Open Forum: August 1, 2020

This entry was posted in Open Forum. Bookmark the permalink.

3,412 Responses to Open Forum: August 1, 2020

1 12 13 14
  1. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Infidel Tiger King at 10:48 am:

    ” On Israel Folau not taking a knee, listening to sports breakfast broadcaster and former AFL captain Gary Lyon this morning asking in completely baffled tones, ‘Why would you do that ?’

    The same Garry Lyon who rooted his best mate’s wife, destroyed two families and then faked depression?

    Why would you do that?

    Palookas like Lyon don’t have the intellectual aptitude to understand morality.

  2. Boambee John

    Cassie clearly doesn’t understand the difference between race and religion.

    So, a bit like the so-called “progressives” who scream “Waaycism” whenever a Muesli is criticised?

    There is some recent research (go find it yourself, bin chicken) about the strong Hellenic influence in that region, which suggests that some modern pre-conceptions about that area might be off beam.

  3. Steve trickler

    Arson, they say.



  4. Geriatric Mayfly

    Tim Beanie on Chicago leftists (and schoolteachers) insisting that 2+2=5 because of racism and imperialism.

    Out of the attic with the Cuisenaire blocks.
    Two white cubes and another two white cubes makes up 4 white cubes.
    Two black cubes and another two black cubes makes up 5 black cubes.

  5. MatrixTransform

    the first 2 kids used to play in the local brass band
    they did from a young age until VCE time .
    Unit A organised it himself as a 7yo and Unit B fell in-step as a 5yo.

    Monday nights were band night and dad’s taxi was the preferred transport.
    A few years in and it’s the dead of winter and we’re in the car as it warms and I’m going “Colder ‘n a mother-in-law’s kiss etc

    There’s groans and grumbles from the back seat, “Aww leave off Dad you say the same thing every monday…”
    I said, “fine. Then make me up a new one”
    In about 30 seconds Unit B pipes up …

    How about … cold ‘n a penguin’s Pee pee?

  6. dover_beach

    But they never fully explained which curve they were talking about, so in the end it just became a slogan rather than an objective.

    Indeed, and we never seem to consider publicly the projected curves with reality either.

  7. Infidel Tiger King

    1/4 of Australia shut down.

    ASX up.

    Share markets have nothing to do with reality.

  8. The Beer Whisperer

    All of Australia will pay for Labor’s failure in Victoria, but many Victorians seem reluctant to hold their government accountable. A July Newspoll indicated that 61 per cent were satisfied with Andrews’s handling of the coronavirus. While his personal satisfaction rating took a tumble, it was still 57 per cent. It is an extraordinary result given the Victorian government’s plain negligence.

    Then they should be held in lockdown until they do. The productive businesses are already dead, so it makes no difference in that regard.

  9. Maman

    Enormous Thank you to all the Cats who comment here and bring humour and commonsense to the petty and punitive actions of the Victorian Gov. Living in Metro Melbourne now gives you an introduction to what it will be like to live (that really should be ‘exist’) in a Residential Aged Care Facility. This is how it works.

    And for those poor souls who are confined to appts and units with no outside space – pray for them.

    Six weeks!

    And if the premier says one more time that he is ‘proud of us’, what on earth sort of relationship does he think he has with Victorians – Good Grief!!!!

    Though, if there is one positive that comes from this DISASTER it is the dramatic difference demonstrated every day at the press conference of how the Left sees a Person. In the eyes of the Left we are Victims, we are Helpless Children that need to be cajoled and bullied, we are unable to process information and can only be trusted with the most simplistic of data. Ooops, sorry but THANK YOU!!!!

  10. Megan

    The supply chain discussion reminds me of the inner city school kids I once took on an excursion to a Glenburn dairy farm back in the day.

    They had no idea milk came from a cow. Or how it got into a bottle. One of the most mind blowing things for them was when we were back at school and began to look at exactly how many people and things were needed to achieve that seemingly simple objective successfully.

    One seemingly trivial breakdown in that process that cannot be fixed ripples further and further out. Struth is absolutely right on this one. A milk processing machine that has stripped a screw or a breakdown on the carton manufacturing, or the absence of new bottles of printing ink, still in the containers on the ship in Melbourne, will compound up and down the supply line until it slowly grinds to a stop.

    If my grade 5 could grasp the concept back then it shouldn’t be that hard for a grown adult to recognise where the weaknesses in Dan’s current stupidity of blanket shutdown will lead. The fall from the ladder of chaos will be hard and painful.

    It seems that hard lessons are the only way the vast majority of people learn. I’ve got the popcorn ready for when a failure in the supply chain stops newspapers from being printed or a tv studio from operating. The looks on the germalists faces as reality dawns will be priceless.

    I’ll make a bet that there isn’t a business continuity plan anywhere in this state that has prepared for the consequences of this black swan event*.

    *the virus is not a black swan. The response most definitely is.

  11. Fisky

    Hear hear Mr Trump! Just how it oughta be!!

    The Hill
    @thehill
    · 7h
    #BREAKING: President Trump says TikTok must be bought by US company and pay cut of selling price into US Treasury: “Right now they don’t have any rights unless we give it to them.”

  12. MemoryFault

    Hello Steve,

    Thanks for the music posted over the last two nights.
    I haven’t been in a position to thank you at the time, but I enjoyed the tracks.

  13. Megan

    I don’t want the Bat Eared Moron to be proud of me. 🤮🤮🤮

    I want him to explain why we are enduring a more severe lockdown for far longer than anywhere else in the world.

  14. Makka

    Share markets have nothing to do with reality.

    Some discussion the other day about some share issue or other. Outside the penny and speccie insider traded resources stocks, there’s only one reality that matters in the vast majority of the ASX. The correlation with the S&P500. Which is pretty much 1 give or take a few .1’s now and again.

  15. Some History

    Daily briefing.

    Vic Police Commissioner has the sniffles on air.

    We will fine you, detain you, arrest you, whatever is necessary, if you are not complying with the Chief Health Officer guidelines.

    That’s where the problem is – the CHO. These fools have created a Police State.

  16. MatrixTransform

    The productive businesses are already dead

    not quite dead yet.
    and everybody told me I was a fool to hold cash.

    all our subbies are zombies as are many of our cohort and competitors.
    there’s one in particular that I’m gonna put on life support.

    the others will have to eat each other

  17. Boambee John

    jo

    Thanks for that, knew it had never been completed. Another great naval museum in Sasebo near Nagasaki.

    See comments from Zatara and Zulu.

    I had confused Musashi with Shinano. Musashi was completed, and sunk at Leyte Gulf.

  18. MatrixTransform

    I don’t know if she can access the Cat at the moment, but I know in the past she always has once she was back on her feet, and was grateful for such input.

    stfu

  19. Mater

    dover_beach
    #3534892, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:37 am

    But they never fully explained which curve they were talking about, so in the end it just became a slogan rather than an objective.

    Indeed, and we never seem to consider publicly the projected curves with reality either.

    Sutton admitted in the press conference yesterday that Level 3 restrictions had already ‘flattened the curve’ and created a plateau. They are going for something else.

    Go to 23:12 (about) to hear him say it clearly.
    https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/2753989738172197/

  20. Makka

    That’s where the problem is – the CHO. These fools have created a Police State.

    No, the POLICE have created the Police State. This is the most politicized Police force in the nation and they want every one in Vic to know it.

  21. The Beer Whisperer

    C.L.
    #3534860, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:15 am
    The Daily Mail has somehow acquired the body-cam footage of two of the officers dealing with George Floyd from go to wo.

    Nice to see evidence support the speculation. This was said right at the start and supported by the coroner’s report, the earlier released bodycam audio, and now the actual bodycam video.

    A “conspiracy theory” proofed.

  22. OT

    I tried to call Telstra to tell them I do not want their upgraded data proposed to happen automatically on Sept 30 (if I did not advise them to that effect).
    They offer a number to call, yet due to “the trouble times” we live in they are only accepting vital calls. The voice advised me to get the fucking app, sent me a text message and hung up after saying “Thx for your time”.
    This aggravated my already telstra caused anger( sorry Rex), so I left them some feedback which included expletively placed expletives.
    It, telstra, has a virtual assistant named ironically Codi. Well that thing could not assist me to empty my back passage of the shit that it has become.
    Telstra has become a precursor to big brother. It makes the rules, it forces it’s own principles and policies down every persons throat. It still has a monopoly on mobile coverage in some remote areas such as where I live and it exploits that monopoly almost as bad as the homo leprechaun.

    Why did the PMG or Telecom have to go? And look at the fucken mess the alphabetsoupstrainer mad of the Post Office!! They privatise these entities and still we have an over explosion of pubic servants.

    Yes Optus!!!

    God fuck me dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. mh

    Alex Jones’ Infowars got a mention on 4 Corners.

  24. dover_beach

    Excellent thread that counters the claim that Sweden erred in its COVID strategy. It also neatly rebuffs the foolishness of ABC broadcaster, Raph Epstein.

    The question needs to be asked: how did Sweden likely get this right and do so going against the grain?

  25. C.L.

    I was the first person to raise the Floyd incident here and was initially shocked by the video.
    Goes to show how foolish it is to come to conclusions without all the evidence.

    I now believe Derek Chauvin is probably the most calumniated and falsely demonised man in modern American history. He should, by rights, be acquitted but that won’t happen because no jury will risk the mass killings that would inevitably ensue. It’s worth remembering that crowds of black Americans noisily celebrated the acquittal of OJ Simpson.

  26. rugbyskier

    Smiggins is closing down early, at the end of this week.
    Jindabyne will be full of cashless young people with rental commitments, landlords with tenants that skip town, businesses with fewer customers, and a general feeling of gloom.
    Not a happy winter tourist spot at all.

    This is false information. Smiggins is not a separate resort, it’s part of Perisher which is open and will be so for the foreseeable future. All the NSW resorts, with the exception of Selwyn which was badly damaged in the summer bushfires, are operating but have changed procedures due to the current situation. The road up from Jindabyne gets closed occasionally due to the number of snow players who are not allowed in the national park but people who have lift tickets are still able to ski.

  27. Some History

    Makka
    #3534910, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:49 am
    That’s where the problem is – the CHO. These fools have created a Police State.

    No, the POLICE have created the Police State. This is the most politicized Police force in the nation and they want every one in Vic to know it.

    No, the root of the problem is Public Health. Elected officials have simply acquiesced to whatever PH claims, whatever PH demands. The police is the muscle put behind PH edicts.

  28. stackja

    PMG letters and telegrams.
    Then people got phones.
    Singapore Telephone different?

  29. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Boambee John at 11:32 am (quoting some ignorant nong):

    “Cassie clearly doesn’t understand the difference between race and religion.

    So, …”

    There are some statements here you just know are not worthy of the time spent tracking back to understand them.

  30. Shy Ted

    Somewhere at a university in Oz the next generation prepares for leadership. I think.

  31. It’s now half a year since the WZV entered Australia and the people whose responsibility it is to control the damn thing still haven’t got their shit together.
    This not just a national ‘disaster’, it’s a bloody disgrace.

  32. stackja

    C.L. – MSM don’t like the full facts. Spoils the narrative. OJ played the game.

  33. Infidel Tiger King

    Lisa Abramowicz
    @lisaabramowicz1
    ·
    8h
    As many as 25,000 stores are expected to close in the U.S. in 2020, mostly in shopping malls: Coresight Research

  34. Cassie of Sydney:

    Ah yes..those quality “imports”. What did I call them a few months ago….scum, peasants and trash.

    You forgot liars, Cassie.
    You get a free pass this time, but Uncle Dan has his eye on you.
    Troublemaker.
    🙂

  35. rickw

    Rick, now would be the time to be picking up a quality CNC machine, no?

    Quality CNC machines are starting to flow into the market, “purchased for job which has been cancelled” is a pretty common comment. Prices seem to be pre-COVID levels, pain not yet extensive enough to force prices down, but that will come as businesses need to right size floor space or even go back to working from garages.

    Tips for buying used CNC machines:

    1). MUST have original as supplied manuals with it. Machines go through a continuous improvement so it is very important to have the documentation that represents the particular iteration.

    2). Work out what tooling comes with it, worth big $ new, you also don’t necessarily want to deep dive into doing tool setting.

    3). Understand what they are using to generate their toolpaths. My thinking as that some CAM programs are particularly brutal on machines, especially the ballscrews.

    4). General machine condition, including looking for physical or verbal evidence of any big crashes.

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    Soros linked Election “Integrity” Group war-gaming how to seize power or obfuscate the result if Trump wins.

    The Breitbart version is fun:

    Democrats’ ‘War Game’ for Election Includes West Coast Secession, Possible Civil War (2 Aug)

    In one scenario, John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.

    The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces

    Why would the Right send in the military? The Left Coast is best left to being lefty. Just deport any Antifa anywhere else in the remaining USA over the border into LA LA land.

    For those poor souls stuck in LA and want out Kurt Russell will learn them: 9Go helpfully has Escape From LA on around 10:30pm tonight.

  37. MemoryFault

    people whose responsibility it is to control the damn thing still haven’t got their shit together.

    On the contrary, Winston.
    The people in control are delighted with the results so far.
    Your mistake is in thinking that they have any responsibility to you.
    They don’t.
    Your only involvement is to vote every three or four years, and pay for it all between elections.

  38. Floyd was off his tree.

    So that was why a policeman kneeled on his neck for nine minutes until he died.
    Serves him right…

  39. Some History

    The Hunchback keeps saying it. Our decisions are based on the Public Health team. The Public Health team only has a hammer where everything looks like a nail. And it’s taken that hammer to the very ideas that make a relatively free society relatively free, e.g., freedom of movement and freedom of assembly determined as illegal.

  40. vr

    If peeps are going to post Patsy Cline covers, here is my favorite..

  41. The Beer Whisperer

    C.L.
    #3534916, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:56 am
    I was the first person to raise the Floyd incident here and was initially shocked by the video.
    Goes to show how foolish it is to come to conclusions without all the evidence.

    I remember, CL, but the video WAS damning. I realised soon enough that his containment was likely consistent with police protocol in that jurisdiction, but they made matters worse by upgrading the charges to a level which cannot likely be maintained in court under the circumstances.

    Fortunately, Pantifa and BLM have long blown the charade that their rioting is about George Floyd anyway, so there’s no good reason to convict him, at least for 2nd degree murder.

  42. Farmer Gez:

    On top of this will be the response of farmers to prices at sale. Farmers could choose to hang on to spring lambs longer to bypass the lockdown and then supply the heavier weights that are popular overseas.

    The farmers will hag on to the animals they don’t have contracts for, and sell them in ?six months time.
    The contract ones will come out of the two thirds that can go through the abattoirs, and the Australian market will cop the shortages.
    Wonderful, Maximum Leader Dan.
    (Do I need that last comma?)
    Wonderful Maximum Leader Dan.
    (Nah. It’s all good.)

  43. Zatara

    The Left Coast is best left to being lefty.

    Many counties in Oregon and Washington State are considering just that. They are sick and tired of the leftist bullshit and are beginning to discuss leaving and joining the state of Idaho.

    The pink line down the center is the current border(s).

    Unthinkable? A year ago yes. Not anymore.

  44. Geriatric Mayfly

    Grating as it is, “Team Member” seems to be the descriptor most used to suggest a happy band of wage slaves all duty bound. Not so it seems with the Hunchback as Team Leader. Apart from the odd bray from nannies like Lisa Neville, the rest of The Team have disappeared. I guess the fear is that one of the clowns might misspeak and the story telling is best left in the hands of Leader Maximus.

  45. Boambee John

    Speaking of supply chains.

    Tried to get a prescription filled this morning. Three different chemists shops, not available at any, comes from China, no information on when it might become available.

  46. Gab

    ”People are entitled to their opinions but not when its unlawful” verbatim, just now, by Vic Police Chief Commissioner Patton

  47. Boambee John

    Many counties in Oregon and Washington State are considering just that.

    Parts of California also want to secede and join reality elsewhere.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    ” On Israel Folau not taking a knee, listening to sports breakfast broadcaster and former AFL captain Gary Lyon this morning asking in completely baffled tones, ‘Why would you do that ?’

    The same Garry Lyon who rooted his best mate’s wife, destroyed two families and then faked depression?

    Why would you do that?“

    Ah yes.
    The same Garry Lyon who has been touted as the potential coach and saviour of Melbourne FC on a regular basis for the last 20 years (by Garry and his buddies).
    Every time Melbourne lose 3-4 in a row, one of Garry’s journo mates runs with something like …

    “Sources close to the Melbourne board are refusing to rule out an approach to former club great Garry Lyon to take over the reins as senior coach…”

    Garry is then asked about it for a week. He just sits there with a shit-eating grin, mouthing vague half-denials which feed the rumours.
    After the week of white-anting is up he then says he is “too busy with his media and adultery activities to coach” and throwing in “at this stage” implying that he might be up for it in the near future.
    He has a perfect coaching record:-
    Games coached – 0
    Wins – 0
    Losses – 0
    Draws 0.

  49. vr

    Tried to get a prescription filled this morning. Three different chemists shops, not available at any, comes from China, no information on when it might become available.

    One well-known drug made by Pfizer is out-of-stock until Nov. It has been hard to find since April.

  50. Old School Conservative

    This is false information. Smiggins is not a separate resort, it’s part of Perisher

    True, rugbyskier.
    Now tell me how all the Smiggins employees will be moved over to Perisher, getting the same amount of shifts and hours, and collecting the same value paycheque from Perisher.
    Also explain how the staff layoffs which have already started won’t effect Jindabyne.
    While you’re at it, also explain how the now smaller acreage available for skiers can still accomodate the numbers of skiers who will want to switch from Smiggins to Perisher.
    If Wuhan Flu restrictions are in place for the whole resort, surely the number of punters going up the mountain will have to decrease as one of two hills close down.

  51. Mark A

    m0nty
    #3534767, posted on August 4, 2020 at 9:58 am

    The historical and biblical Jesus was Caucasian.

    Oh dear. I don’t remember when Moses lead his people through the Caucasian mountains, I thought he was Egyptian.

    M0nty pls, be quiet, you are revealing ignorance beyond your previous.
    A slave is now of the of the slaver?

  52. Some History

    From today’s presser.

    The Hunchback: We’re doing exactly what Public Health – the “experts” – tell us. That’s the “right” thing to do.

    Public Health is running the show. The Hunchback is getting nastier by the day. Beware “non-conformers”. If the infection rates in other States rose, elected officials there would do exactly the same thing as the Hunchback – acquiesce to Public Health (the “experts”).

  53. Infidel Tiger King

    One well-known drug made by Pfizer is out-of-stock until Nov. It has been hard to find since April.

    Viagra?

  54. Zatara

    Parts of California also want to secede and join reality elsewhere.

    Indeed Boambee John, that would be the new state of ‘Jefferson’.

    ‘Rebellion in California’. Note that was written in 2016. It’s not just a quaint idea anymore.

  55. MatrixTransform

    by Vic Police Chief Commissioner Patton

    I want Ashton back … at least had nothing to say

  56. dover_beach

    ” On Israel Folau not taking a knee, listening to sports breakfast broadcaster and former AFL captain Gary Lyon this morning asking in completely baffled tones, ‘Why would you do that ?’

    Why would you take a knee for BLM?

  57. Some History

    Public Health HQ is the UN agency, the World Hoovering Organization (WHO).

  58. Jesus was *white* because…in all likelihood, he was a well tanned white guy.

    Yep I’m counting Palis as white. Hmm. Must be racist. etc.

    Jesus was not black unless Julius Caesar and Nebuchannezar were black. Maybe William I of England was black too.

    Well tanned, LOL.

    Caesar was Italian so white, Nebuchadnezzar was Babylonian so not white.

    Jesus was not black as we use the word today, but he most certainly was not white.

  59. thefrollickingmole

    Fist bellend on the moon is doing a “numberwang”.

    Oldies are in a home, so the people responsible for them definitely isnt him.

    Shows some awareness of having dogged it by callously chucking his wrinklies into “death camp” but then packages that guilt up into “its capitalism fault” and ” the government should do more’.

    What is it about miserable moral vacuums and their attempts to blame society/capitalism for their own moral failures?
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/31/our-relatives-are-carted-into-the-maw-of-underpaid-overworked-profit-at-all-costs-aged-care

  60. The Beer Whisperer

    acquiesce to Public Health (the “experts”).

    NSW Health executives have a horrid reputation in other departments, and for good reason. They are toxic, stupid and corrupt. Once they get a foothold, they bring in their mates and make enemies wherever they go. They don’t know anything, and have no interest in getting along. They surround themselves with goons and spend all their time pursuing personal agenda and avoiding scrutiny.

    That anyone from NSW Health gets to call the shots over everybody is frightening indeed.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    OK.
    The Cardigan Commando Branding and Marketing Sub-committee has tabled a short-list of marching songs, to be voted on by the Marching Accompaniment Sub-Committee:-
    1. Hail to the Bus-driver;
    2. I’m a Logistician (and I’m OK);
    3. The Wheels on the Bus go Round and Round;
    4. Sikh Dazed on the Road (a tribute to chickin truck drivers).

  62. Gab

    Who cares what the colour of His skin was!! His message is the most important.

    Shameful people.

  63. C.L.

    Monty knows what Jesus looked like.

  64. Some History

    Jesus was not black as we use the word today, but he most certainly was not white.

    What about Jesus NOW?

  65. 2dogs

    Caesar was Italian so white, Nebuchadnezzar was Babylonian so not white.

    Jesus was not black as we use the word today, but he most certainly was not white.

    Where in the Aegean/Turkey are you drawing that line, Monty?

  66. vr

    IT

    Viagra?

    No. Norimin and Bervinor (the pill).

  67. Gab

    ”One man in his 70s, one man and three women in their 80s, two men and three women in their 90s and one woman who was in her 100s”

    and this is why the economy is being destroyed. May they rest in peace, they had sooo many years ahead of them

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Monty knows what Jesus looked like.

    Monty was standing next to our Lord and saviour at the Alamo, didn’t you know?

  69. Roger

    Who cares what the colour of His skin was!! His message is the most important.

    It is notable that there is no physical description of Jesus in the Gospels.

  70. MatrixTransform

    Frankston apparently trending on Twatter.

    some mole body slammed some Karens or something like that

  71. Fisky

    Microsoft statement. Looks like a yuuuge win for MAGAnomics. All hail the God Emperor!

    Following a conversation between Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and President Donald J. Trump, Microsoft is prepared to continue discussions to explore a purchase of TikTok in the United States.

    Microsoft fully appreciates the importance of addressing the President’s concerns. It is committed to acquiring TikTok subject to a complete security review and providing proper economic benefits to the United States, including the United States Treasury.

    Microsoft will move quickly to pursue discussions with TikTok’s parent company, ByteDance, in a matter of weeks, and in any event completing these discussions no later than September 15, 2020. During this process, Microsoft looks forward to continuing dialogue with the United States Government, including with the President.

    Haha eat shit Communist scum

  72. rickw

    Can someone explain what happens with the State of Disaster declaration timing?

    I think the State of Disaster declaration was a commentary on the quality of government, no?

  73. C.L.

    There was a blow-up a few years ago about how Cleopatra should be played by black actresses. But her Ptolemy ancestors were Macedonian Greeks and so were their queens. It’s highly unlikely she was black. She probably resembled Star Trek’s Deanna Troi (an all-time favourite hottie).

  74. Leigh Lowe

    MatrixTransform

    #3534985, posted on August 4, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    Frankston apparently trending on Twatter.

    some mole body slammed some Karens or something like that

    It’s Franger.
    Business as usual.

  75. Gab

    Oh and none of the other 63 genders have died.

  76. Sinclair Davidson

    So there is plenty of viagra and a shortage of the pill?

    Excellent.

    That public debt is not going to pay itself people.

  77. vr

    Sinc — No need for a baby bonus.

    re. pill there are more expensive (relatively speaking) versions available.

  78. duncanm

    Vic, you’re fucked.

    This is what police believe is the right thing to do..

    “On at least three or four occasions in the last week, we’ve had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details because they weren’t telling us where they were going, they weren’t adhering to the Chief Health Officer guidelines, they weren’t providing their name and address.”

  79. C.L.

    That public debt is not going to pay itself people.

    One for mum, one for dad and three for Victoria.

  80. rickw

    and this is why the economy is being destroyed. May they rest in peace, they had sooo many years ahead of them

    When we talk about this issue we should avoid using the term “economy”, but rather talk about it in terms of destruction of peoples lives. The current crop of mongs think the economy is something abstract and independent of everything else, when it obviously isn’t.

  81. MatrixTransform

    That public debt is not going to pay itself people.

    breaking:
    Beloved Maximum Leader has declared no more than 6 family members per room in Melbourne dog boxes

  82. thefrollickingmole

    Jesus was *white* because…in all likelihood, he was a well tanned white guy.

    I quite like Talibs take on a lot of this stuff.
    Most of the early civilization/religious stuff was by people who were meds/lebs in appearance.

    https://twitter.com/wandlearner/status/1287910597674315777

    White supremacist types get annoyed when he dismisses them as “nordics’ and therefore not part of the Greek/Roman early civilizations.

  83. Andreas

    Jesus as depicted in ~500 AD Egypt.

    Looks pretty white to me, as do a lot of people form the Middle East.

  84. rickw

    This is what police believe is the right thing to do..

    “On at least three or four occasions in the last week, we’ve had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details because they weren’t telling us where they were going, they weren’t adhering to the Chief Health Officer guidelines, they weren’t providing their name and address.”

    Keyword: Guidelines.

    The corrupt, incompetent and vicious Vicpol is smashing windows because of guidelines.

    Why should citizens be armed? When they don’t pose any threat to illegal orders, those illegal orders will be carried out without a second thought.

    Victoria is a Safe Space for conducting illegitimate policing.

  85. Roger

    When we talk about this issue we should avoid using the term “economy”, but rather talk about it in terms of destruction of peoples lives. The current crop of mongs think the economy is something abstract and independent of everything else, when it obviously isn’t.

    +1000

  86. rugbyskier

    True, rugbyskier.
    Now tell me how all the Smiggins employees will be moved over to Perisher, getting the same amount of shifts and hours, and collecting the same value paycheque from Perisher.
    Also explain how the staff layoffs which have already started won’t effect Jindabyne.
    While you’re at it, also explain how the now smaller acreage available for skiers can still accomodate the numbers of skiers who will want to switch from Smiggins to Perisher.
    If Wuhan Flu restrictions are in place for the whole resort, surely the number of punters going up the mountain will have to decrease as one of two hills close down.

    All of the NSW resorts are operating on reduced staff as they have foreign staff who haven’t been able to come to Australia this year and they are operating on around 40% capacity to maintain physical distancing requirements. The resorts have limited the number of tickets sold this year and when they reach capacity the roads up from Jindabyne are closed and you can only get through if you’re staff, have accommodation booked and/or have a lift ticket.

    If Perisher is closing the lifts at Smiggins it’s likely that the staff will be redeployed to Blue Cow, Perisher or Guthega. In a normal year Perisher starts closing areas of the resort in early September as the demand drops. Thredbo isn’t operating all its lifts either as there aren’t enough lift operators nor the demand.

    The way you wrote it gives the impression that the whole resort is closing, which is incorrect. Perisher, Thredbo and Charlotte Pass will continue to operate until the end of the season unless the restrictions in NSW are hardened. Yes they are operating at reduced staffing and capacity and that has a flow on effect in Jindabyne, but the resorts and the Snowy Monaro community don’t need misinformation bandied about either.

  87. dover_beach

    Caesar was Italian so white, Nebuchadnezzar was Babylonian so not white.

    This is plumbing the depths even for Monty.

  88. MemoryFault

    The current crop of mongs think the economy is something abstract and independent of everything else, when it obviously isn’t.

    The economy?
    Isn’t that the big green thing outside I just emptied the kitchen tidy into?

  89. Makka

    ”One man in his 70s, one man and three women in their 80s, two men and three women in their 90s and one woman who was in her 100s”

    And all in Aged Care.

  90. Top Ender

    The decision to give special permission for 400 worshippers to gather at a mosque to celebrate Eid despite COVID-19 restrictions has been slammed by local officials, who claim they were not even told about the exemption.

    Social distancing restrictions in New South Wales prevent more than 100 people from gathering in places of worship.

    But NSW Health gave permission for four times that number to attend the Auburn Gallipoli Mosque in western Sydney on Friday for Eid al-Adha prayers – a major religious event in the Islamic calendar.

    Worshippers had to wear masks, but Cumberland City Council Mayor Steve Christou said he was ‘absolutely livid’ the state government would risk the health of residents during a pandemic.

    Daily Mail

  91. Boambee John

    “On at least three or four occasions in the last week, we’ve had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details because they weren’t telling us where they were going, they weren’t adhering to the Chief Health Officer guidelines, they weren’t providing their name and address.”

    But some bloke could be tailed by VikPol for hours, hoon around outside Flinders St Station for a while, that drive away, knocking pedestrians over and killing half a dozen, and police “protocols” prevented any action before the killing started?

  92. Top Ender

    The decision to give special permission for 400 worshippers to gather at a mosque to celebrate Eid despite COVID-19 restrictions has been slammed by local officials, who claim they were not even told about the exemption.

    Social distancing restrictions in New South Wales prevent more than 100 people from gathering in places of worship.

    But NSW Health gave permission for four times that number to attend the Auburn Gallipoli Mosque in western Sydney on Friday for Eid al-Adha prayers – a major religious event in the Is lamic calendar.

    Worshippers had to wear masks, but Cumberland City Council Mayor Steve Christou said he was ‘absolutely livid’ the state government would risk the health of residents during a pandemic.

    Link

  93. Old School Conservative

    The way you wrote it gives the impression that the whole resort is closing

    OK, I see the crossed lines of communication. Yes – just the Smiggins part of the whole resort is closing down.
    Just trying to alert Cats to yet another big business cutting back its operations and the flow on effects to average citizens as a result of Big Government.
    The snow cams are showing good snow at the moment so it’s a bad time to shut down part of the operations.

  94. thefrollickingmole

    Given the age ranges I strongly suspect many dies WITH Covid not so much OF covid.

    We are told some have existing health conditions, I wonder what % were COPD or similarly affected?
    https://twitter.com/wandlearner/status/1287910597674315777/photo/1

    If its the case many were COPD then deaths are extremely likely anytime there is a decline in health for any reason.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

  95. Makka

    Some History,

    I’m not disputing that Health are providing stupid and seriously damaging recommendations for the Vic lockdown. That’s a given. But it is the Police who are the enforcers. Without Police tyranny backing the Health stupidity, you have no Police State. Don’t make the mistake of believing VicPol are helpless minions doing the legwork of the Health morons. The Police are the enforcers creating the Police State.

  96. Roger

    We are told some have existing health conditions…

    How many people 70+ don’t have existing medical conditions?

  97. thefrollickingmole

    Roger

    About SFA, Ive got some 40 year old on site who are testaments to pharmacology.

  98. rugbyskier

    OSC, no argument there. It’s interesting that the rest of the skiing/snowboarding world is watching Australia as the operating procedures for this winter here will guide them for the 20/21 northern winter.

    Perisher is owned by Vail Resorts, one of the largest ski resort operators in the world so whatever is trialled at Perisher will guide operations at Vail and Whistler. Thredbo is owned by ASX-listed Event Hospitality but is a member of the Mountain Collective group of independent resorts and resorts like Jackson Hole in Wyoming are in contact with Thredbo to see what procedures are working and what’s not.

    It’s a very different snow season in the mountains this year.

  99. MatrixTransform

    incentives:
    $300 to take the test and more to test(+)ve and a bunch more to stay home

    disincentives:
    $1650 fine and a broken window for venturing out in the first place

    polis: driver, where you going and where you been skank?
    me: I’m going for a covid test (cough)
    polis: gives beating anyway for winding down window and endangering polis lives

  100. Makka

    About SFA, Ive got some 40 year old on site who are testaments to pharmacology.

    Most sites I’ve worked on have around 30% on some kind of medication or other. Mostly psyche related. All ages. It has to be declared.

  101. MemoryFault

    Given the age ranges I strongly suspect many dies WITH Covid not so much OF covid.

    Yes.
    And by the same logic the biggest killer of all in this country is undoubtedly cold sores.
    After all, if tested, over 90% of the adult population would show positive for the herpes simplex virus.

  102. Dr Faustus

    “On at least three or four occasions in the last week, we’ve had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details…

    Stage 5 Lockdan will be a panic:

    Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said on Wednesday [December 18 2019] that police will buy 300 AR-15 30-shot semi-automatic rifles, with the guns expected to be delivered by the middle of next year.

    Last year police bought hard-edge riot gear including 15 semi-automatic 175-shot pepper-ball rifles that fire capsicum rounds, 40 millimetre launchers that fire hard, squash-ball-like projectiles, stinger grenades that can be rolled into a crowd and flash/noise distraction devices designed to shock and disperse violent crowds.

    Shock and awe.

  103. twostix

    “On at least three or four occasions in the last week, we’ve had to smash the windows of cars and pull people out to provide details because they weren’t telling us where they were going, they weren’t adhering to the Chief Health Officer guidelines, they weren’t providing their name and address.”

    Anyone ever arrested over that girl being gang bashed on video in the Melbourne train station?

    Welcome to hell Victorians. You created this.

  104. max

    Professional gamblers: Cat Hulbert and Celina Lin
    The Conversation
    Professional gamblers from the US and China swap tips on how to psych out opponents and stay the course, and discuss the highs and lows of playing cards for money.

    The younger chick here grew up in Melbourne and won a couple of big Red Dragon tournaments in Macau. I had no idea the pro poker circuit was such a big thing, with its own celebrities and magazines etc.
    The older American (62) is much more seasoned: gamblers are mostly takers. Not a fan of mueslis who don’t like to lose to a woman: she laid an Iranian out with a drink bottle at the table in Vegas.

    Professional gamblers: Cat Hulbert and Celina Lin

  105. Tel

    I’m not disputing that Health are providing stupid and seriously damaging recommendations for the Vic lockdown. That’s a given. But it is the Police who are the enforcers.

    I thought that the police were LAW enforcement?!?

    The health “experts” only issue guidelines.

  106. Dr Faustus

    And by the same logic the biggest killer of all in this country is undoubtedly cold sores.

    Gingivitis.
    Always floss.

  107. Top Ender

    A mask-dodging Frankston woman could be jailed after allegedly smashing a police officer’s head into the ground several times during a confrontation on Monday.

    It is alleged the 38-year-old Frankston woman assaulted two female police officers after she was approached and questioned for not wearing a face covering in Frankston’s CBD about 5pm.

    It is alleged the woman pushed one police officer and struck the other police officer’s head into the ground several times into the concrete floor before being restrained and arrested.

    Herald-Sun

  108. duncanm

    A mask-dodging Frankston woman could be jailed after allegedly smashing a police officer’s head into the ground

    2+2=5

    It used to be that masked people attacked police.

  109. MemoryFault

    It is alleged the woman pushed one police officer and struck the other police officer’s head into the ground several times into the concrete floor before being restrained and arrested.

    Demonstrating once again the wisdom of not criticising a woman’s choice of makeup.

  110. Old School Conservative

    struck the other police officer’s head into the ground several times into the concrete floor before being restrained and arrested.

    One woman beat up two female Police Officers, delivering significant head injuries to one.
    Say it isn’t so.
    As Shreck would say, there are so many layers to this.

  111. Struth

    Stay calm, do nothing.

    It will all be over soon.

    about the year 2100.

  112. MemoryFault

    about the year 2100.

    No, about mid-September.
    This year.

  113. Infidel Tiger King

    Jesus was not black as we use the word today, but he most certainly was not white.

    Jesus looked like your average Med fisherman does today.

  114. rickw

    As Shreck would say, there are so many layers to this.

    Indeed!!

  115. gafa

    Anyway Victorians are putting up with this, such a draconian , hard core, Curfewed lock down it’s made international news and the President of the US has made fun of it, and still nothing.
    Not a peep.

    Says anonymous someone with no actual skin in the game. Quick send another email. Are you going to pay “protesters” fines for them? I thought not. Do as I say not as I do, ffs.

    Since then instead of admitting you were wrong about….everything you’ve settled into a coping mechanism of Victorian passive aggressive henpecking against people who were right about everything.
    Right about everything and yet here we are. No point being right if you don’t do anything about it except a bit of anonymous forum backslapping, rah rah jolly good chaps, ffs.

  116. rickw

    Stage 5 Lockdan will be a panic:

    Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said on Wednesday [December 18 2019] that police will buy 300 AR-15 30-shot semi-automatic rifles, with the guns expected to be delivered by the middle of next year.

    Last year police bought hard-edge riot gear including 15 semi-automatic 175-shot pepper-ball rifles that fire capsicum rounds, 40 millimetre launchers that fire hard, squash-ball-like projectiles, stinger grenades that can be rolled into a crowd and flash/noise distraction devices designed to shock and disperse violent crowds.

    Shock and awe.

    Interesting timing.

    Gear ordered, delivered, put into service, just in time for a Government Mandated Crisis.

  117. jo

    Boambee John
    #3534903, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:46 am

    jo

    Thanks for that, knew it had never been completed. Another great naval museum in Sasebo near Nagasaki.

    See comments from Zatara and Zulu.

    I had confused Musashi with Shinano. Musashi was completed, and sunk at Leyte Gulf.

    Leyte Gulf was Yamato

  118. Top Ender

    Stage 5 is out there!

    When Daniel Andrews warned Victoria faced the prospect of even more draconian Stage Five restrictions if the state’s infection numbers did not come down, many wondered just how much further could Melbourne go?

    Well, according to University of Melbourne disease expert Professor Tony Blakely, the Premier could impose still even more stringent restrictions.

    While there’s no suggestion Stage Five measures will be required, if they are, they won’t be fun.

    Professor Blakely said a hypothetical next stage could include 1km travel limits for Melbourne residents, grocery shopping restrictions and even wearing a mask within the home.

    Stage Five would also likely see the total closure of the construction industry – which has so far been spared tough restrictions – plus the end of contactless takeaway food purchases.

    Daily Mail

  119. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Leyte Gulf was Yamato

    Yamoto was dispatched on a suicide mission to Okinawa in March 1945, and sunk along the way.

  120. jo

    I’ve seen conflicting info so will have to check it out

  121. rickw

    Stage 5 is out there!

    Deployment of Chicom police to assist Vicpol?!

  122. Infidel Tiger King

    Stage 6:

    Hospital closures.

    Rhythmic clapping.

    Gas chambers.

  123. Infidel Tiger King

    Eddie McGuire’s mum has died.

    Sad for him, but interesting to see how a prominent Victorian of a large Irish Catholic family deals with only 10 guests at a funeral.

    The only way Victoria escapes is when the elite and the corporatist filth start to feel the heat. Wesfarmers are already hurt – Good!

  124. Top Ender

    Some police member on Victorian TV just now…

    Black shirt with silver facings.

    Next we’ll be hearing they were designed by Hugo Boss.

  125. Struth

    Look, I would say that you Victorians are doing exactly the right thing.
    Nothing.
    Right now the pollies and the cops are doing all they can to rile you up for a protest.
    To fight back.
    That’s why they bought all those automatic weapons and armoured vehicles last year.
    If you don’t fight back soon the bastards will have to introduce stage 5, and then if you still sit in your houses starving and sucking your thumb, six will be around the corner.
    You can show them they are not the only insane bastards, ………….I now see what you are doing, the communist troops prepare for battle, but confusion reigns as you just hand it to them without a fight.
    That’ll fuck’em.

    But those talking about the root of the problem, it is found in breaking the rule of law.
    The root of the Problem is Scott Morrison.
    Quarantine law can only be made by the feds.
    And they know it, and have no comeback when it explained quite clearly to them.

    You get the official reply……..we do not give out legal advice so go to http://www…………..

    But when you push a second time explaining you were not looking for legal advice, just answer the questions as you see it, they ignore it completely or the write back admitting that is the case and they have let their police ministers know, or pushed it up the line the AG of Aust.

    The root of the problem is not lock down, it is illegal lock down.
    Laws made by the wrong people according to the constitution.
    Which is a small document, purposefully easy to read so that laymen can understand it, in case of times just like these.
    It’s not some great technical document that requires years of legal study to understand it.
    It’s ours and can only be changed by us.

    Sco Mo is the root cause of the problem, and they are right on track with what they are trying to achieve.
    What he says is totally opposite to what he is doing, and he is the fucker putting us in debt we will never be rid of.

    And none of them are incompetent.
    They are evil fucking traitors.
    If the cure for covid 1984 was to cut pollies pay in half, you wouldn’t even know about it.

    Think of the hissing of our federal Liberal Pollies toward the president of our greatest ally upon his election.
    Not just Labor.
    They are a socialist party, and both feds and states have put themselves above the rule of law.
    And tyrant decreed chaos , death and destruction were sure to follow from that moment on.
    A fact I would never have had to argue about with fellow cats prior to this massive flooding fear campaign and propaganda.
    Too many people have lost it.
    They have won, and until we put them back under the rule of law no one in any state is free.

    SA residents have been bragging to me about how they are basically back to normal.
    Really?
    Really?
    Is that not insanity?
    Tell that to the young couple who just booked their wedding with more guests than now allowed after yesterday’s decree.
    Those who decided to have a party only to find by decree, that it was banned by the government a few ours before.

    This, rule by decree, outside of the rule of law, parliament shut down,…. because they have the guns is the new normal and will be until it is fought.

    Most of you guys know that, but there are still some who think this is about a virus and incompetence 5 months down the track.

  126. jo

    No I got confused you’re right.

  127. Struth

    Gafa, you know nothing about me and what I’ve done.
    So, if I may suggest, get fucked.

  128. rickw

    Next we’ll be hearing they were designed by Hugo Boss.

    Vikpol: Show me the design options and swatches you have available.
    Hugo Boss: Certainly!
    Vikpol: This is the one! Definitely!
    Hugo: Excellent choice sir, from our classic 1930’s line! You certainly have an eye for … um. Let’s just say you have a eye for certain things!

    (Mates mother was a little girl in France during WWII, family having escaped from Russia in 1917, Luftwaffe commandeered their house, reckons the Luftwaffe blokes looked a million bucks in their Hugo Boss gear.)

  129. Dr Faustus

    Technology triumphs over the Rona:

    COVIDSafe app which cost $2million FINALLY detects two coronavirus cases and uncovers a cluster months after it was heralded as Australia’s key to battling the pandemic

    COVIDSafe was uncovered as a cluster just after launch.

  130. Infidel Tiger King

    Alexandra Marshall
    @ellymelly
    Family businesses are not a luxury. They are the framework that holds the entire nation together. Right now, a cafe is closed but Maccas is open. Explain how a fast food giant is an essential service but a healthy produce local business isn’t?

    #vicpol #danandrews #auspol

  131. notafan

    Good to see struth taking Dover Beach down a peg or too 😂😂😂😂😂

    Why is that the biggest turkey gobblers are all from north of the Murray?

    That’s not to suggest that everyone northwards is included in that category.

  132. notafan

    Cafes can open for takeaway.

    I went to one this morning.

  133. notafan

    Dan perhaps you should stop paying people to get covid19.

    Dill.

  134. rickw

    COVIDSafe was uncovered as a cluster just after launch.

    Cluster and Government are two words with a strong association in Australia.

  135. Dr Faustus

    Family businesses are not a luxury. They are the framework that holds the entire nation together.

    For a professional politician, they are whingers squeaky wheels, all over the place, ungrateful, and difficult to work with – and there are far too many of the bastards.
    #fixingit

  136. rickw

    Cafes can open for takeaway.

    I went to one this morning.

    Same, but it probably comes down to economics. What’s the point of keeping the fridges going to sell 5 coffee’s and two sandwiches.

  137. Struth

    Dover beach said in his first sentence that the idea of curfews and tyranny is fine, it’s just the way it’s been handled.
    I don’t expect you to get where that fault in logic lies.

    But at least you can get take away lattes and carrot cake, so all is fine.
    What’s everyone whinging about?
    Like bloody poms they are.

    How’s the protest coming along Notafan?

    Karens on Parade?

  138. Struth

    Dan perhaps you should stop paying people to get covid19.

    Dill.

    Yes he’s just a well intentioned idiot!

  139. notafan

    Yes probably olive skinned.

    I’d have thought much like our Maronite Christian community or Greek Eypyptians or Syrians like Assad and others from that region who have not intermingled too much with Arabs.

    A bit like the image on the Shroud of Turin.

  140. gafa

    The question needs to be asked: how did Sweden likely get this right and do so going against the grain?
    The Saab 37 Viggen is your answer…they have a history.

  141. notafan

    Yes struth dill is the only epitaph I ever use in relation to Dan.

    Though in this particular instance it seems just right.

  142. rickw

    The question needs to be asked: how did Sweden likely get this right and do so going against the grain?
    The Saab 37 Viggen is your answer…they have a history.

    Australia has they geography to be way more independent in thinking than Sweden.

    Instead we’re basically what Brian Stelter would be if he were a country.

  143. notafan

    With covid19 of covid19 is potato potato

    Over 70 your body is significantly deteriorating, some more than others.

    It’s why it is far more likely to end in fatality in those age groups.

    Your body doesn’t have the wherewithal to fight it off plus complications.

  144. Cassie of Sydney

    “A bit like the image on the Shroud of Turin.”

    I’ve looked at pics of the Shroud….to me the image doesn’t look very “Semitic”.

  145. notafan

    I’ll make the point again, nowhere in the western world which had severe lockdowns did people run out of food.

  146. Mitch M.

    dover_beach
    #3534915, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:54 am
    Excellent thread that counters the claim that Sweden erred in its COVID strategy. It also neatly rebuffs the foolishness of ABC broadcaster, Raph Epstein.

    The question needs to be asked: how did Sweden likely get this right and do so going against the grain?

    Last night I followed up on some reports of increasing cognitive decline in US baby boomers by looking at European data. Sweden came up best at resisting the decline but paradoxically also showed faster decline when it did happen. That suggests more cognitive reserve in the general population because when cognitive reserve is diminishing the decline is much more rapid. That also accords with a study a few years ago that northern Europeans have bigger eyes and bigger brains than the rest, the argument being the bigger eyes to see better in the snow. That’s wrong, eye size is a function of retina size and the retina is technically part of the brain.

    The Swedes have no produced an excellent 4++ gen figther, the subs are among the best in the world, produce many other goods, have half the population of Australia, high personal taxes but low corporate taxes. Sweden makes Australia look like the dumb country not the clever country.

  147. Struth.

    How many people are actually dying “from” Covid and not “with” covid.
    Using the government’s logic, the biggest killer in all the country would be cold sores.
    After all, if tested, most of the adult population would show positive for the herpes simplex virus.
    Cases are irrelevant, and deaths “with” covid are irrelevant.
    To justify this level of crushing tyranny on the Australian people, we demand to know numbers of deaths caused by covid 19.
    Chairman Dan and Scott Morrison must know this figure, they wouldn’t dare risk destroying millions of lives otherwise, would they?

    Thanks for your input MV.
    sent around.

    That’s right Notafan, same as every year before with every flu virus.
    Which, every year killed more people than this virus has.

    Nice to see you finally are calming down from the hysterics, now you’re just having trouble justifying your reaction, because a fucking apology to all us selfish nanna killers

  148. Struth.

    How many people are actually dying “from” Covid and not “with” covid.
    Using the government’s logic, the biggest killer in all the country would be cold sores.
    After all, if tested, most of the adult population would show positive for the h e r p e s simplex virus.
    Cases are irrelevant, and deaths “with” covid are irrelevant.
    To justify this level of crushing tyranny on the Australian people, we demand to know numbers of deaths caused by covid 19.
    Chairman Dan and Scott Morrison must know this figure, they wouldn’t dare risk destroying millions of lives otherwise, would they?

    Thanks for your input MV.
    sent around.

    That’s right Notafan, same as every year before with every flu virus.
    Which, every year killed more people than this virus has.

    Nice to see you finally are calming down from the hysterics, now you’re just having trouble justifying your reaction, because an apology to all us selfish nanna killers is something your arrogance won’t allow, so you perform mind games and twist and deny things so that you
    don’t have to, only making things worse.

  149. Makka:

    Floyd was off his tree.

    …and had taken a lethal dose of Fentanyl – a respiratory depressant.
    But he could talk, which shows that his airway was open.
    What will it take to get people to realise Floyd suicided by cop?

  150. gafa

    you know nothing about me and what I’ve done.

    I know you love to toot your own horn rubber ducky:

  151. notafan

    And thank you for your 11am comment Dover Beach.

    It was lucid and logical and quite correct.

  152. Top Ender

    Your papers dumbkof!

    Daniel Andrews has announced a permit system for Greater Melbourne, requiring people to show papers to authorities when they’re out and about for legitimate work reasons.

    The move comes as the capital enters a strict stage four lockdown in a bid to slow the rapid spread of coronavirus, with 439 new cases recorded today.

    Melbourne is the subject of a nightly curfew between 8pm and 5am, with only essential workers and those seeking or providing care able to leave their homes.

    From midnight on Wednesday, a range of non-essential businesses will cease operating.

    News.com

  153. Boambee John

    jo

    Leyte Gulf was Yamato

    Yamato was sunk in 1945, on the way to Okinawa on a suicide mission. Musashi was sunk in the Phillipines, heading toward San Bernadino Strait, on the way to Leyte Gulf. Shinano outside Tokyo Bay, by the submarine.

  154. Boambee John:

    Tried to get a prescription filled this morning. Three different chemists shops, not available at any, comes from China, no information on when it might become available.

    I’d spoken to my chemist here in Barcy in January about the reliable availability of drugs and she assured me that most of our stuff came from France and Canada. She didn’t know about precursor chemicals.
    If you don’t mind, what particular drug were you after?

  155. rickw

    Daniel Andrews has announced a permit system for Greater Melbourne, requiring people to show papers to authorities when they’re out and about for legitimate work reasons.

    The hunchbacked, bat eared, dickless, communist mong piece of shit loves this.

    The POS is living his totalitarian dream….

    Gunner, we’re going into the permit printing business!!!

  156. Geriatric Mayfly

    An interesting origin. Who knows what is ahead whenever Dan the Conquerer rings his afternoon bell. One thing is for certain though; throw a blanket over that barbie if the smoke starts drifting into Karen’s yard next door.

    The word “curfew” comes from the Old French phrase “couvre-feu”, which means “cover fire”. It was later adopted into Middle English as “curfeu”, which later became the modern “curfew”.[4] Its original meaning refers to a law made by William The Conqueror that all lights and fires should be covered at the ringing of an eight o’clock bell to prevent the spread of destructive fire within communities in timber buildings.[5]

  157. Top Ender

    SPECTATOR AUSTRALIA

    The Empire’s atomic salvation

    75 years ago, Japan was saved by the Bomb

    Top Ender

    The atomic bombings of Japan, which occurred 75 years ago this year, stunned and horrified the world.

    The first blast, which obliterated Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945, killed more than 100,000 people, mostly civilians. The second attack, which targeted Nagasaki on Aug. 9, killed another 80,000.

    Most victims died in the immediate detonations and resulting firestorm; many additional thousands were burned or succumbed later from exposure to fallout. The misery continued: cancer rates in post-war Japan skyrocketed, while future generations suffered the long-term effects of radioactive contamination.

    Yet, despite the scale of the humanitarian catastrophe stemming from the decision by the United States to drop the two bombs on Japan, a conventional military campaign to conquer the home islands, planned under the codename Operation Downfall, would almost certainly have exacted an even greater death toll. Here’s an assessment.

    The Empire, though shattered in 1945, was far from beaten. Around 10,000 kamikaze aircraft awaited the troopships. The lesser known suicide speedboats would have attacked with similar numbers, while beneath the waves 600 submarines would have carried their one- and two-man crews on a one-way voyage. Exact figures are hazy, but around 35 million armed militia and regular forces would have fought the invading Allies.

    Added to the prospective grim figures were the hundreds of thousands already dying every week in Japanese-held lands. If today you are an Indonesian, a Malaysian, a Chinese, or a member of any one of the myriad of countries and territories taken by the Empire, you too should be grateful for the B-29 bombers Enola Gay and Bock’s Car, and their crews, and the Manhattan Project which created the bombs they dropped.

    There were approximately 300,000 POWs in captivity in Japan by mid-1945. As Allied troops landed, Japanese commanders would likely have made good on their plans to execute the prisoners en masse, thereby freeing up the guards to go and meet the invaders.

    There would likely have been over a million Allied combat deaths as well. In fact, some have estimated as many as 15,000 Allied military fatalities a week through to the end of 1946. Unbelievable? From D-day in France, 6 June 1944, through to August 21, the Allies lost 73,000 dead.

    Some have argued that there were alternatives: The Soviet Union’s entry to the war might have convinced the Empire to surrender, although there are no guarantees of that. Japan had famously beaten the Russians in 1905. Besides, the Soviet Union, which had most of its military might positioned in Eastern Europe, lacked the capability for amphibious assault. Furthermore, Russia had little naval forces in Pacific, and no aircraft carriers or battleships to gun the beaches as did Britain and the U.S. military.

    Similarly so with any ideas of starving Japan out. The food supplies would have been switched in the main to the troops, hurting the common people even more. But they were preparing to die anyway: young teenagers were being pressed into training for armed resistance. The Japanese patriotic song “One Hundred Million Souls for the Emperor,” meant just that. One line went: “The day is near when the one hundred million people as one man will be in active resistance to the enemy.”

    This was the ultimate irony. Dying made perfect sense to many in the bizarre world of wartime Japan. Millions of soldiers and sailors had already perished. How many more of Japan’s six million remaining men under arms would have been killed rather than surrender?

    Australian general William Slim, one of the best fighting leaders of the war, expected the Allies to face tenacious defenders.

    “There can be no question of the supreme courage and hardihood of the Japanese soldiers,” he wrote. “I know of no army that could have equaled them.” In fact, the Emperor’s troops died at a rate which some came to call the “Saipan ratio,” referring to the 97 per cent of the Japanese troops who fought to the death or committed suicide rather than surrender.

    In the Home Islands Japanese schoolgirls learnt to use rifles, and women learnt sharpshooting so they could harass Allied troops from the mountains. The use of “satchel charges” was taught, where the user hurled oneself under an enemy vehicle and detonated it.

    A Japanese doctor, Shuntaro Hida, working at the Army Hospital in Hiroshima, listed as one of his tasks the education of medical orderlies regarding the techniques of suicide bombing.

    “The soldiers were trained to strap bombs to their bodies and throw themselves against the tanks,” he would later recall.

    Even after the two atomic blasts the official line was propagated in the newspapers that the country would, and could, continue the war. A typical newspaper carried a headline: “No reason to fear new style bomb” and went on to review the new style countermeasures against the atomic weapons.

    The loss of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were initially seen as no great obstacle to the steadfast orderliness of Japanese people continuing the war. One soldier on leave from Hiroshima when the first bomb fell, Toyofumi Ogura, simply reported for duty as the supervisor of a student work group charged with making hand grenades. They continued their task, even on the outskirts of a city which had seen massive destruction. The Allies dropped, to no avail, millions of leaflets advising people to petition their leader and evacuate their cities.

    It took the decision of the Emperor to bring it all to a halt.

    Even then a revolution began, to save him from the “misguided advice” he had received. But saner heads prevailed: “one plane, one bomb, one city” was so convincing an argument the war suddenly stopped, as the Emperor broadcast by radio his decision to the nation.

    It is odd that over the years some people have pushed a concept that the use of the A-Bombs was wrong. Better, most people would agree, that in the terrible arithmetic of war, that 200,000 should die than many millions.

    If the war had continued, it’s entirely possible that as many as 27 million Japanese might have died, as the Allied armies blasted their way from the initial landings zones at the Kyushu Peninsula up towards Tokyo. The mountainous terrain of the entire country would have favoured a cave and tunnels defence, and the Allies would have attacked with overwhelming artillery and airpower rather than risk their infantry. But Japan’s brave people would have been eventually annihilated. Ironically, The A-bombs, as horrible as they were, had indeed given salvation.

    -o-o-O-o-o-

    Top Ender’s Atomic Salvation is published in the Australia and the USA by Big Sky Publishing, and Casemate.

    The spectator australia | 8 august 2020 | http://www.spectator.com.au

1 12 13 14

Comments are closed.