Politicised medicine

AND AS I WAS SAYING: President Trump talks hydroxychloroquine.

President Trump during a Tuesday White House briefing discussed his belief that the drug hydroxychloroquine can be helpful in combating the coronavirus, though he noted that the debate over the drug has become a political issue.

“I can only say that from my standpoint and based on a lot of reading and a lot of knowledge about it I think it could have a very positive impact in the early stages, and I don’t think you lose anything by doing it, other than politically it doesn’t seem to be too popular,” the president said. “You know why? Because I recommend it. When I recommend something, they like to say, ‘don’t use it.’ “

The point is, of course, that there are cretins everywhere that would rather people died than use a remedy that has been suggested by the President of the United States. There really is no excuse for such fools in politics but they are everywhere. People even vote for them.

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Victorian Premier Dan Andrews says federally regulated aged-care providers are struggling to maintain staffing levels and basic standards of care. Picture: David CroslingFront page story in The Oz: Coronavirus Australia: Governments argue as elderly death toll rises with Dangerous Dan gracing the page online. Apparently, “Daniel Andrews said he would not send his mother into federal homes, prompting Scott Morrison’s Health Minister, Greg Hunt, to retaliate by declaring the deadly outbreak was a result of the state government’s bungled hotel quarantine regime.” For Dan to criticise anyone demonstrates how beyond shame and remorse this fellow is. He is great at creating wasteful building projects to employ construction workers (btw how are the tunnel and the train lines going?) but for anything to make Victoria the place to be, he is a complete waste of time.

Let me however raise the issue of Hydroxychloroquine. Apparently it really does stop Covid-1984 in its tracks and there is plenty of evidence for its effectiveness. But if the choice is dead people or demonstrating that Donald Trump might have been right about something, well that’s how it’s going to be. This from Instapundit today.

SHUT UP,’ THEY EXPLAINED: Donald Trump Jr. Suspended from Twitter For Sharing Video on Hydroxychloroquine.

UPDATE (FROM GLENN): Why is Twitter waging war on science? Hydroxychloroquine Is ‘the Key to Defeating COVID-19’, Says Yale Epidemiologist.

This is Dr Simone Gold discussing HCQ:

This is further discussion on AMERICAN DOCTORS ADDRESS COVID-19 MISINFORMATION WITH SCOTUS PRESS CONFERENCE which brings more to light.

Expertise is now becoming a very tarnished coin. Neither you nor I know the true answer to what will or will not work, but HCQ is absolutely ruled out while Victoria becomes the New York City of Australia (and I don’t mean that nicely). BTW did you see Dr Fauci at the baseball yesterday without a mask? I’ll bet he knows plenty about how dangerous CV-84 is that he never says in public.

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61 Responses to Politicised medicine

  1. stackja

    Anti Trump MSM can’t handle the truth.

  2. stackja

    Dan created this health virus pandemic.

  3. OUTRAGED

    Dan is now blaming the Feds for the nursing homes disaster. This is well supported by their ABC radio in Victoristan this morning. The nursing home environment is by ne means perfect, but what have other states done differently? NSW obviously learned how to contain COVID after their nursing home scare.

  4. My 90 year old mother is in an aged care centre in Melbourne, which has had some cases. All I can say is that management and the staff of the home are doing the absolute best that is humanly possible to avoid deaths. That means no family visits and the like. There has been one unfortunate death of a resident who was taken to hospital.

    I’ve been receiving (literally) daily emails on what’s happening, as well as phone calls on the status of my mother, what they are doing to protect residents, who and how many have been affected (residents and staff) and what families need to know and do. I cannot see anyone doing more than that.

    When I see reports of families crying because they and their children can’t see their elderly family member at some other aged care centre, I again wonder what do they actually expect. The worst in me suspects that these people are setting themselves up for a nice law suit down the track.

  5. Sean

    When in history have we stopped the spread of a highly contagious respiratory disease?

    Time to stop the blame game and build a policy to shield the frail.

  6. Roger

    For Dan to criticise anyone demonstrates how beyond shame and remorse this fellow is. He is great at creating wasteful building projects to employ construction workers…

    Union mates must be looked after if Dan is to keep his job.

    And let’s not forget Ground Zero of this debacle – giving contacts to oversee hotel quarinting to private security firms owned by Labor mates instead of asking the ADF for help as other states did. Apparently problems were reported from day one but the government did nothing.

    I have some sympathy for Victorians labouring (sic) under this corrupt and incompetent government abetted by a supine media but I do wonder if 72% of you still think Andrews is doing “fairly well” or “very well” in his handling of covid, as was repoprted at the end of June.

  7. EllenG

    Not clear whether Kates in favour of medical advice or not.

  8. Penny

    I telephoned Scott Morrison’s office to ask why prescribing the Hydroxycloroquine regime was forbidden, I was told the WHO guidelines said that it didn’t work and wasn’t safe, it was really hard to control my temper

    Several times I have posted comments on Andrew Bolts blog about Hydroxycloroquine and the post never passes the moderator

    Andrew Bolt interviewed Harvey Risch, when the interview was finished I got the impression as if hey, lets get on to another subject

    Paul Murray ranting would be better spent ranting about people getting sick and dying because of being denied Hydroxycloroquine regime that loosing all reason over masks !!!

  9. H B Bear

    Chairman Dan running out of people to blame.

    Chairman Dan’s mother probably died of shame some months ago.

  10. Lee

    I telephoned Scott Morrison’s office to ask why prescribing the Hydroxycloroquine regime was forbidden, I was told the WHO guidelines said that it didn’t work and wasn’t safe, it was really hard to control my temper

    We’re still taking advice from the discredited, pro-PRC WHO?

  11. Apparently it really does stop Covid-1984 in its tracks

    It doesn’t.

  12. min

    When an 84 yr old granny takes to making political memes what has this world come to? I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that ever day when Dictator Dan is on tv announcing latest numbers, he blames some group . Today it was workers.
    ABC made a damning Four corners about Newmarch nursing home months ago that showed how the virus was spread . Casual workers working in a number of places , apparently Dictator Dan does not watch our ABC nor does his Health Minister Mikakos , at least she was feeling sorry enough for herself yesterday to cry.
    This has been a problem for years 8 years ago when my husband was in a nursing home the epidemic was gastro which the employees were reinfecting the place . So not an unknown problem but an ignored one.
    In fact I have been warning the place I live in Retirement Apartments that it could happen here if they were not more particular about who was allowed in , carers and cleaners ,no matter where they live , work all over and I assumed that their outside family contacts could be from all over as well . Well it happened a positive test on a carer .
    Apart from his mismanagement of covid 19 , Dictator Dan has signed the BRI ( heard via leak) so more of democracy gone . Who would want to pick up the pieces if he is voted out .? But a few more Red Shirts and Stacked branches would save him.

  13. Ladyredneck

    Monty has brought all his deeply learned medical experiences to the debate here, “it doesnt” works for me! What would several doctors who actually treat people know in comparison with Dr Monty. FCS Monty give us a break. Real people are here having proper discussion about a life and death issue and you don’t even want to entertain the ideas.

  14. Tel

    For Dan to criticise anyone demonstrates how beyond shame and remorse this fellow is.

    I think at some point those type of jobs don’t allow room for anyone thoughtful or self reflective. The inevitable outcome is double-down, double-down again and that’s the only policy decision.

  15. What is happening here is that some American grifters and chancers thought they would make a killing on HCQ stocks, discovered to their horror that it didn’t work, and are now riling up the rubes to lie their way to a short term profit before they lose their shirts.

    There is no credible science saying HCQ is an effective drug against COVID-19. Too many studies have been done proving the exact opposite.

  16. Chris M

    This is an excellent compilation from a Doctor – Cat libertarian free speech website keeps blocking this link so I’ll try to chunk it, or search for Dr Meryl Nass blog.

    (OK Doesn’t work)

  17. Chris M

    Go to her blog, search for Jun 27 post “How a false HCQ narrative was created”

  18. Professor Fred Lenin

    This was all due to Andrews henchman Pakula a former union scammer , wantin to give the supervision contract worth millions to aprivate company whose employees wereunion members ,I trust the company was generous in its appreciation . Now if Victoria still had a Police Force like it used to before the communists corrupted it , this matter would attract the attention of the Serious Crime Squad ,it reeks of bribery and corruption .

  19. Leo G

    Expertise is now becoming a very tarnished coin. Neither you nor I know the true answer to what will or will not work, but HCQ is absolutely ruled out …

    Curious how once highly effective therepeutic drugs suddenly become ineffective once patent rights expire- and not just HCQ. I noticed recently that the anti-inflammatory drug nimesulide is now at the top of the shortlist for CV-19 trials.
    Nimesulide was widely used until its patent expired and the pharma industry were faced with a generic product with wide application and a production cost about half that of aspirin.
    One of the unique features of nimesulide was that it reactivates the anti-inflammatory function of the body’s natural anti-inflammatory, acute-phase responding protein (in molar terms the most abundant protein in blood).
    At present in Australia, you can administer nimesulide to your pet, but it is not approved for human use even though it’s safer than aspirin or paracetamol.

  20. the not very bright Marcus

    Dan suffers from the same affliction as every leftie I know …. no humility .

  21. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #3527660, posted on July 29, 2020 at 12:51 pm
    Apparently it really does stop Covid-1984 in its tracks

    It doesn’t.

    Thanks, m0nty, always good to get the best professional medical advice from a bloke hiding in his basement, playing fantasy football!

  22. Mark

    There is no credible science saying HCQ is an effective drug against COVID-19. Too many studies have been done proving the exact opposite.

    really?
    https://c19study.com/

  23. MACK

    The Oxford University Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine is pretty balanced:
    “The hypothesis that the 4-aminoquinolines chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine may be beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19 is a weak one, based on poor mechanistic reasoning and inconsistent results of studies in vitro, in laboratory animals, and in humans. It is likely that even if chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are effective in COVID-19, the beneficial effects will be small.”
    https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine/

    And more recently from Spain:” Postexposure therapy with HCQ did not prevent SARS-CoV-2 disease and infection in healthy individuals exposed to a PCR-positive case. Our findings do not support HCQ as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19.”
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20157651v1

  24. Rohan

    Hey Monty, like this scientific paper published in The Lancet, that was withdrawn with a grovelling apology.

    Oh that’s right, that withdrawn paper was criticial of HCQ, saying it was doing more harm than good. You know, the very same paper that the WHO used to ban it’s use for treating COVID.

  25. notafan

    Zelenko

    The first in that article named, is not a reliable study.

  26. min

    Hydroxychloroquine is a preventative measure As the zinc into aids immunity . not a cure

  27. Leo G

    There is no credible science saying HCQ is an effective drug against COVID-19.

    Absolute statements fail absolutely.

  28. Daily llama

    Uh huh. Believe me, I’m no lefty. But you bunch of cretins have lost me. Dr Stella and her ilk should move in with Trump, they’d all get along well. My 29 yo daughter almost died from endometriosis last year. According to Trump and all you morons who think he’s sane, it was because the so-called doctor says my daughter had sex with demons. No wonder he walked out of the press conference rather than answer any more questions. I’ve hardly been in a fight in my life (some of us are intelligent) but if I was there I’d have punched Trump’s lights out. Subhuman garbage.
    I’ll refrain from using the language I’d like to use. If you approve of Trump, to put it politely, I hope you all die. There’s obviously a moral screw loose inside you.
    Another thing- one of my best friends of almost 50 years, and in fact my Best Man, has resided in the US for many years. A highly intelligent electronics engineer, recognised the world over. Like me, definitely not a Democrat or associated lefty- he never has been. In fact, he hardly ever talks politics.
    But this is from him, 2 weeks ago
    “ I was optimistic about Trump when he got elected, even though I didn’t vote for him. I thought- since he was out of his depth, he’d have the sense to learn. My opinion kept getting worse. Finally I realized we have a prime example of Peter Principle, – he’s incompetent which quickly brings out insecurities. If you’ve never read “The Peter Princlple” I strongly recommend it, timeless, still used in management classes.
    Biden can’t do anywhere near as much damage as bullshit neurotic bag-of-shit Trump. I am apolitical, judge each president on his own virtues.”
    And let me repeat to all you Trump loving morons, I hope you all die. I detest you

  29. notafan

    I don’t think Trump said women get sick from demon sex.

    Got a link for that?

  30. Daily llamo from virtuous non lefty ….. to full on Leftard with acute TDS ….. Your brain is officially dead !

  31. the not very bright Marcus

    no no … Trump said … ” I am a demon in the sack “….. a subtle difference

  32. Mark M

    Fauci’s baseball pitch was off target and to the left.

  33. Daily llama

    Maybe you should watch the press conference. Oh, sorry, operating a remote control is probably beyond you

  34. Squirrel

    We’ve been told that the mortality (and presumably infection) rate for people in state run aged care homes in Victoriastan is much lower than the rate in privately run (and federally regulated and funded) homes.

    If that is true and the state run homes are not significantly more costly to run, then it might be time to ask whether regulation of aged care is an area that the federal government should vacate.

    There’d still be a need for federal financial support, but they do that for hospitals without regulating them in the way they do with aged care homes.

  35. Daily llama

    Not that any of it matters, either Biden or Trump, The West is finished, destroyed from within and then overrun by its enemies.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

  36. Chris M

    to put it politely, I hope you all die. There’s obviously a moral screw loose inside you.

    Well how about that, you well-adjusted highly moral not-at-all-malevalent non-lefty extremist individual. Taken a break from peaceful protesting eh.

  37. 2dogs

    they would make a killing on HCQ stocks

    Ridiculous. The drug is not patented. Its been around for so long that, if it was originally patented, the patent would have long expired.

    It is mostly made in India because the labour is cheap there, and it has a low price.

  38. Rex Anger

    Talk about flashing in the pan by that rabid dromedary Daily Llama.

    What a waste of a troll! A mashed-together paragraph (probably copy-pasted) of inarticulate screeching, projection, Trump Derangement Syndrome and hatespeech, closely followed by some hyper-partisan lamestream meeja links and some childish insults. Wasn’t even worth the bayonet…

    That’s the second one in the last fortnight, after the ‘Front Line’ not-actually-a-medico-you-illiterate-rightwingers Matt. And all on the Kung Flu posts.

    Does anyone else reckon it must be an election year? Or is it Full Moon again this week?

  39. calli

    And let me repeat to all you Trump loving morons, I hope you all die. I detest you

    Yikes! Get Mummy to loosen the pigtails. She’s done them too tight.

  40. Rob MW

    Let me however raise the issue of Hydroxychloroquine. Apparently it really does stop Covid-1984 in its tracks and there is plenty of evidence for its effectiveness. But if the choice is dead people or demonstrating that Donald Trump might have been right about something, well that’s how it’s going to be. This from Instapundit today.

    We have too many expert bureaucrats running the medical show in this country for anything to be given a chance to work. The very late U.S.S.R had exactly the same problem, apparently hiring a backhoe is cheaper than pressing a damn tablet.

  41. Simon Morgan

    This thing about the HCQ being dangerous has never added up for me. There are millions and millions of people using it throughout the tropics on a weekly basis – and we’re supposed to believe it’s a killer? Ridiculous nonsense.

    If I was Fauci or one of the innumerable Democrat mayors, doctors or pharmacists that was refusing to supply this drug, I’d be getting extremely worried about massive civil suits erupting all around me. They will make the Nick Sandmann claim look like pocket change.

  42. Tel

    Hydroxychloroquine is a preventative measure As the zinc into aids immunity . not a cure

    I’m fairly sure that not ending up dead counts as a win under the circumstances, given that people do get better all by themselves given the chance. Even if it only increases the chance of survival by a small amount it’s still worth a shot, and the earlier you get started the better chance you have.

    With regards a bunch of immune boosters: Zinc, Vit A, C, D, etc … you might as well get those up to reasonable levels every day. Again, none of them will “cure” you, but they all help.

  43. gary

    The experts are giving their opinions rather than providing advice based on scientific evidence. That’s why for example the advice on masks can change from masks not being effective three months ago, to now you must wear a mask in Victoria.

    Similarly for HCQ’s effectiveness. Surely after six months there should be a properly controlled study to show the effectiveness of this drug.

    The experts would have much more credibility and be more persuasive if they had solid scientific they interpreted and explained to the public as the basis of their advice, instead of just giving their opinions.

  44. Tel

    Daily llama #3527884,

    How about you tell us the single most important thing that Trump got wrong … and what you would have come up with under the circumstances? Be specific, this is important.

    Closed the borders too soon did he? Issued guidelines instead of declaration of martial law? Perhaps your very intelligent friend thinks Trump should have been insisting even more infected people got sent to old age homes … given how brilliantly this worked in New York.

  45. Mitch M.

    But if the choice is dead people or demonstrating that Donald Trump might have been right about something, well that’s how it’s going to be.

    In the USA there are currently 51 trials exploring HCQ and related treatments. That is how to demonstrate if he is right. The current problems include contradictory results, poorly designed studies, and emerging evidence for other therapies. There is evidence for many approaches but proof for none. Should the leader of a country be promoting unproven medical procedures?

  46. Ozman

    The WHO advice is that hydroxychloroquine is dangerous. Nigerian schools have been closed for four months on WHO advice. Yet hydroxychloroquine has been used there for decades. Who is pocketing what from who?

    The evidence for hydroxychloroquine used as prophylaxis or combined with zinc as a therapeutic is abundant.
    https://c19study.com

    If those grieving relatives of loved ones in Victoria who have died from COVID-19 ban together, they probably would have no difficulty bringing a class action against the Victorian government for not providing hydroxychoroquine to those who have died.

    The Lancet did not retract the fake hydroxychloroquine study they published because they knew it to be true. They knew that it was fake. The study was retracted because the credibility of the publication was at stake. They were getting too much flak from doctors who called them out for publishing fake news and becoming a political journal and publishing falsehoods.
    https://www.brighteon.com/3571f9ae-ec43-4254-8a56-1a931c250888

    WHO is doing the bidding of those to whom Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is beholden and has demonstrated that it is a corrupt organization. Mike Pompeo has been calling them out, along with China. Evidently, not so the Victorian Government, which wants to borrow from China. It is not too much of a stretch to add 1 (China is communist) + 1 (Andrews is a comrade) = 2 (communist comrades working together to undermine the Commonwealth of Australia).

  47. wal1957

    Daily llama…

    And let me repeat to all you Trump loving morons, I hope you all die. I detest you

    And yet you say you aren’t a “lefty”? Where does all that hate come from then?

    I have some mates who are rusted on Labor voters. They hate the Libs with a passion. I don’t wish any harm to them. We have a difference of opinion. We all agree that we aren’t going to change anybodys views and carry on with life.
    You sir are just a disgusting human being. I hope you have a very pleasant evening locked away in your safe space where the ‘orange man’ can’t get you.

  48. Rob MW

    Should the leader of a country be promoting unproven medical procedures?

    I suppose that using this particular medical procedure for over 50 + years to check for safety is not long enough, of course dead people can’t respond to the chance, slim or otherwise, to give it a go. Dead is fucking dead sunshine. The answer to your question; YES. Leaders are supposed to lead and if he is right well FMD and if he is wrong there’s no harm no foul because guess what, there is nothing fucking else except rubbing alcohol and stupid bits of linen stuck in your mouth.

    Did you hear the one where U.S Presidents promoted hiding under desks during a nuclear attack ? Science eh !! but worth a shot no matter its stupidity.

  49. GD

    It is mostly made in India because the labour is cheap there, and it has a low price.

    Indian slum contained a possible COVID-19 disaster with hydroxychloroquine.

  50. notafan

    Indian slum

    But if covid19 is only life threatening for the elderly and compromised what does an ‘indian slum’ really prove?

  51. Mitch M.

    Rob MW
    #3528373, posted on July 29, 2020 at 10:40 pm
    Should the leader of a country be promoting unproven medical procedures?

    I suppose that using this particular medical procedure for over 50 + years to check for safety is not long enough, of course dead people can’t respond to the chance, slim or otherwise, to give it a go. Dead is fucking dead sunshine. The answer to your question; YES. Leaders are supposed to lead and if he is right well FMD and if he is wrong there’s no harm no foul because guess what, there is nothing fucking else except rubbing alcohol and stupid bits of linen stuck in your mouth.

    Did you hear the one where U.S Presidents promoted hiding under desks during a nuclear attack ? Science eh !! but worth a shot no matter its stupidity.

    It has not been proven for COVID. Trump politized COVID and Kates is complaining about that. You avoided the question and went on a rant.

  52. Mark

    Daily llama #3527884

    spittle flying, eyes bulging, hands shaking, red faced, incoherent, irrational shouting and making threats.

    It’s universal is TDS. Ask any of them which policies of Trumps they disagree with, or what particular lies he’s made and you get more of the above.

    You’re a balanced individual mate.

  53. Tel

    Trump politized COVID and Kates is complaining about that.

    What action did Trump do that politized COVID?

  54. wal1957

    Tel @ 8:49

    What action did Trump do that politized COVID?

    All Trump has to do is talk about it. The trump haters oppose anything Trump endorses, does, or opines about.
    Anything Trump says is twisted to suit the narrative.
    As I have said before, Trump could create a vaccine for this virus AND those with TDS would still find something to criticise him on.
    Meanwhile those ‘peaceful’ demonstrations continue in the USA and Jerry Nadler reckons it is all a beatup !

  55. dover_beach

    What action did Trump do that politized COVID?

    As soon as we were considering the pandemic potential of COVID it was ‘politicized’. This was unavoidable.

  56. Rob MW

    It has not been proven for COVID. Trump politized COVID and Kates is complaining about that. You avoided the question and went on a rant.

    Rob MW
    #3528373, posted on July 29, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    The answer to your question; YES. Leaders are supposed to lead and if he is right well FMD and if he is wrong there’s no harm no foul because guess what, there is nothing fucking else except rubbing alcohol and stupid bits of linen stuck in your mouth.

    Learn to read dipstick. Explain why tens of thousands of front line doctors using the combination drugs are all wrong amigo ? Were the early experimental combination drugs given to HIV patients approved or even trialed before being prescribed ?

    I suppose that’s the difference between being a manufactured minority victim and a normalized white boomer.

    Anything else ?

  57. Lutz

    Dr Simone Gold video has been cancelled. Is there another source?

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