Here’s a nugget

Here’s a nugget.  So to speak.  Reported in today’s AFR:

NSW ski resorts are under the microscope after health authorities detected traces of the coronavirus in the region’s sewage treatment plant.

and

“NSW Health has recently started a research program to test sewage for traces of COVID-19 across the state,” NSW Health said in a statement.

Interesting.  Rather than their usual production of legislative and regulatory excrement, the government is now analysing citizens’ excrement.

Novel.  Or so you would think.  Extraordinary times, blah blah.  But it seems that “wastewater analysis” is not a new thing.  The Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission runs a program called the National Wastewater Drug Monitoring Program.

No sh*t.

Wastewater analysis is widely applied internationally as a tool to measure and interpret drug use within national populations. The Australian Government has recognised the considerable benefits of wastewater analysis and has partnered with established scientific expertise within Australian academic institutions to introduce a national program based on international models.

Considerable benefits of wastewater analysis.  Really.  Not satisfied in trawling through the financial and phone and GPS records of citizens, our governments like to analyse our fecal outputs.

But here is another unanswered question.  Our governments are currently conducting tens of thousands of Covid tests.  As part of this, identification and mobile phone numbers are being collected with samples.  So now, conceivably, the government has the capacity to build a citizen DNA data base which can be linked to mobile phone records which can be linked to financial records and can provide an unbelievable richness of data.  Which can also be linked to the face recognition database and the metadata information records database (thanks Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull).

What are they waiting for?  Why not just GPS tag everyone.

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44 Responses to Here’s a nugget

  1. Karabar

    At some stage we might have to all have ear tags, like a herd of cattle or a mob of sheep.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What are they waiting for? Why not just GPS tag everyone.

    the eye of Sauron the mighty is upon us

  3. Old School Conservative

    That crazy guy a few years ago who implanted a chip in his forearm was just ahead of his time.

  4. Rex Anger

    Next thkng you know, they’ll be finding traces of coronavirus in… Coronavirus!

    I laugh, but only because I cannot do anything else…

    (Honk honk dear friends. Like a surprise cream pie to the face, the Clown World is imposed upon us.

  5. egg_

    They were threatening sewage tracing from the outset.

    I’ll bet it’s a WHO regimen for far worse outbreaks than the seasonal flu, Comrade.

  6. Andre

    I take the point about government intrusion on citizen privacy, but doubt Australian politicians and public service drones have the nous to catalogue our DNA samples. In a contest between a government conspiracy and a cock up the latter wins most times.

  7. Professor Fred Lenin

    Well I never heard such shit ! Even the Soviets didnt go that far ,and the Chinese made sure the excrementwas spreas on the veggie patch .
    Talk about psychotic contol freaks .

  8. The Italians keep old sewage samples frozen so they can track changes.

    From examining old samples they could reveal when the CCP-19 virus arrived there in November(?).

  9. Delta

    “NSW Health has recently started a research program to test sewage for traces of COVID-19 across the state,” NSW Health said in a statement.

    Sounds like a load of crap to me. Having undertaken some engineering works at a few country based STPs, and having seen some of the testing works undertaken, are we now expected to accept that testing can determine traces of WhuFlu? The only word that comes to mind is bullshit.

    It’s all very well to test an excrement sample from a sick person for parasites, but to then apply the same process across the inflow (presumably) to a sewerage treatment plant where the dilution would be huge is madness unless some clever dick decided this would be a good way to keep the panic and fear progressing.

    Anyway, what possible use could be made of this information (that is if it is information)?

  10. Gertrude

    Your blog post is not sensible. It has been found in studies in the Netherland that evidence of the virus in sewage is an early indicator of a possible unidentified emerging locational cluster of infection. It is one of the very few early detector signals that are available for controlling the virus. The tests have nothing to do with anyone’s personal privacy or DNA.

  11. Some History

    Not satisfied in trawling through the financial and phone and GPS records of citizens, our governments like to analyse our fecal outputs.

    At least they’re in their element.

  12. Delta

    Gertrude:

    It is one of the very few early detector signals that are available for controlling the virus.

    Keep panicking.

  13. NuThink

    The water pressure use to be used as an indication of how many viewers watched a TV program, as they would do their ablutions during an ad break or the end of a certain program thus dropping the water pressure.

    Also in the UK the electricity suppliers have to watch for the end of a soap opera to call in peak hydro generators or nuclear from France as just 1 million people turning on their kettles at the same time means between 1 to 2 GW are drawn from the supply for a few minutes. If 5 million they could draw as much as 5 to 10 GW for a short time. Hence the EU directive or consideration to limit the wattage of domestic kettles.

    For comparison purposes in Victoria
    Loy Yang A 2.2GW
    Loy Yang B 1.05GW
    Yallourn 1.5GW

  14. Colonel Crispin Berka

    the metadata information records database

    That was a sneaky misuse of language by da gubmint. When they claimed they were storing only metadata because they weren’t recording call contents, this was strictly untrue. Metadata is data about data. It is the schema, the description of field names, data types, data lengths, checksums, (etc) of a database. By storing call origin, destination, duration, or, Internet packet origin, destination, web site names, etc, they are storing data, not metadata. It’s data about the real world, not data about data. They must know this.

    As for the fecal forensics… fine, no problem with that part.
    Reckon I might have a three course lunch today. If they want “mass surveillance” they can have it! 😀

  15. Terry

    ‘What are they waiting for?’…for you to demand it. For your own protection, of course.

    They have dutifully constructed the solution. Now it’s just a matter of engineering the problem.

    Please Mr Big (totally not totalitarian) Government. Please deliver to me the yoke of safety in exchange for my freedom.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  16. Lee

    What are they waiting for? Why not just GPS tag everyone.

    Don’t give the government ideas!

  17. The BigBlueCat

    Well, they can put that tag on your forehead or on your hand. While they’re at it, make it the only way you can buy and sell stuff. Oh, wait

  18. Terry

    ‘In a contest between a government conspiracy and a cock up the latter wins most times.’

    If either cause leads to the same effect, then what is the difference.

    Treason or incompetence; malevolence or “good intentions paved to hell”. When presuming to run the lives of (once) free citizens, the punishment should be the same.

    A defence against having incompetents, or worse, running our lives is to have as few as possible bureaucrats. Western Civilisation has spent the last half-century charting the exact opposite course.

  19. cuckoo

    Don’t forget that in the chapters on Laputa, in Gulliver’s Travels – which increasingly read like an instruction manual for the present era – secret traitors and dissidents are detected by characteristics in their excrement.

  20. mareeS

    Who didn’t know this? Testing at treatment plants has been happening for decades, one of my close relatives is a research person in this field. It started with tracking diseases, then drug use, at a few metropolitan plants, now Is business as usual at every treatment plant.

  21. Bruce in WA

    What are they waiting for? Why not just GPS tag everyone

    Indeed that very thing was suggested this morning on air (ABC) by the President of the AMA(WA).

  22. I think this is how Chairman Dan and his medical clowns determine what to do from day to day. They have pots of shit in a room somewhere and watch for what floats to the surface to determine policy, one shit show to another.

  23. Professor Fred Lenin

    They will put a tatoo on your arm .like the national Socialist Hitler and his Kamerads . Ear tags can be removed tatoos much more difficult.

  24. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Metadata is data about data

    Here is an image of two of the world’s foremost scientistic authorities on this controversial and often misunderstood subject.

  25. Kneel

    “Here is an image of two of the world’s foremost scientistic authorities on this controversial and often misunderstood subject.”

    the one on the left looks more reasonable and more intelligent…

  26. John A

    The BigBlueCat #3530050, posted on July 31, 2020, at 11:30 am

    Well, they can put that tag on your forehead or on your hand. While they’re at it, make it the only way you can buy and sell stuff. Oh, wait …

    And those inconsistent progressive finks still claim the Bible is irrelevant to modern times! Ha!

  27. duncanm

    mareeS
    #3530069, posted on July 31, 2020 at 11:47 am
    Who didn’t know this?

    exactly.

    Also used for detecting people putting illegal waste down the drain, criminal activity (drug labs), etc etc.

  28. Astatine Jones

    …which can be linked to mobile phone records which can be linked to financial records and can provide an unbelievable richness of data.

    Old technology, already done by Facebook, Google, Amazon and co. They call it ‘marketing’.

  29. Gerard

    If you carry a cell phone you are GPS tagged.

  30. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    What’s wrong with using shit to detect a potentially fatal virus? No different to other means of testing and allows health experts to locate possible hotspots. I really don’t think they will use the data to access your bank accounts or tax files or whatever the foil hat brigade on this blog think!

  31. Bulldog

    got to have something to sell to the CCP!

  32. Bulldog

    Theres only 2 treatment plants in Melbourne …. early indication of what? … whuflu in the west or whuflu in the east. not particularly helpful down here in Victoriastan.

  33. egg_

    Metadata is data about data

    Can Barry Jones explain it, with the aid of a ball-of-string diagram?

  34. Squirrel

    ” the government has the capacity to build a citizen DNA data base ”

    Exactly – a reason (and not the only one) not to rush to be tested unless you have good reasons to be tested.

    We’ve already been told, to take a very relevant example, that pathology samples have been used for purposes other than those for which they were collected.

    Just as it is in the private sector “data” is the big thing in the public sector – there would be some worthy reasons for that, but it is also very fashionable and a definite bureaucratic growth area – careers and consultancy fortunes (by former officials and their mates) will be made out of it.

  35. egg_

    the metadata information records database

    That was a sneaky misuse of language by da gubmint.

    Tracking data, regardless.

    Unless you’re a total numpty, you’d be aware of photo JPEG metadata, etc.

  36. Robbo

    The NSW government is analysing peoples excrement. Why the need for this? All governments are so full of shit already so they should stop looking for more.

  37. Cardimona

    If the rona is detectable in wastewater plants why is a faecal transmission route impossible?

  38. Robber Baron

    It seems to me that the government is interested in everything we do. I suppose it’s time to install a septic tank in addition to stop using smart phones and start writing letters again.

  39. Cardimona
    #3530648, posted on July 31, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    If the rona is detectable in wastewater plants why is a faecal transmission route impossible?

    Because a committee has not made that decision yet, you see.

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    Look, I like a good conspiracy theory as well as the next guy, but Jesus Christ. Nothing in this sentence is correct. Let’s go through it, though:

    ‘Considerable benefits of wastewater analysis. Really. Not satisfied in trawling through the financial and phone and GPS records of citizens, our governments like to analyse our fecal outputs.’

    No it doesn’t. Because a) it’s ‘wastewater analysis’ and b) you cannot get someone’s DNA from shit unless you attempt the Powerball-winning odds of obtaining skin cells from your ring gear inside a turd, which is like searching for a two and a half-inch needle in a haystack comprised of two inch needles. Doesn’t happen, won’t happen, ain’t gonna happen, no.

    The ACIC is the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission. They do wastewater analysis in particular sewerage treatment outlets, run by uni professors and researchers, in particular cities over periods of months to determine – through analysis of the water prior to treatment – what sort of drugs and what sort (by type) are trending in those cities. They can get it down to X number of methylamphetamine (for example) doses per person by day.

    It doesn’t have to come from a particular person, so again with the shit you can’t get DNA from (or the wastewater, freakin’ obviously) nobody is tracking you through your faecal output and matching it to your Medicare records or tax returns.

    Cool story though.

  41. It doesn’t have to come from a particular person, so again with the shit you can’t get DNA from (or the wastewater, freakin’ obviously) nobody is tracking you through your faecal output and matching it to your Medicare records or tax returns.

    Cool story though.

    Fuck off mate that’s nonsense, so I keep all of mine in the bar fridge in my study.

  42. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I keep all of mine in the bar fridge’

    Yes. So you say.

    Is it all yours though?

  43. Howard Hill

    It was mentioned on the communist cartoon network early on that covoid-1984 was being transmitted up the stink pipe in multi story units. All bullshit of course.
    Please stop with the shit tracing/talking or that fucking, vile, lying, despicable, murdering, hunchback with ears that would make dumbo blush, will mandate we all have to wear butt plugs. You now if shit is carrying pooh-flu? Then farting must be plugged or more grannies are gunna die!

    OTOH, play it up, Sam. Victorians need to have huge butt plugs shoved up their arse till they beg for forgiveness for ever voting for that piece of crap!

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