Open Forum: August 8, 2020

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  1. calli

    Exhibit A. Dave in Marybrook’s comment at 8:57.

  2. MatrixTransform

    “The Gender Pay Gap”.

    it is all very reassuring that during these unprecedented times, for every dollar I’m losing, the missus is only losing 78 cents

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    Iran isn’t having a good summer.

    Oops! Iran Accidentally Scuttles Mock U.S. Carrier, Blocks Key Port Entrance (10 Aug)

    A wooden replica U.S. aircraft carrier attacked by Iran last month as part of a propaganda exercise appears to have capsized in the Strait of Hormuz, blocking a key shipping channel in the process.

    Satellite imagery from Aurora Intel published in a Forbes report reveals the carrier listing at roughly 90 degrees with the starboard side facing upwards.

    The capsized vessel was “listing steeply to one side, with nearly half of the flight deck submerged,” the report said.

    Be fun trying to move it out of the shipping channel in such shallow water. Maybe the IRGC should ask the Americans to blow it to smithereens for them.

  4. NoFixedAddress

    The definitive arbitors of the gender pay gap as supplied above

    https://www.etax.com.au/about-etax/our-people/

  5. johanna

    Bruce, the Texas explosion was awesome indeed, helps to comprehend what happened in Beirut.

    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’ – cultured, beautiful, peaceful, civilised.

    Another one bites the dust. 🙁

  6. Leigh Lowe

    “The Gender Pay Gap”.

    Mater.
    Be sure the boy includes “COWS” in his submission.

  7. calli

    But then nothing is quite the same as it was in the 70’s. 😊

  8. JC

    Indigenous Australians were lucky the Poms settled here.
    Not the French.
    Not the Spanish.
    The teaching of history lacks all context these days.
    So much framing of such a tiny snippet to fit within a narrative.

    The Belge even more so. These fuckers would have wiped them out in a couple of years.

  9. Farmer Gez

    331 cases and 19 deaths in Vic today.

    Pop the champagne corks!
    The economic patient is DOA.

  10. NoFixedAddress

    Is home schooling a viable alternative?

  11. twostix

    Elderly sisters Nota and Leigh up early again, old dears having their nice cup of tea and commencing day ten of their daily coping-mechanism hen pecking of free men in free Australia from inside the Victorian open air aged-care centre.

  12. 132andBush

    Both topics are real and verifiable.

    It continually amazes me that you portray yourself as a smart man.

  13. twostix

    Victorians are visibily declining. It really is extraordinary to watch in real time.

    I imagine we were all like them back in April but if everyone is a little batty who is normal? So nobody noticed.

    But now, it’s only one state and we witness the incredible strain take its toll in so many ways.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just realised how little I know about ruminants, and I bet I am not alone, thus:

    Ruminants eat rapidly, swallowing much of their feedstuffs without chewing it sufficiently. The esophagus functions bidirectionally in ruminants, allowing them to regurgitate their cud for further chewing, if necessary. The process of rumination or “chewing the cud” is where forage and other feedstuffs are forced back to the mouth for further chewing and mixing with saliva. This cud is then swallowed again and passed into the reticulum. Then the solid portion slowly moves into the rumen for fermentation, while most of the liquid portion rapidly moves from the reticulorumen into the omasum and then abomasum. The solid portion left behind in the rumen typically remains for up to 48 hours and forms a dense mat in the rumen, where microbes can use the fibrous feedstuffs to make precursors for energy.

    True ruminants, such as cattle, sheep, goats, deer, and antelope, have one stomach with four compartments: the rumen, reticulum, omasum, and abomasums. The ruminant stomach occupies almost 75 percent of the abdominal cavity, filling nearly all of the left side and extending significantly into the right side. The relative size of the four compartments is as follows: the rumen and reticulum comprise 84 percent of the volume of the total stomach, the omasum 12 percent, and the abomasum 4 percent. The rumen is the largest stomach compartment, holding up to 40 gallons in a mature cow.

    In contrast to the feed requirements of ruminants, horses are ‘spot feeders’ who can do better on the steppes, hence they dominated over cattle there, and led to the horse-riding cultures of those who invaded the Roman empire. Horses have a very different intestinal architecture to cattle:

    Before delving too deeply into the differences in ruminant and non-ruminant herbivores, perhaps we should give an overview of how a horse grazes and what happens to the forage once it enters the digestive system. A typical 1000 lb horse will graze approximately 12-18 hours/day. Horses are spot grazers, they have specialized mouths to select and eat the tops of the plants that they like. They rarely graze in “rough areas” or areas where they defecate. Because of the selective behavior, horses have a reputation as rough and detrimental on pastures and forage species. This reputation is not entirely undeserved.

    Horse chewing movement is both lateral and vertical. From the mouth, the forage travels down the esophagus. The esophagus has one-way peristaltic action which means that horses cannot regurgitate their food and therefore can’t “chew their cud.” They also cannot burp or pass gas through their esophagus.

    From the esophagus, forage travels to the stomach. A horse’s stomach is approximately 4 gallons and is the smallest in relation to its size of any other livestock species. The stomach secretes hydrochloric acid (HCL) and specific enzymes. Production of HCL is continuous and can contribute to ulcers in horses who are not fed properly. Remember, horses are designed to graze 12-18 hours a day! In the small intestine, some nutrients are absorbed and bile is secreted directly from the liver into the first part of the small intestine. The continuous production of HCL and the way that bile is secreted into the small intestine make it necessary for horses to consume small meals several times a day.

    The horse’s large intestine accounts for 60% of the total volume of the digestive tract. The cecum contains active bacteria similar to the microbes of the rumen. Bacterial breakdown of cellulose and other carbohydrates result in the production of volatile fatty acids (VFAs). VFAs are a source of energy similar to glucose and other sugars. The small colon is the primary site of water absorption and the rectum is where manure is expelled.Several of these attributes add up to making horses susceptible to digestive upsets. For example, the inability to regurgitate food or gas, means that everything must be expelled through the rear of the animal. This can result in gas colic, or impaction colic as sometimes the material has a LONG way to travel before exiting the animal. Moldy hay is more likely to cause issues in horses. Since the equine digestive system doesn’t have a lot of muscular contractions, adequate water is essential to keep things moving through the tract. Again, this can result in impactions and digestive issues if there is not enough fluid available.

    However, the speed at which food moves through the digestive tract, makes non-ruminant herbivores more likely to be “easy keepers” than most ruminants. They can move a larger volume of feed through their systems and extract the nutrients more rapidly. In addition, there is some research to suggest that horses handle high nitrates in forages better than ruminants due to the physical makeup of their digestive system.

    There are limitations and benefits to the equine digestive system. As long as one keeps in mind the anatomy of the horse and how they were designed to eat, the pitfalls long associated with feeding horses can be minimized.

    Here endeth the lesson on ruminants vs non-ruminants. Test will be next week. 🙂

  15. Cassie of Sydney

    “The Belge even more so. These fuckers would have wiped them out in a couple of years.”

    The Arabs would have enslaved ALL of them.

  16. feelthebern

    Did anyone buy Smith & Wesson @ 5.52 earlier this year?
    Realistically, you could have bought as much as you wanted at 6 bucks in March.
    You could have sold the lot at 26 bucks this week.
    Where’s my Delorean?

  17. mh

    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’ – cultured, beautiful, peaceful, civilised.

    South?

  18. Makka

    Thinking of having something to say to the teachers.

    Thoughts?

    Mater,

    It can never hurt to have chat with the school.

  19. MatrixTransform

    STEM must be abolished.

    I thought it had been already

    STEM has become STEAM at least it has in a particular school I know about

    … A for Arts

    that some pretty hard Dance yr doing there.
    Have you thought of aiming for the job of Premier?

  20. notafan

    Another beautiful day

    Another sad little post from twistedknickers

  21. feelthebern

    331 cases and 19 deaths in Vic today.

    When will the treatment history of all 19 be released?
    No need to release names.
    Just the entire COVID19 history of each patient.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As animal welfare and behaviour is a theme this morning, we should also know that unusual caging and penning of chooks does cause a lot of seriously damaging pecking. White leghorns are known for it. I had white leghorns when I was thirteen, and had to separate out some from the worst peckers in the hierarchy. One of them was so seriously damaged in the rear end he died. Very sad it was. One of life’s lessons.

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    I bet I am not alone

    You are not alone Lizzie! That was interesting. I’ve never read much animal husbandry or vet science.

  24. thefrollickingmole

    Herodotus
    #3543349, posted on August 11, 2020 at 7:14 am
    The most devastating takedown of lockdown I’ve read so far. Perhaps it should be included in Coronavirus Info.
    Good article, well worth a read,.

    The White house shooting.
    Corn Pops???

    If you really want the kid to be marked with a scarlet “R” (for Rand) then get him to print out this little comic and attach it to his essay.

    https://fee.org/articles/how-saving-grows-the-economy-explained-with-comics/

    And a youtube version.

  25. Struth

    Yes Frank, standard grade class clown teenage reply.
    You’ve got nothing except animosity for being called out.

    So is there ever a time for push back?
    When does that time arrive for you?

    Do you believe you can protest against the left without being called names, without being classified as an evil nazi nutter, no matter who you associate with?

    People here believe you are working for the Federal Libs to keep anyone from organising anything.
    I thought that was stupid, you were just a coward hitting out at the realists.
    Not so sure now.

    Would you ever join an armed resistance to regain your freedom if it came to it?

  26. mc

    Mater from 8.05
    re Gender Pay Gap.

    Depending on the school it might be worth talking to the headmaster/principal. My experience has been that if it is a decent school (and a decent headmaster) the headmaster appreciates the feedback from parents to use as support for getting rid of rubbish in the curriculum. If it is not a decent school then move the kids to a better one. If I had my time again, I would have moved my kids on earlier.

  27. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3543505, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:11 am
    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’ – cultured, beautiful, peaceful, civilised.

    South?”

    East…it was called the “Paris of the East”.

  28. twostix

    Normal people on the outside looking into an abusive relationship:

    “You’ve got to get out, he’s going crazy he’s going to hurt you!”

    Victorian abuse victims:

    “Careful! He might hear you!”

    “It’s another beautiful day, everything is fine, no I’m not allowed out of the house today he says it’s for my own good…he’s right!”

    You’re the one who’s crazy!”

    “Stop speaking about it, leave me alone or I’m going to call the police on you!”

    Classic case of abuse victim mentality.

  29. mh

    President Trump on Monday was abruptly escorted away from the White House briefing room just a few minutes after taking the podium for a press briefing, but quickly returned to tell reporters, “There was a shooting outside of the White House.”

    Describing what he knew about the situation, the president said it “seems” an armed person was shot by Secret Service and had been taken to the hospital. Trump said no one else was injured.

    “It seems that the shooting was done by law enforcement,” he said.

  30. notafan

    Except we don’t

    Stay in our houses.

    Ranters rant and sensible people do as they please.

    Notwithstanding the external limits of most businesses bring shut.

  31. Cassie of Sydney

    “People here believe you are working for the Federal Libs to keep anyone from organising anything.
    I thought that was stupid, you were just a coward hitting out at the realists.
    Not so sure now.

    Would you ever join an armed resistance to regain your freedom if it came to it?”

    What people here? I don’t. I find some conspiracies entertaining…this is not one of them.

  32. johanna

    feelthebern
    #3543477, posted on August 11, 2020 at 8:54 am

    Indigenous Australians were lucky the Poms settled here.
    Not the French.
    Not the Spanish.
    The teaching of history lacks all context these days.
    So much framing of such a tiny snippet to fit within a narrative.

    If only it had been the Dutch. Dirk Hartog, etc.

    They would have whipped those bleckies into shape quick smart. 🙂

    Actually, as a Dutchie myself, I do wonder what would have happened. In Africa, they created the only viable country apart from Rhodesia. But the real win was Indonesia, an impossible coalition of hundreds of islands and languages and cultures. FMD, our politicians who whine about keeping the Federation together wouldn’t last 30 seconds in Indonesia. The same goes for India.

    Colonists like the Brits and the Dutch came from a clear worldview and set of objectives, none of which included genocide. They did include economic and other practical objectives.

    Those who prattle on about evil colonialism fail to remember that the Dutch were in South Africa and Indonesia for 400 years – a lot longer than Australia’s settled history. One dreads to think what Indonesia would be like without colonialism. Probably a bunch of impoverished islands where literacy is not even a concept, high infant/child mortality and the Chicoms circling.

  33. Tom

    Post the 2020 election, I can see twitter crawling up its own arse & dying.

    Correct — unfortunately. Twitter is a brilliant piece piece of software that is unbeatable, for example, in sharing and proliferating online content.

    However, it was designed and it still staffed by fascist, sociopathic coders who think anyone who disagrees with them should be banned — and they are. And that’s the end of a great idea that should have a great future, but doesn’t because of the human trash that controls it, from Dorsey down.

    I have two Twitter accounts I no longer use because it’s a sewer. Such a shame.

    PS: be careful what you wish for. Do you think his Doomlordship should ban pseudonymous accounts at the Cat? That would be me out of here.

    Anonymity isn’t the problem at Twitter. The problem is that Twitter is controlled by people who hate freedom — for everyone else.

  34. Struth

    Another beautiful day

    Another sad little post from twistedknickers

    Oh yes I know Notafan, he’s not nice at all, dear.
    Here love, you keep looking out the window, …”it’s a lovely day isn’t it?”
    Yes it is lovely dear, now sit back and relax, we’ll just wipe that little dribble on your chin there, that’s better.
    “It’s a lovely d……………………….” yes dear, we know it’s a lovely day

    Just sit there and I’ll bring you a nice cuppa……………
    “it’s a lovely………………..Yes it’s a lovely day dear…………..
    It’s a lovely dayisn’t it? Yes Nota, it’s a lovely day dear.

  35. Tintarella di Luna

    Anonymity isn’t the problem at Twitter. The problem is that Twitter is controlled by people who hate freedom — for everyone else.

    Bingo!

  36. Bushkid

    rickw
    #3543178, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:12 pm
    Dan is a dead man walking.

    He is.

    However, he’s probably going to be like most of our “best and brightest”, some sort of unflushable public turd.

    We need to makes sure he is out of the system for good.

    Career suggestions for Dans next job please, and no demeaning our fine Garbo’s and Cleaners in the process!

    Diversity bollard?

  37. Cassie of Sydney

    “However, it was designed and it still staffed by fascist, sociopathic coders who think anyone who disagrees with them should be banned — and they are. And that’s the end of a great idea that should have a great future, but doesn’t because of the human trash that controls it, from Dorsey down”

    Well said Tom.

  38. notafan

    Re deaths in Victoria.

    St Basils alone had over 150 positive cases.

    Knox private hospital is now a covid19 hospital.

    Though hospice might be a more appropriate description.

    If you are only offering palliative care people are going to die.

    I don’t know how those decisions are being made.

    Stands to reason as most people only go into nursing homes when they can’t manage at home.

    Wheelchair and walking frames.

    Dan is cagey about details.

    Coronial enquiry into St Basils

  39. Herodotus

    Melbourne was rated “the most liveable city”, almost the Paris of the South – then it became the Caracas of the South. For much the same reason as in Venezuela.

  40. Des Deskperson

    ‘The Belge even more so. These fuckers would have wiped them out in a couple of years.’

    To be fair, the Congo Free State was Leopold II’s own private fiefdom, staffed by mercenaries and the dregs of Belgian society, the likes of Conrad’s Kyerts and Carlier. .

    When the Belgian government took over in, IIRC, 1906 it set up a regime that has been described as almost cloyingly paternalistic.

  41. notafan

    Your stand up routine needs work.

    I’d stick to talking about thinking about running for parliament if I were you.

  42. Dr Faustus

    I think Dr Fautus was conflating prepared ANFO paste with the prilled ammonium nitrate in the bags. NH4NO3 is indefinitely stable in a sealed jar on a lab shelf, there’s no issue with its storage …

    No conflation. AN prill and ANFO prill both ‘cake’ and deteriorate fairly quickly in prolonged storage – particularly when not stored under controlled conditions. In both cases, AN becomes much less sensitive to detonation when the prill structure breaks down.

    It’s a significant commercial/technical issue with an extensive literature.

    Whatever happens in jars on a lab shelf, storing the stuff in IBC s, in a shed, on a wharf, for 7 years is not a recognised way of keeping it in tippy top condition.

  43. mh

    Melbourne was rated “the most liveable city”, almost the Paris of the South – then it became the Caracas of the South.

    😆

  44. 132andBush

    Re deaths in Victoria

    St Basils alone had over 150 positive cases.

    And we’re still not using HCQ.

    Is there any reporter with the guts to hold up that graph comparing the death rates between countries using it and those not?

  45. Roger

    Freddie Sayers has posted informative videos of discussions with epidemiologists at Unherd over the last several months, including with Andres Tegnall, the architect of the Swedish response.

    In ‘What can we learn from the Swedish paradox?’ he outlines the cultural attitudes that underpinned their response.

  46. johanna

    calli, love the Status Quo clip.

    A while back, I linked a live concert of theirs – thrilling and note perfect.

    The snobberati in the music press aways hated them and AC/DC, because it was so simple – anyone could do it.

    Except, they couldn’t. The art of art is making the difficult look easy.

  47. Struth

    Is there any reporter with the guts to hold up that graph comparing the death rates between countries using it and those not?

    It’s not about guts.
    They don’t want to ask.

  48. incoherent rambler

    Ideal still and quiet morning in Dannograd,

    to start a chainsaw.

  49. Frank

    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’

    Dog shit everywhere and men pissing on the streets?

  50. calli

    Mh may have been confusing Beirut with Melbourne.

  51. Makka

    331 cases and 19 deaths in Vic today.

    Deaths with covid or from covid?

  52. woolfe

    A lot of Karens still think Melbourne is the most liveable city.

    The shitest city in Australia is Perth. Ugly women, stupid drivers, crap beaches, rubbish fishing, 70c in summer and -50 in winter, shit beer and wine, shark attacks on land and sea. Victorians, stay away.

  53. 132andBush

    It’s not about guts.
    They don’t want to ask.

    I suppose not.
    They are the primary cause of this hysteria after all.

  54. notafan

    Deaths with flu or from flu?

  55. Frank

    woolfe,

    Perth has many faults but ugly women is not one of them. The place is packed with hotties.

  56. mh

    Mh may have been confusing Beirut with Melbourne.

    And you’re confusing me with Johanna.

  57. Tom

    First laugh out loud for the day, woolfe at 9.39am.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    In both cases, AN becomes much less sensitive to detonation when the prill structure breaks down.

    That I agree with Faustus. But that isn’t very relevant in this case because Hezbollah would be mixing the ANFO by hand, and they are explosives experts. The porosity of the prill structure makes it easier to handle, transport and blend. But simply grinding it to bug dust then mixing it into paste in a cement mixer or somesuch is a practical alternative for Hezbie orcs with an eye on the 72 virgins.

  59. notafan

    It makes little difference.

    Vulnerable people with hastened deaths because Dan not only let the covid19 rat out of the quarantine bag he sent it scampering straight into the very places it should not have gone.

    Is it 80 affected nursing homes?

    You’d almost think it was deliberately done.

    Meanwhile everyone must suffer his consequences.

  60. johanna

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3543518, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:19 am

    “mh
    #3543505, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:11 am
    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’ – cultured, beautiful, peaceful, civilised.

    South?”

    East…it was called the “Paris of the East”.

    Aplogies, and thanks Cassie.

    If you watch old movies that include Beirut, it was regarded as a jool of high civilisation. What a tragedy.

  61. johanna

    twostix
    #3543521, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:20 am

    Normal people on the outside looking into an abusive relationship:

    “You’ve got to get out, he’s going crazy he’s going to hurt you!”

    Victorian abuse victims:

    “Careful! He might hear you!”

    “It’s another beautiful day, everything is fine, no I’m not allowed out of the house today he says it’s for my own good…he’s right!”

    “You’re the one who’s crazy!”

    “Stop speaking about it, leave me alone or I’m going to call the police on you!”

    Classic case of abuse victim mentality.

    Spot on, twostix.

    Can we say ‘cognitive dissonance’ children?

  62. Roger

    A while back, I linked a live concert of theirs – thrilling and note perfect.

    CCR were the same live – just like listening to one of their records.

    Boring!

    The Grateful Dead at their peak are the greatest live rock band of all time – each song was played differently each time they performed it. Their understanding of music theory was such that they could freely improvise and not be indulgent (well, most of the time!), just like the great jazz musicians they admired.

  63. notafan

    And Dan’s comment at the end.

    Clearly you can do too much and too little at the same time.

  64. Diogenes

    STEM has become STEAM at least it has in a particular school I know about

    … A for Arts

    Otherwise known as a rounded education (less English & Humanities)

  65. Dr Faustus

    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’

    In 50 Years Later news:

    Paris, the Beirut of the North.

  66. feelthebern

    Anonymity isn’t the problem at Twitter. The problem is that Twitter is controlled by people who hate freedom — for everyone else.

    Well said Tom.

  67. Anne

    Victoria is a Police State!

    These pathetic cops are drunk on power.

    Nine bloody cops to arrest one woman for not wearing a mask.

    A MASK, a symbol of oppression that does nothing but signify obedience.

    Why is it only women they’re taking down?

    I’d like to see them take down a couple of burley men.

    Damn cowards.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2340272986278569&id=100008876711059

  68. incoherent rambler

    ANFO.
    Information from my memory from long ago.
    Good blasting explosive because:
    1. Needs serious detonation to make it go boom. So safely trucked in open cut mines.
    2. Complete combustion. No bits that will go boom will be left around for some sucker with a drill.

    Or is my memory confusing it with another explosive?

  69. calli

    And you’re confusing me with Johanna.

    Sorry. Coffee time. And no more lame jokes. I promises.

  70. notafan

    Really

    That’s the takeaway from tales from my imagination.

    What are you suggesting we do other than make the best of it and let our displeasure be known via political means?

    Should we start a civil war?

    Urgers first, if you please.

    Victorians

    Forbidden from making jokes by the cat stasi.

  71. Dr Faustus

    STEM has become STEAM at least it has in a particular school I know about
    … A for Arts

    The Calculus in interpretive dance.
    Avoid bridges in 10 years time…

  72. Bruce of Newcastle

    A lot of Karens still think Melbourne is the most liveable city.

    Don Surber has a good article today on New York City that illuminates the future of Melbourne – which has tended to be our local business capital.

    Democrat death wish explained (10 Aug)

    Get comfortable. This is a long piece.

    Reynolds reacted to Steve Cuozzo’s column, “NYC will die if we don’t allow indoor dining in Midtown ASAP,” and to Michael Goodwin’s column, “There’s no masking Mayor Bill de Blasio’s apathy for NYC.”

    Both ran in the New York Post.

    Cuozzo is the only newspaperman who understands New York real estate, both in terms of who builds it and who lives in it. He predicts the city will crater because restaurants are shuttered even though the governor and mayor have allowed other businesses to resume work.

    Cuozzo wrote, “I know of no poll that asks employees how important restaurants are in deciding whether to return to their offices. But they matter at least as much as subways. I’ve worked in central Midtown for 25 years and I’ve written about restaurants for 20 years. I also know the office market, the prime mover of the city’s and state’s economy. And, as much as I miss the camaraderie of my office at 1211 Sixth Avenue, I won’t go back as long as Midtown remains a restaurant graveyard.

    RTWT. The destruction of the food & bar culture in inner cities like Melbourne and NYC, coupled with the increasing realization that working from home is feasible and has quite a few advantages, and suddenly the suburbs and the quarter-acre block start to look very yummy. Provided there’s good broadband of course.

  73. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Defence to probe special forces’ cultural and leadership flaws

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    5:56AM August 11, 2020
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    The Defence Force has asked an independent expert to examine cultural and leadership failings involving Australia’s special forces ahead of a war crimes report on dozens of alleged murders of prisoners and civilians by the elite units in Afghanistan.

    The study will look at the ethical standards and command culture of the secretive Special Air Service and Commando regiments from 1999 to the present day, with a focus on their deployment to Afghanistan in the war against al-Qa’ida and the Taliban.

    The Australian can reveal that Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell has commissioned former naval officer and Anglican bishop Tom Frame to undertake the study, to be released in mid-2022.

    The move comes as the government prepares for the release of a report by the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force into at least 55 alleged breaches of the laws of war by Australian personnel during the nation’s 13-year on-the-ground commitment in Afghanistan.

    The alleged crimes are expected to include the killing of unarmed men and children, and the mistreatment and execution of Taliban prisoners who posed no threat to their captors.

    The IGADF report, by NSW Supreme Court judge Major General Paul Brereton, will rock the nation’s military establishment and tarnish community perceptions of the nation’s most revered warriors.
    READ MORE:PM’s plea to Trump over Diggers’ killer|Diggers’ rogue killer to walk free|Afghan probe findings ‘uncomfortable’|Insults sharpened to a battle tactic

    Professor Frame, a respected military historian with the University of NSW, will examine the wider context of the alleged crimes, including actions of senior ADF leaders and Australia’s military strategy in Afghanistan.

    His study will be used as a basis for further reforms to the SAS and Commando regiments, and in planning military operations.

    One former SAS officer spoken to by The Australian on condition of anonymity said by 2010, special forces operators on the ground in Afghanistan had lost faith in the strategy and “the whole thing was just starting to unravel”.

    He said mentally ill soldiers were regularly sent on to the battlefield, and commanders -allowed a culture where lower ranked soldiers became more influential than their officers. “You’ve got guys doing six or seven tours. Think about what that does — six or seven tours with heavy combat,” the officer said.

    He said “wild swings in roles and strategy” also took their toll, along with the intensity of the fighting.

    “All these things led to a culture and an environment where I think there was a degree of impunity,” he said.

    “The only thing that was important to us was our own tribe. We didn’t trust anyone. We didn’t think necessarily we were being supported by some of the leadership.”

    Another former SAS officer, Liberal MP Andrew Hastie, said the Australian people needed an explanation of the war in Afghanistan that went beyond individual cases of wrongdoing.

    “My hope is Professor Frame will be asking tough questions not only about our military institutions, leadership and strategy but also about human nature,” he said. “We need to ask ‘How do we find ourselves in this dark place?’ ”

    From the Oz.

  74. Eyrie

    A for Arts

    Arts is just a goddamn hobby.

  75. Eyrie

    Why in hell did we ever send troops to Afghanistan?

  76. woolfe

    ir,
    ANFO has a % of fuel added to AN( NH4NO3} to make it an explosive. NH4NO3 is classified as an oxidising ageng not an explosive.

    By the way NH4NO3 is made in Perth, Perth could detonate at any moment. Victorians, stay away.

  77. Maj

    Going after the Employers of Illegal Aliens

    One year ago, ICE raided multiple chicken plants in Mississippi, arresting hundreds of illegal aliens. Dozens of them have been convicted of various federal crimes, such as identity theft and document fraud.

    But what about their employers? Simply arresting a bunch of illegals, and leaving it at that, is both unjust and ineffective. Unjust because it lets the other participant in the criminal transaction off the hook, and ineffective because employers can just hire another batch of illegal aliens and essentially write off the disruption as a cost of doing business.

    That’s why it was so encouraging that ICE has just announced the first indictments against managers at some of the Mississippi chicken plants. Four people at two of the plants have been charged with a variety of crimes, including harboring illegal aliens, wire fraud, identity theft, and more. All four could potentially spend the rest of their lives in prison.

    The reason it took a year to see these indictments (more of which will be forthcoming, I hope) is that, while knowingly employing illegal aliens is illegal, it’s hard to prove because of the word “knowingly.” It takes a long time to build a case that can stick, because there’s a lot of nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say-no-more in the hiring of illegals, providing legal deniability to the companies that employ them. Tysons was acquitted in a 2003 case because, while the lower-level managers were indisputably guilty, top corporate management had enough buffers between it and the button men in the field that it was able to beat the rap.

    But by arresting and charging the illegals themselves, prosecutors gain leverage, and are able to offer leniency if the illegal workers rat out their managers. It’s similar to going after a narcotics organization — you want to get the dealers off the street, of course, but you also want to work your way up the chain. We’ll have to see whether this week’s indictments lead to charges against more senior management as well.

    We saw this process at work at the Agriprocessors beef plant in Iowa, which was raided by ICE in 2008. Prior to that, state and federal regulators had persistent reports of abuses — related not only to immigration but also to wages, safety, animal cruelty, etc. — but never had enough evidence to act. Only when the ICE raid arrested nearly 400 illegal aliens, about 300 of whom ended up sentenced on felony charges, did the evidence start pouring in. Much of the management was charged with a variety of crimes, including harboring illegal aliens, child labor, ID theft, document fraud, bank fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, and more. Sholom Rubashkin, son of the owner and the plant’s day-to-day boss, was sentenced to 27 years in prison (though, appallingly, a bipartisan push in Congress persuaded President Trump to commute his sentence after serving only about eight years).

    There’s also a bureaucratic reason for the relative lack of effective worksite enforcement. As its name suggests, ICE has two divisions, roughly corresponding to immigration and customs. The first is Enforcement and Removal Operations, which detains and deports illegal aliens. The other is Homeland Security Investigations, which focuses on customs matters, such as counterfeit Gucci handbags and smuggling of exotic animals. Unfortunately, HSI is also in charge of worksite immigration enforcement, in which it has little interest. In fact, the Gucci handbag crowd wrote to then Secretary Nielsen in 2018 asking to be separated from ICE and freed of icky immigration responsibilities. So it’s essential that the bureaucratic structure itself be modified to reflect a commitment to worksite enforcement.

    But even a few criminal convictions serve as an example. The fact that HR managers are facing decades in prison is sure to be featured prominently in HR newsletters, seminars, training materials, and the like. And, in fact, some meatpackers have taken steps to distance themselves from illegal labor. For example, Tysons (perhaps motivated by its close call in 2003) has been investing heavily in automation.

    Other meatpackers have opted to continue labor-intensive operations but sourced legal labor elsewhere, specifically from federally funded refugee-resettlement contractors — including Catholic Charities, the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society — that direct desperate Congolese, Burmese, and Somalis into their factories. That’s why Big Meat, which wouldn’t at first blush seem to be an obvious stakeholder in refugee policy, has objected to Trump administration reductions in resettlement.

    The single most important step in ensuring that legal status becomes a broadly accepted labor standard (like child labor rules, for instance) is mandatory E-Verify, backed by routine audits and stiff penalties for non-compliance. Backsliding is always possible (as we’ve seen with the lamentable history of worksite immigration enforcement), but the more routinized and embedded it becomes, the harder it will be for some future administration to give the green light to employers to return to hiring illegal aliens.

    Now we can add “Big Meat” to the Deep State cabal.

  78. Makka

    What are you suggesting we do other than make the best of it and let our displeasure be known via political means?

    Why, we must listen to the wise words of fashionable dickheads like stix and johanna of course. Bow to their soaring intellect.

  79. Diogenes

    My youngest (Grade 5) just came to see my about the subject of study for this week…“The Gender Pay Gap”.

    Now I’m seeking opinion here as to whether people think this is appropriate primary school subject for an eleven year old.

    Ask the teacher, a simple question “which particular syllabus outcomes and supporting ‘dot’ points out of those syllabuses are being covered by this topic?”. If they cannot respond, then escalate

  80. Roger

    Why in hell did we ever send troops to Afghanistan?

    Another one of John Howard’s brilliant decisions.

    Creative interpretation of the ANZUS Treaty.

  81. lotocoti

    Poor old Ray-Ray still believes aged care residents are there to get better.

  82. 1735099

    Perhaps I’ll give him my Service Record.

    Make sure you give him/her the right one.
    You claim to have two regimental numbers.
    Anything is possible…..

  83. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry. Coffee time. And no more lame jokes. I promises.

    Yes.
    No lame jokes.
    We’ve got one amputee, one DVT and others without a leg to stand on.

  84. NoFixedAddress

    Dr Faustus
    #3543579, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:50 am

    I remember when Beirut was called ‘the Paris of the south’

    In 50 Years Later news:

    Paris, the Beirut of the North.

    This is sickening..

    The Reverse-Colonization of France

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16327/france-colonization

  85. MatrixTransform

    and suddenly the suburbs and the quarter-acre block start to look very yummy.

    we choose to take our ‘hour in the yard’ down the beach.
    of course we take 2 cars and park in the ColesWorth carpark … to confuse the stasi

    most walks involve a lot of photos because that is The Crazy Old Mole’s superpower
    many photos get onto FascistBook and few I may post here from time to time.

    The Oohs and Aaahs from the cloistered in the missus’ chat-world are full of envy.
    I’ve overheard several zoomy meetings that extend to jealousy, luck, envy and hate … because.

    one woman just laments … all I want is a balcony.

  86. calli

    Reading Lee Child’s “Gone Tomorrow” right now. Probably his weakest Reacher.

    But I was suckered in by this:

    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.

    Howard should have memorised his Kipling.

  87. mh

    Anne
    #3543581, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:51 am

    I would expect to see that in Beirut or Caracas, not Melbourne.

  88. MatrixTransform

    Perth could detonate at any moment. Victorians, stay away.

    I see through your ruse …

    isn’t it -50C over there at the moment?

  89. MatrixTransform

    Anything is possible …

    I wish

  90. johanna

    Grateful Dead noodling never got me, except for a few minutes of their hundreds of hours.

    In 1975, I went to a concert at the Oakland Stadium featuring the Dead and The Who. Two completely different crowds. The Who were on first, they were great. When they finished, half the crowd (including me) left.

    Like many rock singers, Roger Daltrey is tiny. Same goes for a lot of actors.

    Make of that what you will.

  91. incoherent rambler

    Why in hell did we ever send troops to Afghanistan?

    Why in hell did we ever send troops to Dannograd?

    Sane answer I suspect.

  92. Roger

    In 1975, I went to a concert at the Oakland Stadium featuring the Dead and The Who.

    Heh…I know a bloke who went to the same concert to see The Who; left it a Dead Head.

  93. incoherent rambler

    Someone needs to squeeze that zit* on Dan’s shoulder. It has grown to an unhealthy size.

    Could be a carbuncle.

  94. johanna

    Here are the old farts Status Quo live last year in London’s Hyde Park.

    Gotta admire the dedication to getting it right, as opposed to trying your hardest.

    This isn’t the concert I mentioned earlier, which seems to have zoomed down in the ratings at youtube. Will dig around for it.

  95. Mater

    Perhaps I’ll give him my Service Record.

    Make sure you give him/her the right one.
    You claim to have two regimental numbers.
    Anything is possible…..

    First, I didn’t claim to have two “Regimental Numbers”. I said I have two numbers by which the military identify me.
    Because you’re ignorant of most things military, I’ll let you in on a secret. The Australian Army transitioned away from Regimental Numbers, and issued everyone a new PM Keys number. I have one of each.

    So yes, I guess anything is possible. You may even be right one day.

  96. twostix

    Andrew Bolt’s in an open war with Scott Morrison I see. ..

    On The Bolt Report on Sky at 7pm: Prime Minister Scott Morrison today attacked my alleged views on the virus and the aged as “hideous” and “amoral”. Tonight I’ll respond to his grotesque smear – and show why he himself has hideously failed to protect the aged or let Australians use a potentially life-saving drug.

    Bolt effortly smashes Morrison’s face in using the weapons Daniel Andrews made available to everyone re Aged Care homes last week.

    Oops.

    Morrison you bumbling idiot! Nobody wants a fat half bald happy clappy “dad” in charge of the commonwealth at a time like this!

  97. dover_beach

    PROGRESS INTO THE ABYSS:

    Since the beginning of cinema, classic rom-coms have followed a set pattern of plot development: A female and a male with seemingly incompatible views or personalities are introduced; some situation throws them together and sparks fly; and then a number of problems, whether external or psychological, threaten to keep the characters apart. Eventually, the two resolve their issues and unite, and the viewer is happy with the resolution. In classic movies like An Affair to Remember, When Harry Met Sally, and Pretty Woman, successful rom-com writers and directors used this basic structure, creatively modifying each step to keep it fresh.

    Unorthodox and The Awakening of Motti Wolkenbruch do away with the usual rom-com structure in favor of a conclusion proclaiming “existential freedom,” or what Sartre proudly termed “Nothingness.” The romantic journeys of the past, with their happy endings, have been supplanted by journeys that lead to loveless, passionless experiences—and end with ambiguity or emptiness.

    RTWT. Excellent take on this cultural poison.

  98. johanna

    Latest scientific news on ‘climate change, via TheirABC:

    Kimberley Reid is a scientist from the University of Melbourne and expert in atmospheric rivers.

    “They look like giant rivers in the sky,” she said.

    Ms Reid estimated the northwest cloud band off WA is transporting more than two Amazon rivers worth of water over the state.

    “That’s about 660 Murray Rivers,” she said.

    Ms Reid has studied more than 30 years of records of northwest cloud bands, and discovered they are occurring more frequently than in the past.

    “Global studies have shown that atmospheric rivers are likely to increase in both frequency and intensity with climate change,” she said.

    “We found that since about the mid-1980s, there’s been an increase in northwest cloud bands of about one per year, over about 30 years.”

    Ms Reid said atmospheric rivers are much better known overseas.

    Stupid girl. The important measure is – how many Sydney Harbours?

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fun observation:

    Media: If Trump Loses, We’re Dead (Daniel Greenfield, 10 Aug)

    The headline doesn’t quite capture the essence, which is that NYT, WaPo and CNN only survive because of Trump. And if Trump loses they’re toast. Yet they must oppose Trump with every fibre in their being WHILE hoping he wins. Must be horrible to play Catch 22 for your own survival.

  100. Dr Faustus

    Andrews outs the bastards who released the Rona from hotel quarantine:

    Then the Victorian crisis council approved a set of arrangements and that were implemented and “delivered by officials and others at a very local level“.

    Step 1: Spin the bottle to pick the “very local” officials and others who fully deserve vilification and ignominy and never to be re-elected ever again.

    Step 2: “Look, I don’t want to get into a blame game, these people were doing their best under difficult circumstances…”

  101. Maj

    Andrew Bolt’s in an open war with Scott Morrison I see. ..

    On The Bolt Report on Sky at 7pm: Prime Minister Scott Morrison today attacked my alleged views on the virus and the aged as “hideous” and “amoral”. Tonight I’ll respond to his grotesque smear – and show why he himself has hideously failed to protect the aged or let Australians use a potentially life-saving drug.

    Bolt effortly smashes Morrison’s face in using the weapons Daniel Andrews made available to everyone re Aged Care homes last week.

    Oops.

    Morrison you bumbling idiot! Nobody wants a fat half bald happy clappy “dad” in charge of the commonwealth at a time like this!

    Got him good, with both barrels.

  102. feelthebern

    Jenna Price runs interference for Disco Dan in today’s smh.
    Says politicians need a break after being under so much pressure.
    What about the pressure small business is under Jenna?
    Can’t remember her writing about them.

  103. DavidH

    Has the Cat discussed why Sydney continues to have water restrictions at all (currently at level 1) given the recent rains. With today’s update, greater Sydney storage went from 89.9% to 94.9%. I’d like to be able to pressure clean some surfaces with ages of built-up grime, but (since it’s only for aesthetic, not health/safety reasons) I’d be subject to a fine if I did so. I can’t find any information on what the trigger levels are for lifting of restrictions. All I was able to find was something like “we may go back into drought so we’re keeping restrictions on”. At least the radio ads telling us to have less than 1/2 a shower have stopped.

  104. Bruce of Newcastle

    Another marvelous red-pill article from Caroline Glick:

    Riots and Protests from Portland to Jerusalem (10 Aug)

  105. rickw

    Victorians are visibily declining. It really is extraordinary to watch in real time.

    I agree, I walk tall and straight down the street sans mask, everyone else is hunched over with their mask looking up at me half scowling, half jealous, now to mentally defeated to even bother attempting to Karen me.

  106. William the Conjuror

    Teddy Sheean.

    Acted heroically, but originally not considered sufficient to warrant a Victoria Cross. That view confirmed at inquiries in 2013 and 2017 and strongly supported by Scomo. Further agitation by family in electorally significant Bass and Braddon results in appointment by Scomo of panel to reconsider, headed by former Liberal leader. Hey presto, new evidence is found to support awarding of Victoria Cross, viz. wrong form used by Navy at original consideration, plus a couple of other matters not specified at the announcement(polling results in Bass and Braddon?). New recommendation immediately agreed to by Scomo.

    Politically convenient and poorly arrived at.

  107. jo

    Daughter produced our first grandchild, a son. Other two sons aren’t married , soon to be and are talking of future children. They are all hard working kind, generous and actually do things. Obviously don’t take after myself.

  108. Dr Faustus

    Meanwhile, Queensland bravely struggles to regain the Envy of the World Trophy in time for the election:

    “Until recently, Queensland had been the envy of the world with 63 straight days of zero community transmission,” Mr Miles said.

    “Despite challenges in the last few weeks, Queensland remains on top of COVID-19.”

    Palacechook: just like Jacinda, but with smaller teeth and a face made out of PlayDoh by a five year old.

  109. thefrollickingmole

    woolfe
    #3543558, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:39 am
    A lot of Karens still think Melbourne is the most liveable city.

    The shitest city in Australia is Perth. Ugly women, stupid drivers, crap beaches, rubbish fishing

    Awful, do you know how much bait you have to go through chucking a dozen undersized snapper back for every one you can keep?
    Every 15 minutes.

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    Has the Cat discussed why Sydney continues to have water restrictions at all (currently at level 1) given the recent rains. With today’s update, greater Sydney storage went from 89.9% to 94.9%.

    David – Same here in the Hunter, we’re on level 1 despite 79.2% full.

    And next weekend I think Sydney will hit the ton, because the BoM weather maps show another ECL developing.

    The water restrictions thing has become religious. Thou shalt not use Gaia’s holy urine. There’s no other explanation that makes sense.

  111. rickw

    Why in hell did we ever send troops to Afghanistan?

    The problem wasn’t sending troops to Afghanistan, the problem was sending troops to Afghanistan with no clear plan for winning.

    If the plan included publicly demolishing every mosque, publicly shooting every iman and burying them in pig’s entrails, then you would have had something of a start.

    If you were ever going to win in Afghanistan then you needed to be willing to out ruthless them by an order of magnitude.

  112. dover_beach

    Morrison’s caricature yesterday of having to take into account the effect on the economy vs the vulnerable as ‘hideous’ shows the depths of moral idiocy to which we have descended, and it plays right into the hand of Andrews (and the other premiers) because it writes him (and them) a blank cheque to go even further if needed. Still, it is about time rightists stopped using short-hand like the economy and fleshed out that what we are talking about are people’s lives, family businesses, towns and communities, etc. that are being degraded by Stage 4 restrictions to ordinary social intercourse. But this is what happens when you completely dumb-down moral discourse. People are perfectly entitled to go to work, attend a funeral, and the like, during an outbreak, so long as they take precautions to limit transmission, even if they know that doing so might nevertheless not prevent transmission completely, and thus incidentally result in sickness or death. This is true because the good of earning a living and caring for oneself/ family, respecting and mourning the dead, and the like, is proportionate to the good of preventing sickness and death though not completely avoiding it.

  113. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3543641, posted on August 11, 2020 at 10:50 am
    Jenna Price runs interference for Disco Dan in today’s smh.
    Says politicians need a break after being under so much pressure.
    What about the pressure small business is under Jenna?
    Can’t remember her writing about them.”

    Hmm, did Jenna Price, senior lecturer in activism at UTS (the same school that gave us Mark Di Stefano…progressive far-left activist who likes to hack into phone calls to get a story), say the same thing about Scott Morrison taking a break in Hawaii with his wife and daughters and did Jenna Price also support Morrison back in January when most of the MSM and social media sewers were howling, shrieking and screaming at Morrison on a daily basis?

    I can’t remember her writing to support Morrison..unless I missed it…but I very much doubt it.

  114. K2

    I thought invading Afghanistan was about getting the Opium crop back up and running.

  115. twostix

    I know one thing for 100% absolute certain.

    John Howard would never, ever have let the states put internal borders up.
    And John Howard would certainly, never let commo old Victoria round him up politically about some Aged Care nonsense while the state was under martial law.

    He, and Keating, and Hawke, and Menzies, etc, etc would have crushed this idiocy in the first hour.

    What we’re witnessing is the collapse of the commonwealth as a political force in this country for the first time in a century of unbroken ascendancy. And the longer this all goes on the more used to it people are getting and the more permanent this balkanisation of this country becomes.

  116. calli

    The water restrictions thing has become religious. Thou shalt not use Gaia’s holy urine. There’s no other explanation that makes sense.

    After the Brisbane floods, wasn’t there a lot of brouhaha about keeping dams at 100%?

  117. Ellen of Tasmania

    The water restrictions thing has become religious. Thou shalt not use Gaia’s holy urine. There’s no other explanation that makes sense.

    Could it just be that no matter how full the dams, the number of dam-users is too great for the current water storage?

    The Gaia-god doesn’t allow new dams, does she?

  118. Anthony

    Thought I heard something about an armed person shot outside the WH. Must have been mistaken because the MSM doesn’t seem to know anything about it.

  119. calli

    Treating and pumping water costs money too.

  120. twostix

    The commonwealth could start mending it’s fractured relationship with the people by engaging in democracy again. Start parliament back up, the people’s house must sit and operate normally.

    The people will back it over the states like they always have, but only if it gives them a reason to.

  121. rickw

    After the Brisbane floods, wasn’t there a lot of brouhaha about keeping dams at 100%?

    Flood control dam function being morphed into water storage.

  122. Leigh Lowe

    The Gaia-god doesn’t allow new dams, does she?

    Holy cow.

  123. Makka

    Morrison’s caricature yesterday of having to take into account the effect on the economy vs the vulnerable as ‘hideous’ shows the depths of moral idiocy to which we have descended, and it plays right into the hand of Andrews (and the other premiers) because it writes him (and them) a blank cheque to go even further if needed.

    It’s a well known fact that during times of war or serious threat , incumbent politicians poll numbers benefit. Oooh tough guy, hard nosed, savior protector and all that bullshit. Proles lap it up. THAT is why the Govts and their fellow sewer dwellers in the media are trying so hard to scare the living sh** out of the populace all day every day. To create the “war” footing. To force belief in this existential “threat”. To boost re-election prospects. It is ALL self interest. Nothing more.

    We should all be writing Andrew Bolt thanking him profusely and urging him to continue to go hard on Morrison and Andrews, particularly on the question of HCQ. Allowing treatment of HCQ + zinc etc will cut the covid death toll between 60-80%. It will destroy the “war” and “existential threat” narrative used to lock up the state and divide the country. HCQ is the get out of jail card that is being withheld for the very obvious reasons.

  124. Bruce of Newcastle

    If the plan included publicly demolishing every mosque, publicly shooting every iman and burying them in pig’s entrails, then you would have had something of a start.

    Rick – I still prefer my idea, which was to have the US Army build 10m high reinforced concrete walls around every town and village in the country.

    Then give the headman a large stash of AKs and ammo.

    At a stroke it undermines the Taliban model of dominance, since they can’t then carry out retribution on the villagers. The country would be a mass of armed-to-the-teeth villages and towns cooperating one day and fighting with each other the next day.

    Too busy to nuke US cities. Problem solved.

    Of course the central government such as it is would really dislike the idea, since they then couldn’t control the villages either. Haha.

    I’m amused that the Chinese are solving the heroin problem by manufacturing fentanyl. Darwinian.

  125. twostix

    I’m surprised more hasn’t been made about Dan Andrew’s side kick in QLD banning Canberra (aka the Commonwealth) from entering QLD.

    This is the most nakedly political FU to the Commonwealth from a state there’s ever been. It makes Jack Lang look like a federalist.

  126. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sydney has tripled its population but not its water storage. Hence constant ‘save water’ messaging and restrictions. Plenty of water just running to the ocean, no new dams. One useless desalination white elephant.

  127. feelthebern

    After the Brisbane floods, wasn’t there a lot of brouhaha about keeping dams at 100%?

    Not enough.
    The Brisbane floods were caused by govt employees poor water management.
    If they had taken the external advice & released water a lot sooner, there would have been a fraction of the damage.

  128. feelthebern

    A lot of these disaster come back to terrible management by government.
    Brisbane floods – a human made disaster because of poor water management.
    2019-2020 bushfires – a human made disaster because of lack of hazard reduction.
    Victorian COVID19 deaths – a human made disaster because of a terrible COVID19 response.
    What’s next?

  129. Steve trickler

    Another big bang.



  130. twostix

    It’s little stretch to figure that over the last decade the political left have accepted they can not win national elections anymore – and even when they do can’t realise their agenda – and so are falling back to seizing control of regional areas and then working on dissolving powerful federations and commonwealths that bind them up.

    $$$ from China flowing into their political parties helps too.

  131. Dr Faustus

    After the Brisbane floods, wasn’t there a lot of brouhaha about keeping dams at 100%?

    Flood control dam function being morphed into water storage.

    And now safely back to flood mitigation mode.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Caesar walled in Vercingetorix with an 11km circuit of wooden pallisades. He then made an external wall around this circuit, creating a walled fortress for his men so that relieving Gallic troops could be fought off on that side too. That’s how Vercingetorix lost.

    The Romans knew a thing or two about walls.

  133. Just as valid here:

    We can’t close down forever although I’m beginning to think Dan and his health mafia would like this to happen.

    We need to take into account just who is getting hammered and who isn’t.
    People who are dependent on the public purse are doing reasonably well – extra bits on pensions, PS getting raises, etc.
    The ones going broke and watching their life’s work go down the gurgler? Not so well.
    Why is it so?
    The ones going broke are farmers, small business enterprises, self employed. And they aren’t going broke because of illness – it’s government edict that doing the damage. It’s because the small business sector is the Class Enemy.
    Now things are a bit clearer?

  134. calli

    Melbourne – Like watching a peacock accidentally fly into a wood chipper.

    I shouldn’t laugh. *suppresses giggle*

  135. Dr Faustus

    This is the most nakedly political FU to the Commonwealth from a state there’s ever been. It makes Jack Lang look like a federalist.

    Election fever.
    We love demonising Canberra – big vote winner.

  136. Some History

    What we’re witnessing is the collapse of the commonwealth as a political force in this country for the first time in a century of unbroken ascendancy. And the longer this all goes on the more used to it people are getting and the more permanent this balkanisation of this country becomes.

    The screeching in Victoria is that “we have to get the numbers down”. Yet there is no indication by government, nor is the media asking, what numbers are acceptable, e.g., 300 a day, 200 a day. I’m guessing that the government has committed to zero infections, with jackboots if necessary (possibly preferred). If there are not zero infections, the borders/quarantine against Victoria – or any other State that does not have zero infections – will remain. For all borders to be open in the current circumstance, every State would have to have zero infections. That’s already fraught with problems. And if this state of synchronicity by States could be achieved, it still leaves Australia in an “isolation limbo” regarding the rest of the world.

    What a mess! “We’re all in this together”, my asteroid.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    The Brisbane floods were caused by govt employees poor water management.
    If they had taken the external advice & released water a lot sooner, there would have been a fraction of the damage.

    And if they had followed their own manuals.
    The dam had two purposes – water storage and flood mitigation.
    But the bureaucrats had drunk so much Flannery Kool-Ade that they didn’t dare let any of that precious “never gonna rain again” rain go out to sea.
    And so allowed the dam to fill beyond the storage limit.
    Huey then inconveniently sent down a little more.

  138. lotocoti

    Isn’t it about time Sydney had another Giardia crisis?

  139. rickw

    Rick – I still prefer my idea, which was to have the US Army build 10m high reinforced concrete walls around every town and village in the country.

    Then give the headman a large stash of AKs and ammo.

    At a stroke it undermines the Taliban model of dominance, since they can’t then carry out retribution on the villagers. The country would be a mass of armed-to-the-teeth villages and towns cooperating one day and fighting with each other the next day.

    Most villages there have substantial mud walls around them. Also a lot of AK’s but not necessarily in the right hands. Of course ISAF engaged in a disarmament program, which was the exact opposite of what they should have been doing. Virtue signalling over reality.

  140. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3543691, posted on August 11, 2020 at 11:27 am

    Melbourne – Like watching a peacock accidentally fly into a wood chipper.

    I shouldn’t laugh. *suppresses giggle*

    It is also worth looking at the one where he tells the Gummint guy at the door how bad the Bluetooth app is.
    With colour.

  141. Geriatric Mayfly

    That was interesting. I’ve never read much animal husbandry or vet science.
    Another point on interest is the interaction of species because of what they forage. There are so many ruminants in savanna Africa all competing for much the same ground cover, the height at which grass or leaves are nibbled by one as opposed to another is an important aspect of survival. It partly explains too the “frontier wars”in the US between sheep and cattle ranchers. The latter chomp off the taller plant parts, sheep eat them to the ground. Goats of course eat every damned thing.

  142. rickw

    Melbourne – Like watching a peacock accidentally fly into a wood chipper.

    I shouldn’t laugh. *suppresses giggle*

    That’s seriously funny! I just snorked on a Telecon while not on mute!!!!

  143. calli

    Isn’t it about time Sydney had another Giardia crisis?

    Definitely.

    And they’ll always have their special seaside “icecream”.

  144. incoherent rambler

    Isn’t it about time Sydney had another Giardia crisis?

    Dannograd is in the middle of one.
    Shit is coming out of the CMO’s mouth, non stop.

  145. calli

    And I especially loved this from Our Glad:

    Yesterday, it was revealed through email correspondence sent between NSW Health and the Federal Government that the former resisted moves to transfer infected patients to hospital.

    The Premier said there wasn’t a “one size fits all policy” to managing elderly patients.

    “Health experts always need to provide advice based on the individual’s needs,” Ms Berejiklian said.

    “Some residents, it’s traumatic taking them out of what is their home.”

    Newsflash. They died. Traumatic much?

  146. Bruce of Newcastle

    Caesar walled in Vercingetorix with an 11km circuit of wooden pallisades.

    King of spades. 😀

    I think I’ve read The Conquest of Gaul three times. The Civil War only once some time ago. Must read it again. Caesar was a good story teller as well as his other gifts.

  147. Some History

    Disaster Dan about to give today’s presser.

  148. MatrixTransform

    special seaside “icecream”.

    I stayed at that joint for a conference about 20yr ago.
    ordered Balmain Bugs
    put it on the table and turned around for 10 seconds to get some eating tools.
    … gone

    I spoke to the staff and started making a new batch.
    about 2 minutes later 3 security staff were frog marching some punter down the hall

    I swear he was still chewing as he gave me the finger on the way past

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bolt should also get on to promoting Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic and dirt cheap, used in combo with the antibiotic Doxycycline. This combo is working well vs Covid in the 3rd world. We used DCL as an alternative to HCL on our recent African trip. Local doc in Nairobi also prescribed Azithromycin for Hairy’s bad cough, as it is the antibiotic of choice throughout Africa. Rebecca Weisser in the latest Speccie discusses how Ivermectin with Doxycline is being used in the 3rd world with similar results to HCL and Azithromycin. I was so interested I accidentally dropped the Speccie in the bath as I was reading her piece. Had to dry it out before I could discuss the article with Hairy.

    When you read Ridley’s ‘The Red Queen’ and see how the human battle is against parasitic organisms, no wonder viruses have taken the main chance and have evolved parasitic mechanisms too and that antiparasitics knock some of them dead.

  150. Eyrie

    The dam had two purposes – water storage and flood mitigation.
    But the bureaucrats had drunk so much Flannery Kool-Ade that they didn’t dare let any of that precious “never gonna rain again” rain go out to sea.

    Besides, Blight and co. wanted to SELL the water in the dam. Can’t let it run out without getting paid.

  151. If the Victorian Covid deaths were euthanasia deaths, that would be interpreted as a policy success.

  152. mh

    NT News

    CANCEL YOUR INTERSTATE HOLIDAY PLANS, GUNNER WARNS
    Chief Minister Michael Gunner is asking Territorians to cancel their Christmas holidays plans interstate with NT’s borders expected to remain shut until 2022

  153. Not Uh oh

    “Despite challenges in the last few weeks, Queensland remains on top of COVID-19.”

    Interesting scenario isn’t it? Just like NZ. No new cases but bugger-all immunity. Hoping that it will go away or that we get a vaccine. But what if it doesn’t, and we don’t? What’s the plan? Seems like around 0.06% of the population of those countries where it gets a go-on, actually die. Mostly oldies. In Australia that would be around 15,000 people. So what’s it going to be; sooner, later or never? Get it over with or stay under the doona? And now we’ve gone and spent all that money – and it’s still out there. Its bullet biting time but i don’t think anyone’s got the appetite.

  154. Anne

    Why in hell did we ever send troops to Afghanistan?

    I can answer that, Eyrie.

    It was to protect the CIA/ “Poppy” Bush Opium trade.

  155. feelthebern

    Besides, Blight and co. wanted to SELL the water in the dam.

    Yes.
    That was the key reason as per the enquiry into the floods.

  156. duncanm

    “The Gender Pay Gap”.

    Numbers is right – children need to study this.

    Alongside the Gender Workplace Injury and Death Gap and the Hours worked in paid employment gap.

    Second semester can study the Divorce and Seperation Wealth Transfer Gap

  157. feelthebern

    I can’t remember the name of the book I read, but the CIA couldn’t believe how quickly the Afghani’s gave up A-Q & the Taliban bigwigs when they first rolled through.
    After a month of selected bombings, kidnappings & killings, they realised the locals had given up all the local money lenders.
    Afghanistan should have been some payback from afar & then leave that shithole to it’s own devices.

  158. Ray has been attacking Bolt strongly today over his comments on older deaths from virus. Ray mentioned the case today of an 18 year old who caught the virus at Crossroads pub and then infected his father and 83 year old grandfather. The grandfather died despite being a very healthy 83 year old.

    You have to wonder if Ray would take a call from the family of somebody who has suicided due to impact of virus.

    I think the issue that concerns me is that we are not told the full story about the impact of lockdown. For example in recent VIC death of somebody relatively young they did not appear to want to say if had any other conditions. We know the financial costs but not the deaths by suicide, delayed treatments and surgeries etc. How much longer can the country spend billions to prevent the spread in mainly one state ?

    The problem is every day we get the death count. People might have a different view if had all the information.

    Alan Jones and Adam Creighton both in the Bolt camp.

    Ray is now on $4m a year so has had no financial loss due to virus. I believe talkback show ratings are up since the virus although not so sure about advertising revenue. Heard a guy on radio from Cains praising the lockdown and said had no problem with the effect on tourism. Radio host correctly asked if he had any drop in income and no surprise when he said no.

    It is a tough time for the decision makers but should be providing more info. No doubt we will get them later but would help if knew what things are affecting current decisions.

    Governments dishing out billions is not a cure.

  159. duncanm

    With today’s update, greater Sydney storage went from 89.9% to 94.9%.

    and Warragamba is well on its way to being full... Currently -1m down.

  160. mh

    Dems Gone Wild

    The Seattle City Council voted Monday to move forward with a controversial proposal that would begin the process of defunding the police department.

    The 7-1 vote comes despite objections from the city’s police chief, mayor and the Seattle Police Officers’ Guild.

    The plan would ultimately slash funding to the department but not the 50% some had sought. Seattle currently has around 1,400 police officers, and the current plan would see about 100 cut. It was also cut the police department’s $400 million budget by about $3 million, according to KOMO.

  161. duncanm

    dover_beach
    #3543730, posted on August 11, 2020 at 12:05 pm
    Germany, 1902. Spectacular.

    Opened 1901. Still running 80,000 people/day

  162. feelthebern

    Ray mentioned the case today of an 18 year old who caught the virus at Crossroads pub and then infected his father and 83 year old grandfather. The grandfather died despite being a very healthy 83 year old.

    File under fairy tale.

  163. Rex Mango

    ABC RN Background Briefing on right now, 3rd & final episode in a series called The Power of Falun Gong. Made in conjunction with Foreign Correspondent this show links Falun Gong to the far right in Australia & around the world & also points out that Chinese militarisation of the South China Sea no different to the USA having a base on Diego Garcia. Whose side is the ABC on?

  164. feelthebern

    Until proven otherwise, all the cases attributed to the Crossroads Hotel should be put down to the knock shops & rub and tugs in the area.

  165. notafan

    Dover

    You are correct and we do that in corona virus seasons or out of them.

    We don’t go visit people in hospital when we have a bad cold.

    We don’t take small child with a contagious disease to a birthday party.

    As for Morrison I’ll stick by my earlier comment about his weak theology and his inability to think logically.

  166. Old School Conservative

    Ray mentioned the case today of an 18 year old who caught the virus at Crossroads pub and then infected his father and 83 year old grandfather.

    Anyone ring in and ask ray why the 18 year old and the father didn’t die?

  167. notafan

    83.

    Apparently that is no different to being 18.

    When it suits the narrative.

  168. notafan

    And you could ask

    Then why didn’t the 18 year old die, or the father inbetween?

  169. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mrs Gravatar takes some sun. This noisy thinks it’s a great place for sunbathing too, whilst standing on one foot. The ECL has wandered off towards Kiwiland so it’s time to air out the linen.

  170. rickw:

    Interesting. Bet those in HK wished that the CCP had defaulted allowing Britain to retain HK.

    This seems to me to be similar to a saltie waiting for a pup to go swimming. Nothing happening until – suddenly – snap.
    Could President Trump just cancel the >$1 Trillion in bonds that China has, and pay out the railway bonds?
    I realise there would be a backlash among the bondholders in the West, they’d scream the roof in, but the shock to China would be tremendous as its foreign reserves get cancelled.

  171. Cassie of Sydney

    “Whose side is the ABC on?”

    China.

  172. MatrixTransform

    Ray is now on $4m a year so has had no financial loss due to virus.

    not yet he hasn’t … not yet.

  173. Anne

    Dentists say ‘mask mouth’ can cause serious health complications, including strokes.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mask-mouth-dentists-warn-prolonged-use-of-masks-leading-to-poor-oral-hygiene

    Take off the compliance muzzles!

  174. Dr Faustus

    Just like NZ. No new cases but bugger-all immunity. Hoping that it will go away or that we get a vaccine. But what if it doesn’t, and we don’t? What’s the plan?

    The Plan:

    1) Minimum Rona up to end of October;
    2) Win election – because Palacechook Grrl Power;
    3) Stake through Trad’s evil heart and garlic in Cameron Dick’s mouth;
    4) Deb Frecklington replaced by someone even less electable;
    5) Put the Big Bite onto Morrison for reconstruction funds for Queensland in the lead up to the Federal Election;
    6) Win next election…

  175. notafan

    Bolt should stay right away from recommending this drug or that drug.

    Most of the deaths are the frail aged on palliative care pathways.

    He should be pushing lockdown end because the price of lockdown is too high, in destroyed businesses, families and suicides.

    They aren’t saving a single frail aged life, that bird has flown.

    and part of accepting that death is part of live

    That interview with the elderly lady locked in her room in Glen Waverley, she asks what’s the point?.

    Support those who wish to continue to self isolate.

    That’s it.

  176. calli

    Hah! Did you see the masked photographer in Trump’s presser?

    He couldn’t believe the question she asked. Had a second look at her. The hesitation? Didn’t need to take her picture for future retribution.

    Pegging the camera at her?

  177. Fisky

    The CATO Institute cannot be trusted even on very basic, verifiable matters of fact, if it conflicts with their ideological priors. This is embarrassing stuff.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1292687117383065600

    Prof. Steve Hanke
    @steve_hanke
    · 21h
    Public health “experts” continue to tout #Vietnam’s #COVID efforts as a “success”. Absent from their stories is how restricted domestic movement is in Vietnam.

    @CatoInstitute scores VTM a pathetic 0 out of 10 in “Freedom of Domestic Movement”. Even #Communist #China scores a 5.

  178. notafan

    And no doubt Pandanic is on an elimination pathway.

    Lockdown til 2033!

    Yet Europe is open for business.

  179. K2

    Herodotus’ link to American Thinker @ 7:14am is worth a read.

    Using that as a reference point, it is impossible not to come to the conclusion that this is a “Plannedemic”

  180. Makka

    He should be pushing lockdown end because the price of lockdown is too high, in destroyed businesses, families and suicides.

    It’s not working. Poll numbers still very strong. Pointless pushing that. “Saving lives with HCQ” demolishes the “lockdown to save lives” argument.

  181. Gab

    Earlier today, the far-left began a campaign called “Interrupt Trump” targeting White House press briefings

    Today an armed gunman interrupted the President’s press briefing
    8:50 AM · Aug 11, 2020·Twitter Web App

  182. Mater:

    Thinking of having something to say to the teachers.

    Apart from recording everything, no.
    Good luck.
    (Assume that the teacher will lie about witnesses which you don’t see, and they have a friend who is a copper and that the copper may unexpectedly turn up on your front door demanding an explanation for your ‘aggressive behaviour’ at the school.)

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    Even the Left is unamused by Karens.

    California Weighs Anti-Karen 911 Call Hate Crime Law (8 Aug, via BCF)

    The legislature of the Golden State is fed up with all of the Karens out there misusing the 911 emergency call lines to commit racist acts of harassment and they’re dreaming of a solution. And if they have their way, such instances will be treated as a hate crime, with stiffened penalties up to and including a $2,000 fine and a year in jail. The legislation under discussion is Assembly Bill AB-1775 and it was taken up on the floor of the Assembly yesterday. If you think this sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen, then you’ve probably been paying attention to the news lately.

    So much fun when they start fighting with each other.

  184. notafan

    LL

    That was hilarious.

    He missed the writers festival.

    I must say I’m fairly oblivious to all that culture stuff. It’s all boring progressive excitements.

    And no wonder all the interstate wankers move here.

  185. Leigh Lowe:

    Perhaps a project on public – private sector inequity durimg a pandemic might be more apt.

    Shit stirrer.

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Driving around in the luxury European auto this morning. 😉
    Gave 3AW the flick because Nanny Neil had that Namby Pamby tofu munching poofta sheeple Nicholas Reece on.
    Finance guy on ABC asking WTF do we do when we have a few thousand cases and the UK and Europe have herd immunity.
    ViTriol disagrees.
    Bans out as far as the eye can see, she says.
    Suck it up.
    Finance guy “Well, that means no travel between here and Europe for the foreseeable future.”
    ViTriol goes vewwy, vewwy quiet.
    You can almost see the brain whirring away “Yikes!! Caravans in Rosebud instead of Villas in Tuscany. This now affects me!”

  187. notafan

    I’m sorry Makka.

    People are probably noticing that those that are dying are vunerable/frail elderly.

    What they need to know is that they aren’t even been offered ‘life saving’ treatments but being steered to palliative care.

    I linked the qanda document they use this morning.

  188. Regarding the 83 year old mentioned on Ray’s show.

    The 52 year old son in law (not son) of deceased had called in. He is 30 year cop and said although cleared of virus it had made him very sick despite him being in prior good health. I have no reason to doubt his story. 83 year old was living in same home.

    “File under fairy tale”.

  189. notafan

    A journalist is not the person to be recommending medical treatments.

    Especially unproven ones.

    The same people saying did they die of covid or with covid think there is a magic bullet.

    Yet the same elderly cohort were being finished off by flu last year despite access to a vaccine and we’ll known treatment regimens.

  190. notafan

    Brett

    The point is as you age your immune system deteriorates.

    You are simply not in the same position to fight off illnesses as you were in your prime.

    He might be healthy ‘for an 83 year old’ but that doesn’t make his as healthy as the average 53 year old.

  191. notafan

    I got stuck on my Reacher.

    The one where he visits the twin where his daddy was born. Looks like the baddies might be hunt humans for fun types.

    Ho hum

    Switched to Steven Hamilton.

    Better.

  192. Bruce of Newcastle

    Big bang theory.

    Qatari academic blames Lebanese girls, gays, plastic surgery for blast (11 Aug)

    Qatari sociologist Abd al-Zaziz al-Khazraj al-Ansari blamed last week’s Beirut port explosion on Lebanese girls, homosexuals and plastic surgery in the Eastern Mediterranean country.

    In a video that Ansari uploaded on August 6, he cites the causes for the blast that killed at least 220 people and injured 7,000 as “85% of Lebanese girls are not married. What do you think they are doing? Making original models with the boys? Collecting stamps? Most of them are involved in forbidden relationships.”

    He continued his diatribe against the Lebanese people stating “that Lebanon is famous for changing Al lah’s creation. You want to puff your lips? Augment your breasts? Change your face? Go to Lebanon.”
    Ansari launched an anti-gay rant about the cause of the explosion. “In addition, Lebanon is famous for the prevalence of s0domy and the abundance of homosexuals in it.”

    If I was a philatelist I’d be offended.

  193. zyconoclast

    Looks like a scene from the movie Scarface

    Toronto residents question safety of Cherry Beach following chainsaw attack

    Two blood-covered, chainsaw-wielding men emerged from the bushes of a popular public park in Toronto on Sunday morning, where witnesses say they screamed at, followed, and even lunged toward strangers while revving their deadly tools.

    It’s not the kind of thing you see very often in a large Canadian city… or anywhere outside of a horror movie, for that matter.

    And yet, Toronto Police confirmed that two people were arrested and two others injured yesterday when a “large group of people were in a physical altercation” involving at least one chainsaw near Toronto’s Cherry Beach

    Police have yet to release the suspects’ names, charges, or the nature and extent of any injuries, but Toronto Police Const. Caroline de Kloet did say on Sunday that the chainsaws were not used as weapons.

    An investigation into the fight is ongoing, which means that few other details are available from police.

    Curious locals are thus relying on people who were at or around Cherry Beach around 10 a.m. on Sunday morning for the scoop.

    First-hand accounts of what happened have been spreading like wildfire on social media over the past 24 hours, painting scary pictures in the heads of many.

    One video, posted late Sunday night to Facebook by David Sullivan, gave interested parties their first good glimpse of the chainsaw-weilding men in action.

    In the clip, two shirtless men are seen approaching a local windsurfing club at the eastern end of Cherry Beach.

    The bloodied men yell things as they approach people outside the windsurfing club, their chainsaws buzzing the entire time. One man can be heard yelling “who hit me?”

  194. feelthebern

    The 52 year old son in law (not son) of deceased had called in. He is 30 year cop and said although cleared of virus it had made him very sick despite him being in prior good health. I have no reason to doubt his story. 83 year old was living in same home.

    Continue to file under fairy tale until the details can be verified.
    There’s a horseshit campaign that’s going on.

  195. P

    Hah! Did you see the masked photographer in Trump’s presser?

    He couldn’t believe the question she asked. Had a second look at her. The hesitation? Didn’t need to take her picture for future retribution.

    Pegging the camera at her?

    Yes indeed.

    Who is the ‘she’? WOC, but will it be Rice, Harris or Bass. I hope it’s not Karen.

  196. Cassie of Sydney

    “Qatari sociologist Abd al-Zaziz al-Khazraj al-Ansari “

    I’m sure Tony Burke, if he hasn’t already, will be more than happy to provide Mr Abd al-Zaziz al-Khazraj al-Ansari with a character reference when he wishes to visit Australia.

  197. Eyrie

    A journalist is not the person to be recommending medical treatments.

    Wrong again, dimwit. He’s wanting it not banned on specious grounds and he brought evidence to the argument, unlike the Commonwealth chief medico. he lso mentions HCQ on its own does no good. Nobody has seriously claimed that. It is the combination of HCQ, AZT and zinc that does the job. The 9 trials the fuckwit Chief MO mentioned did not use zinc. Of course they failed. They were designed to fail. Now go back and look at what Bolt said again.

  198. feelthebern

    I have no reason to doubt his story.

    There’s your problem right there.
    You believe an anonymous caller to Ray Hadley.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    Winston Smith

    #3543785, posted on August 11, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    Leigh Lowe:

    Perhaps a project on public – private sector inequity durimg a pandemic might be more apt.

    Shit stirrer.

    Please Winston.
    Don’t be coarse.
    I prefer agitateur de merde or paid agent provocateur.
    Sounds much more classier.

  200. Makka

    People are probably noticing that those that are dying are vunerable/frail elderly.

    They are noticing nota. But it’s not enough to change strategies because the polls tell Morrison and Andrews there’s no need to change. To change all that, an alternative to the bogus “safety” of lockdown needs to be available.

    There are elderly and others in hospital beds already ill from covid who could easily benefit from HCQ thus bringing down the death toll in future. Govts are now pushing hard that the young will die from covid also. Must have more fear. This they can spin freely, absent a viable treatment . Govt must keep up the panic. (Boosting polls in the process).

    Introducing HCQ into the situation will reduce the fear of inevitable death by covid and remove the perceived safety of only lockdown as the viable covid response. HCQ not a vaccine but it will put covid into a manageable space and remove the fear of “we are all gonna die”. And that is why HCQ is not being allowed. And why we need voices like Bolta to scream it from the tellie.

  201. notafan

    LL

    What’s the title of the other chopper vid you recommend, please?

  202. Leigh Lowe

    The 52 year old son in law (not son) of deceased had called in. He is 30 year cop …

    Hellooo!
    30 y.o. cop calls in to Hadlee out of the blue.
    Wasn’t Hadlee junior a copper of about that vintage until he was drummed out of the Brownies for drugs?
    Maybe not the required six degrees of separation?

  203. Diogenes

    The 52 year old son in law (not son) of deceased had called in. He is 30 year cop and said although cleared of virus it had made him very sick despite him being in prior good health

    Aaaaand its not like there aren’t other diseases out there that knock one’s body around …
    My very fit colleague, (4th Dan Judo black belt, ran marathons for ‘fun’) was struck down by Glandular fever, it took him 6 months before he could start light running and judo training, and was then diagnosed with low grade lyphoma (now getting worse). Friend of friend had Ross River fever, took nearly 2 months before they had enough energy to get out of bed.

  204. Rebel with cause

    Finance guy “Well, that means no travel between here and Europe for the foreseeable future.”
    ViTriol goes vewwy, vewwy quiet.

    I think after a while we will see the emergence of a ‘quarantine light’ for the well heeled. Effectively, the ruling elite will be able to come and go as they please but the rest of us will be stuck here.

  205. Eyrie

    I see Gottliebson has found some new people to shill for: Parking garage and Toll road operators.

    Is the re anyone straight in this benighted country?

  206. calli

    Not to be confused with a déterreur de scandales.

    That’s my job.

  207. rickw

    FMD

    Permitted Worker Permit now being demanded by some organisations to demonstrate currency of work activity.

    Victoria is full of the Nazi Curious.

  208. Makka

    A journalist is not the person to be recommending medical treatments.

    Especially unproven ones.

    Did you not see the vid? The Yale epidemiologist was doing that, with evidence.

  209. calli

    52 year old is not a 30 year old.

    But on radio, like the interwebs, anything is possible.

  210. Boambee John

    Rex

    Whose side is the ABC on?

    I assume that the question is rhetorical?

  211. Bern,
    He gave his name, that of his father in law who is first NSW virus death for a few months, and mentioned being a 30 year cop. Hardly an anonymous caller but whatever floats your boat if you regard his call as some sort of fake news.

    “There’s your problem right there.
    You believe an anonymous caller to Ray Hadley”.

  212. Gab

    Flight from KL and another flight from Doha due to land in Melbourne shortly. Both passenger types.

    I thought we weren’t allowing international flights into Melbourne?

  213. Leigh Lowe

    I think after a while we will see the emergence of a ‘quarantine light’ for the well heeled. Effectively, the ruling elite will be able to come and go as they please but the rest of us will be stuck here.

    Possibly Rebel.
    But what is the point of overseas travel if you can’t have an Instagram wank about it.
    Which opens it up to Joe Public to observe you not doing your lock-up upon return.

  214. notafan

    I’m not a medic.

    I’m sure if your proposal was a cert people would be using it.

    After all this is a worldwide pandemic and not everyone could possibly be in this we want it to continue indefinitely space.

    After all most of Europe has reopened to tourism.

    Italy now has only 46 listed as critical with daily deaths now in single figures.

  215. zyconoclast

    Oh dear…

    Prince Harry was ‘delightfully surprised’ when Meghan Markle was happy to go to the toilet in the woods while camping in Botswana, biography Finding Freedom reveals as it hits shops TODAY

    Prince Harry knew Meghan Markle was his soulmate when she went for a pee in the woods on their first trip abroad, it is revealed in their bombshell biography, Finding Freedom, which hits shelves today.

  216. Leigh Lowe

    Gab
    #3543836, posted on August 11, 2020 at 1:11 pm
    Flight from KL and another flight from Doha due to land in Melbourne shortly. Both passenger types.

    I thought we weren’t allowing international flights into Melbourne?

    It is the 5G lizard people from WHO and also the Man From U.N.C.L.E.

  217. Eyrie

    I’m sure if your proposal was a cert people would be using it

    They are but not in Australia because we banned it.

    Stop being naive. Do you seriously think ScoMo, Andrews, Pieceofshit, the CMO’s etc are aren’t actually EVIL? They will do anything and kill anyone for political power. They might not be pulling the trigger but they may as well be.

  218. Leigh Lowe

    It’s happening!!!

  219. Maj

    The Romans knew a thing or two about walls.

    Donald Trump knows a thing or two about walls. He builds big beautiful walls!

    MAGA then KAG / Four More Years / Finish The Wall

  220. notafan

    Thanks LL.

    Made me cry.

  221. MatrixTransform

    I thought we weren’t allowing international flights into Melbourne?

    coming from Merimbula as well
    and another from Singapore

  222. rickw

    Aaaaand its not like there aren’t other diseases out there that knock one’s body around …

    Diseases do all kinds of damage, most of the time people don’t even notice. I had a regular company hearing test, upon reviewing the results the tester asked if I had been sick with a virus or flu in the last 12 months. I couldn’t remember anything in particular but apparently I had 10% hearing loss in both ears that was consistent with a virus/very high fever.

  223. Makka

    I’m sure if your proposal was a cert people would be using it.

    Do you have some kind of reading disorder? Govts are are not allowing the use. And it’s not MY proposal, it is the proposal of qualified epidemiologists studying te effects of the virus. As in Bolt’s piece.

    Switzerland meanwhile has removed it’s ban on the use of the drug.

  224. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ms Reid has studied more than 30 years of records of northwest cloud bands, and discovered they are occurring more frequently than in the past.

    When you have access to instant satellite photographs, you can see rivers everywhere and cloud bands all over the planet, disturbed by flapping butterflies in Brazil.

  225. notafan

    The only people dying, and really not that many, are vunerable/ frail aged.

    The question needs to be asked how many who have died have been put on palliative care only pathways?

  226. Diogenes

    I think after a while we will see the emergence of a ‘quarantine light’ for the well heeled. Effectively, the ruling elite will be able to come and go as they please but the rest of us will be stuck here.

    We have that now, just get the right paperwork from your doctor & hey presto you can spend your 14 days at your multi-acre, several ‘000 acre rural retreat or ’00s of sqm city pad

  227. notafan

    Fine fine it’s a banned miracle cure.

    Our government, every level are not just stupid gutless incompetents but pure evil.

  228. Geriatric Mayfly

    Prince Harry knew Meghan Markle was his soulmate when she went for a pee in the woods on their first trip abroad,

    Is the Pope a Catholic? Does a Prince Piss in the Woods?

  229. Some History

    Prince Harry was ‘delightfully surprised’ when Meghan Markle was happy to go to the toilet in the woods while camping in Botswana, biography Finding Freedom reveals as it hits shops TODAY

    Au naturel “pee pals”, “bog buddies”, “crap chums”. A union forged in the excrement.

    Rumor has it that each of this charming couple would excuse themselves from proceedings at Windsor Castle to go have a leak somewhere on the manicured grounds.

  230. Eyrie

    Our government, every level are not just stupid gutless incompetents but pure evil.

    NOW you are getting it.

  231. William the Conjuror

    A pee in the woods?

    His future wife, however, opted to begin the day with a bowl of fruit and yoghurt, with her morning ritual traditionally consisting of hot water with lemon followed by steel cut oats with bananas and agave syrup.

    Nice touch. Meghan is a Carr-nivore.

  232. Dr Faustus

    Prince Harry knew Meghan Markle was his soulmate when she went for a pee in the woods on their first trip abroad…

    Hazza: redefining piss-weak.

  233. thefrollickingmole

    On the Roman/ French wall fracas.

    After a while he Frecnchies worked out they were going to run out of provisions quickly.
    So they expelled their own non-fighters from inside their camps expecting/hoping the Romans would let them leave.
    Instead the Romans kept the civvies trapped between the 2 walls and allowed them to starve/ die of exposure.
    Must have been great for morale of the frogs to see granny/kiddies starving to death between the 2 walls.

  234. Missed this one. He is not a 30 y.o. cop but has been a cop for 30 years. My post clearly indicates he was 52.

    The reaction to my post about this caller has been quite something. It is like the opposite of fake news. Because some don’t like the call context, as it goes against their view of how things should be handled, then they cast doubts on the truth of what the caller was saying happened to his family. Two basically suggesting call not even real. You could say they have “cancelled” him as does not fit into their way of thinking

    Just for the record I am on the Jones / Bolt / Adam Creighton side of the debate but some guys here are incapable of even accepting a caller who identified himself as a genuine caller.

    What is the next stage, me having to apologise for even mentioning the call ? I mean god forbid we get both sides of what is going on. Really quite pathetic but I guess there are a few more “Anne’s” here than I realised.

    Leigh Lowe
    #3543819, posted on August 11, 2020 at 1:05 pm
    The 52 year old son in law (not son) of deceased had called in. He is 30 year cop …

    Hellooo!
    30 y.o. cop calls in to Hadlee out of the blue.
    Wasn’t Hadlee junior a copper of about that vintage until he was drummed out of the Brownies for drugs?
    Maybe not the required six degrees of separation?

  235. rickw

    Prince Harry was ‘delightfully surprised’ when Meghan Markle was happy to go to the toilet in the woods while camping in Botswana, biography Finding Freedom reveals as it hits shops TODAY

    Hardly surprising, have you seen what ladies toilets look like in Botswana?!

    Take a pee in the woods or get cholera, your choice!

  236. Makka

    The question needs to be asked how many who have died have been put on palliative care only pathways?

    Answering that will be useful for information but will not effect poll numbers.Not in the slightest.

    However if HCQ was deemed viable treatment (as it should be), Govts who had knowingly banned the use , allowed so many deaths and destroyed our economy ,people’s lives and livelihoods would be run out of town. That explains the massive resistance to HCQ by many Govts and their Helth Depts. Self interest, not the efficacy of it’s use.

  237. twostix

    Brett if you’re baffled by otherwise normal regular’s comments at the moment consider where they’re at.

    It’s usually Victoria. Not themselves at the moment and not coping well with the yoke of tyranny that the dictatorship down there has placed upon them.

    Have patience with them, for gods sake.

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