Can she breathe?

Is that policeman kneeling on her neck?

A woman accused of breaching lockdown rules has been pinned to the ground and arrested by police in Hoppers Crossing.

Footage of the dramatic arrest, released on social media, shows the woman facedown on the footpath, while being restrained by three police officers.

Her daughter, who filmed the incident, is heard saying ‘she’s in pain, she said she’s in pain’, while being asked to provide identification by another officer off-camera.

The footage is believed to have been uploaded to social media by a friend of the pair, along with images of the bruising the woman allegedly received from the arrest.

The video has been watched more than 8000 times on Facebook.

“She has two terrible bruises from (the police officer’s) actions, apart from minor bruises that resulted from her arrest.”

Victoria Police said the mother and daughter were arrested and fined $1625 each after breaching coronavirus stay-at-home rules by leaving home for not one of the four permitted reasons.

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88 Responses to Can she breathe?

  1. incoherent rambler

    Sturmabteilung behaviour.

  2. duncanm

    I really can’t see this lasting long without some more serious and widespread civil disobedience.

  3. Tim

    I have no sympathy for the woman/moron or her daughter. They were warned

    But I have a lot of sympathy for all the business people out there trying to work out how to pay the bills because of morons like these 2. The small business business folk are not responsible for the spread and yet they have to bear the cost.

    I would have put the 2 morons into hotel quarantine and made them pay for it.

  4. I’m extremely glad that the police are bringing down these dangerous terrorists without a permit. Let this be a lesson for everyone in Victoristan.

  5. shatterzzz

    What on earth do you have to be doing to attract this level of violence at any time never mind lockdown .. Shirley if your not armed and threatening, imminent, danger this is unacceptable police brutality plus isn’t that a George Floyd, I CAN”T BREATH, knee being applied to the neck area?

  6. a happy little debunker

    Play stupid games – win stupid prizes…

  7. Nick

    When is the protest marches planned for ? I’m sure that feminists and white ribbon charities are outraged. Any time now I’m sure…

  8. The BigBlueCat

    a happy little debunker
    #3538023, posted on August 6, 2020 at 5:41 pm
    Play stupid games – win stupid prizes…

    I agree. I’d like to see any video of what led up to this type of police action. I would doubt the police just lept on her – there ought to have been some civil dialogue before they pounced on her. They only do this if the person becomes aggressive or otherwise resists arrest.

    But hey, she’s not black, so BLM won’t be too upset by it.

  9. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Grubs got exactly what they deserved. If it wasn’t for everyone having a camera these days they might have got a proper tuneup!

  10. Chris M

    Seems like they were protesting the wrong subject. Only BLM and African gang activities are approved in VIC.

  11. Some History

    That video was apparently from the weekend (according to Ch 10 news). She was pounced on because she refused to wear a mask.

  12. Bronson

    Should have tazed both of them and then pepper sprayed them and then jumped on them with a knee to the neck. Absolutely soft if you can arrest a cardinal for a made crime surely you can crush a mum and her daughter with preduices. Vicpol still giving it to you.

  13. thefrollickingmole

    Every pollie that makes a regulation should be asked “are you willing for someone to be killed for disobeying it”?

    Because you are effectively relying on the threat of force to get compliance up to and including assault, deprivation of liberty and, generally if the person resists or is mentally unwell death.

    If you arent willing to have someone assaulted or killed by your agents then why are you placing those regulations on the books?

  14. Knuckle Dragger

    You do not get tackled to the deck and restrained by three jacks for not wearing a mask.

    This is not, I say again NOT an apologist post.

    Have we not learned from the Floyd footage? The more recently released body worn video footage that shows a Gigantor off his tits and trying to drive, after everyone went berko over Chauvin?

    Nobody learned from the burglar Running Man footage in Georgia? The Frankston footage? The carefully edited and selective Murdoch doco? The Eve Black footage? The Avi Yemeni interview with Jim Jeffries?

    All the initially released footage was pored over and dissected by people over the globe, including here, and nobody had access to the actual, full story until later. And when it did everything disappeared, including Floyd himself because it all became about Antifa.

    Video footage. Viewed in isolation. Without context or corroboration, or effective full acoustics (not just the screamer holding the camera, and/or the nearest person only) or an appreciation of spatial distance is next to useless, and in the above cases worse than useless.

    There’s an iconic photo of Jack Dyer, Captain Blood and Richmond captain apparently showing him belting the bejesus out of a bloke from St. Kilda. If you watch the footage of that incident, because it was captured on that too it shows nothing of the sort.

    When the full circumstances around this come to light, and they will in some form or other (most notably the court transcripts, because she won’t just be getting a fine now) and I’m wrong I will throw myself on the grenade and apologise to anyone I need to.

    NOT an apologist post, but Jesus.

  15. Zyconoclast

    Her lack of melanin means this will be a nothing to see here moment.

  16. Lee

    Civil libertarians have been very quiet over the situation in Victoria, with the notable exception of Greg Barns on the news tonight.
    Somehow, I think the situation would be very different if it was a LNP government in Victoria.
    But then “civil liberties” here and elsewhere has been so compromised by ties to left wing politics in recent years, I am not all surprised. The situation in the U.S. is probably even worse in this regard, where some civil libertarian bodies are practically arms of the Democrat party.
    The days of principled civil libertarians are dead and buried, with extremely few exceptions.

  17. C.L.

    I really can’t see this lasting long without some more serious and widespread civil disobedience.

    Where in the Anglophone world have normals rebelled?
    The spirit of the broader middle class in the West is smashed.

  18. Martin

    Reading top comments on DailyMail, it seems most people reckon you should just ‘follow the rules’ and ‘do what the Police say’. It’s disappointing that peoples’ first instinct is obedience, or more specifically, hatred of disobedience.

    Part of that sentiment is leftists who think VIC is in lockdown because a dozen people protested masks or had their lawn mowed, rather than Andrews’ failure and thousands marching for BLM.

  19. C.L.

    Classic – as always – KD and I agree with you generally – especially re Chauvin – but there are exceptions that prove rules.

  20. Bela Bartok

    Bit disappointed in the ‘Do nothing wrong, don’t get bashed by police’ crowd here.
    She’s not wearing a mask… ffs it’s not as if she’s driving like an idiot outside a train station endangering lives.
    Or breaking/entering with violence. Or stabbing someone for shoes. Or walking down a street with a knife to stab some cafe owner…

    The masks are useless, the businesses are shut for no reason, martial law is declared, and they’re just supposed to ‘take it’?

    That woman – for telling the bent coppers to get f*cked – Australian of the Year.
    Drongos here who believe in cov-hysteria? Get a bloody grip

  21. Roger W

    There seem to be no others nearby, so lack of a mask not actually a medical issue.
    The only people getting within 1.5m are the police.
    The reaction of the police is extreme, and seems to include the same restraint that killed Floyd.
    But… she is white and disobeying the Dear Leader, so must be dealt with in the most extreme way. Yet a number of people posting seem to think this is OK.
    Interesting.
    BTW, plenty of scientific evidence that the sort of masks virtually all ordinary citizens are using are almost completely useless as protection for/against this virus, so wearing them is entirely a virtue signal/sign of abject obedience to the power of the State.
    As I have said before, even in 1984 they were not forced to wear masks. There was a reason, of course, but apparently it is not yet a crime to facially show criticism of the Dear Leader – but give it time.
    Meanwhile, if you condone the treatment dished out to this woman, are you part of the problem?

  22. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘exceptions’

    Fair enough C.L., and if this is that exception I’ll stand firm and say sorry and that I was wrong.

    I’m well on record saying the Vicjacks have behaved terribly in all sorts of circumstances over the past seven or eight years, but the very fact they’ve become so risk-averse lends itself to there being more to this caper than, well, meets the eye.

    I’m all for the anti-lockdown protest planned this weekend, but I don’t want to paint m’self as a mouthy ‘if I was there I’d do x and y and z’ punter. And if Patton doesn’t give them the exact same latitude the BLM pansies got, God help him. And them.

  23. KD

    I reckon it will get worse.

    Were you impressed by the next generation of vik pol when you left for the NT (to wrench on a ’77 Leyland mini-moke shooting platform)?

  24. Rex Anger

    I really can’t see this lasting long without some more serious and widespread civil disobedience.

    I thought we were already seeing it. False names on visitor records, extended exercise periods, protesting upon pull-over that the local stores were completely out of essential product X but the manager said some was still at the store in the next suburb, etc.

    I thought there must have also been at least some people in the Danistan hotzones who deliberately parked up their cars out the back of their houses or a street (or two) away, locked all their doors, turned out the front room lights and drew their curtains, and refused to answer the door when the doorknocker patrols came through.

    Civil disobedience need not mean trying to smart the jacks at a checkpoint or riot in the streets, after all…

  25. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    BTW, plenty of scientific evidence that the sort of masks virtually all ordinary citizens are using are almost completely useless as protection for/against this virus, so wearing them is entirely a virtue signal/sign of abject obedience to the power of the State

    Exactly. The number of morons wearing the stupid uglee and utterly useless face nappies here in Sydneystan is both depressing and infuriating.

  26. H B Bear

    VicPol take a break from mailing out traffic fines.

  27. Scott Osmond

    People claim they like freedom but keep voting for chains. Whenever a dictator rocks up they turn up for the shackle fittings as long as they get a lollypop handout. One of several reasons I’ve soured on democracy. I’m beginning to think that like not allowing serving military personnel to run for office the franchise should be limited for anyone receiving welfare or serving in a public service role.

  28. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    the mother and daughter were arrested and fined $1625 each after breaching coronavirus stay-at-home rules by leaving home for not one of the four permitted reasons

    FFS, how can anyone in this country defend this sort of fascist idiocy?

    If the question’s too difficult for some to answer (or answer it correctly), have a think about the real reason(s) why Disasterstan is in its current “regrettable” situation and why its denizens are now experiencing the joys of existing in a totalitarian dystopia unimaginable even six months ago.

  29. Rex Anger

    I’m beginning to think that like not allowing serving military personnel to run for office the franchise should be limited for anyone receiving welfare or serving in a public service role.

    That won’t help us- Practically every politician in office (or aspiring to same) since at least 1975 is/was a (private or union) lawyer, or a union / existing politician’s staff puke.

    No welfare OR public service intended. Nor given…

    (We are long past the days of Graziers, Locomotive Drivers, Senior Engineers, etc. in public office. Ditto even in the Public Service).

  30. C.L.

    FFS, how can anyone in this country defend this sort of fascist idiocy?

    Well, it calls to mind Sinc’s earlier post re Greg Sheridan’s column.
    Sheridan and News Corp have been cheering on that same fascist idiocy for weeks.
    For the life of me, I can’t discern any gulf between them and Andrews.

  31. Eyrie

    How did my country turn into East Germany?

  32. Crazyoldranga

    Remember, Victoria is the State where Vicplod shoot you in the back while you are going down on your girlfriend at a PRIVATE, adults only, fancy dress party.

  33. Squirrel

    If anything approaching this level of fascistic zealotry had been applied to quarantine in Melbourngrad, hundreds of thousands of people would still be working and getting paid real wages, many more now-doomed business would have survived, bankruptices averted and lives saved.

    Rather than a Clayton’s royal commission, the exquisitely PC government of Victoriastan needs to run a full-scale Truth-Telling, Accountability and Reconciliation process on its singularly disgraceful response to the virus.

  34. Entropy

    Exactly. The number of morons wearing the stupid uglee and utterly useless face nappies here in Sydneystan is both depressing and infuriating.

    On the morning commute and four block walk thru the brisbane Cbd today I saw one face mask wearer. One.

  35. BrettW

    This is an obvious one where need to see prior few minutes because as KD said the cops dont just restrain somebody like that for no reason. The footage was by her friends so clearly omitted earlier events that led to police reaction.

    Add two more recent ones to KD’s :
    ABC Australia editing words spoken by IPA guy Gideon where the significant words cut involved “whilst maintaining social distancing” which distorted the whole clip. Seems the edit was not an easy one to do. Does anybody know if a formal complaint was made as hard to explain how it happened ?

    Another was on Meet the Press in USA. Host showed clip of US AG Barr saying something. Then criticised Barr for not saying some particular point. However the full clip showed he said it in the next sentence !

    “Nobody learned from the burglar Running Man footage in Georgia? The Frankston footage? The carefully edited and selective Murdoch doco? The Eve Black footage? The Avi Yemeni interview with Jim Jeffries?”

  36. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Entropy – in Sydneystan it’s now around 50%.

    Unfriggingbelievable.

  37. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    She’s a muuutherrr! – I know that because I read it in the first four words of the Herald Sun report – and she is therefore innocent. Her daughter confirmed this, then I think I read that the poor set upon gentle citizen called, quietly, peacefully, cooperatively “I can’t breathe” so clearly she is also due substantial compo. She could be Lloyd George’s sister.

    The seven police involved must be sacked and found guilty and charged. Can’t you see? They made her cry!

    No, I don’t need to see the lead up or to read about the circumstances. She dindu nuffin. She was just there and nek minnit they brutalised her.

  38. C.L.

    …the cops dont just restrain somebody like that for no reason…

    Three armed men couldn’t arrest her conventionally?
    If she abused them, good.

    I don’t even acknowledge it as a lawful arrest.

    The law has got to mean something more than ‘some shit a quack came up with yesterday.’

  39. twostix

    God you’re a wanker Mick.

    Peak male boomer on this site, complete with weird fetish like fantasies of authorities smashing people’s faces in and tales of forcing your workers to listen to opera on the job site imagining that they actually like it.

  40. candy

    Unless she had a knife, gun or acid or something to throw in their face, it’s hard not to see this as police brutality.

    Three men vs. 1 woman. Not meaning to sound racist, but I doubt they would do this to a non-white, assuming she is a non-white because of the blond hair.

  41. twostix

    as KD said the cops dont just restrain somebody like that for no reason.

    Is this a joke?

    In this very place we had footage of half a dozen police “take down” a fat old dad with a pram for the crime of standing on a street corner during the “lockdown”.

    I know conservatives are super slow to figure shit out but the police – particularly police in leftwing shitholes, aren’t on your or the everyman’s “side” anymore. All the bum kissing in the world isn’t going to change that, to them you are simply a dangerous Nazi.

  42. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From twostix at 8:44 pm:

    “God you’re a wanker Mick.

    Peak male boomer on this site, complete with weird fetish like fantasies of authorities smashing people’s faces in and tales of forcing your workers to listen to opera on the job site imagining that they actually like it.”

    You tried that on before, Lord knows where you got it from but you do need to know that your nappy is showing.

    “boomer” means nought to me, it appears to be popular among those who are so uneducated and so ignorant that they cannot describe in plain English who or what they are mean.

    Is there anything else you need help with?

  43. Steve

    Anyine who advocates the knee on the neck should remember the poem that concludes

    “but there was no one left to stand up for me…”

    Make no mistake…Victoria is being taken over by the NWO right now.

    And people are too scared to speak up….

  44. BrettW

    CL,
    What does them being armed have to do with it ? Do you want them to draw their taser/gun so you can get outraged even more ?

    My point is dont judge the police until you see the full footage which has deliberately not been shown and posted by her friend. There is obviously more to the story than what is shown in the clip. I suspect if they have bodycams they might tell a different story. Perhaps VICPOL PR will have something to say which might give a clue over what happened. You have no idea if it was a lawful arrest until you know what happened prior to the clip.

    Why do you think 3 police are restraining her, for fun and so they can appear on her friends camera phone ?

    I am no fan of VICPOL and rate them the worst as a police organisation in the country. However I reserve my judgement until I see what she did prior to the footage. No doubt you will update us as to whether she ends up in court or if officers are disciplined.

    C.L.
    #3538226, posted on August 6, 2020 at 8:36 pm
    …the cops dont just restrain somebody like that for no reason…

    Three armed men couldn’t arrest her conventionally?
    If she abused them, good.

    I don’t even acknowledge it as a lawful arrest.

  45. Robber Baron

    The VikPol Einsatzgruppen should have shot her to make an example for all Victorians to obey the diktats of the Fuhrer.

  46. gafa

    Meanwhile, if you condone the treatment dished out to this woman, you are part of the problem
    +
    FFS, how can anyone in this country defend this sort of fascist idiocy?
    +
    I don’t even acknowledge it as a lawful arrest.

    Absolutely spot on 👍.

    Listen to that cop at the end questioning the daughter, she’s not asking the daughter to spill the beans on why they were walking the streets carrying AR15s, or had Glocks stuck down their knickers.

    Without the complicit cops, Danny would be nothing and the shit-fest in Victoria would be over.
    All mirrors must have been ordered removed from the dog -boxes the despicable Vic cops call home.

    This is an obvious one where need to see prior few minutes because as KD said the cops dont just restrain somebody like that for no reason.

    Holy crap, what fracking rock have you been living under lately. OTT by VicPol has become the order of the day, it’s all about the messaging and if it get’s caught on film and publicised then all the better to ramp up the fear and passive submission. Many examples.

    Where’s Struth, put down that Constitution and get here and give these ladies some love big fella.

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    LS;

    Was out for a bit consulting my financial advisor – ie, the Keno toppie behind the bar.

    Yes. Saw it coming. It wasn’t terrible at the time but it was a bit ominous. Mid-Nixon feminisation.

    You only ever saw coppers walk the streets in threes in King Street at 2.00 a.m. on a Saturday night. Now it’s mandated because of the multitude of short fat mouthy chicks they employ. Armed Karens, who gave everyone else the shits because they didn’t actually do anything, and they could only start fights rather than finish them.

    And it’s squarely at the feet of the higher up brass who let it happen, who also happened to be largely the same ones that presided over Pell, Gobbo, Gargasoulas et al. Fucking shameful, what they’ve done to what once was a great, respected and feared (by those who should fear them, not everyone) police force.

    Standing by my earlier commentary on this particular one though. Let’s see it all, not just the bits someone wanted Joe Media to see.

  48. Chris M

    There is obviously more to the story than what is shown in the clip

    Wishful thinking, the charges don’t indicate anything special. No mask, refused to show ID. No mention of her pulling a knife or anything like that. Seems reasonable eh. Maybe she was rude to them.

    The salt in the wound is that those same armed thugs do nothing to halt the regular invade, smash and grab sprees of the suntanned gangs. This is now very targeted and forceful tactics, they mean to make examples of the white proletariat.

  49. wal1957

    It appears that the jury has already ruled.
    Stupid bitch…
    OR
    Nazi copper…

    Reminds me of an incident involving a MAGA hat.

  50. Perfidious Albino

    There have been myriad images in the online media this week of lone VikPol and 4 – 6 soldiers in camo trailing behind, patrolling the streets, public parks etc as generic lockdown ‘colour’. Have to say, this is not a good look – they look as though they are there purely as ‘muscle’ for plod. I hardly recognise my City any more, disgusting.

  51. C.L.

    However I reserve my judgement until I see what she did prior to the footage.

    What kind of things might the scary lady have done to warrant being monstered by three armed men?

    Let’s have a list.

    Use your common sense. She didn’t do anything except tell them to fuck off and probably “resist arrest” (as any self-respecting person would given the arrest had no real basis in law).

  52. C.L.

    Good insights here into why the Western world has fallen to the left.
    The so-called conservatives cheer the leftist gestapo because they think these cops are their father’s cops – the guardians of conservatism.

    Honestly. Wake. T. F. Up.

    Did you learn nothing from VicPol throwing an 80 year-old priest in Barwon just to own the cons?

  53. Mustapha Bunn

    Whether this woman is right or wrong in what she did that led to what happened the fact is that she has been fined $1600 plus for the “crime”. Meanwhile no one involved in the quarantine hotels!companies,guards,government civil servants or whoever has even been named much less fined.
    I live in this area. The police numbers here are well under the comparable numbers in other less diverse suburbs. We have had major problems with African youths running riot,invading homes etc. This has been happening for a number of years. Our local police station is not open 24/7. Before Covid I could go about my business in the town,Main Street,shopping mall etc for weeks without seeing a police officer. Now for some reason they are everywhere,in numbers.

  54. gafa

    What kind of things might the scary lady have done to warrant being monstered by three armed men?

    Unfortunately with VikPol it’s all about escalation not de-escalation.

    The only time they ever seem to back off is when they’re chasing real criminals.

  55. mareeS

    No mention of skin colour?

  56. incoherent rambler

    However I reserve my judgement until I see what she did prior to the footage.

    Unless the woman was holding a weapon of mass destruction their is no reasonable excuse for cops to treat a 50+ woman in that manner.
    Inexcusable.

  57. Win

    The police said that she did not stay home. So folks if it takes three Victorian police officers to fine a middle aged women who is not at Home in a manner where she is thrown face down on the ground and held down by three large males she is either armed and a threat and they are in fear for their lives or the Victorian police manual has been written and enacted by bullying thugs .

  58. mark

    All you people cheering this on will come to regret your support of these sorts of actions.
    Where are the fines and arrests for the government officials and bureaucrats that failed in their responsibilities?
    Crickets….
    We are moving towards a authoritarian state.
    It is beyond belief that so many people are willing to give up the future and submit to fear.
    #westandwithchina
    Unbelievable.

  59. Eyrie

    The Vicco cops should renamed “The Blue Thugs”. Most street gangs have names.

  60. Eyrie

    If they wanted to fine her, just take piccies, put them on media and I’m the neighbourhood Karens will dob her in. This will also reveal the Karens who might be dealt with later when things get down to “black powder and alcohol”.

  61. It takes one US cop to hold down a very big black guy, but three very big Oz cops to hold down one small woman.

  62. Knuckle Dragger

    A bit further, apropos of earlier commentary. There are pieces missing here.

    IF the meeja reports are correct and this woman was ‘just fined’, it naturally follows that this maskless chick should be launching a criminal complaint of assault against the jacks, and God knows there are plenty of people waiting for stuff like this. IBAC, their own Professional Standards people and so on. Because you don’t get to just take people down in the street and walk away afterwards.

    IF the jacks have to wuffly fwing people to the ground there is a mandatory two-foot high pile of paperwork that comes with it, in which the coppers doing the fwinging have to justify their use of force*. This covers everything from shooting someone, to smashing in a car window to the application of handcuffs, their explanations are scrutinised by their VERY risk-averse management and the fwingers must have to come up with very good reasons for doing this stuff.

    It’s not a sop. It is, according to impeccable sources a royal pain in the arse, unable to be gotten away from and occasionally takes more time than writing up charges. And it has to happen every single time. You don’t just walk away from it like you do in the films.

    And if she was resisting arrest, which seems to be the flavour of the report then she had to have been charged with that at least – otherwise the jacks’ actions were by definition unnecessary. Yes you are entitled to resist an unlawful arrest, but the lawfulness of that arrest needs to be proven by a court, and if she’s only been fined and not charged – if she pays it, which I’d encourage her not to – then the circumstances (and thus lawfulness) of that arrest will never see the inside of a courtroom.

    There are missing pieces. Just sayin’.

    *You reckon Vicpol are bad on the punters. You should see them go after their own.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    One more point about perceptions of footage and still shots.

    Remember a couple of months back there was a photo that made noos around the nation where a chick on a park bench was surrounded by EIGHT cops? And the headlines, and the outrageous outrage? Packs of jacks tormenting liddle women on their own in a park?

    Turns out that chick had spent the preceding hour screeching at people up and down streets whilst waving carving knives at them. The lone wolf attack-fearful jacks couldn’t find her, until they got a job for a woman fitting her exact description screaming at people in a park that she was going to kill them all.

    Hence the response. Click went the camera, and it tuned into packs of cops descending on little women by themselves.

    Of course these flogs went after kiteboarders and sunbathers and people in parks, and they’re gigantic fuckwits for doing it. But it’s not all that, all the time.

    Not an apologist post. A projection of deliberate perception post.

  64. Mother Lode

    WHITE LIVES MATTER!

    I am going peaceful protesting for a new TV and a new Smartphone. And I can’t stand SUVs, so I will be peacefully protesting them with petrol and matches.

  65. duncanm

    Floyd bodycam footage is out.

    Doesn’t look so decisive now with some context.

    What about this ?

  66. Good luck to that lady and fvck those cops and whoever supports their vile actions.
    Those same cops refuse to chase speeding maniacs. Why? so it doesn’t escalate.

    These pricks must know that people are on edge. Many have lost livelyhoods etc. What’s wrong with a little smart policing.
    THEY KNOW WHO SHE IS FFS. THEY GOT HER LICENCE PLATE. WHY NOT TELL HER TO BE ON HER WAY AND THAT SHE’LL RECEIVE THE FINE IN THE MAIL?

    Farken overzealous bastards.

  67. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Turns out those African-VenOztralians had spent the preceding hour robbing shops up and down streets whilst waving carving knives at the shopkeepers. The lone wolves attack-fearful jacks couldn’t find them, until they got a job for an assemblage of African-VenOztralians fitting their exact description screaming at people in a park that they were going to kill them all.

    Then we saw similar scenes of justified no nonsense apprehension of the African-VenOztralians by Vikpol.

    Oh wait, that’s never been witnessed by anyone in Mosquebourne evah.

  68. The BigBlueCat

    She refused to give her personal details and resisted being under arrest and taken back to the Police Station so they could identify her. As someone said … play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

    Now, we might all lament the use of force in these situations, but the Police have no other option than to physically restrain the person so they can be loaded into the divvie van.

    As my son-in-law is a cop, I have no doubt that what you see in the video is not their preferred approach, but the last resort. That the woman refused to comply with the reasonable requests of the police officers involved means that she is the one escalating the response, not the police.

    Did she deserve to be tackled in such a way – I would say that yes, she does, given her uninformed stance on both the declared state of disaster, the stage 3 and stage 4 rules, and her declared refusal to provide her personal details. I have no sympathy for her. They aren’t being over-zealous, they are doing their job – the job we need them to do.

    I have no problems with people refusing to wear a mask and copping the fine on the chin – it’s these people who are ignorant of the law when it comes to reasonable requests from the police in the normal execution of their duty, especially during a time of a declared state of disaster. By not wearing a mask, she puts all of us at risk – the City of Wyndham in Victoria is a COVID-19 hot spot.

    incoherent rambler
    #3538421, posted on August 7, 2020 at 2:32 am
    However I reserve my judgement until I see what she did prior to the footage.

    Unless the woman was holding a weapon of mass destruction their is no reasonable excuse for cops to treat a 50+ woman in that manner.
    Inexcusable.

    You’re kidding me, right? What if it was a machete? I know she’s being arrested for not following the reasonable request of the police by not providing personal details and then she resisted arrest, but she was also protesting on the intersection of two high-traffic-volume roads. She gets what she deserves. If she has a legitimate complaint, then make it and let a magistrate sort it out. If not, she should STFU. Hopefully, her lawyer will give her the right advice.

    C.L.
    #3538329, posted on August 6, 2020 at 10:28 pm
    However I reserve my judgement until I see what she did prior to the footage.

    What kind of things might the scary lady have done to warrant being monstered by three armed men?

    Let’s have a list.

    Use your common sense. She didn’t do anything except tell them to fuck off and probably “resist arrest” (as any self-respecting person would given the arrest had no real basis in law).

    Being arrested is different from being charged. If she doesn’t provide her name, they can’t write the ticket. So they arrested her, restrained her and carted her off to the station for further questioning regarding her identity. That the cops pounced on her is a last resort and usually after a number of warnings, and likely due to her physically resisting arrest. Any other law-abiding citizen would comply, get the charge and then talk to their lawyer. A wiser person wouldn’t have put themselves in her situation – FFS standing on a busy intersection protesting about the mask regulations and inciting others to her cause was always a dumb thing to do and was going to get the attention of the rozzers. She basically got what she wanted, and I bet she’ll try to sue the cops as well.

    These stupid people who don’t understand the law get educated hard and fast.

  69. Kneel

    “…some civil libertarian bodies are practically arms of the Democrat party.”

    Yes. Sadly, even the ACLU is now useless. Years ago they defended the 1st amendment rights of Nazi’s, to their considerable cost in donations etc, but they stood by the principle that free-speech is paramount, regardless of how offensive, and that the best antidote to bad speech is good speech. Now they are saying some things are too offensive to say. Who’d bother supporting them now when they won’t support civil liberties?

  70. Kneel

    “Exactly. The number of morons wearing the stupid uglee and utterly useless face nappies here in Sydneystan is both depressing and infuriating.”

    Yes, agreed.
    Still, if we have the same rules as Vicistan, then a “home made” mask made of fish-net should do the job. Chairman Dan said it doesn’t have to be surgical grade and can be home made.
    It’s cloth, it’s a mask, I’m wearing it, I am legal, aren’t I?
    Either that, or wear a pair of stockings over your head, and go visit the local bank would be good for a laugh if you had the time to spare.

  71. The BigBlueCat

    Kneel
    #3538910, posted on August 7, 2020 at 1:21 pm
    “Exactly. The number of morons wearing the stupid uglee and utterly useless face nappies here in Sydneystan is both depressing and infuriating.”

    Yes, agreed.
    Still, if we have the same rules as Vicistan, then a “home made” mask made of fish-net should do the job. Chairman Dan said it doesn’t have to be surgical grade and can be home made.
    It’s cloth, it’s a mask, I’m wearing it, I am legal, aren’t I?
    Either that, or wear a pair of stockings over your head, and go visit the local bank would be good for a laugh if you had the time to spare.

    The aim of masks is to reduce the likelihood of virus transmission, not to provide absolute protection for the wearer. A fish-net mask doesn’t do this (see the DHHS guidelines), and I would suggest that anyone wearing such a mask in Victoriastan would be stopped by police if detected. It takes everyone to wear masks, not just some.

    I agree that if you are going to wear a mask, get one that is effective for it’s required task and wear it properly. That people still think that COVID-19 isn’t real and that the government can’t make certain directives that have the force of law during a time of emergency or disaster floors me (we gave our elected representatives the power to do this). FFS follow the advice and directives and we’ll get out of this sooner rather than later. We can vote the useless buggers out at the next election (though I wouldn’t be certain the alternative government is any better) …. we all know they’re as smart as a bag of hammers.

    But as Churchill said: “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others” and “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”. I would extend the last one to include the average politician.

  72. A reader

    If you think Victoria is a democracy then I’ve got a big clock for sale in the centre of London

  73. rickw

    Floyd bodycam footage is out.

    Doesn’t look so decisive now with some context.

    What about this ?

    George Floyd was 6’ 6” and weighed over 120kg.

    This Lady, not so much….

  74. rickw

    The police said that she did not stay home. So folks if it takes three Victorian police officers to fine a middle aged women who is not at Home in a manner where she is thrown face down on the ground and held down by three large males she is either armed and a threat and they are in fear for their lives or the Victorian police manual has been written and enacted by bullying thugs .

    My guess is that she gave them lip and screwed up their pithy fine, that hurt the Blue Filths feelings…

  75. John of Mel

    And to think I was contemplating of becoming a policeman, upon our arrival to Aus?!?!
    Good thing I didn’t follow through with this plan. They lost all my respect now.
    Some people here would ridicule me for suggesting this, but I wouldn’t rule out a Tiananmen Square level of event happening here in a not so distant future. When you see the police pounce on a woman for not wearing a face mask… well, I rest my case. And she might be a complete annoying bitch, it still doesn’t justify it.
    I thought freedom means something in the West, but I see that more people prefer being taken care of, some sort of a security, no matter how elusive it is, than liberty. I understand it while reading comments under HS article about arrests of “Freedom Protest” organisers even before it happened (supposed to be this weekend), but reading comments approving of such police behaviour on Catallaxy… I think the West is done.

  76. John of Mel

    The only thing that might prevent the aforementioned event is a lack of people who would protest against the tyranny of a government.

  77. The BigBlueCat

    A reader
    #3538997, posted on August 7, 2020 at 2:30 pm
    If you think Victoria is a democracy then I’ve got a big clock for sale in the centre of London

    So what do you think Victoria is then? A dictatorship? I mean, really ….

    I get it that you don’t like Premier Dan’s directives (given lawfully I might add) … but the Victorian Constitution defines the powers of the parliament and the process of elections. To make a claim that Victoria isn’t democratic on the basis of disliking Premier Dan’s politics is ridiculous and ignores the facts. If Premier Dan acted in contravention of the Constitution, the Victorian parliament can do something about it.

    I’m not defending Dan Andrew’s decisions or his politics – what I am doing is disputing your claim that Victoria isn’t a democracy. You might not like how democracy works, but it’s better than all the other alternatives (unless you want a direct democracy like Switzerland – and even then you might hate the outcomes).

    Now about that clock ….

    rickw
    #3539016, posted on August 7, 2020 at 2:40 pm
    My guess is that she gave them lip and screwed up their pithy fine, that hurt the Blue Filths feelings…

    Not a good idea to give the fuzz some lip or screw up their fine (I doubt it got that far if she didn’t identify herself). She thought the law was on her side – she was mistaken on two counts, one on actual law, and the other on where to debate the issue. No “winner winner chicken dinner” for her. I don’t care that it took 3 to pin her down – she looked ok when she got up (the video is on Wyndham TV). None of what happened was life-threatening (other than the COVID-19/mask issue that is). The police weren’t acting disproportionately if she’s resisting arrest (I’ve seen enough of the video to understand that’s what she was doing – and there’s plenty of other videos with people trying the same crap as this one).

    FFS Cats often bang on about the rule of law, but when it’s applied Cats complain. Make up your mind. The police have a tough enough job without even more stupid people doing even more stupid things and reacting even more stupidly when caught out. Of course, I blame her parents for her flagrant disdain of lawful authority …. I wonder if Dad stuck around.

  78. The BigBlueCat

    John of Mel
    #3539062, posted on August 7, 2020 at 3:08 pm
    And to think I was contemplating of becoming a policeman, upon our arrival to Aus?!?!
    Good thing I didn’t follow through with this plan. They lost all my respect now.
    Some people here would ridicule me for suggesting this, but I wouldn’t rule out a Tiananmen Square level of event happening here in a not so distant future. When you see the police pounce on a woman for not wearing a face mask… well, I rest my case. And she might be a complete annoying bitch, it still doesn’t justify it.
    I thought freedom means something in the West, but I see that more people prefer being taken care of, some sort of a security, no matter how elusive it is, than liberty. I understand it while reading comments under HS article about arrests of “Freedom Protest” organisers even before it happened (supposed to be this weekend), but reading comments approving of such police behaviour on Catallaxy… I think the West is done.

    I’m glad you’re not a cop … you seem to disregard the evidence, or just make shit up! They didn’t “pounce on a woman” for no mask – they were in the process of arresting her for not providing information about her identity, which by law she must do if reasonably asked by a police officer when they are investigating unlawful activity. And it would only have got to the stage it did after repeated requests and warnings by the police, and her physically resisting arrest.

    There is no evidence that the Andrews’ government is acting tyrannically, and only extremists would suggest so. Sure, Andrews is a Fabian Socialist and has stuffed up – we can fix that at the next election if we want to (and I do, since he’s also a union stooge). Frankly, I don’t see a Tiananmen Square type protest happening, or a People’s Army type response with tanks either. If it does happen, shame and damnation on the government.

    John of Mel
    #3539065, posted on August 7, 2020 at 3:09 pm
    The only thing that might prevent the aforementioned event is a lack of people who would protest against the tyranny of a government.

    Not the only thing, but certainly the main thing. But they would first need to understand if the government acted tyrannically or not. Personally, I don’t think they have (I don’t hear of any firing squads or gulags just yet).

  79. rickw

    Not the only thing, but certainly the main thing. But they would first need to understand if the government acted tyrannically or not.

    Depriving people of freedom of movement and consequently the ability of many to make an income is pretty serious. But hey, they haven’t shot anyone yet so it’s all ok….

  80. Kneel

    “But they would first need to understand if the government acted tyrannically or not.”

    Err, didn’t the supreme court say there was an implied right of political free speech?
    I’m pretty sure they did.
    So, if they are arresting people for planning a protest – or having one – against government policy and actions, that would be a denial of this implied right, wouldn’t it? And isn’t a denial of rights tyrannical – by definition?
    I’m not aware that the court also added the condition of “except during a pandemic” – a right is a right, is it not?

  81. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From The BigBlueCat at 3:44 pm :

    “I’m glad you’re not a cop … you seem to disregard the evidence, or just make shit up! They didn’t “pounce on a woman” for no mask – they were in the process of arresting her for not providing information about her identity, which by law she must do if reasonably asked by a police officer when they are investigating unlawful activity. And it would only have got to the stage it did after repeated requests and warnings by the police, and her physically resisting arrest.”

    What you have posted makes eminent good sense BigBlueCat.

    I am enjoying the fabulous coincidence in the release in the last few days of the filmed evidence of how habitual offender Lloyd from Disneyland or Mississippi or wherever died which conflicts mightily with the fashionable evidence. The USA offenders practice manual has been released in Victoria it seems, with “I can’t breathe” being used as the opening number if you are apprehended by the police.

    The reaction here to the Hoppers Crossing arrest reveals quite clearly that this place is no less likely than any other forum to create a popular unsubstantiated narrative.

    I read here in the last day or so detailed analysis of what particular explosive went up in Beirut and specifically how it was detonated by Mossad/Seal Team XV/5RAR/Canterbury Rugby Union Seconds end of season tourists, relying on not-HD-film beamed in from 9,000 miles away and closely examined on a 8″ by 12″ computer screen, or a 4″ by 2″ mobile phone screen. The deadly world wide epidemic management team experts are nothing if not versatile!

  82. The BigBlueCat

    Kneel
    #3540100, posted on August 8, 2020 at 10:37 am
    “But they would first need to understand if the government acted tyrannically or not.”

    Err, didn’t the supreme court say there was an implied right of political free speech?
    I’m pretty sure they did.
    So, if they are arresting people for planning a protest – or having one – against government policy and actions, that would be a denial of this implied right, wouldn’t it? And isn’t a denial of rights tyrannical – by definition?
    I’m not aware that the court also added the condition of “except during a pandemic” – a right is a right, is it not?

    You might need to understand the difference between tyrannical and authoritarian. But these two did have the right to free speech – they just chose the wrong way to exercise it. They could have done so from behind appropriate masks, and in a way that doesn’t put themselves or others at risk. There is no free speech issue here, and certainly, their point of view has been heard from them and from others.

    And let me say, there are many, many boguns in Hoppers Crossing … and also many, many smart and intelligent people also. Thankfully it’s the boguns that get arrested for doing dumb things. Planning an illegal protest might be a conspiracy to commit an illegal act – ask those Australian terrorists that were arrested before they acted out their plot.

    A denial of rights is only prima-facie a breach of rights, and in the absence of a charter of rights here in Australia, a breach of rights is not necessarily an illegal act on the part of the government unless the right is enshrined in law. I’m happy to be corrected on the (with evidence). Also, denying one method of expression is also not necessarily an impediment to freedom of speech. Censorious, probably, but a restriction of rights or ability, no. IMHO.

  83. Kneel

    “I agree that if you are going to wear a mask, get one that is effective for it’s required task and wear it properly.”

    Even surgical masks are ineffective for stopping a virus – they are designed for bacteria, which are much, much bigger things. Using a mask made of cotton etc is damn close to useless, and the additional protection afforded by wearing one in no way justifies a mandate to wear one – not even close. Frankly, it wouldn’t be hard to get a medical expert to agree that fishnet was not significantly different to cotton in this regard.

    “They could have done so from behind appropriate masks, and in a way that doesn’t put themselves or others at risk.”
    If the criteria is “in a way that doesn’t put themselves or others at risk”, then a level 4 biohazard suit is about the only suitable attire – hardly reasonable to expect everyone to wear one, eh?

    As to the risk itself, it seems that Covid1984 has the effect of roughly doubling your chance of dying in the next 12 months – that’s approximate why most deaths are the elderly and infirm.

  84. Planning an illegal protest might be a conspiracy to commit an illegal act – ask those Australian terrorists that were arrested before they acted out their plot.

    Yep, a protest for freedom from tyrannical rule because “pandemic” same as planning to commit terrorism.
    GTFO collaborators.
    And stop apologising for the Gestapo. Just following orders. FFS
    Anyone still excusing VikPol is now an enemy of the revolution.

  85. Kneel

    “Yep, a protest for freedom from tyrannical rule because “pandemic” same as planning to commit terrorism.”

    Yeah, well look at the US –

    MSM and SJWs go spastic because lots of people turn up armed (many AR15’s – semi-auto SLR “assault weapon”) at a protest (just a one off) against lockdowns, but not even a single round discharged, no violence, no looting, no rioting.
    MSM: These are bad people who want to kill grannie – they must be stopped.

    BLM rioters destroy police cars, set fire to buildings, damage public statues, many times over period of months, call black police officers “nigger” to their face and MSM says “all good, just a protest, mostly peaceful” while building burns in background.
    MSM: These are good people with a worthy cause we must all support – they must be allowed to protest.

    BLM “protests” = good
    Anti-lockdown protests = bad
    Ramadan celebration in restaurant/park, people not observing social distancing, no masks = good
    Christian church service with people in their cars (like a drive-in theater) = bad
    Trump rally = bad

    Burn down local quicky-mart = immediate release, no bail
    Fail to wear mask = $500 on the spot fine

    Chicago/NYC/Minnesota : we will make it very hard for you to get a weapon, we’ll refuse any open or concealed carry permits, we’ll shut down gun shops, we’ll make ammunition hard to get = riots and violence for months.

    Florida: “Don’t try that here. The citizens here like their guns. I encourage them to own guns. And if someone tries to break in and set fire to your house, I encourage those citizens to blow them back out the door with those guns” = no riots, no violence.

    On the plus side –

    attempt to burn down federal court with people inside = charged with arson and attempted murder, federal prison on remand or $250k+ bail.

    damage federal statue = mandatory 10 years in gaol (DJT EO) if convicted (you’re on video posted to twitter and youtube doing it, you moron!)

  86. The BigBlueCat

    Tailgunner
    #3541021, posted on August 9, 2020 at 6:59 am

    Revolution? When? Why wasn’t I informed?

  87. The BigBlueCat

    Even surgical masks are ineffective for stopping a virus – they are designed for bacteria, which are much, much bigger things. Using a mask made of cotton etc is damn close to useless, and the additional protection afforded by wearing one in no way justifies a mandate to wear one – not even close. Frankly, it wouldn’t be hard to get a medical expert to agree that fishnet was not significantly different to cotton in this regard.

    It’s not about “stopping a virus”, it’s about reducing transmission. In that regard, masks can be effective is used correctly and social distancing is still practised. But we’ve had that discussion, Kneel – clearly it didn’t sink in.

    As to the risk itself, it seems that Covid1984 has the effect of roughly doubling your chance of dying in the next 12 months – that’s approximate why most deaths are the elderly and infirm.

    Seems appropriate to do something rather than nothing, doesn’t it?

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