Open Forum: August 8, 2020

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  1. Struth

    Because they fund bullshit globalists.
    And because Mitch, you ol’ stoner you………………….
    trying to control population doesn’t necessarily mean you want to kill people, don’t be so emotional….. it just means you want to play god as far as who gets to be born.
    She’s not promoting viagra for Africa.

  2. The data from this only goes back to 2000 but the WHO actually collected data from 1996. In that year, there were 1005 cases of AFP.

    Can you guess how many were blamed on polio?

    NO.

    Why would they state they lied in their data?

    You’re deluding yourself.

  3. Struth

    Women are equal to men, they are different from men, each compliments the other. Women are the helpmeet, the warm, soft place in the heart of the family, the delight of their husband and the nurturer of their children.

    They are expected to work. Hard.

    Exactly.
    Empowerment not needed.

  4. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3540694, posted on August 8, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    Women are equal to men, they are different from men, each compliments the other. Women are the helpmeet, the warm, soft place in the heart of the family, the delight of their husband and the nurturer of their children.

    Mooooo!!!!

  5. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Is Dunderhead Dan Xi Man still Fuhrer of those monstrous shitholes, Mosquebourne and Disasterstan? 👽

  6. calli

    Empowerment is needed is some parts of the world. Lift your eyes over the horizon and see what the lot of women and children is in undeveloped places.

    Western women, by and large, have had sufficient attention. To the point of confected “inequality”.

    Others are not so fortunate.

  7. Leigh Lowe

    Latest curfew exemption announced by Dan Xi-Man.
    The safe injecting room in Richmond.
    It will be a junkie led recovery.

  8. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    LL – seriously? Shirely not …

  9. Delta A

    Today in JD 4110 maintenance:

    Best Man pulled the hydraulic ram apart on the Case backhoe today. It is destined to star in the mammoth tree-planting exercise scheduled last week in August.

    The first foliage on our joint family residence.

  10. thefrollickingmole

    If only women voted we would never have a Liberal/conservative government ever.

    Same for the USA

  11. vlad

    So if I’m stopped by the police I can say I’m driving to Richmond to shoot up?

  12. jupes

    By crikey the footy’s been good the last few days. GWS vs Essendon, St Kilda vs Gold Coast and now Port Adelaide vs Richmond (still a quarter to go with 1 point in it). The game has lost nothing from the packed schedule.

  13. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3540699, posted on August 8, 2020 at 6:25 pm

    What bull!

    Moooooo!!!
    (Paws ground …. snorts)

  14. MatrixTransform

    if women are equal to men, why do they need empowering, and who should do it for them?

    LOL

    that’s some very funny shit right there!

  15. Mitch M.

    Not just “empowered women”, also more leisure time, more spent on leisure, higher quality goods and services, more investment in each child. It is simply part of growing the K/L ratio. It seems to be a natural tendency.

    I’m glad someone else recognises that modern life provides so many opportunities for leisure and entertainment that more people are deciding to enjoy those rather than investing so much of their life into raising children.

  16. rickw

    Best Man pulled the hydraulic ram apart on the Case backhoe today. It is destined to star in the mammoth tree-planting exercise scheduled last week in August.

    The first foliage on our joint family residence.

    Nice! What was the problem, stuffed shaft seal?

  17. Perth Trader

    All my wives have been to good for me. I’m a weak , weak man.

    Thats enough empowering for today.

  18. Sorry. But whatever piece of “evidence” you think you have on this issue JC, Mitch M, LL, Cassie and LS, it’s wrong. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

    No. You are wrong. Please stop. You are just making up facts as you view the data as it would convenient for your narrative.

    Oh and for those who talked earlier about aborted babies in vaccines its primary use was in the rubella component of MMR. The Vatican was actually aware of this but they decided that it could be rationalized on the basis that the rubella vaccine prevented congenital defects and therefore saved the lives of babies.

    No. This did not happen.

    Unfortunately they’ll all go to hell because they forgot to do due diligence. You see, nobody ever thought to check to see if congenital defect rates actually fell following the vaccine.

    Mindless Catholic bashing. Fuck off pal. Back to your redneck “pastor”. No, I’m not tolerant of idiots.

    They didn’t. Not in the slightest. The vaccine was worthless. Doctors just stopped blaming rubella (CRS) when babies were born with defects.

    You are making this up. You are imagining this to be true, then assuming that it actually happened.

    In short, there’s vastly more evidence that the vaccine (along with other vaccines) increases the risk of a congenital defect than that it reduces it.

    No there isn’t.

  19. Some History

    So if I’m stopped by the police I can say I’m driving to Richmond to shoot up?

    And they’ll even give you a siren/lights on escort.

    🙂

  20. Mitch M.

    In short, there’s vastly more evidence that the vaccine (along with other vaccines) increases the risk of a congenital defect than that it reduces it.

    What specific congenital defects have increased because of vaccines and please provide evidence to support that where evidence is numbers not words.

  21. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Western women, by and large, have had sufficient attention.

    Grate. So could they stop incessantly screeching about their alleged lack of it, please?

    feminayzeeism was only ever about one thing. Gifting middle class boomer wyminnzes unearned power and privileges at the ongoing expense of men.

    The former have nevah given a rodent’s backside about “women of colour” in the third woild slaving under real, actual* zeeexism.

    *Redundant emphasis used to gratuitously illustrate how tiresome and smugnorant j’ismists are (unsurprisingly) again.

  22. Nick

    Watch the Tigers shoot up, up, watch the Tigers shoot up.

  23. What are the non-polio causes of AFP then?

    For a start – not poliovirus. Have I said that already? Because of this, let’s call these cases by a more obvious name – non-polio AFP or NPAFP.

    In my last post, I listed a bunch of non-viral things linked with AFP. Polio is just one of many causes.[3]

    Staying in my lane, let’s talk about viruses. There are around 100 cousins of poliovirus nicknamed “non-poliovirus enteroviruses (NPEVs). NPEVs are found in India among people that develop NPAFP.

    The enteroviruses belong to a huge viral super-group called the family Picornaviridae. Among the picornaviruses are other viral groups containing members seemingly capable of causing problems for our nervous system. Cardioviruses are one example.[18] Cosaviruses another.[19] And there are the parechoviruses as well.[20]

    In one 2019 study, 34 distinct NPEVs were identified from among 20% of stool samples collected mostly from children under the age of five years, with AFP in India.[4] NPEVs were more often circulating where the population density was highest. Some of these viruses were distinct from those found elsewhere in the world.

    The implication is that – for some reason – India has a problem with these viruses. One reason could be that transmission is being encouraged in some way. Let’s keep in mind a few things:

    Outbreaks happen because of humans, not viruses
    Enteroviruses are mostly spread by faecal-oral infection (droplets and contamination of hands and surfaces)
    Sanitation and hygiene-related issues are important factors to consider in transmission fo viruses in densely populated regions.[5,19]

    To wrap up

    India has a lot of NPAFP cases but no polio cases and no sign of poliovirus.

    https://virologydownunder.com/but-40000-cases-of-afp-in-india-must-mean-polio-is-thriving-right-no/

  24. cohenite

    Women do not need empowerment, whatever the fuck that is, in the West; they certainly need it in RoP.

  25. I am censoring you by proving you are wrong?

    Fuck me you must battle with everyday life, chief.

  26. Goanna

    Mitch.
    No. I have access to good acid but am not that interested in further trips.

    I can only guess at your access to good acid. At least with Psilocybin mushrooms it is easier to control the dose.

    https://music.apple.com/au/album/beautiful-drug/290852961?i=290852983

  27. cohenite

    In short, there’s vastly more evidence that the vaccine (along with other vaccines) increases the risk of a congenital defect than that it reduces it.

    WTF said that?

  28. So it’s up to you to prove it works using valid data.

    No, you haven’t provided any data you have been asked for.

    Please stop prevaricating and answer the questions.

  29. MatrixTransform

    The Father In Law lives Riverina and has a permit to hop in and out of VikDanistan as necessary for work.
    well technically he fills out 3 versions of paperwork most days to do so.

    Needs a specialist for medical stuff.
    if he goes to Bendigo … gotta self isolate for 14 days.
    no iffs, no buts

    see what happens when things get proscribed/prescribed?

    strange days

    flammable/inflammable

  30. Mitch M.

    Dirk
    #3540727, posted on August 8, 2020 at 6:42 pm
    You are making this up. You are imagining this to be true, then assuming that it actually happened.

    Well no. Congenital defect rates have indeed not fallen, that’s just what the data shows so simple logic tells us the condition (CRS) has been renamed instead of reduced.

    The idea that vaccines are worthless is horrific to most people. Even those who witness vaccine injury (and there are plenty) struggle to deal with the enormity of the lie.

    No belief in history has been indoctrinated into the masses as this one. Nothing else even comes close. That’s why your response is so emotional and all you’re thinking of doing right now is to censor me.

    His response is emotional because you’re making claims without evidence. You claim the evidence exists but don’t provide any of it. He should be pissed off with your demonstration of arrogance because you are claiming to have some special knowledge which you aren’t willing to reveal and in my world that means you’re a fucking idiot.

  31. Delta A

    Nice! What was the problem, stuffed shaft seal?

    Got it in one, rickw.

  32. Bruce of Newcastle

    India has a lot of NPAFP cases but no polio cases and no sign of poliovirus.

    But Pakistan has lost a lot of polio vaccinators because the locals think polio vaccine is a conspiracy to make mu slim men sterile. I suspect there’s more than a little of such mindset in the same demographic in India. Which makes me think they aren’t looking too hard because machetes.

  33. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Bluddee hell – I’ve wandered into an open air fight pit with Pol Dot just out there going …

  34. BoN:

    Giant dingos? That’s September covered. I wonder what’s coming in October?

    I’ve penciled in either Sex Zombies – their bite sends one into a 24 hour orgasm, or rabbits. Giant bloody carnivore rabbits with foot long willies that end up cross breeding with the Zombies of October.

  35. Tim Neilson

    Dirk
    #3540739, posted on August 8, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    Why are you referring to stats in India?

    What are the polio and AFP stats in Australia before and after the vaccine was introduced?

  36. JC

    Now let’s all just watch the goalpost shifting, the rationalizations, the appeals to authority and, of course, “that’s wrong because it’s a conspiracy theory”.

    Polio vaccines have been available , first in the developed world, since the 50s. According to Diggler et al, the downside of the vax was only found in India in the last ~7 years because the Gates Foundation introduced it.
    And it was found by the dregs of the Kennedy family.

  37. calli

    Spurgeon Monkfish III
    #3540724, posted on August 8, 2020 at 6:39 pm
    Western women, by and large, have had sufficient attention.

    Grate. So could they stop incessantly screeching about their alleged lack of it, please?

    Naughty Spurgeon.

    You took only part of my comment. You forgot the rest of it.

    Seems to happen a lot these days. Dover could tell us what sin it is in the art of argumentation. It will have an impressive Latin name of course.

  38. Zatara

    You have to use paralysis rates. I’ve seen this for the US but not Australia and the results are very very grim for those who trust the polio vaccine.

    Link?

  39. notafan

    Who benefits most from this decades long vaccine conspiracy?

  40. Mitch M.

    Of course doctors often differentially diagnose conditions if the patient is vaccinated. They are trained to do precisely that – in their mind it is standard risk assessment. So that means we can’t trust *any* data unless it’s corroborated by data that isn’t subject to this bias.

    But pretty lies are much sweeter.

    So you have a non-falsifiable argument and no data. How can you expect anyone to take your argument seriously when you are asking them to trust you as the Authority Figure? There is a strange circularity if not outright hypocrisy given you are accusing others of falling prey to the Authority Fallacy.

  41. JC

    cohenite
    #3540731, posted on August 8, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    In short, there’s vastly more evidence that the vaccine (along with other vaccines) increases the risk of a congenital defect than that it reduces it.

    WTF said that?

    Your pals, Cronkite.

  42. cohenite

    Your pals, Cronkite.

    Get fucked arsehole; I’m pro vaccine and any shiny arsed carpet bagger who says otherwise can stick his head up his arse.

  43. calli

    Oops. Mea culpa.

    On a second reading, you have supported my point.

    Naughty corner for me. Mercifully I popped a comfy chair into it earlier. Prescience.

  44. JC

    Cronkite.

    Get fucked arsehole; I’m pro vaccine

    How does that invalidate my comment that your pals are anti-vaxxers even though you claim to be pro? Make sure to include this logical fallacy in your bio “My Struggle”.

  45. Tel

    Summary: Autopsies of Covid-19 victims sometimes find some of their organs are rooted.

    The age of just one victim (44yo) is mentioned in the article.

    I looked at that WaPo article … and the “big reveal” was that Covid-19 causes microclots in the blood, but that was reported two months ago.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/the-stroke-virus-covid-causes-hundreds-of-microclots-throughout-the-lungs-and-everywhere-else/

    It’s highly unusual for any coronavirus to produce microclots … that’s one of the suspiciously unique factors of this particular virus (MERS-CoV for example, was not reported to have this capability) however many other types of virus do produce this result. For example, Marbug virus tends to trigger elevated D-dimer levels, and microclots associated with that … just like Covid-19 can do. Why would these unrelated virus types exhibit similar pathology? Dunno, check the Wuhan lab notes if you can find them.

    Malaria has a similar effect of producing blood clots, which it uses to gain advantage over the human immune system.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200413132818.htm

    Once it enters the human bloodstream, the parasite releases proteins into the host’s red blood cell which are then presented on the outside surface of the cell. These proteins stick to other blood cells and blood vessel walls so that the infected cells no longer circulate around the body and pass through the spleen. This protects the parasite as the spleen and the immune cells inside it would destroy these infected cells.

    This stickiness can also lead to blood cells lumping together into blood clots. By blocking the blood flow to vital organs, these clots can have fatal consequences, especially if they form in the brain or placenta.

    Thus, infections that produce blood clots are not so unusual, but this mechanism is uncommon in a coronavirus.

    Here’s something out of left field … Lupus (the autoimmune disease) also tends to cause blood clots, although not always. The drug hydroxychloroquine (you might have heard of it) is used to treat Lupus, Malaria and sometimes Covid-19 as well … one of the effects is to reduce blood clotting. Weird huh?

  46. 1735099

    In short, there’s vastly more evidence that the vaccine (along with other vaccines) increases the risk of a congenital defect than that it reduces it.

    Dangerous bullshit.
    These is absolutely no evidence that the incidence of congenital deformities has risen as a consequence of vaccinations.
    There is, however, ample evidence that vaccination programmes have saved lives worldwide in the last half century.

  47. JC

    Tel

    Part of the regimen in China bug treatment has been blood thinners.

  48. cohenite

    All of this shouldn’t have to be done by me.

    Fuck off then.

  49. JC

    You’re very angry this evening, Cronkite. Very angry.

  50. Tim Neilson

    Dirk,
    The polio data pre-vaccine and the total AFP data post vaccine in Australia aren’t in the same place.
    But I’ve just had a look and you can check the Australian National Enterovirus Reference Laboratory annual reports and see that AFP cases in Australia in the last 25 years or so have been tracking at about 1 in 100,000 among people 15 or under.
    You can then check the polio notifications pre-vaccine elsewhere and see that they were frequently in the 100’s and in epidemic years in their thousands.
    Given how chaotic India is, I’d trust our stats on something like this more than theirs.

  51. JC

    Oh yes, the Reeve Foundation.

    Diggler, you left this out about the Reeve F findings.

    This research revealed some important findings:

    Paralysis is dramatically more widespread than previously thought. Approximately 1.7 percent of the U.S. population, or 5,357,970 people reported they were living with some form of paralysis, defined by the study as a central nervous system disorder resulting in difficulty or inability to move the upper or lower extremities.
    The leading cause of paralysis was stroke (33.7 percent), followed by spinal cord injury (27.3 percent) and multiple sclerosis (18.6 percent).

    Nothing specifically mentioning Polio.

    More reasons here, such as car accidents, gun violence, cerebral palsy.

    https://www.christopherreeve.org/living-with-paralysis/stats-about-paralysis

  52. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    calli – 🥴

    Thank you

  53. thefrollickingmole

    Vaccination success is the reason I hated the Americans using it as a cover to get DNA proof Bin Laden was in that compound in Pakistan.
    Sure it might have been good intelligence gathering but boy it validated every conspiracy theory in that country.

    Vaccination works.
    Also massively helping is better “herd” nutrition and health in general.
    And antibiotics.

  54. 132andBush

    Dirk,

    Do you believe weather systems and rain events can be controlled/directed by any chance?

  55. JC

    I said of the 5 odd million around 2 million had conditions that *might* have been labelled as polio in the pre-vaccine era.

    They may have been labelled as constipation sufferers in the pre-vaccine era. That’s not my point and it doesn’t matter. There is no single label in the causes that even comes close to suggesting polio in the present day. Essentially , it been eradicated unless you consider, car & work places accidents, gun violence as suggestive of polio. Do you?

  56. Some History

    Some light relief.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger sings In The Air Tonight by Phil Collins

    Ay carn fillet carming in de ear two nayt, oh Lord
    Ent ayf bin waytink foor dis mommnt foororl may layf, oh Lord
    Carn yoo fillet carming in de ear two nayt, oh Lord oh Lord

  57. Cardimona

    From the Oz today.
    Posted without comment.

    __

    Anti-vaxxers have infected the Greens, senator warns
    EXCLUSIVE

    DAVID PENBERTHY

    Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young has warned against antivaccination sentiment within her party and called on all sides of politics to resist the influence of “a dangerous anti-science agenda”.

    She is also urging governments to do more to address the role of tech giants such as Facebook and Google in peddling baseless information about the so-called dangers of immunisation.

    Senator Hanson-Young said she feared anti-vaxxer sentiment was coalescing with COVID-19 denial and that a “disturbing” number of people were now rejecting the science-based advice of governments and health authorities.

    Amid data showing an overlap between low immunisation rates and high rates of Greens support in areas such as Byron Bay, innercity Melbourne and the Adelaide Hills, Senator Hanson-Young said she wanted her party to be resolute in its support of science.

    While arguing anti-vaxxer sentiment often transcended party politics, Senator Hanson-Young said she was aware of antivaxxer views among Greens supporters and believed they should be challenged.

    “There certainly are people who hold concerning views about vaccination, absolutely,” she said. “To those people I say we are a party of science, we are a party of evidence, and we are a party of making sure the community is looked after. You need to have a public health response, and the public health response needs to be underscored by science.

    “Most Australians and most Greens voters back science and back the mainstream public health position. But like all parties and all parts of the community, there are people who have different views. It’s our job as politicians to make sure the right views are being disseminated and that everyone has access to the right information.”

    Senator Hanson-Young, who has represented South Australia as a Greens senator since 2008, said former Greens leader Richard Di Natale and his successor Adam Bandt were supporters of vaccination, but that everyone across politics needed to do more amid the pandemic to defend science.

    She said she was alarmed by the extent of noncompliance during the lockdown and warned that anti-vaxxer and COVID-denial views were not only merging but being peddled by social media giants. “I am increasingly worried about the tone of this false information and the way anti-vaxxer debate is being rolled out by those who hold those views,” she said.

    “I have been watching what is going on increasingly during COVID and it is now getting caught up with people saying they don’t have to wear masks or follow police orders. I find it all very concerning and disturbing, to be honest, this distribution and promotion of false information.

    “The internet and social media have become superspreaders of this misinformation. The big tech companies like Facebook, Google and YouTube have to take more responsibility for intervening and making sure that the right health advice is getting distributed, and if they aren’t they should be forced to do so.

    “They are making profits off the back of people who are trumpeting misinformation and the people who get sucked in by it.”

    Senator Hanson-Young, who earlier this year was the only Australian Greens MP who confirmed publicly that she had downloaded the COVIDSafe app and urged others to do so, said the great hope of the current health challenge was that a vaccine could be found.

    ‘The internet and social media have become superspreaders of misinformation’
    SARAH HANSON-YOUNG
    GREENS SENATOR

  58. calli

    Why thank you, areff. Another word for my collection.

    The six-shooters are reholstered.

    Been one of those days.

  59. 132andBush

    Too much breakfast TV, calli?

  60. Boambee John

    Winston

    rabbits. Giant bloody carnivore rabbits with foot long willies that end up cross breeding with the Zombies of October.

    Russell Braddon, The Year of the Angry Rabbit?

  61. JC

    If there are any “differential diagnoses” of polio that are common today (spoiler alert: there are) then your comment is abject nonsense.

    Very good. You presented the Reeve Foundation as a source. Show us where the RF shows your assertion is taken into account, Which box?

  62. calli

    Nah, 132.

    What happens on the OOT stays on the OOT.

    Also, how can I be cranky when The Doors are playing?

  63. 1735099

    Do you understand what this means for the claim that “vaccination works”?

    The incidence rate of congenital deformities is influenced more by improved neonatal care than any other single factor.
    More of these severely and multiply impaired newborns are now surviving and are counted in the statistics which become the national incidence rate.
    To get better data we need an At-risk Register, but contemporary privacy legislation has put the kibosh on that.

  64. jupes

    Hey

    Thanks for that SM3. Great version.

  65. notafan

    Phooey numbers

    It’s far more greatly influenced by abortion.

    What do you think all those ultrasound are for

  66. JC

    And JC, I gave the reference to the CR foundation to prove an explicit claim. I don’t source opinions and conclusions I source data and observations.

    You’re talking past the gate. The links to the RF were data based. You’re now ignoring your own link and making shit up.

  67. Struth

    Just putting it out there.
    I’m not an anti vaccination individual.
    However, I’m looking at who wants to jab me from now on and for what reason.
    Aren’t we all fairly similar nowadays.
    This ain’t no high trust society no more, yo!

  68. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Before Disasterstan Dan sends you into unconsciousness

  69. jupes

    From the Oz today.
    Posted without comment.

    There seems just a touch of panic in that article from SHY. ” C’mon people, you must follow the science (we will tell you what that is)”. Could it be that the loons that the Greens attract, because they are a party of loons, are partial to any old bullshit theory even if it doesn’t follow the Greens’ loony “science”?

  70. jupes

    I’m not an anti vaccination individual.
    However, I’m looking at who wants to jab me from now on and for what reason.
    Aren’t we all fairly similar nowadays.

    I reckon so. I believe all babies should be vaccinated with the standard vaccines but I certainly won’t be first in line for the “miracle cure” if and when it is ever rolled out.

  71. Struth

    Empowerment is needed is some parts of the world. Lift your eyes over the horizon and see what the lot of women and children is in undeveloped places.

    So It’s a cultural thing and empowerment in those situations is laughable.
    Change the culture, or empower yourselves.

    Western women, by and large, have had sufficient attention. To the point of confected “inequality”.

    Too true.

    Others are not so fortunate.

    Too true.
    No culture change, no fair and decent treatment of women.
    Empowerment is a bullshit, actually sexist term.
    Men can control you anytime they feel like.
    Western women are not empowered, they are accepted by the greatest male of all times, the empathy driven, saint like, western white man as their bosses,….. er equals.

  72. Nick

    Strange how ‘the science’ never gets a run with gender dysfunction

  73. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry. But whatever piece of “evidence” you think you have on this issue JC, Mitch M, LL, Cassie and LS, it’s wrong. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Yeah.
    Fruitcake.

  74. Struth

    ‘The internet and social media have become superspreaders of misinformation’
    SARAH HANSON-YOUNG
    GREENS SENATOR

    Thank god being a member of the Greens gives you an insight into deciphering real news from fake news.
    Is it the only political party, or can you join any?

  75. calli

    Empowerment is a bullshit, actually sexist term.

    If I used a different word, would you agree with me?

    Say, educated? Given opportunities?

  76. Tel

    I reckon so. I believe all babies should be vaccinated with the standard vaccines but I certainly won’t be first in line for the “miracle cure” if and when it is ever rolled out.

    Now now Jupes … if you eat one food you must necessarily eat every food, else be regarded as anti-eating. Nuance not welcome round here!

  77. Bruce of Newcastle

    There seems just a touch of panic in that article from SHY. ” C’mon people, you must follow the science (we will tell you what that is)”.

    Telling people what the “science” is hasn’t been going well for the Greens. Here’re the recent Gallup poll results.

    American’s view of the most important problem in the US (7 Aug)

    Climate change/Environment/Pollution: 1%

    Dead motherless last even with environment and pollution wrapped in with it.

    (From here via Climate Dept)

  78. notafan

    Pretty obvious stuff Calli

  79. Struth

    Say, educated? Given opportunities?

    Would that involve a change of culture?

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Struth

    #3540809, posted on August 8, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    Just putting it out there.
    I’m not an anti vaccination individual.

    OK.
    My problem in today’s exchanges is with people suggesting that Bill Gates is some sort of Dr Mengele.

  81. Mitch M.

    We are doomed. I take some herbs, there can be value there but the idea that you need a full degree to understand herbs is absurd. It’s book work. Read and and learn. That’s all folks. Long overdue for a cleaning out of universities.

    https://www.torrens.edu.au/courses/health/western-herbal-medicine

  82. Megan

    This ain’t no high trust society no more, yo!

    This will be one of the most unexpected consequences of this entire deluded event. And one of the most far reaching, dangerous and damaging.

    Trust is easy to destroy but takes far, far longer to restore.

  83. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I’m not an antee vaccination indivegetable.

    Except when one is

  84. MatrixTransform

    The missus’ spazzBook group lost a Blu-hair who self removed.
    Blu-hair was gonna be kicked anyway but Blu-hair doesn’t know that.
    disruptive, proscriptive, pulling everything apart to suit her own very low bar
    she shit in her own nest.

    as a microcosm of things in general, this is great news.
    Mrs Normie, has had enough or her bullshit.

    The Labour Govt in Vic should pay attention.

    one by one the dumb fuckers are gonna start waking up
    I Stand With Dan is a thing?
    well … you can go down Dan too

    but what would I know?
    Ima dumb sparky
    stale, pale and male
    expert in nuffink
    blog wrecker

  85. Struth

    In the real world all you left wing females ( not you cat ladies) wanting empowerment………
    Here’s a fucking lesson for you, and you are learning it right now.
    Unfortunately.
    Right here with the tyranny imposed upon us men as well.
    Empowerment is not given, it’s taken, and because women don’t get that fact they are about to learn it the hard way.
    So STFU.
    The only time empowerment has been given in the history of humanity, is when white western men gave it to their women, and by god, are they going to pay for that now.

  86. Snoopy

    My problem in today’s exchanges is with people suggesting that Bill Gates is some sort of Dr Mengele.

    Having been tormented with Windows ME I’m not prepared to dismiss the possibility out of hand.

  87. Helen

    Bruce,

    While both male and female dingoes grew,

    Without reading the article because I rather watch videos of that delectable Laurence Fox talking, pure dingo now only has to have 87% dingo genetic material. And they are thinking of lowering it even further.

    Given that aborigines quickly cottoned on to the kangaroo dog, a larger, better type of hunting dog than the dingo and that has preference gone on for generations, together with heavier types of hunting dogs such as pig dogs in recent years, it is not surprising that overall size of wild dogs has increased.

    I suspect this is another of the anti types who want the dingo to flourish amongst the lambs and calves. A report recently published by NSW conservation, I think, was said that there was not enough baiting undertaken to have effective kill rates and recommended the number of baits be increased.

  88. Having been tormented with Windows ME

    It was abysmal. Then its ugly brother Windows 8 came along.

  89. We need to outlaw all human to human contact and never let anyone or anything into Australia ever again and we need to shoot on sight anyone who appears to be disobeying a government order.

  90. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    We need to outlaw all human to human contact and never let anyone or anything into Australia ever again and we need to shoot on sight anyone who appears to be disobeying a government order.

    Indeed, Mon …

  91. Leigh Lowe

    Legalise Sedition

    #3540835, posted on August 8, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    Having been tormented with Windows ME

    It was abysmal. Then its ugly brother Windows 8 came along

    Spoiler alert!
    It only gets worse.

  92. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    And no, I have not been munching on some o’ that “special cake”.

    Unfortunately.

  93. jupes

    Another great game in the AFL. Lions vs Bulldogs.

    The standard of this season has understandably been up and down but the best has been sublime. Some real classic matches.

  94. areff

    Premier Phlegm-on-the-footpath declined to say at a press conference this week if the first 30-year-old to die of COVID had anything else wrong with him, citing “family and privacy concerns”.

    Have any medically informed Cats heard anything about comorbidities involved, also re the second 30-something to shuffle off in today’s stats?

  95. C.L.

    Sound of Music on one of the frees.
    I always thought the Baroness was a bit of a hottie.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    Helen – Good food will do it too. I have a bunch of noisy miners that would be about 50% bigger than fully wild ones, because the Cafe Bruce ones have been getting abundant food from the day they hatched. Very noticeable the difference.

    I suspect with increased Green politicking that food in the bush has become more abundant for wild dingoes too. So they’re better fed. But I still like the idea of giant mutant dingoes who can soak up 1080 like vodka, it being 2020 and all.

  97. Struth

    If you are trying to influence the world to bend to your world view without putting it to the people and arguing it for them to decide democratically, but instead, rely on your money to push your ideology onto others , you are what’s technically known as a c…….detritus.
    Beware the modern “anthropologist” or “philanthropist”

  98. C.L.

    Premier Phlegm-on-the-footpath declined to say at a press conference this week if the first 30-year-old to die of COVID had anything else wrong with him, citing “family and privacy concerns”.

    Decoded: he was an 18 stone haemophiliac with asthma and diabetes.

  99. calli

    Would that involve a change of culture?

    Not necessarily, although it would be helpful in some circumstances.

    I’m contributing to the welfare and education of a little girl in the Philippines. They are Christians, but poor. I don’t want to change their culture, just their prospects.

    There was a story today about people from Morobe in PNG donating a huge (for them) amount to the bushfire victims. Another case of a poor culture that in some respects is superior to ours.

  100. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    medically informed Cats

    As opposed to

    … medically enhanced Cats … 😺

  101. Snoopy

    Premier Phlegm-on-the-footpath declined to say at a press conference this week if the first 30-year-old to die of COVID had anything else wrong with him, citing “family and privacy concerns”.

    Have any medically informed Cats heard anything about comorbidities involved, also re the second 30-something to shuffle off in today’s stats?

    Tertiary syphilis?

  102. jupes

    Sound of Music on one of the frees.

    Seriously CL?

  103. Boambee John:

    Russell Braddon, The Year of the Angry Rabbit?

    Remember it well – Australia rents out the outback for other nations to have their wars in.
    Great book. Out of print, and a copy will set you back $967.

  104. Helen

    Another case of a poor culture that in some respects is superior to ours.

    +100

  105. C.L.

    Everybody loves The Sound of Music.
    Come on, man.*
    —————–
    * Bidenism

  106. Struth:

    However, I’m looking at who wants to jab me from now on and for what reason.
    Aren’t we all fairly similar nowadays.
    This ain’t no high trust society no more, yo!

    When the vaccine comes out – if ever – I won’t be getting it.
    Why?
    For no other reason than that I feel a bit bloody minded.
    That’s all.

  107. feelthebern

    Waleed Aly’s missus thinks Disco Dan should do a children’s press conference.

  108. Jupes:

    There seems just a touch of panic in that article from SHY. ” C’mon people, you must follow the science (we will tell you what that is)”. Could it be that the loons that the Greens attract, because they are a party of loons, are partial to any old bullshit theory even if it doesn’t follow the Greens’ loony “science”?

    She’s frightened of the loss of control over the narrative.

  109. Tel

    Spoiler alert!
    It only gets worse.

    The corporate version of Windows 10 is not too bad … don’t use the “home” version, it’s loaded with crapware. Even to this day, Microsoft look down on the little people (although all tech companies do in their own way).

    I remember the old days: “It ain’t done till Netscape doesn’t run” and the browser wars where they installed a dirty winsock.dll that trashed the competition. I remember the years of Microsoft vs Linux where they would send out Internet trolls to spread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt telling people that Linux would never be reliable. Then there was what they did to Stacker, or the long battles over nonstandard file formats.

    It would be fair to point out that Apple also played dirty, starting lawsuits against Digital Research after copying the GUI design from Xerox. That’s cut-throat business, but at least with software you can reinstall and try again … not an option with your DNA.

  110. jupes

    Everybody loves The Sound of Music.
    Come on, man.*

    I must be a junkie*. I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than endure TSOM.

  111. Helen

    Good point Bruce re food, as a cattle breeder I should have been onto that – take out the competition and the rest get more and grow to their genetic potential.

    Lucky I have just received a half dozen dog traps to catch those giant mutant dogs lols. Yes, I am to become a trapper lady – but not one with a raccoon hat or anything Davy Crockett style. Just, hopefully, a very successful one that gets rid of the odd dogs that are feasting on my weaners.

  112. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Sound of Music on

    I’d rather watch Liza in Cabaret

  113. jupes

    She’s frightened of the loss of control over the narrative.

    That’s what I thought too.

  114. Nick

    Waleed Aly’s missus thinks Disco Dan should do a children’s press conference.

    At least he’d get to address those who voted for him.

  115. jupes

    Another great game in the AFL. Lions vs Bulldogs.

    I might have went “the early crow” on that one. Lions flogging them at half time.

  116. MatrixTransform

    finded it dog baits

    omg, seriously ?
    I was gonna suggest that earlier … back spaced over it

  117. Struth

    I’m contributing to the welfare and education of a little girl in the Philippines. They are Christians, but poor. I don’t want to change their culture, just their prospects.

    Culture is more than centuries of Islam adopting Christianity from the Spanish.
    Christianity has always believed you’re a rib of Adam’s.
    You are a wife there to serve your husbands, (according to much of the bible) so it requires more than Christianity to bring women up to white western women’s acceptance as equals, and maybe we are now learning just how incisive the bible is.
    You can’t covet thy neighbors wife if the wife isn’t property.

    Just putting it out there…………………………………………………………..

  118. Eyrie

    Bill Gates: College dropout makes good by becoming renowned for sharp business practices and crap software.

  119. Struth

    I’m contributing to the welfare and education of a little girl in the Philippines. They are Christians, but poor. I don’t want to change their culture, just their prospects.

    Culture is more than centuries of I sl a m adopting Christianity from the Spanish.
    Christianity has always believed you’re a rib of Adam’s.
    You are a wife there to serve your husbands, (according to much of the bible) so it requires more than Christianity to bring women up to white western women’s acceptance as equals, and maybe we are now learning just how incisive the bible is.
    You can’t covet thy neighbors wife if the wife isn’t property.

    Just putting it out there………………………………………………………….for the sake of argument
    But I’ve run out of wine.
    Must shuffle orf..

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce, I finded it dog baits

    Helen, yes – the article I put up suggests that baiting was allowing those few which remained to grow bigger. Whether they are actually resistant to 1080 or not I don’t know, but since it’s been used for a very long time it wouldn’t be surprising if some dingoes are gaining resistance.

  121. Eyrie

    Struth your last post on the old open forum reminded me of this:

    https://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechserenitymisbehave.htm

    This report is maybe 12 years old. Parliament buried it, and it stayed buried ’til River dug it up.

    This is what they feared she knew. And they were right to fear ’cause there’s a whole universe of folk who’re gonna know it, too. They’re gonna see it.

    Somebody has to speak for these people.

    Y’all got on this boat for different reasons, but y’all come to the same place. So now I’m askin’ more of you than I have before. Maybe all.

    As sure as I know anything, I know this: They will try again. Maybe on another world. Maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, 10, they’ll swing back to the belief that they can make people…better. And I do not hold to that.

    So no more runnin’.

    I aim to misbehave.

  122. Rockdoctor

    Premier Phlegm-on-the-footpath declined to say at a press conference this week if the first 30-year-old to die of COVID had anything else wrong with him, citing “family and privacy concerns”.

    Pretty disgraceful performance from jug ears. Some chick trying to get him to answer legitimate questions now ok’ed by the inquiry Justice, he just blathered BS never even intending to actually answer. Really journo’s and news outlets just need to just boycott his pressers. Why even give the oxygen thief a platform with legitimacy?

  123. Helen

    I dont think they could become resistant, Bruce, they are VERY susceptible/sensitive to it, we bait at 0.2mm per coke can sized bait and one is sufficient to kill a dog.

  124. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Disasterstan Dan Xi Man’s Yoof Choir going top note, somewhere in Viktoriastan …

  125. Tim Neilson

    Dirk
    #3540777, posted on August 8, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    Yes, exactly. The rate now, inclusive of every medical cause, is 1 in 100,000 – the actual POLIO stats pre vaccine were way higher than the all-inclusive stats now.
    Totally destroys your whole argument.

  126. Eyrie

    Helen, yes – the article I put up suggests that baiting was allowing those few which remained to grow bigger. Whether they are actually resistant to 1080 or not I don’t know, but since it’s been used for a very long time it wouldn’t be surprising if some dingoes are gaining resistance.

    Time for my nighttime stealth armed drones to take them out. I reckon I could find an army of gamers to operate the weapons systems. Besides, CASA would have head explosions.

  127. Helen

    Good point Bruce re food, as a cattle breeder I should have been onto that – take out the competition and the rest get more and grow to their genetic potential.

    Lucky I have just received a half dozen dog traps to catch those giant mutant dogs lols. Yes, I am to become a trapper lady – but not one with a raccoon hat or anything Davy Crockett style. Just, hopefully, a very successful one that gets rid of the odd dogs that are feasting on my weaners.

  128. Snoopy

    Why even give the oxygen thief a platform with legitimacy?

    It’s what they’re there for.

  129. Lannisters on fire at the Gabba.
    Great to have a bit of a crowd at these games interstate.
    The New Normal is not so bad.
    Comrades

  130. Nick

    The best comedy are the comments on social media defending Andrews.

  131. Helen

    Banned word before??

    Good point Bruce re food, as a cattle breeder I should have been onto that – take out the competition and the rest get more and grow to their genetic potential.

    Lucky I have just received a half dozen dog traps to catch those giant mutant dogs lols. Yes, I am to become a trapper lady – but not one with a fur hat or anything Davy Crockett style. Just, hopefully, a very successful one that gets rid of the odd dogs that are feasting on my weaners.

  132. Helen

    Yep, it was the animal that donated the fur to Davy Crockett’s hat.

    Goodnight long day and another tomorrow. 🙂

  133. thefrollickingmole

    I’m wagering 2020 will finally bring about the enslavement and sexual concubinage of humanity to giant dickwolves.
    Like regular wolves only bigger and much much more Papey.

  134. Need some fresh ideas for a punchy message to get out into public spaces in prominent places?
    Thought the Saturday night crew would deliver.
    Go!

  135. Top Ender

    The awful reality behind The Sound of Music:

    Christopher Plummer, who played Captain von Trapp, hated the film so much that he called it The Sound of Mucus or S&M. “Because it was so awful and sentimental and gooey,” he said. “You had to work terribly hard to try and infuse some minuscule bit of humour into it.” Throughout production, he drowned his sorrows in Salzburg’s many taverns, developing a fondness for schnapps and pastries, which caused him to gain so much weight that his costumes had to be let out.

    On the commentary of the 35th anniversary edition of the DVD, Plummer admitted that he was dead drunk during the music festival sequence. “I was a pampered, arrogant, young bastard spoiled by too many great theatre roles,” he said.

    Link

  136. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Need some fresh ideas for a punchy message to get out into public spaces in prominent places?

    End This Now

    Or Else

    🤬

  137. Bruce of Newcastle

    I dont think they could become resistant, Bruce, they are VERY susceptible/sensitive to it

    Or maybe Helen they’ve learned to avoid the smell? Critters are very adaptable, like those crows who’ve learned how to eat cane toads.

  138. Mega:

    This will be one of the most unexpected consequences of this entire deluded event. And one of the most far reaching, dangerous and damaging.

    Trust is easy to destroy but takes far, far longer to restore.

    So true, Megan. It takes many generations for a culture to move from a low to high trust model, but only one to go the other way.
    Scientists, Police, School teachers, bureaucrats, politicians, charitable organisations.
    Remember when politicians were considered worthy of trust? That they put the country first?
    Scientists have been badly burnt by the Climate Change boondoggle.
    School teachers have sold out to the ideologues, and Universities are as full of contempt for us as we are for them. Charities, when not paying out million dollar salaries for their directorships, are being bled dry by sections of the community who can never get enough charity. The spectacle of one charity driving away while another turns up at an address is not uncommon from rumours.
    But the worst breach of trust has been from the Police. We can understand the way most would feel about revenue collecting, but we are now seeing the infiltration of a rather peculiar specimen – the arrogant copper who wouldn’t have passed the first interview a generation ago, and who feels it is his duty to muster the sheep even if they don’t have to follow, nor want to.
    The politicization of law enforcement through the WZV episode has caused damage between the citizen and the police that will take a decade to heal.

  139. Tintarella di Luna

    Sound of Music on one of the frees.
    I always thought the Baroness was a bit of a hottie.

    The delightful and beautiful Eleanor Parker, the clothes she wore in that movie were absolutely stunning, and she certainly wore them well.

  140. thefrollickingmole

    Dans little helper ( with corona logo)

    Dan “ bad touch” Andrews presents a made in China production “ that’s Armageddon”

    Dan, have some viagra eye drops and take a hard look at yourself

  141. Tintarella di Luna

    The awful reality behind The Sound of Music:

    and an awful rumour that he’d had some kind of not very fatherly relationship with Charmain Carr who played the oldest Von Trapp daughter Liesl

  142. Cassie of Sydney

    I rather watch videos of that delectable Laurence Fox talking”

    Well said Helen….he is both scrumptious and sublime…Laurence is one of my heroes. He is a class act.

  143. thefrollickingmole

    Dan, Xi or liberty?

  144. thefrollickingmole

    Ha! Missed me

  145. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Smite’

    Really?

    Just got back and was reading through. I had a question about whether the Black Prince was Yamnya and everything.

  146. Cassie of Sydney

    Qui est smite?

  147. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Is this thing on?

  148. thefrollickingmole

    Ask not for whom the doom lord tolls, he tolls for Birdee.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    Although, props to Mitch M at 6.48 for this kaboom:

    ‘arrogance because you are claiming to have some special knowledge which you aren’t willing to reveal and in my world that means you’re a fucking idiot.’

    Which brought to mind hoisting a small dog in the air with a bayonet through the leg, and watching it carefully before management delivered the coup de gras.

  150. mem

    About 70% of the Earth’s post-1980s vegetative greening trend has been driven by CO2 fertilization. More greening has offset or reversed 29% of recent anthropogenic CO2 emissions. Greening also has a net cooling effect on surface temperatures. No need for Paris accord after all. We have all been saved by nature. https://notrickszone.com/2020/08/06/new-study-rising-co2-drives-post-1980s-greening-which-cools-the-earth-and-offsets-29-of-human-emissions/

  151. Knuckle Dragger

    Some talk earlier of France reigniting its bastard imperialism in the Levant.

    Fairly confident I read somewhere that before it was brought back from the ME for the New Guinea campaigns, the 7th Division 2nd AIF kicked a whole pile of Vichy French arse in Lebanon.

    Dog River, I believe.

  152. Knuckle Dragger

    Cassie at 5.37;

    ‘Is there any “pleasant” billionaire?’

    Not yet. But there will be, as soon as I join The Club. And I’ll be very pleasant indeed. Because I’ll be a billionaire.

  153. Rex Anger

    @ Tel-

    While I am late to the party regarding clotting properties of certain virus particles, a number of substrains of influenzavirus also produce haemagglutinin proteins. The net effect is perhaps not as bad as the virions.you’re describing, but it is a useful way of detecting indluenza.

    I remember doing experiments using sheep’s blood in an Immunology Residential School at Charles Sturt Uni in 2009. Various titres of influenzavirus-containing fluid were added to small vials of sheep blood, given a little time to work their thing, then we set out examining the effects.

    The strongest concentrations of influenzavirus collected almost all the red blood cells out of the plasma, leaving a small clump in the middle.of.the vial. Pretty.impressive stuff.

    What was more spectacular was one of the students.unexpectedly going into anaphylactic shock in the middle of a lecture. Best possible place she could have done it- 90% plus of.the students in that lecture theatre were qualified nurses. Poor lecturer was a bit shellshocked, but just another day on the range, as it were, for the students…

  154. Nick

    ‘Is there any “pleasant” billionaire

    I know one who is very pleasant .

  155. JC

    The idea that either Gates, or even Microsoft for that matter, wants to see a fall in world population is so illogical, so freaking crazy that people who believe this should be placed in psychiatric care as they’re not well.
    Leaving Gate aside as he has little to do with Microsoft anymore, the reason the firm has a market cap of $1.6 trillion is because it’s done amazing things on the commercial side – B2B. Microsoft sells software at scale and multiples cheaper to businesses and enterprises. It mass scaled software, whereas previously large enterprises were forced to buy bespoke systems from the likes of IBM etc at huge prices. Microsoft has taken this business away and made it much cheaper. They are an incredible firm. They should be applauded for what they’ve done to large scale software. The consumer side is a fraction of Microsoft’s revenues.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The awful reality behind The Sound of Music:

    My compliments, Top Ender, and thank you – I’ve always loathed that film.

  157. Rockdoctor

    Winston, couple of my observations.

    Remember when politicians were considered worthy of trust? That they put the country first?

    Some still around, Latho comes to mind.

    Scientists have been badly burnt by the Climate Change boondoggle.

    Yup agree and so arrogant they still don’t see the proverbial they are peddling… Newsflash any science that has an error rate at a couple of hundred percent and not the decimals that are the norm I start to get uneasy about.

    School teachers have sold out to the ideologues, and Universities are as full of contempt for us as we are for them.

    Yup, again agree because when I am sitting a related 10yo next to my desktop to counter a “truth” their teacher told them with the actual truth found in a fraction second google search then we have a problem. Don’t even start me on Uni’s & their kowtowing to whatever power pays the bills or whatever trend gets people into courses.

    Charities, when not paying out million dollar salaries for their directorships, are being bled dry by sections of the community who can never get enough charity. The spectacle of one charity driving away while another turns up at an address is not uncommon from rumours.

    Friend who is ex-Regular Army has to report FBT on a subsidised home loan, now out said active service subsidised home loan he has to pay FBT on. CEO’s of charities are exempt? Honestly, WTF? As for the second part, I lived in a street in Townsville where we had some low life chick getting multiple food packs from different charities despite chain smoking durries & generally being a pisspot all day long. She was reported by a neighbour who had really had enough after a while to said charities, they didn’t care. Take it from me they aren’t rumours…

    But the worst breach of trust has been from the Police. We can understand the way most would feel about revenue collecting, but we are now seeing the infiltration of a rather peculiar specimen – the arrogant copper who wouldn’t have passed the first interview a generation ago, and who feels it is his duty to muster the sheep even if they don’t have to follow, nor want to.
    The politicization of law enforcement through the WZV episode has caused damage between the citizen and the police that will take a decade to heal.

    IMO having worked in Asia seeing the contempt police are held with there the damage is terminal & will never be recovered. These robust take downs of absolute “tits” (Cause that what they are) in Victoria is dumb, body cam footage has a face; so why not follow into the car park and take numberplate. Then later sending fine to offender who they will be able to cross reference to body cam footage by drivers licence facial recognition software that Dan ordered to happen in March this year? These “tits” not getting their 15 seconds of fame would soon stop pushing these stunts when fines start arriving without fanfare in the mailbox. (Disclaimer: Am not justifying Dan’s approach here)

    BTW, nice looking day in Barccy today from what I saw in the pub on Sky Racing. Wet & dreary here…

  158. Boambee John

    Winston

    Remember it well – Australia rents out the outback for other nations to have their wars in.
    Great book. Out of print, and a copy will set you back $967.

    Bluddee hell, I should have kept mine!

  159. MatrixTransform

    will successfully eliminate more than 90 per cent of wild dogs

    so 1x the bait kills 50% of the dogs
    and 4x the bait only kilts 90%
    recommend using 40 bait/km2

    and the undead 10% are gonna?

    … breed and have more food

    just sayin’

  160. JC

    Eyrie
    #3540875, posted on August 8, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Bill Gates: College dropout makes good by becoming renowned for sharp business practices and crap software.

    Eyrie

    Microsoft is the second most valuable business in the world after Apple. It’s lowered software costs to enterprises by multiples. It’s a remarkable firm run by a remarkable CEO.

  161. Top Ender

    Playing for Time now available on Netflix.

    With the always impressive Vanessa Redgrave.

    Based on acclaimed musician Fania Fénelon’s autobiography The Musicians of Auschwitz. Vanessa Redgrave stars as Fénelon.

    Playing for Time was based on Fénelon’s experience as a female prisoner in the Auschwitz concentration camp, where she and a group of classical musicians were spared in return for performing music for their captors.

  162. JC

    I love these stories. They’re American to the core.

    To Ronald Read, however, money was possibility. Mr. Read spent decades pumping gas and working as a janitor in Brattleboro, Vt. After he died in 2014 at the age of 92, his estate was able to give more than $6 million to local charities—because he had scrimped and put every spare penny into stocks that he held for decades.

    How, asks Mr. Housel, did a janitor “with no college degree, no training, no background, no formal experience and no connections massively outperform” many professional investors?

    More here on Ronald.

    Route to an $8 Million Portfolio Started With Frugal Living
    After Ronald Read’s death, friends were surprised by his wealth. His top stockholdings included Wells Fargo, Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

  163. Tel

    While I am late to the party regarding clotting properties of certain virus particles, a number of substrains of influenzavirus also produce haemagglutinin proteins. The net effect is perhaps not as bad as the virions.you’re describing, but it is a useful way of detecting indluenza.

    Interesting, thanks for that. Influenza is an underestimated virus, when you consider how many people it kills on a normal basis.

  164. twostix

    Bill Gates and the rest of the uber bugman class are modern eugenicists.

    They’re terrified of overpopulation, regard humans as a “virus” on the ecosystem and their work in India and Africa is specifically about reducing that problem which they hide in reducing “poverty” programs (always about preventing women having babies)

    This time last century they would have been running programs to forcefully sterilize poor women.

    This stuff isn’t in the least bit controversial or even debated, I mean they’re out there all the time talking about it. Here’s Bob Carr for instance:

    Carr:

    Black Africa is not enjoying economic growth, most of the economies are going backwards, the social and economic indicators are getting worse.

    Interviewer:

    So what sort of things should they be doing? What should Australia be doing to help?

    Carr:

    Well, all our foreign aid has got to be made dependent on population control policies in these countries

  165. Mark A

    Gold news, (if still news?)

    Novo Resources has pulled a rabbit out of a hat by snapping up Millennium Minerals and its Golden Eagle gold processing plant at Nullagine in WA. The bold move sets the stage for the company to become Australia’s first conglomerate gold producer.

  166. JC

    Stix

    Nice way of putting it backwards to score a cheap point. How about looking at it this way. By improving health outcome, assisting in reducing poverty, the natural outcome is less population as people tend to have less kids.

  167. JC

    Lets try this line.

    A larger number of people here are ardent anti-immigration and most certainly everyone is against illegal immigration. There’s an argument at the Cat that Europe will be swamped with Africans on the linear prediction that Europe is depopulating while the median age in Africa is around 18. In other words it’s a continent of kids while Europe is a continent of old geezers.

    If you’re really concerned about Africa’s population zooming, then don’t you want to see Gates policies of improving health and raising living standards? Isn’t that the cleanest way of reducing population growth?

    The logic fails here are incredible at times.

  168. twostix

    How about looking at it this way. By improving health outcome, assisting in reducing poverty, the natural outcome is less population as people tend to have less kids.

    White people aren’t having any kids so that’s worked out well.

  169. Mark A

    Rockdoctor
    #3540924, posted on August 8, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    Winston, couple of my observations.

    Remember when politicians were considered worthy of trust? That they put the country first?

    Some still around, Latho comes to mind.

    Remember Menzies?
    Think of him what you like but he didn’t even own a house after many years in parliament.
    The libs. bought one for them after he retired.

    Compare that with present day politicians, here or in the US.
    On a few 100 thou salary they manage to amass mega millions.

  170. twostix

    If you’re really concerned about Africa’s population zooming, then don’t you want to see Gates policies of improving health and raising living standards? Isn’t that the cleanest way of reducing population growth?

    We should support Gate’s tireless work to make africans stop breeding so they don’t swamp our dying countries?

    There’s nothing at all eugenics like going on under the surface of this mode of thinking 🤣

  171. JC

    White people aren’t having any kids so that’s worked out well.

    “White people” are having less kids and NOT no kids. “White people” are also living longer, which means something different to what you’re suggesting.

  172. rickw

    Southbend Shaper evaluation, also good if you miss your old metal shop teacher!

  173. Knuckle Dragger

    When he’s not wearing dildos in public or spewing on pot plants, Brendan Fevola can make quite the point:

    ‘Former Carlton star Brendan Fevola has blown his stack at the self entitled behaviour of players in the AFL’s Queensland hub, saying they should get their heads “out of their arses.”

    ‘Fevola unleashed on the widely discussed diva-like behaviour of some players and partners who have reportedly made exhaustive requests to the AFL such as asking for a puppy, needing new mattresses, wanting the league to reimburse them for Coles online orders and requesting nannies.

    ‘“I don’t want to go stacks on the footballer players because I was one and it is tough because I don’t want to pot them and them not to talk to me,” Fevola told his Fifi, Fev and Byron audience Friday. “But some of these AFL players are absolutely kidding themselves.’

    ‘“Some players have asked for support for babysitting because they are used to having a nanny, well you don’t need a babysitter because the fact is, you can’t go anywhere, so look after your kids, be parents, that is what parents do.”’

    Bravo, sir.

  174. JC

    The problem for Africa is this, as I see it. Africa has a much improved health outcome brought about by the introduction of life saving and life improving western medicine. For most of Africa, this isn’t running in tandem with rising living standards as a result of fast economic growth. In terms of potential, economic growth is anemic.
    In contrast to the West, we saw medical improvements combined with fast economic growth and the end result was less children being born.

    Population growth in Africa continues to progress as they aren’t seeing economic growth while the importation of western medicine is keeping more people alive. This potentially a very big problem unless they do something quickly about economic growth.

    If reducing population growth as a result of couples having less children due to faster economic is eugenics , as you call it stix, then the term has lost all meaning.

  175. twostix

    Possibly the easiest way to stop African population zooming is if dumb shit middleclass wankers stopped sending Africans billions of dollars of free money and shit each year.

    The dumbest thing I’ve ever witnessed was an old woman boomer – this was ten years ago so in her 50’s, telling us that she was going over to Africa to help dig wells.

    Right.

    Chicken jiblet arms wobbling she explains to the table that she does it every other year.

    The obvious question was don’t Africans have men and boys who can dig a well? Can’t they use a shovel? They need fat old women from rural NSW to get on a plane, fly on that plane around the world in order to physically sink a bore for them? What the hell is going on here?

    Then there was this.

    The International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED) says up to US$360m has been spent on building boreholes and wells that then become useless because they are not maintained or fixed when they break down. As a result, 50,000 water supply points are not functioning across rural Africa.

    According to the report only one third of water points built by NGOs in Senegal’s Kaolack region are working and 58% of water points in northern Ghana are in disrepair.

    Clown universe!

  176. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3540905, posted on August 8, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    Smite

    Crushing news, Faulty.
    ‘Tis not I.
    Let’s talk again tomorrow.
    Sweet dreams.

  177. Rex Anger

    When he’s not wearing dildos in public or spewing on pot plants, Brendan Fevola can make quite the point:

    Now now, spewing on plants (potted or not) is not the sole province of disreputable boofheads. Us reputable ones do it, too…

    I once threw up on a rosebush on a farm/museum site in South Africa on the final night of a Heritage Festival/Steam Rally in 2017, having been put onto a lethal mix of Castle Lager (The Aussie contingent drank all the Milk Stout on the first night!), Some other lager and a very nice Dry Red commissioned from a Bloemfontein or Ficksburg winery by the South African Armoured Corps.

    When I went back again in 2019, the rosebush was gone. Dead. Poisoned. Burned. Replaced with something that looked like a geranium. Hopefully a much more robust plant.

    It is the only time in my life I have ever been hung over. And it is something I will never do again.

    Old Steam Loco crews and ex-tankies can be very evil people. Good times… 😊

  178. Tel

    In contrast to the West, we saw medical improvements combined with fast economic growth and the end result was less children being born.

    If you are talking about the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th Centuries in Europe, there were lot of wars … each one worse than the last. Africa has had a heap of fairly savage tribal infighting, but they have never seen the mass organised warfare that Europe went through … not saying they should do, but war was the method that ended up being the population control of the West.

  179. C.L.

    Plummer later dialed back the cliched jaded luvvie routine:

    However, [Christopher Plummer] admits that [Sound of Music] itself was well made and is proud to be associated with a film with such mass appeal. “But it was a very well-made movie, and it’s a family movie and we haven’t seen a family movie, I don’t think, on that scale for ages.”

    It’s a fine film with fine civilisational and Christian values.

  180. JC

    Possibly the easiest way to stop African population zooming is if dumb shit middleclass wankers stopped sending Africans billions of dollars of free money and shit each year.

    And this isn’t included as a form of eugenics with the respect to the wide berth you gave the term upthread?

    Rather than not being born because people are wanting/having less kids, you’d rather see them die off from disease and hunger. Right.

  181. rickw

    The obvious question was don’t Africans have men and boys who can dig a well? Can’t they use a shovel? They need fat old women from rural NSW to get on a plane, fly on that plane around the world in order to physically sink a bore for them? What the hell is going on here?

    One of the interns in or UK office was finishing up and heading to Africa to build a school. I pointed out to him that it would consist of him working in the blazing hot sun while the locals sat in the shade and watched him. When he got back I bumped into him at the pub and asked him what it was like: “Like you said it would be…..”. I pissed myself laughing!

  182. rickw

    It’s a fine film with fine civilisational and Christian values.

    It’s about singing Nazi’s!!😂

  183. Mark A

    twostix
    #3540953, posted on August 8, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    Not interested in a debate about African population in general but your quote about well digging caught my eyes.

    When employed there in different places, the company I worked for, as a good will gesture, sunk many bores for the local population including simple pumping systems easy to maintain with hand tools if needed.

    As you quoted, after a very short time hardly any of them operated.
    Belonged to nobody but everybody, it wasn’t looked after by anybody.
    Culture matters.

  184. JC

    …but war was the method that ended up being the population control of the West.

    I don’t think you can argue that unless you can show the large scale wars in Europe caused much more death and destruction than frequent tribal wars marked by killing, pillaging and rape. You need evidence.

    In the mid 90s a million people died in Rwanda. That would have been more than 10% of its population dying in a short time.

  185. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Belonged to nobody but everybody, it wasn’t looked after by anybody.
    Culture matters.’

    A bit like the indig cattle stations/animal starvation camps in the Kimberley.

  186. cohenite

    Gates’ father was the head of planned parenthood and gates has an association with john holdren who was obuma’s scientific advisor and a misanthrope who advocated forced sterilization:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-10-07/warming_to_misanthropy/39750

    Gates was also the inspiration for the villain Valentine in Kingsman:

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2015/03/kingsman-most-subversive-anti-agw-movie.html

  187. twostix

    “White people” are having less kids and NOT no kids. “White people” are also living longer, which means something different to what you’re suggesting.

    Why are you putting white people in quotes that’s weird.

    And I say again, white people are having no kids, previously that meant not enough to sustain us as a people in our respective countries, but now I can definitively say huge chunks of white people are literally having no children.

    You say it’s material wealth and western medicine to blame for causing this, which is funny because so do and so does Bill Gates – we all agree!

  188. Leigh Lowe

    So.
    This week we see Brendan Fevola and Nick Kyrgios as the voices of reason.
    We are truly living in a parallel universe.

  189. JC

    Gates’ father was the head of planned parenthood

    Interesting, so the father’s sins accrue to the son. Include that in “My struggle”.

    and gates has an association with john holdren who was obuma’s scientific advisor and a misanthrope who advocated forced sterilization:

    Has Gates ever advocated forced sterilization?

    Your form of argument are always cheap smears. No fucking wonder, you claim to be a divorce lawyer. Your work is cheap smears if your claim is true.

    Leaving aside Alex Jones accusations, present evidence Gates is peddling eugenics in Africa.

    Go!

  190. cohenite

    Go!

    I’m off to bed ; you’ll have to touch yourself up head prefect.

  191. Mitch M.

    twostix
    #3540953, posted on August 8, 2020 at 10:44 pm
    Possibly the easiest way to stop African population zooming is if dumb shit middleclass wankers stopped sending Africans billions of dollars of free money and shit each year.

    The dumbest thing I’ve ever witnessed was an old woman boomer – this was ten years ago so in her 50’s, telling us that she was going over to Africa to help dig wells.

    Right.

    I have long written off Africa, South America, and the Middle East because I can’t see how those regions can overcome their current problems and undergo the necessary cultural and moral changes to move forward. Education without economic growth and opportunity results in the best and brightest emigrating, making the situation even worse for those who remain.

  192. JC

    Why are you putting white people in quotes that’s weird.

    Just partially quoting you

    Here:

    White people aren’t having any kids so that’s worked out well.

    And I say again, white people are having no kids, previously that meant not enough to sustain us as a people in our respective countries, but now I can definitively say huge chunks of white people are literally having no children.

    I told you before you can’t look at just the birthrate over the long term without making equal assumptions on longevity, which is a function of technology. We pretend to know the lineal population in 2100 given the projected birthrate. What’s the expected life span then? Do you know? Anything past 30 year projections is bullshit.

    You say it’s material wealth and western medicine to blame for causing this, which is funny because so do and so does Bill Gates – we all agree!

    Well you don’t really, do you? On the one hand you’re blaming Gates for eugenics and on the other you’d like to see less medical assistance to Africa so the population dies off. I guess you’re version of eugenics is better than Gates? 🙂

  193. JC

    cohenite
    #3540971, posted on August 8, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    Go!

    I’m off to bed ; you’ll have to touch yourself up head prefect.

    Altnerate version: Sorry JC, I’m a bigmouthed idiot.

  194. John A

    Bruce of Newcastle #3540515, posted on August 8, 2020, at 4:33 pm

    Poisonous giant mutant dingoes:

    Dingoes have gotten around 6-9 per cent bigger over the past 80 years, new research from UNSW and the University of Sydney shows — but the growth is only happening in areas where poison baiting is used. (Science Direct, 3 Aug, via the Oz)

    While both male and female dingoes grew, female dingoes had the biggest growth spurt: their skulls increased by 4.5 millimetres, which is almost 9 per cent body mass. Male skulls grew by 3.6 millimetres, or 6 per cent body mass.

    The question is: why are dingoes in poison-baited areas growing?

    Public interest declaration: I am biased against dingoes expanding their populations.
    My answer: statistical variation, not adaptation, plausible scenario thus:
    . Older, more cunning dingoes are trap- and bait-shy.
    . Younger, and smaller, dingoes are thus more likely to take a bait and die sooner.
    . The dingo population trends to older, larger beasts.
    . Measurements over time appear to show that the average size of the animals is increasing.
    . Plotting the bell curve shows a shift to the right.

    Options:
    . Test the data by checking the age distributions over time of the dingos sampled for the study.
    . Test the dingos for resistance to bait poison.
    . Test the data for seasonal variations in the dingo population, possibly caused by changes in weather patterns, or expansion of human populations and thus, available food sources.

  195. JC

    MitchM

    The world is replete with nations moving up and down the income scale over the long term. Nothing is ever set in stone about humans.

  196. JC

    Tell me Mitch, in 1990 would you have picked China having GDP of around $10 trillion in 2020? In 1985, pundits were picking Japan as the ascendant super power.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Lame pics.

    Always enjoy your Lame pics, Mark A, thank you..

  198. JC

    Yea, you mention it nearly every evening, Rones. Annoying repetition isn’t your worst trait, though.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3540978, posted on August 8, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    A faint porch light is still on – in Poland

    I think there are lights on in a number of places.
    Poland.
    Hungary.
    Croatia.
    What on earth could there be in their recent history which is driving this?

  200. Steve trickler

    Going back in time. 2016.



  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Top Ender.

  202. incoherent rambler

    Meanwhile tyranny is alive and well in Viktoristan.

    Let me out!

  203. Mitch M.

    JC
    #3540980, posted on August 8, 2020 at 11:26 pm
    Tell me Mitch, in 1990 would you have picked China having GDP of around $10 trillion in 2020? In 1985, pundits were picking Japan as the ascendant super power.

    Northern Asians work hard, act collectively, and are smart. African nations are divided culturally and ethnically, don’t have the same work ethic, are not as smart, and are much less inclined to act collectively. Asian and European nations have long had populations working towards a common purpose. Perhaps I’m too pessimistic but I just don’t see the same qualities magically emerging in regions of the world where for so long now they have remain mired in ethnic conflicts, a lack of industralisation and entrepreneurship, and don’t appear to have the same creative and cognitive potential we see in northern Asia and Europe as a whole.

  204. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Meanwhile tyranny is alive and well in Viktoristan.

    Let me out!

    I’m off, with the Memsahib, tomorrow, for lunch, in the Swan Valley. Looks like being an excellent lunch, with a couple of glasses of good wallop thrown in.

    Victoria? Wheres that?

  205. JC

    and don’t appear to have the same creative and cognitive potential we see in northern Asia and Europe as a whole.

    Huh. What creativity do you see in China or Japan doe that matter?

  206. JC

    Where was she born, rones? We forgot.

  207. MatrixTransform

    Victoria? Wheres that?

    don’t drink and drive

  208. Mitch M.

    Huh. What creativity do you see in China or Japan doe that matter?

    Engineering and mathematics. Japan in particular excels in both. Same as South Korea. Samsung! TSMC(Taiwan): best lithography in the world, essentially a Chinese population.

    In the biomed literature I read Asian names are increasingly populating the author list.

  209. johanna

    See there was some discussion of LSD and other such substances earlier.

    Rage has a psychedelic rock special on. Currently playing Pink Floyd, Echoes, live at Pompeii.

    Memories!

  210. Zyconoclast

    One of the interns in or UK office was finishing up and heading to Africa to build a school. I pointed out to him that it would consist of him working in the blazing hot sun while the locals sat in the shade and watched him. When he got back I bumped into him at the pub and asked him what it was like: “Like you said it would be…..”. I pissed myself laughing!

  211. Beachcomber

    Leigh Lowe
    #3540983, posted on August 8, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    I think there are lights on in a number of places.
    Poland.
    Hungary.
    Croatia.
    What on earth could there be in their recent history which is driving this?

    The lights are well and truly out in Australia. They have been extinguished by the complete Leftist capture of the institutions: political, media, Universities et. al.

    Covid-1984 is their dream weapon.

  212. MatrixTransform

    when everybody else had forgotten who he was
    in the 90’s, I used to see Mark Gillespie and Ross Hannaford play together for free at The Dan O’Connell
    blessed

  213. Steve trickler

    A lot to digest with this performance. Can you keep up?



  214. Tom

    Lots of splendid laughs out loud in Week In Pictures.

  215. Struth

    JC
    Brown people breeding is a problem for Gates because he’s a climate loon and he’s on about it again today.
    He funds Davos global socialists and is heavily invested in vaccines with Fauci.
    He and his wife look at population reduction for the good of the planet rather than empowering women.
    When the ultra rich start bypassing democracy using their money for political outcomes and fund political operatives especially global socialists the best cure is a bullet.
    And in a few months from now once peaceful people that let these rich loons force their bullshit on others will be only too pleased to pull the trigger.
    But slaves under socialism will never get the chance.

  216. Struth

    Thanks Tom.
    Week in Pictures always one I look at all the way through.

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