Burke on the French Revolution

This is from Bret Stephens writing in the New York Times:

Burke’s objection to the French revolutionaries is that they paid so little attention to this complexity: They were men of theory, not experience. Men of experience tend to be cautious about gambling what they have painstakingly gained. Men of theory tend to be reckless with what they’ve inherited but never earned.

Again, is there a better metaphor for Australian government, populated with graduates of Ministerial staffer factories and bureaucracies, most of whom (if not all) would not know what a private sector enterprise is, but believe its sole purpose is to generate taxation to be collected by force and spent with reckless disregard.

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22 Responses to Burke on the French Revolution

  1. Youngster

    Having been a staffer, and now working in a private small business, it’s fair to say that even if you think you know, you don’t.

    I’m a Cat, and was as a staffer as well, so I was never in the “tax them dry and ask them to thank you for it” camp. I would like to think that I spent a lot of time trying to understand the challenges and needs of small business, but unless you’ve actually been there every day for years, you can’t really understand.

  2. Tim Neilson

    [Mention of Edmund Burke. Time to get onto Sportsbet and see what odds they’ll give me on Iamashiteater turning up on this thread and sucking his own dick about (supposed) clear thinking about politics.]

  3. @Tim Neilson

    Now now Tim. Let’s not be like that. This is not the Conversation. Let him speak his mind.

  4. Lee

    Let him speak his mind.

    You’re assuming he has one, TAFKAS!

  5. Rex Anger

    Stackhats and popcorn at the ready lads.

    [Fix Bayonets! Echoes in the background…]

    Wait for it…

    Wait for it….

    Wait for it……..

  6. Rex Anger

    @ Tim-

    I will raise the stakes by 2 virtual Internet cookies, that IamPeter continues to ignore me and engages yours, dover_beach’s, Lee’s,TAFKAS’ and others’ mostly dialectic commentary exclusively with his rhetoric. Which will be applied with recklessness and aggression. And a few No, U!s along the way.

    Have a crack at matching his rhetoric with similar rhetoric of your own, then hold the course and watch him crumble.

    Employ dialectic among yourselves and other Cats as they engage, but only ever use rhetoric on the trolls. It is the only language they are capable of speaking…

  7. Tim Neilson

    I will raise the stakes by 2 virtual Internet cookies, that IamPeter continues to ignore me and engages yours, dover_beach’s, Lee’s,TAFKAS’ and others’ mostly dialectic commentary exclusively with his rhetoric.

    Think of it as a controlled experiment with us as the control group and you as the test group.

  8. Rex Anger

    Randomised? And blinded? I

    What’s the planned dosage? 😉

    I like Science! 😀

  9. Sigh. If Tim knew anything about politics he’d stop arguing about this and state WHY he should give an opinion at all on politics. Virtually everyone who comments on Catallaxyfiles is a committed leftist. It’s why you don’t realise Biden really is a better choice than Trump.

    Trump is the most left wing politician in the US since Barry Goldwater.

  10. Iampeter

    I sure do live rent free in a lot of heads here.

  11. JC

    Dot, are you really the plodes sock as you have him down pat?

  12. Rex Anger

    I sure do live rent free in a lot of heads here

    Not in the slightest, Petey darling.

    We just all beat you to this hill, and were wondering how you might dig in and attempt to again fight to the death here…

    @ LS- Well played, my good man. Well played. 😉

  13. The BigBlueCat

    Iampeter
    #3537934, posted on August 6, 2020 at 4:30 pm
    I sure do live rent free in a lot of heads here.

    No, they live in yours ….

  14. Squirrel

    People who’ve never had the experience of only getting paid if others are prepared to spend their own money on whatever it is that you’re selling should not be let loose with public funds – the across-the-board waste, mismanagement and indulgent extravagance in our public sectors makes it clear that we have far too few such people in positions of power.

  15. JC
    #3537942, posted on August 6, 2020 at 4:42 pm

    Dot, are you really the plodes sock as you have him down pat?

    I had a sales job once. It’s just like acting.

    It’s a tough racket (swigs).

  16. Rex Anger

    @LS- You sure that’s not meant to be It’s a tough racket (swings)?

    😁

  17. will

    Having been a staffer, and now working in a private small business, it’s fair to say that even if you think you know, you don’t.

    I once attended a talk by a small businessman who hit on a great idea and set up one of Australia’s more innovative businesses.

    He started by running a second hand furniture shop. He paid his 2 staff $800 a week for 40 hours work, and paid himself $800 a week for 80 hours work. Until he had his brilliant idea, he was just getting by, like most small business. His wealth (such that it was, probably less than the average workers super) was all tied up in the business, and could evaporate at any time due to changes in the market, more competition, planning decisions and tax and regulation from governments, rent from landlords etc.

    It a very different reality to earning a weekly wage.

  18. Pyrmonter

    For discussion.

    Which of the following is the greater problem:

    – the staffer/lobbyist industrial complex (young, callow, conceited, overwhelmingly male and possessed of the prejudices that come from being near power without responsibility; obsessed with short run, superficial assessments of outcome, very short time-horizons, and rarely the sort of people from whom you’d want to buy a used motor vehicle)

    – the MPs and ministers themselves, mostly the ‘cream’ of that first group, who are given power but fail to exercise it much

    – the senior public servants – often brighter, rarely sympathetic to right-of-centre politics, but those most able to play the games that allow advance within the public sector.

  19. Rex Anger

    Very difficult, Pyrmonter.

    All 3 are inextricably intertwined. Trying to isolate any one of them for detailed analysis and correction is like trying to dig out an individual pulmonary embolism near person’s aorta while it is still working- No matter how you approach it, you will slice the entire shebang open and the patient will bleed out before your eyes.

    Emboli are treated with blood thinners first, to shrink the clot and reduce the risk of complete occlusion (or worse, the little bastard getting loose and blocking more critical vessels, e.g. in the brain!). Then surgical excision/ablation/cauterisation/sleeving may be considered.

    In the same say, the political/executive rot can only be overcome by either a long countermarch through the institutions the Left has subverted, and/or dissolving said institutions and starting afresh. With a very, very jaundiced eye to ideological/values vetting and policing.

    Perhaps this is something more easily and obviouslyachieved in the private sector in the shorter term Vigorously conservative, product- and customer-focussed companies will outperform SJW-converged big players over time. Why? Converged corps are only pushing SJW interests, not making money. Money runs out- (Poof!).

    You don’t want Communists, you have to both watch and bait for them. Like ants. Nobody wants ants…

  20. Tim Neilson

    the staffer/lobbyist industrial complex (young, callow, conceited, overwhelmingly male

    I’m told that the staffers whose job is to ensure that the minister can’t be proved to have been told anything which might lead to the minister being held accountable tend to be female. Sort of like door bitches at night clubs.

  21. Rex Anger

    Fellow Cats, I am concerned that our thought experiment has failed.

    We tipped our hand, and IamTheParanoidRaindroid’s self-preservation programming kicked in. It has thus failed to engage us.

    New hypothesis- If we do not all gather on the hill we know IamPeter is going to want tondie on, while screaming at how unRight we are, then we have a better chance ofncatching it in a counter-rhetorical crossfire.

    Simply put, we need to site and camouflage our ambushes better.

    Can I propose that someone put up a philosophical/political post involving at least one of the following: involving Classic Liberal philosophers, a critique of Ayn Rand, Cjristianity through the ages or how the Evilbad Orange Man is going to get his second term. Closely followed by at least another half-century of USA-first Republican (and maybe even a unicorn-like pro-USA Democrat!) presidencies.

    And that we wait for IamUnableToResistSuchBaits to post first. Then get stuck in.

    [Dune Theme by Toto] The Spicy rhetoric must flow…[/Dune Theme by Toto]

  22. Rex Anger

    New hypothesis- If we do not all gather on the hill we know IamPeter is going to want to die on, while screaming at how unRight we are, then we have a better chance of catching it in a counter-rhetorical crossfire.

    Example HERE onwards on the Q for Cats Thread. Note the windup is in response to Petey’s dismissal of everyone else’s knowledge of politics earlier in the thread.

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