The vultures are coming home to roost

Jack the Insider has a great rant today about some very silly people. Refusing to wear masks in public, provoking the police, buying crystals to ward off 5G radiation …

Jack asks the question:

The question that has been gnawing at me is, why are many people in our communities behaving so badly during a pandemic which directly or indirectly puts these people at risk?

Well Jack, the immediate reason is that people are bored and the devil makes work for idle hands. People are also jacked off, if you’ll forgive the pun.

But there is a deeper problem.

I actually laughed out loud when I read:

There is no sense of community, no looking after others.

Like, no shit Sherlock.

No sense of community? What? Not in the most left-wing state of Australia under the most left-wing government in Australia? After decades of lefties telling us that we’re all racists, and bigots, and there are haves and have-nots, and insiders and outsiders, and rich and poor, there is no such thing as a uniquely Australian culture, and definitely no such thing as western civilisation, and whatever other bullshit story they are capable of pulling out of their backsides,  what do you really expect?

Jack – I left my sense of community at the Tax Office.

Then there is this:

Take a look at these people and there is nothing there. No grounding in history, no sense of intellectual curiosity, a fluid set of beliefs and credos based on a quick search for easy answers that begin and end with scanning Facebook and YouTube entries from other fools or jumping in the deep end of 8Chan for the crazy brave.

If an individual has no idea of how we got to where we are today, and how the world actually works then almost anything becomes possible.

Yep – that is a problem. After a generation of lefties destroying the schooling system, all of a sudden people don’t know history? People have no intellectual curiosity? How did that happen?

So Daniel Andrews: the world that you wanted, the world that you helped create, is here. How is it working for you? These people protesting against your government, how are they any different from the protests you participated in against government you don’t like?

To be fair – Jack the Insider is a smart guy. He knows the answers to the questions he raises. The decline in civic capital in our society is a problem. I don’t know how to fix it, perhaps it can’t be fixed. But it turns out that all those bourgeois values that the left so despise actually had value.

In the meantime, keep safe, mask up if you live in Victoria, don’t go to work if you are feeling sick, crystals you buy on the internet will not keep you safe from anything (especially scammers), and taxation is theft.

Update I: ChrisM asks in comments, “Why are they silly? They are following the governments and health officials guidelines from just a couple of months ago.”

COVID-19 is associated with high levels of radical uncertainty. The problem is that we don’t know much about the virus and how it works. This will change over time, and as such we can expect official guidelines to change over time too.

Update II: Lee in comments points out that Dan Andrews has done himself a lot of reputational damage.

Yes. I agree. No matter what else you think of him, Dan Andrews had been able to project the image of being a competent technocrat. At the state government level that is a good thing. He speaks well and brings gravitas to the role. But this second outbreak has trashed that image. Now people can quibble – maybe he wasn’t a competent technocrat, etc. etc. etc. Just as location is everything in property, image is everything in politics – until it isn’t.

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123 Responses to The vultures are coming home to roost

  1. Chris M

    some very silly people. Refusing to wear masks in public

    Why are they silly? They are following the governments and health officials guidelines from just a couple of months ago.

    no sense of intellectual curiosity

    That would be journalists like Jack. NPC’s. The mask and lockdown protestors on the other hand are are the curious and investigative ones here.

  2. mh

    the devil makes work for idle hands. People are also jacked off,

    Yep.

  3. Rohan

    I don’t know how to fix it.

    Private sector tax strike. They’ll come around very quickly when the government payroll coffers run dry.

  4. stackja

    Masks help protect the vulnerable.
    NSW education lost it with the HSC.
    Victoria lost it electing ALP.

  5. Roger

    There is no sense of community, no looking after others.

    Isn’t that the government’s job?

  6. Chris M

    There is no sense of community, no looking after others.
    Isn’t that the government’s job?

    Yes, Jack needs to join a church. Except they are effectively banned in VIC. And ‘Social’ media turned out to be anti-social.

  7. Robber Baron

    The solution to this pandemic of Marxism is to deny the government money. #TaxStrike

  8. Lee

    Dictator Dan did enormous damage to his credibility (not that I thought he had any to start with) when he at first was very blithe about the BLM protest going ahead in Melbourne a couple of months ago, then when there was a backlash against his condoning it, he later back-pedaled a bit with: “I prefer if people wouldn’t go.”
    In other words, BLM protesters had a choice to do what they wanted with no penalty, but the rest of Victoria had no options, and had to obey Andrew’s edict, or suffer the full weight of the law.
    Little wonder if some or many Victorians lost any respect for him and his legally enforced restrictions after that.

  9. incoherent rambler

    There is no sense of community, no looking after others.

    Following in the footsteps of our political leaders who are only in it for themselves.

  10. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Jack the Insider is a smart guy

    No, he is not. He is a vainglorious wrong about everything low rent drongo, who’s about as authentic as a three dollar bill, with zero principles and beliefs of his own, apart from those he’s sponged from his smugnorant confreres and the morons at the inner city dinner parties he’s so desperate to attend (along no doubt with the odd Bahnisch vegan BBQ).

    For my sins I used to read his columns when I had my Oz subscription and 97% of them were pure unadulterated boring non-joke laden garbage that positively oozed smug. Unsurprisingly, he moderated the comments on his columns (like that other z-grade j’ismist douchebag von Wrongsolen), so precious was he about the little people daring to challenge his predictable blinkered and irredeemably idiotic beliefs – after all, he’s an “insider” you vile peons and don’t you dare forget it!

    Yes, I appreciate he’s been very ill, but quite frankly I couldn’t give a shit. I’ll spare my sympathy for those who I like and respect and who’ve actually managed to contribute something to the betterment of humanity during their lives. The individual above has not.

  11. Jock

    Totally agree.

    Love the very last bit, Taxation is theft. (surprised google havent pulled that as fake news but then they agree). I went through Uni in the mid 70s Economics/Accounting. I recall my Tax lecturer regaling us with a book written by an old shyster, He refered to the Commissioner as the “Fiscal Fiend”. Can anyone remember his name?

  12. Mater

    COVID-19 is associated with high levels of radical uncertainty. The problem is that we don’t know much about the virus and how it works. This will change over time, and as such we can expect official guidelines to change over time too.

    Fair point, Sinc. However, they were damned sure they wouldn’t work (or would even make things worse) at the time.
    Perhaps a more ‘open’ approach (when uncertain) would have left more room to move.
    They spoke with certainty then. They speak with certainty now. Fool me once, shame on you, etc.

  13. Some History

    Impressive, Sinc.

  14. will

    The decline in civic capital in our society is a problem.

    There was a movie in the late 1970s, Frontline or such, that portrayed Australia as a sea of happy productive mateship and warmth. Until, that is, the evil Americans with their ruthless greedy pursuit of money and glory totally destroyed it. The culture was now ugly and competitive, and Australia lost something unique.

    Makes a nice story, but that was all it was. I doubt there was ever much civic capital. I am sure that there was never an andipodean utopia. Like all humans, we are ugly and brawling and selfish, with occasional compassion winning through.

    It was Keating who said to back the horse named self-interest, it was sure to win.

  15. Sean

    Remember the ABC host saying Gigi was heartless for pointing out lockdowns also result in deaths:
    .

    Virus-linked-hunger-tied-to-10000-child-deaths-each-month

    It’s not Dan’s fault what is happening in Vic as it was only a matter of time. It’s all politics to pretend we can control a highly contagious respiratory disease and function as a society, to satisfy NIMBY Karens.

    At least with the Morbid Realism of the swedes you stop the finger pointing and focus on solutions. All we seem to care about in Aus is who we can pin the deaths on

  16. Crossie

    Update I: ChrisM asks in comments, “Why are they silly? They are following the governments and health officials guidelines from just a couple of months ago.”

    COVID-19 is associated with high levels of radical uncertainty. The problem is that we don’t know much about the virus and how it works. This will change over time, and as such we can expect official guidelines to change over time too.

    This will not change until the medical fraternity don’t come clean, admit when they were wrong and how. They will have to get used to being challenged and to explain exactly how they got to the conclusions they are pushing on us so that we can also have access to the same raw data.

    For too long the “experts” have been trading on their unearned reputation , they trashed it themselves so now they will have to earn it back.

  17. Some History

    In defence of the Hunchback, I don’t think any other politician/party would have done it too differently. The pollies and society to a large extent have deferred – completely – to medical authority. Public Health: Thy will be done.

  18. Refusing to wear masks in public

    Bitch please.

  19. Crossie

    At least with the Morbid Realism of the swedes you stop the finger pointing and focus on solutions. All we seem to care about in Aus is who we can pin the deaths on

    We have also learned that there is no such country as Australia, there are eight smaller principalities occupying the continent, each with its own prince or princess who think they have a divine right to order the serfs to do as the aristocrats wish. Prince Leonard of the Hutt River Principality was ahead of his time.

    The “federal” government, on the other hand, is simply a piggy bank that the princes and princesses think they have a right to raid as they see fit.

  20. Tim Neilson

    He refered to the Commissioner as the “Fiscal Fiend”. Can anyone remember his name?

    Peter Clyne. Led the ATO a merry chase for a while, but as best I recall they bankrupted him in the end.

    It’s all politics to pretend we can control a highly contagious respiratory disease and function as a society, to satisfy NIMBY Karens.

    Absolutely true. But that’s exactly what the Hunchback did. So now he can hardly say “well we were always going to have a situation like this, all the totalitarianism I’ve inflicted on you to date was just delaying things and causing maximum damage to the economy in the process”.

  21. Angus Black

    I want to know what @Spurgeon Monkfish III really thinks.

    I’m almost certain I’m going to agree…

  22. Grumpy Old Libertarian

    While I wholeheartedly agree that decades of identity politics and socialist policies have undermined people’s willingness to look out for each other, I do not agree that everybody who refuses to wear a mask in public is necessarily silly.

    While I have no problem with wearing a mask indoors where it is difficult to distance yourself from others and the benefits are clear, I absolutely refuse to accept that the requirement to wear a mask when going for a walk around the block to get some fresh air is anything other than petty harassment.

    Similarly, hearing that the Police is out and about fining people for buying seedlings or potting mix at Bunnings or walking in the wrong park indicates that the Victorian government’s response to the virus is not about managing risk in a proportionate manner. It is simply about power and control.

  23. Crossie

    One other thing. I find offensive the constant mantra from politicians about how the world has changed. It has not changed, they have changed it. They have made all the decisions or deferred to a small number of so-called experts who made the decisions, nobody asked us. We were exhorted that we are all in this together when there is nothing further from the truth. The political/bureaucratic class are almost unaffected while the rig has been pulled from under everyone else.

    It wouldn’t have been so offensive if the deciders were competent instead they have been unmasked as worthless seat warmers. Due to their mismanagement we are in the same health position now that we would have been if they didn’t take any other measures except isolate aged care facilities. And the economy would have been spared.

  24. philby

    Isn’t that the government’s job?

    That is the problem . Citizens surrender to the State at all levels of government in the hope that the government will provide . The sense of community and influence has been taken away by the socialists so now just do as you are ordered by your socialist masters . ” I am from the government we are here to help you” trouble is they do not have a clue. By the way does anyone think it is odd that the numbers rise dramatically each week following religious practises. There seems to be a pattern

  25. Damon

    Andrews played the tough guy, and got found out. “Fool me once, etc”

  26. Some History

    …and taxation is theft
    Sinc, have you seen Snowdon’s piece? A monumental mess also produced by Public Health nut cases and useful-idiot, greedy politicians.

    Australia shows what happens when nanny state fanatics run the show. Ban e-cigarettes, introduce plain packaging and set taxes so high that buying from the black market is almost a moral duty. What could go wrong?

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2020/07/whatever-happened-to-plain-packaging.html

  27. RobK

    Dan Andrews had been able to project the image of being a competent technocrat.
    I think technocracy is at the nub of the symptoms of a failing society you describe. Scientific curiosity, discipline and rigour are conflated with pedantry and authority. Human cooperation and compassion are conflated with expenditures and formulas by dictate.

  28. nb

    Civic capital: Leftism destroys civic capital.
    1) Leftism is built on hate, envy.
    2) Leftism is a competition for plunder – whatever you can steal, or gain an entitlement to through unproductive means.
    3) Leftism lowers the status of earned wealth and heightens the status of power. Pure leftism is a doctrine of pure power.
    Lacking in leftism is the desire to build, co-operate, self-improve, strive.

  29. Boambee John

    One of my comments from the Open Thread, addressed to struth there, but seems relevant here.

    struth

    Further to my comment about the consent of the governed, let me borrow some ideas from an American writer, Philip Bobbitt.

    He wrote some years ago about societies falling into two groups. There are societies governed by consent, and societies ruled by terror. Until about 15 to 20 years ago, Australia was largely governed by consent, now it is to a great degree ruled by terror. Our objective must be to return to the former status. The term sovereign nation does not make this difference clear.

  30. Squirrel

    “Take a look at these people and there is nothing there. No grounding in history, no sense of intellectual curiosity, a fluid set of beliefs and credos based on a quick search for easy answers……”

    There was a time when a paragraph beginning thus in The Australian would have quite correctly been a critique of the vacuities and vanities of the Left – but it too, is increasingly now part of the problem, not of the solution.

    The long, deep recession/depression we are heading into will accentuate some of the problems of which Jack laments, but will eventually have the opposite effect – because the fake, unsustainable, dolce vita affluence which has allowed so many to engage in so much silly, narcissistic, selfish posturing and delusion will be gone – and it won’t be coming back for a long, long time.

  31. MPH

    The COVID situation has created some of the most assymetric cost benefit situations in history but few seem to realise while commentating.

    Boomer Jack can dribble on about no sense of community but how about leaving something for later generations? Where’s the sense of community in screwing young people out of jobs and savings to buy a few months of life for people whose time is long up anyway? Instead young people get flushed even further down the drain by the worst living generation in history. I’m at the point where there should be an estate tax levied to repay the debt wasted on selfish ingrate boomers.

  32. twostix

    Somebody should tell Victorians that nobody in Australia is wearning masks except them, and they were happily not wearing them from February until the start of this week either.

    Perhaps the masks do nothing?

    It’s becoming a bit of a worry how absolutely stubborn Victorians are in refusing to blame the people who literally are to blame – the state government, and instead obediently fire up – in increasingly deranged tone bordering on mobs lunancy, at random scapegoats in the population.

    Are things that bad in Victoria that you really feel too afraid to critisise the government and instead will turn on each safe targets?

    This outbreak literally started in state government run public housing two weeks after a BLM protest.

    So ‘Jack’ with the platform of a national newspaper, bravely goes on a rant at…

  33. nb

    MPH, #3529591 says:
    ‘assymetric cost benefit situation’
    Indeed. A people so mesmerised they can’t see the rug being pulled from under their feet. Even those who bear the brunt of the costs are compliant. How perfect, though, for an ideology that seeks to impoverish everyone into dependence.

  34. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From MPH at 9:28 pm:

    “… some of the most assymetric cost benefit situations in history …

    … but how about leaving something for later generations? Where’s the sense of community in screwing young people out of jobs and savings to buy a few months of life for people whose time is long up anyway? … the worst living generation in history. … should be an estate tax … to repay the debt wasted on selfish ingrate boomers.”

    You and the other palooka are entertaining, I’ll give you that, much like Johnny One Note. That chip you carry on your shoulder – both shoulders – is holding you back but you are too dim to see it.

    Life is unfolding as it does – as it did for your parents and grandparents and as it will for the children of your contemporaries. (Don’t attempt that step yourself until you have matured, for the child’s sake). Parts of life are certain, other parts are not at all clear until they are. Stop whingeing and get on with enjoying your life.

    Learn how to spell.

  35. duncanm

    There is no sense of community

    Step #1 of the lock down debacle – shut down all the community organisations. Churches, social clubs, sporting clubs.

  36. duncanm

    Jack – I left my sense of community at the Tax Office.

    that’s a keeper.

  37. twostix

    The Australian community that existed until late last century was crushed under 50 years of wave upon wave of government enforced mega immigration and mandatory diversity.

    It’s a little hard to maintain a community when every generation the natives are forced to flee further and further away from the areas our great great grandparents built for us in order to try and retain some semblance of the Australia they grew up in.

  38. Steve

    Covid as a trauma based mind control exercise seems yo fit.

    I think we need to stop looking at it as a disease and more as a govt created psyop to destroy peopes minds and incomes.
    In many respects, its almost a direct war on the population, to beat themninto submission with glying squads of poluce, internal checkpounts and punative fines.

    The woman who took the system to task and stood up to the status quo at a road block is a hero, and then she got what appears to be “taught a lesson in obedience” later by a TAC team to really pound her face into the dirt, figuratively speaking for daring disobey her masters….

    Where are the causes of death autopsy reports from hospitals for those who allegedly have died from cov19? My money is on them all having pre existing dangerous medical conditions and covid ( a bad flu ) pushed them over the edge.

  39. C.L.

    I just read the column and wasn’t impressed, to be honest. Jack rounds up a few currently demonised oddballs and exhibitionists, then draws glib conclusions about society based on their mere existence.

    Yeah – we’ve never had eccentrics before, Jack. Totally new.

    I could just as easily criticise him for glorifying Australia’s worst criminals. I mean, how many of those Aussie Crime Stories has he done, asking the likes of Chopper Read for their insights?

    Some of us have been writing about society’s indifference to the lives of the vulnerable and the elderly for decades. I don’t recall Jack lamenting the literal extermination of almost every Down Syndrome baby conceived or of state Premiers – as recently as a year ago – high-fiving legislation authorising doctors to kill old people.

    The very same moral exhibitionists now on TV every night solemnly discussing aged care homes were literally laughing about knocking off the vulnerable elderly 12 months ago.

    And Jack wants me to worry about a few women in viral videos or Sovereign Citizens who have the crazy notion that deploying soldiers to intimidate little old ladies on their front porches is probably illegal – or if it isn’t, should be.

    Hope you get better, Jack, but please, hey – cut the bullshit.

  40. notafan

    Steve

    When a 98 year old dies of covid19 we can all take it as read that the underlying issue is the the deterioration of their immune system, and pretty much everything else.

  41. C.L.

    Crazy lady, masks, supermarket, argument …
    All the classic ingredients of a viral video …
    But there’s an obvious reason it won’t be analysed in The Australian:

    https://twitter.com/sallyKP/status/1288188359140151297

  42. Ozman

    Steve
    #3529640, posted on July 30, 2020 at 10:21 pm
    “Where are the causes of death autopsy reports from hospitals for those who allegedly have died from cov19? My money is on them all having pre existing dangerous medical conditions and covid ( a bad flu ) pushed them over the ed”

    Find a bookie, Steve, you are on a certainty.

    The USA Dr Simone Gold says that the CDC, on their website, lists the ages and comorbities of those who have died from COVID. The comorbities correlate more with the deaths than age.
    https://youtu.be/cKbQbcInHnA?t=7363

  43. rickw

    Refusing to wear masks in public

    I’m not wearing a mask in public, neither are most other people if we are honest.

    Most other people have a grotty piece of material pretending to be a mask locate above, below or to the side of where a mask should be.

    It’s pure theatre.

  44. rickw

    The Australian community that existed until late last century was crushed under 50 years of wave upon wave of government enforced mega immigration and mandatory diversity.

    When I take a walk down the street, past the Africans, Indians, Asians and Aussie welfarists, l feel exactly zero connection with them, the feeling would no doubt be mutual.

  45. C.L.

    Most other people have a grotty piece of material pretending to be a mask locate above, below or to the side of where a mask should be.

    It’s pure theatre.

    Right. But what Melburnians don’t seem to be aware of is that most other people on the continent don’t give two shits about coronavirus. They don’t even talk about it.

  46. NoFixedAddress

    What we need is a great big melting pot – full of CCP soup

    https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2020-07/222491_5_.png

  47. NoFixedAddress

    Victorian State community disappeared with the creation of the AFL.

    It’s been going down ever since.

  48. Beachcomber

    Steve
    #3529640, posted on July 30, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    Covid as a trauma based mind control exercise seems (y)to fit.

    Yes! You summarise it very nicely. Except that it seems that the flu going around this season is not particularly “bad”, no worse than average actually.

  49. Beachcomber

    In the meantime, keep safe, mask up if you live in Victoria, ……..

    No! Do NOT wear a mask! Do not let the the Andrews regime lock you down psychologically.

  50. Beachcomber

    C.L.
    #3529697, posted on July 31, 2020 at 12:05 am

    ……… most other people on the continent don’t give two shits about coronavirus. They don’t even talk about it.

    Yes, but they still meekly accept the on-going police-state controls that have been enforced; the forced shutdowns of businesses, the travel restrictions, quarantining, controls on social gatherings etc.

    The “new normal” of Covid-1984 which the ABC Ministry of Truth is so triumphant about means that our society is a lot less free and lot less prosperous than it was even only 6 months ago. Covid-1984 has been a major victory for the Leftist establishment and a boot-on-the-face for what were once free citizens.

  51. Ed Case

    What is a ”Competent Technocrat”?

  52. Herodotus

    It all started long ago, when Whitlam succeeded Calwell and took over the leadership of a failed ALP.
    Under his guidance it was like the Obama years, with celebrities singing the It’s Time jingle, journalists doing much the same sort of silk purse fabrications they went on to do to this day.
    The anti Vietnam rallies and moratoria, the Paris riots with youthful Danny The Red, the birth of the green party in Germany with its young woman leader who later suicided, the rise of feminism, the battle to legalise abortion, the introduction of no fault divorce by Lionel Murphy who also raided ASIO but was himself accused of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (found not guilty), the Khemlani loans affair, the subsequent painting of Fraser as an evil right wing death beast.
    It takes a long time to ruin a nation. It proceeds in at times a “fabian” fashion, at least until a point is reached when it can move at the speed of an avalanche.
    The process has been going on for more than 50 years here too.
    How far begind the USA are we?

  53. LBLoveday

    The WHO’s web-site has the following warning:
    .
    “FACT: People should NOT wear masks while exercising” (their capitals).
    .
    For elderly, a stroll around the block or along a beach is recommended exercise, so, according to WHO, wearing a mask while doing so is risking damage, even death (2 Chinese teenagers are reported to have died during an intense timed race while wearing masks).
    .
    I wore a mask to a hospital for a steroid injection; after 15-20 minutes my Blood Pressure and pulse were “through the roof”. I explained to staff that I measured both every morning, and it was an aberration.
    .
    I got to see a doctor after almost 2 hours (masked the whole time), and he said I was suffering from Hypoxemia – lack of Oxygen due to wearing the mask and inhaling excess CO2, and so no injection. Four weeks later I have not fully recovered (fuzzy thinking, poor memory); I doubt I ever will.
    .
    Dr. Judy Mikovits summarizes: “The more effective a mask is at blocking normal air flow, the greater the problem with decreased oxygen and increased carbon dioxide a person is likely to have. The less effective a mask is at blocking normal airflow, the less of a case can be made for using it”.

  54. John Bayley

    Check out Tony Heller’s post on how well mask mandates have worked in the USA.

    Don’t forget also to look at data of allegedly Covid-related deaths from Sweden, where there have been no mask mandates.

    Then make up your own mind.
    Assuming that doing so is still allowed in Veneztraliastan.

  55. LBLoveday

    “..was himself accused of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (found not guilty)”.
    .
    Worth noting for those who were not around, Murphy was found guilty, appealed, and a re-trial ordered, in which the jury found him not guilty.
    .
    At the time, I reckoned it was a 1-1 draw

  56. LBLoveday

    Ed Case asked – What is a ”Competent Technocrat”?
    .
    Reminded me of the cooking show telling how to use left-over beer to make fish batter.
    .
    What is “left-over beer”?

  57. Rex Anger

    What is a ”Competent Technocrat”?

    It is one of either 2 things:

    1) An Oxymoron

    2) Rarer than rocking horse excreta, if one actually exists at all…

  58. HT

    I never saw Andrews as a competent technocrat (and I worked with plenty of those). I always saw him as I see him now, a Union Bovver Boy completely out of depth.

  59. Judge Dredd

    some very silly people. Refusing to wear masks in public

    It’s not just the fringe that detest the mask wearing. Trust in government and”experts” is at an all time low as people wake up to the fact that they are constantly lied to (climate change ring any bells?).
    People don’t like being told what to do by liars, especially when they observably see there’s nothing happening around them.
    This isn’t the Black Death, people know it, and want to get on with their lives.

  60. Rex Anger

    @ LB Loveday-
    What is “left-over beer”?

    It’s a commie myth, like the Sun landings were faked and fluoride makes your farts taste of lemons.

    In the grim darkness of Australia’s future, there is only beer.

  61. yarpos

    A lot of sweeping statements about Victoria when most of what is said is either only true of some of Melbourne or is parochial interstate shit slinging. Its ironic they snark at the 5Gers yet hold their own baseless “facts” to be true.

  62. HT

    LBLoveday
    #3529814, posted on July 31, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Ed Case asked – What is a ”Competent Technocrat”?
    .
    Reminded me of the cooking show telling how to use left-over beer to make fish batter.
    .
    What is “left-over beer”?

    I’m a tea-totaler. Not at all uncommon for me to throw out beer I buy (for guests) that’s gone past its use by date.

  63. notafan

    I find breathing difficult after only a few minutes in a mask.

    I take it of at regular intervals to catch my breath.

  64. Bill

    Jock,

    The man who called the tax office “the fiscal fiend” was Peter Clyne.

  65. LBLoveday

    HT,
    .
    I came home after a 2 year overseas stint and drank the beer that had been in a closed cupboard for that time. Tasted just fine – most have a “Best Before” date rather than a “Use by” as do many food product, and from my experience and reading, beer does not become harmful to drink, just may become less palatable.
    .
    Last time I shifted I took all my beer, wine and spirits to Vinnies and told the volunteer staff to take it home as an appreciation of their work.

  66. MatrixTransform

    I’m at the point where there should be an estate tax levied to repay the debt wasted on selfish ingrate boomers.

    Hey MPH, just how much HECS have you got left to pay?

  67. Rex Anger

    @ Matrix-

    Likely about 12 cents. But he’d much rather waste it on Young Labor booze-ups, and trying to get into the pants of that pretty young thing who wears Greens and Socialist Alliance/Alternative logos all over her and who works for the Assistant-Sub-Undesercretary, who actually bats very hard for the other side, but he’s sure he can show her the errors of her vegan ways. One meating (hoho!) at a time…

  68. HT

    LBLoveday
    #3529889, posted on July 31, 2020 at 9:32 am
    HT,
    .
    I came home after a 2 year overseas stint and drank the beer that had been in a closed cupboard for that time. Tasted just fine – most have a “Best Before” date rather than a “Use by” as do many food product, and from my experience and reading, beer does not become harmful to drink, just may become less palatable.
    .
    Last time I shifted I took all my beer, wine and spirits to Vinnies and told the volunteer staff to take it home as an appreciation of their work.

    A herein lies a good definition of a “Competent Technocrat”. I don’t drink, I don’t like the taste of beer, its disgusting. My father was an alcoholic and so I abstained, and I am one of the very few people I know of who can honestly say I’ve never been drunk or even “merry” in my entire 60 odd years on the planet. (that’s not a judgement on others, bear with me…)

    When I was in the Army I was at one time a Warrant Officer Class One (WO1). As I’m also an introvert, the CO though it would be good for me to be the President of the Sergeants Mess (the so called PMC). The Mess was run well socially but a cluster financially. My job was to fix the books and clean up the Mess’s reputation. So here’s where a Competent Technocrat comes in.

    As far as social activities and drinking was concerned, I “knew about it”, but it wasn’t for me, so to speak. Over the course of 18 months I restored the balance sheets, got rid of crap that didn’t return profit, run Melbourne Cup Functions better than most Bookies, scheduled social activities as required and so on and so on. It was the best administration that Mess ever had (seriously, I was awesome :).

    But guess what? The Mess members didn’t enjoy it, and neither did I. I was a “Competent Technocrat” when it came to running what was essentially a mid sized social club. I knew it, the members knew it. Eventually, when the CO decided the books looked so good he decided to keep me as PMC for another year (it made him look good), I sabotaged my appointment by turning the Mess into a Social Concentration Camp. A competently run social concentration cap, of course, but one without a spark. The CO finally decided to let me return to the duties where I wasn’t only competent, but fully engaged and enjoying it. The new PMC he appointed after me knew that beer that was out of date was still drinkable, and he was likely to drink it himself. Me, if its out of date its down the sink (I hate the stuff remember).

    Now, apply that little story to every Public Service position you can think of. Public Servants are typically very competent, just not engaged…Daniel Andrews got prize, his Premier of the State. But he sure as hell isn’t engaged (don’t mistake putting in the hours with engagement)

    BTW, after two years the Mess was a financial and reputational mess again, but the members were happy. Keh.

  69. MatrixTransform

    bats very hard for the other side

    sounds like they both have daddy issues to me

  70. Megan

    LBLoveday…The breathing in CO2 message when wearing a mask is exactly what I was told by my GP when I saw her for my mask wearing exemption. She is raging at the utter stupidity and deep cruelty of it all.

    And Spurgeon has succinctly presented the reasons I gave up on the execrable Insider’s smug pontificating. The obituary columns were more interesting. And compassionate.

  71. Megan

    BTW, you don’t need a medical certificate or exemption letter to not wear a mask. The official government website is clear that you don’t have to wear a mask if ‘medical reasons’ prevent it. No listing of those reasons though asthma gets a fleeting mention, as does psychological reasons and trauma.

    Be prepared for the filthy looks and evil eye when you do venture out maskless. That wonderful community understanding at work. The twee local council Be Kind stickers on the footpaths are work a great. In seven different languages.

  72. COVID-19 is associated with high levels of radical uncertainty. The problem is that we don’t know much about the virus and how it works. This will change over time, and as such we can expect official guidelines to change over time too.

    Well, that’s a novelty in this blog! And from the Doomlord as well! I thought it had been pretty much written off as a gigantic hoax.

    I found all of this quite puzzling, until a read an fascinating article on the different responses to high levels of “Risk” in the populations. It is determined not all by levels of intelligence – but by many other factors.

    Interestingly, the most extreme “deniers” turn out most often to be the most fearful of the potential danger. They just react in a different, more fiscal way.

  73. Megan

    Working a treat! Spellwrecker strikes again. It never freaking learns.

  74. Megan

    Uncertainty is far more terrifying to people than known problems. Here be dragons…

  75. Sorry – that should read… “They fact in a different, more viscal way” !!!

  76. Indeed, “viscal” should read “visceral”!

  77. Rex Anger

    What is a ”Competent Technocrat”?

    It is one of either 2 things:

    1) An Oxymoron

    2) Rarer than rocking horse excreta, if one actually exists at all…

    I am surprised to see that we have, in HT, a still-living example of one. And pleased. Many of the only competent Public Servants I have ever seen in my life (thus far) have been Soldiers. Too many of the Health Dept types I met were neither competent, nor engaged. The ones who were got chased out, cos they are offensive and threatening to the incompetent ones in power.

    Sinc- I wish to nominate HT as a Catallaxy Living Treasure. I believe he deserves a Corner Office, access to the nice loos with the fluffy toilet paper, and all the non-aclcoholic beverage(s) of choice he can drink.

    Just don’t put him on the shelf next to the rocking horse- That arsehole bites. 😉

  78. jock;

    I recall my Tax lecturer regaling us with a book written by an old shyster, He refered to the Commissioner as the “Fiscal Fiend”. Can anyone remember his name?

    Would that have been Ron Saw?

  79. Some History

    vicki
    #3529966, posted on July 31, 2020 at 10:38 am
    Sorry – that should read… “They fact in a different, more viscal way” !!!

    vicki
    #3529972, posted on July 31, 2020 at 10:41 am
    Indeed, “viscal” should read “visceral”!

    You get 8 more goes and that’s it. 🙂

  80. Graham

    I recall my Tax lecturer regaling us with a book written by an old shyster, He refered to the Commissioner as the “Fiscal Fiend”. Can anyone remember his name?

    I think you will find he was the “colorful” Sydney tax lawyer, dead for many years, Peter Clyne.

  81. Lee

    It’s becoming a bit of a worry how absolutely stubborn Victorians are in refusing to blame the people who literally are to blame – the state government …

    This Victorian has always been critical of the Andrews government since first elected. Never more so than since the “second wave” of the virus, which I blame almost entirely on the Hunchback and his lackeys’ (including the CMO and his office) handling of matters. Particularly the horribly bungled security guard business and its association with the government beforehand.

    I find breathing difficult after only a few minutes in a mask.

    I don’t find it difficult per se; but I think I would if I had to wear it for say half an hour or more. As it is, even for short periods, I am conscious of something not being quite right about my breathing with the mask on. It’s not a good feeling.

    Be prepared for the filthy looks and evil eye when you do venture out maskless. That wonderful community understanding at work.

    I can well imagine; sort of like the looks fit-looking men of military age not in uniform would get walking around the streets during WWI. Hence the “white feather.”

  82. PB

    “There is no sense of community, no looking after others.”

    There are many communities, all racially, culturally and socially segregated by choice. This is called “diversity” (which is our strength).

  83. Bad Samaritan

    Sorry Cats, but all this mumbling about the lack of community understanding, or of community in general, is really very old news. Apart from her famous “with socialism you eventually run out of other people’s money”, Maggie T also made the following observation when the question of fast-rising mental health issues in Britain were spoken of…

    “Yes, Labour believed the mentally disturbed would be better off being released into the care of the community. However they have now learned that the community does not exist

    That was about 45 years ago.

  84. MPH

    I don’t have to credential myself when the facts stand as they do. Boomers have done a great job of weaponising “Respect your elders / Back in my day” but life is demonstrably not unfolding for the young as it did for older generations, economically and on other life metrics.

    https://www.smh.com.au/money/saving/how-older-australians-captured-a-growing-share-of-the-nation-s-wealth-20181005-p507wn.html

  85. MatrixTransform

    you need to do some growing up, MPH

    Whether you like it or not you have bought into the same fake dollar system that everybody else did since 1971.

    Sounds like you blame the previous generation which is odd because what they did was feed and clothe and educate you.

    I’ll wager your’e well traveled as well.

    choices ,choices mate

  86. Simon Morgan

    Information for Jack The Insider – the reason people are being so ‘foolish’ is that our so-called medical experts were telling us a few short months ago that masks were totally unnecessary. Now they’re telling us they are life-savers.

    These people clearly have o idea what they are talking about.

  87. Megan

    MPH and his ever so special free learning has not given him an iota of understanding of the differences between opinion and facts.

    It’s your opinion, mate, and you’re fully entitled to it. Creating your own facts about others out of MSM propaganda and hipster coffee chats? Not so much.

  88. Stan

    There is no new evidence all of a sudden that shows that masks are effective. There is plenty of evidence that they are harmful to individuals, and of no net effect in stopping the spread of infections in the general population. The “authorities” were right the first time, before mask wearing became a political objective.

  89. Rex Anger

    Another troll. First the fake ‘frontline’ medico Matt, then the Rabid Daily Llama. Now MPH, the ‘boomer’ -hating low-mileage-per-gallon troll who is probably a Young Labor flunkey on a dare or proving his devotion to his new FauxFacts/GetItUp! masters. Or is it Mistresses.

    That’s 3 now. It must be an Election Year…

    @MPH- Are you going to burn yourself out after 3-4 mocking posts, lamestream meeja links and a flounce? Please don’t, that would be boring. We Cats and Kittehs do need a steady supply of willing sparring partners (*Cough*Victims*Cough*) to keep our beclawed and rapier-like wits sharp, you know…

  90. Bruce in WA

    People are also jacked off,

    Phrasing!! It’s not that sort of blog!

  91. Ed Case

    There appears to be some confusion around the negative health effects of wearing masks on the mouth and nose.
    I’m not claiming to be a Health Professional, but claims of Hypercapnia from wearing P2/N95 masks don’t sound right.
    A search shows that the only people suffering Hypercapnia are Scuba Divers and Free Divers.
    Hypocapnia is a different story, the linked article sheds more light on this very real health issue, and an explanation of the Bohr Effect:
    https://www.pnmedical.com/breather-university/effects-of-wearing-face-mask/

  92. Rex Anger

    Edgy-

    Hyperventilation causing hypocapnia is certainly plausible.

    As is hypercapnia from the increased deadspace of the filter mask and increased respiratory effort to move air past same. When people get tired, tidal volume (the usual ‘resting’ amount of air you move into.and out of your lungs) will drop. Your system tries to compensate by raising the respiratory rate (fast, shallow breaths). But it is a vicious cycle.

    If you have someone who is emphysematous (think of healthy lung as like a ballon, and emphysematous lungs like a placcy shopping bag), there are areas of lung that are incompletely ventilated to start with. That will be exacerbated by the extra deadspace of a mask, and even worse again with the extra metabolic demands of exercise.

    Patients with restrictive defects (e.g. pulmonary fibrosis- Stiff lungs, or morbid obesity- All that extra body tissue over the sternum prevents fully inflating the lungs) will start to retain CO2 because they tend to have a low tidal volume to start with.

    The effect will be magnified by a thick filter mask, or even some varieties of cloth mask, based on the density of the weave, etc.

    You won’t see respiratory failure amongst most very sick people using masks, bu it could be a straw too far if the poor buggers have an exacerbation. Even a mere cold can be lethal for a COPD sufferer if it develops into a chest infection.

  93. Rex Anger

    I should clarify that respiratory effort is not an issue for the vast.majority of.o otherwise healthy people. Including smokers/ex-smokers, fibrotics, morbidly.obese etc.

    You will experience “air hunger” if you are not used to working with a mask. You can and will adapt over time. But being suddenly ordered to wear something.you aren’t used.to is co fronting and uncomfortable. I’d expect many people to claim or be diagnosed.with claustrophobia.

  94. Philby

    If there is no benefit in wearing a mask then why do the medicos wear them and for long periods without harm. The information I have read regarding CO2 buildup or lack of oxygen with a surgical mask claims there are no harmful.effects. I am 72 with a few medical problems and I have been wearing a mask outside for 6 months now to no I’ll effect , no shortness of breath no excess of CO2 and normal oxygen levels as checked by doctors. More importantly I have at this stage not contracted the virus despite the city bastards swamping our area and bringing it with them. Stop whining about wearing a mask as it will do you no harm and it may just save the life of someone you care about.

  95. Rex Anger

    What sort of mask, Philby?

    Are we talking N2? N95? Cloth? Respirator? The little papery things worn to catch the spits that most medical staff use to keep them dribbling their own bodily fluids into open wounds during surgery, wound dressing, etc?

    I am simply clarifying what I know as a former Respiratory Scientist. Not whinging about anything.

    Though I do enjoy the benefit of being in a place with a Hard Border and, so far, better management (if such a concept exists with a virus spread by micro-aerosols) of the situationan elsewhere.

  96. Lee

    If there is no benefit in wearing a mask then why do the medicos wear them and for long periods without harm.

    They don’t seem to have stopped the many health professionals from here and overseas catching the coronavirus.

  97. Rex Anger:

    Patients with restrictive defects (e.g. pulmonary fibrosis- Stiff lungs, or morbid obesity- All that extra body tissue over the sternum prevents fully inflating the lungs) will start to retain CO2 because they tend to have a low tidal volume to start with.

    Ever tried running in NBC Mask and gear?

  98. Rex Anger

    Not yet, Winston…

    And there’s an example of significantly increased Dead Space right there.

    With a free Heat Injury! 😀

  99. Rex Anger

    I have goofed my email again. Sigh.

    (Apologies.for the resultant double post)

    Not yet, Winston…

    And there’s an example of significantly increased Dead Space right there. 😀

    With a free Heat Injury! 😀

  100. Megan

    Stop whining about wearing a mask as it will do you no harm and it may just save the life of someone you care about.

    Really? How the hell would you know that it will do me no harm? Better I should ignore the advice of my personal medical professional and listen to a random dickhead on a blog?

    Given that viral particles are significantly smaller than the smallest gap in surgical and cotton masks you are pretty much trying to catch a fly with a tennis racquet. If they worked as well as you seem to think they do, no health workers, surgeons or paramedics anywhere would have caught COVID-19. They do become a fermenting, viral and bacterial sponge quite quickly.

    My newborn contracted a nasty virus from my gynaecologist during delivery and spent a week in NICU as a consequence. And yes, the specialist most certainly was wearing a mask.

    Carrying an amethyst crystal in your pocket or a lucky shamrock in your wallet would be equally effective. You’re welcome.

  101. H B Bear

    I’m not claiming to be a Health Professional, but claims of Hypercapnia from wearing P2/N95 masks don’t sound right.

    C’mon Dr Gagooglery QC MD don’t sell yourself short. We are lucky to have you here.

  102. Ed Case

    Does Nasal Breathing have advantages over Mouth breathing for defence against Covid-19?
    Patrick McKeown’s thoughts: https://buteykoclinic.com/corona-virus/

  103. philby

    Really? How the hell would you know that it will do me no harm? Better I should ignore the advice of my personal medical professional and listen to a random dickhead on a blog?

    Funny that is exactly my thoughts when I read your silly post. I would seek a new medical advisor
    and remember this my highly experienced hospital pharmacist saves peoples lives just about every day when GP’s are ignorant of drugs they are prescribing. Your doctors advice is against the now accepted benefits of wearing a surgical mask and it is the LAW so cease the bullshit.

  104. Rex Anger

    @ Megab,

    Which is why smart cookies in a medical practice change (or should change!) then frequently. Between patients, even.

    The logistics, as I understand them, in some places have prevented this.

    Then there’s the average punter who might think a single disposable paper mask is good to go indefinitely. And becomes the very fermenting, viral and bacterial sponge you describe.

    The masks really are only good for catching what you sneeze, snuffle or drip. They are not necessarily going to prevent aerosolised nasty getting in.

  105. Rex Anger

    @ Edgy-

    Nasal breathing vs. mouth breathing in practice will not change much. Coronaviruses lodge and incubate in mucous membranes. You have those in every surface of your upper airways down to the bronchioles (littlest air tubes before the alveoli, or air sacs).

    Infection is a function of how much virus particle you pick up. You pass a sniffler in the street, you may get some. Your immune system or the natural clearing mechanism of your sinuses will take care of those before they become a problem. Ditto if you touch a doorknob then scratch your nose, etc.

    If, however, you are stuck next to a snuffly person for several hours (e.g. bus/plane/train ride from hell, or the little Edgies are sick, etc.), the you will pick up enough virus particles that some will get in and replicate before being overwhelmed. Then it’s on like Donkey Kong for your immune system.

  106. Ed Case

    From the above link:
    According to Reuters, a representative from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) explains: “The CO2 will slowly build up in the mask over time. However, the level of CO2 likely to build up in the mask is mostly tolerable to people exposed to it. You might get a headache but you most likely [would] not suffer the symptoms observed at much higher levels of CO2. The mask can become uncomfortable for a variety of reasons including a sensitivity to CO2 and the person will be motivated to remove the mask. It is unlikely that wearing a mask will cause hypercapnia”26.

    In actual fact, wearing a mask to pool carbon dioxide could be very helpful for your breathing. Exposing the body to slightly higher levels of carbon dioxide will help reduce the sensitivity of your body to the gas. This translates into lighter breathing and reduced breathlessness during rest, sleep and physical exercise.

  107. Ed Case

    Nasal Breathing produces Nitric Oxide, which effectively kills the SARS virus, yet you say it’s a waste of time against COVID-19?
    You wouldn’t be bird-dogging my comments by any chance, Young Rex?

  108. Chris M

    I was told by my GP when I saw her for my mask wearing exemption.

    Another option would be to semi-comply i.e. weak a mask with a hole cut in it. At least you can’t get fined, it’s still a mask and you can breath easily.

  109. Rex Anger

    Nasal Breathing produces Nitric Oxide, which effectively kills the SARS virus, yet you say it’s a waste of time against COVID-19?
    You wouldn’t be bird-dogging my comments by any chance, Young Rex?

    No. You are free what you want to believe, Edgy.

    I personally consider the Buteyko Method and its believers are somewhat suspect in some of their methods and claims. Nitric Oxide is a trace substance in the human body, as the result of metabolic activities. I am personally suspicious of the information as presented, and the relative lack of citations.

    My post merely described airway physiology, and the mechanism of pathogens and the immune response. In line with my Medical Science knowledge and background.

    Unless I am concocting an elaborate and amusing insult, or telling a suitably tall story, I usually don’t move far beyond my understanding of a subject.

    (Or if you’re engaging in some really egregious wrongology, like IamWontToPretendIamARandianRationalist,ButAlwaysGetStuckAtOrthodoxMarxism…)

  110. MPH

    I’m sorry some people’s lives are so tragic they have to validate themselves by being tough guys and gals in the Catallaxy comments section. I really pity you. Maybe you’re jealous of someone who still has a fulfilling life ahead of them, maybe deep down you realise how hard it is for your children and grandchildren – I don’t know, I’m not a psychiatrist. If you continue to react so hysterically you’ll just reinforce your irrelevance.

    The point remains that this COVID response has worsened an already dire intergenerational situation, but it doesn’t even seem to factor into anyone’s decision making. Young people were already far too in favour of socialism (if not outright communism) and the unfair restrictions being imposed is only driving them further in that direction. We should make reasonable efforts to protect each other but ultimately at-risk people need to be responsible for themselves. Victoria has shown the folly of elimination as a strategy so we should all be prepared for the inevitable and stop destroying what little economic resilience we have left.

  111. Philby
    #3530385, posted on July 31, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    If there is no benefit in wearing a mask then why do the medicos wear them and for long periods without harm. The information I have read regarding CO2 buildup or lack of oxygen with a surgical mask claims there are no harmful.effects. I am 72 with a few medical problems and I have been wearing a mask outside for 6 months now to no I’ll effect , no shortness of breath no excess of CO2 and normal oxygen levels as checked by doctors.

    I’m also young and have a great immune system. I don’t get sick, basically.

    Why do I need a mask again?

    Go and play a full game of basketball with the mask on.

    Doesn’t work, does it?

  112. MatrixTransform

    I’m not a psychiatrist.

    …actually … I’m not a proctologist either

  113. MatrixTransform

    an already dire intergenerational situation

    j’smist, for sure

  114. notafan

    Nothing regarding vulnerable people taking responsibility I disagree with MPH.

    Exactly what those in that category in my family have been doing weeks before Dan started laying down the law.

    And my children are not in danger of embracing socialist.

  115. philby

    Really? How the hell would you know that it will do me no harm? Better I should ignore the advice of my personal medical professional and listen to a random dickhead on a blog?

    Funny that is exactly my thoughts when I read your silly post.

  116. a reader

    What little community we had disappeared with the Bushfires and the purely horrific way people carried on during that period. The vile abuse and vitriole that came out and the Karens demanding we ban all fireworks because it might be offensive to someone who lived in an area who had a greens controlled council that let their house burn down was the first obvious sign. This whole thing has proven there is no Australia anymore. It’s petty minded provincialism and BIIIIIIIIG government who managed to destroy what last vestiges of community were left (churches, sports clubs, RSLs etc).

    Covid1984 has certainly been one hell of a thought experiment for the introverted, socialist, psycopathic little HItlers that infest the public service in this country

  117. Rex Anger

    I’m sorry some people’s lives are so tragic they have to validate themselves by being tough guys and gals in the Catallaxy comments section. I really pity you. Maybe you’re jealous of someone who still has a fulfilling life ahead of them, maybe deep down you realise how hard it is for your children and grandchildren – I don’t know, I’m not a psychiatrist. If you continue to react so hysterically you’ll just reinforce your irrelevance.

    Guys, look! A new punishable arsehat! Wheeee!!!1! 😀

    MPH- The childishness of your last post, coupled with the piss-poor tacking on of something that you think might sound vaguely ‘liberal’ or ‘libertarian,’ suggests that your understanding of how we ‘Hated Others’ think is very limited.

    I could take one of your Latrobe-based Critical Theory professors, force them to huff whiteboard cleaner until they could not stand up, and they would still troll better than you.

    Best you report back to your Applied Marxism 101 cadre and get submissively intersectional with your self-declared superiors, before you get yourself into too much of a lather and try to eat your mouse.

    For your future reference: Nobody in the real world uses the buzzword ‘Intergenerational.’ And don’t focus so obsessively on the plight of the ‘poor’ young people. :'( You instantaneously give yourself away as a Greenist/GetItUpYa! stooge with mummy and/or daddy issues.

    Never, ever give lesser mortals like we Cats such an easy opening…

  118. Mique

    My interest in Doona Dan is very tiny indeed, exceeded only slightly by my interest in anything of or concerning the State of Victoria. I spent a total of roughly nine months of my life there about 50 years ago in enforced activities considered necessary by my employers as preparation for what became my career. I’ve been back several times since for very brief visits which simply reinforced my original hatred of the place and my pity for the poor benighted souls unable or unwilling to escape the shithole they kid themselves is habitable.

    But where it is useful to the rest of the nation is to demonstrate beyond all reasonable doubt that the ALP’s longstanding habit of recruiting its politicians from its staffers is a disastrous policy. Doona Dan, bless his rotten little heart, is the perfect example of the type, and I’m sure it is the prime reason for his administrative incompetence. The man has never had anything remotely resembling what normal people would understand to be a “real job”. (Of course, that probably also applies to many Cats of the academic persuasion too, but fortunately most of them are safely well away from the levers of power.)

    According to Wikipedia, he went from school to uni (politics), to ALP staffer, to Parliament, to Leader of the Opposition, to Premier. Nary a hint of practical experience doing or managing anything significant. No wonder Victoria is a mess and unable to manage the Covid-19 emergency, any better than he was able to manage the bushfires.

    And my sympathy for Victorians is limited to those sensible enough never to have voted for this clown. For the rest, they deserve him and anything his incompetence brings down on their stupid heads.

  119. stackja

    Victoria was reassured Dan was better than the opposition. Better than anyone at virus control?

  120. MPH

    Rex Anger, that’s a monumental effort for a two finger typist, but has done nothing other than reinforce the perception that boomers are all noise and actually no use for anything. You are the epitome of what is wrong with old people today, crapping on about anything except the subject at hand and somehow thinking that your age gives you authority. Facts be damned, I’m old and loud and therefore right. Keep ranting, you’re really helping your case.

  121. Rex Anger

    MPH, I am flattered that you think I am old.

    Grey hair is a crown of wisdom and experience. Sadly, it is one I have yet to fully earn.

    I sincerely hope that you too live long enough to reach it, given that you are the very caricatured stereotype of the Gamma blowhard who will never get the girl despite all his efforts, who will never actually learn from his experiences because you cannot suffer crippling shame of maybe being even slightly wrong. And who will never actually get any further beyond your juvenile hate-boner for anyone more successful at you in anything because that might require actually learning something.

    And you are far too fool for school, aren’t you Comrade?

    Go back into your hugbox corner, snort your crayons and claim your face-saving ‘victory’ in your best grovelling, Chinese-Communist style as you get submissively intersectional with your self-declared betters at GetItUpYa!

    Hurry up, child. Your problematic White Privilege is showing…

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