Hardening internal borders

Up until now it has been possible to make some lawyer-talk bullshit story that Australia’s internal state borders are not really closed. It has been possible to cross the border, but people have to go into quarantine and goods are able to cross the border.

But that has now changed.

Queensland will shut out Victorians entirely as the coronavirus situation worsens in that state, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced.

From midday tomorrow, visitors from Victoria will be turned around at the Queensland border, and will no longer be able to quarantine in Queensland for two weeks to gain access.

So what rights do Australians have? Very few actually and those we do have are observed in the breach. So looking at the Australian Constitution:

s. 92 On the imposition of uniform duties of customs, trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.

s. 117 A subject of the Queen, resident in any State, shall not be subject in any other State to any disability or discrimination which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other State.

Any ‘hard closure’ of internal borders and/or Victoria only ban is a violation of those two provisions of the Constitution.

But wait … there is more. Why is the ADF being deployed to police internal borders?

s.119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic violence.

It is not clear to me that the ADF are fighting off an invasion – against unarmed civilian-citizens – or suppressing domestic violence – imagined here as being widespread public violence.

Question: What mechanism is there to prevent any future Victorian government from prosecuting any ADF personnel or Queensland Police for crimes against humanity? I suspect the High Court could pull out some story whereby the Constitution doesn’t really mean what it says. They have form.

I should also point out that Scott Morrison’s story about closing the Victorian border is just silly.

In a somewhat Jesuitical distinction, Morrison said they had agreed “now is the time for Victoria to isolate itself from the rest of the country. What’s different here [is] this isn’t other states closing their borders to Victoria”.

So, the problem with the Iron Curtain was what exactly? Those misunderstood totalitarians just wanted to isolate their citizens from decadent westerners?

Up until now the Morrison government has been somewhat sensible on the internal borders – arguing that internal borders should not be closed. Deploying the ADF to assist in closing borders is very inconsistent with that position – and it violates the Constitutional rights of Australians.

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79 Responses to Hardening internal borders

  1. HT

    It is outrageous. We are turning Australians against each other.

  2. 2dogs

    You see, what we should be doing, is severing Melbourne from the commonwealth. Like
    Malaysia did to Singapore in 1965.

    That way, nobody’s constitutional rights would be violated.

    (This would be the option if the constitution were to be adhered to – removing Melbourne from Australia could be temporary – and would violate the constitution less so than what is being done).

  3. egg_

    Queensland will shut out Victorians entirely as the coronavirus situation worsens in that state, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced.

    One upmanship from State Premiers?
    What a Federation!
    Such leadership from our Prime Minister.

  4. egg_

    So what rights do Australians have?

    It appears that the elite can fly interstate unimpeded, no quarantine.
    This is a farce.

  5. thefrollickingmole

    They really, really hate the plebs they lord over dont they?

  6. Sinclair Davidson

    You see, what we should be doing, is severing Melbourne from the commonwealth. Like
    Malaysia did to Singapore in 1965.

    I do like this idea – I gave a talk at the Friedman conference many years ago suggesting that the Australian commonwealth be dissolved into its constituent components.

  7. mh

    I saw some of the Gladys presser earlier.

    She warned the people of NSW they must remain on high alert as they may have been in contact with someone from Melbourne and not realised it.

  8. Hay Stockard

    Victoria should have a border wall. Their politicians and police have a nasty disease I would hate to take holes in mainstream Australia.

  9. Roger

    Any ‘hard closure’ of internal borders and/or Victoria only ban is a violation of those two provisions of the Constitution.

    That needs to be tested.

    In Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills [1992] Justice Brennan stated that “to protect the State or its residents from injury, a law which prohibits or impedes movement of the apprehended source of injury across the border into the State may yet be valid.”

    The HC would likely judge covid-19 to be such a “source of injury” (whether that is medically/scientifically correct is another matter).

    For good or ill, that’s the trouble with constitutions: judges have to interpret them.

  10. Old School Conservative

    “We’re all in this together” has to be one of the biggest Orwellian con-jobs ever foisted on this country.
    Although it gets strong competition from “By being apart we are being together”.

  11. mh

    I’m sure one of the questions put to Gladys referred to “Mexicans”.

  12. The NSW premier is apparently drawing up a new state border north into the NSW. I don’t mind this, as it now extends the Victoristan border and the Murray (amongst other things) will now belong to Victoristan. Excellent!

  13. candy

    When it comes to health people are easily frightened and will look unkindly on outsiders who may bring risk of disease. The premiers are fostering that feeling for political purposes.

  14. egg_

    When it comes to health people are easily frightened and will look unkindly on outsiders who may bring risk of disease.

    Fear of the unknown is one of the greatest motivators – that’s how the National Cabinet got to dictate to the masses in the first place.

    Its charm is now wearing off as even the blog hand wringers are growing tiresome.

  15. Iampeter

    Looks like conservatives and Trump supporters are getting everything they ever wanted.

  16. A Lurker

    I’d suggest that few if any Australian politicians are familiar with the Australian Constitution let alone read it in its entirety.

  17. Sinclair Davidson

    Looks like conservatives and Trump supporters are getting everything they ever wanted.

    Not quite – we’re getting hard borders with the rest of Australia but not independence.

  18. Tim Neilson

    Iampeter
    #3508051, posted on July 9, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Poor old conceited stupid ignorant Iamashiteater, unable to understand the plain text of the Constitution, and the argument that the Constitution should be enforced.
    If Queensland wants to secede from the Commonwealth (and forego Commonwealth funding etc.) then it can do so and then close its borders, but until it does that the Constitution, and the rights of Australian citizens under the Constitution, should be enforced. (And I note Roger’s caution about the actual content of those rights – well, if there is a proviso that would apply here, so be it).
    Breaching the Constitution, if that’s what’s happening, is not anything that any conservative or Trump supporter has “wanted”.

  19. twostix

    This is about 50% virus and 50% politics.

    The Liberals: NSW and the feds – and QLD ALP facing an election shortly are isolating victoria politically.

    They want regime change. Andrews and his lunatic gang are a menace to the entire country and have been for nearly a decade now, his ugly bovver boy behaviour which started during March and April and is now in full blossom has started scaring the gentle australian political class.

    I can guarantee he’s a thuggish pain in the arse in every National Cabinet meeting and ASIO are screaming in the ears of the feds about the influence of our CCP friends in his state.

  20. Cynic of Ayr

    It’s all a sham.
    Are goods still allowed to come from Victoria to Queensland?
    If so, are the drivers allowed to roam freely, going about their lawful business of delivery?
    One thing you can be sure of, if the Palace Chook needs a packet of Aspirin, and it has to come from Victoria, it will.
    They are never going to get out from under this economic burden, are they? Fifteen years of uninterrupted prosperity? No.
    Now that it’s established that the only action to handle a disease is to cripple the economy. There will be no other way. If ten people die in a coupla years time from anything, it will require a similar response.
    The Lawyers for the dead’s families will demand it!

  21. mh

    Are you now or have you ever been a Melbournian?

    This question is being asked across Australia today.

  22. C.L.

    This is about 50% virus and 50% politics.

    That’s being generous.

    10/90 more like it.

  23. John A

    twostix #3508064, posted on July 9, 2020, at 11:46 am

    his ugly bovver boy behaviour which started during March and April

    Nah, it started when he and his bovver boys sat on the Treasury benches and ripped up the East-West Corridor road contract.

  24. Struth

    Do people think the thousands of trucks passing through all borders every day are self drive?

    WA hasn’t got one virus as it gets it’s thousands of Eastern states trucks in every week now for months.
    Same with QLD.

    And yes, we are all stating the bleeding obvious, and yes, covid is all just an excuse to solidify the loss of freedom as is the desire of the global socialists and the Chinese.
    To get us under armed control and to keep us separated and confused.

    We are now just stating the bleeding obvious and repeating ourselves because there is nothing we can do about it.
    What they are doing is deadly and criminal.
    It’s unconstitutional and is a straight out attack.

    Can we get a thread going with suggestions as to what can now be done, as it’s taken too long for even people on this thread to wake up from their propaganda driven hysteria?

    The only people supporting this covid crap now are radical leftists.
    So that of course includes the MSM and active traitors in our government swamps.

  25. Young Freddy

    MH, surely you would realise if someone was a Victorian, as my Dad used to say, “you can always tell a Victorian – you just can’t tell him much”.

  26. egg_

    It’s all a sham.
    Are goods still allowed to come from Victoria to Queensland?
    If so, are the drivers allowed to roam freely, going about their lawful business of delivery?

    +1

    NSW ‘Elf are “looking into” non quarantining flights from Melbourne?
    Waving them all through, just like Ruby Princess.

    Bread and circuses for the masses.

  27. egg_

    Now that it’s established that the only action to handle a disease is to cripple the economy.

    The numpties set the precedent back in March under the stewardship of dunce, SloMo.

    Like wrestling with a pig in mud.

  28. FelixKruell

    s. 92 On the imposition of uniform duties of customs, trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.

    Turns out when they drafted the constitution, they used the term ‘absolutely’ free when they really meant ‘somewhat free, subject to what the high court thinks is reasonable at any given time’. Must have been on oversight on their part.

  29. HT

    Roger
    #3508030, posted on July 9, 2020 at 11:10 am
    Any ‘hard closure’ of internal borders and/or Victoria only ban is a violation of those two provisions of the Constitution.

    That needs to be tested.

    In Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills [1992] Justice Brennan stated that “to protect the State or its residents from injury, a law which prohibits or impedes movement of the apprehended source of injury across the border into the State may yet be valid.”

    The HC would likely judge covid-19 to be such a “source of injury” (whether that is medically/scientifically correct is another matter).

    For good or ill, that’s the trouble with constitutions: judges have to interpret them.

    More to the point, the HC won’t even bother interrupting their cosy setup by looking into what is an egregious breach of the Constitution.

  30. mh

    I remember Geoff Boycott doing commentary on an Australian Test, and wicket keeper Ian Healy had apparently caught someone off the bat, who was given out. Healy ran to the umpire telling him it had hit the ground first.
    A bemused Boycott was asking “Where’s he from then? He’s not a Victorian!”

  31. notafan

    Is Queensland accepting international flights or do the hordes of Chinese ‘students’ have to wait a little longer?

  32. stackja

    Sinc – components funded by own components?

  33. Rob

    Mad people in control: Palaszczuk now ordering that Queensland truck drivers must not leave their cabins if they enter Victoria – not for any reason!

  34. Sinclair Davidson

    components funded by own components?

    🙂

  35. stackja

    Rob – Thermos for inputs and outputs.

  36. Rohan

    Notafan, no. They’re escaping back to China. Mission accomplished.

  37. Sorry VIC but you voted for Andrews and he and his Ministers messed up the quarantine big time.

    Whilst Qld and NSW used police and army to assist in quarantine VIC decided to go for dodgy security companies instead. I read today that VIC saying their Health Dept does not have enough people to conduct the tracing. Well guess what the Army were helping with in Qld !? Now suddenly VIC needs the Army after all but only to clean up the mess and not prevent it.

    The big question to me is did Andrews ask VICPOL to be involved in securing the quarantine hotels ? If not why not. Or did the Commissioner just say no anyway. Army is merely backup but they give extra manpower.

    The minutes of the meeting where it was decided to use security companies would be fascinating reading. Why have VICPOL not set up as task force to investigate the crime of fraud in relation to providing less staff than being paid for (one of the problems I have read about)

    Do we even know who was in charge on a shift in those hotels.? Somebody from Health or from a security company? What civil servants were on duty in those hotels and under whose command ?

    So VIC totally stuffs up, let’s people out of quarantine without tests, has 10,000 who refused tests, etc and suddenly the constitution becomes important. Let Victorians live with the consequences of voting for Andrews.

  38. Struth

    Mad people in control: Palaszczuk now ordering that Queensland truck drivers must not leave their cabins if they enter Victoria – not for any reason!

    Besides the insanity of this order, where she must know she’s joking telling people to shit inside their truck, she seems to forget this dictatorship thing for her ends at the QLD border.

    The dumb ….the absolute level of it must now surprise the most faithful followers of government.

  39. Struth

    n Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills [1992] Justice Brennan stated that “to protect the State or its residents from injury, a law which prohibits or impedes movement of the apprehended source of injury across the border into the State may yet be valid.”

    No dickhead, it’s not valid until a referendum is held, and people agree to it.
    Which hasn’t happened.

  40. Sinclair Davidson

    Let Victorians live with the consequences of voting for Andrews.

    Type III error. Correct statement to a completely separate issue.

  41. Struth

    So VIC totally stuffs up

    Depends who is looking at it.
    Dan is having a ball, and look what is happening.

    Victorian response?
    One fucking banner over the Nepean Highway.
    That’s it.

  42. Lee

    Let Victorians live with the consequences of voting for Andrews.

    Victorians like me and my immediate family did not, and never will vote for Andrews; doesn’t mean we have to suffer for it, just because of all the morons who did.
    The first time I ever saw and heard Andrews speak I took an instant dislike to him, which has evolved into outright loathing, if not hatred of the man.

  43. Mustapha Bunn

    Brett 3508184 … As in the most elections the percentage difference between the elected party and the losing party is actually quite small so it would nice if all the self satisfied voters outside of Victoria would stop blaming all Victorians for Andrews. A large number of us did NOT.

  44. Struth

    Separating Victorians from the rest of Australia is what some Australians do to kid themselves that the entire country isn’t going down the shit tube.
    They don’t want their bubble burst after all.

    Victorians who have had no democracy to speak of, like all of us, had Federal immigration of the scum of the earth via UN edict absolutely overwhelm them, and by scum I mean people, quite handy for socialists and a pre requisite to gaining admission, who do not know freedom, are used to corruption, and are not Christian.

    Victorians have been invaded by the troops of the UN’s global socialists, and so shall we all be.

    Dan is just kicking off stage two and it will go Australia wide.
    He cares not about us assigning blame to him.
    Whatchagunnado about ut?

  45. Sinclair Davidson

    Victorians have been invaded by the troops of the UN’s global socialists, and so shall we all be.

    Step away from the red cordial.

  46. Tezza

    All true, Sinc.

    Another take on this is that with a cordon sanitaire around Melbourne and infection rates in rural Victoria much the same as everywhere else, either:
    (i) border closures confer no extra ‘benefit’ in Covid control, or
    (ii) other sates and territories think the Andrews government and the Vic bureaucracy is incompetent and can’t be trusted to enforce the Melbourne cordon.

    In either case, there are huge costs to the constitution, to freedom and to economic life from the border closures, which are best seen as hysterical over-reactions by the States and Territories, the fiscal costs of which (JobKeeper and welfare) will be mostly passed to Canberra and spread over the whole nation’s long-suffering but ever-diminishing number of net taxpayers.

  47. Robbo

    First I want to say that this whole mess is one created by that halfwit Andrews and his moronic trio of incompetent, and arguably corrupt, Ministers. Andrews blames all Victorians for the resurgence of the Chinese virus. That is a blatant lie by a political coward.
    The second point I have is that the Premier of Queensland , the one with the unpronounceable name, is also a moron and she is doing enormous damage to the economy of her State and ruining small businesses at a rapid rate. Sadly she is too stupid to understand this and it is far too late in her life for her to gain some basic intelligence. She may well be rat cunning but she also has a lot of other characteristics that we see in that particular rodent. God knows what she will be like if Queensland gets a second wave of the Chinese virus apart from wiping the mountain of egg off her face. The woman is bonkers and should be in an institution.
    Finally, even though I am not a lawyer competent on the Australian Constitution, it appears to me that preventing Australian citizens from travelling across State borders is illegal. Has any lawyer thought of taking this matter to the High Court? The travel ban is a gross overreaction and should be challenged. Standing back silently and allowing this to occur without complaint or action could well be a signal to future governments that we are so compliant that other measures that trample on our freedoms will be easy to implement. When in any doubt, no matter how small that doubt may be, never ever trust a government. You are seriously deluded if you think that any government has your best interests at the top of their priority list.

  48. Struth

    Sinclair old chap.
    You may wish to remember that they were about to sign over the right to who decides to come to this country to the UN.
    You may also wish to see who was in charge of immigration in the UN over the time this all started and if Australia not only took it’s orders from them but went above and beyond.
    So we got after that ABCer’s Anything But Christian.
    Maybe a small amount here and there so people like you have something to argue with.
    No whites even if they are being murdered for being white as refugees.
    Pakis and Mooossies and others who’s cultures are utterly reprehensible to a westerner, and who do not assimilate.
    And who openly claim to be at war with the infidels of the west.
    We have had a massive, massive increase in numbers to fudge GDP and prop up the housing bubble, and cultural marxists that have marched through the institutions and dominate immigration bring in people who help cultural marxist goals of divide and conquer .

    I’ll put down the cordial if you’ll clean your glasses.

  49. Sinclair Davidson

    Pakis and Mooossies and others who’s cultures are utterly reprehensible to a westerner, and who do not assimilate.

    Pakis? Those people from Pakistan? A former British colony whose people know and understand the notion of Westminster democracy and the rule of law? Speak English and work hard. Can’t have immigrants like that – they might put the locals to shame.

    No whites even if they are being murdered for being white as refugees.

    Victims of crime do not qualify as refugees.

  50. Simple Simon

    Mustapha Bunn
    #3508232, posted on July 9, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    Brett 3508184 … As in the most elections the percentage difference between the elected party and the losing party is actually quite small so it would nice if all the self satisfied voters outside of Victoria would stop blaming all Victorians for Andrews. A large number of us did NOT.

    I take your wider point about a large number of Victorians not voting for the current government. That being said, however, the margin at the 2018 election was significant.
    On first preferences:
    Labor: 42.86%
    Greens: 10.71%

    Liberals: 30.43%
    Nationals: 4.77%

    On 2PP basis:
    Labor: 57.3%
    Liberal/National: 42.7%
    (Source: https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Results/State2018/Summary.html )

    In Australian terms those all are quite large margins.

  51. Struth

    No whites even if they are being murdered for being white as refugees.

    Victims of crime do not qualify as refugees.

    They are being murdered because of their race.
    That qualifies them 100 percent.
    Yes the Pakis that form raaaaaape gangs on young white girls , those ones.

    I see you are just trolling your own page Sinclair, I’ve been around here long enough to know when you are doing that.
    At least I hope you are doing that.

  52. Howard Hill

    No one voted for the hunchback in this state, that’s what they all say and yet here we are.
    The bullshit flows thick in this state.

    Victorian response?
    One fucking banner over the Nepean Highway.

    You’re just not hearing about it and no, where not going to announce it on their ABC for your delight.
    And no ones going to post it on farcebook either!

  53. Tim Neilson

    Victims of crime do not qualify as refugees.

    For all practical purposes they do if they’re non-white. In fact even if they aren’t “victims” of anything.

    There was an AAT case where the “refugee” had been rogering someone else’s missus in his home town in Iraq, and the AAT said that was enough to make him a legitimate refugee. When explaining as to why he couldn’t have just gone from his village to Baghdad or Basra the AAT said that in those places he wouldn’t have had the “support” he’d get in Australia – i.e. every squalid rooty boy in the third world who finds himself at the front of a Benny Hill chase scene is entitled to live the rest of his life at the expense of Australian taxpayers.

  54. Struth

    You’re just not hearing about it and no, where not going to announce it on their ABC for your delight.
    And no ones going to post it on farcebook either!

    Decided to have an illegal game of two up in the pool room?

  55. Iampeter

    Not quite – we’re getting hard borders with the rest of Australia but not independence.

    It’s almost like collectivist and rights-violating policies do not go together with independence.

    Pakis and Mooossies and others who’s cultures are utterly reprehensible to a westerner, and who do not assimilate.
    And who openly claim to be at war with the infidels of the west.
    We have had a massive, massive increase in numbers to fudge GDP and prop up the housing bubble, and cultural marxists that have marched through the institutions and dominate immigration bring in people who help cultural marxist goals of divide and conquer .

    Those people you deride as “Pakis and Mooossies and others who’s cultures are utterly reprehensible to a westerner” only want a religious/traditionalist lifestyle and they are also pretty nationalist too.
    What part of that do you disagree with again?

  56. Struth

    Your comments are so ludicrous Iampoyda that you are obviously considered an idiot to all who read you.
    There is no need for me to waste my time with you.

  57. Megan

    All very well kicking Victorians when they are down, but given that the Ruby Princess Death Barge is being blamed for causing 60+% of all Australian cases, I don’t think Gladys and her idiot minions should be sticking their heads above the parapet. Although I’d like the opportunity to kick them hard whilst they are busy finger pointing at everyone but their useless, lazy, unaccountable selves.

  58. Megan

    Good advice Struth. IAmAVacuousIdiot only has two non-arguments in his repetoire – one that starts with conservative and the other that ends with Trump. Cannot present anything cohesive or even vaguely sentient between the two.

    Attempting to have any kind of adult debate or sensible discussion is like trying to teach a chicken to say the Lords Prayer. Never, ever going to happen. A classic example of the Overconfidence Effect.

  59. Tim Neilson

    Those people you deride as “Pakis and Mooossies and others who’s cultures are utterly reprehensible to a westerner” only want a religious/traditionalist lifestyle and they are also pretty nationalist too.
    What part of that do you disagree with again?

    Poor old conceited stupid ignorant Iamashiteater, once again displaying his utter inability to think in any way except by cartoon like binary dogmatic absolutist labels.
    Suppose Pakistanis are Mvslim “religious” Pakistani “nationalists” – why would someone who’s an Australian nationalist or a religious Christian necessarily think that those Pakistani traits are desirable in potential immigrants to Australia? It’s like saying that in the Dreamtime match Richmond players should handball to the Essendon players because both Richmond and Essendon are football teams.

  60. gafa

    Laugh, scoff, ridicule, insult, trash Victoria now. Principles and precedents. Next time?
    Smugness may smite you!

  61. gafa

    Struth
    #3508088, posted on July 9, 2020 at 12:03 pm
    Can we get a thread going with suggestions as to what can now be done, as it’s taken too long for even people on this thread to wake up from their propaganda driven hysteria?

    Many and mostly great posters on Catallaxy, but Struth is right up there with some of the best!

  62. Docket62

    I dont live close enough to the borders to have direct knowledge of what’s happening there but I can tell you their ‘ring of steel’ set up a few clicks away is so easily bypassed it’s ridiculous and al the locals know it. Messages went out on text and social media this morning of locations…..

    As to the orders permitting this Lockdown. There is NO REASON to remain locked in your house. The orders are located here and can be downloaded. I would strongly suggest you print a copy and keep it in your car. Police have NO LAWFUL right to instruct you to do something unless you are in contravention.

    EG: If you choose to drive from Melbourne to Geelong for groceries, that is your prerogative and falls within the orders. A police officer cannot tell you to go home, because the orders DO NOT STATE WHERE you can shop, nor do they state WHO you can visit. Drop in to see a ‘sick friend’ who needs care given. It is not confrontational, it is merely asserting the rights you have and that are granted under these orders.

    There is no case for the current situation. No one other than those with co morbidities are at risk, and they are at risk from pretty much anything from (EG) the common cold or an infected toenail!. There is evidence that herd immunity has been achieved in that 99.9% of those who tested positive (assuming it was accurate) do not have any symptoms.

    The only reason the numbers being reported have gone up is because he would test a sparrow if he could (and may well have for all we know)… The TGA on their website state “The reliability of COVID-19 tests is uncertain due to the limited evidence base. Available evidence mainly comes from symptomatic patients, and their clinical role in detecting asymptomatic carriers is unclear.”

    STAND YOUR GROUND

  63. mareeS

    I like that Victoria is Australia’s resident leper colony. They always existed through the centuries It makes sense now, as they have volunteered.

  64. Professor Fred Lenin

    They should build a big wall along the borders then the white fauxberiginals BLM gang coukd vandaise it with communist messages ,could be a tourist attraction like the Berlin wall was .
    Might generate enough tax money to pay the interest on the loan that was tal]ken out to pay the interest on the other loan to pay the interest on the original loan , alpeconomica .

  65. John Smith101

    Can we get a thread going with suggestions as to what can now be done, as it’s taken too long for even people on this thread to wake up from their propaganda driven hysteria?
    Couldn’t agree more, Struth! Maybe the Doomlord could follow up on such a suggestion. The first thread could be getting a constitutional lawyer to explain the legalities behind the hard border closures, for instance. Surely some here knows somebody who could explain it to us.

  66. Catcalling Inebriate

    If Sinclair does not like the ADF on State borders, perhaps we should consider a civilian option. Maybe CFMEU? Or perhaps surplus folk from RMIT? ABC? NRMA? Happily, most of the people imprisoned in towers are freed. At last!

  67. Mustapha Bunn

    Simple Simon.. Labour, 46.8% on first preferences.As I said the majority didn’t vote for the dick head.

  68. Nighthawk the Elder

    One day the lock downs will end.

    And the retributions will be harsh.

  69. Squirrel

    Premier Plucka-Duck might need to resurrect this pair, just in case those dastardly southerners try to mount a seaborne invasion –

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMQS_Paluma

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMQS_Gayundah

    Slightly more seriously, the hyper-parochialism being stirred up by the virus might (even if only for a time) serve as a useful counter to the strong centralist trends in our federation – there will be some almighty battles to be had when fiscal realities can no longer be avoided.

  70. mareeS

    It is now 6 months since we have spent time with our son, FIFO Perth/Pilbara,,as we and his sister live in NSW. Sure,we talk every day on the phone, but we going to the West will have 2weeks in quarantine, maybe a few days with him,mand then back to more in NSW.

    We have family also caught up in this. It is the pits.

    Just decouple Victoria and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

  71. Struth

    Maree S.
    It sounds like your problems are with WA and NSW.
    How is ditching Victoria going to help you?

    Those in other states, please keep in mind you are not free at all.
    You are not free as you were in January and although Victorians might be in a worse state, don’t go thinking you are fine, as you are not.
    Don’t get used to it, or become content with your lot in life, because while they know they can lock you down, tell you how many can go the pub, that there is to be no dancing they will and have and continue to do so.
    They need to own your mind more than your body.

  72. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Because of the Victorian debacle I’m relocating to WA. The other half ‘s been there since the end of March and now it’s obvious that they’re not going to open up before September.

    I may have to change my name; perhaps Cottesloe Swimmer may work!

    While I make the little joke (as Poirot once said) none of this is funny.

    And as far as “we’re all in this together”, in becoming the “go to” slogan for everything, including Industry Super, it is now a bad joke.

    Another bad joke is the PM’s re-tooling of JFK’s famous Ich bin ein Berliner to ‘we are all Victorians’.

    While he may think that that’s the way to heal quickly the re-opened wounds of lost private enterprise, vanishing future prospects and family separations, as Gladys said yesterday ‘that doesn’t cut the mustard’.

    The fact is, we’re not all Victorians, not now not ever! But if he’d said in the Great F-up of 2020, “we’re all Australians” while that would have been true, it has been entirely forgotten.

  73. GD

    Pakis? Those people from Pakistan? A former British colony whose people know and understand the notion of Westminster democracy and the rule of law? Speak English and work hard. Can’t have immigrants like that – they might put the locals to shame

    That may have been the case in the 1950s, but is certainly not the case today, what with grooming and raping gangs in Britain.

    The Pakis I know in Australia speak perfect English, but their wives don’t.

  74. Bar Beach Swimmer

    GD @ 3:04am
    👍

  75. Iampeter

    Your comments are so ludicrous Iampoyda that you are obviously considered an idiot to all who read you.
    There is no need for me to waste my time with you.

    It’s a waste of time for you because you have no clue what you’re talking about and I make it impossible for you to pretend otherwise.

    Good advice Struth. IAmAVacuousIdiot only has two non-arguments in his repetoire – one that starts with conservative and the other that ends with Trump. Cannot present anything cohesive or even vaguely sentient between the two.

    Speaking of which…yea, I’m nowhere near as “cohesive or even vaguely sentient” as you, Megan.
    You’re so deep and are not at all a clueless leftist trying to discuss topics you know nothing about, getting triggered by someone pointing out the total incoherence of everything you post.

    Can’t wait for you next response of insults, rants and projection. Political discussions at the Cat!

  76. Docket62

    Can’t wait for you next response of insults, rants and projection. Political discussions at the Cat!

    The CAT is a discussion – not necessarily political. And for all of the flagrant abuse you hurl – here you are at 7.45am – Posting/trolling qualifying yourself as one of the very people you claim to loathe.

    I think the joke is on you

  77. Iampeter

    Um, the abuse hurling started at comment 3508318 from struth, followed by Megan and Tim Nielson, when my very simple post exposed their superficiality and talking-point-level knowledge. This triggered them as usual and they responded with typical insults.
    But I’m sure you’ve just made an honest mistake and that you’re not just another dishonest fool, engaging in projection, because you’re also triggered by the fact that you don’t have a clue.

    I’m sure you’ll take this opportunity to correct yourself and redirect you’re criticism at the posters it should’ve been directed at in the first place.
    Over to you…

  78. Docket62

    I’m sure you’ll take this opportunity to correct yourself and redirect you’re criticism at the posters it should’ve been directed at in the first place.

    Pretty confident the aim is good.

  79. Iampeter

    Pretty confident the aim is good.

    Aside from the literal fact that it isn’t, as pointed out with literal post numbers in support.
    You’re just another fool, triggered by the fact you don’t know anything, resorting to evasion and projection, because you have nothing else.
    No one is really surprised.

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