Seriously?

This caught my eye in the Herald Sun:

Melbourne residents worried about their privacy are lying on contact forms when attending venues including cafes and restaurants, risking their health and safety, and those around them.

A poll of 1500 Australians, given exclusively to News Corp, found one in 10 respondents had purposefully recorded incorrect or incomplete details on venue contact forms.

A quarter of those polled during the first two weeks of July said they were concerned the venue would not destroy their personal information properly. Nearly a fifth feared the business would use their details for marketing purposes.

No doubt many of those same people handed over their credit card to pay for the purchase.

The sad reality is that most individuals lives, while very important to themselves, are very uninteresting to others. Sad, but true. Really get over yourself.

What is most concerning to my mind is this:

Nearly a fifth feared the business would use their details for marketing purposes.

Shocking – a business that has already sold you a good or service will try to better meet your needs in future. How appalling is that?

This falls into  my general view that if a generation or two has been somehow brainwashed into believing that business is evil it is unsurprising that individuals will not to cooperate with business in any way. So not wanting to share your name and phone number with a restaurant (but sharing your credit card details) is somewhat trivial, but many people will not want to vaccinate against, say COVID-19*, because the vaccine is likely to be developed by big pharma is more of a problem.

To be clear – annoying the government is the Lord’s work. Being stupid at this level with business is why we can’t have nice things.

*This is an example – I’m not convinced there will ever be a vaccine. Happy to be wrong on that point.

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55 Responses to Seriously?

  1. twostix

    Firstly people are doing it to frustrate the government and because it’s mandated by the government so you support it.

    The other aspect (that it makes it ok if it’s business doing it and not government) – they’re just answering leading questions in these polls “are you worried business will use this information?”…”hmm yeah, sure that too.”

  2. H B Bear

    Clearly people are sick of being bullsh1ted too. The banking RC and big tech showed big business is not your friend and should not be trusted. Big business, big government, big law, big accounting are all faces of the same coin. And none of them are on your side.

  3. Maybe this is a way for people to protest, small impact yes, but it gets headlines.

    But, seriously, how about this:

    Small business ombudsman says thousands of screen businesses will fail without TV quotas

    Government should force more crap on people?

  4. notafan

    Sigh

    Signing in at the restaurant.

    I remember that like it was only a couple of weeks ago.

    (I may have but only because I didn’t want to be contact traced.)

  5. stackja

    People should just stay home.
    Then no need to give details.
    How many are spreading Dan virus and not been contacted?
    I understand Dan virus is not viewed as a problem by others.
    My friends are elderly and probably vulnerable and need care. Others may not.

  6. Russell

    So you think that the cafe or restaurant have access to your credit card details when you pay-wave or insert your card? I didn’t know that, I thought that data only went to the card provider.

  7. Sean

    I also think a vaccine is unlikely but it seems that the entire strategy of the federal government relies on one coming to fruition otherwise we will still have all the deaths we would have had anyway (after 2-3 years time when lockdowns aren’t accepted anymore) and a shiteload of debt to go with it.

    This is basically like if we discovered influenza for the first time. People are shocked and scared but it’s not as bad as the media want’s us to believe and now we live with the frail dying from it each year (and some young people too).

  8. H B Bear

    Download the App they said. We can’t relax restrictions till 25% of people download the App they said. Flatten the curve they said.

    People realise it is all being made up as they go along by the “experts”. No wonder they are treating every new hoop to jump through with contempt.

  9. the not very bright Marcus

    What percentage of those were teachers?

  10. Walter Plinge

    Similarly, if I had symptoms of the Wuhan virus I’d keep quiet about it. Testing and confirmation result in more trouble than they are worth. If symptoms got serious I’d call an ambulance and get taken to the nearest private hospital emergency department.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    The sad reality is that most individuals lives, while very important to themselves, are very uninteresting to others.

    I’m sure the Stazi said this (in German of course) many times during the tenure of the GDR.
    They were likewise very concerned for the healthy and the safety of the citizenry.

  12. H B Bear

    Every State (except Victoriastan) shows that with a few basic precautions and proper quarantine facilities on the borders (State or Int’l arrivals) the virus and any hot spots are perfectly capable of being controlled. Unless there is a vaccine that will be the future.

    The incompetence of Chairman Dan and his Marxist clown posse is the exception not the rule.

  13. John snowy Bowyer

    Perhaps the writer would like to go and boil his head?
    The fact is that this balls up is histrionic! It is epic! It is up there with “Ooooh look the Greeks have accepted defeat, left us a gift and gone away. Let’s have an early night and sort it out in the morning. Bring the gift into the city because……….
    Chinese Andrews, the union lickspittle is totally incompetent and has given himself and his sleazy mates pay rises every year to prove it.
    Sorry the following failure list is more than most people want to read.
    Good luck to you and your families! No, not because of the unimportant, insignificant virus. It is the quisling government you elected you have to worry about.

  14. Louis Hissink

    Shocking – a business that has already sold you a good or service will try to better meet your needs in future. How appalling is that?

    Progressives or concerned people have an aversion to business advertising. Lefties of my acquaintance would watch the TV and the instant an advertisement break came on, would turn the sound off and then watching the TV until the advertising finished.

    My response to the advertisements was to leave the sound on and go off to make tea or grab another drink, or visit the john for a slash. As soon as the ads finished back to the couch or seat and the TV program.

    Self inflicted slavery on the part of the lefties, and something they seem quite unaware of. Little wonder they never manage a job with Santa Claus as xmas-tree lights.

  15. Bela Bartok

    I must take issue!
    I always leave false names and numbers on those ‘register sheets’ and it isn’t because I fear what my local bar will do with the information, but the government twerp (local or state) who demands the proprietor hands over a digitised record of the information.
    Why on earth should I tell the government (any government) who I am, or how to contact me when I go outside my home? I don’t need their permission – and demanding my details (or I won’t get served) is exactly that.
    This name-collection isn’t to ‘stop the spread’ or whatever the slogan is; we’ve proved that already with the COVIDSafe app, that it’s useless. And a damn intrusion into my life.

    It’s purely coincidental that Fred West and Harold Shipman are visiting inner Sydney bars.

    Same as lying on a census form. There are always 10 Jedi Knights in the spare room.

  16. John Bayley

    Shocking – a business that has already sold you a good or service will try to better meet your needs in future. How appalling is that?

    Quite a bit, actually. Because you cannot opt out.

    If I want to buy something, I will do my own research. I never shop on the basis of gratuitous advertising – which is also why I don’t use the likes of various loyalty schemes, whose main purpose is just that – data collection.

    I also block all ads and trackers on all my computers right at the router, use Linux everywhere, including at my work, and have open source firewall & privacy-controlling apps on my Android phone (if there was a pure Linux phone, I’d dump Android yesterday!).

    I admit to using fake name etc the one time I have been out for breakfast recently. F*ck the data collectors and their fake ‘pandemic’.

    I paid cash, even though the restaurant had a prominent sign by the cash register saying ‘We prefer contactless payments’. Cash is still legal tender; if they don’t want it, I’ll go elsewhere.

    I am somewhat surprised Sinclair, that a person like you, who grew up in a less than free society, are so OK with these petty privacy-intruding rules, of which there seem to be ever more as we go along.

    I spent my childhood and young adulthood in a communist country and all I can say is that I notice ever more parallels of that time every day in contemporary Australia.

    The computers, processing power and surveyance mechanism that exist today would have been those old commies’ wet dream.

    I see no reason why I should make it any easier for them. Those who like the Chinese or North Korean systems are free to relocate; they should not import that stuff here.

  17. C.L.

    …risking their health and safety, and those around them.

    LOL.

    I’m still amazed by the amazingly amazing fact that not one single check-out chick or shelf-stacker has died of the Celestial Sniffles despite rubbing up against a bazillion people over the past 20 weeks.

  18. John Bayley

    Every State (except Victoriastan) shows that with a few basic precautions and proper quarantine facilities on the borders (State or Int’l arrivals) the virus and any hot spots are perfectly capable of being controlled.

    You are too optimistic.

    If you look at the infection curves in Victoria and compare to overseas, you’ll see that the virus is just doing what viruses do: It will spread until such time that the Rx falls below 1. In other words, until it runs out of infectable persons.

    Lockdowns, border closures and all that just extend the agony and the damage to people’s businesses and mental well-being that goes with it. As soon as they relax, the cycle starts again.

    We need to admit, finally and officially, that the virus is no more dangerous than many others before it, none of which resulted in even remotely the level of hysteria we’ve been living with lately, and that we need to let it burn through the people not at risk (~99.7% of the population, most of whom will see no symptoms even), which will stop the spread within the next month or 6 weeks at most.

    Just like they did in Sweden. The only valid solution is go back to normal, across the board, right now.

    There will not be a successful vaccine. Many medical specialists have admitted as much – because we have never managed to make one for any of the ~50 other coronaviruses we know of, in decades of trying.

  19. stackja

    C.L. – I’m more concerned about the vulnerable. The young are bullet proof.

  20. C.L.

    I draw a distinction between electronic information registered when I make an Eftpos payment and some dickhead asking me my home address, email etc at a crowded counter.

    About a year ago, I bought a chair at an upmarket furniture retailer, was standing at the counter waiting for one to be brought to me and old mate pulls a sheet out and begins asking me for all of my pedigree ID info. I told him I was there to buy a chair and I had legal tender; so ‘no, I’m not answering your questions – do you want to do some business or not?’ He put away the checklist and took my money. And I never got pamphlets and emails from this weirdo.

  21. twostix

    People rightly see businesses acting as an arm of the government in this matter, which they literally are – acting as para-government contact tracing agents and abusing personal decency and manners to get people to comply. People see this and so are refusing to engage in the passive-aggressive private/public government program.

    Normally, theoretically, this would be applauded here but yet again we see when actually put into practice, liberal political and academic elite’s have found another (this happens daily) exception to their own ideology and found a way to damn the everyman.

  22. notafan

    Stackja

    Vulnerable should stay home off they don’t want to get it.

    Agreed.

    Every body else as well forever?

    Without vaccine that is what must happen.

    It’s not going to go away.

  23. Youngster

    I don’t think business is evil. I like business. But I think many of them are annoying, which is why I don’t provide my actual details whenever a business says they need my contacts. I get enough spam in my inbox, and enough unwanted marketing phone calls each week already, without inviting more. There’s obviously enough naive people out there who respond to this type of marketing, or they wouldn’t do it, but they’re just wasting my time.

  24. Diogenes

    A quarter of those polled during the first two weeks of July said they were concerned the venue would not destroy their personal information properly. Nearly a fifth feared the business would use their details for marketing purposes.

    No doubt many of those same people handed over their credit card to pay for the purchase.

    The last time I looked a business does not get your mobile number when you use a Credit Card. So far I have blocked the numbers of about 30 business numbers, because of unwanted, unsolicited marketing texts.

  25. Roger W

    …” but many people will not want to vaccinate against, say COVID-19*, because the vaccine is likely to be developed by big pharma is more of a problem.”

    Or just maybe because there is not a good history associated with mass, rushed immunization?
    From a Henry Ergas article in March about the 1976 flu panic in the USA:
    “But the highly classified memo (President) Ford had received from his national security adviser was no laughing matter.
    Summarising urgent briefings from the administration’s science advisers, the memo reported that, unless immediate action was taken, “one million” Americans would die in the coming months, as the nation was swept by a “particularly virulent strain of influenza virus which, if contracted, is likely to result in a fatality”….
    Sound familiar?
    The article continues, “The director of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, David Sencer, promptly wrote to the then secretary of health, FD Mathews, recommending that — for the first time in the nation’s history — preparations be made to vaccinate every American against a virus, despite the immense difficulties that would involve.
    Mathews didn’t hesitate, saying that, given “the possibility of another 1918”, the administration could not in good conscience “face the electorate later, if it eventuates, and say well, the probability was so low we decided not to try”.

    But there were many problems and many unintended consequences “…with The New York Times lambasting the program as a “costly fiasco” that highlighted the limits of massive interventions.”

    As Wikipedia points out, “After the program began, the vaccine was associated with an increase in reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, which can cause paralysis, respiratory arrest, and death. The immunization program was ended after approximately 25% of the population of the United States had been administered the vaccine.”

  26. Sunbird

    Not one politician or MSM media commentator (apart from Adam Creighton in the Australian) is even willing to consider the possibility that there won’t be a vaccine let alone tell us what the plan is should that occur.
    If there isn’t an effective vaccine the only solution will be to abandon the elimination strategy were running (or aggressive suppression as some call it) and let it sweep through anyway after a futile few years of wealth destruction.

  27. Walter Plinge

    Lefties of my acquaintance would watch the TV and the instant an advertisement break came on, would turn the sound off and then watching the TV until the advertising finished.

    Not just lefties. I do that. Even better, record the program and fast forward through ads at 60x speed.

  28. Andore Jr.

    As above – I’m not worried about what the local business would do with the information, so much as the rule-changing government jackboots demanding that information for whatever purpose they ‘need’ it for

  29. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    The Hotel we’ve been having Friday Cat night drinks at has recently changed to electronic sign ins, which means no more recording your details as Michael Hunt, mobile no 0412 345 678.

  30. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Lefties of my acquaintance would watch the TV and the instant an advertisement break came on, would turn the sound off

    The ads on Sky of an evening are excruciating. I usually mute the volume and go to another room or change channel, read something etc.

    The most annoying ads in human history were the ones vomited into existence by Mojo that ran on FTA in the seventies and eighties. E.g. cue excruciatingly banal nasal whinging:

    For your little mate,
    He’s really grate,
    Dogfood,
    Dogfood,
    Dogfood …

  31. Ally

    The thing is — after you’ve completed the business transaction, companies send you email newsletters that have obviously been written by a Leftard/Woketard. I always unsubscribe but what do they take me for?
    They can go stick it up their jackson.

  32. vlad

    The sad reality is that most individuals lives, while very important to themselves, are very uninteresting to others. Sad, but true. Really get over yourself.

    7-Eleven stores in Melbourne have signs up telling customers that entry to the store will be taken as consent to having your face scanned and uploaded into a database for future monitoring. If you’re alright with that, okay, whatever. I’m not, so no more Slurpees for me. It does seem that every boring thing we do is incredibly interesting to the likes of Coles, 7-Eleven, Greyhound Racing Victoria and President Obama’s re-election campaign. Remember that? No? How soon we forget.

  33. Lee

    I went to my usual hairdresser yesterday to get my hair cut before they close completely for at least six weeks.
    Everyone going in was requested to write his name and phone number in a book.
    I have no idea why.

  34. John A

    John Bayley #3536191, posted on August 5, 2020, at 9:51 am

    I paid cash, even though the restaurant had a prominent sign by the cash register saying ‘We prefer contactless payments’. Cash is still legal tender; if they don’t want it, I’ll go elsewhere.

    Just a reminder that if a seller declines to accept legal tender (within reason – they don’t have to take a $100 note for a $5 coffee), then they cannot demand payment for the amount due ever again.

  35. HT

    Srsly Doomlord?

    1.) Completing that data was one step away from “Show me your Papers”.
    2.) Sure enough, we now have to show authorised officers both ID and our Papers to move around the state after curfew. You know, a curfew that even during WWI and WWII wasn’t needed, but is needed now to satisfy an increasingly undemocratic, authoritarian government. People complying with the first diktat enabled the second.
    3.) Credit card data is not readily available, not even to the Government unless by Warrant. And, if you pay with an iPhone, it is very, very difficult to trace financial transactions even if the government got its warrant. Apple deliberately made it so. Don’t believe me? See how hard it is for a business to get a refund for returned goods if you paid with Apple Pay…the transaction is deliberately “dithered”. Besides, the government may be able to track a few thousand credit cards, but millions of transactions is well beyond its capabilities, even ignoring the fact that a credit Card has no digital geospatial data attached (geolocation is a ManOp, not digitally available)
    4.) I don’t trust this government not to misuse my data. I did trust them, much more than most on this site because I had an intimate knowledge of how such things work. But since this government driven virus hysteria and massive overreach, not anymore.

    Keeping these bastards off balance, even in small ways, is now the Lords work :). I think of it as practice in case the government actually gets all Gestapo and at the very least, to keep the Karens and growing ranks of wannabe Stasi distracted.

  36. Kneel

    “I always leave false names and numbers on those ‘register sheets’ …”

    Heh.
    I’ve only had to do it once, and I got asked “did you scan the barcode”, to which I answered truthfully “Yes”.
    Of course, I didn’t fill out the form at the web site it took me too, but I certainly scanned the barcode and followed the link…

  37. HT

    The sad reality is that most individuals lives, while very important to themselves, are very uninteresting to others. Sad, but true. Really get over yourself.

    And this one. I don’t even where to start! So I’ll keep it simple: think of the Chinese Social Credit System. It operates in the environment and attitude you just described.

  38. Iampeter

    This falls into my general view that if a generation or two has been somehow brainwashed into believing that business is evil it is unsurprising that individuals will not to cooperate with business in any way.

    Yea but you’re posting this on a blog where the majority think “big tech” is out to get them, echoing almost verbatim the leftist demonization of “big business” in general.
    Sadly your post is going to fall on deaf ears.

    But it’ll be funny reading those unaware of their contradiction agreeing with you.

  39. Hodor

    So, my wife and I go out for dinner or I go for a beer or 30 and we sign in, including our physical address.
    It ain’t serious.

    Personally I think those of you who provide false info should come out of your bunkers.

    And do you know that Michael Hunt has three brothers, York, Pork and Sillic?

  40. duncanm

    Vaccine schmaccine.

    Have a look at how effective the ‘flu vaccines are .

    Answer, not very, if at all

    In unvaccinated adults, 16% get symptoms similar to the flu, while about 10% of vaccinated adults do.[6] Vaccination decreased confirmed cases of influenza from about 2.4% to 1.1%.[6] No effect on hospitalization was found.[6]
    ..
    Evidence for an effect in adults over 65 years old is unclear.
    ..
    The group most vulnerable to non-pandemic flu, the elderly, benefits least from the vaccine

  41. Lizzi55

    In the USA the government is funding Yale university to run trials to find out the best way to “persuade” people to take the covid vaccine. Methods being considered include shaming, embarassment, anger. Im sure these methods will also be deployed here. See link below to the Yale program, bit of an eye opener:

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04460703?term=Vaccine&cond=Covid19&cntry=US&draw=2

  42. HT

    Iampeter

    Yea but you’re posting this on a blog where the majority think “big tech” is out to get them, echoing almost verbatim the leftist demonization of “big business” in general.
    Sadly your post is going to fall on deaf ears.

    Big Tech isn’t the problem, it’s big government. I can choose to use or avoid big tech and big business. I can’t avoid big government. See the difference?

  43. Rex Anger

    But it’ll be funny reading those unaware of their contradiction agreeing with you.

    So says IamInThePocketofBigTechCosIAmDownWithTheWokeness

    The only reason Petey defends them, is because they are ideologically converged with him.

    The contradiction lies in his pretending to defend liberal markets and capitalism, by actively supporting crony capitalism, monopolistic behaviour, cartels and stomping on the plebes cos leftism is where the big bucks are made.

    But I suppose Ayn Rand would have supported them too, in order to stay relevant if she were alive today. So maybe IamAParanoidRandroid actually is being ideogically consistent…

  44. Iampeter

    Big Tech isn’t the problem, it’s big government. I can choose to use or avoid big tech and big business. I can’t avoid big government. See the difference?

    I see the difference, but most Cat posters, including guys like Kates, Rafe and TAFKAS, certainly do not.

    See the point?

  45. LBLoveday

    “Just a reminder that if a seller declines to accept legal tender (within reason – they don’t have to take a $100 note for a $5 coffee), then they cannot demand payment for the amount due ever again.”
    .
    Medicare refused cash to settle what they claimed was an over-payment – I never paid.
    .
    Child Support Agency refused to take cash for an FOI application. I chose not to cut off my nose to spite my face, so I paid them with a bank cheque.

  46. LBLoveday

    Same as lying on a census form

    ,
    I don’t lie on the census forms, I don’t fill them in.
    .
    For 4 decades I booked into a motel on census night and the form stayed where it was left, or if in the mailbox, I placed it at the base of the box. I left the form the motel staff provided in my room.
    .
    I did not answer the door at home and the one time a collector fronted me as I left home I ignored him. Eventually the forms disappeared.

  47. Davey Boy

    My identity is my asset, not that of a business and their related entities.

    Given the number of dickheads I have encountered, at work and in general, who instantly judge me by the associations I keep (memberships of civil & political organisations, opinions held) and activities I pursue (e.g. LAFO), it’s good practice and just the good ol’ precautionary principle, not to tell them something I don’t have to especially in the age of Big Data and AI which enable unparalleled data matching and behavioural analysis. That plus the abundance of freaks and weirdos (individuals and groups, and yes even businesses) who can go to great lengths to seek out information about individuals they don’t like for whatever (usually unhinged) reason.

    Sure it might be impossible to stop your identity being spread around once you’ve lodged it somewhere, but it’s my belief that you should at least make it hard as you can for the bastards to know anything about you. This has got SFA to do with any desire to be considered “interesting”. If that’s what you want there’s plenty of social media outlets to farm.

  48. Northshore Redneck

    First couple of times i put in false details due to unknowns around where my details will go.

    Now i put inventive names but real mobile number, so I’ll get a call if someone known to be infectious was there when i was.

    When you think about it, only a mobile number required, not even a name. Even a landline number would work: “If anyone in this house attended location x on this date please be aware an infectious person was also there. Please get tested and self isolate until a clear result is returned.”

    Just another rushed initiative. Do it right and those that have privacy our other concerns around unsolicited SMS/calls/emails wouldn’t have an issue.

  49. Alex

    Agree with Sync that there won’t be a vaccine. Why?
    1. virus has not been isolated, some claimed such but when pressed admit they don’t pass Koch’s postulates.
    2. no isolated virus, then any vaccine is a shot in the wind (very unscientific guess work)
    3. no isolated virus, then any test is ineffective as they pick up a Heinz’s alphabet soup of particles
    4. no CV virus has ever had an effective vaccine, not one, not even for the common cold which is a CV

    If the bookies ran a book on this I’d bet on No Vaccine, ever.

  50. nb

    My goodness, who’d have thought data might be misused…
    Oh, whoops: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/04/point-2/
    ‘possibly using the NSA database for insider trading purposes’

  51. vlad

    The sad reality is that most individuals lives, while very important to themselves, are very uninteresting to others.

    Interesting enough, it seems, for them to be spied on and the information collated; why not sneer at that, rather than the desire for privacy?

  52. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Northshore Redneck at 5:01 pm:

    “…
    When you think about it, only a mobile number required, not even a name. Even a landline number would work: “If anyone in this house attended location x on this date please be aware an infectious person was also there. Please get tested and self isolate until a clear result is returned.” …”

    Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk – well done Northshore Redneck, that was funny.

    You reckon the Sudanese reffo shoplifter/partygoers with the big luba lips from Logan; the important 24 year old diplomat – officially a “diplomat” – flying in from Kabul, where he stands all day looking bored, surrounded by the unhygienic waiting at the Embassy enquiry counter; the death barge cruise ship pokie addicts who had a fundamental human right to disembark and infect others; and the leprosied Toorak doctor who flew in back in March to see 70 patients a week after he revealed disease symptoms would typically respond to a polite text from the government?

    They are not interested in anything other than what they are doing next and they enjoy the admiration of the mob who chant, here, “I’ll do what I bloody please, no gummint’s going to tell me what to do!”

    “Just another rushed initiative. Do it right and those that have privacy our other concerns around unsolicited SMS/calls/emails wouldn’t have an issue.”

    Yeah, sure. They always have an issue because they know everything and no-one else knows nuffin’.

  53. Squirrel

    “A poll of 1500 Australians, given exclusively to News Corp, found one in 10 respondents had purposefully recorded incorrect or incomplete details on venue contact forms.”

    This, of course, will be used as a pretext (if/when Victoriastan limps back to Stage 3) to require the keeping of proof of identity details – which will be absolute gold for the identity thieves.

  54. yarpos

    If you are naive enough to leave more of a trail wherever you go Sinc , you go right ahead. Sure each little bit doesnt matter does it? just a bit at a time, she’ll be right.

  55. rickw

    Why the fuck would I put correct details on a register sheet which is visible to every single person that enters a premises?

    Seriously stupid to take issue with people leaving false information.

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