18. Bronson

    We only broadcast the party line – oh dear how sad too bad.

  19. Cardimona

    Docket62’s link at 5.15 pm is a must read.

    Thanks, Doc!

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    Disagree.
    Seeds of truth, not seeds of doubt.
    Accurate.

  21. Matt

    “Why is the death toll only 106 after six months? Because COVID-19 is just the seasonal flu. The year-to-date flu death toll is exceptionally low due to all the extra hygiene.”

    Except that this is an n=1 argument that ignores what’s happening in the rest of the world.

  22. NoFixedAddress

    Good stuff Cardimona

    +4 Docket62!

  23. egg_

    Except that this is an n=1 argument that ignores what’s happening in the rest of the world.

    New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says

  24. cohenite

    The chunk virus was man made and I’m coming around to the position it was deliberately released.

  25. TN

    Questioning and ridiculing is appropriate–well done for drawing out the toe the line reply.

    “The year-to-date flu death toll is exceptionally low due to all the extra hygiene.”

    Medical data can be manipulated for all kinds of purposes; I’m especially not feeling very trustworthy of this current situation. Something smells like a week old fish.

    I have some different theories on the supposed wonders of the extra hygiene though, one of which I’ll posit here: I’ve noticed around the traps that a number of people are saying they’re digesting a lot less news, media and TV. I know my consumption has drastically reduced since all the hyper-panic/illness/intense hygiene messaging began.

    I’m very deliberately keeping focused on other things and trying my best to stick to the Biblical notion of “not giving place” to evil.

    Which also means I, and a lot of others, are being exposed to a whole lot less brainwashing with winter illness ads. Not seeing ’em.

    Something to think about.

  26. Struth

    Great stuff Cardimona.
    I know you don’t mind us using your writings.
    I am about to use that.

  27. Docket62

    The chunk virus was man made and I’m coming around to the position it was deliberately released.
    I think most rational researchers, when confronted with the timing, the response globally and the stakes think precisely the same thing. The human sacrifice appears to be acceptable friendly fire losses.

  28. Cardimona

    I know you don’t mind us using your writings.
    I am about to use that.

    Please do, Struth; I’ve been using your stuff for years.
    I just wish I could be certain I’m catching all your commentary via control-f-searching full pages on the OF.
    As others have noted, you’ve been closer to correct than anyone else for quite a long time.
    Who’d have thought a “mere truckie” could be far smarter than all the university graduates in any given room?

  29. Struth

    Who’d have thought a “mere truckie” could be far smarter than all the university graduates in any given room?

    I’m also easy on the eyes!
    Seriously, I was about to put your Q&A up in the outsiders support group on facebook, but I said something similar there this morning, and I’ve been booted.
    No one wants to let this be seen that’s for sure.

  30. Siltstone

    Great stuff Cardimona

  31. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    i agree with most of your sentiments but honestly you are wasting your time. The leftoids will never change their intrenched ideology and probably just sit around and laugh at your emails or letters. Anyway, you are really in a battle with nearly all of the MSM and will get little if any exposure except for venues like this where the like minded gather!

  32. calli

    Not a waste of time at all. Keep at them Cardi, and don’t be discouraged.

    Better to be the Black Knight than some spineless toady.

  33. Cardimona

    i agree with most of your sentiments but honestly you are wasting your time.

    I cant sit here doing nothing, Colonel.
    I want to fight for my country, as my Dad did in WWII.
    Any practical suggestions as to how else to fight against the left in their war on our society will be gratefully accepted…

  34. Struth

    I have to fight as well Cardimona, because I hate feeling trapped, as I have always told Mrs Struth.
    I don’t mind not going anywhere as long as I know I can.
    I don’t take too kindly to people interfering with that.
    I just said to Mrs Struth tonight, Ok, I tried to do other things, bide my time because Australians overall were shitting themselves and so I went bush around here, or just visited and had visitors but it’s not good for mental health.
    The drinking has increased, so I would be no good to anybody if I just learned to live with it, because the truth is, I would not be living at all.
    I must be honest and say that most Australians don’t deserve freedom and I am not really going to fight for them.
    Just for me, and of course my kids.
    But mostly for me.
    These people are committing crimes , many crimes against me, and I will not bend over and take it, no good for mental health.

    But how, is now the big question.
    They’ve been planning this for years, and brought it forward because of Trump.
    They have disarmed us, so how?

    You all must know now, no matter what state you are in , you will be locked down again if there is no push back.

    I just want to try everything peacefully possible first.

  35. David Brewer

    Good approach Cardi.

    One other suggestion – ask back. What I mean is, when they say

    Our company has provided very strict guidelines about the pandemic and to ensure that anything we broadcast is in accordance with the official scientific and medical research/data.

    maybe ask them if they could provide these guidelines, in a spirit of transparency, including on their radio station’s website, so that listeners know that an editorial policy is in place on this issue. Otherwise they might wonder why they never hear about the app that was vital but is now useless, the tens of thousands of deaths that we would get anyway but never did, the inevitably overloaded hospitals that were half empty for weeks, and the disappeared ideas of only needing the lockdown to flatten the curve, or of needing to arrest people going for lone walks on the beach, or sitting on their own in a park etc. etc. etc.

  36. Louis Litt

    Dr Fred Lenin- man made cc – 4 sun spots on the sun in jan- result cooler and wetter winter. Yep that’s what happening in Adelaide

  37. Hay Stockard

    The krapocracy will still be in charge. That’s all they want. If Australia becomes a dung heap they are cool with that as long as the get to crow onmtopmofmit.

  38. Rafe Champion

    The RE farce is the best chance we have ever had to explain to the punters how we are being misled (in more ways than one). The climate debate just confuses people. The RE farce can be explained with readily available information and arithmetic, plus some other straightforward things like we are an island, the sun sets every night, we have frequent and prolonged spells with next to no wind and battery storage at grid scale is a distant mirage.
    And get the children and grandchildren into windwatching! They could find it is a lot of fun, and imagine the dinner conversation when the pigtailed waif at the end of the table announces to the assembled company, that might include the CEO of a power company or a windfarmer that the wind is currently running at 2% of capacity and providing 1% of the power supply!

  39. Shy Ted

    Greta stuff Cardi but even SkyNews has bought into it, I mean, been bought into it. Pretty much all the ads on all the media are gummint ads one way or another. It’s so lucrative and there’s no money in the real day to day economy that they can’t not go along with it. Even Bolt, Credlin and Murray have creeping acceptance of the gummint line.

  40. Struth

    Greta stuff Cardi but even SkyNews has bought into it, I mean, been bought into it. Pretty much all the ads on all the media are gummint ads one way or another. It’s so lucrative and there’s no money in the real day to day economy that they can’t not go along with it. Even Bolt, Credlin and Murray have creeping acceptance of the gummint line.

    You noticed too.

    Skynews,

    Credlin to me is a traitor, and here is why.

    She has an opportunity to put her country first and party politics second, but when totalitarians take the country by force of arms and propaganda attack, she goes with “incompetence” from the rival party as her line.
    It’s all about how bad Labor Dan is regarding competence.
    And it has to be that way, because Liberals are also disregarding the constitution and so she cannot deviate away from the competency line.
    The Liberal party, her party and her husband’s party, are up to their necks in this as well, if not more so as the federal constitution overrides state constitutions and therefore Sco Mo could shut this lawlessness down immediately.
    To talk about incompetence is an insult to one’s intelligence.
    She therefore is a traitorous piece of party hack shit.

    Bolt is embarrassing to watch as when it is time to come to the logical conclusion he is not allowed to come to, he just throws up his hands and says, “I dunno what’s going on”
    Useless.
    If Brains were dynamite Paul Murray, and a few others on sky, like the bloke from Qld who sounds like a jockey, wouldn’t have enough to blow their noses.

    Alan Jones hit the nail on the head with his first two episodes, calling out the disgusting propaganda of only calling out infection rates, but then must have been told to back off, as his last two nights he has basically held the traitorous liberal party line.
    We can’t look to Skynews, or even the Insiders who all shit themselves at the start of this, and now can’t allow themselves to come to the correct conclusion without giving away the fact that the dumb bastards were had as well.

    It’s up to us.

  41. Struth

    Sorry, I meant the Outsiders.

  42. Tony

    Are the tests accurate? Not all; many test “COVID-19 positive” for all coronaviruses – even the sniffles.

    I take this to mean people with common coronaviruses will test positive to covid tests. This isn’t the case. IT was certainly a concern at the start of the pandemic. The current covid tests are pretty specific for genetic material exclusive to SARS2.

  43. Cardimona

    Struth, I’ve just written to the Outsiders.
    I’ve shown them the message from Murray and linked them back here to see the questions.
    And I’ve asked them if they’re allowed to talk about it…

  44. Tony

    Why haven’t we seen pictures of overflowing COVID-19 wards here? Because our hospitals are empty.

    Ok, splitting hairs here, if you read the news, hospitals are reasonably full with a variety of other patients right now. There are 4000 odd ventilators etc in reserve, they can be deployed to field hospitals.

  45. Tony

    Why is the death toll only 106 after six months? Because COVID-19 is just the seasonal flu. The year-to-date flu death toll is exceptionally low due to all the extra hygiene

    It’s pretty clearly not. This virus seems to attack the vascular system and cause clotting, its not just a bad respiratory condition. A bad influenza year might kill 650,000 – and we have vaccines and effective drugs. This pandemic has killed about 550,000 people in less than six months. With any luck we might get out of this under a million, lots more drug options available now… probably 4x less likely to die now than back in March, hopefully, another few months and treatments will get much better and hopefully some cheap prophylaxis will be available as well.

  46. Struth

    Dear me Tony.

    Please, step away from the MSM.
    Put the paper down, step away.
    Turn the TV off.
    Big breaths now mate, she’ll be right.

  47. Struth

    And I’ve asked them if they’re allowed to talk about it…

    I’d be surprised if you got a reply to that!
    Have you ever had a reply from any of them?

    Good on you for putting it to them though.

  48. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    management deems the current approach taken by our Government (and the scientific/medial data) to be fully supported by the overwhelming majority of the Australian public

    If these meeja numbskulls had even the remotest clue, they might connect the attitude displayed above with the fact that an ever increasing proportion of the Australian public are switching off, no longer paying for, completely ignoring, etc, the former’s hysterical bloviating and barely concealed bullshit.

    Given the recent rounds of meeja job losses across the country, these screeching z-grade imbeciles and their employers will go tits up (except of course, for the frigging ALPBC) long before there’s any opportunity for the incoming totalitarians to replace them with “party figures”.

  49. Beachcomber

    Struth at 12:58 pm

    Dear me Tony.

    Please, step away from the MSM.

    Struth, you are wasting your time with “Tony”. He is a dedicated master of misinformation. A prize dickhead.

  50. Struth and others appear to be convinced that millions of people throughout the world are half-witted victims of an MSM & government conspiracy to deceive populations into believing that the CV-19 event is catastrophic, when it is not. This is quite a stretch.

    Maybe I’ve become dizzy with the almost biblical occurrences of the last few years in my life – a drought which eclipsed anything I’ve seen, an encircling bushfire which necessitated waking regularly during the night in fear of spot fires, and most recently a cattle virus (I called it “cow covid”) which swept our valley. And these are only the “stand-outs’.

    But no – I don’t believe that COVID-19 is a massive left wing conspiracy to implement an autocratic government takeover.

    I do believe that that the virus was likely a bio-modifed bat virus from one of the Wuhan virology labs that escaped containment due to sloppy Chinese procedures. But I also think that the rapid proliferation of the pathogen has been due to the particularly high R0 of this virus – which again suggests the degree of bio-engineering & the high degree of human susceptibility.

    A significant comment, for me, was the claim by a leading virologist that, when he first saw CV-19 under a microscope, he thought “it was one of the most frightening pathogens he had ever seen”.

    And this is basically why I don’t concur with the “its only a flu” argument. Yes – the mortality rate is not great. But this is basically a numbers game. If, not like a seasonal flu, it only affects a small number of people – fine. But if it’s R0 is way out of the ball park ….it is a different game.

    To argue that the global scenario does not suggest a problem – is just cognitive dissonance.

  51. Cardimona

    Struth

    I’ve never had a response from the Outsiders, but I routinely send them tips anyway.

    Bolta, on the other hand, often replies; and quickly, too.
    The quickest to date being just over three minutes.

  52. Cardimona

    Ok, splitting hairs here, if you read the news, hospitals are reasonably full with a variety of other patients right now.

    Tony, we were told we needed to “flatten the curve” so the hospitals weren’t “swamped”.
    The hospitals have been empty of COVID-19 patients, the only type relevant to this discussion..

    The year-to-date flu death toll is exceptionally low due to all the extra hygiene

    It’s pretty clearly not.

    Tony this link is to the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners’ site, dated 05/06/2020.

    https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/physical-distancing-and-good-hand-hygiene-australi

    Physical distancing and good hand hygiene: Australian flu cases drop by more than 99%
    There were only 208 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza nationwide last month – compared to 30,567 at the same time in 2019.

    This pandemic has killed about 550,000 people in less than six months.

    Tony, it seems you might be misinformed, or perhaps malinformed; even our own bureaucrats admit that if you die “with” covid and not “of” covid, you’re going to be counted as a covid death.

    hopefully some cheap prophylaxis will be available as well

    It’s already here and has been for years.
    The greatest US President of our time has told the world about it – hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin plus zinc.
    No need for a Bill Gates compulsory vaccine at all.
    But you wouldn’t know that from watching the mainstream media.
    Why does the MSM loathe Trump?
    He’s draining the swamp where their owners live.
    This is a longish read but it does cover the whole situation – https://www.rightwirereport.com/2020/05/21/op-ed-why-the-world-hates-donald-j-trump/

  53. Cardimona

    If these meeja numbskulls had even the remotest clue, they might connect the attitude displayed above with the fact that an ever increasing proportion of the Australian public are switching off, no longer paying for, completely ignoring, etc, the former’s hysterical bloviating and barely concealed bullshit.

    Spurgeon, this particular radio station has lost two-thirds of their listeners since they went full-PC, and has had to cut their advertising rates by 75 per cent.
    A mate who used to advertise with them now refuses to, and they ring him up begging for him to come back – each time with a cheaper offer.

  54. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    this particular radio station has lost two-thirds of their listeners since they went full-PC, and has had to cut their advertising rates by 75 per cent

    LOL.

    Get woke, go broke.

  55. Cardimona

    Vicki, you sound old enough to remember “Agenda 21”.
    It’s a UN plan to bring in global-socialism to “save the world from capitalism’s destructive ways.”
    They were falling behind so they stretched the timeline for implementation and re-named it “Agenda 2030”.

    Search “UN sustainability”.
    It’s right their in their own words on their own sites.

    But then President Donald John Trump started draining their swamp – as he promised he would and as he was elected to do.
    Now they’re panicking.
    Their multi-generational dominance project if falling apart before their eyes.
    They’ve reverted to their original timeline – next year, less than six months away.

    Will you fight for the nation your generation helped build, Vicki?

  56. jupes

    A significant comment, for me, was the claim by a leading virologist that, when he first saw CV-19 under a microscope, he thought “it was one of the most frightening pathogens he had ever seen”.

    FMD

    As if he can tell by looking at it!

  57. Tony

    @ Cardimona

    Tony, it seems you might be misinformed, or perhaps malinformed; even our own bureaucrats admit that if you die “with” covid and not “of” covid, you’re going to be counted as a covid death.

    Yes, yes, one of the deputy chief health officers in Queensland said this, but let’s be honest. The people dying in this country, so far, are predominantly meeting a miserable end, hooked up to oxygen in hospital ICUs.

    If we look around the world, your assertion is not universally true. It varies from country to country, depending on how they record deaths. Russia apparently does not count those infected with SARS2 as covid deaths if they have another disease. The UK on the other hand is classifying most people dying with SARS2 as dying from . Then there is China who are suspected of potentially under reporting deaths by many tens of thousands. Of course, logically, many in-home deaths in places like the USA may well be classified as pneumonia these last few months, especially if the family does not want an autopsy etc. It may take months or years to test any tissue samples for the virus at time of death.

    Lastly, there will be people dying of covid, but not actively having the virus at time of death. If you read the clinical trials testing various drugs in severe covid patients, some treatments seems to speed viral eradication along by a few days. However, the patients may still die of ARDS or cytokine storm anyway.

  58. Tony

    @ Cardimona

    hopefully some cheap prophylaxis will be available as well

    It’s already here and has been for years.
    The greatest US President of our time has told the world about it – hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin plus zinc.

    I certainly hope this is the case, but clinical trials have been going on for a few months using these drugs as both treatment and prophylaxis. At this stage, if the data was incredibly good, it would have shown up in the interim results by now. I suspect they do work, but are very marginal benefit.

  59. I too, don’t believe it’s all a left-wing conspiracy. Why go for the conspiracy when good ‘ol incompetence will explain everything?

    The virus is akin to a bad flu. Data from all over the world is showing this. The government “leaders” were probably justified in their initial actions, but by mid April, it was clear this virus was no threat to 99.9% of us, and they should have changed course.

    But they didn’t. Why not? Were they giddy from all those stellar opinion poll rankings? Anyway, they’ve now painted themselves into a corner.

    Get out the popcorn. We now have a David vs. Goliath battle. The Davids (us), seeking truth and justice, versus Goliath (governments, WHO, mainstream media, social media).

  60. Tony

    @ Cardimona

    No need for a Bill Gates compulsory vaccine at all.

    A pretty common conspiracy theory frankly. There’s no evidence Bill Gates, or anyone of consequence in Australia is demanding a yet to be invented vaccine will be compulsory.

    Vaccines in the past have shown some interesting negative interactions in the third world. A couple of the SARS1 test vaccines had some ADE issues, so we are well aware of the various pitfalls in vaccine design. But honestly, in this country, any untested vaccine – especially the lower concentration doses being tested – are far more safe to take than almost any untested drug against most serious disease.

  61. Ha! Cardimonia! Got it in one – yes, yes, I am plenty old enough to understand the history & intent of Agenda 21. But I am rational enough (still!) to recognise when we have a current serious global threat – or just wishful thinking & outrageous behaviour on the part of Leftie Woke generation. I don’t honestly see the COVID response by world governments as part of Agenda 21 or anything like it.

    As for fighting for my nation.. I will do it in a heartbeat when, and if, I think it is necessary. What I DO think is likely .. is that western nations – including our own.. are going to be economically, socially & perhaps politically destabilised by the effects of this virus and that will have dangers of its own. I can tell you honestly, Cardimonia, that my husband and I are preparing for that possibility right now.

    Now Jupes! You are too intelligent for that comment! Of course a virologist can recognise dangerous characteristics of a pathogen under a microscope!

  62. Tony

    @Cardimona

    Tony this link is to the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners’ site, dated 05/06/2020.

    https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/physical-distancing-and-good-hand-hygiene-australi

    Physical distancing and good hand hygiene: Australian flu cases drop by more than 99%
    There were only 208 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza nationwide last month – compared to 30,567 at the same time in 2019.

    I am not sure what point you are trying to get across here. It seems that a lot communicable diseases are spreading less this year due to social isolation and hygiene. 18 million doses of the influenza vaccine have been produced this year, with that level of coverage, it will be hard for the influenza virus to spread.

  63. Cardimona

    Tony

    106 deaths in six months.
    The equivalent of less then six hours of Australia’s normal death rate.

    You can’t seriously believe that that any government in Australia is so efficient and so effective and so far ahead of the game that it successfully stepped in at precisely the right moment to save 149,894 Aussies from otherwise certain death from Chinese flu?
    If you do, I have a nice coathanger-shaped bridge to sell you – it has lovely harbour views.

    As to “conspiracies”, why do we have a word for them if they don’t exist?
    The conspirators meet each year at Davos … at our expense.
    In more ways than one.

    Tony, I see all the mainstream commentary I can handle without hurling, so there’s really no need for you to clog up Sinc’s blog with it.
    Perhaps your time would be spent more productively trawling through older posts here and learning things the MSM just won’t tell you.

  64. Rex Anger

    @ Vicki-

    We are potentially watching the demise of the CCP. Whether this is the first death rattle, mid-convulsion or something else is yet to be seen.

    In practical terms, our friends in Beijing have set about trying to piss off the entire world, seeking dominance. But if you read between the lines, since Xi stepped up, the CCP is trying to keep an ever-more ebullient and prosperous Chinese people under the thumb. And they are only barely succeeding. If their focus is not pointed outward at the rest of us, they will turn and rebel. Hard. There are more Chinese civilians than Party, Police and PLA combined.

    They have been (so far) rebuffed from India, but still push the Phillippines amd Vietnam aroumd regularly. They relentlessly attack us and other Anglophone nations (The bigger global threats to them) through cyberspace, rhetoric and the numerous paid patsies and other useful idiots with nothing more to believe in than themselves.

    I am inclined to think that a major war is about all they have left. And they cannot be certain of carrying the day against even Taiwan. Despite this, they are angling hard to induce a major Pan-Pacific war against the current backdrop of pandemic and worldwide economic/political manipulation and imperialism.

    China has some 5000+ years’ recorded history of autocratic regimes that rise up, expand aggressively, rule with an iron fist and then collapse as swiftly and violently as they came. Then a period of squabbling warlordism occurs for a time, until someone strong enough to forcibly unify the country rises up and the cycle repeats.

    The period between the Boxer Rebellion and 21 September 1949 was arguably the last period of warlordism. An Emperor occupied the Forbidden City until 1945, but he was not much more than a curiosity.

    I am not inclined to think the CCP will see out the century, but I could be wrong. I do think, however, that they are my generation’s Imperial or National Socialist Germany.

  65. Tony

    @ Cardmonia

    You can’t seriously believe that that any government in Australia is so efficient and so effective and so far ahead of the game that it successfully stepped in at precisely the right moment to save 149,894 Aussies from otherwise certain death from Chinese flu?

    They weren’t as effective as they could have been, they should have closed the borders early February, I think Jo Nova was calling for them to be closed at that time. There is of course the Ruby Princess debacle. Federal authorities were doing almost no temperature checks etc at the airports. They did do some things right (stopping flights from heavily affected countries and good testing/tracing/isolating). The government is also effectively paying many people to stay at home – giving out money is something the government is quite good at.

    With relatively few cases, large gatherings shut down (again, not hard to shut down nightclubs) and everyone outside in the warmer weather. Nearly everyone I know vastly curtailed their (private) social activities and were transitioning to WFH or staggered shifts as much as possible weeks before the stay at home orders hit. Private individuals were doing their own risk assessments and reducing the capacity for viral spread.

    On the health front, you have to remember that a large chunk of the response was in the private sector. The private hospitals pivoting almost overnight, hundreds of businesses retooling to make ventilators and PPE.

    So, all in all, it’s not that surprising the initial viral spread wasn’t that high. Or that the virus didn’t kill lots of people.

  66. Tony

    @Cardmonia

    Tony, I see all the mainstream commentary I can handle without hurling, so there’s really no need for you to clog up Sinc’s blog with it.

    In fairness Steve Kates has been linking to The Age here and Sinclair has been published in The Conversation and the ABC etc. I’m sure most Cats just scroll past my comments anyway.

    Tarring all journalists in the MSM with the same brush is utterly pointless, as it is with any other profession. Surely, many of those losing their jobs in the MSM end up working at non-MSM outlets. Besides there are several MSM outlets (Sky, Fox) that counter the FairFax papers.

    Perhaps your time would be spent more productively trawling through older posts here and learning things the MSM just won’t tell you.

    I’ve been here for many, many years… Cardmonia you haven’t really at all attempted to counter my points at all, you are just asking me to stop making them.

  67. Cardimona

    Tony, you bore me.
    Beachcomber has your measure.

    If you’ve been here many years, why don’t you already know the answers to the stupid questions you’re asking?
    I can’t be bothered trying to individually educate stubborn timewasters anymore, I have too much learning to do.
    If you like being a frightbat, go back to Jo Nova’s.
    She’s lost me with her hysteria…

    Or perhaps you can answer the twenty questions at the top of this post, without reference to the mainstream media agitprop?

  68. Struth

    106 deaths in six months.
    The equivalent of less then six hours of Australia’s normal death rate.

    And even that is “with”Cofib1984” not because of it.

    The evidence is overwhelming, there is no conspiracy theory on our part.
    At all.
    What there is here, I hate to say it, but it’s like that response you would have received from many on news of the bombing of Hiroshima……..don’t be stupid, there’s no bomb that could do that, and the yanks wouldn’t wipe out an entire city, ,like that, don’t be stupid!

    Tony you have been here for a while, and Nicki pops in from time to time but your naivety here is appalling.
    Now is not the time to be deluding yourselves to better cope.

    You have come on here belching long since debunked figures, and debunked by the people who first published them, by admitting they are false.
    Here you also admit the numbers were fudged in the UK, and the numbers have been proven and admitted to, as being false by New York and Italy.
    Basically you could put a bullet through your skull and they’d call it death by covid.
    There is so much more, the event 201 practice and organising of the propaganda by “flooding”…..their words….with “correct information” you know the type of information only the terrorist marxist led WHO can provide.
    What has happened is easily achieved, very easily, with the tentacles of the Globalist socialist UN, and with the help of unwitting lefties who have long since marched through our institutions, some aware and pushing the con, and others just holding that gullible lefty trait of putting their blind faith in government.
    And the MSM. Surely you are not going to pretend they wouldn’t be anything but over enthusiastic about doing this….. it just takes a level of evil you refuse to believe the left will lower themselves to, despite all world history pointing to the opposite
    Instead of being taken in by bullshit, what you should go and do, which I have done, and that is follow the money and follow the wording.
    Follow how much extra New York Hospitals which were empty, got for claiming a covid death.
    Read some and watch some doctors and Nurses shocked at what they were made to report by their superiors.

    And the facts are staring you in the face.
    You have a media that reports only on infections, never asks any questions and vilifies anyone who says “hang on a minute” as Nanna killers.
    Just that you are getting imprisoned in your home and your country and they are decimating and destroying the west, while allowing their left wing comrades to march in the streets in their thousands should have you asking questions, you guys seem to want to delude yourself to get through it, which if all of us did the same, will never happen.
    We will never get through this.
    So I get what you are doing but the air of condescension in your comments as if you are just too intelligent to fall for conspiracy theories is farcical some what, as there is no conspiracy theory when the key players don’t hide who they are, and as they get cocky admit they were bullshitting and are just playing with your minds.

    Here’s the only fact they understand, they have the guns in Australia, and they don’t in the USA.
    Their main opponent is DJT in da USA.

    Why does the western right wing countries and Brazil, (and remember the left think Boris Johnson is right wing) have such terrible death rates?
    Funny about that.
    The real fight continues there.
    But we in Australia, without push back will , by the end of this year, will as a nation lost our ability to think clearly and factually, and will be, as planned (brought forward because of Trump) under Global socialist control.
    You’ll need a permit and ID to go anywhere, and that is the most important thing for them, to restrict your movement and ability to congregate.
    Cash will be gone and you will be controlled by credits.
    Do you deny there hasn’t been a push to do that?

    We understand that not everyone that is enforcing this on us believes the situation is as above described, but as they have power, like Sco Mo and go along with tyrannical, liberty squashing imprisonment of healthy people, he is doing their bidding and is on their side.

    Does the MSM ever influence a politicians actions?

    You should never let the rule of law be discarded by anyone in a rule of law country.
    They have thrown our constitution down the dunny and flushed it, and we have no way to hold them to account now.
    And for how many real, verified deaths?
    They can now do this and will at any time they feel like.
    It doesn’t matter the deaths, because we will end up killing many more with this so called cure.
    You don’t beat a cold virus by crushing liberty and freedom and ruling by decree, and doing it all on infection rates as an excuse without honest people calling it out,…. so be honest with yourselves.

  69. Tony

    @Struth

    So I get what you are doing but the air of condescension in your comments

    Hand on heart, I’m not here at all to insult anyone, even indirectly. I enjoy coming here to debate the OPs post and the comments – and have my ideas criticized in return. The reverse, in this thread is not the case, a few other commenters are playing the man not the ball, so to speak.

    Here you also admit the numbers were fudged in the UK, and the numbers have been proven and admitted to, as being false by New York and Italy.

    I was saying that in some places there are over estimates and in other places there are underestimates. Likely, they balance each other out somewhat globally. I have not seen any evidence here or elsewhere the cases and deaths are corrupted on a large scale. In NY they were clearly sending sick people back into nursing homes where residents only had a few months or years to live. Similarly, a lack of PPE in the UK has lead to non-covid patients becoming covid patients due to a lack of PPE for patients and staff. Those people are really dead from a viral infection, it’s not fudged numbers, just deeply shitty management at many levels.

    I think this virus is real and deadly (to a small group of people) disaster. I think it is tempting, and perhaps comforting to point the finger at corrupt official.

    My suggestion here is that we all have some common ground here. The SARS2 virus is real and deadly to small groups of people. If you live in a dense city like Wuhan with inadequate medical care, you run a reasonable chance, maybe 2-3% of dying. If you live in a sparsely populated place like Australia, provided you can get to a hospital your chance of dying is under 1%. That chance of dying in this country goes down the more time passes.

    I think we can all agree lock downs are bad. I assume most of us here are pro-growth and that delivers long term benefits to health, liberty, wealth, education, length of live etc. I think we can all agree that our country could have been better prepared: everyone having masks and taught good hygiene, border force agents that monitor traveler temperatures. We could have also had a commitment to finishing off vaccines to diseases like SARS1.

  70. Rex Anger

    I think we can all agree lock downs are bad. I assume most of us here are pro-growth and that delivers long term benefits to health, liberty, wealth, education, length of live etc. I think we can all agree that our country could have been better prepared: everyone having masks and taught good hygiene, border force agents that monitor traveler temperatures.

    Agreed. Wholeheartedly.

    We could have also had a commitment to finishing off vaccines to diseases like SARS1

    Not so much. Coronovirus, rhinovirus and influenzavirus are so rampant and randomly nasty because of the speed at which they mutate. We have had them causing trouble as long as there have been humans to cough, dribble, snot and sneeze all over each other. Sometimes we get a nastier strain than most. Nothing changes.

    A vaccine is a nirvana for such viruses, as there is no way a single health authority or company can predict which strains will be about and what they will do. The yearly Flu vax is a best guess of what is about. And evwn then, people get the ‘flu after being poked.

    Anyone who holds up a vaccine as a desirable end state for ending the mass hysteria and stupidity pandemic we have experienced this year, is either woefully ignorant (correctable with patience and tact), or wilfully ignorant of viral reality. Those in positions of power who prescribe to the latter seek to merely prolong the whole “I am De Captain Now” schtick and exploit their power for as long as peoples’ tolerance or their money holds out. And it seems our tolerance is longer-lasting than our bank balances.

    SARS, MERS and H(X)N(Y) flus have come and gone for decades without requiring catastrophic disruptions to social order, despite their often higher death tolls. The sooner the Orange Man gets his second term and the fools responsible for all this either go quiet.out of fear or due to a midnight visitation by the appropriate (and uncompromised) civil authorities, the better for every human being on this Earth.

  71. Megan

    99.997% of Victorians will not die from WuFlu
    99.7% of us will NOT even catch it.

    And for these miniscule numbers we have traded our liberty and, clearly, our minds.

  72. John A

    Tony #3509393, posted on July 10, 2020, at 7:26 pm

    @ Cardmonia

    You can’t seriously believe that that any government in Australia is so efficient and so effective and so far ahead of the game that it successfully stepped in at precisely the right moment to save 149,894 Aussies from otherwise certain death from Chinese flu?

    With relatively few cases, large gatherings shut down (again, not hard to shut down nightclubs) and everyone outside in the warmer weather. Nearly everyone I know vastly curtailed their (private) social activities and were transitioning to WFH or staggered shifts as much as possible weeks before the stay at home orders hit. Private individuals were doing their own risk assessments and reducing the capacity for viral spread.

    On the health front, you have to remember that a large chunk of the response was in the private sector. The private hospitals pivoting almost overnight, hundreds of businesses retooling to make ventilators and PPE.

    So, all in all, it’s not that surprising the initial viral spread wasn’t that high. Or that the virus didn’t kill lots of people.

    So you are saying that the response of good quarantine, good hygiene and self-protection was already happening “spontaneously” shall we say, in the private sector.

    So the imposition of compulsory restrictions and lockdowns as a government response was not necessary?

    If so, then your argument is purely political, based on a political response which was unnecessary.

    As Sir Humphrey said, “almost all government policy is bad.” But in the PDR of Viktoriastan, we can’t even do a decent job of implementing bad policy. the result is even more panic from Diktator Dan.

  73. John A

    Well, apparent panic, as my own view is that the Premier has seized an opportunity to dominate with power and big-note himself.

  74. Struth

    So the imposition of compulsory restrictions and lockdowns as a government response was not necessary?

    Not in the slightest, and on purely practical grounds let alone the issues of freedom, Liberty and the economy.

    No one has the right, no one to ORDER healthy people from their freedom.
    The most I would have accepted is to advise people of the best response and quarantine the sick when found, and as per bloody usual, and the reason over fifties get the flu shot each year anyway, is preventative maintenance as advising them to self quarantine if they feel they want to.
    Not one person in any of the businesses closed, in any of the industries has died from this.
    Not one.
    Do we all get that entire industries have been shut down and nobody that dies from this is working age?

  75. Cardimona

    Not one person in any of the businesses closed, in any of the industries has died from this.
    Not one.

    The check-out chicks were out litmus test.
    This is a copy of a letter that got a run in several newspapers before Mudrock Press editors were told to toe the panicdemic line – and stopped printing almost all criticism of the official “truth”.

    The Editor

    Two things prove Australia’s domestic COVID-19 lockdowns were completely unnecessary – the timeline, and the check-out operators.

    The virus gained public attention in Wuhan towards the end of their Lunar New Year celebrations in late January. Up to 6 million people fled over a week or so as the Communist Party applied their lockdowns.

    Many escapees were Chinese-Australians. They flew straight back here. Some dosed up on cold and flu medications to suppress symptoms in case we were doing health checks at arrivals. We weren’t.

    The virus reached Australia in January so our hospitals should have been swamped by late February. They weren’t. Why not? COVID-19 couldn’t spread under Australia’s hot, clean conditions.

    Check-out operators were our litmus test. They handled the same groceries and breathed the same air as the Wuhan escapees. They worked straight through the pre-lockdown and lockdown periods.

    How many check-out operators got sick and died? None. If the virus had been what was claimed hundreds of retail staff would have caught it.

    Sorry, but our governments and their experts saved us from nothing. Our hot climate, clean environment, good health and default hygiene saved us from the Chinese flu.

    The net effect of government intervention was to increase our debt burden, steal our cultural celebrations (Easter, Anzac Day, Mothers day, birthdays, etc), and reduce our trust in government.

    Very few of our sitting MPs at state or federal level deserve to be re-elected due to their panic-stricken mob mentality.

    (243 words)

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