Red dots of doom

We’re living through the greatest mass hysteria in modern history and there are no men of reason to end it.

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  1. mundi

    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    The one number that neither side can lie about – is the actual number of deaths.

    The exact points on the graph above matter a lot because its logrithmic. Have a look at the deaths for 70 year old in the picture you are showing – the death rate for 70 year olds is triple the average death rate *from all causes*.

  2. Aynsley Kellow

    ‘Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.’
    Easy: Cuomo required nursing homes to accept people from hospitals without testing. He’s actually prohibited them from testing.
    And Blasio and his Health Commissioner urged people back at the beginning to keep using the subway and to attend the Chinese New Year parade.
    But it’s all Trump’s fault, of course. (The question should also be asked, for old times’ sake: What was the role of Tony Abbott in all this?)

  3. mundi

    The governments should have just paid all people over 55 to stay at home, and work with food/medical providers to get them essential services.

    This would have cost almost nothing compared to the hundreds of billions that will now be lost.

  4. NoFixedAddress

    mundi
    #3511343, posted on July 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    The one number that neither side can lie about – is the actual number of deaths.

    So where do your numbers come from mundi?

  5. NoFixedAddress

    Easy: Cuomo required nursing homes to accept people from hospitals without testing. He’s actually prohibited them from testing.

    Cuomo major donor????

  6. NoFixedAddress

    Aynsley Kellow
    #3511344, posted on July 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    The evil scientist was a caricature out of many a movie and someone massaged by the evil hollywood propaganda machine into a figure of fun.

    The reality is that Science is easily manipulated by evil psychopathic fuckers.

    Showing the data and external replicability of a hypotheses is Science.

  7. Mark A

    NoFixedAddress
    #3511368, posted on July 13, 2020 at 12:51 am

    Aynsley Kellow
    #3511344, posted on July 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    The evil scientist was a caricature out of many a movie and someone massaged by the evil hollywood propaganda machine into a figure of fun.

    The reality is that Science is easily manipulated by evil psychopathic fuckers.

    Showing the data and external replicability of a hypotheses is Science.

    The simple fact is that the evil scientist by him/herself is ineffectual.

    It always takes money and power to make those evil ideas reality.

  8. NoFixedAddress

    currencylad,

    A good find and will be interesting to have some actuarial tables for the before and whenever after may be.

    Have all life insurance policies been cancelled under ‘Force majeure’ clauses because where “All gunna Die” from an unknown.

  9. NoFixedAddress

    The simple fact is that the evil scientist by him/herself is ineffectual.

    It always takes money and power to make those evil ideas reality.

    Mark A

    Sure and that’s why they end up in Universities, Think Tanks, Government, Defense, Health Departments, wherever under patronage of whomever and get showered with money, power and awards and attract budding minds into a zombie cargo cult.

    None of it is hidden.

    “oh dear, your paper we published in ……….. is a heap of shit. no problem. we’ll make it go away and just say that your developing the models. okay?”

  10. Hay Stockard

    Yay, another pandemic I seem to have survived. SARS, Avian Flu, Swine flu and maybe some others. Others may well have done the same.
    One of the reasons for bodgie figures in the United States was that in some jurisdictions even if you were shot in the head the doctors were required to put COVID-19 on the death certificate. I wonder what party was in charge in those places and wether they thought there might be some political advantage in it for them.

  11. Mark A

    NoFixedAddress
    #3511372, posted on July 13, 2020 at 1:16 am

    Many years ago as I mentioned here before I tried to fight them from within, nearly won too.
    Until the big boys intervened.

    Looking after number one these days which means me and my family.
    No more windmills, real or allegorical to chase.

    Many here voiced their opinion saying we are truly f..d.
    Getting to believe, that they are right. For the time being anyway, but what comes around goes around or vice/versa.

  12. NoFixedAddress

    Mark A
    #3511375, posted on July 13, 2020 at 1:30 am

    NoFixedAddress
    #3511372, posted on July 13, 2020 at 1:16 am

    Many years ago as I mentioned here before I tried to fight them from within, nearly won too.
    Until the big boys intervened.

    Unfortunately I didn’t see that which you have previously mentioned.

    You’ll need to register and then give us a ‘hoy’ in a PM at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/

  13. Herodotus

    Truth telling Via the BBC !!
    Both the ABC and BBC Will use anything that makes a conservative (or CINO) government look bad compared to their preferred socialists-in-waiting. Then they’ll turn on a dime and attack the same governments for not doing enough to combat the deadly plague, not doing enough to wreck the economy ahead of the next election.

  14. Boambee John

    The data for those aged 60 and over needs to be re-plotted on a linear scale, to ensure that the detail is clear.

  15. Another Ian

    FWIW

    “No second-wave of coronavirus in Russia, head of Genomic Engineering Lab in Moscow explains why”

    https://www.sott.net/article/437770-No-second-wave-of-coronavirus-in-Russia-head-of-Genomic-Engineering-Lab-in-Moscow-explains-why

  16. duncanm

    mundi
    #3511343, posted on July 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm
    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    1200, 800 per day, etc won’t be sustained for 12 months, that’s why.

  17. cuckoo

    My local park had plastic mesh fencing up around the play area by the second day of the current lockdown. The very next day that fencing had been taken down and neatly stacked nearby. I like to think this was an act of defiance.

    And I say again, even my progressive friends are beginning to ask me – usually in a wary conspiratorial undertone – whether I know anyone who has caught the virus. The answer of course is no.

  18. flyingduk

    The governments should have just paid all people over 55 to stay at home, and work with food/medical providers to get them essential services.

    1) ‘Governments’ have no money, every $ they spend was taken from someone, somewhere.

    2) People (being adults) should have forseen this, or some other disruptive event, coming at some point in their lives and made preparations accordingly (I did). Those that didn’t should now be facing the stark reality of their poor planning, and be suffering accordingly – pour encourager les autres. Instead we are reinforcing the welfare states evergreen moral hazard: punishing those who made good decisions to rescue those that didnt.

  19. Iampeter

    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    Likely the result of an over-regulated and overloaded healthcare system.

  20. Roger

    The exact points on the graph above matter a lot because its logrithmic. Have a look at the deaths for 70 year old in the picture you are showing – the death rate for 70 year olds is triple the average death rate *from all causes*.

    Ergo old folk should take reasonable precautions while the rest get on with life.

  21. NoFixedAddress

    Iampeter
    #3511482, posted on July 13, 2020 at 9:10 am

    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    Likely the result of an over-regulated and overloaded healthcare system.

    IAP

    I am shocked and deeply disappointed with you.

    Here I’ve been, holding you as the standard bearer of moral certitude, when all the time you are just a bullshit artist.

    Can I believe in your rabid Hilary leftist evil scum beliefs ever again?

    Now either mundi is a rabid frothing at the mouth loon for saying this,

    mundi
    #3511343, posted on July 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    The one number that neither side can lie about – is the actual number of deaths.

    or you are a rabid frothing at the mouth loon if you cannot find the source of the numbers he, and you(?), are gibbering about.

  22. notafan

    Roger

    Thanks for about the only sensible comment.

  23. Tezza

    Read the BBC story and the underlying Oxford web tool closely. It is arguing that for UK adults, Covid doubles a person’s risk of dying in the next year. That is, the Covid risk is added to the risk of dying from all other causes – cancer, car crashes etc – that we already accept.

    http://covid19-phenomics.org/PrototypeOurRiskCoV.html.

    I’m not sure if Adam read it that way or not.

  24. Tony

    I think there are a couple of interesting features with this graph.

    Blue line for female, red line for male, but red dots for (I’m guessing) both genders. If the dots were separated by gender, most likely older men are much more likely to die from covid.

    The y axis is logarithmic, so that dot around age 60, is actually looks like a 3-4% chance of dying this year.

    The other interesting feature is that the red dots are far below the normal death rate at the younger age group. Why is that? Are young people diagnosed with covid more likely to literally stay in bed and avoid death by misadventure?

    The alignment between the death rates for the 90 year olds doesn’t surprise me. Lots of deaths in US nursing homes, I think the average stay in a US nursing home is five months prior to death. (I’m not downplaying those deaths, horrible, miserable way to die, probably with no family allowed to be present).

    The other points I would make here, are lots of people are going to die because they aren’t getting their kids vaccinated or going to their cancer appointments. I’m not with the whole ‘Let It Rip’ crowd; ICUs and GP offices that are crammed with covid patients will be avoided, if we run low on PPE, you can’t give people jabs or cut out tumours. At this point, we need to give some thoughts to the second order effects that are occurring here. I’m thinking along the lines of training people who have had covid to administer vaccines or even having an in-person coffee with depressed people etc

  25. Iampeter

    Here I’ve been, holding you as the standard bearer of moral certitude, when all the time you are just a bullshit artist.

    Nutters at the Cat are getting steadily more unhinged and more incomprehensible by the day.

    Can I believe in your rabid Hilary leftist evil scum beliefs ever again?

    What do you mean? You’re a Trump supporter, which means you’re more left wing than a Hillary supporter, just more confused about it.
    Anyway, I have no idea what you’re insane post was even about, so good luck, I guess.

  26. Lizzi55

    If people just stopped / refused to take the covid test, it would all go away. The test has 1% false positives. Therefore “eradication” is not possible while people continue to take the covid test.

  27. Tony

    If people just stopped / refused to take the covid test, it would all go away. The test has 1% false positives. Therefore “eradication” is not possible while people continue to take the covid test.

    Think about how we know false positives occur from a logistical POV. You test positive, your samples are re-tested, you get multiple additional tests (blood drawn etc). If you get a couple of negative tests right away, no antibodies, no abnormal bloodwork, you can reasonably assume a false positive.

  28. Tony

    @ Dirk

    The government should have declared a medical emergency which – apparently – gives it the power to do whatever it wants. It should have subsequently used these powers to lockdown every single person who called for a lockdown in public. All journalists and those on social media. A three year lockdown for *anybody* who asked for one. They would not be allowed out of their house under any circumstances and would simply have to rely on the kindness of strangers in order not to starve as the government wouldn’t give them a cent.

    Why not go one step further and put these people in a gulag? Give their property to faithful members of the party! (sarcasm obviously)

  29. bollux

    Is Richard Wilkins dead yet?

  30. egg_

    There were plenty of Melbourne Cats supporting Stage 3 lockdowns back in March.
    The second wave is a Karmic event.
    Much wailing and gnashing of teeth in hindsight.

  31. egg_

    Thanks for about the only sensible comment.

    From one of said hand wringers.

  32. egg_

    If people just stopped / refused to take the covid test, it would all go away. The test has 1% false positives. Therefore “eradication” is not possible while people continue to take the covid test.

    Unless you think you have the symptoms, why bother?
    They were testing for fever via IR thermometers in the Philippines to allow access to shopping centres, etc. during lockdown.

  33. egg_

    Think about how we know false positives occur from a logistical POV. You test positive, your samples are re-tested, you get multiple additional tests (blood drawn etc). If you get a couple of negative tests right away, no antibodies, no abnormal bloodwork, you can reasonably assume a false positive.

    $1Bn a day for 100 odd deaths in Australia.
    P1ss more of Joe Public’s money up the wall for a low morbidity fraud?

  34. Brad Ashworth

    36 deaths in Australia to mid June for Influenza…. hmmm FLM. Don’t Flu Lives Matter?

  35. Lizzi55

    If we test 30,000 victorians how many are false positives? Potentially up to several hundred.
    It depends on what test kit they use, and which lab does it. Validation is based on lab viral cultures, not tests on real people. See tga vic gov au:

    https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-testing-australia-information-health-professionals

    “COVID-19 test performance:
    COVID-19 is an emerging viral infectious disease. There is limited evidence available to assess the accuracy and clinical utility of available COVID-19 tests.”

    Another thing, people should go about their business normally, and simply ignore the illegal covid fines. This would also fix the problem.

  36. Chris M

    …money up the wall for a low morbidity fraud?

    Cheaper than what it cost us to adjust the climate! And similar with the victims of the Yeti not even an ant has died from AGW.

  37. Aynsley Kellow

    No Fixed Address at 12:37 am:
    As Governor Andrew Cuomo faced a spirited challenge in his bid to win New York’s 2018 Democratic primary, his political apparatus got a last-minute boost: a powerful healthcare industry group suddenly poured more than $1m into a Democratic committee backing his campaign.

    Less than two years after that flood of cash from the Greater New YorkHospital Association (GNYHA), Cuomo signed legislation last month quietly shielding hospital and nursing home executives from the threat of lawsuits stemming from the coronavirus outbreak. The provision, inserted into an annual budget bill by Cuomo’s aides, created one of the nation’s most explicit immunity protections for healthcare industry officials, according to legal experts.
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/gov-cuomo-is-a-hypocrite-on-life-death-and-nursing-homes-devine/

    Cuomo’s edict, incidentally:
    ‘No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.’

    Also, NY state had 11 new deaths yesterday. Just sayin’.

  38. Aynsley Kellow

    Apologies, the Cuomo donor story might have been from that journal of record, the Guardian, here:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-execs-immunity
    If you go there, just bear in mind it was started by a donation from a slave owner, and immediately take a knee.

  39. Patty Duke

    mundi
    #3511343, posted on July 12, 2020 at 11:51 pm
    Even if you believe this, you have to explain how for example New York, which averaged 400 deaths per day for the last 4 years, spiked up to 1200 deaths per day. and is still up at 800 deaths per day.

    It’s highly likely that those elderly people would have died later that year anyway from their co-morbidity.
    C-19 probably just hastened their deaths.

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