Tuesday Forum: August 4, 2020

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  1. It’s Remarkable

    I just read in the Grain Growers regular email, that evidently masks are required to be worn by farmers while working on their farms, in Victoria.
    Can someone help me with the logic of this: miles away from anyone, and even then likely to be a family member who they live with, no ‘cases’ anywhere within cooee, and the massive ineffectiveness of a paper mask used outdoors in physical work.
    Have we lost all sense??

    Besides, how is this going to be enforced.

  2. feelthebern

    Besides, how is this going to be enforced.

    Karens.

  3. Gab

    I have no idea myself, Jo, so I’ll take your word for it. 🙂

  4. Gab

    Besides, how is this going to be enforced.

    Drones operated by Karens.

  5. notafan

    They will Makka

    Newmarch in Sydney seemed to manage to allow family members in.

  6. mh

    Kanye is today’s Knievel.

  7. rickw

    I just read in the Grain Growers regular email, that evidently masks are required to be worn by farmers while working on their farms, in Victoria.

    It’s true.

    What use is it? How is it enforced?

    Don’t ask these sorts of questions, this is dickhead dan’s viktoria, STFU!

  8. Nick

    The MemoryFault Big Website.

    Wasn’t it ‘fat boy’ ?

  9. Gab

    I’ve read it was ‘Ultra’. Not sure how correct that is though.

  10. It’s Remarkable

    And what is worse is that the grain growers organisation – supposed to represent grain farmers in Aust – is evidently supportive of this madness.

  11. Top Ender

    And the results are in!

    Atomic War Quiz!
    • One question every 15.
    • Answers must be in to the former question by the time of the next post.
    • 10 points per question. Part marks may be given. 10 questions.

    Prize: signed copy of Top Ender’s new book Atomic Salvation – posted anywhere in Oz.

    Q1. From what island did the atomic bombing missions take off?

    Tinian Island

    Q2. The Hiroshima strike is often described as a one or two plane mission, but that is not correct. How many B-29 bombers actually were deployed to make the mission a success?

    Six:

    Three weather planes flew ahead, taking off first and covering a target each so the weather could be assessed over the prospective raid site. Two other B-29 bombers accompanied Enola Gay, which had been just named after pilot Colonel Tibbets’ mother. The two escort planes carried cameras and measuring devices.

    Q3. Enola Gay climbed to her bombing height of 32,000 feet, reaching it by 0725h local time.

    The instrument aircraft, The Great Artiste, throttled back until she was 1,000 feet behind the bomber, and the camera plane, Number 91, began to circle for photographs. At 0813 and 30 seconds the Enola Gay was handed over to Bombardier Ferebee for the target run. At 0815 and 17 seconds the bomb bay doors opened and the weapon was released. It was to take X seconds to fall to its detonation height.

    How many seconds?

    43

    Q4.

    What was the sad fate of Corporal John Long, from Pennsylvania, an air gunner from a downed B-24, in the Nagasaki attack?

    He was a POW imprisoned nearby, who died in the blast.

    Q5. If the war had proceeded conventionally, the Japanese had plenty of suicide troops ready to go. What type of suicide weapons did they have?

    Aircraft; submarines, speedboats, and divers. Militia personnel were also prepared to die with “satchel charges” by hurling themselves under enemy vehicles, for example, and detonating their explosive charge. They also would have used what they had developed in chemical, biological and nuclear devices – and these to get to the target would likely have involved suicide troops.

    Q6. Very difficult so double points. In WWII, the USA’s Office of Strategic Services, the forerunner of the CIA, formed a group known as “Alsos”, to track and if necessary destroy any components of a German nuclear program. It was under the command of General Leslie Groves, who would later head up the Manhattan Project. What was ironic about the names?

    Groves translates into Greek as “alsos”.

    Q7. Most Allied deaths were from accident than from combat. To look at United States Army Air Force losses is instructive. For every one plane lost to enemy action, X more were lost to misadventure. These accidents were inevitable given the intensity of operations and the equipment of the time. Aircraft of the 1940s were simply not as safe as those of the time this book was written more than 70 years later. They did not have Global Positioning System navigation, for example, and getting lost was always a possibility. Bomber navigators worked their position through dead reckoning; star plotting through astrodomes when flying at night, and some crude electronics. Mechanical and electronic systems did not have triple redundancies as they do today. Crew training was measured in weeks rather than years. Aircrews were also pushing their airframes and engines to the limits in order to maximize effect.

    What is X in this case?

    6

    Q8. The USSR factor is often thought of as significant in the A-Bomb debates. How many aircraft carriers were the Russkis trying to develop for the war?

    Three. Soviet Russia is actually thought by some to have been completing the carrier Krasnaya Znamya in 1945, a 60 aircraft ship of 22,000 tons. Laid down in Leningrad in 1939, she is said to have been completed by 1945. A second hull named Voroshilov may have been begun, and a small seaplane carrier named Stalin may have also existed. None of these were known to be anywhere near operational ¬– it is worth noting that mere completion of the ships was worthless unless naval air units were able to be embarked and used. The skillsets necessary, such as taking off and landing on a carrier, take years for a navy to develop. The Russian Navy was composed of several battleships; cruisers, and a host of smaller vessels such as destroyers, and around 100 submarines, many of the latter small and their abilities doubtful.

    Q9. The intelligence officer of the US Fifth Air Force declared on 21 July, 1945, that “the entire population of Japan is a proper military target,” and he added emphatically, “There are no __________ in Japan.”

    What was he talking about?

    Civilians.

    Q10. The Emperor’s speech to the nation was ready to go. Rebel officers decided to capture him as he had been misled. They would smash the recordings of the speech. What were they recorded in, and where were they successfully hidden from the rebels?

    The NHK engineers had nervously set up a recording facility near the Emperor’s location, and planned to cut a vinyl record of his speech. The Emperor’s staff brought him to the studio, and the recording was made. But the first recording had some imperfections, and the Emperor requested another try. This was carried out, and the two records were now ready for broadcasting back at the main facility of the NHK the following day.

    The recordings made by the Emperor, on the two discs, were stored overnight by the Emperor’s by-now fearful chamberlains in a small safe with papers piled in front of it: this kept them hidden. The concealment was a most fortuitous move. If they had been seized and destroyed an official announcement to the nation – presumably an altered version of the speech read by an announcer – would have lacked much of divine authority the voice of the Emperor would have imparted to his people, almost all of whom had never heard his voice before.

    Scores:

    Zulu 10, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10
    Rickw 10, 5, 5, 5, 10, 5, 3
    Dr Faustus 5
    KD 5, 5
    Derp 10
    Vlad 10, 5, 20, 3
    Calli 3
    Legalise Sedition 10
    Bruce 10, 20, 10, 10
    Gab 5, 5, 10, 10
    Armadillo 5

    First – Zulu – 69
    Second – Bruce – 50
    Third – Rickw – 43

    Get my email address from the site owner, Zulu, and send me your address, and any rude comments to go in the front.

  12. Makka

    Referee in Souths v Broncs is an absolute shocker. I wouldn’t let him umpire a marbles match.

  13. Gab

    Well done, Zulu! Or should I say, omedeto!!

  14. custard

    I think the circumstances that Evil Elvis and areff found themselves in this last little while are reprehensible. God help our country.

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    Thanks TE – a lot of fun!

  16. Armadillo

    I’m happy with my performance. Thanks Toppy.

    (please don’t alert him to the fact he left out the “minus” in front of my score)

  17. Gab

    Thanks, Top Ender.
    Good questions.

  18. I just read in the Grain Growers regular email, that evidently masks are required to be worn by farmers while working on their farms, in Victoria.

    Anyone know how this is being observed in shearing sheds?

  19. A shearing family I am very good friends with posted pics of masks adorning their face in the shed. FMD

  20. Thanks Top Ender. Came in late – I’d have got Five, maybe Six. Nothing special.

  21. Only through Facebook virtue signalling Salvatore. Unless WorkSafe make an appearance, it cannot possibly be enforced

  22. It’s Remarkable
    #3539633, posted on August 7, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    I just read in the Grain Growers regular email, that evidently masks are required to be worn by farmers while working on their farms, in Victoria.
    Can someone help me with the logic of this: miles away from anyone, and even then likely to be a family member who they live with, no ‘cases’ anywhere within cooee, and the massive ineffectiveness of a paper mask used outdoors in physical work.
    Have we lost all sense??

    Besides, how is this going to be enforced.

    What a bunch of fucktards.

  23. Doomlord just getting a little excited as we speak

  24. Jo

    Sorry Venona was the soviet project. Ultra was a later version of Enigma. The poms had already broken the Japanese code but didn’t want the tanks to know. Purple comes to mind as I write this. Have it in books somewhere.

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    Roger/areff…have just read your beautiful piece in Quadrant about Billie….thank you for sharing.

    I am reminded of those wonderful words…that “grief is the price we pay for love”.

  26. feelthebern

    Wasn’t ultra the CIA program that the Unabomber & Charles Manson got caught up in?

  27. I think the circumstances that Evil Elvis and areff found themselves in this last little while are reprehensible. God help our country.

    I think it might be time to call curtains on the experiment called Australia. It has done enough damage to its inhabitants.

    If NSW goes to lockdown again and it is for years, remind me why I should be nationalistic, let alone patriotic.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    I think the circumstances that Evil Elvis and areff found themselves in this last little while are reprehensible. God help our country

    I drove past our local cemetery today and saw a small gathering (no I didn’t count) all masked up.
    I wouldn’t want to be the copper who lived in this town who wrote out tickets at a funeral.
    And no wake.
    That is where the grieving transitions from the depths of despair to the bittersweet sharing of memories.
    And proper wakes are not about lifes “great achievements” you hear in some eulogies.
    It is about the little things in life.

  29. Ammonium Nitrate experts: Re the first stage of Beirut’s most recent urban renewal project;

    There was purportedly circa 3,000 tons of ammonium nitrate packed into a shed & had been sitting there for Six years or so.
    It was ignited by a fire or something.

    I’ve used ammonium nitrate no more than the next bloke has – just regular blasting around the farm, plus a little bit of “yippee blasting” of a few things.
    She’s powerful stuff, despite minimum formal training in explosives I can do a fair bit of damage with not much ammonium nitrate (a beer stein full will keep me going for quite a while destroying things)

    I know she’s a whole lot easier to make go “bang” than some supposedly highly credentialled experts are making out, & it’ll go “bang” a whole lot more dangerously than some would first expect.
    & she’s easier to set off than some may first realise.

    My question: If a bluddee yuuuge amount like 3,000 tonnes is packed densely into a pile, & is ignited by a regular fire – will the whole lot explode?
    It won’t go up all with one thunderclap, one end would be exploding while the other end of the shed is still asleep.
    Was that too much of the stuff & the ignition too dispersed, for the whole lot to actually go up?

    Was a lot of it flung through the air (like greasy confetti) before the explosion could reach it?

    Did we see the result of not 3,000 tons of explosion, but say half or less of that amount?

  30. Davey Boy

    Why did the current Cat post on Hugh Rimington’s comment suddenly just disappear?
    Memory holed?

  31. Cold-Hands

    Not one person in the most important time in his life was allowed to be with him. No comfort. No support. No loved ones allowed to hold his hand, brush his forehead or whisper old stories or words of love and support to him. The most important time to receive support. Taken away by a hysterical, media driven state.

    An absolute disgrace.

    Condolences, Elvis.
    However, one of the “reasons” that Dictator Dan will permit movement outside the home is

    “If you live in metropolitan Melbourne or Mitchell Shire, there are only four reasons you can leave home:

    1 Shopping for food or other essential items
    2 To provide care giving, for compassionate reasons or to seek medical treatment

    […]

    As part of Stay at Home restrictions, Victorians living in metropolitan Melbourne or Mitchell Shire cannot have visitors at their home, unless it is for care or an essential service.

    Ministering to a dying relative would have to qualify under the second reason. Given you’d only have to give a reason if bailed up by Plod, there’s really no reason to allow anyone to die alone, although visitations from all of the family (even if spaced, and one at a time) would probably get you dobbed in by the neighbourhood Stasi.

  32. Boambee John

    Gab
    #3539645, posted on August 7, 2020 at 9:13 pm
    I’ve read it was ‘Ultra’. Not sure how correct that is though.

    For breaking of Japanese ciphers, the word was “Purple”.

  33. Evil Elvis: That’s a heartbreaker story. I’m very sorry to learn it.

  34. notafan

    If the relative is in a nursing home they may not allow any visitors.

  35. Cold-Hands

    Bill Whittle takes on revisionist condemnations of the A-Bombs.

  36. Robber Baron

    My local childcare centre has a staff member diagnosed WuFlu +. It is mainly staffed with subcontinentals and ropers. My kid is a “close contact”. DHHS contact tracing will contact me. I have been advised that my 3 year old must self-isolate for 14 days.

    A 3 year old must self-isolate! This nation is screwed.

    BTW…no one in this house has any symptoms.

    I will now be harassed by Dan’s goons.

    Any suggestions how to deal with this?

  37. Boambee John

    USN submarine commanders received Purple data. The commander of one sub, knowing the value of the product, and worried that he might crack under torture, chose to go down with with his sinking boat after the rest of the crew abandoned it (it had been able to surface).

    Unfortunately, I no longer remember his name, nor that of his boat.

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The poms had already broken the Japanese code but didn’t want the tanks to know.

    That was the basis of a fairly average book “Betrayal At Pearl Harbor – How Churchill Lured Roosevelt into World War Two” by Rusbridger and Nave. The theme was that the British had broken the Japanese codes, but concealed the fact to allow the attack on Pearl Harbor to go ahead, and embroil the Unites States in World War Two. Nave – Eric Nave – was an Australian officer on loan to the Brits, who had been working on the Japanese codes, but later disavowed the whole premise of the book. From memory, Rusbridger later took his own life in rather spectacular circumstances.

  39. Steve trickler

    My first time listening to the original. The paintings from Konstantin Razumov are a bonus.

    Stunning.



  40. 132andBush

    And what is worse is that the grain growers organisation – supposed to represent grain farmers in Aust – is evidently supportive of this madness.

    It’s the old “just wanting to do the right thing” thing.

    This is post modern pandemic response.

  41. Makka

    Any suggestions how to deal with this?

    You’re the man of the house presumably. Keep harmony in the house for the 14 days, family well being comes first. No need to add additional stress.

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for 132andBush.

    Back, from up the Wheatbelt, this morning. If all goes well – no frost, and decent finishing rains- we are looking at a two tonne crop….I know, I know, it’s a marginal area….

    110% lambing, from Merino ewes…Sliante…

  43. Terry Pedersen

    Any suggestions how to deal with this?

    Yes. Self isolate with your family. If any of you develop symptoms, even mild ones, get tested.

  44. Farmer Gez

    I just read in the Grain Growers regular email, that evidently masks are required to be worn by farmers while working on their farms, in Victoria.

    Nah. Our beloved leader has graciously granted us kulaks the freedom to not wear a mask on our farm as long as we are not working with others.

  45. Tel

    Any suggestions how to deal with this?

    Bolt the hatch shut and lock it.

    You did prepare a bunker? Tell me you prepared a bunker!

  46. MemoryFault

    Thanks Steve.
    What a truly beautiful woman, in the classical sense of the word.

  47. notafan

    Baron

    What was last day in contact with the centre?

    I’d count from then.

  48. Cold-Hands

    The paintings from Konstantin Razumov are a bonus

    The sepia wash is an interesting stylistic take given how much better they look in colour.

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    Well, the Giants got up.

    Looking forward to the now-customary televised reacharound session in the sheds.

  50. Nick

    Lol the Bombers blew it.
    That fricken awful GWS song….

  51. Nick

    KD, how weird was that ? The Swans, I’d understand.

  52. Yes and just like that, Essendon lose, like good losers

  53. 132andBush

    Good news, Zulu.

    We’ve just had 27mm with more to come.

    Harvesting client at Walgett got another 30mm+

    NSW has now closed down it’s borders even more.

    As it stands now contractors from Vic can’t get into NSW let alone QLD.
    CQ harvest less than 6 weeks away.

  54. Knuckle Dragger, I am with Richie Benaud. Classic commentary E on that album.
    ‘Just a bit of Seppo bullshit the West Indies brought into the game. I reckon there is no better way of celebrating than the traditional Australian hug, a kiss or a lick. A grope on the arse or a dry root.’

  55. Yes. Self isolate with your family. If any of you develop symptoms, even mild ones, get tested.

    This is insanity.

    COVID-19 is worse than a cold but less worse than the flu.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    Dunno what the rationale was behind that Nick.

    Played plenty of footy as a slightly younger bloke, but never felt the requirement to grab a teammate on the stalk post match as a congratulatory gesture.

  57. Gab

    Essendon Pride Worldwide

    Has a very gay title.

  58. MemoryFault

    This is insanity.

    Is it, Dot?
    If it is insanity, it is very focused insanity.
    I’ll put that another way – if you were hell bent on bankrupting this country, what would you do that isn’t already being done, or has been stated will be done?

  59. K2

    Dan Butler (ex-Tiger) was up to those shenanigans after the St.Kilda game last night. It must be a Richmond thing, and possibly a contributing factor to their success. Kind of like the Spartans.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #3539708, posted on August 7, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    KD, how weird was that ? The Swans, I’d understand.

    Look it was a tiny bit ghey, and pretty puerile stuff but Rimmer-Ton has totally overcooked it.
    He has looked at the video and judged by the look on Choi’s face … helloooo! Body language experts strike again! … that a sexual assault has taken place.
    Even got a “criminal lawyer’s opinion” (cough – Andrew Fraser?).
    Within four hours the Tiger’s players issue a statement which opens Rimmer-Ton up to all sorts of action.
    The key question in sexual assault cases is consent.
    Choi Boi says he wasn’t bovvered.
    Game, set and match, Rimmer-ton.
    J’ism 101 for j’isms reporting on sexual assault.
    Don’t go to press unless the “victim” tells you that a physical interaction of a sexual nature took place and it was unwelcome and non-consensual.
    If the Richmond players wanted to get up Rimmer-ton (in a legal sense) they could complain of a breach of j’ism ethics (such as they are).
    They won’t of course.
    But Rimmer-ton should have asked Choi-Boi the questions.
    If he says it was all OK, no story.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    MemoryFault

    #3539721, posted on August 7, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    This is insanity.

    Is it, Dot?
    If it is insanity, it is very focused insanity.
    I’ll put that another way – if you were hell bent on bankrupting this country, what would you do that isn’t already being done,

    I’d get a Mexican cartel to sell sham websites to naive pensioners at $20 large a copy.
    Next question?

  62. JC

    This is insanity.

    COVID-19 is worse than a cold but less worse than the flu.

    It’s a little worse than the flu for older people, although symptom-wise I’m not sure you can tell the difference between the flu and a cold. The problem with the china bug is that it can be in your system for 12 days without showing up and cause contagion on a large scale as the rate is 2.5 vs the flu of about 1. You may also not know you have it and still spread it around. That’s what makes it diabolical.

  63. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Legalise Sedition at 8:48 pm:

    ” You need to watch the second half of Death Wish naked, stroking your member with a ka bar.

    Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    I do believe, Dot, that is the most appawlling observation I have ever encountered on the interwebs.

  64. JC

    Jeez lord. No. Just no.

    Midnight Oil returns with fiery single

    Its first new music since 2002 is an another propulsive and provocative offering from a band that has long shown an uncommonly deep respect for Indigenous Australians.

    Get a load of lurch.

  65. MatrixTransform

    the missus just bought me this gem … sorry only a spazzBook link

    All of Australia right now

  66. jupes

    Jupes, what that stat means is that WWII aircrew were killed in training, air-tests, ground accidents, idiocy, mechanical malfunction, getting lost, mid-air collisions, nav errors such as flying into mountains, and so on – at a rate of six for every one killed in combat.

    Combat was only a very small part of their existence every month.

    That measure is from the start of their training. Appalling, but true.

    It still seems hard to believe. Even a ratio of 1:1 training vs combat would seem hard to believe.

    Here are some stats from wiki in regard to (British) Bomber Command:

    Bomber Command crews also suffered an extremely high casualty rate: 55,573 killed out of a total of 125,000 aircrew (a 44.4 percent death rate), a further 8,403 were wounded in action and 9,838 became prisoners of war. This covered all Bomber Command operations including tactical support for ground operations and mining of sea lanes.[clarification needed][27]

    A Bomber Command crew member had a worse chance of survival than an infantry officer in World War I; more people were killed serving in Bomber Command than in the Blitz, or the bombings of Hamburg or Dresden.[27] By comparison, the US Eighth Air Force, which flew daylight raids over Europe, had 350,000 aircrew during the war and suffered 26,000 killed and 23,000 POWs.[27] Of the RAF Bomber Command personnel killed during the war, 72 percent were British, 18 percent were Canadian, 7 percent were Australian and 3 percent were New Zealanders.[28]

    Taking an example of 100 airmen:

    55 killed on operations or died as a result of wounds
    three injured (in varying levels of severity) on operations or active service
    12 taken prisoner of war (some wounded)
    two shot down and evaded capture
    27 survived a tour of operations[29]
    In total 364,514 operational sorties were flown, 1,030,500 tons of bombs were dropped and 8,325 aircraft lost in action.

    Sure, these stats don’t mention training accidents, however if training accidents were similiar to combat deaths, then I reckon they would deserve a mention. If they were many times greater than combat deaths, then it would be negligent not to mention it.

    Here’s some stats from the US 8th Air Force in WW2:

    From May 1942 to July 1945, the Eighth planned and precisely executed America’s daylight strategic bombing campaign against Nazi-occupied Europe, and in doing so the organization compiled an impressive war record. That record, however, carried a high price. For instance, the Eighth suffered about half of the U.S. Army Air Force’s casualties (47,483 out of 115,332), including more than 26,000 dead. The Eighth’s brave men earned 17 Medals of Honor, 220 Distinguished Service Crosses, and 442,000 Air Medals. The Eighth’s combat record also shows 566 aces (261 fighter pilots with 31 having 15 or more victories and 305 enlisted gunners), over 440,000 bomber sorties to drop 697,000 tons of bombs, and over 5,100 aircraft losses and 11,200 aerial victories.

    So are you saying that only 4,333 (1/6) of the 26,000 killed were killed in action, or that a further 130,000 were killed in training?

  67. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3539726, posted on August 7, 2020 at 10:36 pm

    I do love these dogs…
    Are they strictly for colder climes?

    Don’t go there C.L.
    We once had a rescue dog which was a tiny bit psycho.
    Got a dog trainer in who helped a lot.
    During training we came across a Malamute.
    In passing he said it was a dog to be avoided at all costs.
    Can never be fully trained or domesticated.
    Like allegedly domesticated dingos.
    Not really.
    My third on that podium goes to Rhodesian Ridgebacks.

  68. jupes

    Get a load of lurch.

    The bloke on the right looks like a dwarf.

  69. mh

    If SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) had just been referred to as SARS2, people would be less inclined to compare it to colds and flu, and have a better grasp of what it was.

  70. C.L.

    Good to see the Oilers are still wearing the same clobber as they were in the 1980s.
    I YouTubed the new song – “Gadigal Land” – and it is truly abysmal.

  71. C.L.

    I thought it was a huskie, LL.

  72. JC

    mh

    Funny you mention that as I suggested that very thing on the other thread while you were posting that last comment. No, I think people would be scared shitless of SARS. SARs was a scary illness when it came out in the 00s as the death rate was estimated at 60%. If people didn’t remember that they would have learnt about it from the media. No, it should have been called the Wuhan flu. 🙂 Even better, the wuhan cold.

  73. twostix

    Tucker Carlson in his latest monolog explains how we’re all becoming Chinafied.

    I’ve said since the start, the masks in particular, are the attempted asianisation of our culture. The people making the decisions mandating these things, masks, lockdown, surveillance, and now mass terror in Victoria, as a class (public health bureaucrats and academics) all explained for the last 15 years how they love the Chinese model and loathe western democracy.

    Now they have the power to act upon their dreams.

  74. twostix

    My third on that podium goes to Rhodesian Ridgebacks.

    We were thinking of getting one, a mistake?

  75. Rex Anger

    @ ZK2A-

    Back, from up the Wheatbelt, this morning. If all goes well – no frost, and decent finishing rains- we are looking at a two tonne crop….I know, I know, it’s a marginal area….

    110% lambing, from Merino ewes…Sliante…

    Well played to you!

    Not a bad season, all things considered. 🙂

  76. Leigh Lowe

    Might be my mis-ID of the dog C.L.
    Hard to pick.
    I think it is Siberian Huskie and Alaskan Malamute.
    The Malamute is a bit bigger but they are related.
    The guy definitely was leery about Malamutes but no mention of Huskies.

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I YouTubed the new song – “Gadigal Land” – and it is truly abysmal.

    What makes that effort anything different to anything else these morons have ever done?

    Life in Gadigal Land would have been an Earthly paradise before Europeans arrived.

  78. Old School Conservative

    calli
    #3539237, posted on August 7, 2020 at 5:27 pm
    The TAB ad features the lovely Elle MacPherson, once known as “The Body”.

    Just had a trawl of current internet images of Elle aged 56, and I suggest she is still “The Body”.

  79. JC

    Depends what you’re looking for. smarts or looks. Ridgebacks are great looking dogs, but they’re also supposed to be really stupid. Australian kelpies are supposed to be really smart, but they’re nothing looks wise.

    Think of trade offs, Stix.

  80. JC

    I think it is Siberian Huskie and Alaskan Malamute.

    Just call them what they really are and stop it with the pretentious names. They’re just wolves. Domesticated wolves.

  81. MemoryFault

    they love the Chinese model and loathe western democracy.

    True, they hate western democracy.
    But is what we are experiencing fashioned after the “Chinese model”?
    Looks a helluva lot more like good old Mussolini style Fascism to me.

  82. twostix

    There was a guy wearing a mask in the office today.

    Just one person doing it – him.

    There’s a lot, and I mean a lot , going on behind that mask for a fair portion of the population. For various reasons they like the mask. Wearing it gives them something.

  83. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Midnight Oil – there is a time when you should draw stumps and head to the front bar to drink a few schooners and yarn and laugh about how good you were back then.

    You don’t go back there, it was right for those times but they are long past.

    Peter Garrett is rising 70 for Pete’s sake. They look like your classic Lightning Ridge misfits who are no longer quite with it.

  84. Knuckle Dragger

    Not those bastard Japanese Akitas?

  85. Leigh Lowe

    twostix

    #3539750, posted on August 7, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    My third on that podium goes to Rhodesian Ridgebacks.

    We were thinking of getting one, a mistake?

    Ask a dog expert.
    We had neighbours once who had one.
    All good but one day just went nuts and bailed someone up.
    They blamed the someone, but got a dog behaviour expert in.
    He reckoned that it was only a matter of time before ‘Zulu’ took someone’s throat out.

  86. mh

    No, I think people would be scared shitless of SARS

    I’m not so sure. There was a familiarity with SARS, but it was respected. When you mention SARS, most people have an idea of a infectious respiratory disease, and have an immediate idea that it’s dangerous and which demographics it will the biggest threat to.

  87. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3539761, posted on August 7, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    Not those bastard Japanese Akitas?

    Nah, pretty sure he was onto the Malamutes.
    I think the Akitas are smaller.

  88. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I think the Akitas are smaller.’

    Well, yes. To fit in microwaves.

    Being Japanese dogs, they hate radiation.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3539745, posted on August 7, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    Good to see the Oilers are still wearing the same clobber as they were in the 1980s.
    I YouTubed the new song – “Gadigal Land” – and it is truly abysmal.

    So the same as everything which went before, then?

  90. twostix

    Ridgebacks are great looking dogs, but they’re also supposed to be really stupid.

    People say they’re smart dogs?

    Their breeders seem a bit weird, maybe that’s all breeders though.

  91. MemoryFault

    Just had a trawl of current internet images of Elle aged 56, and I suggest she is still “The Body”.

    Yeah – me too OSC.
    To say she has aged well would be something of an understatement.

  92. Top Ender

    Jupes, check the figures and stories more deeply. Useful research:

    Bradley, James. Flyboys. Boston: Little, Brown and Company. 2003.

    Kuwahara, Yasuo and Gordon T. Allred. Kamikaze: A Japanese Pilot’s Own Spectacular Story of the Infamous Suicide Squadrons. Clearfield, Utah: American Legacy Media, 2007.

    Vernon, James W. The Hostile Sky. Maryland, Naval Institute Press, 2003.

    Hillenbrand, Laura. Unbroken. New York: Random House, 2010.

    Also, don’t forget when a bomber goes in on a guns test, for example, then the whole crew dies. That sort of thing skews the stats.

  93. JC

    mh
    Are you kidding.
    SARS was one scary freaking disease and it was lucky it wasn’t very contagious.

    May 7, 2003 (CIDRAP News) – The World Health Organization (WHO) today estimated the overall fatality rate for SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) patients at 14% to 15%, significantly higher than previous estimates. The agency estimated the rate for people older than 64 years to be more than 50%.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    I guess dog behaviour is a product of dog + owner.
    The combo I tend to think is particularly fraught is millenial chick in activewear with lots of tats + pit bull.
    A dog which requires firm management coupled with an airhead.

  95. K2

    There’s a couple in my old town that have three Malamutes. They take them to the snow and sled them and what not. When they walk them around town, it is only one at a time. Two together and they pull too hard and want to be off and racing.

    They are friendly enough creatures, but by the same token not really house pets.

  96. JC

    People say they’re smart dogs?

    Their breeders seem a bit weird, maybe that’s all breeders though.

    How much are they?

  97. JC

    Pit bulls and the like should be eradicated from the earth. Their owners are mental deficient loons and so are that breed. A terrible mix.

  98. mh

    I think I went to Honkers before the SARS outbreak and went there not too long after SARS, and I don’t think it was something that was thought of as amazingly scary. Just dangerous.

  99. Top Ender

    Jupes, also, if you delve into the research a fair bit, you find a lot of fudging of the figures, and hiding of stats.

    For example:

    – suicides reported otherwise to save feelings, morale etc

    – nav failure reported as a combat loss

    – high spirits reported otherwise

    – mechanical failure reported as combat loss

    Along the same lines is over-reporting of combat kills in war. At one stage in 1940 the entire German Air Force was reported, by numbers, as having been downed in action against the Uk, but strangely they kept coming. Over-reporting of 5:1 or more was common.

    Derek Robertson’s novels are interesting along those lines.

  100. Gab

    Dan Andrews keep called the virus ”evil”, which I find weird because it doesn’t have a mind let alone motivation. (I’m talking about the virus)

  101. mh

    Dan Andrews keep called the virus ”evil”,

    So ridiculous.

  102. JC

    I’ve never understood if it’s just bullshit or for real. They say all dog breeds stem from wolves and humans were responsible for different breeds.

    I’m really suspicious of this though. How the fuck do you end up from here to here

    The pug looks closer to a pig.

  103. JC

    I don’t think it was something that was thought of as amazingly scary. Just dangerous.

    Sure, because the contagion rate was really low. Stick a 2.5 on Ro for SARS and then tell me how scary it would be. 🙂

  104. jupes

    Jupes, check the figures and stories more deeply. Useful research:

    TE, I probably won’t check those references however I’m still not convinced. Help me out if you can, do those blokes supply actual stats or address this question:

    So are you saying that only 4,333 (1/6) of the 26,000 killed were killed in action, or that a further 130,000 were killed in training?

    Because either way, that is a massive anomaly. Just unbelievable.

  105. Gab

    Oh fab.

    China has sealed off a village due to bubonic plague.

  106. JC

    He really is a fabulous concern troll. There’s no embarrassment about it either.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    20m
    After yesterday’s statement, Sleepy Joe Biden is no longer worthy of the Black Vote!

  107. C.L.

    Gab, I notice at your C. Militant link that the Vatican has announced it will re-sign its secret cultural deal with China. That’s the one that gave Beijing a say in appointing bishops – a grotesque betrayal. These are sad times. There is money involved in this, I’m sure of it. Cardinal Pell was slaying these degenerates when he was economics boss in Rome. Then he was mysteriously taken out by an unnamed, anonymous wacko who was slotted into place by the “Belt ‘n Roads” crew in Melbourne.

  108. C.L.

    Apparently, you’re supposed to have at least two huskies because they don’t like being alone. I’m just not sure they’re a smart choice in most Australian climates. The people I know who have two keep them indoors most of the time. They laze around on cold floors.

  109. mh

    Biden referred to Covid-19 as SARS in one of the primaries.
    It was treated as a gaffe.
    Except that is exactly what Covid-19 is. SARS-CoV-2

  110. Knuckle Dragger

    Saw a French Bulldog once. It’s seriously not a dog.

    Should be called the French Bullhamster.

  111. Gab

    Flight UAE 2664 landing at Melb Int’l airport. Maybe it’s just an empty plane. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE2664

  112. Have seen zero people wearing a mask here.

    In the pub tonight Nine out of Ten people were standing whilst drinking.
    The punters have jacked up.
    Had Plod turned up & said anything, there’d have been totally ignored.
    Had Plod pushed their luck – this would require presence of, say, a wymmens or high school police cadets type – they’d have been calmly told to engage in sex & travel.

  113. Gab

    Quite honestly, C.L., I tend not to read anything about this Vatican regime or what the pope says and does.
    The sacrament of Confession is not available in Melbourne for at least six weeks. 🙂

  114. Megan

    Rhodesian Ridgebacks are great dogs if you have a problem with lions in your garden.

    Otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

  115. mh

    This was published in the Lancet back in March.

    SARS-CoV-2 is an appropriate name for the new coronavirus

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30557-2/fulltext

  116. Megan

    Saw a French Bulldog once. It’s seriously not a dog.

    Should be called the French Bullhamster

    The Ugly French Bullhamster. If we are being completely accurate.

  117. JC

    Driller

    No narcissistic pubbling and frankly the NYC fire truck needs to take a trip because the “firies” think it’s bullshit.

  118. Megan

    Friend has 3 Huskies. Destructive bastards. Also shed hair from floor to ceiling.

  119. Gab

    I’m rather partial to Blue Heelers meself.

  120. Megan

    If you’re a big boofy bloke walking a fluffy, little yappy dog, especially if it’s white, then I’m going to judge you. You look ridiculous.

  121. rafiki

    Clive Palmer’s action in the High Court challenging restraints on movement over the WA State border will, if it proceeds, be an opportunity for the Court to further elaborate the scope of the freedom of persons stated in section 92 of the Constitution to “pass to and from among the states without burden, hindrance or restriction” (per Starke J in Gratwick v Johnson (1945)). The clarity of this stement has however been muddied by Cole v Whitfield (1988), wherein the High Court said that this does not mean that “every form of intercourse must be left without any restriction or regulation in order to satisfy the guarantee of freedom”. Where the challenged law in its terms applies to movement across a border and imposes a burden or restriction is more likely to be invalid (Cunliffe v The Commonwealth (1994), per Mason CJ).

    It is then no wonder that Premier McGowan and now PM Morrison are calling on Palmer to withdraw. His chances of success look good. The Palmer litigation is a very significant civil liberties case. The pressure applied by McGowan and Morrison is improper and a misuse of State power. There is good reason to think they have committed the criminal offence of contempt of court. A contempt may be committed where a person pressures a litigant (here Palmer) ti induce him to withdraw from the action. On a prosecution, it is not necessary to prove that the defendant intended to induce withdrawal.. Nor need the inducement be successful. The litigant may initiate the prosecution. So too may a relevant Attorney-General (which in this case however seems unlikely). (This is not meant to be a full statement of relevant aspects of the law.)

  122. There is good reason to think they have committed the criminal offence of contempt of court.

    It’d make my day for Scomo & MacGowan to be charged.

  123. Pedro the Loafer

    Those little fluffy white dogs should be called “caravan dogs”.

    Every grey nomad in Australia has at least one.

  124. JC

    Gab
    #3539802, posted on August 7, 2020 at 11:45 pm

    I’m rather partial to Blue Heelers meself.

    Gab, I would have thought you’d like the Hungarian Vizsla . Great looking dog. Possible the best looker around.

  125. Megan

    We’re surrounded by rehomed greyhounds belonging to family members and friends. They don’t shed much, need about 15 minutes exercise per day and sleep about 20 hours out of 24.

    Seems like a brilliant canine companion. And a lot cheaper than the $6K+ that you’ll pay for a designer mongrel.

  126. C.L.

    I’m rather partial to Blue Heelers meself.

    Do they eat possums, do they?

  127. Gab

    I think they’d prefer to herd them up, CL.

    Jc-nah, never liked the look of them.

  128. Megan

    I hadn’t thought of possum control via a greyhound. Might work.

  129. Gab

    In any case, the possums around here are big enough to eat Blue Heelers.

  130. Leigh Lowe

    Just call them what they really are and stop it with the pretentious names. They’re just wolves. Domesticated wolves.

    Barely domesticated.
    Roll the dice.

  131. MatrixTransform

    I had a Malamute once.
    And that does look like a Mal … the huskies are skinnier and the ears are more on top of the head

    I also have no feeling in the index finger on my right hand from the severed nerves after 10 stitches.
    made the mistake of trying to take a wooden block off the young dog.

    It found out who was actually boss almost immediately after.
    too late for my finger

    The dog got stolen shortly after
    #PrestonLyfe

  132. Megan

    Friend in the States had a rescued heeler cross. Most insane animal I’ve ever encountered. Knew and tolerated me well, until I moved slightly too quickly for his liking one afternoon and he took a chunk out of my arm. Completely mental but no one breaking into the house would ever get out alive. He was a charmer that could slip into murderous brute in seconds.

  133. Leigh Lowe

    The sacrament of Confession is not available in Melbourne for at least six weeks. 

    I haven’t needed it since 1968 when I caught my fingers in the bike chain and took the name of The Lord in vain.
    Clean record since.
    But for recidivists things could be starting to rack up.
    Maybe get a good exercise book Gab, so you don’t forget any transgressions.

  134. MatrixTransform

    Love heelers
    we had one for 16 years
    she was awesome as long as you were on her team

    gawd help anybody that wasn’t

  135. Leigh Lowe

    Some dogs are bred for a purpose.
    Hunting.
    Pointing.
    Herding.
    Finding.
    Fetching.
    If you can’t at least simulate what they are bred for several hours a day, don’t get it.

  136. Zyconoclast

    Steve trickler
    #3539690, posted on August 7, 2020 at 9:58 pm
    My first time listening to the original. The paintings from Konstantin Razumov are a bonus.

    Stunning.

    The paintings are beautiful. Thank you.
    I had to mute the sound…

  137. C.L.

    Trump just said this in a speech in Ohio – which is kind of odd:

    So I have a lot of enemies out there. This may be the last time you’ll see me for a while. A lot of very, very rich enemies, but they are not happy with what I’m doing. But I figure we have one chance to do it, and no other President is going to do what I do. No other President would do a favored nations, a rebate, a buy from other nations at much less cost. Nobody. And there are a lot of unhappy people, and they’re very rich people, and they’re very unhappy.

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1291579175992807425

  138. Steve trickler

    Here you go. A classic example of propaganda from CCP trolls posting on elgooG. Select imagery of rescue efforts combined with background sound samples for dramatic effect.

    Yet, they flood cities without warning.

  139. Steve trickler

    Bigger than Ben-Hur.



  140. Makka

    All good but one day just went nuts and bailed someone up.

    Mate had 2 ridgebacks, From pups. Once they matured they went potty, male worse than the female. I knew them too and one bailed me up out of the blue. Fkg terrifying. I’ll never own a ridgeback.

    I know people that owned malamutes and they said they were potty. Crazy protective and not good for a suburban domestic setting at all. They are a work dog.

    I’ve had a couple of shepherds. Both were pedigree and just awesome. True companions, super intelligent and became real integral parts of the family. Both were obedience trained . I’m told they have the intelligence of an 8yo human. It’s true.

  141. Mitch M.

    JC
    #3539783, posted on August 7, 2020 at 11:22 pm
    I’ve never understood if it’s just bullshit or for real. They say all dog breeds stem from wolves and humans were responsible for different breeds.

    I’m really suspicious of this though. How the fuck do you end up from here to here

    The pug looks closer to a pig.

    JC that can happen surprisingly quickly.

    https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-018-0090-x

    Starting from what amounted to a population of wild foxes, within six generations (6 years in these foxes, as they reproduce annually), selection for tameness, and tameness alone, produced a subset of foxes that licked the hand of experimenters, could be picked up and petted, whined when humans departed, and wagged their tails when humans approached. An astonishingly fast transformation. Early on, the tamest of the foxes made up a small proportion of the foxes in the experiment: today they make up the vast majority.

    Another weird aspect of domestication is smaller brains. Perhaps that explains why human brain size has been shrinking for 10,000 years.

  142. NoFixedAddress

    C.L.
    #3539824, posted on August 8, 2020 at 12:14 am

    Trump just said this in a speech in Ohio – which is kind of odd:

    C.L.

    look further

    President Trump Makes Cryptic Remark at Ohio Speech: “I Have a Lot of Enemies…This May Be the Last Time You’ll See Me for a While”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/president-trump-makes-cryptic-remark-ohio-speech-lot-enemies-may-last-time-see/

  143. HP

    I don’t know to what extent this is news but I will just drop this here.

    I figured the lessons learned in The Netherlands regarding COVID can help us here as well. As so many have died there, at the very least we should learn from the mistakes that led to that. And prevent the same mistakes from being made here. COVID = COVID. Here or there.

    In the news in the Netherlands, I am reading that circulation-type ventilation has very likely played a role in the spread of COVID in aged care facilities. To both patients as well as staff. This may be relevant to our situation in Victoria as well with the aged care facilities.

    The reason for this claim – this is the interesting part:
    The Dutch CMO-counterparts have stated that they now have enough evidence to conclude aerosols (very small particles) play a significant role in the spread of COVID. So it is not only small droplets (which are larger). This coming from the Dutch CMO is significant because they have always followed the WHO-line and argued that it was spread by droplets only. So they are admitting they were wrong in stating this.

    The reason the aerosol-thing is relevant:
    Droplets travel no more than 1.5 meters. The dictate that came down from WHO was: only droplets spread COVID. That dictate is why we have the social distancing 1.5 meters rules.

    The aerosols, however, are smaller than droplets and can travel further than 1.5 meters, so distancing alone is not effective (enough). So now in The Netherlands, the new recommendation is to wear a mask, also when keeping to 1.5 meters distancing.

    Moreover, aerosols can spread through a building indoors, especially if there is poor ventilation or circulation-type ventilation. In the case of circulation ventilation, good filters are crucially important. The virus itself is approximately ~0.3 microns. So to check whether a filter would stop COVID is to check the 0.1-10 micron range.

    In The Netherlands ventilation is now seen as so important in stopping COVID, they are now contemplating a massive overhaul in the ventilation systems across schools, hospitals, aged care facilities, etc..

  144. gafa

    Do they eat possums, do they?

    One thing I’ll say for New Zealand, they at least have a decent possum control program. Possums are rightly classified as destructive vermin over there and they have a strict predator free program.

    In Oz the little [email protected] are a protected species and even if you catch one you have to gently relocate it not more than 50m away and on the same property where you trapped it, w.t.h.. Big fines if you hurt it. Ridiculous, the noisy, filthy, germ riddled destructive critters belong in the bush, if anywhere, not suburban roofs.

  145. gafa

    In any case, the possums around here are big enough to eat Blue Heelers.

    In that case if you want dog control, you need a Jack Russell or two, seriously.

  146. gafa

    Mask loving Japan apparently suffers coronavirus spike.

    https://bit.ly/33Dx49G

  147. MemoryFault

    Thanks Tom.
    Ben Garrison for me today.

  148. MemoryFault

    5.00 am. Time to do some work.
    See all you sleepy heads later.

  149. calli

    On dergs. I had a ridgeback/doberman/rottie cross at one time. She was a beautiful dog and very protective of the children.

    Playful too. She would stand on her back legs and place her front paws on the Beloved’s shoulders and shower him with doggie “kisses”. And if he wasn’t ready for the onslaught, would knock him off his feet. She was taught her work by the older dog – fence patrol at night, child “minding“ by day.

    Sadly, Australian quarantine laws meant that we had to leave her behind with another expat family.

  150. notafan

    Yes Dirk

    That rumour circulating on sovereign citizens type forums , along with stories around dan Andrews out at the airport two nights ago shaking the hands of Chinese invaders.

    Who then rolled down Tullamarine freeway and took over the country in an invisible coup.

    If they are getting $25,000 a head for dead patients what are the implications?

    Murder?

    Falsification of death certificate?

    Knox private hospital has been transformed into a covid19 hospice.

    St Basils patients transferred there. Probably others.

    What role is Knox private playing in this $25,000 conspiracy.

    And most importantly what role has Abbott played in all of this?

  151. Do they eat possums, do they?

    My current Heeler does.
    Her current score is three.
    She also catches birds in flight – ninja like.
    She will let strangers in, but then bail them up and not let them out.
    I’ve owned four Heelers.
    Amazing dogs….

  152. Cold-Hands

    Just seen a rumour (very much unconfirmed but it would be consistent with what’s happened in the US) that nursing homes are being paid 25k for each covid death.

    Apparently someone phoned a radio station with this story. Not his family but a “friend’s” father who died from cancer but whose Death Certificate said COVID was the main cause of death.

  153. Struth

    They may be taken in by propaganda, Notaclue, but you certainly have no right to be sarcastic about that sort of thing, do you little miss gullible?

  154. notafan

    That rumour seems to come from a Facebook page called ‘millions rise for Australia’ ( share the hell out of this).

    The family of the decreased allegedly offered $9000 by the nursing home for a false death certificate so the nursing home could pocket $25,000 to $30,000.

    Dead person; some old Greek guy who really died of cancer.

  155. notafan

    Go away you disgusting Cow herder

  156. Struth

    Oh OK, if you insist, Notafan.

    GOOD MOANING

    With all the focus on Dan at the moment I fear we are playing right into the Fed’s hands.
    None of us are free.
    After five long months certain insanities are now embedded. Even Stockholm Syndrome in many.
    Like the little clones of China waving red flags.
    Sure cracks are appearing because of Chairman Dan’s Belt and road Enthusiasm for tyranny, but the rest of the nation is still being shafted and shafted hard.

    Scott Morrison’s federal government is a disgrace and fueling the fires from the side lines.
    Funding the monstrous tyranny of Comrade Dan, that has the world gasping in shock.
    Throwing money around only people who have no doubt that under the new normal, communist control, they will never have to be held accountable for it, and never lose a cent of their own money.
    The global socialist elite.

    We must look, as a nation, to what is really going on.
    And it is very interesting to note that the one thing being fought is Clive Palmer’s court case regarding the closure of the WA border.
    A constitutional case.
    It is quite interesting to note that both the State Labor government and the Federal liberal government are trying to force Palmer to drop the case, which could in itself be considered contempt of court.

    Surely our beloved, honest, caring, “we’re all in this together” federal and state pollies would be enthusiastic toward ensuring the letter of the Law is upheld.

    Or does “we’re all in this together” mean something completely different?

    When all is said and done, none of us are free until the politicians we employ are all made to do things legally, under the rule of law, as is supposed to be the case.

    Anyone who thinks for a second that because you are in QLD, SA, or the anywhere that you can’t get the punishment being metered out to Melbournians at the moment, remember you are not free either.
    Besides still having many restrictions still in place in your state, you very well know that you are now being ruled by decree, and that on some whim of some corrupt politician, at any time, you can be the next Footscray or Carlton.
    That of course destroys all business investment, but there is something much more important than that.
    Your personal freedom.
    This is a criminal affront to your right to exist as a free human being.
    That is not to be tolerated.

    The federal government have unconstitutionally given away it’s sole responsibility to make law as the constitution requires regarding quarantine, to tyrannical little nobodies.
    And ALL our problems stem from that.
    Remember a state may have powers for medical emergencies but they are not the acts of quarantine.
    A medical emergency may be setting up medical operations after natural disasters etc.
    Quarantining is the specific act of restricting movement for prevention of disease spread, and in taking away those freedoms, it must be done under quarantine law.
    A medical emergency does not imprison you in your homes.
    Quarantining does, although I would still argue that quarantining has no right to infringe upon the healthy with no proven contact with the sick, but leave that aside for now.
    That is why they don’t want anyone looking at the constitution, taking them to court over it, and are refusing to reply to the many letters that I know for a fact have reached the AG of Australia, and many other fed and state MP’s, detailing quite clearly where they have taken unlawful actions.

    It’s a time game they are playing, and everyday, China’s control of our very minds, hearts and entire nation grows.
    The Federal pollies will just ignore us until we’re cooked to a crisp, but a rich bloke like Palmer doing this will be sticking in their craw.
    I would not be surprised if he gets rubbed out, as there is just too much at stake.

  157. Mater

    She will let strangers in, but then bail them up and not let them out.

    Bob even has a socialist dog.

    (HT: Bespoke)

  158. Peter Garrett is rising 70 for Pete’s sake. They look like your classic Lightning Ridge misfits who are no longer quite with it.

    Harsh. Does he have any recent cameo roles in Brewarrina Fights?

  159. Carpe Jugulum

    Struth
    #3539887, posted on August 8, 2020 at 7:05 am

    good stuff

    Well written by Mr Penman.

  160. Hmm

    Midnight Oil are SIMPing for Aborigines.

    *I have an incredibly deep respect for Aborigines*

    **M’lady, you are a Queen, for I am a supreme gentleman**

    “I’m not gay, I am a deeply, deeply closed homosexual”

  161. 132andBush

    Notafan,

    The other day you admitted to believing the “it’s never going to rain again” spiel from the likes of Flannery et al.

  162. calli

    From Jim Penman:

    Mr Premier, I am no radical. I downloaded the COVIDSafe app and urged others to do the same. I support the curfew, the wearing of masks, the use of sanitiser, the keeping of personal dis- tance, the closing of restaurants, the limits on personal gatherings, compulsory testing for the virus, and compulsory vaccination when it comes.

    This is exactly what Mater and I were discussing yesterday.

    No one feels it hard enough. Most of the population is experiencing playground soft fall, not the hard landing. Even Penman is having a bet each way, being a “good little German” and toeing the “all in this together” line.

    Until it impacts his business heavily.

    I liked Mater’s analogy – Classical to Punk in three seconds.

  163. Eyrie

    http://www.parabolicarc.com/2020/08/06/nasa-to-reexamine-nicknames-for-cosmic-objects/#more-74968

    Political correctness strikes again. Amongst other things “the Siamese twin nebula” nickname will no longer be used. Stick a fork in NASA. It’s done.

  164. Twostix

    The covid 19 vaccine will be made from an aborted baby.

    In four of the vaccines, the human fetal cells are used as miniature “factories” to generate vast quantities of adenoviruses, disabled so that they cannot replicate, that are used as vehicles to ferry genes from the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19. When the adenoviruses are given as a vaccine, recipients’ cells begin to produce proteins from the coronavirus, hopefully triggering a protective immune response.

    Enjoy your mandatory dead baby cell injection!

  165. Eyrie

    jupes, I too don’t quite believe TE’s casualty figures for aircrew. I found a reference to aircrew training casualties in the US during WW2 (Smithsonian Air and Space magazine a couple or so years ago) and they had a little over 15000 dead during the war. Even if you have operational training outside the US and other causes I can’t see 6:1.

  166. will

    Your can always trust the ABC to come up with the approved narrative, usually lying by omission.

    India’s biggest slum has so far nailed coronavirus COVID-19. Here’s how they did it.

    Except the ABC article seems to be missing something. A drug that was used to achieve this.

  167. Twostix

    Mr Premier, I am no radical. I downloaded the COVIDSafe app and urged others to do the same. I support the curfew, the wearing of masks, the use of sanitiser, the keeping of personal dis- tance, the closing of restaurants, the limits on personal gatherings, compulsory testing for the virus, and compulsory vaccination when it comes.

    Lol what a complete degenerate cuck.

  168. Maj

    The covid 19 vaccine will be made from an aborted baby.

    In four of the vaccines, the human fetal cells are used as miniature “factories” to generate vast quantities of adenoviruses, disabled so that they cannot replicate, that are used as vehicles to ferry genes from the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19. When the adenoviruses are given as a vaccine, recipients’ cells begin to produce proteins from the coronavirus, hopefully triggering a protective immune response.

    Enjoy your mandatory dead baby cell injection!

    If anyone had any doubt this COVID farce was really a new front in the Culture Wars, you have been set straight.

    Anyone who gets Bill Gates’ vaccine is complicit in baby murder. This will implicate millions of innocent people.

    Wake up people, COVID is a recruiting tool for Planned Parenthood.

  169. feelthebern

    More Ellen stories overnight.
    “She called me fat”.
    Breaking news, Hollywood person was a prick.
    FFS, if Johnny Carson was still alive, he’d probably be in jail for some of the shit he did back stage.

  170. Twostix

    I leaned today that our modern society grinds up dead babies to make vaccines to inject into its veins.

    And it’s not even 8am.

  171. feelthebern

    twostix, you should google endochrome.

  172. feelthebern

    While you’re there, check out this new thing the young people are doing.
    WWG1WGA.
    Those kids !

  173. Maj

    While you’re there, check out this new thing the young people are doing.
    WWG1WGA.
    Those kids !

    Not just the kids, Bern.

    Most of the folks joining the movement are older than me.

  174. Fetal cells can be obtained from elsewhere, no? Or at least there are other cell lines?

    “Thankfully, other [COVID-19] vaccines … utilize cell lines not connected to unethical procedures and methods.”

    The solution is to be informed and ask for ethically produced medicine.

  175. feelthebern

    Whispers…Maj, I was joking about the kids aspect of it.

  176. will

    India’s biggest slum has so far nailed coronavirus COVID-19. Here’s how they actually did it.

  177. duncanm

    The power of the internet – learn by posting the wrong answer, not by asking the question.

  178. Adenochrome.

    Why on earth would you want to take that?

    It induces schizophrenia.

  179. Twostix

    If you’re a christian, when it comes time to stand before god and declare yourself…how will you explain accepting a vaccine made from the body of a aborted baby’s body being injected into your body because you didn’t want to risk catching a bad cold?

    And the best bit is now that you consciously know about it, you can’t ever have it!

  180. calli

    Yes. Degeneres is in the cross-hairs.

    The morning TV interview with a disgruntled harpy this week convinced me – a verbose confection of accusations, of what amounted to “meanness”, by a mediocrity. Even Koch and Barr couldn’t fit a word in edgewise. That Journo-Karen could complain through wet cement. Embarrassing.

  181. feelthebern

    LOL.
    Dot’s all other it.
    He gets it !

  182. Maj

    If you’re a christian, when it comes time to stand before god and declare yourself…how will you explain accepting a vaccine made from the body of a aborted baby’s body being injected into your body because you didn’t want to risk catching a bad cold?

    Where are our church leaders on this?

    Why are they, except for a few like John MacArthur, totally complicit with Caesar on everything to do with the Wuhan Flu?

  183. I might have had vaccines which used fetal cell lines, but from now on I will ask.

    I was also under the impression that umbilical cord blood could be used to acquire “fetal” cells.

  184. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Mr Premier, I am no radical. I downloaded the COVIDSafe app’

    That plonker could have stopped right there and saved everyone some time. Or, he could have just said:

    ‘Mr Premier, I am no radical. I sold my soul for one of Homer Simpson’s Tiger Rocks’

    and it would have had the same meaning.

  185. Twostix

    The solution is to be informed and ask for ethically produced medicine.

    Lol ok dot.

    I’m afraid you’re not going to have a choice what you get dot, old man. When it’s mandatory.

  186. calli

    Cells derived from elective abortions have been used since the 1960s to manufacture vaccines, including current vaccines against rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis A, and shingles. They have also been used to make approved drugs against diseases including hemophilia, rheumatoid arthritis, and cystic fibrosis. Now, research groups around the world are working to develop more than 130 candidate vaccines against COVID-19, according to the World Health Organization; 10 had entered human trials as of 2 June.

    Looks like we’ve already had them ‘Stix.

  187. feelthebern

    KD, how much for one of these Tiger Rocks you’re selling?
    I don’t see any Tigers, so they must work.

  188. feelthebern

    PS, we have to keep those Tigers away, lest they grapple with ones todger.

  189. Twostix

    The fetal cell lines are key to producing both types of vaccine. “HEK-293 [cells] are essential for making protein subunit vaccines,” says Andrea Gambotto, a vaccine scientist at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine and the vaccine’s lead developer. Their human origin is important, he says

    Must be made from humans sayeth the bugman.

  190. Maj

    The solution is to be informed and ask for ethically produced medicine.

    Lol ok dot.

    I’m afraid you’re not going to have a choice what you get dot, old man. When it’s mandatory.

    But they will say it’s not mandatory.

    And it won’t be. But if you don’t take it you won’t be able to:

    1) Go to work.

    2) Send your kids to school.

    3) Travel interstate.

    4) And maybe even go into a supermarket.

  191. Eyrie

    Re the virus:

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/08/07/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

    Kendrick is worth paying attention to on this and other topics. He’s a cynical, scientific, Scottish GP in the UK.

  192. Snoopy

    Lazy sod Paul Joseph Watson has a new YouTube video up.

  193. Twostix

    Looks like we’ve already had them ‘Stix.

    I’ve never had a chickenpox or rubella vaccine, have you?

    But perhaps those that did didn’t know.

    But now they do. Now any further act is concious and wilful!

  194. Shy Ted

    Just seen a rumour (very much unconfirmed but it would be consistent with what’s happened in the US) that nursing homes are being paid 25k for each covid death.
    You’re right and it’s all over the net.
    And in “I bet you didn’t know this” news, when you see your GP or specialist or whoever and they casually ask if you’re a smoker and suggest you quit, they get paid for that “intervention”.
    Sorry to ruin your day with little example of wealth transfer.

  195. calli

    I’ve had the Sabin rubella one, ‘Stix.

    All my children had the full lot, as have the grandchildren.

  196. Snoopy

    Joe Hildebrand:

    Contrast this to the weary figure of Dan Andrews who submits himself daily to an exhaustive interrogation of his government’s catalogue of woe.

    Joe believes Dickhead Dan is the best man for the job.

  197. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cells derived from elective abortions have been used since the 1960s to manufacture vaccines, including current vaccines against rubella

    Yeah, I’ve mentioned that previously.

    Why would you manufacture something like MMR vaccine in such a way that millions of people would find it morally questionable? It’s plausible that they would use the immortal cell lines for a coronavirus vaccine since they have them set up and know how to work with them.

    The real answer would’ve been to generate an ethical cell line, eg as Dot suggests with cord blood. But that would be an expensive development. So they risk the use of the vaccine unnecessarily for the sake of convenience, or something like it.

    I’m amused by this story in the Paywallian today:

    ‘Anti-vaxxers have infected the Greens’

    Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young has warned against anti-vaxxer sentiment within her party.

    That’s another reason for not pissing off Christians. If you already have bonkers Greens offside for some reason or other why go out of your way to get Christians off side too?

  198. calli

    Sorry, Sabin was for polio of course. The rubella one was separate. Like the triple antigen.

  199. I’ve never had a chickenpox or rubella vaccine, have you?

    But perhaps those that did didn’t know.

    But now they do. Now any further act is concious and wilful!

    Are you saying these vaccines are only available as being derived from aborted fetus cell lines?

  200. Maj

    All my children had the full lot, as have the grandchildren.

    When you stand before God, He won’t hold whatever vaccines you were given as a kid against you.

    What you do with your free will as an adult is another matter.

  201. calli

    why go out of your way to get Christians off side too?

    Marginalisation and punishment.

  202. Knuckle Dragger

    Step 1: Collect 288 unskilled, botox-ridden AFL trophy WAGs.
    Step 2: Bundle together, along with 170 of their various spawn.
    Step 3: Put them all in the one spot (the Mercure Gold Coast Resort) and prevent them leaving.

    Leave in the sun for ten minutes.

    Result: Every episode of The Voice, Big Brother, MAFS and The Gold-Digger Wants A Farm* and Real Housewives of Somewhere combined.

    The one-upmanship is apparently something to behold. ‘Brooke Cotchin had a wall knocked out so she could have “me time”. Why can’t you do that for me? If you REALLY loved me you’d have them fly our furbaby (puppy, freakin’ obviously) up here so Xandia could play with her while I mummy blog.’

    ‘They let Nathan Buckley play tennis. I wanna go to Dreamworld and have day spas and see dolphins and be a supermum and be virtuous and interview for a job as a TV weathergirl.’ Some of them are said to take an hour’s prep work to spend 45 minutes by the pool if there are going to be other WAGs there.

    Collingwood have the most, Richmond have the worst, Hawthorn have the least and Geelong have the best-behaved, evidently.

    Embarrassing for the blokes. If they had any pride, of course, they’d tell their airheaded unwarranted-attention-grabbing-screechers to fuck off back to Melbourne and that they’d see them on Brownlow Medal night, if at all.

    *H/t someone here the other day. Can’t remember who, so apologies.

  203. Knuckle Dragger

    That’s from a Hun piece I can’t link to for some reason.

  204. dover_beach

    There are alternatives but twostix is right about the use of fetal cell lines in the development of vaccines.

  205. Cardimona

    Firstborn’s colum

    Grandpa’s gift of hope
    Vikki Campion

    OFTEN my baby son Tom helps his grandfather Jim light the fire, offering twigs and other scavenged bits, disappointed when a toy sheep doesn’t make it in the flames.

    Despite their 95-year-age difference, the two are “sparring partners” (country for best mates). I hope they will have very different lives. Jim lived through the Great Depression in New Zealand. He vividly remembers kids from school, barefoot in frost, eating crusts from a bin. He remembers his father, a soldier, being sent to Wellington as food rioters smashed shop fronts. He remembers his mother inviting in hungry children and feeding them from her own table.

    He remembers top government bureaucrats going to work dressed in suit and tie to cover the humiliation of how they were now shovelling dirt.

    There are few 96-year-olds with recollections as sharp as Jim’s. We should listen to them. If we don’t change how we do business now, Tom’s generation may grow old to bitterly recall similar memories.

    The economic shock of COVID-19 has not put us in depression yet. But things aren’t getting better, and nobody is talking about the dramatic action we need. The only way we can recover from lockdowns, draconian curfews and strangling hospitality, manufacturing and retail is by slashing red tape to encourage entrepreneurs to make — and then spend — their own money.

    The Institute of Public Affairs estimates the burden of government regulation at $176 billion every year.

    With Victoria’s lockdown alone costing us $100 million a day, we can no longer afford naive belief in the benevolence of red tape. Emblematic of over-regulation is the move to ban vaping. The only way you can inhale nicotine legally is the way it’s certain to kill you — and it’s available at every Caltex and Coles. Smoking kills far more people than coronavirus but people who want to quit can only quit the way bureaucrats want them to.

    Former Senator David Leyonhjelm’s excellent Red Tape Committee found monumental barriers to big projects, such as the EPBC Act, where green groups don’t have to prove skin in the game to go to court and get a project held up.

    Tony Abbott dedicated two sitting days a year to repealing red tape – what happened to that?

    The attitude of people who lived through the Great Depression is one of resilience and entrepreneurship. The economy we have created is mired in a bog of bureaucracy. There are 32 major mining projects in NSW stuck in the planning pipeline, stalling millions in royalties and 15,000 jobs. Even the CFMEU and AWU want us to get moving.

    With no tourists, no immigrants, limited access to markets and no international students, our only destination is a gargantuan debt that my baby son will struggle to pay off.

    It’s not just miners and farmers who will save us, it’s the entrepreneurial video game developers. Export-focused game developers bring home bigger tax receipts than any other creatives, but they are excluded from funding and tax offsets that we offer to similar sectors like movies, video effects and tech – some of them 100 per cent foreign-owned.

    Virtual reality is one of the fastest growing industries in the world; even nursing homes like Hammondcare use VR to help relieve chronic pain in dementia sufferers. We need more Australian Atlassians to take the place of US Googles; more Australian jobs paying Australian tax.

    Josh Frydenberg says he loves the example of Margaret Thatcher — but she knew the best way to reduce regulation is to reduce the size of government. If we don’t change the culture now, by the time the election comes we will be eating a bad-smelling sandwich that the Coalition and Labor states buttered for the electorate.

    If their best predictions are right, Tom will be a middle-aged man by the time we have paid off the debt. Don’t worry about resilience, they’ll have to have that — but you must untie their hands if they’re to inherit the spirit of entrepreneurialism created by Jim’s generation.

  206. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I don’t see any Tigers, so they must work.’

    Impeccable logic. $5,000 will do. In cash, before the You-Know-What Bill does the thing that it’s going to do.

  207. Maj

    Food for thought…

    Bokhari: Why Is the Trump WH Gifting TikTok to the Big Tech Masters of the Universe?

    Breitbart News wants to believe that officials in the White House are serious about tackling tech censorship, but the outrageous proposal that Microsoft be allowed to purchase TikTok from China without offering concrete free speech suggests otherwise.

    Some background: TikTok is one of the fastest-growing social platforms in the world. It is enormously popular among young people, and is growing at a speed that makes it a rival of Instagram, Snapchat, and other established platforms.

    Unfortunately, it is owned by a Chinese company and subject to Chinese laws — meaning American user data is at the mercy of the Chinese Communist party, and American users get censored to please the same party. Because of this, the Trump administration has threatened to ban TikTok in the U.S.

    Good.

    Given the power that tech platforms have over public discourse, the flow of information, and their invasive data collection practices, the administration should feel confident in taking heavy-handed measures to protect the Americans who use them. I hope they find the courage to be similarly heavy-handed against Google and other big tech companies, particularly on the issues of censorship and election interference.

    Sadly, the administration’s new “solution” to the TikTok problem suggests they will not be.

    That solution is to have TikTok’s U.S. operations be purchased by Microsoft — another far-left tech company that is sure to hoover up user data and censor its users.

    Remember when Microsoft threatened to boot Gab off its cloud servers for allowing constitutionally protected speech on its platform? More pertinent to the present debate, remember when Microsoft censored its own services to please China? Is Microsoft control of TikTok really an improvement on Chinese control? I have doubts!

    If Microsoft really wants to buy TikTok, and it seems that it does — the company’s CEO personally phoned President Trump to persuade him to let the sale talks continue — that presents a historic opportunity for the administration to demand concessions.

    Put simply, if Microsoft really wants Trump to allow the sale, that allows Trump to make some demands of Microsoft.

    That’s how negotiation works. Trump, as a master dealmaker, should know this.

    First and foremost should be a legally binding commitment (not a promise or a handshake) that Microsoft will not censor First Amendment protected speech on behalf of its American users.

    That doesn’t mean Microsoft can’t give its users opt-in filters, or offer a family-friendly version of TikTok, much in the same way that Google offers users an optional “safe search” button to block obscene content. But the crucial difference between this and blanket bans on so-called “hate speech” is that it is the user who decides whether to opt-in to the filter.

    Forcing Microsoft to do this would create a social media behemoth that is legally obliged to protect free speech. It will certainly be a smash-hit success, forcing other social media platforms to reconsider their censorship policies.

    The fact that the Trump administration hasn’t made this one of the conditions of Microsoft’s talks with TikTok suggests that the administration either doesn’t take tech censorship seriously, or doesn’t understand it.

    Given that censorship and election interference from Big Tech companies is perhaps the number-one threat to Trump’s re-election chances, that should be very worrisome to Trump supporters.

    Most likely, this is a result of the debate being dominated by “National Security” Republicans and China hawks. They’ve never considered free speech to be a big priority. Just look at Marco Rubio — he previously said he thinks policing of “hate speech” on social media is a good thing.

    Rubio is one of the people who led the push against TikTok, in part by highlighting the platform’s censorship of content on behalf of the Chinese.

    He’s never been anywhere close to as vocal about Silicon Valley’s homegrown censorship, which has far more of an impact on ordinary Americans, especially conservative Americans whose put Rubio and other Republicans in office. One could be forgiven for thinking that Rubio cares more about censorship in China than censorship in America.

    And what about Trump’s top advisers? According to insiders, senior White House advisers including economic adviser Larry Kudlow, attorney General William Barr, and Kellyanne Conway, all pushed President Trump to let Microsoft proceed with the deal after he initially floated a full-scale ban on the platform.

    Why did none of these advisers advise Trump to demand a commitment from Microsoft (again, a binding commitment, not a handshake agreement) not to censor Americans? If they did so, why has such a commitment not materialized?

    If the administration wants to persuade voters that it is serious about protecting the free speech rights of Americans in the digital public square, why is it failing to act on such an obvious and important opportunity?

    Are you an insider at Google, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, or any other tech company who wants to confidentially reveal wrongdoing or political bias at your company? Reach out to Allum Bokhari at his secure email address [email protected].

    Allum Bokhari is the senior technology correspondent at Breitbart News. His book #DELETED: Big Tech’s Battle to Erase the Trump Movement and Steal The Election is out in September.

  208. Struth

    Even Penman is having a bet each way, being a “good little German” and toeing the “all in this together” line.

    Until it impacts his business heavily.

    Exactly Calli.
    Now I go back and read the whole thing, what a suck.
    Exactly as you say.
    “I agree with all the tyranny on others but I should be exempt”.
    Pathetic.
    Sky suffers from this as well, hence they can never get to a logical conclusion.

  209. 2dogs

    Microsoft — another far-left tech company

    I would describe Microsoft as left, but not as far-left.

    There has been a lot of woke censorship on social media, but I haven’t heard complaints on this regarding LinkedIn.

    Gates himself is fairly moderate and supports nuclear.

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