What does this mean?

With Victoria declaring Stage 4 restrictions:

Only essential services supplying medical needs, food, power and communications will be permitted to remain open under new Stage 4 coronavirus restrictions announced by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews today

Can it be concluded that Australia is pursing a New Zealand style eradication strategy rather than a containment strategy?  If this is the case, what does this mean?

This is obviously not an exhaustive list, but to TAFKAS’ thinking ….

  • No significant numbers of foreign students for a while.  What does this mean for universities and the language colleges and the student accommodation businesses.  Education is Australia’s 2nd largest export after resources.
  • No international travel for quite a while – in or out.  What does this mean for those businesses and industries reliant on international tourism?  Tourism is Australia’s 3rd largest export after resources.  Will this hit Queensland disproportionately hard?
  • Will there be a manufacturing renaissance in Australia?  Is this possible with Australia’s expensive and risky energy systems.  But if yes, will it be a highly capital based manufacturing platform, high on the machines, robots and computers and low on the labour?
  • For how much longer will Australian governments be able to maintain current levels of spending and private sector crowding out before Australia’s credit rating is impacted thus affecting mortgage and general borrowing rates?
  • Will this crisis expand to the point that superannuation is nationalised in exchange for a restructured universal pension?
  • Will the Australian Federation fracture with harder border closures followed by a rethink of horizontal fiscal equalisation?

There was a brief moment that TAFKAS thought that, on a relative basis, Australia might come out of this Corona Crisis better than other nations, but he no longer thinks this.

Australia, because of perceptions of containing the disease could have been a magnet for global capital and talent.  Coupled with reform that should have followed.  But the light on the hill has turned out to be a couple of hobos sheltering under a tree, lighting up a Winfield Blue.

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73 Responses to What does this mean?

  1. Frank

    For many years I was quite fond of Winfield Blue. Hobos can’t afford to smoke them these days. Otherwise agreed, we are all screwed.

  2. Rusty of Qld

    Andrews and his cabinet should be swinging from lamp posts outside of Victoria’s Parliament house.
    If he is re-elected this will surely confirm how f*#kd Victoria and this country is.

  3. JC

    If he is re-elected this will surely confirm how f*#kd Victoria and this country is.

    He’ll be sainted and the left will erect statues of the hunchback for his bravery. Watch.

  4. Just Passing By

    It’s almost like governments that consume billions of dollars each year should have a plan.

  5. duncanm

    There is no ‘end game’ – that’s the problem. Andrews can’t think past the next media release.

  6. Wallace

    The press conference today was the usual shambles by Andrews, a minute of what the state of the state is in, and an hour of waffle, contradictory information and talking down to the citizens there-of.
    Amongst the platitudes were announcements of where we are going for the next six weeks in Victoriastan.
    What he failed miserably to get into his message was the difference between his constituency in inner Melbourne and the rest of Victoria.
    Dan, please realise that there are people outside your Union controlled bubble and the real citizens of the state are confused with your way of thinking.
    Are we in stage three or four outside the bubble?
    You said we were, then you said no we weren’t, then you said we were. Where is Mitchell, in or out?
    Please let me know before the wallopers tell me.

  7. HT

    duncanm
    #3534046, posted on August 3, 2020 at 5:57 pm
    There is no ‘end game’ – that’s the problem. Andrews can’t think past the next media release.

    It’s not just Andrews. It’s whole wretched lot of the bastards.

  8. Sunbird

    Common sense told me all along that sweeden had the only realistic approach. Even NZ will eventually succumb.

  9. Rockdoctor

    Just a thought. If states are all acting on their own volition then how come we are seeing both NSW & SA with a fraction of the infections heading towards closures again & virtue signalling like face masks? I get the feeling there is some sort of centralised control going on somewhere, Fed CMO or bureaucrats perhaps?

    I give it till the end of the week till Gladys starts foisting masks on to NSW & closing parts of the state down again, hope I am wrong though.

  10. Leo G

    Only essential services supplying medical needs, food, power and communications will be permitted to remain open under new Stage 4 coronavirus restrictions announced by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews today

    People in the funereal state will have to adjust to conditions without water and sewerage services, garbage collection, various emergency services, banking, public transport etc.

  11. HT

    Wallace
    #3534051, posted on August 3, 2020 at 6:01 pm
    The press conference today was the usual shambles by Andrews, a minute of what the state of the state is in, and an hour of waffle, contradictory information and talking down to the citizens there-of.

    I watched it live as well. And I was left with same questions. And of course there was his theatrical late arrival, knowing 6 million people were waiting on his every injunction.

    What’s that old Jewish curse? Sums up my thoughts about our current political leaders: “May you be rich enough to own a house with 100 rooms, and may you be found dead in every one of them.”

  12. duncanm

    Sunbird
    #3534072, posted on August 3, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    Common sense told me all along that sweeden had the only realistic approach. Even NZ will eventually succumb.

    exactly. The only plan that makes any sense at all is ‘keep critical cases below hospital capacity thresholds’.

    Everything else is dreaming for unicorns and chocolate rivers.

    It is not as if we don’t have evidence that trying to isolate ourselves won’t work in the long run. It didn’t work in the 1918 flu pandemic for those pacific islands who isolated themselves, why would it now?

    Pacific islands which escaped the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic and their subsequent mortality experiences

    Very few Pacific islands escaped the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic. Subsequent influenza epidemics in the established colonial outposts of American Samoa and New Caledonia infected many but killed very few persons whereas the extraordinarily isolated Niue, Rotuma, Jaliut and Yule islands experienced high mortality influenza epidemics (>3% of population) following 1918. These dichotomous outcomes indicate that previous influenza exposure and degree of epidemiological isolation were important mortality risk factors during influenza epidemics on Pacific islands.

  13. Megan

    Common sense told me all along that sweeden had the only realistic approach. Even NZ will eventually succumb.

    It will be the case study for sane and rational decision making when this mass delusion is over. Their CMO has a good brain and actually knows how to use it.

    I am repeating myself but we are being subjected to the biggest mass experiment in Australian history. There are no guidelines, no ethical considerations, no controls, and no idea what we are actually trying to achieve.
    It is proof that political arse covering will always triumph over people’s livelihoods, mental health, liberty and their future. It nothing but an unmitigated disgrace.

  14. sfw

    Just heard on the radio, Dear Diktator stated that they estimate that 250,000 Victorians had lost their jobs so far and that his (supposedly) six week current lockdown would result in another 250,000 losing their jobs. He seems proud of this, I had thought that he was incompetent but I realise that he is genuinely evil. Yet the majority especially women think he’s doing a great job.

    I’m staggered, I didn’t believe that so many people would look up and admire an evil man. I know that the Europeans do it every now and then but here in Australia?

  15. Stanley

    So, unless the Portland Al smelter makes metal for food cans, its goodbye……

  16. Ozman

    Australia not place for deceptive face.
    Victoriastan belong next to Uzbekistan.
    Fulan Gong says, “No want stan. No want dan.”
    Tell him go Afghanistan.
    If not like, go Iran.
    Kung Flu do big deal there.
    More than $24 billion.
    Small mind can grow.
    Shifty eye become fix.

    Economist Danielle DiMartino Booth sees Australia as standing up to China. Just hasn’t realized what is happening in the deep down under. The devil is not in Tasmania.

  17. Jannie

    It looks like the objective has been to make Australia 100% covid free, and the effort to achieve that cost around $850B in costs, lost production and borrowings. Objective failure.

    Worse, Australia is at the beginning of the epidemic, while countries like the USA and UK are at the tail end.

  18. Roger

    Common sense told me all along that sweeden had the only realistic approach. Even NZ will eventually succumb.

    The realistic approach was a targeted response based on local conditions.

    The epidemiologists advocating this in February/March have since been cancelled as covid deniers.

  19. Speedbox

    A couple of weeks ago, I said this:

    Instead, we have moved from containment to ‘flatten the curve’ to openly talking about eradication. We may as well talk about unicorns.

    Eradication is clearly the new game in town. Each State is pursuing their own pathway but essentially, the job losses and trashing of the respective State and/or national economy is now the ‘accepted’ outcome. The authorities have given up any pretense of economic responsibility or ‘saving a bit until later’. Borrowing money like a crack addict, none seem to give a shit.

    The authorities talk about getting the virus ‘under control’. Really? And what does that ‘control’ look like? What is the exit plan? How is that ‘snap-back’ looking?

    Business, especially small business owners, are being economically crucified. Meanwhile, Government mouth platitudes about knowing ‘how hard it is’.

    I doubt that any Cat contributor alive today will see the national debt from this event repaid.

  20. flyingduk

    Will this crisis expand to the point that superannuation is nationalised in exchange for a restructured universal pension?

    Ive been expecting this for a while…

  21. flyingduk

    It will be the case study for sane and rational decision making when this mass delusion is over. Their CMO has a good brain and actually knows how to use it.

    Your dreaming… the globalists will NEVER let the Swedish approach be judged superior, regardless of the data.

  22. Squirrel

    Today’s gem from the Spring St. spinners is describing severely restricted businesses as being on a “pilot light” (that’s poilot loit in comrade-speak) – no, Dan, they’re not pilot lights, they’re flickering candles in a very strong wind.

  23. gowest

    seems our state premiers are following the democrat mayor playbook – make scomo look bad somehow…

  24. When and where is the anti-tyranny demonstration in Melbourne?

  25. Tim Neilson

    Just a thought. If states are all acting on their own volition then how come we are seeing both NSW & SA with a fraction of the infections heading towards closures again & virtue signalling like face masks? I get the feeling there is some sort of centralised control going on somewhere, Fed CMO or bureaucrats perhaps?

    I give it till the end of the week till Gladys starts foisting masks on to NSW & closing parts of the state down again, hope I am wrong though.

    They’re scared that if they don’t and the case numbers go up the Karens of both sexes – sorry, all genders -will start screaming “why didn’t you act sooner?”. Economic damage is a much lower order priority, and as for civil liberties, forget it.

    And that’s what’s in store here in CFMEUistan even if we do get case numbers low enough to enable the Hunchback to claim justification for the lockdowns. The moment restrictions ease case numbers will go up, restrictions will be reimposed till the numbers are back down, rinse, repeat till there’s not one sentient being in the universe optimistic enough to re-open a business here when the restrictions get lifted again. Then we’ll have permanent “lockdown” because there’ll be no jobs to go to and no shops or other businesses to visit so no-one will bother to leave their house.
    Unless a vaccine gets invented first. It’s our only hope.

  26. ProfessorbFred Lenin

    I wonder how the ancient Kings and their advisors reacted to The Plague and the Black Death ?
    Did they borrow heaps of money tohelp their subjects ?
    The lack of labour after these events boosted the incomes of the workers ,pay up or we wontbwork for you ?

  27. Barry

    No, our only hope is for uncontrolled spread and herd immunity. A vaccine is years away.

  28. Rohan

    The official list of what can remain open is a mishmash list of have and have nots.

    Thankfully I’m working for an essential business because we supply the transmission/distribution companies with products to maintain power poles.

    It’s still going to be a challenge. Dan Xi Man hasn’t released the guidelines on what a covid safe business looks like.

  29. Tel

    There is no ‘end game’ – that’s the problem. Andrews can’t think past the next media release.

    The “end game” is centralized power, same as the opening and the mid game. Obviously they can’t say this, therefore they waffle about everything else in order to play for time.

    When things go badly wrong, they will inevitability blame capitalism, pick a few scapegoats to single out, and force the remainder to “take a knee”. It’s been their formula in the past, and we are not dealing with particularly creative people here.

  30. Sean

    What’s 25% capacity in construction terms anyway. At peak of a project there’s a lot more people on site than towards the end/start of a job. It’s not really a solid target to aim at. If you run an accelerated construction program then 25% of that could be over 50% of the normal workforce.

  31. Charles Rasp

    Eradication is not possible without total isolation …. and total isolation was never on the table (except maybe in WA where it is extremely popular). The beast is unleashed though and all Australia will be visited at some stage in the next year (WA included). Might as well go Sweden, but do a better job on the nursing homes and meatworks (if the Hunchback can tell the difference).

  32. Leo G

    I get the feeling there is some sort of centralised control going on somewhere, Fed CMO or bureaucrats perhaps?

    There has been huge public and private investment in the development of prospective vaccines for COVID and investors prefer that expenditure to alternative approaches such as therapeutics.
    The lesson from history though, is that virus vaccination reduces reported infection rates for all age groups but does not appear to reduce hospitalisation or mortality rates for those aged over 65 years.
    Accordingly, I expect COVID vaccines may not improve outcomes for those over 65 years, even though they account for the greater part of COVID serious cases and deaths.
    “Flattening the curve” is double-speak for maintaining a high proportion of the population uninfected, in fear of infection, and receptive to the notion of a vaccination “cure”.

  33. Stanley

    Will this crisis expand to the point that superannuation is nationalised in exchange for a restructured universal pension?

    Ive been expecting this for a while…

    The easiest way for reducing the debt is to bring back death duties. Hate to say this but if all countries agreed together to quash tax havens, and the voters gladly accept death duties provided there is a threshold that means the majority is not affected, then bazinga! Say $5 mill?

    Also a tweak of GST will help.

  34. gowest

    Heard Scomo’s Canberra medical expert – give his expert opinion on hydroclox whatever the covid preventative – “it dont work”. Wonder why we never heard this when Tom Hanks and his wife were being treated successfully in Australia OR when the Princess passengers were successfully treated in Japan – or when 1 came back and ended up dieing in Australia. What is with these experts?

  35. mareeS

    Victoria has sent itself off the mainland.

  36. MACK

    There is no ‘end game’ – that’s the problem. Andrews can’t think past the next media release
    The end game is Danny’s approval rating being acceptable and getting him re-elected. His spin doctors guide him on a daily basis, and that’s why everything is inconsistent. eg Just a few days ago Brett Sutton said “masks are our Stage 4”, and then changed his mind. Masks is just political pandering to the small minds who have to have things that are concrete and visible.
    https://www.facebook.com/100008747559062/videos/2403654553269440/?t=1

  37. mundi

    Despite saying only essentials he is letting horse racing stay open, while a metal fab workshop has to close.

    Dictator Dan is an absolute joke.

    This is going to cause utter chaos.

    Can’t wait for police to start raiding “illegal” workplaces.

    WTF IS GOING ON!

    Victorians are seriously in trouble. Dictator Dan could hardly hold back his excitement at the extra 250,000 extra people out of work he was about to create.

  38. Old School Conservative

    Michael Smith nails it with a most appropriate description – “command and control economy”.
    Haven’t heard that one in awhile.

  39. Megan

    It will be the case study for sane and rational decision making when this mass delusion is over. Their CMO has a good brain and actually knows how to use it.

    Your dreaming… the globalists will NEVER let the Swedish approach be judged superior, regardless of the data.

    I did say when this mass delusion is over. I agree that it’s an assumption that may never happen in our lifetime.

  40. MareeS

    Victoria has decoupled itself from the Federation, and good riddance. Likewise Qld, WA, SA, Tasmania. NSW is, and has always been the smart builder of Australia.

  41. mark

    I get the feeling there is some sort of centralised control going on somewhere, Fed CMO or bureaucrats perhaps?

    It’s been clear for quite a number of years as to what is now occurring.
    However, conspiracy theory nutters etc..

    The information is all out there, you just need to seek and join the dots.

  42. sfw

    When the madness in Vic finally subsides, the second great fleeing of the state will begin, The first one was in the dying of the Cain Kirner era, many many people, especially those with young families sold up and moved to Qld. Most to the Gold Coast/Brisbane area. The healthy climate, the great work prospects and a scent of freedom took them away. In the area around where I lived at the time I estimate that up to 10% of those between 20 and 40 went (mainly) north.

    I don’t know where the preferred destination will be this time but I’m certain that lots of them are looking at options and making plans already. Vic will be left with proportionally more welfare seekers, older people and diversity enhancers. Unless a Kennett style gov appears the decline will be long, bitter and terrible to watch, much less live in.

  43. mundi

    They won’t be going to QLD….

    Even before covid QLD was in a recession with a decrease in net jobs occurring.

    It’s now a border line disaster up here. Once job keeper and jobseeker winds back reality is going to be hitting people at a million miles an hour.

    QLD is one of the most over regulated places on earth. Labor promoters believe creating inspectors and licensing for anything and everything “creates jobs” and therefore is “good”.

  44. flyingduk

    Once job keeper and jobseeker winds back reality is going to be hitting people at a million miles an hour.

    All these new dependency payments are not going away, Scomo will fold on the rollbacks. If he doesnt, PM Albaneezy will simply reinstate them.

  45. Mark M

    The author is blinkered by TDS, but, otherwise a long and interesting piece – many links …

    Hydroxychloroquine: The Narrative That it Doesn’t Work is the Biggest Hoax in Recent Human History

    https://truthabouthcq.com/hcq-works/

  46. flyingduk

    Heard Scomo’s Canberra medical expert – give his expert opinion on hydroclox whatever the covid preventative – “it dont work”. Wonder why we never heard this when Tom Hanks and his wife were being treated successfully in Australia OR when the Princess passengers were successfully treated in Japan – or when 1 came back and ended up dieing in Australia. What is with these experts?

    Sadly, just one more example of what a dried out whore ‘science’ has become. You get the answer you pay for. Think solar power, e ciggies, and now HCQ. Im a physician btw, and would definitely take HCQ, there is plenty of evidence of efficacy, unlike Remdesivir, which is probably useless.

  47. mareeS

    Someone, somewhere, cooked up this virus scare.I don’t want to read or hear about it anymore, it’s doing my head in, ruining the life of one of our children. And to what purpose? To hobble us in chains.

  48. Iampeter

    But the light on the hill has turned out to be a couple of hobos sheltering under a tree, lighting up a Winfield Blue.

    Nah, it’s a “manufacturing renaissance.”

    Nationalists, conservatives, environmentalists and Trump supporters should be loving all this.

  49. Alan

    TAFKAS thinking: Australia’s largest export = resources.
    So what does this mean?
    The government expects iron ore prices to *halve* over the next six months?
    The July economic and fiscal update is sticking to $US55 a tonne free on board (FOB), which is trading roughly around $US105 a tonne in the spot market excluding the price of cost and freight, which currently stands at about $US8.15 a tonne.
    What’s that going to do to the share prices of Fortescue Metals Group, BHP and Rio Tinto Ltd, for the resources sector, or the market in general?

  50. sfw

    mareeS, same with me but it’s unavoidable, I mainly watch youtube on TV and I’m rereading all my Dickens and have deleted my FB account but you can’t avoid it. My oldest son has a wife and two kids and bought their first house 12 months ago, his future looks bleak. He’s on the mortgage holiday at the moment but when that expires and the banks (justifiably) want their money what happens? There must be hundreds of thousands in the same situation. Yet our insane premier just keeps doubling down. I’m staggered at the number of people (mainly women) who believe him to be doing a great job. I just don’t get it but when all the media and the radio DJs are giving him the equivalent of a hand job at every interview what hope is there?

  51. John Bayley

    The easiest way for reducing the debt is to bring back death duties. Hate to say this but if all countries agreed together to quash tax havens, and the voters gladly accept death duties provided there is a threshold that means the majority is not affected, then bazinga! Say $5 mill?

    Leaving aside the basic ethical issue about encouraging yet more theft & waste by the politicians, haven’t you worked out yet that no matter how much revenue the State gets, it is never enough?

    Just look at the Australian government revenue & spending figures over time to see what I mean.

    Your death duty idea would just open the door for the $5M threshold to in due course become $50K or even less.

    The only answer is emphatically NOT to give the parasites any more money, but to instead cut spending.
    Aren’t we ‘all in this together’ after all? /s

    Anyway, living within the budget constraints may only happen if we were to go back to some sort of hard money standard. The ‘flexible’ fiat system is, just like all such attempts in the past, simply morphing into ‘printathon without limits’, because it is much easier to get away with robbing people by inflation than increasing taxes.

    The debt resulting from this farce will never be paid off. Notice that nobody, anywhere, even mentions such ‘goal’ any longer?
    Instead we have the Magic Money Theory, which says exactly what the politicians want to hear.
    Hence, it will first be ‘helicopter money’ and then ‘wheelbarrow money’. With the only difference being that thanks to banning cash, there will be no problem with fitting all the zeros on the bank notes.

  52. Diogenes

    I give it till the end of the week till Gladys starts foisting masks on to NSW & closing parts of the state down again, hope I am wrong though.

    Rumour , and I emphasise rumour and speculation, has it that we will lock down in 3 or so weeks here in NSW.
    Why that timing?
    Year 12 will have completed their trial HSC exams.

  53. Chris M

    Michael Smith nails it with a most appropriate description – “command and control economy”

    Well put! And isn’t that the definition of Fascism? We will allow you to own the business but you will perform and produce what we require. As compared to Communism where everything is govt owned.

    So it’s Duce Dan.

  54. TPL001

    1. TAKFAS: Will this crisis expand to the point that superannuation is nationalised in exchange for a restructured universal pension?
    Agreed … or something similar. Watch that space. There is too much money there to leave it in private hands. The idea behind a universal basic income is not yet dead.

    2. TAKFAS: Will the Australian Federation fracture with harder border closures followed by a rethink of horizontal fiscal equalisation?
    No. The states need each other. We have a constitution.

    3. The gradual, iterative wearing down by centralists that we need money (i.e. currency). Get rid of it and watch central banks and government indebt themselves into the abyss.

    4. The next Victoria state election will be held on Saturday, 26 November 2022. Only 842 sleeps to go!

  55. Alex

    NSW is, and has always been the smart builder of Australia” Really? What about the Ruby Princess, what about BLM protests. Without WA and QLD resources our dear motherland would sink and I say this as a NSW’er. Maybe it is time for both states to secede however can it be done when Palace-chook is gone, hopefully in October?

  56. It’s a lot easier to fine people into lounging around at home, let’s see Viceroy Andrews force Australians out into the country to help with the wheat harvest.

  57. sfw

    I read somewher (Lockdown Sceptics?) that Andrews has given police the power to enter your home without a warrant for the purpose of ensuring compliance. Is this so? If so how can he do this? Surely an unelected person can’t make a regulation that allows for that?

  58. sfw

    When I meant unelected I mean the Chief Health Officer or similar, they seem to be able to make regs at will.

    True and disgusting. Where is Liberty Vic now? I suppose that it’s a leftie gov and they don’t care.

  59. Rossini

    Stanley
    #3534373, posted on August 3, 2020 at 9:53 pm
    The easiest way for reducing the debt is to bring back death duties. Hate to say this but if all countries agreed together to quash tax havens, and the voters gladly accept death duties provided there is a threshold that means the majority is not affected, then bazinga! Say $5 mill?

    Why have a limit …once you are dead you cannot spend
    Take the lot……………….Fucken idiots

  60. Shelley

    Rockdoctor
    #3534092, posted on August 3, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    Quite agree Rockdoctor. It certainly does appear that way. There was always going to be the fabled ‘second wave’. All part of the plan.

  61. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    There was a brief moment that TAFKAS thought that, on a relative basis, Australia might come out of this Corona Crisis better than other nations, but he no longer thinks this.

    All thanks to Dunderhead Dan Xi Man, Emir of Disasterstan.

  62. old bloke

    gowest
    #3534171, posted on August 3, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    seems our state premiers are following the democrat mayor playbook – make scomo look bad somehow…

    In six months time, Scott Morrison will be blamed for the needless deaths of hundreds (thousands?) of Australians because of the TGA’s ban on hydroxychloroquine. I can see Albo in Parliament waving bunches of scientific reports which show the efficacy of HCQ, while calling Morrison a murderer.

    Morrison will be blamed, quite deservedly so.

  63. Oh come on

    Hi Anne! Haven’t seen you for a while.

  64. duncanm

    More on the public health powers in Vic here

    You’re already in a police state victoria, but its the ‘health’ stasi who have the power.

    The chief health officer could also give authorised officers the power to exercise the following “public health risk powers” if it is deemed necessary to investigate, eliminate or reduce the risk to public health:

    Close any premises
    Direct people and groups to enter, not enter, remain at or leave any premises. The authorised officers must give a period of time, of under four hours, for the direction to be complied with
    Enter any premises without a warrant to search and seize “any thing that is necessary for the purpose of investigating, eliminating or reducing the risk to public health”. The officers can only use this power if they “reasonably” believe there may be an immediate risk to public health
    Require “any information” needed
    Require people to provide their name and address, inspect any premises, require the cleaning or disinfection of any premises “where the risk to public health may arise”, require the destruction or disposal “of any thing”
    Direct any other person to take any other action the authorised officer considers necessary

  65. Ozman

    flyingduk
    #3534601, posted on August 4, 2020 at 7:54 am

    Sadly, just one more example of what a dried out whore ‘science’ has become. You get the answer you pay for. Think solar power, e ciggies, and now HCQ. Im a physician btw, and would definitely take HCQ, there is plenty of evidence of efficacy, unlike Remdesivir, which is probably useless.

    Rmdesivir US $3120 per patient. HCQ around US $20. Says much!

  66. Lee

    No, our only hope is for uncontrolled spread and herd immunity. A vaccine is years away.

    A vaccine may never be found.
    I came around to your thinking many weeks ago.
    Safeguard the elderly and vulnerable, but keep businesses, shops, schools and industry open.
    Keep as many of the non-vulnerable in work as possible.

  67. A reader

    I sincerely hope you’re wrong Diogenes. If they lock us down again I’m actually fucked. The one positive thing going for NSW is a sensible treasurer so we might not go there, especially with the comments from the NSW CMO the other day.

    Also, locking down for 10-12 infections a day makes no sense even if lockdowns work (and we know they don’t)

  68. The Beer Whisperer

    But if yes, will it be a highly capital based manufacturing platform, high on the machines, robots and computers and low on the labour?

    Trump’s tightening on southern border “immigration” has resulted in increased automation in meat packing plants. While it is only to the levels already standard in Europe, its a small fraction of its previous employee levels, virtually all of which were illegal immigrants.

    This threat must be turned into an opportunity at, erm, every opportunity.

  69. Catcalling Inebriate

    Australia makes no effort whatsoever to attract capital, other than that which inflates asset prices. Central agencies of Government imposed a process that homogenised the bueauracy and removed any knowledge or expertise. Canberra is now consultant heaven. Rent-seeking is, officially, the business of the PS.
    Meanwhile the private sector has lived large on what has become a banal process of captive savings, asset trading and market consolidation. (With honourable exceptions.)
    As in the US, the swamp is a mix of Martin Place and Manuka.

  70. John A

    Only essential services supplying medical needs, food, power and communications will be permitted to remain open under new Stage 4 coronavirus restrictions announced by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews today

    In our integrated economy/ies there is no such thing as a “non-essential” service or business. Everything connects to everything else. And eventually, the essential services (like hospitals) face a shortage or some supplier is unable to supply because a long way up the supply chain, a business was declared “non-essential” and told to shut down (and shut up, too!).

    The entire government attitude, as focused through Diktator Dan, is malevolent.

  71. The Sheriff

    The economy is imploding and civil liberties are dead in Victoria. It was bad enough when the Hunchback banned silent prayer in the vicinity of abortion slaughterhouses, now one’s home can be invaded by state-sponsored stormtroopers without a warrant.

    Silence from Michael O’Brien, Cindy McLeish, Peter Walsh, Stephanie Ryan means the idiots in the Victorian LNP must support this farce. Perhaps it is time to revoke Victorian statehood. But don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll find a way to get elected in 2022 by promising to be tougher on harmless CO2 than the Paris Accord and marching at Mardi Gras…not.

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