Tuesday Forum: August 4, 2020

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  1. Infidel Tiger King

    Bern and I are in a nice part of Sydney…there are still nice spots left in Sydney

    Bern is worth 9 figures. He should have a nice pile.

  2. JC

    You know why the US owes 25 trillion dollars. Let me tell you.

    I/we get social security. My wife does too although she never worked a day in her life there, but because she’s married to me she gets the vig because she’s a woman. Even Warren Buffet gets SS seeing it’s not means tested. Look, I won’t go into the details as to why I deserve it, other than I paid into the system for 15 odd years.

    Anyways, that isn’t the issue. I just checked my US account and we received $1,200 each as part of the stimulus program. We’re freaking foreigners! We don’t live there and there’s no reason we should get it. That place is going to go broke paying out money like that.

  3. Bruce in WA

    Bruce in WA, wasn’t John Burgess on 6PR.

    Believe so. Think Yorkie is still around as a marriage celebrant. Or hang on, was it 6PM??

    BTW, do a search on who he was (briefly) married to and … zilch.

  4. Boambee John

    Top Ender

    Australian general William Slim, one of the best fighting leaders of the war, expected the Allies to face tenacious defenders.

    Slim was a British officer of the Indian Army.

  5. JC

    JC, I thought you and Monty caught up for a lunchtime steak. I realise now it was an evening meal.

    True, but you make it sound like a frequent event. Calling a steak “a rump” sounds like a casual, regular affliction.

  6. feelthebern

    Sometimes Cassie.
    Malice is an interesting dude.
    For a Ukrainian Joo who grew up in Brooklyn, he has none of those accents.

  7. JC

    For a Ukrainian Joo who grew up in Brooklyn, he has none of those accents.

    He’s disguising it. You don’t walk out of Crooklyn not sounding like a Crooklyite.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    Oops.
    Snap ITK.
    God, Brighton is full of those atrocious boundary-to-boundary faux chateaux.
    Due to height restrictions they are disproportionate in their own right but worse, they are a take on something which sits in a country estate in France, wedged onto a 1,000 metre suburban block.
    And classic Victorian, Edwardian and 1920’s residences are being bulldozed for this shit.

  9. Top Ender

    Yes, thanks BJ – that was a mistake that should have been picked up.

    T

  10. mh

    The lunch rump special is popular in Qld.

    But there is nothing special about the salad that comes with it. You would give it to a rabbit or a goat.

  11. feelthebern

    Tell me if you think this is a Brooklyn accent.

  12. JC

    Tell me if you think this is a Brooklyn accent.

    No!

  13. H B Bear

    Melbournibad suburbs?

    Waste of good cow paddocks.

  14. feelthebern

    JC, I was talking to a mate about Gotham Grill closing.
    He couldn’t believe it.

  15. Leigh Lowe

    JC, I thought you and Monty caught up for a lunchtime steak. I realise now it was an evening meal.

    Not really an evening meal.
    Lunch.
    But JC had to wait for the tow-trucks to arrive.
    One to tow JC’s crashed Beemer.
    The other to tow m0nster home in his horsefloat.

  16. JC

    Bern:

    Here’s how you do Crooklynese.

  17. Gab

    Yeah, Bear? Well for your information, we have possums the size of cows in the ‘burbs.

  18. H B Bear

    It is no surprise Shane Warne lives in Brighton. He personifies the place.

  19. mh

    Headline at The Age

    Mask-dodging woman allegedly smashed female cop’s head into concrete

  20. JC

    JC, I was talking to a mate about Gotham Grill closing.
    He couldn’t believe it.

    I know, I saw that too. That was an institution. Danny Myer owned it I think. I don’t think he gives a shit as he owns a decent whack of Shake Shack as he’s the founder. He’d be worth a bill or two.

  21. feelthebern

    Mask-dodging woman allegedly smashed female cop’s head into concrete

    Sounds terrible.
    But as I said earlier, until I see the entire footage of the incident, I won’t believe it.

  22. Leigh Lowe

    mh

    #3535803, posted on August 4, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    Headline at The Age

    Mask-dodging woman allegedly smashed female cop’s head into concrete

    Shopping centre operators are confident the concrete can be repaired.

  23. JC

    Bern

    I think a Queens accent would be pretty distinctive by now. Here’s how it sounds. I love how he exaggerates the word, “China”. He sort of uptalks the last letter.

  24. Cassie of Sydney

    Here’s one of my favourites…

  25. MemoryFault

    Thanks Steve.
    Here’s some more French class back at you – a bit upbeat this time.

  26. feelthebern

    Richard Grenell is a quality follow on twitter.
    He handed Claire McCaskill her own arse overnight.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Just watched an “I am” episode on Netflix about Evel Knievel.
    What a freakin’ one-off mad bastard.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Faulty.
    That’s got buckets of classiness.

  29. Old School Conservative

    What was it that Judge Judy said? If you tell the truth, then you don’t have to have a good memory!

    If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything – Mark Twain, as quoted by Numbers on Monday 29th June 2020.

  30. Zyconoclast

    JC how much does a tub of hair wax cost for a French Bulldog?

    A full dog groom is about 65 bucks. I doubt a french bulldog requires a groom though.. They have short fur, no?

    Perhaps he was referring waxing French bulldog [email protected]

    As promised perfectly ok to look at, safe for work, no eye bleach required.

  31. Top Ender

    The British public has been terrorised…

    …the British public believes seven per cent of the UK population has died from coronavirus, which would amount to a death toll of nearly five million — as opposed to the real figure of 50,000-plus.

    Spiked

  32. Leigh Lowe

    JC how much does a tub of hair wax cost for a French Bulldog?

    A full dog groom is about 65 bucks. I doubt a french bulldog requires a groom though.. They have short fur, no?

    A bit like the Rolls Royce salesman said.
    “If you have to ask about fuel consumption, this car is not for you.”
    Ditto.
    “If you have to ask about grooming costs, the French Bulldog is not for you.”
    Pups retail at about $6 k.

  33. Knuckle Dragger

    Mark Twain wrote fiction too.

    So, there’s that.

  34. Jo

    BruceinWA, sorry mate my mistake, it was 6PM. Watts and Martin 6PR. I’m having a bad day for being wrong. 6IX used to play music a lot.

  35. Infidel Tiger King

    American twitter can’t believe how insane Victoria’s lockdown is.

    Is it the most extreme lockdown that has taken place yet?

  36. Leigh Lowe

    “…and SHINER!”

    That is close to Donald’s weird pronunciation of “Chai-na”.

  37. Infidel Tiger King

    Jordan Schachtel
    @JordanSchachtel
    ·
    11h
    Police in Australia are going door to door making sure people are home. Failure to be present at the time results in massive fine, and who knows what else. A literal police state. Downright terrifying abuse of human rights.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1290460312123199489

  38. Top Ender

    That article in Spiked is brilliant! Covid media coverage…

    … is a form of vengeance for members of an embittered media class. Retribution for the sins of Brexit. Punishment for electing the dastardly Tories.

    And so, Covid-related death tolls have become a daily incantation. Graphs, always curving ominously, have been tweeted hourly. And always with a sort of grim sense of vindication. No context is offered. No attempt to situate Covid in among the many other causes of death, globally and nationally, is made.

    There is never any admission that, say, tuberculosis, a disease for which there is treatment and a vaccine, will kill more people around the world this year than Covid.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    American twitter can’t believe how insane Victoria’s lockdown is.

    Is it the most extreme lockdown that has taken place yet?

    Give it maybe two weeks.
    Less if Jenny Mikakos gets near a microphone.

  40. JC

    You know, we have to be living in a simulation. Someone up there is having a lend with this doc’s name.

    We’re in for a bad and rocky ride:’ Ex-WHO doctor who helped eradicate smallpox predicts COVID-19 turmoil for years

    People will need a small yellow card at airports to show immunization against the COVID-19 virus. Schools, restaurants and sports stadiums will be equipped with quick, inexpensive testing stations for students and customers.

    The world will be fighting coronavirus the next three to four years as virus hot spots skip from nation to nation and the pandemic’s toll will linger for decades, said Dr. Larry Brilliant, a California epidemiologist who was part of a World Health Organization team in the 1970s that helped eradicate smallpox.

    But it’s “not all doom and gloom” with effective vaccines likely to emerge from dozens of candidates worldwide and effective treatments, including convalescent plasma and monoclonal antibodies, to help people recover more quickly, Brilliant said.

    “We will still be chasing the virus four years from now. But it won’t be like (today),” Brilliant told the USA TODAY Editorial Board on Monday afternoon. “It will be like the smallpox eradication program. The polio eradication program. Having yellow fever in some countries and not in others.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/03/covid-19-us-who-doctor-larry-brilliant/5574854002/

  41. Maj

    Trump’s gonna win!

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

    Monday, August 03, 2020

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

  42. feelthebern

    LOL.
    Trump is awesome like that.

  43. Infidel Tiger King

    The world will be fighting coronavirus the next three to four years as virus hot spots skip from nation to nation and the pandemic’s toll will linger for decades, said Dr. Larry Brilliant, a California epidemiologist who was part of a World Health Organization team in the 1970s that helped eradicate smallpox.

    Sounds like we should all deliberately get it.

    This is bullshit.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger King

    #3535822, posted on August 4, 2020 at 10:36 pm

    American twitter can’t believe how insane Victoria’s lockdown is.

    Remember when it was our biggest National Embarrassment when Bananaby threatened to euthanize the furballs belonging to two deranged Hollywood coke-heads.

  45. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3535828, posted on August 4, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    Chai-na”.

    That’s it.

    h/t KD.

  46. mh

    Looking at the BetEasy markets for DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, they have
    Mitt Romney @ $101

  47. Top Ender

    The complete Spiked article – change the background references to Victoria and you have the situation here.

    The British public has been terrorised

    Politicians and the media have whipped up fear of Covid-19.

    Tim Black
    TIM BLACK
    COLUMNIST
    4th August 2020

    Polls and surveys over the past couple of weeks reveal the same troubling reality: British people have been terrorised. Not by the actual threat of Covid-19, but by what they perceive to be the threat of Covid-19.

    Ipsos Mori, for instance, reported that 68 per cent of Brits were ‘very concerned’ about the threat coronavirus poses to their health, compared to 28 per cent who were just ‘fairly concerned’. Perhaps more disturbingly, a separate survey found that, on average, the British public believes seven per cent of the UK population has died from coronavirus, which would amount to a death toll of nearly five million — as opposed to the real figure of 50,000-plus. It also found that Brits were the most fearful out of other surveyed nations about the threat of a second wave of infections, with 76 per cent ‘expecting one in the next year or so’.

    There may be lies, damned lies and polls, but these figures tally with the national experience over the past couple of months, from parents’ fear of sending children back to school, to the curiously enthusiastic embrace of now mandatory face masks, to the increasingly deserted high streets in towns across the country.

    That the majority of Brits are so fearful is hardly a surprise though, is it? For months, they have had to endure a barrage of apocalypticism and fearmongering from a media establishment that seems to be almost revelling in the pandemic, as if high death tolls, rising infection rates and R numbers are political points to be scored against the Brexity Tory government.

    That is partially why the dominant media narrative has been so unremittingly doom-laden. It is a form of vengeance for members of an embittered media class. Retribution for the sins of Brexit. Punishment for electing the dastardly Tories. And so, Covid-related death tolls have become a daily incantation. Graphs, always curving ominously, have been tweeted hourly. And always with a sort of grim sense of vindication. No context is offered. No attempt to situate Covid in among the many other causes of death, globally and nationally, is made. There is never any admission that, say, tuberculosis, a disease for which there is treatment and a vaccine, will kill more people around the world this year than Covid. Never any willingness to admit that this nasty virus is just that — a nasty virus, and not the end of the world.

    Worse still, the UK government, with a large democratic mandate but desperately lacking in leadership, caved in to the politics of fear the moment it announced the lockdown on 23 March. From that point on, Covid was more than a novel coronavirus. It was the Big One, the global pandemic a veritable industry of moral entrepreneurs had long been prophesying.

    Since then, the government may have been easing the lockdown, but it has been unable to assuage public fears. Quite the opposite. With every measure designed to ensure our ‘safety’ — from perspex screens in bars to mandatory face-masks in shops — it has merely affirmed the sense that we are in danger. And so, to secure us against our growing sense of insecurity, more official measures must be introduced, more risks micromanaged out of existence, more concerns allayed. ‘Squeezing the brake pedal’, as Boris Johnson calls it.

    And that, perhaps, is one of the most troubling consequences of the cultivation of people’s fear of Covid-19. The British state, in an interminable attempt to manage our fears, is now engaged in a semi-permanent project of reorganising our communal life around the perceived threat of Covid-19, from the ever-evolving social-distancing guidelines to post-holiday quarantines. This goes far beyond the attempt of New Labour to reorient social life around the fear of terrorism. But it does share something of the frightening logic of that moment — most notably, the willingness to trade off our everyday freedoms for the promise, no matter how illusory, of security.

    But this goes far deeper than the ‘war on terror’, because the public this time round has been far more terrorised. It seems that nothing is off the table. Pubs could be shut down once again. International travel banned. Whole towns locked up. And all because of the perceived threat of Covid-19.

    Yes, the threat is perceived as much as it is actual. There is no doubting this novel virus has caused great harm on a global scale that could potentially approach that of the Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968, or even the Asian Flu pandemic of 1957. But it is not the Spanish Flu redux. It is not the Big One. It is not The End. For all the early epidemiological talk of infection fatality rates of one to two per cent, scientists now suggest the median infection fatality rate is under 0.3 per cent, with a lot of local variation — still far closer to seasonal flu than Spanish Flu. We also now know that not only do the majority of people not get seriously ill, but they are also asymptomatic. In other words, they don’t feel ill at all. And we also know who it does potentially threaten — those with certain health conditions, which tend to increase in prevalence with age. So we know who we really should be protecting, and who we should be allowing to get on with life.

    We know that. But that’s the problem with fear. Once it’s been cultivated, projected on to an object and unleashed, it is difficult to rein back in. And that stops many from accepting that Covid-19 is not the threat it was cracked up to be. The fear and suspicion remain. And this could have serious consequences for life and liberty for many years to come.

  48. MemoryFault

    Dr Larry Brilliant

    Lawrence “Larry” Brilliant (born May 5, 1944) is an American epidemiologist,[1] technologist, philanthropist, and author, notable for his 1973 – 1976 work with the World Health Organization, helping to successfully eradicate smallpox.

    Brilliant, a technology patent holder, has been the CEO of public companies and venture backed start-ups. He was the inaugural Executive Director of Google.org,[2] the charitable arm of Google established in 2005, and the first CEO of Skoll Global Threats Fund, established in 2009 by eBay founder Jeff Skoll to address climate change, pandemics, water security, nuclear proliferation, and conflict in the Middle East. Brilliant currently serves as the Chairman of the Board of Ending Pandemics, and is also on the boards of the Skoll Foundation, Salesforce.org, The Seva Foundation, and Dharma Platform.

    Wikipedia

    Can you say “vested interest” folks?
    I knew you could.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Watts and Martin 6PR.

    Creators of the IMMORTAL King Billy Cokebottle – a character which would have caused Stephen Hagan to burst a blood vessel with rage..

  50. Old School Conservative

    mh
    #3535518, posted on August 4, 2020 at 7:37 pm
    Headline at Courier Mail
    FOLAU’S SILENCE ON REFUSAL TO KNEEL DOES HIM NO FAVOURS

    Written by Will Swanton at The Australian, and taken up by other outlets.
    When I commented at The Oz that Swanton was racist, my post was rejected.

  51. JC

    More funny shit from the simulation. Jonathan Swan is Norman’s kid, who interviewed Trump for leftwing Axios. Just as leftwing as the old ABC goon.

    early life. Swan was born and raised in Australia. He is the son of physician, journalist and radio and television broadcaster Norman Swan, and his aunt and uncle are also Australian journalists. In Australia, he entered the field of journalism in 2010.
    Born: 7 August 1985, Australia
    Parents: Norman Swan
    Profession: Journalist
    Nationality: Australia

    Presumably, from the bio, Norman gave birth to him alone. Norman is the “parents”.

    All gotcha stuff.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/you-cant-do-that-watch-the-most-stunning-exchanges-from-president-trumps-interview-with-axios-jonathan-swan/

  52. Zyconoclast

    Since we are doing French language singing.

  53. Top Ender

    Rita Panahi: Victorians deserve to know the long term strategy to COVID-19

    Victoria is in a perilous state thanks to the state government’s botched hotel quarantine program and contact tracing blunders, but Dan Andrews’ cult-like fan club seem to believe the more he stuffs up the more infallible he becomes, writes Rita Panahi.

    As Victorians endure the most draconian of lockdowns, among the harshest anywhere in the world, it’s time to ask our elected officials: what is the long-term strategy?

    How is Australia going to cope if there is no vaccine in the next two years? It is foolhardy to assume that a vaccine is certain and imminent given a successful vaccine has never been developed for any coronavirus.

    On Monday the World Health Organisation chief warned that there may never be a “silver bullet” for COVID-19. Scientists have tried and failed since the 1950s to develop a vaccine or cure for the common cold. The influenza vaccine is only effective 40 to 60 per cent of the time; some flu seasons the success rate has been as low as 19 per cent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Protection.

    So if an effective vaccine isn’t developed and quickly, what will Australia do? Do Scott Morrison and the National Cabinet have a Plan B and at what point will they share that pertinent information with the nation?

    The rest of the world is adapting, and whether they planned it or not, moving slowly towards herd immunity, while Australia has adopted something resembling an elimination strategy but without explicitly saying so.

    If elimination is the goal then Australia, along with New Zealand, would have to remain closed to the rest of the world indefinitely to ensure the virus does not re-emerge.

    That would be disastrous on a number of fronts with the human, social and economic cost outstripping anything we’ve seen thus far.

    As Taiwan has shown, there is a better way, one that avoids COVID-19 deaths and limits damage to the economy. Despite the daily press conferences during this pandemic, the public has been largely treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed manure.

    Where is the modelling behind the decisions?

    Now more than ever we need parliament, both federally and in Victoria, to be sitting to examine the modelling and debate policies that have devastated so many lives and livelihoods. But there are some who become hysterical at any scrutiny of the poor decision making that has plunged Victoria into a state of disaster. Literally.

    The Dan Andrews fan club is beginning to resemble a sad cult where anything other than blind devotion is tantamount to heresy.

    On social media the #IStandWithDan hashtag trends regularly and is filled with the sort of zealotry, lunacy and misdirected rage one normally associates with crazy sects.

    In the eyes of Dan’s devoted disciples he can do no wrong while Morrison, and bizarrely Peter Dutton and News Corp columnists, are somehow responsible for Victoria’s shambolic coronavirus response.

    But some of us can remember less than a fortnight ago when Victorians were assured by the Premier that mandatory masks were “effectively our stage four”. Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said then further restrictions, such as the repressive measures implemented under stage four, would be ineffective.

    “People have talked about stage four and a broader shutdown but the very places where we are seeing outbreaks, the very places where we are seeing transmission, are the places that would remain open if we went to a stage four sectoral shutdown,” Sutton said on July 25. And yet, here we are.

    The catastrophe in Victoria isn’t due to bad luck, and despite Andrews appearing to turn Victorians against each other, it isn’t due to members of the public misbehaving.

    Victorians aren’t any different to other Australians. If you were to believe Andrews, we have a second wave because Melburnians are uniquely reckless and stupid. Yes, there are some who deliberately defy restrictions but that has happened in every state and territory.

    Last week I wrote about the absurdity of COVID-19 positive cases in Victoria being permitted to break quarantine to exercise. I’m happy to report that on Tuesday the Premier finally put at an end to that insanity. Those who are required to isolate for 14 days will no longer be allowed to leave their residence.

    Victoria is in a perilous state because of the blunders of the state government, particularly the hotel quarantine program and now contact tracing failures. And yet a segment of the community seems to be in the thralls of Stockholm syndrome; the more Andrews and Sutton stuff up, the more they believe them to be infallible.

    In the real world, exposing the truth is necessary, not divisive. Debate is essential, as is holding the powerful to account.

    Once this crisis is over we need a royal commission into Victoria’s coronavirus response. Not an inquiry limited to hotel quarantine, held behind closed doors and without the participation of the premier, but a full, thorough and transparent investigation into Victoria’s botched response.

    Herald-Sun

  54. MemoryFault

    Thanks Mark.
    Bed time for me too.

  55. Leigh Lowe

    Presumably, from the bio, Norman gave birth to him alone. Norman is the “parents”.

    Grown in a petrie dish from a bit of dad’s ground up toenail bound together with a mesh of pubic hair.

  56. Leigh Lowe

    Nighty night Faulty.

  57. Megan #3535204, posted on August 4, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    I’m from a very long line of cranky border Scots combined with stubborn Yorks and Lacastrians…

    Sounds like ¾ of my heritage! Any links to Kelso or Hawick?

  58. Steve trickler

    Impressive attire.



  59. Remember when it was our biggest National Embarrassment when Bananaby threatened to euthanize the furballs belonging to two deranged Hollywood coke-heads.

    Barnaby should have had the two dogs shot, as things have turned out not sure he should have stopped with just the two dogs.

  60. Bruce in WA

    BruceinWA, sorry mate my mistake, it was 6PM. Watts and Martin 6PR. I’m having a bad day for being wrong. 6IX used to play music a lot.

    S’Orright! No wucking furries! ;-D

  61. Gab

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3535822, posted on August 4, 2020 at 10:36 pm
    American twitter can’t believe how insane Victoria’s lockdown is.

    Is it the most extreme lockdown that has taken place yet?</em>

    Here are the Rules. When you’ve managed to read all 24 pages, let us know.

    Rules part A

    Rules Part B

  62. JC

    Drillsie

    I have to say, because you copied and pasted it, the toilet roll comment was quite funny. Even he takes a bite out of you.

    You’re like the Rodney Dangerfield of the Cat. You get “no respect”.

  63. JC

    LOL
    Don’t forget to put the cute little folds on the end of the toilet roll.

  64. Bruce in WA

    Lame pics.
    Nite

    Love your pics, Mark.

    And Natalie Wood.

    Ummmm … the only wood that doesn’t float … apparently.

    (Alright, I apologise for that … very nasty … but it’s been going around for years now.)

  65. Steve trickler

    This clip just gave me a boot to ring Dad. Funny how that works.

    Sleep well all.



  66. Bruce in WA

    Really???

    Further tightening could include:
    • Closing all construction
    • Further narrowing the definition of essential workers
    • Closing bottle shops
    • Shutting bakeries
    • All takeaways shut
    • Restricting shopping to once a week, not once a day
    • Residents not allowed outside for one-hour of exercise
    • Road blocks at all exits from metropolitan Melbourne
    • Hard regional grid lockdown
    • Random road blocks between suburbs
    • Shut down all taxis, with only skeletal public transport available
    • Compulsory mask wearing in homes.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    Where is that from Bruce?

  68. Zyconoclast

    Communist Party Leader Endorses Joe Biden

    Avakian, the founder and leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA, told his followers in a statement on Saturday that they should vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election.

  69. Dr Faustus

    That article in Spiked is brilliant! Covid media coverage…

    Yes it is.
    And, yes, it applies here.

  70. Megan

    I’m from a very long line of cranky border Scots combined with stubborn Yorks and Lacastrians…

    Sounds like ¾ of my heritage! Any links to Kelso or Hawick

    Yes to both, Nelson. One of my rellies was in Hawick Goal during the 1851 census for passing a dud cheque. I’ve not inherited that sort of behaviour.

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How do you strike when you don’t have a job? Unemployed Workers Union tells Aussies on the dole and other Centrelink payments to take industrial action in a VERY bizarre protest

    JobSeeker recipients urged to strike by Australian Unemployed Workers’ Union
    Job seekers urged to not attend interviews or appointments with job agencies
    Comes after federal government reinstated mutual obligation rules on Tuesday
    Employment minister Michaelia Cash slammed the call of action from AUWU

    Daily Wail. You couldn’t really make this shyte up, could you? The Unemployed Worker’s Union? Stuff me with green apples!

  72. Megan

    God, Brighton is full of those atrocious boundary-to-boundary faux chateaux.
    Due to height restrictions they are disproportionate in their own right but worse, they are a take on something which sits in a country estate in France, wedged onto a 1,000 metre suburban block.
    And classic Victorian, Edwardian and 1920’s residences are being bulldozed for this shit.

    See also: Surrey Hills, Camberwell, Glen Iris, Mont Albert and the two Balwyns, regular and North. Its criminal what they’ve done to the lovely old streetscapes.

  73. Compulsory mask wearing in homes.

    FMS, that can’t be bloody real, can it?

    *I live alone on a farm and I am self sufficient…*

    etc

  74. Perth Trader

    Zulu…Eastcoast stock agents have started making calls to west aussie abbs to get there lambs killed here. Watch and see what happens.

  75. MatrixTransform

    Watch and see what happens.

    fuck it … that’s the last lamb ragu for a while then.

    … at least we have brushies

  76. Natural Instinct

    The devastion continues and will do so endlessly until public health officials are forced to explain tradeoffs.
    To save the old, infirm and the obese we proposes that all the under 60’s relatively fit people do abc
    This will prevent x deaths and save y quality adjusted life years. The health cost for the group making sacrifices will be z QALY’s taking into account poverty, reduced standard of living, stress, suicides, etc, etc
    If they can’t explain health benefit and health cost, then they should sit down.
    I repeat this is not health versus economy. This is short term health of one group versus long term health of another group.

  77. Top Ender

    Have a look at The Age’s website.

    Are they starting to turn against Chairman Dan? Such headlines would be rarely seen in Pravda on the Yarra in months gone by, surely?

    Curfew must involve a plan for those who have no choice but to be out
    Victoria Police should offer help rather than punishment to young people breaking curfew.

    Coalition MPs tell Andrews to stop ‘blaming everyone else’
    An inquiry into the Victorian government’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic has split along party lines as Coalition MPs accused the government of shirking responsibility.

    More fines for Victoria’s most disadvantaged areas
    Three poorest communities have copped 10 per cent of its COVID-19 fines. It was a different story in wealthier areas.

    Mask-dodging woman allegedly smashed police officer’s head into concrete

    Families ‘on the edge’ over childcare as countdown to lockdown begins
    Families have been told access to childcare will be limited to ‘permitted workers’, but are yet to find out what that term means.

    ‘Appalling contempt’: Opposition fury as Mikakos bats away questions
    In extraordinary scenes, Health Minister Jenny Mikakos refused to answer questions on the government’s coronavirus response amid accusations the Andrews government was avoiding scrutiny.

    Victorian officials stopped using COVIDSafe app as second wave grew

  78. NoFixedAddress

    Don’t you just love democratic Australian communism.

    After all its the communists shutting down those stinking private businesses that is setting us on the road to production for all.

    And Essential workers are the only true workers and deserve first choice of food.

  79. NoFixedAddress

    ‘Appalling contempt’: Opposition fury as Mikakos bats away questions

    Opposition!

    And I laughed and laughed and laughed

  80. NoFixedAddress

    the absolute fact is that in their Australian Public Service Governments ™ political club they take it in turns.

    commo labor get elected to do the things that commo liberals can’t do under their commo banner and then it changes around so that commo liberals get in to do the shit under their banner that commo labor can’t do.

    And no law nor regulation is ever retracted by either commo side except they are enhanced to the commo max.

  81. I made a comment that Swanton should stick to sports as he clearly did not know anything about BLM. Rejected.

    “Written by Will Swanton at The Australian, and taken up by other outlets.
    When I commented at The Oz that Swanton was racist, my post was rejected”.

  82. NoFixedAddress

    Sinclair

    If the red gob wants to know who said this then kindly pass my details to the gormless filth.

    Peter FitzSimons is a moralistic retard who has the integrity of a goanna feasting on dead Koala carcasses

    Teen Activist Who Rallied to Defund Police and Remove Police from Schools Is Shot Dead in Chicago

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/teen-activist-rallied-defund-police-remove-police-schools-shot-dead-chicago/

    Defund the bald headed vacancy

  83. NoFixedAddress

    FitzSimons

    Some Nazis are still pissed off with ‘black’ athletes

  84. NoFixedAddress

    Which countries or their lords can buy anything they like in Australia but an Australian can’t buy in their country?

    Globalization works for all.

    PS Is Australia still sending Aid to China as we used to do?

  85. Tom

    /aafter yesterday’s artful ‘toon, David Rowe hurries back to the old dementia.

  86. Tom

    Like David Rowe, Christian Adams (London Evening Standard) has crippling TDS.

  87. Mater

    Just catching up.

    1735099
    #3535444, posted on August 4, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    Your memory thinks Kennett was premier at the same time as JBP.

    Show me where I posted that.
    Whistle up Mater.
    He’s probably locked in his bunker in case he accidentally breathes the same air as some housos.
    According to this site they’re scarey – doncha know.

    Your word, not mine, Bob.

    My working class credentials (and that of my wife, as an aside) would make you look like a Yale School Preppy. So you can take your appropriated indignation, roll it in a tight little wad, and shove it up your partially private school educated arse!

    Right. Now that the unpleasantries are done and your verballing is exposed, I’ll do you the courtesy of quoting you correctly.

    From this blog:

    My father enlisted in the RAAF ten days after Darwin was bombed.

    From your blog:

    This young man was my father, and Josie his wife, was my mother. Dad enlisted one day after the news of the Japanese raids on Darwin came through.

    Putting aside the fact that both statements are unadulterated bullshit (which we’ve established beyond doubt), I’m wondering which one is the ACTUAL family narrative that you are attempting to hide your dishonesty behind?

  88. Struth.

    Thanks Tom.

    the absolute fact is that in their Australian Public Service Governments ™ political club they take it in turns.

    commo labor get elected to do the things that commo liberals can’t do under their commo banner and then it changes around so that commo liberals get in to do the shit under their banner that commo labor can’t do.

    And no law nor regulation is ever retracted by either commo side except they are enhanced to the commo max.

    Exactly.

    Again last night Sky, except for Alan Jones was pathetic, but why?

    Outsiders have had numerous letters sent to them from many people, as has Credlin, Paul Murray and all the rest, but because of Jonesy, you know that they know, the real statistics needed are not “cases” as when many are asymptomatic, cases mean nothing.
    We need death rates from the virus.
    And we don’t need death rates of 90 year olds that would be finished off by any cold and flu, the hiccups.
    We want death rates of those healthy people that died FROM the disease.
    They must know the figure, surely, before crushing the Australian people in a tyranny that is shocking the world.

    This piece of plain logic is resisted.
    It hasn’t been recognised by any cognitive human at Sky even though Alan Jones has been screaming this point.
    They know the argument, but even the outsiders will not acknowledge it.
    Can you really be that thick, or have you been told to play us as mugs and not get to the heart of the matter.
    Credlin is disgusting, she knows what Alan is saying and gets shitty that he is saying it as she uses the bullshit to play party politics.
    And thinking of the situation it’s not only evil to be that negligent as a public broadcaster, it’s also stupid as a tactic.
    Death rates “from” the virus are not known, and you will never be told them.
    Death rates of the healthy are zero.
    And Victoria is under harsh Chinese communist imprisonment.
    The rest of Australia is soon to be destroyed completely, because of it.
    There must come forward soon a Victorian with balls, who will fight for their nation in the face of all terror, that being……….given a fine.

  89. Struth.

    Belt and Road , Chinese owned agriculture, ports, dairy, water, an Airport in WA, wineries, universities and politicians. Police stations raising Chinese flags.

    Chairman Dan, the worst commo of the lot is welcoming his masters and showing them what a good job he can do.

    Victoria once called the Garden state is now most definitely and unarguably a communist totalitarian state.

  90. Tintarella di Luna

    Again last night Sky, except for Alan Jones was pathetic,

    Alan Jones is fearless and again last night reminded us of the criminal class running the country – he reminded us of the Alex Hawke branch stacking scandal of the Liberal party – which has been under investigation since 2018 — Alex Hawke is a certainly a “piece of work” – to quote Mark Latham who’s seen plenty of pieces of work.

    A couple of nights ago he also reminded us that our money is only protected to the princely sum of $250,000 if the banks fail — any more than that and you’re on your own — how much interest would you earn on $250,000 in year at the current rates?

  91. Tintarella di Luna

    Victoria once called the Garden state is now most definitely and unarguably a communist totalitarian state.

    From Garden State to Contagion State to Disaster State to Failed State

  92. Struth.

    Did you notice the vague look in Paul Murray’s eyes?
    He knows he’s dribbling shit.
    He knows it, and yet he still has to play that bullshit act of straight forward, no nonsense common sense talking, everyman, of which he knows now, he is not being.
    Watching the dishonesty and the lying, the death of spirit as communism crushes them is amazing.
    Something I was told about, you can read about , but hoped never to see.
    There’s been enough calling Credlin out besides Jones, so she’s gone lack lustre.
    Not as cocky by a long shot.

    Their craven cowardice now stands out like dog balls, and this includes the Outsiders, Rita is ridiculous about it, and due to their cowardice they can barely look the Camera in the lens.
    Underneath they know they’ve caved to communist propaganda in front of a national Audience.
    Credlin has tried to use communist propaganda for party politics!

    No longer do you hear Outsiders brag about being the top rating show.
    Alan Jones is destroying them.
    Jones might be right on things and wrong on others, but he is no coward, the old poof.
    And that is all that matters right now.

  93. Turns out that ANTIFA might have received training in Syria.

    Fire up ole’ squirty. Terrorism is a capital crime (rightly so).

    “Punch a “Nayzee”, bang some sodium bromide, potassium chloride and sodium pentobarbital…yes, punch those “Nayzees”…play stupid games and win stupid prizes”

    AG Beanie signs the indictments.

  94. Anne

    Massive explosion in Beirut.

    Beirut Port completely destroyed.

    The blast was heard in Cyprus, 240 kms away.

  95. Morning Mater.
    Hope you’re enjoying the Southern weather and the lockdown to slow the progress of the (apparently) imaginary virus designed to facilitate a debil-debil Commie takeover*.
    Now, provide some details of your (alleged) service, viz, unit, theatre and operations.
    Without that reference check there’s always the likelihood that you’re a figment of your own imagination – a kind of Walter Mater (now that has a nice ring to it).
    Your acolytes here are dying to know.

    *As alleged by the blog’s resident psychopath.

  96. Feelthebern:

    Sounds terrible.
    But as I said earlier, until I see the entire footage of the incident, I won’t believe it.

    If there’s something the media has taught us over the last few years, it’s that you don’t make up your mind until you get all the evidence.
    Maybe the George Floyd incident will eventually be seen as suicide by cop.

  97. Mater

    Now, provide some details of your (alleged) service, viz, unit, theatre and operations.

    I could tell you the truth about my service, Bob, but you and it (the truth) seem to have an aversion to each other. It would sail past you like a ship in the night.

  98. Bruce of Newcastle

    Massive explosion in Beirut.

    Easily kilotonne level. The JPost report suggests it was a warehouse full of ammonium nitrate, which looks likely from the colour of the cloud – bright red from all the nitrogen dioxide. Only if there is a large excess of nitrate over fuel would you get such a colour.

    Dozens dead, thousands injured in massive Beirut explosion (JPost, 4 Aug)

  99. Mater

    Bob,
    When was your father enlisted in the RAAF and when was the bombing of Darwin?

  100. Hezbollah members are facing trial for the murder of a Lebanese PM.

    That probably be plains the explosion.

  101. explosion

    Bruce – so it might have just been an accident?

  102. rickw

    Strange cloud shape in Beirut explosion:

  103. I could tell you the truth about my service,

    If it exists, Walter, you could.
    But you won’t.
    Now that is intriguing.

  104. Knuckle Dragger

    Good work Mater.

    After reading the latest reminder of Plagiarism Bob’s lies, apropos of the ‘housos’ of which he knows absolutely nothing, combined with his refusal to accept his time travelling expat Vic stories AND the old chestnuts of lying about his own family’s service (for shame, not even Barry Urban did that) I thought ‘no way he can possibly front up today until lunchtime, hoping as always people forget what happened the day before’.

    But here we are.

  105. Bob – no one here is going to buy your book.

    You can’t afford another Miata.

  106. Knuckle Dragger

    Haha.

    The first version coming out of Bay-root is that it was a ‘fireworks factory’ that somehow blew up.

    Preston, Broady, St.Albans and Altona Norf will be going off today.

  107. rickw

    Obey criminals, expect to get robbed:

  108. Mater

    If it exists, Walter, you could.
    But you won’t.
    Now that is intriguing.

    One thing puzzles me about this, Bob.
    If I do tell you, how are you going to verify the details? They are compartmentalised and not public record.
    You know, ‘I could tell you, but then I’d have to kill you’ type stuff.

    As for:

    Hope you’re enjoying the Southern weather and the lockdown to slow the progress of the (apparently) imaginary virus designed to facilitate a debil-debil Commie takeover*.

    Yeah, a real entree serving of ‘cheerful scholar’. A Leftist wet dream; you’d love it.
    You’d be back to enjoying the sensation of a hard-on, sans Viagra.

  109. rickw

    If it exists, Walter, you could.
    But you won’t.
    Now that is intriguing.

    No doubt that it exists.

  110. 132andBush

    Now, provide some details of your (alleged) service, viz, unit, theatre and operations.

    Hahahahaha.

    Oh dear.

  111. feelthebern

    Maybe the George Floyd incident will eventually be seen as suicide by cop.

    George Floyd is a the poster boy for why you should never do meth & fentanyl at the same time.

  112. You know, ‘I could tell you, but then I’d have to kill you’ type stuff.

    Now where have I heard that before?
    ANZMI, perhaps?
    And whilst we’re into sleuthing for fun and profit, I went back and had another look at dad’s file.
    Very interesting.
    On four separate documents, his date of enlistment is recorded as 6th August 1942.
    Darwin was bombed on 19th February 1942.
    Unless calendars ran backwards back then, he enlisted after Darwin was bombed.
    The relevant pages are 20, 26, 27 and 28.

  113. 132andBush

    rickw
    #3535966, posted on August 5, 2020 at 6:44 am

    Strange cloud shape in Beirut explosion:

    Shock wave.

  114. feelthebern

    House numbers been caught out again?
    I must have missed this while being on my couple month sojourn.

  115. Mater

    On four separate documents, his date of enlistment is recorded as 6th August 1942.
    Darwin was bombed on 19th February 1942.

    So is that ten days or 1?

  116. Struth.

    Also, if you are reading this Cardimona, Amanda Stoker wasn’t her shit eating grin self either last night.

    Asked about Dan Andrews she went off on a tangent about people not being interested in laying blame about what is a commonwealth and what is a state roll, and apparently we just want all politicians to work together.

    Struck a nerve there.

    It’s like I said in the other blog.
    They hate the constitution, they ignore it when they can but they haven’t got rid of it, because they need it for legitimacy.
    They just bluff us about it, make dumb arses believe it’s all over their heads anyway,….. but they need it.
    They are in strife when we kick it to the curb.

  117. Knuckle Dragger

    When the AMA starts saying Professor Hot Button* Sutton and his band of power-drunk bureaucrats are out of line, you just know things are going to get interesting (the Hun):

    ‘Health Minister Jenny ­Mikakos has been called a “shameful disgrace” and is facing calls to resign after attending parliament but refusing to answer any questions about the government’s pandemic response.
    Ms Mikakos and about 10 other MPs disregarded medical advice from the state’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton, who recommended they did not attend parliament.

    ‘A “smug” Ms Mikakos then ignored questions about the government’s coronavirus response, including the bungled hotel quarantine program that sparked the state’s disastrous second wave. Ms Mikakos dismissed six key questions, prompting questions about why she bothered to defy the advice not to attend, only to refuse to answer queries.

    ‘“It was just extraordinary and it looked smug and arrogant,” said Opposition upper house leader David Davis. “People are entitled to answers and all she had to do was stand there and answer truthfully.”
    Sources close to the government said it felt it had to send some upper house MPs to parliament amid fears the Opposition and crossbench would otherwise push through “wild” ­motions. But only a small number of politicians — five from Labor — entered the chamber.

    ‘In the chamber, Ms ­Mikakos slammed the Opposition, saying: “The position that the government has been forced into in relation to today’s sitting has been one that has set a very dangerous position — not just in terms of putting staff at risk but also sending a clear message to the community that the Chief Health Officer’s advice can be ignored.”’

    This is apparently different to BLM protests and RoPer funerals and associated festivity. However:

    ‘But Australian Medical Association president Omar Khorshid hit out at all the MPs who disregarded Prof Sutton, saying there was “nothing special about politicians”. “They’re not immune from COVID. They haven’t been vaccinated and they, and their staff, can certainly transmit this virus around the country,” Dr Khorshid said.’

    Surely HBS (Hot Button Sutton) wouldn’t be making partisan statements like telling MPs not to attend Parliament because the ‘risk’ is too high to stop a hard question or two being asked? Nah.

    *Formerly Brett ‘everybody stock up with two weeks’ worth of stuff just in case’ Sutton. Now HBS as he’s said to have become a sex symbol to the sheep.

  118. So is that ten days or 1?

    You’re flailing.
    Would you like me to send you the link?
    Or you could paste it here, and all the members of your simpering clown gallery could check it out.
    You’ve been caught out old mate – fess up.
    And whilst you’re at it, post your alleged “service” details.

  119. feelthebern

    LOL.
    Dig up, stupid.

  120. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘On four separate documents, his date of enlistment is recorded as 6th August 1942.
    Darwin was bombed on 19th February 1942.’

    So four separate documents, discovered by you, have revealed your penchant for fibbing about subjects and smearing an eighth of an inch of pomposity disguised as authoritah over the top.

    You never were any good at this Old Yeller, but geez you’re getting worse.

    Oh hang on – wait for the ‘he decided to enlist’ instead of the actual enlistment date/s previously relied upon.

  121. rickw

    BLM getting chased off by armed citizens:

  122. feelthebern

    The won’t be able to help themselves.
    DNC gunna mention gun control.

  123. feelthebern

    The GOP will have the ad ready.
    Where all the DNC candidates raise their hand at the debate when asked if they support further controls on guns sales.

  124. No one is actually dumb enough to believe this Lincoln Log turds are they?

    Trump talked about overcriminalisation, Clinton and Biden fully backed the three strikes law.

    Kamala Harris laughed about decadal sentences for (racist) drug possession laws.

    The Democrats are racist shits who think they own black people.

    Disgusting.

  125. Knuckle Dragger

    On the subject of existential threats, and defence of our very shores against the hordes of evil, an overlooked factoid:

    In Mater’s link at 7.07 we discover that the site plagiarist’s much more virtuous old man actually volunteered for the Empire Air Scheme. Aside from sounding terribly imperialistic that would have seen him serving in Europe under the Butcher’s Apron, not defending wombats and cassowaries from the yellow hordes.

  126. Mater

    Now where have I heard that before?
    ANZMI, perhaps?

    I’ll remind you of something.

    1735099
    #703761, posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Amazing!
    You’re about the third numbskull who has threatened me with referral to ANZMI. The last one hasn’t been game to show his face on this site after I asked him what happened to the referral. Care to try your luck?

    As for:

    You’re flailing.
    Would you like me to send you the link?
    Or you could paste it here, and all the members of your simpering clown gallery could check it out.
    You’ve been caught out old mate – fess up.

    Please, do post whatever you think you have. I’m intrigued. I’ve just posted a link to my claims, which includes this:

    Your fathers official ENLISTMENT date is 6 August 1942, a whole 168 days after Darwin was bombed.
    Even if we took your meaning to be when he actually VOLUNTEERED to serve (initial application), your ‘ten days’ is still a fabrication.

    Can you point out where this differs from:

    On four separate documents, his date of enlistment is recorded as 6th August 1942.

    ?

  127. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nice Navy story:

    Pacific Island Castaways Rescued After Writing ‘SOS’ in the Sand (4 Aug)

    Pikelot is an uninhabited low coral atoll standing at less than half a mile long, heavily forested and home to a seabird rookery and turtle nesting site.

    The Micronesian sailors had been missing for three days after their 20-foot skiff ran out of fuel and strayed off course.

    Australia’s HMAS Canberra was sailing between Australia and Hawaii when it received the call for help and quickly swung into action.

    On Sunday, an attack helicopter from the Canberra spotted the giant SOS, close to a small makeshift shelter on the beach, and it landed to check the men’s condition and give them food and water.

    A Micronesian patrol vessel, FSS Independence, is on its way to the island to pick up the men.

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Rescue flights for dual Leb/Australian citizens announcement shortly.

    In all likelihood.

  129. feelthebern

    The Democrats are racist shits who think they own black people.

    When addressing a black church congregation.
    What are you going to do? Vote Republican?

    h/t Warren Beatty in Bulworth.

  130. Herodotus

    Gee, what would one use a warehouse full of ammonium nitrate for?
    Was it a workplace accident in a bomb factory?

  131. Bruce of Newcastle

    LOL, Numbers pull out another Lincoln Project astroturf vid apparently something to do with Susan Collins.

    Here’s a story for you.

    Planned Parenthood targets Susan Collins with $1.7 million voter turnout plan (4 Aug)

    So a bunch of baby killers who get funds from the Federal Government at the behest of the Democrats is spending some of that money back to oppose a Republican senator.

    How corrupt is that?

  132. Donald J Trump IS Billington Jay Bulworth.

    I’m President Billington Jay Bulworth, and I approve of this message.

  133. Top Ender

    IF NEW ZEALAND’S THE ROLE MODEL THEN WE’RE IN STRIFE

    ADAM CREIGHTON

    There must be a better way to protect the vulnerable without smashing the economy

    “Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing,” George Orwell wrote in Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    If social media is any guide it is our intelligence, rather than our health, that has been dealt a heavier blow by the coronavirus pandemic and the vested interests that benefit from it. The debate about how to respond to the virus has been undermined by widespread ignorance and the plethora of fallacies that surely call for compulsory teaching of logic in schools.

    Top consulting firm McKinsey revealed the extent of the ignorance on Tuesday in survey evidence that found young people in Australia were more than twice as worried about the coronavirus impact on their own health as those aged over 75, who are at far greater risk. Almost 40 per cent those aged 25 to 44 were “very or extremely” concerned about their health. Almost half of that group also said they had been “emotionally affected” by the pandemic, compared with 8 per cent of the over-75s.

    In light of six months of data on the coronavirus, such beliefs make little sense. They raise serious questions about the quality of education and the insidious role some of the media have played in fuelling the biggest erosion of civil liberties in our history — without accompanying evidence or cost benefit analysis — and a recession whose long-terms impacts can only be guessed with trepidation.

    There are almost eight billion people in the world and six months into the pandemic barely any young have died from the virus.

    Based on Swiss data published in respected medical journal The Lancet last month, the infection fatality rate from COVID-19 for under those aged 20 to 50 is one in 10,870, or about the same as being hit by a car.

    Young people should be far more worried about the collapse in education, their inability to travel and enjoy their lives, and their highly diminished job opportunities and incomes that the Treasury and Productivity Commission have recently laid out.

    For those aged up to 44, the coronavirus is less of a threat than dying from a random accident each year, according to the US National Centre for Health Statistics.

    “Population-wide estimates of the infection fatality rate (0.64 per cent) mask great heterogeneity by age and point towards the importance of age-targeted interventions to reduce exposures among those at highest risk of death,” the Lancet authors wrote.

    Alas, age-targeted interventions weren’t top of mind in the Victorian government, whose decision to move into stage four lockdown is an incredibly high-stakes gamble. If no vaccine emerges — or no vaccine with side effects mild enough that people are willing to take it — what is the point of another six weeks of draconian restrictions with all the attendant social and economic costs that will last years?

    New Zealand is held out as a role model, but it’s a small, remote country. Its biggest industry, tourism, has been ruined, and at some point its citizens may want to come and go.

    The debate is as rancorous as it is littered with fallacies; beyond trusty ad hominem, the straw man, post hoc, appeals to pity and bandwagon fallacies are the most prominent. No one seriously advocates doing nothing; indeed, individuals naturally take their own precautions, without government having to do anything except provide information.

    The question is whether a civilisation that put man on the moon a half-century ago could have come up with a more targeted way of protecting the elderly and vulnerable than causing a downturn so serious forecasting has become impossible.

    Indeed, with six months’ more data, reacting in August similarly to how China, Spain and Italy reacted in March — as Victoria has — surely ignores our improved knowledge and treatment since.

    For instance, we now know that herd immunity tends to cut in at 20 per cent, not the 60 per cent feared, and certainly not 100 per cent — the favoured level of fearmongers who mindlessly multiply infection fatality rate by populations. Meanwhile, the belief A causes B simply because B comes after it in time has proved more contagious than the virus itself.

    Observing a decline in deaths or case numbers after a government took a sledgehammer to its economy says nothing about the effectiveness. Pointing to New Zealand in rapture proves nothing.

    In fact, there’s no reliable relationship between lockdowns and viral trajectories across countries.

    “Full lockdowns and widespread COVID-19 testing were not associated with reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality,” the authors of another recent Lancet study looking at Europe and the US found.

    Then there’s good old appeal to pity. Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on Tuesday described the deaths of three people in their 90s and older on Tuesday as “tragedies”. He either doesn’t understand the word or has lost all sense of proportion. It should go without saying, but the chance of dying in one’s 90s is naturally elevated. In any case, what about 1.5 million deaths a year of children in Africa and Asia from vaccine-preventable diseases? They won’t be getting those vaccines in a depression.

    That brings us to the bandwagon fallacy, thinking something is correct because everyone else seems to. Perhaps frustrated Sweden’s death toll petered out at 5700 rather than the 90,000 it was warned to expect, proponents of draconian responses say “serious long-term health effects” warrant extreme precaution. The virus has been endemic only since March; how can there be any strong evidence of long-term effects, which by definition mean years?

    Economists have been guilty of their own bias, an obsession with gross domestic product – an obsolescent, abstract statistic with little connection to anyone’s life – to determine whether lockdowns have costs.

    China has enjoyed strong GDP growth, but many Chinese are incarcerated or worse if they disagree with their government. There’s more to life than GDP.

    One could try to work out the dollar value of freedom of movement, physical association, by asking how much people would pay for it. But that somehow defeats the point. Transfixed by the supposedly existential menace of the coronavirus and the “long-term” health costs, not enough are focusing on the long-term costs that aren’t captured by GDP.

    Oz print edition

  134. calli

    Don’t give in, Mater. Stand firm.

    The wheedling is entertaining, but not Chief Tempter quality.

  135. Collins is actually becoming more conservative.

    Some git signed me up to a heap of GOP newsletter subscriptions (thanks, you trickster 🙄), and Collins now sounds like a Tea Party Chiquita.

    The feral left are pushing so hard former moderates are simply right by relativism or they are genuinely repulsed by the left.

    Collins doesn’t support the Lincoln Logs. She wouldn’t wipe her bum with them.

  136. Knuckle Dragger

    That pressure wave coming out of the Beirut explosion’s a cracker.

    The noos is saying it was a warehouse full of ‘confiscated’ high explosive. Haha.

  137. Rockdoctor

    Have been watching since last night this back & forth about Sir Joh. My 2c worth as someone who spent best part of 2- 3 decades in what once was God’s country before I am in to it for the day.

    No political party is pure, not even the Greens. IMO Beattie’s Government was as corrupt and maybe worse than SJB-P Government in some ways, difference is the C-M and other media in Queensland was packed to gunwales full of ex-staffers or sycophants that wouldn’t open the skeleton closet unless it couldn’t be hidden anymore. Not much has changed, I saw journos recently writing pieces excusing Trads insider trading folly. Where has there been an effective opposition since maybe Campbell Newmans blip on the radar? LNP just had the chance to maybe salvage something from the fire, na we’ll just change the party president & continue with the same lackluster course.

    SJB-P was 30 years ago now, the same behaviour seems to fester in George st regardless of party affiliation but the state is going backwards all the time.

  138. calli

    I enjoyed reading your 75th anniversary piece on Hiroshima, TE. Thanks for posting.

    It deserves a thread of its own, always lots of interesting opinions on the subject here.

  139. Oh hang on – wait for the ‘he decided to enlist’ instead of the actual enlistment date/s previously relied upon.

    It’s a little more complicated than that, but this is Catallaxy, where it has to be kept simple, given the comprehension skills of many posters.
    When he actually made the decision is unclear, but he did, after he had been knocked back for EATS on 1st April 1942 (p 38 of the file).
    There is a gap of about a month between his receipt of this letter and his marching in (at number 3 RAAF Recruiting Centre) on 6th August 1942 (p 33).
    I wasn’t around at the time, but it is entirely reasonable to assume that he could have walked away from the idea of becoming a pilot or navigator and resumed his civilian career.
    He was, after all, fairly recently married to my beautiful mum, and was, by all accounts making a great job of running his small school. The Darwin bombing intervened, and you could assume that this had something to do with his decision to join up anyway.
    The other interesting point is that on the file (p9) is a letter from my mother written in July 1969, requesting
    replacement of my dad’s returned from active service badge which he had lost. This was about the time when I was posted to 7 RAR and warned for service in Vietnam.
    Discussion with my younger sister who was at home at the time, reveals that when my dad heard I was going to vietnam, he threw his RSL badge in the bin. My mother said he should have something to wear to show he was a returned man, hence the unsuccessful search for the badge, and my mother’s request.
    Dad was livid about conscription, and remained so for the rest of his life.
    I’m eternally grateful to Walter for helping me uncover this fascinating chapter of my family history.

  140. Mater

    You’re flailing.
    Would you like me to send you the link?
    Or you could paste it here, and all the members of your simpering clown gallery could check it out.
    You’ve been caught out old mate – fess up.

    C’mon Bob,
    Where’s that link?
    The suspense is killing me!

  141. notafan

    Well said Adam Creighton

    People take their own precautions.

    I’m all for providing support for vulnerable people but locking a ninety year old alone in a room for six months, that’s just cruel.

    All so Pandanic can avoid being personally responsible for ‘tragedies’.

    Oh you’re so depressed you want to kill yourself?

    Here have a home delivered euthanasia cocktail.

    Hugs himself.

  142. Cassie of Sydney

    Mater…keep up the good work exposing the racist and Jooo hating piece of human garbage…everyday he comes here and lies…he is not even ashamed of his lies.

  143. notafan

    Lady yesterday told me her son had to get tested, and his flatmate insisted he not leave his room for however many days til the test results came back.

    There are a lot of young people identifying as extremely old people atm.

  144. Mater

    When he actually made the decision is unclear, but he did, after he had been knocked back for EATS on 1st April 1942 (p 38 of the file).

    You had the file, and you still lied to win an argument.

    Remember this:

    1735099
    #3511733, posted on July 13, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    True or false?

    Both statements are true, and the second simply repeats the first, with slightly more detail.
    I used his RAAF records to check dates at the time.

  145. Entropy

    No political party is pure, not even the Greens. IMO Beattie’s Government was as corrupt and maybe worse than SJB-P Government in some ways, difference is the C-M and other media in Queensland was packed to gunwales full of ex-staffers or sycophants that wouldn’t open the skeleton closet unless it couldn’t be hidden anymore.

    Yeah, Gordon Nuttall (who also featured in the Joh saga), Mike Kaiser, Bill Darcy, etc etc. in fact in many ways more dodgy.
    The editor for the CM seems pro LNP, like the embarrassingly parochial guy in the mornings on 4BC, but otherwise you are correct about brisbane journos.

  146. notafan

    Numbers isn’t the only one trying to wheedle personal information out of people.

    Others try it in different repetitive nasty ways too.

  147. calli

    Just watching an old bat dumping on deGeneres. Long-winded, dull, self-indulgent, oozing disgruntlement.

    No wonder Ellen told her to “get to the point”, then had her sacked.

    Hells bells.

  148. Struth.

    Dan has done more damage to Australia and killed more people than the bombing of Darwin, Already.

  149. Dave in Marybrook

    New meme on their ABC for the poor beclownmasked Danizens-
    “Thank you for your sacrifice”
    Hushed thanks from Leigh Sales, working from home, and in their “we are one” multiculti montage promo.
    WTF? Do they seriously want us to believe that we’re being protected by the selfless nose-nappies, manning the ramparts, three thousand k away? Are they ready to bow their heads on mourning when the next dozen deaths are named, and quietly pull themselves together with a “there but for the grace of god go I”, with a prayer that the wall of budget pack elastic and chux easy wipes holds?
    Infantilisation of Australia, $1.2b p.a. and rising.

  150. Anne

    The Rothschild Central Bank of Lebanon has been leveled.

    That’s one monument to slavery I don’t mind seeing destroyed.

  151. Mater

    On a different, but related issue.

    1735099
    #3112787, posted on July 22, 2019 at 6:18 am

    This simple reading of history, together with the fact that very few Nashos signed up, is a clear measure of how much of a scam our commitment was, and how strongly patriotic Australians felt about it.
    Contrast that with WW2 when there was an existential threat from Japanese imperialism.

    Bob, let’s take your line of argument here and overlay it on the current COVID situation. If the virus represents a REAL threat, why does the government need to implement such draconian measures to enforce compliance?
    Using your thesis, shouldn’t Australians be lining up to do the ‘right thing’ without government direction? Surely for personal interest, if for nothing else?

  152. Cassie of Sydney

    “No longer do you hear Outsiders brag about being the top rating show.
    Alan Jones is destroying them.”

    Struth….okay, Sky is not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than the free to air gunk. However I think that you’ll find that Outsiders is still Sky’s top rating daytime show. Anyway…what does it matter? They have to be mindful of advertisers…..everyday Sky is targeted that those pernicious and sinister activist midgets.

  153. 1735099

    Where’s that link.

    You have it.
    Come on – post it, if you have the bottle.
    In the interests of truth and transparency.

  154. caveman

    I noticed most of the people sifting through the rubble in Beirut weren’t social distancing, some weren’t even wearing a mask.

    Kaaaaaarrrrreeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!

  155. Struth.

    After what these mongrels have done to Australia, you’ll think you have struck the jackpot of life if you get to die in an old folks home in your 90’s.

  156. Struth.

    Anyway…what does it matter? They have to be mindful of advertisers…..everyday Sky is targeted that those pernicious and sinister activist midgets.

    But Alan doesn’t?

  157. Cassie of Sydney

    “Anne
    #3536035, posted on August 5, 2020 at 8:03 am
    The Rothschild Central Bank of Lebanon has been leveled.

    That’s one monument to slavery I don’t mind seeing destroyed.”

    Are you inferring that the Rothschild family was involved in slavery? Talk about spruiking Jooooish conspiracies….money, banking and slavery…wow…that sounds remarkably similar to what BLM is currently spruiking. This is not funny. There is no Rothschild central bank in Lebanon. Go away.

  158. Cassie of Sydney

    “Struth.
    #3536042, posted on August 5, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Anyway…what does it matter? They have to be mindful of advertisers…..everyday Sky is targeted that those pernicious and sinister activist midgets.

    But Alan doesn’t?”

    Alan Jones is their top rating evening show…..it leaves Bolt and Credlin for dead. Sky isn’t perfect but it is a helluva lot better than anything else on offer. And at least Bolt has queried and questioned the lockdown from the beginning..unlike Credlin. Credlin is just a party hack and operative.

  159. mh

    CM headline

    AUSSIE AMONG DOZENS DEAD IN BEIRUT BLASTS

    ‘Aussie’ in a Centrelink sense, I expect.

  160. Struth.

    The Rothschild Central Bank of Lebanon has been leveled.

    That’s one monument to slavery I don’t mind seeing destroyed.

    this proves it.

  161. 1735099

    Shouldn’t Australians be lining up to do the right thing?

    The majority of them are, and quite a few (including yours truly) have volunteered to help with food delivery to vulnerable people. The local sentiment is pretty clear. Today’s Toowoomba Chronicle is running this headline –
    Close Our Borders Now – We can’t trust people to be honest.
    There are exceptions, of course, who claim that the virus is a CCP plot, and quite a few of them post here.
    There’s also plenty of cognitively disconnected A grade fuckwits, but the Right wing lunatics who have turned it into a political, rather than a health issue, have a lot to answer for.
    Checked the USA fatality rate lately?

  162. notafan

    What about Australia’s fatality rate.

    Or the fatality rate in Melbourne.

    What’s that telling us?

    Do you think the draconian lockdown in Melbourne is justified?

    You’ve already implies that the best strategy is to protect the vulnerable.

  163. Mater

    You have it.
    Come on – post it, if you have the bottle.
    In the interests of truth and transparency.

    Ok, I give up. Give me a hint, a summary will do.

    The majority of them are, and quite a few (including yours truly) have volunteered to help with food delivery to vulnerable people.

    In the hermetically sealed MX-5, or on the White Steed?
    Wrapped or unwrapped from head to toe in a Glad-Wrap?

  164. Snippet from 3AW just then:

    Ski resort had bar and dining room open last night, each with no more souls than permitted under WhuFlu regs.

    Closing time. Dining room closed first as customers were told it was time to wander off. Mr Plod wanders in just as everyone is in the bar and on their way out.

    $10k for that, apparently.

  165. mh

    Never seen Bulworth, but sounds ok

    Angry black woman: Are you sayin’ the Democratic Party don’t care about the African-American community?
    Bulworth: Isn’t that OBVIOUS? You got half your kids are out of work and the other half are in jail. Do you see ANY Democrat doing anything about it? Certainly not me! So what’re you gonna do, vote Republican? Come on! Come on, you’re not gonna vote Republican! Let’s call a spade a spade!
    [Loud, angry booing]
    Bulworth: I mean – come on! You can have a Billion Man March! If you don’t put down that malt liquor and chicken wings, and get behind someone other than a running back who stabs his wife, you’re NEVER gonna get rid of somebody like me
    !

  166. Struth.

    The point I make is that in these serious times, any logically sane person not suffering hysterics and who have definitely had the argument put to them that “cases” are irrelevant, and Jones has said it and they’ve all heard him, to then carry on about “cases” is falling to the propaganda, and basically, helping the enemy.

    You know me, I find it hard to put into words sometimes, but Sky, pretending to be in your corner is about as helpful as having the Liberal Party in your corner.

    The closest we have to a Right winger has always been Alan.
    And I admit, I was hopeful at the start with Sky.
    But that was last year.
    I blame it on youthful naivety.

  167. Also 3AW: instant phone-in poll of undetermined size asked the question: should VicPol go hard or go easy from now?

    98% response: go hard.

    The rest of you are free to say what you like. I’ve got no defense.

  168. Mater

    The majority of them are

    No, they are complying with the law (the same law that instituted conscription).
    Take away the compulsion factor, and less than a quarter would be wearing masks, for example.

    How do I know this? Because after masks were recommended, but before they were mandatory, fuck all people were wearing them. It was a point of great angst amongst the ‘Real Karen’s’.

  169. Snoopy

    Top 10 car producing countries 1950-2019. Fascinating graphic display on YouTube.

  170. Infidel Tiger King

    That is one big explosion.

    Beirut brickies are going to be busy for decades.

  171. notafan

    Don’t listen to 3aw.

    It might take a long time and it might be too late but eventually people will realise this is a disease that is mild for the young and the healthy.

    What it needs is more young people to get it and share their experiences on social media.

    The trouble is most don’t even know.

  172. Barry

    The server for the Vicco Stasi Work Permit document has crashed.

    4 million panicking workers trying to download.

    Typical government, can’t even do tyranny properly without fucking it up.

  173. lotocoti

    IMO Beattie’s Government was as corrupt and maybe worse than SJB-P Government in some ways …

    For a long time there was a single microwave link from Parly House to Mount Coot-tha,
    so everyone in the pool knew what everyone else had.
    The scripts were invariably the same, until someone decided to make it official and become a full time media advisor to the Bleattie regime and an outsider, who didn’t like to share her homework,
    was brought in.
    That’s when things started to go pear shaped for Bleattie & Co.

  174. calli

    Much, much smugging over the heavily editorialised Trump/Swan interview.

    Apparently Trump had the hide to interrupt Swan, Australia’s new low rent version of Tucker Carlson (courtesy of his gurning at Trump’s responses).

    Sinatra was right.

  175. Struth.

    There’s also plenty of cognitively disconnected A grade fuckwits,

    For so many years he has come on here talking about the abusive behaviour of all of us, name calling etc.
    He pompously scolded us while we pretended to be purer than the driven snow.
    Now look how the cock smoker is losing it.

    Oops, Communism wasn’t meant to happen to me , says the communist.
    I was meant to stay free and just dribble it’s shitty message while remaining comfortable, free and living my life on the tax payers teat.

    Hey dickhead, the kids you brainwashed are going to give you what you supported and give it to you hard.
    FAF.

  176. Top Ender

    Foreign students bullying lecturers
    EXCLUSIVE
    MAX MADDISON STEVE JACKSON
    RYAN OSLAND

    Australian university lecturers are being cowed into lowering their academic standards by “highly organised” networks of international students making co-ordinated attacks against any staff members whose assignments and examinations prove too difficult to pass.

    Despite presenting themselves as the purveyors of elite education, academics at some of the country’s most prestigious universities said they had been forced to “dumb down” courses to ensure foreign students with little or no English were able to complete degrees — or else they risked being targeted by official complaints signed by groups of up to 100 pupils.

    Academics are concerned the lowering of standards for overseas students means Australian students’ education also suffers.

    The University of Sydney confirmed it received 135 formal complaints about staff regarding courses or assessments last year.

    “A significant number of similar complaints indicates there was a co-ordinated approach among some complainants about a relatively small number of teaching staff,” a spokesperson said.

    “(Most) complaints were related to assessment processes that were alleged to have been conducted unreasonably or unfairly. All complaints were considered and, where appropriate, used to inform improvements in teaching practice.”

    One professor, who teaches at a respected Group of Eight university in Sydney, said the complaints were taken so seriously by university management they had the potential to derail careers.

    “International students didn’t used to be organised but in the past two years that has all changed,” said the lecturer, who asked not to be named for fear of professional repercussions.

    “Their studying strategy is usually memorisation: memorisation of sample questions, and they always request the exams from the previous year to memorise the answers, memorise the methods in a very narrow way, and they have an expectation that the exam this year is going to be very similar.

    “If your exam questions are a bit challenging or written in a way that is different to what they have done before, then they will complain. There are groups that put together letters to complain, signed by 100 students. Then those letters go high up in the university and we can get into trouble. It has happened to several colleagues — it has happened to me.

    “We then have to provide explanations … and meet with one of your supervisors to discuss it and that kind of thing. The universities don’t care about educating these students — but they depend on the money that comes from them.

    “The trade-off is clear. It is actually easier for us to adapt to these students’ expectations. We know they’ll give us very good evaluations (if we do), and then we’re not going to get into trouble and we are even going to be praised. There is really no incentive to set difficult exams.”

    Another professor at a Group of Eight university said the situation had been exacerbated by an over-reliance on Australia’s $34bn international education industry and that foreign students were too often admitted to courses despite lacking the English skills needed to understand the subject.

    “It’s a disgraceful system,” she said. “I don’t know what passes for language training in China but most of the students I see from there haven’t even the most basic English skills and can’t construct a single, clear, grammatical sentence. And these are the masters (degree) candidates.”

    She said the situation had also resulted in a dramatic surge in instances of cheating, and that complaints to university management were routinely ignored. “What these students do now is they’ll just buy an essay (written by someone else) as they know you can’t trace it. It hasn’t been plagiarised but they haven’t written it — it’s been bought,” she said.

    “Even though you know they didn’t write it … there’s an unwillingness, when you (report it) to the academic integrity office, for them to say, ‘This needs to be dealt with’. I started out idealistic but I don’t even bother sending stuff to academic integrity anymore.”

    A number of universities contacted by The Australian denied they had experienced any issues with co-ordinated complaints against staff, while a University of NSW spokesperson said there had been “no major letter-writing campaigns” regarding coursework or assessments.

    UNSW economics professor Gigi Foster said universities that prioritised revenue over learning were depriving both Australian students and international students of a world-class education.

    “We have a responsibility to domestic students and to the taxpayers who are basically underwriting the university sector in this country,” Ms Foster said. “We also have a responsibility if we make an offer to a foreign student and we bring them to our shores and expect them to succeed just like any other student, but they can’t because our admissions process has failed them due to economic reasons. That is a moral travesty, and it’s offensive.”

    The temptations for campuses are clear. Even three years ago, high-fee-paying foreign students accounted for almost 30 per cent of tertiary students across the country and made up more than 40 per cent of all students across the nation’s most prestigious six east coast institutions.

    That year, international students injected $708m into annual revenue at UNSW, $756m at Melbourne University, $752m at the University of Sydney and $810m at Monash University.

    University of Sydney professor Salvatore Babones said the financial windfalls were so vast, many institutions had devised “preparatory programs” to ensure foreign students could be admitted even if their English failed to meet the university’s official prerequisites.

    He said the University of Sydney required foreign students to attain an International English Language Testing System score of 7.0 — which is considered a “good user” of the language — before they could be enrolled.

    However, the university had a “pathway program” with Taylors College that accepted students with a score of 5.0 — or a “modest user” with only a partial command of the language.

    “The rationale is they attend a year-long English language curriculum at Taylors College (before transitioning to Sydney University). But we hear a lot of stories about the program not being taken seriously by students and that it’s a culture in which it is impossible to fail,” he said.

    “We know something like 95 per cent of international students come through the preparatory programs and then move on to the university of their choice. It is a situation that is ripe for abuse.”

    The programs are set to be one of the issues raised in the NSW government’s parliamentary inquiry into the future development of the state’s tertiary education system, which will sit for the first time on August 12.

    One Nation senator Mark Latham said the inquiry would look closely at the universities’ reliance on foreign funding.

    “They dumb down their academic standards and basically tell overseas students, ‘If you can pay the money, you’ll end up with a piece of paper from our degree factory’,” Senator Latham said.

    All universities approached by The Australian denied there was a problem when it came to overseas students who could not understand what they were taught.

  177. stackja

    calli
    #3536071, posted on August 5, 2020 at 8:29 am

    Biden/Swan interview?

  178. Struth.

    98% response: go hard.

    How many women/Karens?

  179. Farmer Gez

    Victoria is an unintended field trial and it reinforces the fact that the elderly in care are still overwhelmingly the group that dies from the virus.

    Those in care, by the fact they need care, are the most physically vulnerable to infection. Any fatalities also need to be balanced against the expected deaths from a serous flu season.

    There are relatively low numbers in hospital and thirty odd in intensive care. There is plenty of political spin that that hospitals will be overrun but still no evidence that’s the case.

    No number of volunteers or screaming headlines to imprison entire populations will keep a virus that measures 0.125 micron out for long.

  180. calli

    groups of up to 100 pupils.

    The three journalists who put that together must know that the offenders are “students” not “pupils”.

    Thus proving the decline in our institutions.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    Strange that Spud lies so frequently (and so obviously), usually to protect the threadbare remains of his image, yet some are still prepared to accept “his word as a private and a gentleman” on some matters.
    Leopard.
    Spots.

  182. calli

    Biden/Swan interview?

    Who is this “Biden” person?

  183. feelthebern

    It’s a little more complicated than that, but this is Catallaxy, where it has to be kept simple, given the comprehension skills of many posters.

    numbers thinks he is George.
    Unfortunately for all, he is Lennie.

  184. notafan

    I just tried to download. I’m self employed and mostly work from home but have off-site storage.

    Seems silly in my circumstances.

  185. calli

    On the subject of time machines and DeLorens (see last night on escapees from Kennett’s Victoria to Joh’s Queensland), the Doomlord has proved that it’s entirely possible.

    The banner is Beirut.

  186. Cassie of Sydney

    “yet some are still prepared to accept “his word as a private and a gentleman” on some matters.”

    Didn’t he once visit Vietnam?

  187. feelthebern

    Victoria is an unintended field trial and it reinforces the fact that the elderly in care are still overwhelmingly the group that dies from the virus.

    I thought one of the reasons for the NDIS was so nan & pop could stay at home longer when they developed the degenerative conditions.

  188. From Melbourne to Lebanon.

    “Rescue flights for dual Leb/Australian citizens announcement shortly.

    In all likelihood”.

  189. Boambee John

    I wasn’t around at the time, but it is entirely reasonable to assume that he could have walked away from the idea of becoming a pilot or navigator and resumed his civilian career.

    The bin chicken forgets that there was conscription for the Army in 1942 (extended beyond Australian and Australian administered territory by the Curtin government in 1943). That civilian career might have been fairly short!

  190. stackja

    BALMAIN Teachers’ College (in 1956) was a craft institution rather than an intellectual centre, passing on the ways and means of instruction as practised for decades.
    Most of our lecturers had been classroom teachers and were employed at the college as much for their competency in schools as for scholarship. Their lectures were devoted either to the content of the curriculum or to methods for teaching specific material.

    The college had given me its basic lesson procedures: planned lesson types for various methods. So I had templates for narrative lessons, and explanation, study, reasoning, practice, drill and so on. We trainees had tried all such lesson approaches when we had several practice teaching sessions, assigned to a suburban school for a few weeks during term time, under the guidance of an experienced teacher and a visiting lecturer.
    In my first appointment and with my own class, this set of model lessons got me through most everything I thought I needed to achieve. It was a wonderful fallback, and all my college peers agreed: the basic lessons models supported us when we got started.

    PETER O’BRIEN
    Edited extract from Bush School by Peter O’Brien, published by Allen & Unwin, $29.99

    From today’s Daily Telegraph

  191. Struth.

    Victoria is an unintended field trial and it reinforces the fact that the elderly in care are still overwhelmingly the group that dies from the virus.

    Those in care, by the fact they need care, are the most physically vulnerable to infection. Any fatalities also need to be balanced against the expected deaths from a serous flu season.

    There are relatively low numbers in hospital and thirty odd in intensive care. There is plenty of political spin that that hospitals will be overrun but still no evidence that’s the case.

    No number of volunteers or screaming headlines to imprison entire populations will keep a virus that measures 0.125 micron out for long.

    I only have to change that just a little to see where I stand on the issue, putting the first sentence last.

    Those in care, by the fact they need care, are the most physically vulnerable to infection. Any fatalities also need to be balanced against the expected deaths from a serous flu season.

    There are relatively low numbers in hospital and thirty odd in intensive care. There is plenty of political spin that that hospitals will be overrun but still no evidence that’s the case.

    No number of volunteers or screaming headlines to imprison entire populations will keep a virus that measures 0.125 micron out for long.

    Victoria therefore, must be an intended field trial and it reinforces the fact that the elderly in care are still overwhelmingly the group that dies from the virus, or being elderly

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Oops, Communism wasn’t meant to happen to me , says the communist.
    I was meant to stay free and just dribble it’s shitty message while remaining comfortable, free and living my life on the tax payers teat.

    Pay that one, Struth.

  193. I was meant to stay free and just dribble it’s shitty message while remaining comfortable, free and living my life on the tax payers teat.

    It wasn’t Communism that granted me that, old mate.
    It was your wonderful Coalition that sent me to a civil war in peacetime, and gave me a gold card when I turned 70.
    And now you’re paying for it.

  194. notafan

    Ftb

    NDIS specifically excluded elderly.

    Otherwise it would be costing taxpayers trillions.

  195. Snoopy

    IMO Beattie’s Government was as corrupt and maybe worse than SJB-P Government in some ways …

    Let’s not forget how a well known someone close to St Wayne Goss used the opportunity to establish the family fortune.

  196. feelthebern

    Ok. I’m not going to get old.
    I’m going out in a blaze of glory when I hit 60.
    Tony Montana style.

  197. Boambee John

    One professor, who teaches at a respected Group of Eight university in Sydney, said the complaints were taken so seriously by university management they had the potential to derail careers.

    “International students didn’t used to be organised but in the past two years that has all changed,” said the lecturer, who asked not to be named for fear of professional repercussions.

    The standard of professorial English expression has declined to match the decline in standards?

  198. Cassie of Sydney

    “Let’s not forget how a well known someone close to St Wayne Goss used the opportunity to establish the family fortune.”

    Oh yes.

  199. Top Ender

    The same newspaper, on the same page, has Adam Creighton’s libertarian piece – pasted above – and this one, urging even greater charges against those not obeying Chairman Dan:

    ANDREWS HAS THE LAWS, SO LET’S START CRACKING DOWN

    MIRKO BAGARIC

    Tough penalties, even jail, should be the threat, and we can learn from Singapore

    Community dismay is turning to fury at people who test positive for COVID-19 but refuse to selfisolate. It is believed more than a quarter of the 6000 Victorians infected with the virus continue to mingle in the community. The Victorian authorities have been helpless and hopeless in containing them — the only government in Australia to fail at influencing community behaviour by legitimising its pandemic response.

    But all governments have serious legal weapons with which they can threaten those putting others’ lives in danger. Spreading the virus could constitute manslaughter by criminal negligence.

    The test for negligent manslaughter stems from the seminal case of Nydam in 1977. It has two parts. The first is whether the “act involves such a great falling short of the standard of care required of a reasonable man in the circumstances, and a high degree of risk or likelihood of the occurrence of death or serious bodily harm if that standard of care was not observed — that is to say, such a falling short and such a risk as to warrant punishment under the criminal law”.

    The person’s actual intentions and state of mind are irrelevant. They could not protest that they were unaware there was a pandemic that harmed and often killed its victims.

    It must simply be established that a reasonable person would have appreciated that it is dangerous for someone who is infected to come into contact with others — and that this carried a high risk of serious bodily harm, and perhaps even death.

    Every reasonable person is aware that COVID-19 can be deadly and is highly contagious.

    The other element of negligent manslaughter is more problematic. It must be established that an infected person caused the victim to become infected, which can be difficult in the case of an airborne virus. However, this is not an insurmountable requirement in situations where a person who has the virus attends a confined space with a number of people who become infected and who have had no other contacts with people who are positive. Contact tracers are adept at establishing the cause of a coronavirus infection.

    So governments and police throughout Australia already have a solid legal pathway to ensure that people who infect others by breaching stay-at-home orders are punished appropriately for their thoughtless conduct.

    But the biggest failing of Victoria’s response isn’t irresponsible people refusing to quarantine; it is the Andrews government, which has failed to put in place a mechanism to deter sufferers from leaving home. It was quite foreseeable that many infected people would not observe stay-at-home orders.

    There are effective options open to the government, including multiple daily checks plus phone monitoring, placing cameras in people’s driveways and even using electronic bracelets, as has just been announced by the government in Singapore.

    This pandemic is the greatest threat to Australians in living memory, and that the Victorian government has chosen none of these strategies is remarkable given the deaths and economic devastation of failing to limit the spread of the virus.

    Daniel Andrews has spent hours lecturing Victorians on how to behave in this pandemic, but he has missed the one essential ingredient to an effective strategy: implementation. Lockdowns will not suppress the virus if the infected continue to roam with effective impunity. Clearly, the threat of fines hasn’t worked so far. The larger fines just announced for people who breach the isolation rules for a second time will probably be similarly ineffective.

    The best method for ensuring compliance with the law is to make people believe that if they breach the law, they will be detected — this is even more important than the severity of the sanction.

    For serious crimes, harsh sanctions are needed to ensure the punishment fits them. But if you want to make sure most people comply with the law, effective monitoring is the key. It is why speed cameras work and why people rarely commit a crime when they see a uniformed police officer. The opposite is also true, and was demonstrated by the mass attendance at the Black Lives Matter rally in Melbourne after it was made clear that fines would not be issued to demonstrators who breached social-distancing laws.

    The Victorian government needs people to understand the serious legal consequences of ignoring the pandemic rules. And it should immediately establish a systematic process for monitoring every positive COVID-19 case.

    We can learn from Singapore.

    Mirko Bagaric is dean of law at Swinburne University.

    Entire piece from the Oz print edition

  200. Anne

    Actually Cassie, I think the Bauer’s were Catholic but religion has nothing to do with the Central Banking System of debt slavery.

  201. Boambee John

    calli
    #3536080, posted on August 5, 2020 at 8:38 am
    groups of up to 100 pupils.

    The three journalists who put that together must know that the offenders are “students” not “pupils”.

    Thus proving the decline in our institutions.

    They probably should also be aware that Mark Latham is not a senator!

    Graduates of the Carosene school of churnalism?

  202. Farmer Gez

    Mirko Bagaric is dean of law at Swinburne University.

    Has a job and under no threat of losing his job or any part of his massive remuneration.

    The article should be titled: Let them eat cake.

  203. notafan

    Mirko

    Can be deadly, but extremely improbable if you are young and healthy.

    Highly contagious.

    Yes; as soon as restrictions are eased there will be flare outs.

    With universities champing at the bit to get international students back what to do?

  204. Infidel Tiger King

    I’m assuming when your port blows up, logistics becomes a problem.

    Lebanon was already buckled by the financial scandal, a food shortage is not going to end well.

  205. notafan

    Numbers going to ignore my question about Melbourne lockdown.

  206. H B Bear

    We can learn from Singapore

    No thanks.

  207. Anne

    Bauers. No apostrophe.

    Why does spellcheck always do that?

  208. Caveman

    The Chook just closed borders to all NSW and ACT. I thought ACT had fk all.

    Madness.

  209. mh

    I see Doomlord put up the new banner before the explosion.

    Sinc is God.

  210. notafan

    I was 5.5 km from home yesterday and saw the blue flashing lights, some poor sod who’d been pulled over.

    I thought abou driving back to the safe zone but then went stuff it, and didn’t.

  211. Some History

    They could not protest that they were unaware there was a pandemic that harmed and often killed its victims.

    Baseless, highly inflammatory claim.

  212. Struth.

    What do we have in Victoria?
    Government completely in control of the means of production.
    Check.
    The abolition and destruction of the productive private sector, public sector gets pay rises, many while on paid leave.
    Check.
    Specially selected corrupt groups still get to open, and the most left wing unions get a pass.
    Check.
    Population disarmed, all freedoms gone, must produce your papers to move around.
    Must wear government mandated dehumanising apparel when doing your regulated food collection one outing per day.
    Check.
    You must kneel for Marxism.
    Check.
    Government ruling by decree, and threats, by force, smashing car windows to see you travel papers, all accountability gone, parliament and democracy closed. Not even done by video conferencing.
    Reasons given for this are lies, and they don’t care if you know they are lies, because there is no accountability.
    The truth dare not be spoken and will not be heard if it is.
    Check.
    No rules apply to the communist elite, who are finding their new life of empty planes just for them, international travel just for them, and the “power” of it all intoxicating.

    What part of that isn’t communist.

    Global Socialism is only socialism until they take over.
    Then it’s global communism.

    Some countries may break this desperate act by the globalist left, Australia will go down with barely a whimper.
    Dan knew he could get to the next step based on the reaction from Victorians from the second the enacted the first criminal lock down.

    That’s why Victoria, compared to the rest of the world, is locked up tighter than a fish’s arse.

    It’s coming for you Bob.
    You’re not free now, none of us are, but it is only going to get worse.
    Welcome to your Utopia.

  213. notafan

    Mirko wants thousands more police on the street.

    The opposite of BLM.

    What do we want

    A police state

    When do we want it

    Now!

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