Open Forum: August 1, 2020

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  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    I wonder why the MSM isn’t carrying this story?

    First Time In 70 Years No Pacific Typhoon Forms In July… Alarmists Alarmed Typhoon Trend Falling! (1 Aug)

    In fact this July is the first July to have seen no typhoons formed in the Pacific at all since statistics on this began in 1951, according to the data from the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA).

    How odd that they are so uninterested.

  2. NoFixedAddress

    The jungle jelly beans favourite ho is Ho Chi Minh.

    Been talking to your Cuban handlers today Jelly?

  3. notafan

    Also ‘dangerous toad to sew’ is in increasing use in certain parts of Queensland.

  4. Johno

    I scroll sniffy numbnuts, but I do read the rebuttals of his poison, absolutely hilarious. No self awareness at all. Surely in some dim dark recess of its turdiferous, semi consciousness an alarm must sound and a little voice whisper that it is copping a pounding, again?

  5. Snoopy

    First Time In 70 Years No Pacific Typhoon Forms In July… Alarmists Alarmed Typhoon Trend Falling!

    BOM bribed Gaia to put them aside for the Australian cyclone season.

  6. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Knuckle Dragger at 7:51 am:

    “More importantly, Collingwood has been smacked a $50,000 blister because Nathan Buckley and one of his myriad of coaches went and played tennis with a couple of out-of-hub punters.

    The fine isn’t for covid breaches. It was justifiably issued because someone who identified as a man for these years was discovered playing tennis.”

    You had me recalling those great days of young and strong, not a care in the world, playing rugby and league occasionally for a bludge and, during school years, not really understanding those blokes who chose to go to tennis on sports afternoons instead of playing sport. Must be pooves we reckoned, not that we really understood yet what they were either.

    Rod Laver was alright though, ‘cos he was a world champion like Lionel Rose. Newcombe too, he was a white man because he liked a drink, played up a bit and was one of the few blokes who could wear a proper mustache properly (like Dennis Lillee). We exempted Ken Rosewall as well, probably because he was at the very top and was never full of himself. We didn’t really knew much about him but Tony Roche got a pass because he was John Newcombe’s mate.

    Gees it was easy back then! 😉

  7. H B Bear

    Seeing theBittered Sav on Insiders any idea what happened to hubby since Lord Waffleworth was given the arse? That quote about having Jana Wendy’s fax machine number is still one of the funniest things I have read for a while. I hope the poor bastard isn’t in lockdown with the Bittered Sav.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    The expression ‘dangerous road to mow ‘ is also increasing in popularity.

    Also, “Dangerous Toad to Mow” is gaining currency in North Queensland.

  9. Leigh Lowe

    Oops.
    Accidental nearly snap on the toads.

  10. Robber Baron

    Just returned from Woolies in Preston. The Karens are all shopping like they all know Stage 4 is about to be announced.

    Andrews is insane.

  11. H B Bear

    Political staffers are like herpes. You think you have got rid of them but they flare up again.

  12. lotocoti

    Also, “Dangerous Toad to Mow” is gaining currency in North Queensland.

    Hardly.
    You mow down toads on the road.

  13. MatrixTransform

    I see theTard is all Gung Hoe this morning

  14. Leigh Lowe:

    A few people have been known to overdose in jail.

    Quite a few have been known to OD during the arrest procedure by thinking they are getting rid of evidence just like George Floyd, who swallowed a lethal dose of Fentanyl and then managed to get out this stunning bit of information “I can’t breathe.”
    No shit, sherlock.

  15. Snoopy

    The Grauniad:

    As a career diplomat and former head of Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Peter Varghese has always had to choose his words carefully.

    “I think the world can survive four years of Donald Trump; I would be much less confident that the world can survive eight years of Donald Trump,” he says in a Lowy Institute podcast.

    And

    The election could result in either a second Trump term – with the president emboldened to persist with his isolationist and crash-through approach to world affairs – or the return to a more conventional Canberra-Washington relationship under Joe Biden. The polls currently heavily favour Barack Obama’s former right-hand man, but Australian officials are believed to be planning for either outcome.

    Dot’s beloved sortition method should be used to fill Australia’s diplomatic corps. It could not possibly be worse than what we have now.

  16. Leigh Lowe

    True Winston.
    My comment was about how rare it is for someone to OD on Iced Vo-Vo’s in The Big House.
    Vale Mr Dungay.

  17. Snoopy

    Unsurprisingly, ex diplomat Peter Varghese is now chancellor at the St Lucia campus of Beijing University.

  18. Very well, in the interests of transparency, I admit to confusing hoes and hos while possibly also misgendering them. I remain convinced the involvement of an MX-5 is key to unraveling this mystery.

  19. MatrixTransform

    abandon all hoep, ye who enter here

    — Dante

  20. Leigh Lowe

    Only 145 shopping days until Christmas.
    Hoe, hoe, hoe.

  21. NoFixedAddress

    So, have we got Premier Dirty Dan’s covid corpse count for today?

  22. mh

    Looks like over 650 new cases in Vic and 13 deaths.
    Dan will announce Stage 4.

  23. Makka

    Has Dan turned off the internet in Vic?

  24. Leigh Lowe

    I do not see myself as a smart man, just an average bloke.

    I hear this a lot.
    It usually precedes a long dissertation which seems aimed at leading the reader/listener to conclude that the opening statement is based on misplaced humility.

  25. Makka

    Guardian still panicking we aren’t taking in tens of thousands third worlders.

    Migration to Australia has fallen off a cliff – will it take the economy with it?
    Lower international student numbers amid Covid-19 have hit the education sector hard. It could be just the tip of the iceberg

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hard row to Hoe Chi Minh.

    Dear, kindly old Uncle Hoe. How many people were murdered in his name?

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    and have a difficult and dangerous road to hoe

    Maybe Numbers, who is an electric car fan, meant “road to Zoe”?

    Oh Dear: Plug Pulled On French Electric Car Which Nobody Wants To Buy (29 Jul)

    One of Australia’s cheapest electric cars – the Renault Zoe – has had its plug pulled after just 63 were sold over the past three years.

    In an online briefing with media, Renault Australia executives blamed absent government incentives for the lack of widespread interest in the Zoe, even though it was already one of the cheapest electric cars on sale, priced from $47,490 plus on-road costs.

    Seeing the Zoe is roughly similar to a Nissan Micra, which is also built by Renault, and that a Micra cost about $18,990, that makes the Zoe a very expensive golf cart. No wonder they didn’t sell like hot cakes.

  28. JC

    Makka
    #3532120, posted on August 2, 2020 at 11:07 am

    Has Dan turned off the internet in Vic?

    Mine isn’t working. I’m “hotspotting” my mac from my iphone.

  29. herodotus

    I would be much less confident that the world can survive eight years of Donald Trump
    It is becoming super evident that the USA didn’t really survive eight years of Obama & Co.

  30. Makka

    Now it’s the mystery cases in Melbourne.

    Let’s see; English not the first language, ethnicity is some 3rd world shithole; non-Christian low trust upbringing, family gatherings every other night, personal hygeine(?), totally incompetent Dan Xi-man and Vic Health, testing regime is a farce….. indeed. Very mysterious.

  31. Struth

    Agreeance is a word that seems to be continually reinvented and recycled. The term first appeared in the 16th century and enjoyed its greatest popularity in the 18th and early to mid-19th centuries. Since then it has fallen into disuse.

    Is Agreeance in the Oxford dictionary?
    Sheidlower states that agreeance is a word and that Durst used it correctly. “It’s in the OED,” Sheindlower told the paper. … Reading from the text, Sheidlower said The Oxford English Dictionary defines “agreeance” as “the act of agreeing, AGREEMENT, agreement in several of its meanings.”

    These institutionally educated types, they keep coming here to show us that keeping up the appearance of having an actual education is a hard Road to mow, no hang on, a hard on in the snow, no, is it, a hard flow to slow……………………………

  32. Some History

    Maybe Numbers, who is an electric car fan…

    I didn’t know that. Like this?

    https://www.amazon.com.au/AboveTEK-12V-Electric-Car-Fan/dp/B010CESJTC

  33. Terry Pedersen

    Insiders [correctly] blaming Scomo for Nursing home problems in Victoria .

    Victoria has over 180 publicly-run aged care centres, which have had only a small number of infections. The disastrous COVID-19 outbreaks are overwhelmingly in the privately run aged care homes.

    So, once more for the slow learners:

    Privately owned and operated aged care homes in Australia are regulated and funded by the Commonwealth Government. They are a Commonwealth responsibility and the State Governments are therefore limited in what they can do for the occupants of those homes.

    Scomo and his responsible Minister, Richard Colbeck, have been very late to intervene in the COVID-19 disaster that has unfolded within the Victorian Aged Homes, just as they were in relation to Newmarch House and other aged homes in NSW. The fault for the present situation lies with them, not with Dan Andrews.

  34. Burnt Stump

    Two great priests have their feast days in the next few weeks. St John Vianney on the 4th and St Maximillian Kolbe on the 14th. Not much the woke could find wrong with these two.

  35. Megan

    I see the jelly backed numberskull has been casting his swine shit before pearls again the morning. He as regular as Laxettes

  36. Makka

    Mine isn’t working. I’m “hotspotting” my mac from my iphone.

    Near 20k complaints so the backbone at fkg Telstra is down. Hotspot is the only option for now.

  37. Too early for you on a Sunday Morning Tailgunner

    I’m in here, but certainly no social media type.
    Only fake Facebook for stalking and my twitter account.
    Someone might like to find the anti maskists on Facebook and send the idea though.
    Excellent work, Knuckler

  38. Davey Boy

    Lol Telstra has caught the MSM disease
    There is currently an internet outage on the whole eastern seaboard
    Telstra social media reports this as “an issue affecting some home internet connections”

  39. Ooops,csorry, that was Eyrie!
    Back away from the podium, KD

  40. dover_beach

    Nothing beats Homer’s Asian warlord, Skan Ke Ho. Cat legend.

  41. William the Conjuror

    Too early for you on a Sunday Morning Tailgunner

    I’m in here, but certainly no social media type.
    Only fake Facebook for stalking and my twitter account.

    And Youtube.

  42. Rockdoctor

    No problems in the Hunter Valley that I am aware of. However we are totally wireless.

    Colesworths insufferably slow this morning. They are all masked up & wiping everything down. A lot of cranky looking customers…

  43. Davey Boy

    Try changing dns to 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 or 1.1.1.1
    Via twatter so it must be true

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Commonweath pulls out of High Court challenge against WA border closures

    Dennis Shanahan
    Political Editor
    11:39PM August 1, 2020
    239 Comments

    Scott Morrison has pulled the Commonwealth out of the High Court challenge against Western Australia’s border closures started by Queensland businessman and former federal MP Clive Palmer.

    The Prime Minister has talked to the West Australian Labor Premier, Mark McGowan, and proposed a “pandemic” truce based on co-operation between the States and Commonwealth governments aimed at avoiding a constitutional fight.

    In a letter to the Premier Mr Morrison said given the circumstances of the pandemic and decisions on border closures being “taken in good faith” he had decided the Commonwealth would withdraw its in-principle support for the High Court challenge and work with the states on a series of principles governing border closures.

    Mr McGowan and Federal Labor have publicly called on the Morrison Government to withdraw the Commonwealth from the High Court action by the billionaire mining magnate who is arguing the border restrictions are contrary to section 92 of the constitution which provides for freedom of movement between the states.

  45. Makka

    Try changing dns to 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 or 1.1.1.1
    Via twatter so it must be true

    That does work. But you are then routing through GOOGLE’s dns. So for sensitive stuff, beware.

  46. Struth

    I hear this a lot.
    It usually precedes a long dissertation which seems aimed at leading the reader/listener to conclude that the opening statement is based on misplaced humility.

    No, the statement was made due to accusations made by you and others here that I considered myself a smarty pants.
    So it was made in defense of a false allegation.

    As my morning essay, as Notafan would call it, quite clearly states.
    I’m not necessarily any smarter than anyone else, but I just haven’t lost my shit in fear, which has sent many people probably many times smarter than me into dribbling “case” fearing morons, or as in your “case”, sneering cowards.
    People like me frighten you because you are scared I’ll do something , and I haven’t even been to University, …. how dare I not know my place.
    I’m extremely well educated where it counts.
    Yet ,I should stick to driving taxis, or some other occupation your pompousness suggests.
    Stick to me own clarss , is wot I should do, eh, sir?
    Looking at the world right now, I would suggest the only logical thing to do would be to boot the over educated from the halls of power everywhere.
    They’ve completely fucked the place.

  47. Makka

    Commonweath pulls out of High Court challenge against WA border closures

    Fkg Scummo coward.

  48. Legalise Sedition
    #3531798, posted on August 1, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    Trusting politicians to manage a health crisis is stupid. I hope after covid there is some serious reconsideration at a legal level about the powers delegated to who and either structuring a response solely around one government or giving the power to a body/board of health directors

    You mean like a Federal Civil Disaster team?
    Like we used to have?
    Yeah. It got rolled into a guvvy department somewhere and is now full of nosmoking and Girrrrl power weevils. I wrote about it as this clusterfuck started rolling downhill. Haven’t heard from them.

  49. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Leigh Lowe at 11:09 am:

    ” I do not see myself as a smart man, just an average bloke.

    I hear this a lot.
    It usually precedes a long dissertation which seems aimed at leading the reader/listener to conclude that the opening statement is based on misplaced humility.

    which fits in ever so well with Winston Churchill’s “He’s a humble man with much to be humble about.”

  50. Mater

    Costco in the Docklands…an absolute zoo.
    The panic in the air is palpable.
    People are snapping and getting aggressive both inside, and in the carpark.
    Glad to see it in the rearview mirror.

  51. Sinclair Davidson

    So how come it mostly Victorian aged care facilities that are infected?

  52. MatrixTransform

    Cloudflare

    For IPv4: 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1.
    For IPv6: 2606:4700:4700::1111,2606:4700:4700::1001.

  53. rickw

    Unsurprisingly, ex diplomat Peter Varghese is now chancellor at the St Lucia campus of Beijing University.

    Our Traitors are so easily brought.

  54. rickw

    Costco in the Docklands…an absolute zoo.
    The panic in the air is palpable.
    People are snapping and getting aggressive both inside, and in the carpark.
    Glad to see it in the rearview mirror.

    Are we allowed buy ammo again?

  55. Biota

    At Lake Macquarie no internet over NBN and only 0.3 mbs from the Nighthawk modem.

  56. H B Bear

    So how come it mostly Victorian aged care facilities that are infected?

    If you are watching Insiders it would seem to be working conditions in the aged care sector.

  57. EvilElvis

    I hope after covid there is some serious reconsideration at a legal level about the powers delegated to who and either structuring a response solely around one government or giving the power to a body/board of health directors

    Great. Another body of ‘experts’. Like the taxpayer funded leaves on the breeze we have now. Before covid it was all mental health ad fucking nauseum, now it’s all bloody covid ad fucking nauseum without a shit given for mental health. Guess what drum they’ll be banging after covid. Mental health. Disingenuous, inept parasites. We’d be better off as a society with no government help. FMD.

  58. Makka

    It’s a joke. The stats cannot be trusted so politics are what matters as always;

    CDC director acknowledges hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-director-acknowledges-hospitals-have-a-monetary-incentive-to-overcount-coronavirus-deaths

  59. Leigh Lowe

    dover_beach

    #3532146, posted on August 2, 2020 at 11:31 am

    Nothing beats Homer’s Asian warlord, Skan Ke Ho. Cat legend.

    That was a very good Numbers thrashing.
    Was it a pile-on?
    Or was it a hoe-down?

  60. stackja

    Who is Health Minister in Victoria? Dan?

  61. Old School Conservative

    So how come it mostly Victorian aged care facilities that are infected?

    Don’t forget Newmarch House in NSW, 19 deaths.
    It may be Vic today, but aged care is the common factor over the full timeline.

  62. Dr Faustus

    Victorian Coronavirus Lotto prediction: 650

    You Victorians have let Mr. Andrews down. Badly.
    You deserve a good lockdown, and no supper before bed.

    (On the bright side, while the number of cases over the past two months is still on an exponential trend, the data for the past two weeks is now mostly plotting below the trendline.

    On the downside, if this is a sign of the ‘top of the curve’, Desperate Dan will be able to claim whatever he inflicts on Victoria today as victory over his stupid subjects.)

  63. Makka:

    Three people died overnight in the state – a woman in her 90s, a man in his 80s and a woman in her 80s.
    Fmd. And the economy is destroyed, for this?

    Yes. That’s the idea. Dan will go to the next election with 93.1% of the voting population dependent on his largesse. Not the governments, his largesse. The media will push this line harder than Bill Clinton servicing one of his conquests.
    But it’s not all gloom and doom – every bludger in Australia will go to Victoria for the building boom of free injecting rooms, the handouts, and the legalised and subsidised smack/ice/ganja/coke/and lowered age of consent.
    Do I need a /sarc tag?
    Why yes, yes I do.
    /sarc.

  64. Good morning all.
    Terry Pedersen, quite correctly, states that aged care is a Federal responsibility. And as Doomlord now sez, why is it that mostly Victorian aged care facilities are hotspots? Why not Sydney, Brisbane or wherever else? Can only look at who is leading this state yeah?

  65. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Who is Health Minister in Victoria? Dan?

    An underachiever of a Gillardian nature. Some product of the unimpeded immigration flood of the 1960s, named Jenny Mikakos.
    Since had a thread on her a few weeks ago.

  66. Dr Faustus

    Commonweath pulls out of High Court challenge against WA border closures

    Its work is done.
    Now to allow Cloive the electoral glory of introducing the Sandgropers to community transmission.

  67. Makka

    Cut the shit Faustas. 35% of Vic voters (1.3 mill) wanted Dan thrown in the trash. Not all his “subjects” are stupid.

  68. woolfe

    So how come it mostly Victorian aged care facilities that are infected?

    Well doubt if the oldies are allowed out so maybe look at the staff?

  69. stackja

    Aged care problems revealed by Wuhan virus. Many didn’t know about Aged care problems in the past.

  70. Also, put in your search engine Jonathan Isaac for the Orlando Magic. You will be heartened at his work.

  71. notafan

    Grigs still duck shoving.

    People walked Covid into nursing homes.

    Unless it erupts spontaneously it all comes from the Bonking Hoe Crew.

    Dan has new, belated visitor regulations for nursing homes but couldn’t introduce more stringent guidelines for staff?

    I don’t think so.

  72. Davey Boy

    Telstra has just confirmed their DNS servers are undergoing a DoS attack
    Presumably it’s just some people doing something.

  73. notafan

    Nursing homes were the hotspots in New York, Spain Italy, France, Sweden, just about anywhere you look.

    Lessons learnt?

    No

    Instead, we all have to go into stage crazy lockdown.

  74. johanna

    EvilElvis
    #3532167, posted on August 2, 2020 at 11:45 am

    I hope after covid there is some serious reconsideration at a legal level about the powers delegated to who and either structuring a response solely around one government or giving the power to a body/board of health directors

    Great. Another body of ‘experts’. Like the taxpayer funded leaves on the breeze we have now. Before covid it was all mental health ad fucking nauseum, now it’s all bloody covid ad fucking nauseum without a shit given for mental health. Guess what drum they’ll be banging after covid. Mental health. Disingenuous, inept parasites. We’d be better off as a society with no government help. FMD.

    Very well said, Mr Elvis. Always beware of cries to insulate politicians from the consequences of public policy – it’s just a way of protecting them from voters when things go wrong. So, it ends up that nobody is held accountable.

    Internet working fine here in Quangers – but I’m on wireless, which may be relevant.

  75. stackja

    woolfe
    #3532180, posted on August 2, 2020 at 11:55 am

    Staff probably mostly poorly paid.
    Who would work in aged care?
    Once I believe religious provided aged care.

  76. notafan

    We aren’t talking cases.

    We are talking dead people.

  77. Old School Conservative

    Thanks BB for highlighting Jonathan Isaac. More power to him.
    That led me to another sound piece of thinking from NFL player Joe Burrow.
    “…he doesn’t intend to spend a single penny of that money he’s making from the Bengals. He’ll live off the money he makes from endorsements and put all the money from his NFL paychecks into savings and investments.”

  78. Megan

    Internet still operating Chez Megan. Surprisingly, as we’ve had a couple of unexpected local outages recently.

  79. notafan

    Dirk

    I take it then that 19 deaths in a single nursing home over a few short weeks is perfectly normal.

  80. EvilElvis

    Johanna, a committee or board will never replace true leadership of which we have a massive void in this country.

    The greatest shame in society at the moment is an unerring faith in those with a degree. Without proper leaders to filter information and charter a course we are beholden to opinion and agenda with the result being absolutely no results.

  81. Leigh Lowe

    Thought you were joking about the internet Makka.
    I only ever use mobile.

  82. Old School Conservative

    Telstra has just confirmed their DNS servers are undergoing a DoS attack

    I was very embarrassed two years ago to be scammed while using my personal laptop.
    Seeing all the big names scammed, attacked, held to ransom and Dos’d, I see I’m in good company..

  83. mh

    Can Victorians choose to identify as positive or negative?

    If not, why not?

  84. Leigh Lowe

    FMD.
    Jumped in the Skoda MX5.
    ABC radio on.
    They are playing a soothing yoga instructor with a slightly American twang.
    Breathe in … hold that calmness … Breathe out.

    Just ….

  85. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Sinclair Davidson at 11:40 am:

    “So how come it mostly Victorian aged care facilities that are infected?”

    Probably because they are older than those built in the Edwardian era and in the years that followed.

  86. Makka

    Dan has new, belated visitor regulations for nursing homes but couldn’t introduce more stringent guidelines for staff?

    If it’s the Fed’s responsibility to enforce compliance in those homes then that’s what they should have been doing. Looking at the infection rates, aged care home staff are just as easily the cause. And who are they, where do they live and what is their ethnic background? There are gaps in discipline and hygiene there you can drive a bus through. The media will never shine a light on staff because precious healthcare workers and Govts are just plain fkg lazy and stupid. Staff are often low cost contractors who won the bid for the lowest cost.

    ALPBC on the RC into Aged Care last October;

    “It’s been well-documented that the aged care sector — widely reliant on lowly-paid workers on casual contracts who struggle to take days off for illness lest they lose their income, or feel compelled to work several jobs to make ends meet but in turn increase their exposure and transfer risk — can become a vector via which cases of COVID-19 can make their way into aged care homes.”

  87. notafan

    Dirk.

    19 out of 100 residents.

    I guess you’ll say anything.

  88. Dr Faustus

    BREAKING NEWS: Telstra Down, After DNS Attack Thousands Without Broadband

    Messages were posted online claiming that Telstra were “Short staffed”.

    This is the same Company who has sacked 12,000 workers to bolster returns to CEO Andy Penn and shareholders.

    Penn’s pay packet increased 34 per cent to $5 million last financial year, despite sharp falls in profits and dividends at the nation’s biggest mobile carrier.

    It’s also seen the Company unable to handle support operations when outages happen.

    Surely not a disgruntled former employee…

  89. johanna

    For those whose internet is working, The Greg Gutfeld Show is being streamed live on youtube by someone called XPloderKing.

  90. notafan

    Makka

    Linked article on personal care workers says they don’t have to have any quals.

    All those frontline staff waiting for cases in Victorian hospitals should have been placed in aged care.

    And if Victoria is not taking positive patients out of aged care into hospital then cross contamination will happen again.

  91. notafan

    Obviously happening already.

  92. Speedbox

    Robber Baron
    #3532097, posted on August 2, 2020 at 10:39 am

    Just returned from Woolies in Preston. The Karens are all shopping like they all know Stage 4 is about to be announced.

    I think the madness is spreading. I went to our local Woolworths this morning for a few basic supplies. The place was packed with a person on the doors counting people in/out. This is in Brisbane!

  93. egg_

    ” I do not see myself as a smart man, just an average bloke.

    I hear this a lot.
    It usually precedes a long dissertation which seems aimed at leading the reader/listener to conclude that the opening statement is based on misplaced humility.“

    Red rag to the bull – “the smartest man in the room”?
    Too bad he’s basically an unqualified blowhard.

  94. No no, not a Chinese warlord, but the mistress of a Chinese warlord, post Boxer Rebellion.

    He name was Skan Kee Ho.

    Homes could never remember which warlord.

  95. Ed Case

    Been told Brisbane supermarkets haven’t got anything out of Victoria for a month.

  96. notafan

    The many faces of grig.

    Possibly commented under wrong id.

    Not the first time you’ve done that.

  97. JC

    Wifey’s family member works in the office for vic rail. The suicide attempts of folks wanting death by train apparently is sky high. There were 10 attempts in one day with about 8 or so being talked out of it.

  98. notafan

    Hucks line of work too JC.

    Dan doesn’t care because media doesn’t report deaths by suicide.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    At Lake Macquarie no internet over NBN and only 0.3 mbs from the Nighthawk modem.

    Not at Cafe Bruce which subscribes to Singaporean free-market capitalist running-dog internet.
    The NBN here has been fine all morning.

  100. JC

    No no, not a Chinese warlord, but the mistress of a Chinese warlord, post Boxer Rebellion.

    He name was Skan Kee Ho.

    Homes could never remember which warlord.

    hahahhhahaha., Good old Homer P. What a complete idiot. He used to be an endearing idiot, but after a while he even lost that and just became a run of the mill imbecile. Speaking of which…:-)

  101. Leigh Lowe

    notafan

    #3532211, posted on August 2, 2020 at 12:16 pm

    Makka

    Linked article on personal care workers says they don’t have to have any quals.

    Let’s not start with the qualifications snobbery.
    It’s not that sort of blog.

  102. egg_

    Even the unemployment rate is unrealistically high, because it being forced by governments. Most people are on some sort of furlough. They aren’t jobless because there’s been an major financial crisis. It’s different, but it’s not without huge risk.

    First – do no harm.

    The politicians knew they were facing ruining the Economy over modelling projections of an out of season flu that had not yet reached our shores.
    Is that too difficult to fathom?

  103. areff

    Call me a cynic, but one motivation for going into full NZ-style panic mode down here in Trashcanistan on the Yarra would have to be the suspension of parliament. The lickspittle sphincter suckers of the press won’t grill Premier Pustule and, if suspended, he won’t be quizzed by the opposition either (“opposition” used advisedly, as generally one needs to be awake in order to oppose)

  104. Makka

    I don’t disagree nota.

    However, the Aged Care situation was not a secret. And it’s not just about training either. Aged care was the #1 Risk so that is where protocols and discipline should have been enforced stringently from the get go. Especially given the lack of training and the standards of contractor staff.

    To me this is purely an accountability issue- who is responsible. I’m not defending Dan. He’s screwed it up royally elsewhere. But if it’s the Fed’s job in those Pvt Homes then they are responsible for the debacle.

    Back in March, minesites were strictly distancing, segregating, quarantining, ramping up office cleaning every shift etc. It worked. Because the workforce were drilled hard endlessly on the protocols, on site and at home. What do you think happened with the low paid immigrants employed by the Aged care contractors? Those ones who live Nth and NW of Melbourne? Let me hazard a guess.

  105. areff

    He name was Skan Kee Ho.

    Chinese restaurant in NYC went by the charming name of Hung So Lo.

  106. JC

    the opposition either (“opposition” used advisedly, as generally one needs to be awake in order to oppose)

    The current leader seems to have at least 2 disks where the spine normally is located. It’s 2 more that the previous opposition leaders. Don’t hold me to it as yet, because docs still have to administer an MRI to confirm.

  107. Leigh Lowe

    Davey Boy

    #3532184, posted on August 2, 2020 at 11:56 am

    Telstra has just confirmed their DNS servers are undergoing a DoS attack
    Presumably it’s just some people doing something.

    Update.
    Telstra just announced that there is an inordinate amount of internet traffic today.
    Apparently some Big Website(s) went live in Queensland overnight creating yuuuuge interest and crashing the entire network.

  108. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seeing all the big names scammed, attacked, held to ransom and Dos’d, I see I’m in good company.

    W today.

    George W. Bush Center hacked; ransom paid in exchange for apparent destruction of stolen donor data (1 Aug)

    The George W. Bush Presidential Center was the victim recently of a hack attack that resulted in an undisclosed sum being paid to the perpetrator, the organization announced Friday.

    Unencrypted data involving the Bush Center’s donors, including names, contact information and contribution history, was compromised during a May security breach, the organization said on its website.

    “Blackbaud informed us that it paid a ransom to the attackers in order to obtain confirmation that the ‎compromised unencrypted information has been destroyed,” the Bush Center said in a statement.

    If you believe the bolded bit I have a feminist-designed bridge to sell you.

  109. notafan

    Yes makka

    And they had the Newmarch experience as a template.

  110. egg_

    Yup, crap evidence from the numpty NT plod.
    Next.

    But still in jail after a bunch of failed appeals.
    And his crooked struck-off lawyer mate Fraser has fallen on his arse … again.
    One day wonder.
    Gone.

    If Lees wasn’t easy on the eye, it wouldn’t have got as much media attention, per Herod.

    Lees reportedly got a £350,000 advance for her book.
    Fraser presumably made a buck out of the doco.
    The corrupt NT Parliament passed a law in 2016 – “no body, no parole”* (a bit difficult for an innocent man – viz the recent Pell furore).

    *Should have applied to the Lindy Chamberlain case?

    Two wymminses tall stories from the outback.

  111. Ed Case

    *** What do you think happened with the low paid immigrants employed by the Aged care contractors? Those ones who live Nth and NW of Melbourne? Let me hazard a guess.***
    Does the Commonwealth pay subsidies to employers of Socially Disadvantaged Minorities?
    Does the Commonwealth encourage this subsidy seeking among employers whose Aged Care Homes it Regulates?
    What percentage of such Homes are run by the, [cough, cough] Christian Churches?
    Anyone know?

  112. amortiser

    Isn’t the Constitution the law which protects the people from the government?

    Now we see the Feds conspiring with McGowan and against the citizens to limit their constitutional rights to cross borders, a right which is explicit in the Constitution. As someone commented above, this is cowardice.

  113. Snoopy:

    The manager of a Melbourne trucking company has been charged with four counts of manslaughter over a crash on the Eastern Freeway in Melbourne earlier this year, in which four police officers were killed.

    Wow!
    I bet this is due to the hiring practices and perhaps failure to adequately screen employees.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    Voting strategy quiz.
    There are two announced candidates for the US Presidential election.
    Both are aligned to major parties – Donald Trump for the Republicans (the incumbent) and Joe Biden for the Democrats.
    I have heard this theory which dictates that a smart voter always puts the sitting member last.
    This means smart voters vote for Biden, no?

  115. vr

    Is NBN down in Melbourne? Getting reports of outage around Caulfield.

  116. egg_

    Let’s not start with the qualifications snobbery.

    That would disqualify many of the blog blowhards.
    Keyboard + Google

  117. johanna

    Aged care facilities have been hotspots all over the world, probably for similar reasons. You have a combination of the highest risk (by orders of magnitude) population all together in one place, and many of them rarely, if ever, go outside in the fresh air. They are overwhelmingly staffed by low skilled or unskilled workers who are often migrants, because the pay is lousy and the jobs are in many cases casual.

    So, a perfect storm.

    That said, there are obviously differences between facilities in terms of how well they handle infection control. This is highlighted every year by the ordinary flu season, or when noravirus breaks out in one of them. Some facilities have big spikes in death rates as a result.

    Horror stories about the standard of care in some of these places are commonplace, have been for many years, and nothing ever seems to change.

  118. incoherent rambler

    Is NBN down in Melbourne?

    Yeah. Most of the time. What’s new?

    It’s up now. Wait 5 minutes… No… yes…

    Unreliable shit.

  119. egg_

    What percentage of such Homes are run by the, [cough, cough] Christian Churches?

    Not-for-Profits* seem to be a rort, themselves.

    *(Prophets?)

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    I have heard this theory which dictates that a smart voter always puts the sitting member last. This means smart voters vote for Biden, no?

    No. There’s always the Libertarian lady, the Green, or Kanye for the Kardashian Party.

  121. Some History

    Dan Andrews and the Premier of Victoria ready for their presser this afternoon.

    https://imgur.com/6jClXuN

  122. Boambee John

    There are variants, and the one I used is an example.

    There are always variants to explain the bin chicken’s grammatical and other infelicities!

  123. Struth

    We aren’t talking cases.

    We are talking dead people.

    And on it goes.

    Hysteria.

    Besides knocking old folks off without a care in the world, and many doing it for sympathetic reasons in old folks homes, 2017 saw a 400% increase in deaths in old folks homes, and guess what , no fucking lock down.

    Again, just look at how the day started off, and then incomes hyperventilating Notafan and it gets all the others stirred up to emote about a Virus.
    Another day lost to a fear mongering MSM, and dodgy Dan’s dodgy stats.

    “We’re talking dead people”

    FMD

    When you sit in a waiting room at the dentist, you can guarantee sooner or later you’ll be in the dentist’s chair.
    When you go to an old folks home……………………………………..I just can’t believe I have to state the bleeding obvious again.
    Smart people lost to hysterics.

  124. Bruce of Newcastle

    Aged care facilities have been hotspots all over the world, probably for similar reasons.

    Having a maniac as governor?

    Gov. Gretchen Whitmer vetoes bill directing COVID-19 patients away from nursing homes (31 Jul)

    Lansing — Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer vetoed Friday a bill from the GOP-controlled Legislature that would have shifted elderly people with COVID-19 away from nursing homes and into entirely separate facilities.

    Only a Democrat could do such a foul thing. I think Cuomo has just dropped to second on the list of most evil politicians in America. Hillary has a lock on third.

  125. Ed Case

    ***They are overwhelmingly staffed by low skilled or unskilled workers who are often migrants, because the pay is lousy and the jobs are in many cases casual.***
    Perhaps.
    We’re talking about Australia here though, Federal Governments are big on subsidising Employers, plus the Minimum Wage is $19.50 plus Casual Loading, so if the employees are the problem, then it’s the result of the Commonwealth engineering the problem and the Commonwealth also being the Regulator.

  126. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    The manager of a Melbourne trucking company has been charged with four counts of manslaughter over a crash on the Eastern Freeway in Melbourne earlier this year, in which four police officers were killed.

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging someone who wasn’t even there, especially as there will not have been any written instructions laying around saying “Use your truck to run over some cops”

  127. EvilElvis

    Now we see the Feds conspiring with McGowan and against the citizens to limit their constitutional rights to cross borders, a right which is explicit in the Constitution. As someone commented above, this is cowardice.

    It’s about ‘the vibe’.

  128. Ed Case

    Industrial Manslaughter Laws?
    Sounds fair enough to me.

  129. incoherent rambler

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging …

    Hey man it’s the vibe that matters!
    y’no like get the evil capitalist bastard.

  130. EvilElvis

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging someone who wasn’t even there, especially as there will not have been any written instructions laying around saying “Use your truck to run over some cops”

    Discrimination and equality wins the day in HR.

  131. egg_

    Aged care facilities have been hotspots all over the world, probably for similar reasons. You have a combination of the highest risk (by orders of magnitude) population all together in one place, and many of them rarely, if ever, go outside in the fresh air.

    Ban ’em in the name of the beer bug – they’re as big a scourge as cruise ships.
    /Sarc

  132. Makka

    Let’s take a quick look at Nancy Pelosi’s district;

  133. incoherent rambler

    Where is work cover?
    Charge the police minister for failing to provide a safe work environment!

  134. egg_

    We aren’t talking cases.

    We are talking dead people.

    And on it goes.

    Hysteria.

    Amen.

  135. The panic in the air is palpable.
    People are snapping and getting aggressive both inside, and in the carpark.

    Sounds just like Catallaxy.
    You’d be right at home.

  136. Makka

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging someone who wasn’t even there, especially as there will not have been any written instructions laying around saying “Use your truck to run over some cops”

    There have been ads all over the tellie from VicGov warning bosses they are criminally liable for workplace accidents and deaths. So I’m guessing these laws exist.

  137. Pedro the Loafer

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging someone who wasn’t even there

    from Sal.
    Same thing occurred to me. I am assuming the manager wasn’t driving or even a passenger in the truck.

    Any legal type Cats have a clue how this came about?

  138. egg_

    Where is work cover?
    Charge the police minister for failing to provide a safe work environment!

    The financial survival of the entity is the peak risk.

    Jail the CMOs for malign incompetence.

  139. Leigh Lowe

    EvilElvis

    #3532263, posted on August 2, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging someone who wasn’t even there, especially as there will not have been any written instructions laying around saying “Use your truck to run over some cops”

    Discrimination and equality wins the day in HR.

    As alluded to, I suspect it might be Dan’s bright shiny new Industrial Manslaughter laws.
    Questions during the week about when we could expect the pollies and bureaucrats responsible for the hotel quarantine to be charged.

  140. incoherent rambler

    VicGov warning bosses they are criminally liable for workplace accidents and deaths …

    Dan of the Dead’s government is the responsible “boss”.

    The govt. employs the police.

  141. Struth

    Isn’t the Constitution the law which protects the people from the government?

    Now we see the Feds conspiring with McGowan and against the citizens to limit their constitutional rights to cross borders, a right which is explicit in the Constitution. As someone commented above, this is cowardice.

    The AG knows what we think they should be doing federally regarding law making and quarantine.
    Whether they agree or not, that letter lets them know what we think, and it’s also gone to Palmer, with the SA AG’s response.
    They’d guess that’s what would happen as well.
    Now if Sco Mo goes in and fights with Palmer, he’d be fighting against himself, because in the end he is the enabler of McGowan’s actions.
    He’s doing a distancing job, and staying under the radar.
    He’s loading the globalist’s gun and Dumb Dan the dodgy stats man is firing the bullets gleefully.
    He has all Sco Mo’s support.
    Sco Mo told us that, himself.
    They have a great working relationship and great respect for each other.

    Sco Mo is the main problem here, not Dan.
    Remember the rest of us are far from being freed from their grip, and the insanity everywhere, even up here in Qld continues as women shit themselves and call for the death penalty if Victorians don’t mask up.

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bruce Rock: Masons Shopping Centre owner Edward Mason believed he had COVID-19 when he burned down supermarket
    Shannon Hampton and Cally DupeThe West Australian
    Thu, 30 July 2020 4:18PM

    A Bruce Rock supermarket owner who smoked eight bongs of cannabis before burning down the town’s only grocery store because he was “obsessed” with COVID-19 and scared of spreading it has avoided going to jail.

    Edward Guy Mason, 57, wanted to take his own life when he arrived at Masons Shopping Centre — which he co-owned with his brother and had been run by his family for half-a-century — and set it alight on March 25.

    It was at the height of the pandemic in WA, and Mason was struggling to keep on top of the stock levels at the store, with panic buyers from outside of town clearing his shelves, leaving his loyal customers angry.

    Mason today avoided jail after District Court Judge John Prior was told that on the night, Mason had not had a holiday for four years, was working long hours, had not been sleeping and had major depression.

    Defence lawyer Richard Lawson said Mason believed he had been infected with the virus and he needed to “eradicate” himself so that he did not spread it to others.

  143. shatterzzz

    Wifey’s family member works in the office for vic rail. The suicide attempts of folks wanting death by train apparently is sky high. There were 10 attempts in one day with about 8 or so being talked out of it.

    How do you talk someone out of it? I would have thought death by train involves walking/jumping in front of a moving one …. not much time for a chat, surely!

  144. caveman

    Is the Eastern Freeway considered a place of work.

  145. egg_

    “We’re talking dead people”

    Brings out the blog Zombies.

    Didn’t Blair call the Greens “the Party of the walking dead”?
    Akin with Frightbats.

  146. miltonf

    Gretchen Whitmer – another truly evil demonrat. So many of them. Said to fond of a dirty joke. A lady she ain’t. Another foul lefty slag.

  147. Mater

    The panic in the air is palpable.
    People are snapping and getting aggressive both inside, and in the carpark.

    Sounds just like Catallaxy.
    You’d be right at home.

    Hey Bob, was the Q Store hermetically sealed?
    Would running scared to it have any utility under the current situation?

  148. egg_

    When you sit in a waiting room at the dentist Doctor’s

    You’re breathing in all the bugs of the great unwashed.

  149. Aged care facilities have been hotspots all over the world, probably for similar reasons. You have a combination of the highest risk (by orders of magnitude) population all together in one place, and many of them rarely, if ever, go outside in the fresh air. They are overwhelmingly staffed by low skilled or unskilled workers who are often migrants, because the pay is lousy and the jobs are in many cases casual.

    True.
    And then along came the entrepreneurs who set about making profits from all this misery.
    The sector went from a perfect storm to a bloody disgrace.
    The investment industry, when it comes to this sector, resembles the virus.
    It has about the same level of morality.
    With any luck, the virus will kill the industry.

  150. Hey Bob, was the Q Store hermetically sealed?
    Would running scared to it have any utility under the current situation?

    And you’d be an authority on “running scared”?
    You never served, were never in uniform, and have absolutely no idea what you’re on about.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Federal support but no cash for locked-down Victoria in Stage 4

    Dennis Shanahan
    Political Editor
    An hour ago August 2, 2020
    16 Comments

    The Morrison government is committed to helping Victoria fight its spiralling coronavirus infection and death rates but reluctant to give special financial treatment to one state because of the COVID-19 outbreak.

    Scott Morrison and Daniel Andrews are due to talk on Sunday about Victoria’s move to Australia’s strictest pandemic restrictions on business, schools, public transport and movement.

    The Victorian Premier will make the decisions on the restrictions and how they are enforced as well as when they will take affect but the Federal government has already signalled it will do what it can to help bring the infectious outbreak under control.

    But senior Coalition ministers are wary of providing commonwealth financial assistance to Victoria above and beyond what has already been provided for all states and territories on a national scale.

    While there are calls to extend the $340 billion JobKeeper and JobSeeker programs for Victoria, given the Budget assumptions the Victorian lockdown would have been lifted in three weeks, not tightened and extended, the Morrison Government is reluctant to single out a state for special assistance because of an outbreak.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  152. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You never served, were never in uniform, and have absolutely no idea what you’re on about.

    More popcorn, anyone?

  153. I see our Health Minister isn’t for turning. From the Hun:

    ‘A rift has emerged within the Andrews Government after Health Minister Jenny Mikakos pushed ahead on new alcohol warnings for pregnant women despite opposition from within senior members of cabinet.
    A meeting of Australian and New Zealand health ministers last month voted that it would be mandatory for alcohol suppliers to use new red and white labels to warn about the dangers of drinking for unborn babies.’

    Why the fuck Unzed has anything to do with health policy here is anyone’s guess. But there you have it.

  154. Fisky

    ***They are overwhelmingly staffed by low skilled or unskilled workers who are often migrants, because the pay is lousy and the jobs are in many cases casual.***

    Aged care has long been the underbelly of our ponzi immigration policy. It is hugely staffed by Africans who have zero interest in looking after old white (probably) racists and wiping their bottoms. At least the Filipinas do it with a smile. But they all do it for PR, not out of love and devotion.

    So I’m not surprised to learn that aged care is a rolling disaster during COVID, but our ponzi immigration policy is the reason behind it.

  155. Speedbox

    How do you talk someone out of it? I would have thought death by train involves walking/jumping in front of a moving one …. not much time for a chat, surely!

    Perhaps surprisingly, those who have self harm intent can often be ‘identified’ by the train network operators prior to the suicide occurring. This is particularly true when the person is in/near a major station or known hotspot. Those areas are extensively covered by CCTV and the operators are on the lookout for potential suicides plus vandals and others. Members of the public also call in ‘suspicious’ behavior.

    Police and train security are advised and sometimes, they arrive beforehand and can make a difference. Also, the Operations Centre can slow/stop a train before it reaches the person’s location. Sadly, many are intent on their self destruction and nothing will stop them.

  156. Sinclair Davidson

    With any luck, the virus will kill the industry.

    Because all the old people will be dead?

  157. Mater

    And you’d be an authority on “running scared”?
    You never served, were never in uniform, and have absolutely no idea what you’re on about.

    Sadly, for this pathetic attempt to gain more details, there is a large chunk of people on here who know me IRL.
    You’re making a dick of yourself…and telling another lie!

  158. Fisky

    Migration to Australia has fallen off a cliff – will it take the economy with it?
    Lower international student numbers amid Covid-19 have hit the education sector hard. It could be just the tip of the iceberg

    Yes it could be and we should hope it is. If HMS Population Ponzi is wrecked on COVID-19, it will have all been thoroughly worth it.

  159. miltonf

    Why the fuck Unzed has anything to do with health policy here is anyone’s guess. But there you have it.

    Horse face is a media approved person and is a useful foil to ScoMo.

  160. egg_

    And then along came the entrepreneurs who set about making profits from all this misery.

    Mr & Mrs Pirate Pete are big investors IIRC.
    Such a magnanimous person.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce Rock: Masons Shopping Centre owner Edward Mason believed he had COVID-19 when he burned down supermarket
    Shannon Hampton and Cally DupeThe West Australian
    Thu, 30 July 2020 4:18PM

    That’s the MSM for you. Zero Chinese crud infections in WA but hysterics from the MSM and they think the Apocalypse has arrived and they’re living in Fallout 3. Especially after 8 bongloads.

  162. woolfe

    Its coming

    #BREAKING: The New South Wales Premier has strongly recommended residents wear a mask.

  163. Because all the old people will be dead?

    Unless you missed it, Sinc, people get old and then they die.
    Charging them as much money as possible for the privilege is the aged care business model.
    Investing in the process, with the aspiration of making a quid out of it, is probably over.
    The Scandis provide a model that would have to work better than ours –

    The authors point to Denmark and Sweden as countries likely to have good quality long term care systems. Both have government expenditure on long term care for older people greater than 4% of Gross Domestic Product (based on OECD data), whereas Australia spends around 1.2%. Both countries fund long term care through local authorities with federal grants and local taxes. Both focus on providing long term care in people’s homes with a moderate proportion of care recipients in residential care institutions.

    Australia’s spending on long term care is among the lowest of the countries in the study. A relatively high proportion of Australia’s long term care recipients are in residential institutions (around 45%) while most other countries support a greater share of their long term care recipients through home and community care. Staffing in Australia’s residential institutions appears at the lower end of the range internationally, both for total staffing and nursing.

  164. Speedbox

    woolfe
    #3532302, posted on August 2, 2020 at 1:32 pm
    Its coming

    Beyond any doubt.

  165. egg_

    VicGov warning bosses they are criminally liable for workplace accidents and deaths

    Then why isn’t the corrupt VIC Govt in gaol, with so many deaths on its hands?

  166. Sadly, for this pathetic attempt to gain more details, there is a large chunk of people on here who know me IRL.

    I’m not after “more details” – just proof that you actually served.
    Until you furnish it, you are no different from the many keyboard warriors who litter the internet with wouldabeen pixels.
    The “large chunk of people” you refer to are probably in the same boat.
    My service is on record.
    Yours isn’t.
    Put up or shut up.

  167. egg_

    Aged care has long been the underbelly of our ponzi immigration policy. It is hugely staffed by Africans who have zero interest in looking after old white (probably) racists and wiping their bottoms. At least the Filipinas do it with a smile. But they all do it for PR, not out of love and devotion.

    Didn’t a Cat once post about their elderly Digger dad having his @rse wiped by a 6’4″ African Trannie?

  168. Bruce of Newcastle

    With any luck, the virus will kill the industry.

    Numbers – I’ve had recent engagement with Catholic Care, and someone I know works night shift in Anglicare.

    You’re comments are offensive.

    These poor people are trying to defend a fortress against an invisible enemy. They are striving very hard, and you see that with the controls they put onto visitors. Their charges are the most vulnerable people in the country. A single virus and the place becomes a charnel house.

    Would you like that level of responsibility on your shoulders? Especially when it is so hard to get staff. And anyone you get could have asymptotic coronavirus and not even know it, like the poor staffer of Hindmarch. How do you live with that terrible guilt?

  169. JC

    If HMS Population Ponzi is wrecked on COVID-19, it will have all been thoroughly worth it.

    What’s the right population size for Australia Fisk. A number.

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    Your not you’re. I’m upset with Numbers, he has a mind that I would not want to meet in a dark alley.

  171. Mater

    Something to think about.

    What if the Vic government had put as much effort and resources into protecting the vulnerable, as they did in trying to exert unrealistic control over the entire population?
    I think our nursing homes and certain acute wards, would be better off.

    “Jack of all trades, master of none“, as they say.

  172. Woolfe and Speedbox, pretty sure the NSW Premier was on Triple M snippet saying you should wear a mask if you are travelling on public transport, pretty much if outside and among other people. But I didn’t hear it was mandatory. I could be wrong but sure there is no fine if contravening.

  173. Gab

    When is Dan the Covid Man going to be lecturing Victorians today? Anyone know?

  174. JC

    There are some real fucking arseholes in this world. I went shopping with wifey as she wanted to do some panic shopping and needed a bag carrier. We were waiting in line at the fish counter at the market and this fat pig tries to push in and takes a spot at the counter. It wasn’t our line. I called him an arsehole out loud.. then a second later I suggested it’s really hard for fat pigs to try and sneak in without being obvious because they take up too much space. Line cheats really disgust me. They think people don’t notice.

  175. Gab

    Numbers, you angry Vietman, have you prayed the Holy Rosary today?

  176. Fisky

    What’s the right population size for Australia Fisk. A number.

    We don’t need a target population number. What we need is to break the Big Australia ponzi economy into pieces. Utterly destroy every pillar of Big Australia (property ponzi, immigration ponzi, China engagement) until there is no hope of rebuilding it.

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We had a few minor internet problems watching Caligula in Wome last nite. Now absolutely no Telstra internet and my Vodaphone (have this because Telstra 4G signal is weak in our street) also without signal for a while. Could it be related? I enquire of Hairy. Check your wifi in Settings, he replies. Huh? Is that here? I ask, going to the only place I have found it in the past. No, it’s an app, he says. I don’t do apps, I reply. Yes you do, he says, so sounding wise, I say is it a Denial of Service issue when it says DNS?

    Just don’t, he says wearily, just don’t, and wanders away muttering the word folklore. Anyway, Vodaphone 4G is ok now, it seems to have fixed itself. Telstra internet still down.

  178. Numbers – I’ve had recent engagement with Catholic Care, and someone I know works night shift in Anglicare.

    You’re comments are offensive.

    And the industry is offensive.
    Show me where I’ve criticised the staff.
    Given that I have a brother who’s been working in the industry as a medical registrar for years, I have a good appreciation of what care providers are going through right now.
    The Australian industry (and for that matter the industry in most western countries) is stuffed.
    Vulnerable people do not thrive in institutional care.
    If the RC does its job it will document that.

  179. Terry Pedersen

    What if the Vic government had put as much effort and resources into protecting the vulnerable

    As I mentioned earlier:

    Victoria has over 180 publicly-run aged care centres, which have had only a small number of infections. The disastrous COVID-19 outbreaks are overwhelmingly in the privately run aged care homes.

  180. Roger

    Can’t wait to see the rationale for charging someone who wasn’t even there, especially as there will not have been any written instructions laying around saying “Use your truck to run over some cops”

    It will be manslaughter by criminal negligence, with the prosecutor arguing that the owner, who was responsible for rostering his drivers, ought to have known that the driver in question was exhausted through overwork and was therefore not in a fit state to drive.

  181. egg_

    ” I do not see myself as a smart man, just an average bloke.

    I hear this a lot.
    It usually precedes a long dissertation which seems aimed at leading the reader/listener to conclude that the opening statement is based on misplaced humility.“

    Red rag to the bull – “the smartest man in the room”?
    Too bad he’s basically an unqualified blowhard.

    Such modesty:

    I have you pegged BG.
    If you think the relatively mild take-down of the Cruise Queen was something … I can do better.

  182. Makka

    We don’t need a target population number.

    Correct. We should be targeting a growth rate based on organic growth. If it’s a real issue then let it go to a referendum because the current turbo immigration policies of the last 20 years have fkd this country beyond measure.

  183. calli

    I plan to care for my parents in my home when the time comes. Not everyone has the privilege of doing this.

    Other than “institutions”, what are the alternatives?

  184. Stimpson J. Cat

    Aged care has long been the underbelly of our ponzi immigration policy. It is hugely staffed by Africans who have zero interest in looking after old white (probably) racists and wiping their bottoms. At least the Filipinas do it with a smile. But they all do it for PR, not out of love and devotion.

    Anyone who works in that industry is an absolute hero.

    Take this website as an example:

    Just reading a lot of the sh$t you fat old people post is hard enough, but literally cleaning up your sh$t as well?

    You should be very thankful indeed!!!

    Notice they aren’t posting videos on TikTok like all the doctors and nurses?

    It’s because they actually work for a living caring for the parents you refuse to look after yourself.

    Imagine outsourcing someone to look after your family for you,
    when you could yourself if you made a few lifestyle changes.
    Why are we here?
    What’s more important?
    Do you believe in reincarnation,
    do you think you will get another chance?

    Enjoy those cruises and holidays though,
    you’ve got time for that!!!

    😂

  185. Bruce of Newcastle

    And the industry is offensive.

    Why? The need is absolutely necessary given the defeat of most other pathogens. People are living to ages unheard of since Biblical times, yet the brain and the body still fail despite the progressive elimination of other modes of mortality.

    Not all people have family who can be carers. And 24/7 care is very demanding, which can be done in a setting with shift workers, but not at home with a family member. That is simple division of labour known since the times of the Sumerians.

    I hope Numbers when you are in need of such care that you will find kind people in a home to give you it.

  186. Mater

    I’m not after “more details” – just proof that you actually served.
    Until you furnish it, you are no different from the many keyboard warriors who litter the internet with wouldabeen pixels.
    The “large chunk of people” you refer to are probably in the same boat.

    I’m not interested in what you believe. Unlike you, I don’t use my service as either a sword or a shield on this site. My comments will be judged on their merits. I don’t use an appeal to authority in an attempt to brow beat people and, unlike you, I haven’t been continually caught out telling lies and contradicting myself.

    I make no claims about you, that you haven’t furnished me (and the rest of this blog) with.

    My service is on record.

    Yes, as are the litany of lies you’ve posted over the years about yourself, your Section mates and even your own father.

    You’re pathetic, and people are treating you accordingly. If you had any shame whatsoever, you’d remove yourself from this blog.

  187. Fisky

    Indeed, Makka. It would make as much sense to set a government target population number as it would to do so with housing prices. Targets are for socialists. What we need is a set of systems and policies that will dismantle the failed ponzi economy model.

  188. Ed Case

    ***Would you like that level of responsibility on your shoulders? Especially when it is so hard to get staff. And anyone you get could have asymptotic coronavirus and not even know it, like the poor staffer of Hindmarch. ***
    Steady on.
    The Commonwealth heavily subsidises Unskilled Migrants intro ”Low Skill Industries”.
    That changes the Economic Dynamic.
    What’s the real wage paid by the Aged Care Operator after the subsidies?
    $4/hour?
    Nobody looking for work can compete against that, and it gets baked into the operating costs cake
    for all operators.

  189. The disastrous COVID-19 outbreaks are overwhelmingly in the privately run aged care homes.

    Privatisation has no place in aged care.
    It actually has no place in day care, either, but that’s another story.
    Again, the Scandinavians are way ahead of us with Educare.

    Overall, many argue that universal, integrated childcare and education plays an important role in terms of social cohesion and national advancement. It has positive flow-on effects in the areas of health, productivity, tax revenue and in addressing the gender pay gap, thus providing compelling reasons to emulate the Swedish model.

  190. Makka

    Other than “institutions”, what are the alternatives?

    calli, after a series of “mini” strokes, Mrs M arranged in home care with a provider (Qld). Visits 3 times a week, with meals on wheels etc. For 12 years it worked perfectly well albeit with the usual mobility mods in the home. He passed last year in hospital due to old age but his frail years were spent happily and comfortably at his home of near 70 years.

  191. JC

    Fisk

    It’s a just a feels thing then, right?

  192. Leigh Lowe

    Where does the freakin’ money go in aged care.
    They snavel the pension, sometimes with a top up, for soneone to have a sparsely furnished dog-kennel room and served shitty food.
    I was talking to a chef a while back who said he knew someone cooking in aged care.
    The budget for ingredients was somewhere between $6 – $7 per day per person.
    My dog Spot (not his real name) eats better than that.

  193. Mater

    Victoria has over 180 publicly-run aged care centres, which have had only a small number of infections. The disastrous COVID-19 outbreaks are overwhelmingly in the privately run aged care homes.

    Go and have a look at the Health and Well-being Act 2008, which they have enacted.
    It basically gives them unfettered power over anyone and anything in this State, and they haven’t been afraid to use it.
    They have completely screwed the pooch by trying to hold the tide back, rather than concentrate on creating appropriate safe harbours for those who were really at risk.

  194. JC

    Fisk

    when you suggest we’re running a population ponzi, it means that by default you either believe the population size or the rate is too high. Which is it?

  195. Privatisation has no place in aged care.

    Oh really?

    So we need state run, compulsory agreed care?

    It actually has no place in day care, either, but that’s another story.

    Lunatic stuff. Compulsory state child minding.

    So Mum can sell packets of nails at Bunnings.

  196. Leigh Lowe

    He passed last year in hospital due to old age but his frail years were spent happily and comfortably at his home of near 70 years.

    That is the best (and cheapest) model.
    Unfortunately, for those with advanced dementia, staying at home without supervision is not really a great idea … plastic kettles on gas stoves etc etc.

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My mum was in a Catholic aged-care high-dependency home, a beautiful old building with independent rooms for residents, and although she hated simply having to be there, they were wonderfully humane in very difficult situations. A few quite young very permanently disabled people also lived there and spent their days visiting from room to room. I went to pick up her things after she was returned to hospital and two days later had died there. Her room was already reoccupied and her things in storage. Good places have a long waiting list.

  198. Fisky

    when you suggest we’re running a population ponzi, it means that by default you either believe the population size or the rate is too high. Which is it?

    Only morons set targets. Smart people have systems. I know that if I minimise carbs, maximise fat and protein, skip a meal or two a week, and do a few compound workouts, I’ll be in magnificent shape. So we don’t need a population target, we just need to reduce immigration (maybe halve it or more) along with a few other things in order to move the ship in the right direction.

  199. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    It will be manslaughter by criminal negligence, with the prosecutor arguing that the owner, who was responsible for rostering his drivers, ought to have known that the driver in question was exhausted through overwork and was therefore not in a fit state to drive.

    One step closer to communism.
    In the people’s paradises when a similar event happened (truck, train, boat crash with fatalities or costly damage) it was pretty much an automatic 10 years behind wire digging salt for anybody in the immediate chain of command.

    If he’s jailed for it, watch businesses move out of Victoriastan faster than Democrat voters are leaving California.

  200. rickw

    Wifey’s family member works in the office for vic rail. The suicide attempts of folks wanting death by train apparently is sky high. There were 10 attempts in one day with about 8 or so being talked out of it.

    How do you talk someone out of it? I would have thought death by train involves walking/jumping in front of a moving one …. not much time for a chat, surely!

    I had a mate who was a train driver. Normally the attempts are down to screwed up timing or picking the wrong train. i.e. it wasn’t an express running past the platform.

  201. Bruce of Newcastle

    Privatisation has no place in aged care.

    Can you imagine government care? Eww! The NHS in the UK is bad enough, lefty government-run aged care facilities would make Victorian Dickensian orphanages look good.

  202. johanna

    Read a report somewhere recently (sorry, can’t remember where) that US workers are getting very jacked off with having to wear a mask all day. They are complaining of headaches, breathing problems, extra fatigue, skin rashes and so on. Not surprising. No doubt it is the same for Australians.

    As I have asked before, where are the unions, the Wukkas’ Friends, in all this? They seem to be lying doggo. I really feel sorry for anybody who has to wear one of those wretched contraptions all day. Given the union freakouts about vital issues like the standard of tea and coffee facilities in the workplace, you would think that they had some sort of opinion about the compulsory masks. If they do, it is well hidden.

    I see that Our Glad is encouraging everyone to wear them when venturing out. Well, as I reported yesterday, at the mall and surrounds yesterday I did not see a single one. We don’t have any live cases around here and haven’t for a couple of months. Why should we?

    As Cardimona’s daughter pointed out, most politicians have no idea what goes on in places far away from their Parliament House.

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I chose this place but saw a few others, some good too, but one where I was so appalled I literally would not have put a sick dog there.

  204. Makka

    Unfortunately, for those with advanced dementia, staying at home without supervision is not really a great idea … plastic kettles on gas stoves etc etc.

    Yes, he was never afflicted fortunately.

  205. Tel

    https://omny.fm/shows/the-trey-gowdy-podcast/sen-graham-on-mueller-probe-time-for-us-to-look-at

    Interesting podcast if anyone is interested. Trey Gowdy talks about crime and justice and the next step after Mueller.

  206. notafan

    My friend is caring for her mother with dementia at home.

    Trouble with stage 4 lockdown will be whether she will be allowed family help.

    Best if possible Calli.

    My grandmother did that for her uncle back in the fifties.

    Small farmhouse, without electricity or mains water.

    Heroism in this day and age.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    They have completely screwed the pooch by trying to hold the tide back, rather than concentrate on creating appropriate safe harbours for those who were really at risk.

    And Dan has painted himself so far into the suppression corner, politically he can’t jump to a targeted “safe harbours for leaky boats” strategy.
    And with a “cult of personality” CMO having his face on doona covers and phone cases …

  208. JC

    Fisk

    The current Australian population of natural born is below replacement.

    1.76 births per woman (2017)

    So we don’t need a population target, we just need to reduce immigration (maybe halve it or more) along with a few other things in order to move the ship in the right direction.

    That’s not a target? 🙂

  209. You’re pathetic, and people are treating you accordingly.

    I regard abuse on this site as a badge of honour.
    It shows that you, and most who post here, lack the capacity to challenge my posts.
    Ad hom abuse is a lazy cop out.
    If was getting praise from a group of extremists I’d be worried.
    I have never lied about my service, but I have, in honesty, made it available to all who post here.
    The fact that you are afraid to do likewise speaks volumes about your credibility and your motives.
    Doxing the dead is about as low as you can go.
    If you had any shame whatsoever, you’d remove yourself from this blog.
    But you would have to take the whole peanut gallery with you, and I guess that’s a bit much to ask.
    In the meantime, I’ll continue posting so long as Sinc keeps sending me a dozen good reds every time posts meet his benchmark.
    And I will take no account of the abuse.
    It’s always a good motivator, and a sign that heads are exploding.
    Put up or shut up…

  210. JC

    Interesting podcast if anyone is interested. Trey Gowdy talks about crime and justice and the next step after Mueller.

    Gowdy was absolutely fucking useless. He talked a big book and nothing happened – even when they were majority. He’s not worth the air he breathes.

    All he did was appear on cable as a talking head. That’s his claim to fame.

  211. rickw

    One step closer to communism.
    In the people’s paradises when a similar event happened (truck, train, boat crash with fatalities or costly damage) it was pretty much an automatic 10 years behind wire digging salt for anybody in the immediate chain of command.

    If he’s jailed for it, watch businesses move out of Victoriastan faster than Democrat voters are leaving California.

    If he goes down, no doubt it won’t be for an actual roster that breaches fatigue management rules, rather it will be for some sort of BS failure to assess goat shaggers actual fatigue and insufficient reinforcement that a driver should not drive when tired and declare themselves unfit for work.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3532358, posted on August 2, 2020 at 2:16 pm

    You’re pathetic, and people are treating you accordingly.

    I regard abuse on this site as a badge of honour.

    Spuds got more medals than Idi Amin.
    Hoe, Hoe, Hoe Chi Minh!!!

  213. Stimpson J. Cat

    In the meantime, I’ll continue posting so long as Sinc keeps sending me a dozen good reds every time posts meet his benchmark.

    Vietnam War Blog……Confirmed!!!!!

  214. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Privatisation has no place in aged care.

    Would there be room for profit-making private consultancies?
    Of is that limited to only the education system?

  215. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers, that’s hilarious. I can’t recall a single time, not one, that you have prevailed in an argument with me. One or two documentary links and you vanish.

    That’s why I am so confident of my personal political and moral position: if you, who hate conservatives so much, can’t land a single hit on a knowledgeable conservative, it means we’re doing the right thing.

  216. rickw

    The current Australian population of natural born is below replacement.

    That’s a feature, not a fault.

    Look how readily Hungary has fixed their own birth rates with a plan for near zero immigration.

  217. Struth

    The Commonwealth heavily subsidises Unskilled Migrants intro ”Low Skill Industries”.

    Can you link to that?
    I can’t find it on wage subsidy gov sites.

  218. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    I regard abuse on this site as a badge of honour.
    It shows that you, and most who post here, lack the capacity to challenge my posts.
    Ad hom abuse is a lazy cop out.

    +1
    Actually, make that: +100

  219. JC

    If it’s not the pubbling, generalized blowharding and plussing, there’s always a chance to join a posse for a stoush troll.

  220. Speedbox

    Black Ball
    #3532318, posted on August 2, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    Woolfe and Speedbox, pretty sure the NSW Premier was on Triple M snippet saying you should wear a mask if you are travelling on public transport, pretty much if outside and among other people. But I didn’t hear it was mandatory.

    Black Ball – agreed, not mandatory…..yet. I interpreted Woolfe’s comments meaning as a prelude to mandatory in due course and I think he is correct. The NSW Premier’s comments are, in my opinion, an initial ‘softening up’ exercise that will follow through to the introduction of a mandatory requirement.

    On the plus side, masks must be playing havoc with the facial recognition software. 🙂

  221. Numbers, that’s hilarious. I can’t recall a single time, not one, that you have prevailed in an argument with me. One or two documentary links and you vanish.

    Greatest fools are the most often satisfied. – (Nicolas Boileau-Despreaux)

  222. Makka

    Can you link to that?
    I can’t find it on wage subsidy gov sites.

    Subsidized through the implementation of our ridiculous immigration policies.

  223. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    If it’s not the pubbling, generalized blowharding and plussing, there’s always a chance to join a posse for a stoush troll.

    You had your clock cleaned for you properly a few nights ago, when your mouth exceeded your ability to back it up.

    STFU & let people who know what they’re talking about have room – you’re not only the blog’s equivalent of dribbling demented Joe Biden, you’re the blog’s equivalent of a blowfly ridden sack of shit.

    Stop stinking the place up with your irrelevant & plain stupid bullshit.
    Go away until you grow a pair & you’re able to back up your mouth……. (heh heh)

  224. Tel

    Numbers, that’s hilarious. I can’t recall a single time, not one, that you have prevailed in an argument with me. One or two documentary links and you vanish.

    He has already prevailed, even by getting you to take him seriously enough to argue. His purpose clearly cannot be expansion of knowledge, truth, nor any positive achievement. His only purpose is to waste your time and give himself a pat on the back that another sucker got involved with his garbage. If you enjoy that sort of thing, then fine that’s your choice. I’m just making sure you understand the deal.

  225. Ed Case

    The issue with WH&S Legislation is that no one has ever challenged it in Court.
    No doubt deals are done in return for Guilty pleas and that beats risking a poor outcome.

    But it does seem wrong that Dick Pusey is going to prison for doing 92 mph and taking a leak on a deserted freeway, while the driver who ”saw a Witch” and skittled 4 people plus wrecking a Porsche is walking, and the bloke who hired him will walk away with a 6 digit Fine plus 6 digit Costs.

  226. woolfe

    Speedbox, Yep, that was my intent. WoMandatory is coming to NSW. you are being softened up.

  227. egg_

    From previous, Police interview with a psychopath, where he’s acting like “the Chairman of the Board” ordering them about according to Jordan Peterson.
    This creep strangled? at least half a dozen women over a decade, yet the denial is so deep, watch how he acts.
    A lightly built little POS, to boot.

  228. Makka

    Look how readily Hungary has fixed their own birth rates with a plan for near zero immigration.

    Exactly. Solutions exist but it would mean the dismantling of many powerful vested interests , rent seekers and their protected and extremely profitable scams. Protected by our fully captured UNiparty Govts.

  229. Tel

    There really is such a word as pubbling and it means going to the pub.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pubbling

    I’m a bit too old for that these days. No one likes those old men who sit in the corner, I would rather sit under a tree in my own yard.

  230. egg_

    Ad hom abuse is a lazy cop out.

    It’s certainly not an argument.

  231. JC

    Driller

    You’ve never cleaned anyone’s clock here least of all me, you delusional imbecile.

    STFU & let people who know what they’re talking about have room – you’re not only the blog’s equivalent of dribbling demented Joe Biden, you’re the blog’s equivalent of a blowfly ridden sack of shit.

    Stop stinking the place up with your irrelevant & plain stupid bullshit.

    As an example.. like this, right?

    Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr
    #3532368, posted on August 2, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    I regard abuse on this site as a badge of honour.
    It shows that you, and most who post here, lack the capacity to challenge my posts.
    Ad hom abuse is a lazy cop out.

    +1
    Actually, make that: +100

    Go away until you grow a pair & you’re able to back up your mouth……. (heh heh)

    Only yellow bellied cowards try to join pile-ons. That’s you. Now go clean the bar, you worthless dickhead. Countless nuts is worthless and he’s less useless than you are, you unethical turd.

  232. Dr Faustus

    Victoria: A State of Disaster.
    Officially.

  233. Bruce of Newcastle

    Greatest fools are the most often satisfied. – (Nicolas Boileau-Despreaux)

    What’s that got to do with reasoned argument Numbers? I can’t recall you ever managing to falsify or disprove any science or logic I’ve given you. You got any examples? I admit my memory isn’t perfect, and I am willing to entertain correction. I note though that you never discuss global warming with me any more. Why is that?

  234. calli

    Tel, the comment I responded to was

    Vulnerable people do not thrive in institutional care.

    That changed to “privatised” institutional care.

    I tend to agree with the comment about any sort of institution for the elderly, unless they are suffering severe physical impairment (and that includes advanced dementia) where they need hospitalisation and treatment that can’t possibly be done within the home.

    It’s an interesting conversation to have here – so many have either experienced looking after elderly loved ones or are on the cusp of making these big decisions.

  235. Dr Faustus

    Victoria: 1 hour per day in the exercise yard.

  236. Ed Case

    The Commonwealth heavily subsidises Unskilled Migrants intro ”Low Skill Industries”.

    ***Can you link to that?
    I can’t find it on wage subsidy gov sites.
    ***
    It’s common knowledge.
    The Aged Care providers are also Training Providers, so they have their snouts in a few pies we pay for.
    Can I ask you to link to these ”wage subsidy gov. sites”?

  237. Dr Faustus

    Victoria: 1 person allowed out to shop, per day.

  238. dover_beach

    ‘State of disater’ declared in Victoria. And nightime curfews.

  239. cohenite

    Went for a walk during the chunk cyber attack; solved several neighbour’s legal problems and have come back refreshed, ready to polish head prefect’s arse.

  240. Dr Faustus

    Victoria: instructions for the destruction of the economy to come tomorrow.

  241. Bruce of Newcastle

    Look how readily Hungary has fixed their own birth rates with a plan for near zero immigration.

    One for mum, one for dad, and one for the country (here’s $5,000). Works amazingly well.

  242. Tintarella di Luna

    The Commonwealth heavily subsidises Unskilled Migrants intro ”Low Skill Industries”.

    I wonder what is the definition of “Low Skill Industries” and who decides.

  243. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    while the driver who ”saw a Witch” and skittled 4 people plus wrecking a Porsche is walking,

    Errr, he didn’t apply for bail, was remanded in custody,and faces the beak in October.

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