Was Andrew Bolt got at?

At the same time as I was writing this yesterday:

Andrews is the most vile premier this state has ever had. We have had incompetence before, also immense waste and hideous policy formation. But if he is really forbidding the use of HCQ on people who will otherwise die, this man is actually evil.

Andrew Bolt was simultaneously publishing this:

This won’t please many people. But we should thank our political leaders — even Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews — for how they’re fighting like hell to stop this virus.

I asked my friend who had written to me about the HCQ ban in Victoria why they cared so much and he replied:

Lefties acting in sympathy with their US counterparts. If the drug is seen to be working here it would undermine the narrative in the US.

Which now leads to this just now: Tougher NZ-style lockdown looms for Victoria.

After 723 new cases and 13 deaths — including 10 in crisis-hit nursing homes — on the worst day of the pandemic, the national medical expert panel is understood to have considered the need for sweeping new restrictions to further ­reduce movement.

Are we really going to shut down the whole state because old people are dying in our mismanaged age-care homes?

LET US ALSO NOT FORGET ABOUT THIS: From yesterday’s post – Hydroxychloroquine Lowers COVID-19 Death Rate, US Study Finds. Now especially why are we not giving it a try?

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67 Responses to Was Andrew Bolt got at?

  1. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Are we really going to shut down the whole state because old people are dying in our mismanaged age-care homes?

    why yes… yes they will. it’s only evil capitalist who will be hurt, the prole voting block get handouts to keep them in line.

  2. sfw

    How long can Andrews keep doubling down? There must be a point where he has to give up. A month? Four months?

  3. Alex

    If only Maggie Thatcher were in power today. A lot of naughty English boys (read politicians) would have had their arses skelped and told to get on with the economy. “Surrounded by idiots” in Lion King must have been inspired by Maggie.

  4. Bob

    It must never be forgotten that Daniel Andrews instigated a program that fosters predation by sexual perverts over innocent young children, which ‘grooms’ them into becoming the prey of those predators.
    He called it “Safe Schools” to deceive parents who mistakenly entrusted their children to the education system. Evil? Yes, most definitely.

  5. NuThink

    evil and live are the same – just spelled (spelt?) back to front.

  6. Chairman Dan has screwed up so badly (thanks to all his union obligations) that he’s in an utter panic trying to patch holes in his rotting canoe without a paddle. He would gladly lay waste to Victoristan in order to save face. And he’s clearly taking many lessons from his CCP masters.

  7. Cardimona

    This was my first letters submission today…
    It won’t see print because News Corpse editors have also been got at.

    The Editor
    The Courier Mail

    The Courier Mail’s sister paper, the Daily Telegraph (31/07), carried an excellent Terry McCrann column about Dictator Dan’s hydroxychloroquine ban.

    McCrann notes the low COVID-19 death rate in Qatar where HCQ is correctly used and the withdrawal of the Lancet’s anti-HCQ research.

    Yet our own Premier will fine your doctor $13,000 if they prescribe HCQ to save you from COVID-19.

    Our aversion to HCQ is political, not medical, and arises (as McCrann notes) from “Trump Derangement Syndrome”.

    Why do Australian leftists so viscerally hate American non-leftists that they’ll sacrifice Australian lives?

    I’ll leave it to you to ponder why because I keep getting banned for linking “global-socialists” to the UN’s clearly stated “Agenda 21” global government plan.

    “Agenda 21” had been delayed to “2030 Agenda”, but then came President Donald Trump, so “Agenda 21” is back and due for implementation in just five month’s time.

    (145 words)
    https://sdgs.un.org/goals
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Guterres

  8. Shane

    The short answer is yes.
    Anyone who still thinks this is JUST about a virus epidemic with a dead rate of 0.007% & just our normal political bungling is just not thinking straight now that Bolt has folded because up to now the solution that he has been pushing up , was the obvious one of quarantine & HCQ & let the rest of us go back toour normal lives.
    It seems that Trump maybe the only one left who cant be blackmailed.
    Maybe AB has a favourite puppy thats been threatened.

  9. Penny

    Andrew Bolt doesn’t undersatand sociopath/ psychopath behaviour ( of which there are many in politics) The reason why Daniel Andrews fronts up to press conferences is that he truly believes he hasn’t done anything wrong, and thinks by talking he can persuade everyone to his way of thinking, and that fake emotion about his mother is a typical tactic of people like this
    If Daniel Andrews truly cared about the health of Melbourne he would recommend that Doctors immediately start using the HCQ regime, and bugger his dislike of Trump, and stand up against big pharma and big tech

    Dharvi is Asia’s densest slum and only had 71 deaths out of 1,000,000
    Because of the use of HCQ regime
    India the second most populated country in the world has HCQ as early treatment and prophylaxis

    ARE THERE ANY DOCTORS WITH THE FORTITUDE TO STAND UP AMD FIGHT FOR THE USE OF HCQ REGIME AS SOME AMERICANS DOCTORS HAVE !!!

  10. Roger

    Lefties acting in sympathy with their US counterparts. If the drug is seen to be working here it would undermine the narrative in the US.

    That’s a stretch.

    The Commonwealth instituted restrictions of HCQ availability in order to preserve domestic stocks for use in hospital treatment of covid-19 patients. That’s a rational decision – one of the few in this debacle – given that there must be a very high demand that manufacturers may take some time to meet.

  11. Makka

    Now especially why are we not giving it a try?

    Good question. The answer is simple: this SCAMDEMIC is providing the economy wrecking solutions that Socialists only dreamed of and therefore must be manipulated to it’s fullest extent. Anything that does not achieve that end must by all means be resisted until Trump is defeated.

  12. Makka

    The Commonwealth instituted restrictions of HCQ availability in order to preserve domestic stocks for use in hospital treatment of covid-19 patients.

    4 moths ago Hunt stated that very large orders of HCQ were on their way here. Where is it that now?

    So you are saying HCQ treatment is happening here now? Is there anything to support that? I sure hope it is and we should all be knowing about it’s efficacy. If it is and that info is being withheld then that is certainly something we should all be pushing to have access to. Just like the deaths here supposedly from covid, will we ever know the true comorbidity stats ?

    The simple truth is we are being fed bullshit. Every day.

  13. C.L.

    I’ll always have Andrew Bolt’s back.
    He’s put himself on the line for free speech and truth-telling more than we have.

    He calls things from day to day; some things he gets right, some he gets wrong but his heart is definitely in the right place.

  14. wal1957

    The Commonwealth instituted restrictions of HCQ availability in order to preserve domestic stocks for use in hospital treatment of covid-19 patients. That’s a rational decision

    If that is the case, why aren’t they using it?
    If they aren’t using it then it is as rational as the plebs stocking up on toilet paper!

  15. Diogenes

    Was Andrew Bolt got at?

    This what he said last night, totally against what he wrote…

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6176558111001

  16. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Just saw John Campbell say on his regular news update that

    “Even admissions for heart attacks and strokes have gone down. … When we look at collateral damage, […] when we look back on this in a few years’ time it could well be that more people died from the consequences of the pandemic than will die from the virus itself. That’s quite tragic because its difficult to do things about the virus, we know we can do things, but these other things are more under human control.

    It’s like he was close to saying lockdowns are counterproductive but stopped just short of actually saying that. Of course the sane alternative is BAU-plus-masks and he congratulates Nancy Pelosi for mandating masks in Congress, so I don’t expect conservatives to adopt Campbell as a mascot any time soon.

  17. Shy Ted

    A lot of SkyNews is like watching the ABC but then the Murdock kiddies aren’t at all like Dad and Grandad.

  18. A lot of SkyNews is like watching the ABC

    I wouldn’t say that the Outsiders is like Their ABC and Rowan Dean especially is always on point.

  19. Roger:

    The Commonwealth instituted restrictions of HCQ availability in order to preserve domestic stocks for use in hospital treatment of covid-19 patients. That’s a rational decision – one of the few in this debacle – given that there must be a very high demand that manufacturers may take some time to meet.

    It’s only rational if there isn’t a surplus of HCQ to meet expected demand, and you can bet your last dollar that these stock level numbers are now a state secret.

  20. nb

    ‘Lefties acting in sympathy with their US counterparts. If the drug is seen to be working here it would undermine the narrative in the US.’
    This is the only plausible reason. It is unlikely, though possible, that Andrews is obeying the commands of China to trash the Victorian economy.

  21. one old bruce

    I’m a fan of Jo Nova and her commentary on the pandemic and I really think many Cats have the wrong end of the stick on the issue – right from the start when it had an unprecedented impact on health care personnel (Its impact on healthcare frontline workers was initially comparable to Ebola which thankfully has not reached us):

    http://joannenova.com.au/tag/coronavirus/

  22. Tony

    Re: Hydroxychloroquine.

    While the early results were good, and we have all seen the retrospective studies that suggest it works (if you haven’t, see 1 or 2). However, other retrospective studies suggest it doesn’t work (see 3). If you look at the animal studies and the randomised control studies coming out, it may be, at best, a marginally effective treatment, but is probably not a life saving medicine.

    It may work in post-exposure prophylaxis if used straight away (see 4)… by the same token there is evidence from an open-label randomised that post-exposure prophylaxis isn’t effective (see 5). Other papers show that while HCQ and Azith is effective in 2D cultures in vitro, it doesn’t work in more complex models of human lungs, or in non-human primates did not affect viral load and it didn’t work as pre-exposure prophylaxis either (see 6).

    Current results show it doesn’t seem to work in non-hospitalised patients treated 1 day after symptoms appear (see 7). In contrast, this paper does show a small benefit (see 8) though doesn’t appear to be significantly significant. In a very large study, HCQ had no effect in more serious covid patients (see 9).

    HCQ with/without Azithromycin doesn’t seem to work either (see 10).

    As to why we are getting these HCQ results, this paper suggests HCQ may actually be (theoretically) effective (because it does actually prevent endosome acidification and viral entry into the cell0. However, this doesn’t matter as it doesn’t really block the main method of viral entry into the cell (see 11). Hence, whey we might see different results in vitro vs in vivo. So, one hypothesis is that if HCQ is actually to be useful it needs to be combined with other drugs to fully block viral entry. For example, using a drug like camostat mesylate to inhibit tmprss2 enzyme which in turn prevents entry via ACE2.

    So, it is possible HCQ may still work if it is combined with other drugs that block all the other viral entry pathways. However, the usefulness of HCQ + Azith alone or in combo at any stage of covid-19 disease is pretty marginal.

    Apologies for the lack of links, but this many gets moderated, if you want to check my points you will have to google the papers and pre-prints.

    References:
    1. COVID-19 Outpatients – Early Risk-Stratified Treatment with Zinc Plus Low Dose Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin: A Retrospective Case Series Study (Martin Scholz)
    2. Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 (Samia Arshad, International Journal of Infectious Diseases).
    3. Treatment Response to Hydroxychloroquine and Antibiotics for mild to moderate COVID-19: a retrospective cohort study from South Korea (Min Ho An)
    4. Efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine as Prophylaxis for Covid-19 (Marcio Watanabe)
    5. A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease (Oriol Mitja)
    6. Hydroxychloroquine use against SARS-CoV-2 infection in non-human primates (Pauline Maisonnasse, Nature)
    7. Hydroxychloroquine in Nonhospitalized Adults With Early COVID-19, A Randomized Trial (Caleb P. Skipper, Annals of Internal Medicine)
    8. Hydroxychloroquine for Early Treatment of Adults with Mild Covid-19: A Randomized-Controlled Trial (Oriol Mitjà, Clinical Infectious Diseases)
    9. Effect of Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19: Preliminary results from a multi-centre, randomized, controlled trial. (Peter Horby)
    10. Hydroxychloroquine with or without Azithromycin in Mild-to-Moderate Covid-19 (Alexandre B. Cavalcanti, New England Journal of Medicine)
    11. Hydroxychloroquine-mediated inhibition of SARS-CoV-2 entry is attenuated by TMPRSS2 (Tianling Ou)

  23. Gertrude

    While it is appropriate to maintain a rage on behalf of those sinned against, it is also a fine human emotion to show some pity for sinners. The Victorian government, its ministers and senior bureaucrats find themselves in a situation where they are ill equipped to manage. They have made, and continue to make, monstrous blunders. They may be sinners or they may just be incompetent. I think the latter to be more likely. In any event it is a worthy thing to pity a fool as well as a sinner. I respect Andrew Bolt’s humanity.

  24. C.L.

    Rather than people being ‘got at,’ I think what we see constantly on the right is the relatively easy loss of commitment to principle in the face of orchestrated left-wing/media onslaughts.

  25. Infidel Tiger King

    I’m a fan of Jo Nova and her commentary on the pandemic and I really think many Cats have the wrong end of the stick on the issue – right from the start when it had an unprecedented impact on health care personnel (Its impact on healthcare frontline workers was initially comparable to Ebola which thankfully has not reached us):

    Rubbish.

    She’s a loon.

  26. Penny

    SHY TED
    I agree SKY is becoming like the ABC
    What’s happened to Peta Credlin? Is she after a safe liberal seat?
    Bolt interviewed a? Scientist who is conducting trials on HCQ .. it was more a anti Trump rant, I suspect the trail will be set up to fail
    Bolt interviewed professor Harvey Risch from the Yale school of public health who said that 100,000 lives could be saved by using the HCQ regime, but for political reasons it’s not being used, no follow up on that by Bolt, it’s as if oh well nothing to see here
    Jones’s has been a bitter disappointment and don’t get me started “ wear a mask “ Paul Murray
    The fact that the HCQ regime isn’t being used in Australia should be at the beginning, middle and end of every show on sky after 6pm, the PM and state premiers should be dragged kicking and screaming on to these shows to explain why they are letting Australians get sick and die for political reasons

  27. a happy little debunker

    We should thank all our political leaders for their swift actions to ‘flatten the curve’
    We should condemn all our political leaders for then trying to eliminate all the infections…

    They completely failed to update their strategic and policy responses to the pandemic as new information was garnered.

    Also – they have no strategies to extract us from their failures and are hoping for some ‘miracle’ vaccine.

  28. Makka

    So, it is possible HCQ may still work if it is combined with other drugs that block all the other viral entry pathways.

    Ok, so there is a good possibility HCQ does work. Thanks for your input. So, along with the recovery rate now of 98-99% there is no valid reason to destroy our economy. None.

  29. Cynic of Ayr

    You would think you could have an at least semi-intelligent conversation with an old person with the Chinese Virus.
    In my limited experience with people, when one gets old – really old – a sense of inevitability sets in. I knew an old mate who insisted he was gunna go this night, and I agreed. In the morning, he was really cranky that he was still here, and it was my fault!
    Anyway, would you not ask the question along these lines…
    “Mate, you’ve got the Chines Virus. It look like we can’t help you. Would you like to try this HCQ? There’s a very, very remote chance it will harm you, but a reasonable chance it will help you. Without it, the outcome is certain! Whadyathink?”
    But, no, Andrews says…
    “Mate, you’ve got the Chines Virus. It look like we can’t help you. There’s a chance this HCQ stuff might help, but we can’t use that, because we don’t want to take any notice of any medical people other than our favorites. And, Trump suggested it, so it must be harmful, because Trump wants to kill you.”

  30. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Watching Sky of an evening of late has not been good for my blood pressure (thanks goodness I never leave any sledgehammers lying about in the living rooms).

    Crudlin is a windvane, Kenny is embarrassingly expedient, Murray is unwatchable, Jones, while surprisingly sound on many things often wins the award for advocating two completely contradictory viewpoints in record time and Bolt will frequently roll over for a figurative collectivist tummy tickle.

    Bolt’s recent attempted defence of Dunderhead Dan Xi Man was excruciating, although the reactions of Rowan Dean and Rita P made perfect sense. Dean burst out laughing and Rita asked Bolt what insane luvvee idiocy the latter would end up defending next.

    At least Jones has been on point about Andrews every single time and the message has been blunt and uncompromising. Dunderhead Dan XM is an utterly discredited dangerously incompetent dolt who should have either resigned or been punted months ago. The longer he stays, the more he’ll double down on the stupid and the more unnecessary, irreparable damage he’ll inflict on the society and economy of both Victoriastan and VenOztraliastan.

    Goose Morristeen, is of course, totally cool with this. Because after all, we’re all Mosquebournians now.

  31. Tony

    Ok, so there is a good possibility HCQ does work. Thanks for your input. So, along with the recovery rate now of 98-99% there is no valid reason to destroy our economy. None.

    I think if we had been better prepared, then lockdowns can be avoided. We were unprepared, so I think lockdowns may have been the best of a set of bad options. Next pandemic there are a few options that may well help: stockpile of N95 grade masks for the whole population for an extended period. Better mask technology (better materials, embedded anti-viral nanotechnology etc).

    Hopefully, we can also invent some broad-spectrum anti-viral drugs. I think we can also do better at getting convalescent plasma from Aussies locally. My preference is a facility to grow recombinant antibodies (or hyperimmunise livestock) for prophylaxis for the whole population.

  32. Cardimona

    Western leftist politicians and bureaucrats (IOW, all of them) are running the script laid out by China’s UN-WHO.

    Look at it from that perspective and the “incompetence” makes much more sense.

  33. Roger

    So you are saying HCQ treatment is happening here now? Is there anything to support that? I sure hope it is and we should all be knowing about it’s efficacy.

    It’s certainly being used in QLD hospitals.

    There is recognition here that HCQ is efficacious in treating high risk covid-19 patients in a hospital setting. That is not controversial. What we are unsure of is whether it is effective as a prophylactic.
    In the meantime the government sensibly didn’t want millions of Karens flocking to their GPs to get some.

  34. mareeS

    We took HCQ during our various stints in PNG and the Pacific. no ill-effects, no malaria. The weirdos are just indulging their Trumpophobia.

  35. New Chum

    I wonder if money is the reason HCQ is not being used in some places because it is so cheap there is little money to be made from its use. There is a race to find a vaccine by Phama and researchers and a pot of gold at the end of rainbow so do they want a cheep med that is not only a prevention but part of cure.
    Clive Palmer Foundation Has added 32900000 doses of HCQ to the national stockpile so there is plenty of HCQ . http://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/
    Steve here is another video and transcript “BRAVE DOCTORS BREAK DOWN COVID RESPONSE AND THE DEMONIZATION OF HCQ” http://stateofthenation.co/?p=17415

  36. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    the government sensibly

    This does not compute.

  37. Penny

    SPURGEON MONKFISH III
    Scott Morrison is an ideological free zone

  38. pbw

    So, Tony,

    If someone you loved had just been diagnosed with covid-19, would you want her treated with HCQ, probably in combination?

    What if the same person had just been informed that a recent contact had been diagnosed with the disease?

    In either case, would you rather wait 12 months for the dust to settle?

    That’s a good set of references, but it depends on something which can no longer be assumed: the integrity of the medication testing regimes. This is not a problem peculiar to medicinal drug testing; it’s part of the collapse of integrity in “scientific” fields.

    Given you fastidiousness in collecting these papers (for which many thanks) I assume you are familiar with John Ioannides famous 2005 paper. That was written from a purely statistical point of view, assuming that the researchers were behaving with integrity. In the current environment, that can no longer be assumed.

    Psychiatrists are recommending that young people be put on puberty blockers; they are recommending that young women have their breasts cut off, and surgeons are cutting them off, with the assistance of an array of medical staff. The effects of puberty blockers are said to be reversible by some; others quote the scientific evidence that they are not. I don’t know that “science” is being adduced in support of puberty blockers, but I – whom am not a gambling man – wouldn’t mind a small punt that they are.

    Scientific fraud has always been around, but the personal integrity – the spiritual commitment – of most researchers was such that its discovery horrified the community. How widespread is that spirit now?

  39. Makka

    We were unprepared, so I think lockdowns may have been the best of a set of bad options.

    Tony, I think that logic might have flown at the outset in Feb. Here in nearly August, “unpreparedness” is ridiculous to accept. Now, it’s ONLY political. I suspect too you are being far too apologetic for the medical profession advising Govts. Outside the blessed medical profession and Govt’s, our economy will be in ruins for many years for no good reason. And that is without considering the benefits of HCQ. We are being manipulated and taken for fools by Govt secured pay packets whose only interest is in the politics of covid.

    From another thread;

    Leigh Lowe
    #3530003, posted on July 31, 2020 at 10:56 am
    Bwah, ha, ha.
    Nanny Neil on 3AW gives his tame nurse a run talking about “exhaustion and despair and tears”.
    Director of ICU at RMH then comes on …

    “Plenty of capacity, staff availability good, we have solid expansion plans ready to go if needed.”

    Nanny Neil tries to lead the witness several times.
    The Perfesser isn’t having any of it.

    Even with these “cases” daily, Vic is not seeing hospitalizations or ICU stress. It’s a huge beat up.

  40. Makka

    There is recognition here that HCQ is efficacious in treating high risk covid-19 patients in a hospital setting. That is not controversial. What we are unsure of is whether it is effective as a prophylactic.
    In the meantime the government sensibly didn’t want millions of Karens flocking to their GPs to get some.

    Roger even if proven effective in treating high risk patients in a hospital setting as you say, you have just described 80+% of those who have died from covid (the 1.5% of cases who don’t recover). Therefore , this treatment is effective on the high risk population, meaning no valid reason for statewide lockdowns. Currently around 40 in ICO in Vic. Basically, nothing.

    Worried about a few Karen’s on FB? Seriously? Give me a break. What I’m reading here is a medical profession in cahoots with leftist Govt dogma who don’t give a shit about the economy because their jobs are quite safe.

  41. pbw

    I get what Andrew Bolt is saying. I get what he is despair about.

    But not everything is black or white. Not even in these polarised times, which leave me in increasing despair.

    The polarisation is only increasing, That is not the fault of conservatives or libertarians, but we are nonetheless drawn into the vortex. Unless there is some sort of circuit breaker to neutralise this self-perpetuating system, all of the structures around us will be drawn in and destroyed.

    The criticism they get for mistakes should not stop. They won’t fix what no one will point out is broken. But that criticism should come with respect.

    In other words, break the circuit.
    The problem is that the circuit cannot be broken by unilateral action. Chaotic human systems (not quite a contradiction in terms) generally require human sacrifice to re-stabilise. See René Girard. I hate to think what that will be.

  42. PB

    Andrew Bolt was “got at” long ago, like all politicians and journalists in the Western world who seek to retain their place in the pecking order.

  43. Viva

    I seem to recall Bolt admitting on his show to feeling some sympathy for Andrews day after day having to front up with increasingly horrible news from the Covid front. I can’t fault him for that because, regardless, at a basic human level I also have felt the same.

  44. Kneel

    “I think if we had been better prepared, then lockdowns can be avoided.”

    I think if we spent $6B on supporting the vulnerable, instead of $60B+ on the rest of us, it would have worked out much better.

  45. Lee

    I seem to recall Bolt admitting on his show to feeling some sympathy for Andrews day after day having to front up with increasingly horrible news from the Covid front.

    I don’t have the slightest shred of sympathy for a man (Andrews), who, if he had any decency (LOL), would have resigned by now.

  46. Tony

    If someone you loved had just been diagnosed with covid-19, would you want her treated with HCQ, probably in combination?

    If the HCQ was paired with camostat mesylate, sure.

    That said, convalescent antibodies and various interferon treatments have each been shown to get the virus down to zero in like 85% of patients in multiple studies. They aren’t silver bullets, people still die of cytokine storm etc even after the virus is cleared. However, those are proven treatments where treated patients clearly improve over non-treated.

  47. MACK

    Of 5,612 current or “active” cases, only 330 or 6 per cent are receiving hospital care.
    This includes 40 patients in ICU (or 0.7 per cent of current cases).

    If the ADF can fix the aged care mess, Victorians might be out of house arrest soon.

  48. Tony

    Of 5,612 current or “active” cases, only 330 or 6 per cent are receiving hospital care.
    This includes 40 patients in ICU (or 0.7 per cent of current cases).

    If the ADF can fix the aged care mess, Victorians might be out of house arrest soon.

    I think yesterday there were 109 aged care related cases (IIRC like 16 residents). That means most of the other 600 from other clusters. The number of cases with an unknown source has increased 1,181 to 1,698 yesterday, plus another 90+ unknowns from today.

    It’s a long tunnel with not much light at the end.

  49. John A

    Lee #3530180, posted on July 31, 2020, at 1:08 pm

    I seem to recall Bolt admitting on his show to feeling some sympathy for Andrews day after day having to front up with increasingly horrible news from the Covid front.

    I don’t have the slightest shred of sympathy for a man (Andrews), who, if he had any decency (LOL), would have resigned by now.

    The office of Premier deserves respect, yes, but if the person occupying the office is incapable (seemingly) of admitting a mistake, blunder or tragedy, then my level of support/sympathy for the person falls to dangerously low levels. If the person is no longer fit for the office, then s/he needs to a) improve or b) be removed ie. resign or be pushed out.

    Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

  50. pbw

    Thanks Tony.

    So you wouldn’t hold off on HCQ, but would use it in accordance with your best clinical judgement. May I also assume that you are aware of many colleagues, locally and in distant places, whose clinical judgement you respect, who would take a different approach in perfectly good faith?

    Assuming that the answer is yes, I further assume that you are appalled by the suppression by the news media and by the social media juggernauts of opinion by any and all clinicians who are positive about HCQ.

    That, it seems to me, is the critical issue. You have said something positive about HCQ in this context. If you were to post that to Twitter, YouTube or Facebook, your post would likely be removed. Google searches would not find you.

    This is not about science, research methodology or anything of the kind. The above mentioned companies and the news media, for reasons opaque to us hoi-polloi, in totalitarian information control. It beggars belief.

  51. Eyrie

    The Commonwealth instituted restrictions of HCQ availability in order to preserve domestic stocks for use in hospital treatment of covid-19 patients

    My Army contact assures me the ADF has huge stocks of Hyroxychloroquinine, for obvious reasons.

  52. gafa

    Chairman Dan has screwed up so badly (thanks to all his union obligations) that he’s in an utter panic trying to patch holes in his rotting canoe without a paddle.

    I have wondered if, in another hypothetical version of history, the Liberal Party in Victoria were in power during this time and instigating all of Dementor Dan’s policies and actions as he is, would there have been any push-back or revolt from all the Unions and Public Service?

  53. Squirrel

    The line Bolt took in that Herald Sun piece might be a sign of just how bad things are in Victoriastan, and a feeling that it might not be the best time to stir things up too much.

  54. Steve

    I looked at the official govt figures in glorious Soviet Republic of Victoristan for cov19 :

    For 01/7/2020 ( 370 active cases ) – 31/07/2020 ( 5743 active cases ):

    Hospitalizations are gone from 4% to 6% of cases
    ICU cases are 0.5 – 0.7% of cases
    Deaths are 1.9% of cases
    Deaths are 99% in age group 65+

    Now compare to 2019 flu deaths in 2019 in Victoriastan – 334
    As at 31/07/2020 deaths are only 113.

    I also note that they are not releasing “covid deaths” autopsy reports, that may shed light on what percentage of people died from underlying health conditions, and not covid itself.
    If they did, it would destroy the carefully crafted fear p()rn and sanctioned globalist psyop that locks down Victoria like communist state and has police and ADF “gangs” roaming hassling people and police blockades stopping internal travel…just like…a communist state! Testing to see how far the sheeple will allow themselves to be abused and how frequently.

    Oh..hang on….

  55. Perfidious Albino

    The Premier himself also needs to ‘respect the office’ and the people he is actually there to serve. If he had any such respect, he would have fallen on his sword long before now and handed the reins to a clean pair of hands. He hasn’t and doesn’t, so I don’t feel the need to accord him or his office the slightest respect whatsoever. With regards Andrew Bolt, I hate to say it, but like Neil Mitchell I suspect he feels a little vulnerable to the virus himself.

  56. Ozman

    Hydroxychloroquine, marketed as plaquenil, has proven effective against COVID-19 in low doses, as a prophylaxis and therapeutic.

    Hydroxycloroqine is safe. Doctors in Australia are being negligent by not prescribing this for COVID-19. A class action should be brought against the AMA by every person by the relatives of every person who has died from COVID-19 on behalf of their loved ones.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/yale-epidemiologist-accuses-fauci-running-disinformation-campaign

    Studies on hydrocychloroqine
    https://c19study.com

    Doctors talking about the success of Hydroxycloroquine
    https://www.brighteon.com/3571f9ae-ec43-4254-8a56-1a931c250888

    Powerful discussion between Alan Dershowitz and Robert Kennedy

  57. Neenee

    Tony
    #3530009, posted on July 31, 2020 at 11:03 am
    Re: Hydroxychloroquine.

    The 11 studies listed may well suit your argument.

    A more in depth examination would consider the 111 global HCQ studies listed at c19study(dot)com, and the conclusion therein which states “PrEP, PEP, and early treatment studies show high effectiveness, while late treatment shows mixed results.”

    HCQ should be made available immediately when a C19 test is positive. It should be the choice of an individual to take HCQ prophylactically if they wish to do so, just as one may at least 2 weeks before entering a malarial zone.

  58. Chris M

    …for use in hospital treatment of covid-19 patients.

    HCQ is more a GP treatment for Wuhan virus – it works very well by blocking virus replication when used early enough. By the time you are sick enough to be admitted to hospital you are going to be peeing into the wind a bit trying it late stage. The ER types are the doctors that crow ‘it doesn’t work’ because they tried it too late and/or left out the accompanying zinc supplimentation etc.

  59. Struth

    Another thread full of mental leap frogging and straw clutching by those gripped by denialism.
    5 months down the track.
    A fucking sickness that is more prevalent than kung flu.
    They said that in communist Russia when people started going missing , dragged away , , people were still calling it some sort of mistake and it would all be sorted out if they could just get word to Stalin.

  60. Nob

    Andrews et al were quite happy to lap up the approval and make political capital when their COVID numbers looked good, so they can suck it up now that it’s turned to shit.

  61. egg_

    Its impact on healthcare frontline workers was initially comparable to Ebola

    Get your hand off it!

  62. Howard Hill

    Was Andrew Bolt got at?

    No, he was never on the side of good. Just another prestitue to be scorned and bashed whenever encountered!

    Hahah. egg_ watches, AKarenAffair :~)

  63. Bad Samaritan

    One final time…I posted the following in March….from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia: a bulletin to all 32,000 Oz pharmacists…emergency bulletin…

    “On the background of some promising data showing the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 and with President Trump’s announcement yesterday, 20 March 2020, that the drug hydroxychloroquine may support the care of patients affected by COVID-19, Australian community pharmacies have seen unprecedented demand for the drug.

    “PSA is receiving reports from Australian pharmacists that they are receiving prescriptions from: doctors prescribing for other doctors and their families; as well as dentists prescribing to the community and their families; …. it needs to be prescribed and used judiciously. The stock of this medication needs to be managed effectively and utilised for those who may genuinely need it.” etc etc etc….

    Ok, so doctors and dentists already knew the facts for themselves and families 4+ months ago. What we do not know is how many pollies, CMOs, health experts / liarts in general were among the crowd getting it for themselves and families. 100%?

    This is a test. Am I shadow banned for this? Am I Julian Assange’s younger (and prettier) sibling for blowing the whistle all those months ago?

  64. Tony

    @pbx

    May I also assume that you are aware of many colleagues, locally and in distant places, whose clinical judgement you respect, who would take a different approach in perfectly good faith?

    I have met many doctors who are good scientists and plenty who just aren’t. Opinions, even well meaning ones from educated people, are irrelevant. We always have to say “show me the data”. Preferably from blinded, placebo controlled trials. It was clinicians who published the first studies on HCQ. Those studies had great results but were not well designed. The results of every randomised trial coming out now show HCQ has minimal effectiveness. It may not be useless, it may be an effective prophylactic, the data on medical staff will be out soon hopefully. If you already have covid, it may get you out of the hospital a few days earlier. I wish it was a silver bullet, but rigorous analysis suggests its a marginally effective drug.

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