Murder incorporated health care division

It’s not as if this HCQ stuff will harm you other than in very exceptional situations. It’s that if you are old and falling apart, the CV-1984 is likely to kill you. And it’s also not as if there are not plenty of doctors who actually believe HCQ will prevent you from dying and that it will even cure you. Here’s the short version: Hydroxychloroquine Lowers COVID-19 Death Rate, US Study Finds

And this is the very long version but at least give it a start. Hear him say, “we are letting patients perish unnecessarily.”

Andrews is the most vile premier this state has ever had. We have had incompetence before, also immense waste and hideous policy formation. But if he is really forbidding the use of HCQ on people who will otherwise die, this man is actually evil.

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42 Responses to Murder incorporated health care division

  1. 2dogs

    HCL will definitely kill you. HCQ, on the other hand, …

  2. stevem

    I think the if I got this virus, I’d be telling my doctor I was planning a trip to the tropics and asking for a antimalarial.

  3. Chairman Mao, err Dan, has now declared masks as mandatory throughout Victoristan from midnight on Sunday. Looking forward to Christmas 2030 when all of this may have blown over.

  4. Ladyredneck

    Thank you Steve, you are right. As every day goes by in Victoria, this despot proves himself more and more evil. This level of malice cannot be attributed just to incompetence. His rhetoric in todays announcement was astounding. It is still the fault of us deplorable plebs, the great unwashed. We must not hug our grannies, we must shroud our children. And the denial of proper care for those who this is supposedly all about proves the lie that has been there right from the beginning.

  5. Penny

    Steve it’s HCQ, Zinc and azithromycin
    I have emailed and telephoned the offices of Scott Morrison, Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian, they all state that the WHO guidelines state that HCQ is unsafe and ineffective!!
    They appear to be unaware that this advice is based on discredited and withdrawn Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine studies
    Many lives and economies could have been saved if this regime had been used
    Are these politicians so gutless (and anti Trump) that they would rather people die than let this regime be used

  6. sfw

    I live in rural Vic, I’m sick of this, all of it. Now the power mad tool wants me to wear a mask all the time. How do we get rid of this hopeless, incompetent tool? It’s really getting to my relatives, don’t know how those locked up indefinetly in Melb are going. I’m sure there will be a huge spike in mental illness and suicides the longer he stays in power.

    If only we lived in a two party (or more) state.

  7. Ladyredneck

    Penny, I admire your persistance in the face of bureaucratic stalling. These people cant be as incompetent and clueless as they are making themselves appear. I am loath to think that conspiracy theories can be correct, but as time crawls on, they look more and more like the more sensible explanation.

  8. Ladyredneck

    Like you sfw, Im in rural Vic, where there are two cases in our shire. I am boiling angry today. And particularly at our parlimentary reps, who meekly toe the commies line. Where are the Libs calling for Parliment to be recalled and a no confidence motion?

  9. Ladyredneck

    And on the mental health aspect, in the last fortnight there has been one suicide at our nearby suicide venue, and one relation of a local committed to hospital care because he became psychotic. This will only get worse

  10. min

    I could not open Research article and I wanted to look at data and methodologyb . Also how did they control for variables ?

  11. I live in rural Vic, I’m sick of this, all of it.

    Same here and while we were mostly immune to this idiocy, Chairman Dan and his acolytes must have decided what’s good for Melbourne is good for everyone else, even if they are unlikely to be affected in the least.

    One wonders what the next phase will be when Chairman Dan is told that nothing has changed following his most excellent instructions.

  12. Terry

    Are these politicians so gutless (and anti Trump) that they would rather people die than let this regime be used[?]
    Yes

  13. Crazyoldranga

    I learned today that all truck drivers going into NSW from Victoria have to prove to the SS that they have been tested for Covid 19. No actual word if after the test they have to self isolate until a result is given. My boss seems to think just having a confirmation of testing is required, which kind of defeats the whole point. I have told him that I will not be tested and am now confined to local and intra state deliveries.

    So long Commonwealth of Australia. We had a good 119 years.

  14. Infidel Tiger King

    Tom Hanks and his wife both said they were treated with HCQ in Queensland.

    They recovered very quickly.

  15. Judith Sloan

    Andrews has nothing to do with the use of HCQ. You can relax, Steve.

  16. John A

    Ladyredneck #3528900, posted on July 30, 2020, at 1:47 pm

    Like you sfw, I’m in rural Vic, where there are two cases in our shire. I am boiling angry today. And particularly at our parliamentary reps, who meekly toe the commies’ line. Where are the Libs calling for Parliament to be recalled and a no-confidence motion?

    Sorry to have to inform you, Lady RN, the fixed four-year term of the so-called Parliament of the PDR of Viktoriastan means that in the first three years the government is safe – no such no-confidence vote is actually allowed. We have to wait for the third anniversary of the election to do that.

    Sadly, though, your main point holds true – we seem to lack an Opposition worthy of the name.

    I have just written to my local MLA, one of my MLCs and my Federal MHR to urge the use of HCQ pronto.

    This is the gist of what I said:

    I wish to take up a point you made in your email to the effect that we are still awaiting a cure or vaccine: “This isn’t over. And until there is a vaccine or a drug or a cure, there is no such thing as “normal”.” .
    I would like to point out that there is no vaccine for any of the earlier corona viruses whether SARS 1, H1N1 or “swine flu”. None of those resulted in the kind of policy actions we have seen this year.

    However, I refer you to this link (https://youtu.be/uYkIK6-TNok) where a doctor on the front lines of the battle in the USA has been successfully treating her patients and consistently seeing them recover with the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) either alone, or combined with antibiotics and zinc.

    I therefore request, in the light of the latest news, that as a matter of urgency you press the Premier and the National Cabinet to direct the Therapeutic Goods Administration to authorise HCQ for use in treating Covid-19 and similar viral outbreaks.

  17. Robber Baron

    When people are angry with the government, it usually means that it’s the end for them.

  18. John A

    Judith Sloan #3528981, posted on July 30, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    Andrews has nothing to do with the use of HCQ. You can relax, Steve.

    Another Ian #3528988, posted on July 30, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    “Anyone know why this order is in place?”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/07/anyone-know-why-this-order-is-in-place.html

    Judith, if what you say is correct, then Ian has a very good question (as Sir Humphrey might have declared through gritted teeth).

  19. Gerry

    Can some journalist find out what medicines are being used, for different contexts, for COVID ? I can’t find anything about what is being used in Australia.

  20. Tony

    @Gerry

    Can some journalist find out what medicines are being used, for different contexts, for COVID ? I can’t find anything about what is being used in Australia.

    There is a downloadable doc/pdf for covid-19 treatments here.

  21. Ladyredneck

    Is Judith the real Judith Sloan? The Victorian Govt gazetted on 29th April the restricted use of HCQ. Check this link https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/drugs-and-poisons/safescript“>

  22. mareeS

    We live in regional NSW, have a walk and a swim every day, catch up with friends, no masks, no virus. We are OK.

  23. Ladyredneck

    Well, upon further investigation I have read the advice for prescribers and this is the quote
    “This Order implements a decision made by the Commonwealth Secretary for Health and published in the Poisons Standard to place controls on the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine. The decision was made to prevent a potential shortage of hydroxychloroquine for recognised treatments resulting from heightened interest and over-prescribing of this medicine during the COVID-19 pandemic. In addition, to facilitate the decision, the Commonwealth Department of Health adjusted the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) listing for hydroxychloroquine from 1 May 2020.”

    So Judith is correct. However Despot Dan has implemented this particular piece of crazy evil. And I thought Cloive P had saved us all with 30mill doses of this rare stuff.

  24. Ozman

    Ladyredneck
    #3529128, posted on July 30, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    General practitioners and other registered medical practitioners can continue to
    prescribe HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE to patients to treat for a registered indication
    where HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE was prescribed prior
    to the date of effect of the
    Order. Wednesday 29 April 2020

    In other words, no HQC will be available for you until it is too late.

  25. EllenG

    USFDA says the dug causes heart problems and has little effect on virus. I’m wondering why Kates wants to talk over actual specialists.

  26. Leo G

    min posted at 1:51 pm

    I could not open Research article and I wanted to look at data and methodologyb . Also how did they control for variables ?

    Open access to article:
    “Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19, S. Arshad et al. / International Journal of Infectious Diseases 97 (2020) 396–403
    Is available at
    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
    And in PDF format at:
    https://www.ijidonline.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1201-9712%2820%2930534-8

  27. Leo G

    min posted at 1:51 pm

    I could not open Research article and I wanted to look at data and methodology . Also how did they control for variables ?

    Try the redirect from https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijid.2020.06.099

  28. Roger

    In other words, no HQC will be available for you until it is too late.

    Physicians have access to it in hospitals for covid-19 cases.

    The Commonwealth order, from which the Victorian order derives, is designed to preserve existing supplies for such usage.

  29. Leo G

    In other words, no HQC will be available for you until it is too late.

    My father was prescribed the drug starting in the 1990s to prevent nocturnal leg cramps and used it for more than a decade, with no detected side-effects. His GP and cardiologist were aware of the heart attack he suffered in the late 1970s and regularly checked his heart health.
    Moreover, he was administered a synthetic quinine (quinacrine aka Atabrine) between 1943 and 1946 while he served in Dutch New Guinea, Bougainville and Nauru with the AIF. It wasn’t very effective in protecting from malaria, however- he contracted the disease while in Nauru.

  30. faceache

    Boris wasn’t taking HCQ. Donald takes HCQ. I drink lots of Tonic water and Bitter lemon, both with quinine.
    Boris got the Covid. Donald and I haven’t. QED You know I make sense.

  31. Ladyredneck

    Roger, do you know that for a fact? If that is the case, on behalf of my elderly relations, I would be much more comfortable about their chances of surviving a bout. I only question because the gazette does not give my any confidence that HQC is being used with any regularity in Australia, especially given the responses that Penny has had from the Health minister and Prime ministers office.

  32. Chrism

    not wishing to offer any advice
    one of the several published NEJM studies, which appears to be significantly better than others suggests you would be much better off with the actual antiviral
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014 shows in a randomised study no benefit
    “A total of 667 patients underwent randomization; 504 patients had confirmed Covid-19 and were included in the modified intention-to-treat analysis. As compared with standard care, the proportional odds of having a higher score on the seven-point ordinal scale at 15 days was not affected by either hydroxychloroquine alone (odds ratio, 1.21; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.69 to 2.11; P=1.00) or hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin (odds ratio, 0.99; 95% CI, 0.57 to 1.73; P=1.00). Prolongation of the corrected QT interval and elevation of liver-enzyme levels were more frequent in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, than in those who were not receiving either agent.
    CONCLUSIONS
    Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care.”

    you might be better off with ivermectin who knows what Off the shelf current other Rx might be useful, but HCO looks not helpful

  33. Chris M

    Chrism (not me) in that study they waited too long, gave double the recommended dose and did not include zinc. It is only effective when administered early to prevent the virus multiplying, that is why the like of ER doctors and some hospital infectious disease physicians will claim it doesn’t work – they see only the late stage cases.

  34. Leo G

    “Anyone know why this order is in place?”

    It rather looks like some major health authorities have compelling reason to prevent proper investigation of the efficacy of certain drugs in the treatment of ARDS.
    One possible motive is suggested by the fact that COVID is only a recent cause of the syndrome and that historically the major cause of ARDS in adult populations has been influenza A. The virus infection itself can cause pneumonia and ARDS or it can cause bacterial sepsis which in turn causes ARDS.
    If a drug such as HCQ can significantly reduce mortailty in COVID caused ARS cases, then likely it could also have been reducing mortality in influenza-caused ARDS over the past 75 years.
    Who knows how many millions of influenza deaths could have been averted?

  35. LBLoveday

    Maybe Andrews is seeking to fulfill Bill Hayden’s warning:
    .
    Bill Hayden, addressing the Royal Australian College of Physicians on the Gold Coast in 1995: “there is a point when the succeeding generations deserve to be disencumbered – to coin a clumsy word – of some unproductive burdens”

  36. Fred Furkenburger

    The TGA put this out on the 24th of March. So it’s not just Andrews who is vile. He is just taking orders from his masters like the TGA are:

    https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/new-restrictions-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19

  37. mareeS

    We have taken HCQ for years during various work stints in PNG and the Pacific, no ill-effects, no malaria, We still have some packs in the medicine cabinet on our boat, just in case, but having had our flu and pneumonia shots in April we are remarkably healthy in regional NSW.

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