Well may we say ‘God save the Queen …’

 …because Hocking will save the Governor-General                                                                          

BACK in May, Whitlam biographer Professor Jenny Hocking was thrilled by the High Court’s decision to allow the National Archives to release the so-called “Palace Letters” between Governor-General Sir John Kerr and the Queen. She thought she was on the verge of finally proving one of the left’s most cherished conspiracy theories – namely, that the monarchy was complicit in the dismissal of the criminal Whitlam government:

Professor Hocking says it is clear the issue must have been discussed, because it was Sir John’s duty to keep the Queen informed, particularly in a circumstance where he was acting without ministerial direction…

“I think we already know that they were well aware this was something he was contemplating.

“We do know that he was in very close consultation with Buckingham Palace over that time.

“He writes in his papers how he benefited from the advice of the Queen’s private secretary on the dismissal. So there’s no doubt they were in very close contact about, at the very least, the prospect of the possibility of dismissal.”

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64 Responses to Well may we say ‘God save the Queen …’

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m amused by all this angst about the sacking of a bunch of incompetents who were illegally borrowing money from a shifty used-camel saleman.

  2. pete m

    The people are sovereign and judged this in 1975.

    The end.

  3. min

    Well if GG can sack Prime Minister who can sack a premier?

  4. stackja

    Gough was the great successor to Doc Evatt. The socialist republic was in sight. Then the Australian people voted.

  5. theleftfootkick

    Wonder what Norman Gunston thinks about all this.?

  6. stackja

    min – NSW Governor Game dismissed Jack Lang.

  7. Roger

    The repercussions would be “volcanic”, Hocking claimed yesterday, hinting that it could bring down the Australian monarchy.

    I suppose they have to pin all their hopes on Virginia Roberts Guiffre now.

  8. theleftfotkick

    Well she got a big surprise! Not the one she thought was coming. Or as some may put, she fell flat on her face.

  9. TBH

    Bahahahahaha, all this time lefties JUST KNEW that there was some evil conspiracy against Whitlam by Kerr and QEII. Turns out there wasn’t. In any case the Australian people delivered the biggest repudiation at the ballot box, as it should be.

  10. MACK

    Who paid for the High Court action?

  11. Mother Lode

    It is a cherished notion among the left that the heroic progressive Whitlam was brought down unfairly – and what glorious tomorrows might have been gifted but for the GG.

    Australia pretty much rendered their judgement soon after – people really wanted Gough gone.

    But progressives forget that fact as being unworthy of the great man.

    No facts please – we have a narrative to think about.

  12. Bob

    I can hear the brush of tumbleweeds bouncing down the road…..what’s that? Crickets chirping….

  13. dopey

    Sounds like “didn’t inform the Queen ” is the best they’ve got. “Maintain the rage” had a bit more punch.

  14. miltonf

    Just heard anal sounding off about 1975 and all that. Fuck off anal.

  15. This ‘proves’ it was the CIA.

    /sarc

  16. GerardB

    It took 45 years for a lefty-conspiracy theoretician to find out that her beloved Saint Gough of Whitlam was sacked by a lone Governor-General who at the time was jober as sudge.

    Personally, I blame the electorate for not maintaining the rage.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This always makes me laugh – in a speech in the Senate, in 1970, Senator Lionel Murphy claimed that there were over a hundred occasions in twenty years, from 1950 to 1970 where the Labor opposition had attempted to use Supply and money bills to force the Liberal Government of the day to face the voters….

  18. miltonf

    Ha ha I remember arguing with my leftie year 7 English teacher about that in 1975.

  19. Atoms for Peace

    Another fizzer for the Republican movement, but the ABC will ride this dead horse of a story until something else shiny pops along..

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m waiting for someone to remind us about how “Gough got us out of Vietnam, you know!”

  21. Old Lefty

    When the cafes reopen in Melbourne, the good Professor Hocking can join the eminent justices Ferguson and Maxwell in the Bacon Club: as in ‘would you like some bacon to go with the egg on your face?’

  22. H B Bear

    Yawn. So The Great Man was just another hopeless Liar incompetent?

  23. Lee

    I’m waiting for someone to remind us about how “Gough got us out of Vietnam, you know!”

    And “Gough ended the White Australia policy”, when it was the Menzies and Holt governments which did so.

  24. John A

    Mother Lode #3512595, posted on July 14, 2020, at 1:22 pm

    It is a cherished notion among the left that the heroic progressive Whitlam was brought down unfairly – and what glorious tomorrows might have been gifted but for the GG.

    Australia pretty much rendered their judgement soon after – people really wanted Gough gone.

    But progressives forget that fact as being unworthy of the great man.

    No facts please – we have a narrative to think about.

    What drives them totally mental is the fact that Sir John was appointed by the Whitlam government so they thought they had him “in their pocket” so to speak, or at least, on their side.

    They were simply unprepared for him to discharge the duties of the office in an exemplary manner and were consequently blind-sided by his actions.

    Hence all the subsequent republican movement and the attempt to dismantle the reserve powers concept. The progressives cannot abide the idea of any “higher authority” than the Prime Minister and the Parliament. To them, it’s “inconceivable” – to quote from that cult film Princess Bride.

  25. Scott Osmond

    So lefties wrong about something else? Must be another day ending in y. Now I’m hearing claims that because he didn’t inform the Queen that the monarchy needs to go because of transparency. As if a presidency wouldn’t have had the same outcome. Another heads I win tails you lose situation.

  26. sabena

    It’s clear Sir John Kerr was a complete misogynist.How dare he not tell the Queen beforehand!

  27. John Kerr declared our independence on November 11, 1975.

    The Queen confirmed this shortly after saying she had no power to intervene.

  28. Lee

    It’s clear Sir John Kerr was a complete misogynist.How dare he not tell the Queen beforehand!

    According to “Peter” on Michael Smith’s blog, the Queen conspired with Kerr (why would she and what possible benefit was there to her?) to bring down the Labor government, but it was done so that there wasn’t a paper trail leading back to her!
    Talk about assertion and arguing from negative evidence by the tinfoil hat brigade (needless to say, he presented zero evidence and no links to back him up).
    And leftists accuse right wingers and conservatives of conspiracy theories!

  29. Vagabond

    The ALP and particularly its left faction has a number of sacred cows but the top two positions are permanently occupied by (1) The Dismissal of Saint Gough and (2) The conservatives are plotting to get rid of Medicare. Whenever there’s any attempt to discuss or question their belief in either of those two, their bleatings infest every media outlet that will have them – and there are plenty of those.

    It’s good and not surprising to see that their conspiracy theories about royalty manipulating the dismissal are unfounded. The Whitlam government was a disgrace and it richly deserved to be sacked. In a just world Whitlam’s corpse would suffer the same fate as Oliver Cromwell’s – to be dug up, hung in chains and beheaded.

    Mediscare nearly got the liars over the line in 2016 and will continue to be a permanent feature of every federal election campaign for the forseeable future.

  30. Just get rid of Medicare, they’re going to say the right want it GONE anyway.

    Same with Gough. “Don’t desecrate our Saint!”

    No we weren’t; so now for shits and giggles we’re going to give him damnatio memoriae.

    They already think you’re Nazis, why do you give a shit what these idiots think?!

  31. Mother Lode

    I’m waiting for someone to remind us about how “Gough got us out of Vietnam, you know!”

    Didn’t he also declare that Aborigines were citizens and not plants?

    Also gave women the vote.

    And invented penicillin.

  32. Robbo

    I blame Trump for the Whitlam dismissal.

  33. Lee

    I blame Trump for the Whitlam dismissal.

    Where was he when JFK was assassinated, I’d like to know!

  34. Fat Tony

    Robbo
    #3512815, posted on July 14, 2020 at 4:25 pm
    I blame Trump for the Whitlam dismissal

    I dunno – where was Tony Abbott?

  35. Megan

    Are you sure Tony Abbott didn’t play a role in the dismissal?

  36. “Well may we say release the Palace Papers,
    Because nothing…..err there is nothing in ’em.”

  37. Tom

    In the 1960s and ’70s, the CIA was part of the pig state who lefties just knew toppled Saint
    Gough. Now the CIA’s shit doesn’t stink because it’s a key ally of lefties in trying to bring down TrumpHitler — whatever it takes.

    Hahaha. Most gullible idiots ever born.

  38. stackja

    Jimmy Carter dismissed Gough?

  39. cuckoo

    So basically this was the ‘Opening Al Capone’s safe’ of modern republican leftism?

  40. Angus Black

    Kerr turned out to be Whitlam’s Thomas Beckett.

    Would one say St Sir John or Sir St John, I wonder.

  41. Squirrel

    What with the Pell decision in the HC and now this, there’s obviously a mega-mega-cover-up-conspiracy at work.

    Even more troubling (I think that’s the word) for disappointed Lefties, is the possibility that one of the letters from the Palace was actually cautioning Kerr about the use of his reserve powers.

  42. Bones

    On reflection, was Sir John Kerr the first person in Australia to be de platformed?

    The only other persons to be so disgracefully abused as Sir John Kerr were the Vietnam vets.

    I was at uni with a few on repat scholarship in 1969. They never referred to Vietnam only that they had been overseas.

    Vale Sir John Kerr and vale the Vietnam vets.

  43. Bones

    On reflection, was Sir John Kerr the first person in Australia to be de platformed?

    The only other persons to be so disgracefully abused as Sir John Kerr were the Vietnam vets.

    I was at uni with a few on repat scholarship in 1969. They never referred to Vietnam only that they had been overseas.

    Vale Sir John Kerr and vale the Vietnam vets.

  44. Bones

    On reflection, was Sir John Kerr the first person in Australia to be de platformed?

    The only other persons to be so disgracefully abused as Sir John Kerr were the Vietnam vets.

    I was at uni with a few on repat scholarship in 1969. They never referred to Vietnam only that they had been overseas.

    Vale Sir John Kerr and vale the Vietnam vets

  45. Nob

    Forester
    #3512608, posted on July 14, 2020 at 1:50 pm
    This ‘proves’ it was the CIA.

    Yep, it’ll be all swivel to the CIA now.
    As soon as the ABC figure out how to do to without making republicanism look bad.

  46. Rex Anger

    Didn’t he also declare that Aborigines were citizens and not plants?

    Also gave women the vote.

    And invented penicillin.

    I also heard he got rid of all the snakes from Ireland…

    (And gave them plum spots in his Cabinet, unfettered access to the apparatus of the state and Treasury, and free reign to attack ASIO, the AFP and any institution they felt was cramping their style)

  47. stackja

    ‘Fred Wheeler told Whitlam on the dangers of the loans affair, Mr Whitlam’s response was, “Shut up. I’ve heard everything.” Fred Wheeler told Whitlam “I am drawing attention to facts, your ignorance of which, will bring you down.” John Farquharson Australian National University

  48. Ed Case

    ***Who paid for the High Court action?***
    What reasons did the Judges give for hearing it?
    The result was a foregone conclusion, but it allowed Labor to resurrect the Whitlam Government’s sacking.
    The real issue, that the Coalition should jump on, is that Labor have never forgiven Australians for
    rejecting them in 1975.
    Didn’t matter that they were back in the saddle 7 years later, and we atoned again by electing Rudd in 2007, they are still out for our blood over 1975.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ***Who paid for the High Court action?***

    The defendants – the Commonwealth.

  50. new guy

    Whitlam also made university education free as well as inventing the helicopter and the steam engine.

  51. Iain Russell

    Foul mouthed, stinking racist Commo spiv. EGW. And Kerr was his cur.

  52. C.L.

    Kerr wasn’t anyone’s.
    Whitlam thought Kerr was his but he completely misjudged both the man and the situation.
    Kerr came from genuine Labor roots, unlike the posh Whitlam.
    He still had a Britisher’s regard for the Monarch and, ominously, he had let his ALP membership lapse in 1955 at the time of the Split. That should have told Whitlam that Kerr was highly unlikely to accept his lawless behaviour.

  53. stackja

    Paul Barratt
    @phbarratt
    Former Secretary of Australian Departments of Defence and Primary Industries & Energy, now in Armidale at UNE RT ≠ endorsement

    Unhappy with all this.

  54. stackja

    Kerr, Sir John Robert (1914–1991)
    by Peter Edwards
    This article was published online in 2017

    On 1 April 1942 Kerr began full-time duty in the Citizen Military Forces, at the Base Supply Depot, Parkes. In July he was commissioned as an acting lieutenant and posted to the army’s research section in Melbourne. Headed by Alfred Conlon, this organisation evolved into the Directorate of Research and Civil Affairs (DORCA). Kerr’s promotion was rapid: two steps to major in 1943 and, following his transfer (November 1943) to the Australian Imperial Force, to lieutenant colonel in 1944. He was effectively Conlon’s deputy (formalised in April 1945), putting administrative flesh on the bones of the proposals of his charismatic but idiosyncratic superior and helping to dissuade him from some of his more controversial ideas.
    Contrary to many accounts, especially after 1975, DORCA was not an intelligence unit and had no association with American or other intelligence agencies. One of its principal interests was the military government of captured or occupied territories until they could be returned to orthodox civilian administration. Working in this field, Kerr became a quasi-diplomat, liaising with civilian and military officials in London and Washington. During visits to London in 1944 and 1945 he discussed the military control of the British territories in Borneo following their liberation by Australian forces in 1945. He became the Australian link with the British Directorate of Civil Affairs, seeking to alleviate Anglo-Australian tensions over Conlon’s heavy-handed management of the joint arrangements.

    Kerr resumed at the Bar in 1949, developing a successful practice in industrial and constitutional law. Having joined the Australian Labor Party (ALP) in 1948, after a meeting with Laurie Short, national secretary of the Federated Ironworkers’ Association of Australia, he acted for unionists who were challenging communist control of Australian trade unions. He also frequently represented the Australian Stevedoring Industry Board, handling waterfront issues linked to the communist-led Waterside Workers’ Federation of Australia.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Whitlam thought Kerr was his but he completely misjudged both the man and the situation.
    Kerr came from genuine Labor roots, unlike the posh Whitlam.

    Whitlam appointed Kerr because he thought Kerr would be his puppet.

    Whitlam’s father was a Commonwealth Crown solicitor, Kerr’s father was a boilermaker.

  56. Ed Case

    ***I’m amused by all this angst about the sacking of a bunch of incompetents who were illegally borrowing money from a shifty used-camel saleman.***
    Old Monkey Nuts, the Australian Press claimeed was his nickname, but Tirath Khemlani was very well connected. His name surfaced many years later in an Arms Scandal where he was a major player.
    The Press claimed he was a Paki working for Saddam, but Khemlani isn’t a Paki name and Saddam was supported by the Americans at the time [reaed CIA]
    What likely happened was that Whitlam was screwed over in some dirty deal that he didn’t enter with clean hands. Kerr and Fraser likely didn’t have clean hands either.
    Looking back, the big losers have been the Liberal Party. It’s been tarred with the brush of very dirty dealing on a large scale, and Hocking dredging this up means a fresh propaganda bombardment from the usual suspects.
    Also a desperate move by Labor to build a Myth around Whitlam.
    They can’t build a Curtin-like Myth around Hawke, he was a sleaze and there are too many skeletons, Keating isn’t a sympathetic figure, what can you say about Rudd, and Gillard will only be wheeled out as memory of her disasters fade.
    So, be prepared for a huge P.R. campaign climaxing on November 11. Will Scotty make a formal apology?
    I’m saying yes.

  57. a reader

    Ed if you believe that I’ve got a big bridge for sale in the middle of Sydney

  58. Paul T

    Very astute Tom. I hadn’t thought of that. I found it very bizarre that there was all of a sudden ongoing claims that the Queen sacked Whitlam (in fact we know she liked him), and no further mention of the CIA! But what you say makes perfect sense. In fact if the Queen had clearly taken a partisan stance, and revoked the dissolution of Parliament, cancelled the election and reinstated Whitlam, then the lefties would hail her as God incarnate!

    As it is there is a great deal of denial in all this. Kerr was, and is, unfairly smeared. The true author of this (apart from Whitlam’s own incompetence and bad Ministers) was Malcolm Fraser! He chose to block supply, and do so with questionable Senate (namely the appointment of Albert Patrick Field – and his confirmation being delayed by ALP legal action). It was Fraser who deserved the odium, and I think it did haunt him – which is why he through Kerr under the bus (to make Fraser look good), and switched to being a republican and having the gall to quote the events of 1975 to justify it! All to rehabilitate his name and “character” in the eyes of the intelligentsia! The two huge victories over Whitlam weren’t enough apparently!

    My personal take is that lefties and Labor supporters (they’re not one and the same) went after Kerr so they didn’t have think about how “Saint Gough” was overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate, and rejected despite the unorthodox lead up to the election. Think how bad the defeat would have been but for blocking supply and the dismissal! Also blaming Kerr enables them to keep up the rather curious insistence that holding a general election to resolve a political dispute is “undemocratic”!!! The last one bothered me when I was still a hard core ALP supporter. I’m afraid that lefties regard themselves as the true representatives of “the people”, and hence anything against their interests to be “undemocratic”! But what is more democratic than calling an election to resolve the deadlock?

    That said, I wish Fraser had not done this. Not only has this damaged our system of government, but it allowed a very poor PM to be painted as a “martyr”! Whitlam would not rate half so well even in the leftie estimation had his government been allowed to run its course and end in ignominious defeat.

  59. Paul T

    Ed, I went to school with a guy from Pakistan with the name O’Leary! Samina Yasmin told me that a number of Pakistani christians adopted such names! Khemlani was certainly of subcontinental origin – he appeared in interviews etc. It’s not as if he was just a name in a file!

    Whitlam certainly did get his hands dirty – falling in with Connor’s scheme to get election financing from the Iraqi Baathists (and Iraq was a Soviet ally in 1975 – Iran was America’s ally at the time). To me, this shows that Whitlam wasn’t fit to be PM! Because as with Turnbull, he was unable to learn from his mistakes. In Whitlam’s case, he was in the mess that he was largely because of Rex Connor’s failed attempts to secure loans from states like Iraq, but he then authorises the same failed borrower to get the people he couldn’t secure a loan from (due to not finding a reliable contact) to freely gift the ALP money! Only an true incompetent would do this!

  60. steve of kenmore

    Wonder what Norman Gunston thinks about all this.?
    I recall watching on TV Norman outside parliament on the day, being concerned about the closing of his show, asking the various lefties , e.g. Hawke, etc about his show and being told politely to piss off.

  61. Alex

    “And invented penicillin.” No, he invented the need for penicillin.

  62. I am almost certain that ancestors of Whitlam invented both writing and the wheel ….

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