Open Forum: August 8, 2020

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  1. 132andBush

    notafan,
    I realise you were being a bit sarcastic but there can be no doubt the Dems are using the virus as a huge cudgel to smack Trump.

  2. 1735099

    Posting under your Regimental Number no longer cuts the mustard.

    That really gets on your wick – doesn’t it?
    Especially when an alleged fearless warrior like you lacks the courage to disclose yours (if you ever actually had one).
    I didn’t ask for that number, so I reckon I case use it any way I please.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    notafan

    #3542335, posted on August 10, 2020 at 8:50 am

    LL


    And there was that book recommendation.

    Book recommendation?
    I missed that one.
    Got a link?

  4. Struth

    We know what level of Tyranny Notaclue will accept, and once that point is reached, she’ll write a stern letter disagreeing with any increase (insanity)

    But you Frank, what’s your level of Tyranny before you could be brought out from sneering at the sidelines?

    Or to give it a Notaclue way of putting it………. How many suicides are you prepared to accept before you stop the sarcasm and fear?

  5. Leigh Lowe

    Struth

    #3542348, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:01 am

    What grand plan

    It’s on The Big Websites.

  6. MemoryFault

    It doesn’t mention any timeline or trigger points where violence might become necessary.

    Read my post almost directly above yours.
    You’ve already made an idiot of yourself here on this, Low Lowe. A few times now.
    Why don’t you quit while you’re behind?

  7. Leigh Lowe

    I repeat Faulty and Struth.
    1. Does the current situation warrant “violence and armed resistance”?
    2. If so, are you both willing to take part in “violence and armed resistance”.
    3. If not, what circumstances would justify “violence and armed resistance”?

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Especially when an alleged fearless warrior like you lacks the courage to disclose yours (if you ever actually had one).

    More popcorn, anyone? Twenty quid on Mater.

  9. Struth

    It doesn’t mention any timeline or trigger points where violence might become necessary.
    If “violence and armed resistances” aren’t imminent, what would those future trigger points be?

    Exactly, now you are getting it.
    None are stated, just that it “may come to it”
    That it may.
    We hope not, but it may.

    Precisely because there is no timeline or trigger point mentioned, there is no incitement , urging, just a statement it may come to that.
    And that put you in a spin, where you couldn’t think straight.
    Where hysteria blocks your ability to read and comprehend.
    So again, calm down.

  10. thefrollickingmole

    I didn’t have the moral fortitude to refuse that number, so I reckon I case use it any way I please.

    FIFY.

    Youll have to forgive Wang, hes been overstimulated by the sight of a dead American and cant stop COOOOMMMMIIINNNGGG!!!!

  11. mh

    The Age

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    So the Victorian lockdown has some way to go.

  12. Leigh Lowe

    April – July : “We are mad as hell, we got weapons and we’re not afraid to use ’em!!!”
    August : “Well, ah, um … not me personally. I was just saying that someone else might do something … sometime.”

  13. MemoryFault

    If not, what circumstances would justify “violence and armed resistance”?

    I repeat:
    Probably not.
    Because nearly everybody else here knows the discussion was about when the State starts to impose its will by military force. Given that the military is now being openly deployed, not to mention that armed police are now smashing windows and dragging people out of their cars, that time might be closer than we think.

    What are you and your little band of denigrators going to do then, Low Lowe?
    Join Numbers in throwing flower petals at them? Hold hands and sing Kumbeyah?

  14. Leigh Lowe

    Exactly, now you are getting it.
    None are stated, just that it “may come to it”
    That it may.
    We hope not, but it may

    We are re-branding comrades.
    We are now “Revolution Lite”.

  15. feelthebern

    If “violence and armed resistances” aren’t imminent, what would those future trigger points be?

    If only there was a website that outlined all of this.

  16. Struth

    I repeat Faulty and Struth.
    1. Does the current situation warrant “violence and armed resistance”?
    2. If so, are you both willing to take part in “violence and armed resistance”.
    3. If not, what circumstances would justify “violence and armed resistance”?

    I’m answering for myself only.

    Does the current situation warrant “violence and armed resistance”?

    Most definitely, but am I advocating it, no.

    If so, are you both willing to take part in “violence and armed resistance”.

    Not at the moment, it would be stupid.

    If not, what circumstances would justify “violence and armed resistance”?<

    As I answered yes to the first question take the current situation as the circumstances that would justify it.

    Why am I not interested in armed resistance now and not advocating for it?
    The nation is filled with Notafans and Franks and so it would be futile.

    Simples.

  17. MemoryFault

    Where hysteria blocks your ability to read and comprehend.

    Not hysteria, Struth.
    Malice.
    Low Lowe is a man with a mission. That much is obvious.
    The only thing we don’t know is his motivation.

  18. Leigh Lowe

    WADDA WE WANT!!!
    someone to do something.
    WHEN DO WE WANT IT!!!
    soon. Either August 26th or September 8th.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Lowe is a man with a mission. That much is obvious.
    The only thing we don’t know is his motivation

    Money.
    I am a paid agent provocateur.

  20. Struth

    April – July : “We are mad as hell, we got weapons and we’re not afraid to use ’em!!!”

    Notafan is teaching you well.

  21. Helen

    Yes calli, it was very sad. A terrible battle and such a loss.

  22. MemoryFault

    If only there was a website that outlined all of this.

    Build it yourself.
    Or see Low Lowe.
    He knows some Mexicans who will do it for you dirt cheap.

  23. 132andBush

    Especially when an alleged fearless warrior like you lacks the courage to disclose yours (if you ever actually had one).

    Hahahaha!
    Oh dear.

  24. Struth

    LL, you’ve lost this morning, and all you know have left is obfuscation, exaggeration and low grade sarcasm.

    But I’m sure that won’t stop you for a second.
    It never does Notafan.

  25. MemoryFault

    All you now have left is obfuscation, exaggeration and low grade sarcasm.

    You mean he’s ever had anything else?

  26. Eyrie

    What happens if the Vicco police kill someone during their “papers” traffic stops? The cops are armed.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Well, Faulty, it looks like Struth has thrown the AK47 down and deserted the front line.
    That must be disappointing in the light of this:-

    Both Struth and I accept that it may very well come to that, Struth even more so than me. And we are both prepared to go whatever lengths necessary, including violence and armed resistance.

    But the question is, are you still committed?
    Or are you also going with “time is not right”?
    I need to know before I (ahem) “finalise my report”.

  28. thefrollickingmole

    THOT is THOTting, soy bot wonders if hes being paranoid and recieves the worst advice of his life, ever.
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/aug/09/my-girlfriend-has-slept-with-100-men-i-am-worried-about-fidelity-mariella-frostrup

    The dilemma My partner’s relationships with other men is concerning me. She has admitted to sleeping with close to 100 men in the past, many for personal gain – including cash, gifts and holidays. I was shell-shocked, not so much that she participated, but that she confessed so blatantly. I also know that she has flirted with married men, enjoying dinner and sharing a hotel bed with one of them.

    To me it appears that as a woman who was abandoned by her father at a young age, she struggles to say no to men. She went on holiday with a female friend and came back with a new man’s number in her phone whom she messaged frequently, and said I was being silly when I asked about him. She has no qualms about telling me that her male colleagues look at her in a way that suggests they’re interested in her. She appears to thirst for this attention, perhaps subconsciously.

    Her reaction to my concerns is normally anger and so I avoid these topics, although inside me it is grating. I love her and have cut all ties with past flames, so she has nothing to worry about in terms of my faithfulness, but this is not reciprocated. Do I have it out with her, or shrug and accept that this is who she is?

    Shit advice…

    Mariella replies Where to begin? Certainly not with a headcount of past lovers, which means little or nothing and certainly has no real bearing on your current predicament. If you’re judging a partner by the number of people they’ve slept with, then your priorities are seriously questionable. Then again, I’m not impressed by the transactional nature of some of her past choices either. The question you should be asking is what this woman is looking for, and do you have the strength, courage or, indeed, desire to help her find it.

    She seems to need love, not in a clingy way but in a manner that aims to serve an all-consuming hunger for someone to feed her emotional cravings. You tell me a lot about her, but very little about you and why your needs and desires should be so sublimated. What do you want from this relationship? Do you want to be tortured in this way by the desirability and unpredictability of another?
    Your girlfriend sounds like she has issues with self-esteem and misplaced ideas of how to gain self-worth. I’m presuming much of what you describe has happened in the past and, as LP Hartley famously said: “The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there.” What happened before you two got together may offer you context, but it’s irrelevant when it comes to defining how she should behave in your relationship.

    I feel sorry for your girlfriend because losing your father as a young girl is as painful as parting can get, and instils in all but the most resilient a sense of failure and lack of self-value that can remain throughout life. I know quite a few women – myself included – who took until their late 30s or early 40s to shrug off that burden and realise that they don’t have to shoulder the blame or carry the responsibility for a parent’s absence.

    As you say, your partner seems to be trying to replace her father with any member of his sex that she thinks has the potential to fill the space he left behind. It’s not that she can’t say no to men but that she’s under the illusion that sheer weight of numbers will ground her desire.

    In reality, the unconditional love she seeks is the kind only a parent can offer. You can’t stop her mourning her father’s absence, but you can possibly help her see that what she’s looking for lies within her – and is for her alone to mend. This isn’t about the lovers she’s had, could potentially have or, in the worst-case scenario, continues to have. It’s about a damaged little girl trying to replace her first love with a succession of alternatives.

    You could be flattered that she has found enough of a home in you to slow the pace of her relentless quest, but as you’ve observed she’s not done searching. That’s why I asked at the beginning if you had the energy and commitment to try to help steer her to safe harbour. But the only way you can ever help anybody else is to first understand yourself, and I’d propose that’s where you begin this quest. Try to understand your own motivation in enduring the insecurity she provokes. While she works out her own priorities, what is obvious is that all this emotional fog leaves little room for a clear view – so neither of you knows yet if you have found what you’re looking for.

    Whether you can shape what you have into something less debilitating is a question I can’t answer, but bigger romantic miracles have occurred. In answer to your question, I don’t think you need have it out, nor shrug and accept – instead I suggest a more imaginative journey where you learn a lot more about your own desires as a route to finding out whether you can, or even want, to keep up with hers. Major emotional investment, resilience and commitment will be required along the way but your adventure will be fruitless if you don’t get to know the landscape of your own heart first.

    My adivce: Run, dont look back, unless you want to end up the cuckiest cuck in cucktown.

  29. feelthebern

    What happens if the Vicco police kill someone during their “papers” traffic stops?

    Blame white supremacists of course.

  30. Struth

    Well, Faulty, it looks like Struth has thrown the AK47 down and deserted the front line.
    That must be disappointing in the light of this:-

    All you now have left is obfuscation, exaggeration and low grade sarcasm.

    But I’m sure that won’t stop you for a second.
    It never does Notafan.

    NostraStruth gets it right again.

  31. Leigh Lowe

    I already have a close knit group prepared with me, to stand, and if necessary, fall, defending what we believe in

    Gee that sounded so inspiring and definitive.
    Now we find The Revolution(tm) has more asterisks and fine print than a Vodaphone advert.

  32. P

    Helen
    #3542053, posted on August 9, 2020 at 8:41 pm
    Brilliant song here.

    Thanks Helen. This is one has to be featured.
    The song sounds amazing but the message even more so.

  33. Cassie of Sydney

    “What happens if the Vicco police kill someone during their “papers” traffic stops?”

    They’ll blame George Pell.

  34. MemoryFault

    I need to know before I (ahem) “finalise my report”.

    Just make it up as you go.
    Like you do when you comment here.

  35. feelthebern

    How many civil cases have been lodged against Pell?

  36. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3542397, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:35 am
    How many civil cases have been lodged against Pell?”

    As at Monday 10 August, 2020 at 9.39 a.m……the number is zero!

  37. Eyrie

    “What happens if the Vicco police kill someone during their “papers” traffic stops?”

    The correct answer, Cats and Kittehs, is that it will be recorded as another COVID-19 death.

  38. Mater

    I didn’t ask for that number, so I reckon I case use it any way I please.

    Comprehension is not your strong point, is it.
    By all means, use your number for whatever you wish (after all, I’ve got my own…two, in fact). Just don’t go thinking that it’s some sort of Juju magic which provides you either authority or defence. Even in military matters, your continued wrongology shows you to be an Ignoramus.

    Tell us again how the Danger Close procedure “refers to artillery, rather than mortars”. Actually, check that. Instead, tell us again how your father served in PNG from 1942 through to 1946.

    Goose.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    Hey Struth, can you play “Macho Man” on the accordian?
    It could be your revolutionary marching song.
    Include a verse about “no cows”.

  40. Leigh Lowe

    Cat dictionary.
    “Misquoting” : Finding an embarassing, illegal or defamatory post from the past and re-post it in full.

  41. MemoryFault

    And now you must excuse me.
    I had an idea late last night for a seventh website.
    A phantom political party, so to speak.
    One everybody can join, without doing anything.
    Least of all voting for it, since it won’t exist.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    MemoryFault

    #3542404, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:42 am

    And now you must excuse me.
    I had an idea late last night for a seventh website.
    A phantom political party, so to speak.

    Vote for Themmm?
    Not again.

  43. MemoryFault

    That would be a “vote”, idiot.
    Go back and reread what I wrote.

  44. Tom

    Hypocite of the week:

    As a taxpayer-funded broadcaster that shuns sponsorship of any kind, the ABC is in a unique position to critique advertising. The successful The Gruen Transfer program works so well because it can expose the tricks, triumphs, and failures of advertising in a way that might be either compromised or self-defeating on commercial television.

    Still, I was a little taken aback last week when I decided to check out the ABC’s documentary series about alcohol, On the Sauce. It is cleverly produced and entertaining television which aims to be informative but runs a strong ideological agenda.

    Hosted by comedian and teetotaller Shaun Micallef, it is not blind to the benefits of alcohol — social and commercial — but pursues a moral narrative towards abstinence. This is our new wowserism, led not so much by the Methodist Ladies at the Temperance Hall but by public health officials on a sugar tax campaign.

    So, On The Sauce is an insidious intervention by the public broadcaster, setting out to shape the nation in its own, woke way, and happily setting itself against industries — wine, brewing, restaurants, hotels and hospitality — that support vast numbers of Australians. Perhaps the ABC wants to do for these industries what it did for the live cattle export industry and greyhound racing.

    Anyhow, back to advertising. The jolt I got while sipping my red and watching On The Sauce stemmed from Micallef declaring that “advertising, as we know, is evil” and then confessing that he was “very cynical” about advertising.

    And that voice, Micallef’s beautiful speaking voice, it sounded so familiar.

    But of course, we hear it all the time. “Did you know that if you accidentally reversed into a lamp post you could choose your own authorised repairer as part of your GIO platinum car insurance,” advises Micallef in one of a plethora of insurance commercials on radio and television. “Sometimes it’s good to know the details,” he guides us. “You know with GIO.”

  45. rickw:

    Australia is a multicultural society with a diverse range of ­diaspora groups,” ASIO said. “These diaspora groups are often the victims of foreign interference.

    …and they knew that, but our leaders brought them in anyway whilst refusing to allow us a say in the matter because ‘racist’.

  46. Mater

    Australia is a multicultural society with a diverse range of ­diaspora groups,” ASIO said. “These diaspora groups are often the victims of foreign interference.

    Everywhere you look, be it drug documentaries on Netflix or written articles on the BBC website, you’ll see the blame for failed and violent regions slated back to ‘evil imperialist nations’.

    Apparently, by drawing arbitrary lines on maps and creating countries “without reference or concern for either religious or cultural differences”, they doomed these regions to inevitable ongoing violence and destruction.

    I don’t disagree with the assertion, but it’s troubling how often it’s made by the very people who tell us how good, and valuable, multiculturalism is.

  47. Old School Conservative

    Helen
    #3542378, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Yes calli, it was very sad. A terrible battle and such a loss.

    Time to re-discover some of Williams’ tours-de-force via the magic of You Tube.
    I’ll start with his magnificent monologue about how the Scots invented golf.
    His wife was right – a brilliant man.

  48. Anne

    Stop wearing the damn masks.

    Masks do nothing but signify obedience.

    The Psychology of the Mask. 👇🏻 2mins

    https://twitter.com/_be_el_tee_/status/1286719415988490240?s=11

  49. Makka

    I don’t disagree with the assertion, but it’s troubling how often it’s made by the very people who tell us how good, and valuable, multiculturalism is.

    Australians never had a say in this subversive concept “multiculturalism”. Up until this abortion was instituted, all migrants knew that when you came to Australia the expectation was you and your family fitted in, had a go and were expected to adopt OUR culture and way of life. It worked very well for everyone.Now, after decades of this multi culti experiment and millions arriving from 3rd world shitholes with zero obligations to this country, we have pretty much lost our identity and way of life. Our cities fast becoming 3rd world enclaves. All Govts are responsible for perpetuating this disaster. Changed forever, for the worse because of it.

  50. twostix

    The elderly Victorian twin sisters Leigh Lowe and Notafan – blankie over knees, mandatory face nappies on, soldiers hovering around their front doors allowed to enter at any time, coping with their complete domination and imprisonment by teeheeing (internally seething) at free Australians is probably the most ridiculous moment of this entire thing so far I’m afraid.

  51. Anne

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    STOP WATCHING TELEVISION!

    These people are lying to you. That’s their job.

    The same people who created the virus are creating a vaccine for it.

    There is already a cure for this coronavirus.

    It’s HydroxyChloroquine which the Government has suddenly severely restricted in this country. Why?

    Because it’s effective against numerous chronic diseases including Cancer.
    Take off the compliance muzzle and #WakeUpAustralia!!!

  52. Roger

    Our cities fast becoming 3rd world enclaves.

    Escape to the country if you can.

  53. johanna

    Be very suspicious of media reporting of young people dying of COVID:

    Even Fox News declared, “A 7-year-old old boy from Savannah, Ga., with no underlying conditions, became the youngest victim to die from the coronavirus …” (Emphasis mine.) Like Fox News, virtually all of the media repeatedly reported that the child had “no underlying conditions.” Even my local radio station — repeating the deception every 30 minutes for hours on end — which, among other conservative programming, carries The Rush Limbaugh Show, helped perpetuate this latest example of Wuhan virus “fear porn.”

    The AP — whose stories are often widely distributed in the media — did more accurately report that the boy died “with COVID-19.” However, the AP went on to say, “The boy had no other chronic health conditions, according to data released by the state[.] … The boy’s death comes amid nationwide debate about the risks that children face in getting infected or spreading the coronavirus, particularly as the school year begins.

    but

    So it seems that the boy died not “from COVID-19,” but rather as the result of a seizure and a fall in the shower. It seems that, prior to his death, the child had zero Wuhan virus symptoms, and that after he was pronounced dead, “a rapid test showed evidence of COVID-19 positivity.”

    I don’t know about you, but I’ve followed the news and the science on this virus as closely as most anyone, and I have yet to hear any reports of the Wuhan virus causing seizures. If this were the case — especially where children are concerned — it is a virtual guarantee that the media would have daily told us so. It would seem that fair and accurate reporting of this incident would include all of the circumstances surrounding this terrible tragedy and that this is almost certainly another example of someone dying with the Wuhan virus and not from it.

    Now we hear that it is likely that at least one of the young adult deaths in Victoria was in a disability facility. Apparently we are not allowed to know this because of ‘privacy’ – something which does not apply to those who die in aged care.

    Between politicians and the media, it is a wonder we ever find anything out at all.

  54. rickw

    What happens if the Vicco police kill someone during their “papers” traffic stops? The cops are armed.

    It is only a matter of time:

    1). People are completely jacked off with the whole situation, their basic ability to make ends meet is being encroached up, let alone their general Freedom and Liberty. Essentially all on the basis of multiple end to end Government stuff ups, which most people now get.

    2). Vicpol have no sense of what might constitute an “illegal order”, they will aggressively enforce all “rules” regardless of situation and sense. “Uphold The Right” means nothing to them, they will blindly and officiously enforce rules/laws. They are also thin skinned, the worst thing anyone can do is call out these obvious problems with their policing.

    3). These two issues coming together at a road block / check point will end badly. Particularly given Vicpol’s penchant for recruiting women and small men with big chips. Their only solution in many situations is to go for their gun.

  55. sfw

    Most years it snows around Melbourne suburbs, usually melts as it hits the ground, only lasts for a few minutes as the cold air passes. In the late 80’s I lived in Pascoe Vale and there was a light covering around the house one morning, went as soon as the sun hit it.

  56. Rossini

    Mark A
    #3542129, posted on August 9, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    Thanks Mark A

  57. sfw

    I know that the Vic Police Academy doesn’t even mention Robert Peel or his principles of policing to the recruits. It’s been like that for at least 12 years that I know of. A mate who went through in the 70’s told me they were taught about it.

    I saw a false arrest made by two vicpol sgts on tv a few days ago. Wish they would false arrest me, the compo runs to around $3000 an hour.

  58. Oh yes the right wing Murdoch papers

    Donald Trump flees press conference, signs executive orders on coronavirus relief

    Donald Trump has once again cut a media conference short, turning and walking away from the lectern after being called out for a recurring fib.

    NEWS.com.au: More bullshit right here:

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-flees-press-conference-signs-executive-orders-on-coronavirus-relief/news-story/8291afe0c5a6c375d322944eceb020ea

  59. DrBeauGan

    https://quillette.com/2020/08/03/what-computer-generated-language-tells-us-about-our-own-ideological-thinking/

    This explains why intellectuals are so hopeless. They’re disconnected from reality and locked up in language.

  60. Makka

    Escape to the country if you can.

    That’s the plan Roger.

  61. Is memory fault, esteemed ASIO asset and AFP paid informant & agent provocateur still here?

    Wow.

    What chutzpah.

  62. Herodotus

    He travelled a long way from Mork & Mindy. Also did some very expletive deleted stand-up at one time.

  63. Melbin clearance rate, 8th August: 45%
    Sidonee clearance rate, 8th August: 64%

    Source: Domain

  64. Roger

    That’s the plan Roger.

    +1

  65. Herodotus

    Mork & Mindy was My Favourite Martian on steroids and cocaine.

  66. Gab

    Top Ender will be very happy today.

  67. The Mork and Mindy where Mork meets Robin Williams is comically brilliant but it foreshadows a depressing end, sans his ex wife’s greed.

  68. Top Ender

    Kristina Keneally has refused to back down and even played the “gender” card, after Diary presented her on Sunday with allegations by Nine’s Today show of “unacceptable” behaviour towards a junior female TV producer.

    A furious unsolicited phone call was made by Keneally to Today during its regular segment with Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton and Labor deputy leader Richard Marles 10 days ago.

    The junior female producer in her early 20s ultimately hung up on the shadow home affairs minister, with Today alleging Keneally berated the producer “in something between a shout and a scream”.

    As we noted last week, the segment didn’t ask questions of Dutton about a story on the ABC’s 7.30 the previous night which alleged a Border Force officer mistook negative flu tests for COVID results on the Ruby Princess, setting loose 2700 passengers.

    This caused some questioning among members of Nine’s Canberra bureau, as we revealed last week. But it turns out the person who was by far the most upset about this omission was Keneally.

    Nine sources claim that as the segment aired last Friday week, the shadow home affairs minister embarked on a colourful tirade at the junior producer, demanding that she force Today’s co-host Allison Langdon to grill Dutton on the Ruby Princess.

    But Nine sources have told Diary that the power imbalance of a former NSW premier and one of Labor’s federal top brass allegedly acting so forthrightly with a much younger woman did not go down well. “We were disappointed someone like Kristina Keneally would, in something between a shout and a scream, vent at a young female producer,” a Today insider told Diary. “It was unacceptable behaviour.”

    We’re told the junior female producer was so upset with Keneally’s tone in the phone call that she hung up.

    But Keneally denies “shouting and screaming” in her own defence, seeing Nine’s response as a “gendered take”.

    “Do they really describe a woman’s behaviour as ‘shouting and screaming’?,” Keneally asked Diary on Sunday. “Well, that’s quite a gendered take. I’ve been in politics and media for almost 20 years, and while I know how to have a direct conversation, I don’t raise my voice in a work setting.”

    Today was also shocked by the demands that Keneally made on the call: “In all our years of doing political stories, we’ve never received a call from a politician directing us on what questions to ask their political opponents,” the Today insider said.

    But Nine’s anger about this has only seemed to prompt Keneally to double down. “I recommend that the Today show listen to Channel 9’s political reporters on how to hold government ministers to account — including Peter Dutton’s failure to stop the Ruby Princess — and not just rely on them as talking heads.”

    However, Nine says this editorial decision was simply not one for Keneally to make. With 723 COVID cases in Victoria and 13 deaths the previous day, they say, the Ruby Princess simply wasn’t the top issue of the moment.

    “If we’d devoted time to it, for two or three minutes, that’s less time we would have had on the story of the day. And with all due respect to Kristina, we don’t know yet if the 7.30 Ruby Princess story was a silver bullet or not.”

    Plenty more to play out on this one.

    Oz Media Diary

  69. Gab

    PM announced recommendation of VC for Teddy Sheehan.

  70. P

    Top Ender will be very happy today.

    Yea! Teddy Sheean!

  71. Maj

    The 4D Chess Master!

    Moore on coronavirus executive orders: ‘This is a real game-changer for President Trump’

    President Trump’s four executive orders to provide Americans financial relief from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic amid stalled negotiations in the Senate are “a real game-changer” for the president, Stephen Moore, a member of President Trump’s economic recovery task force, said on Sunday.

    “All of a sudden Trump has flipped the table on Nancy Pelosi,” Moore, an economist at FreedomWorks, told “Fox & Friends Weekend” on Sunday. “Those negotiations were going nowhere.”

    On Saturday, President Trump signed the four executive actions, which included $400-per-week in supplemental unemployment aid. Those who were unemployed were getting $600-a-week extra until the federal program expired at the end of July.

    Moore admitted that he is “not wild” about the unemployment benefits of $400 a week and said he thinks “we should go back to the old unemployment insurance system.”

    He did acknowledge, however, that “$400 is a lot better than 600.”

    “We have a situation right now where about two out of three workers who are unemployed are getting paid more money than the people who are working,” Moore said on Sunday, explaining that is “not good economics.”

    Trump’s executive action would encourage federal efforts to help renters and homeowners avoid eviction or foreclosure for failing to make their monthly payments.

    Congress had passed the CARES Act in March, which issued a 120-day temporary eviction moratorium on renters in federal housing assistance programs or those who live in a property with a federally backed mortgage, but that eviction moratorium expired in July.

    Trump’s executive action also suspends federal student loan payments and sets interest rates to 0% through Dec. 31, 2020. The current student loan relief programs were to expire on Sept. 30.

    In addition, Trump deferred the payroll tax from Sept. 1 to Dec. 31, 2020, for employees making $100,000 or less a year. The tax, deducted from workers’ paychecks, funds Social Security and Medicare. Employees would need to repay the federal government once the tax holiday ends without further action.

    Moore explained that “now every single worker in America,” including the first responders and truckers, who he called “the real heroes of this economy,” will get “a much deserved 7.5% pay raise starting immediately.”

    “That is a very, very positive thing,” Moore said.

    He went on to explain that “this is not a tax cut” and said that “this is suspension of the tax for the rest of the year.”

    “But the president said yesterday that it is his full intention in his second term to then forgive those taxes so it becomes a de facto tax cut,” Moore said. “I think it is brilliant.”

    Moore also noted on Sunday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., wants to give billions of dollars “to blue states and cities.”

    “That is simply unfair to the states that have acted fiscally responsibly,” Moore said.

    Senate Republicans unveiled the “HEALS Act,” their version of a fresh round of coronavirus relief, two weeks ago. HEALS stands for the package’s focus on Health, Economic Assistance, Liability protection and Schools.

    The $1 trillion Republican bill is the alternative to the House’s “Heroes Act,” the $3 trillion relief legislation passed in May. The “Heroes Act” was the most expensive legislation approved by that body in history and includes $915 billion in state and local aid that could prevent layoffs of public workers, like first responders and teachers.

    Pelosi slammed the executive actions President Trump took this weekend to provide assistance for Americans struggling amid the coronavirus as weak and an “illusion” on “Fox News Sunday” with Chris Wallace, as she defended Democrats’ stance asking for trillions more in aid as negotiations with the White House and Senate Republicans have stalled.

  72. Makka

    Yay! Let’s follow NZ down the shit chute.

    NZ prelim July Business Confidence: -42.4 (prior -31.8) & Activity Outlook: -17.0 (prior -8.9)
    Mon 10 Aug 2020 01:00:17 GMT

    New Zealand ANZ business survey for August, preliminary.

    The key indicators remain at weak levels, dropping further this month in the flash reading:

    Business Confidence vs. prior -31.8

    Activity Outlook vs. prior -8.9

    ANZ comments:
    adds to the evidence that the post-lockdown rebound may have run its course.
    Employment and investment intentions fell too as the post-lockdown bounce starts to give way to the drag from the closed border
    with temporary fiscal support measures poised to roll off in coming months, and the impacts of a closed border to be fully felt only when the peak-tourism summer season arrives, there are plenty of economic hurdles to clear yet. Today’s data is indicative of exactly that.

  73. Tom

    Take off the compliance muzzle and #WakeUpAustralia!!!

    Annie, that’s the only reason you haven’t wandered off and joined the Greens, who share the same enthusiasm for conspiracy theories.

    Thankfully, you’re a country kid whose commonsense tells you Big Government is the worst possible “solution” to any problem, whereas the Filth are ideologically in love with the Marxist persecution of the little people now underway thanks to Kung Flu.

    As soon as Kung Flu is finished, the Filth will again be demanding the people are taxed into oblivion to satisfy their communist blood lust over their global warmening religious fantasy.

  74. Top Ender

    Teddy Sheean to be awarded Victoria Cross
    Daniel McCulloch
    National

    Australian war hero Teddy Sheean will be awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross following a review by an expert panel.

    Sheean died in 1942 when the HMAS Armidale was sunk by Japanese bombers in the Timor Sea.

    The 18-year-old strapped himself to an anti-aircraft gun as the vessel went down and is credited with saving the lives of 49 crew.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison established an independent panel earlier this year after Sheean was denied the military honour.

    The panel found Sheean deserved the recognition.

    Mr Morrison has contacted the Queen to recommend Sheean be given the Victoria Cross and is confident she will agree.

    Australian Associated Press

  75. Makka

    Teddy Sheean to be awarded Victoria Cross

    Congrats TE and also to the Sheean family. Well done!

  76. rickw

    Teddy Sheean to be awarded Victoria Cross

    Congrats TE and also to the Sheean family. Well done!

    +100

  77. rickw

    Business Confidence vs. prior -31.8

    Only -31.8??!!

  78. Mother Lode

    The hope in a vaccine is stopping many people from even asking this critical question.

    ScoMo has the same grasp about how the real, results-oriented world that typifies his caste*.

    Anything can be done if you throw enough money at it, and having declared such you can just assume it will be available for your crackpot scheme.

    Best example would have to be ruinables. All the lowing cattle in parliament wanted to hop on the AGW bandwagon. They were going to give us a new energy grid that would save the world, including your children, and your children’s children.

    Except ruinables are all intermittent and fickle. Well, we will build batteries. They don’t exist yet? Then we will provide funding to invent them. Done. Are there any other objections? Then let’s go!

    Geothermal. Wave generation.

    The list goes on.

    And that is just AGW.

    * It is dismaying, is it not, to reflect that a Liberal pollie has more in common with a Labor pollie, or even a Green, than with a small business owner, or a plumber, a farmer, an engineer, a stay-at-home mum, or a ditch digger.

  79. Salvatore, Social Distance Martyr

    Watching the press conference by Scomao, & all the negative language he was using, I’d assumed it was a dead cert the VC had been knocked back harder than a Boris Becker return serve.
    Scomo certainly dragged it out, even when Their ABC cut from his press conference to go to Kim Jong Dan’s presser, I’d thought that the matter was still up in the air, but not real likely.

  80. DrBeauGan

    Mr Morrison has contacted the Queen to recommend Sheean be given the Victoria Cross and is confident she will agree.

    There is some justice still in Australia!

  81. Farmer Gez

    Chairman Dan and the politburo now launching a propaganda campaign to convince the reactionaries that obedience is good for them.

    Covid victims will have their stories telecast to the public to promote fear and compliance.

    Is there any part of the totalitarian dictator state agenda that Andrews has not used?

    Rationing and ID cards will be next.

  82. johanna

    TheirABC is drooling with admiration for the NZ COVID policies:

    Australia adopted very similar responses to the pandemic and it is important to note that most states and territories are in the same position as New Zealand.

    But Victoria and, to a lesser extent, New South Wales are seeing a significant resurgence.

    The key difference is that New Zealand committed relatively early to a clearly articulated elimination strategy and pursued it aggressively.

    An intense lockdown proved highly effective at rapidly extinguishing the virus.

    And, they claim, the economy is doing just fine:

    Elimination of the virus appears to have allowed New Zealand to return to near-normal operation fairly rapidly, minimised economic damage compared with Australia.

    But the economic impact is likely to keep playing out over the coming months.

    Wiping out the inbound tourism industry is no biggie, apparently, nor is destroying business travel.

    As per Makka’s comment above, the business sector disagrees, but slobbering over Jacinta is top priority over at TheirABC.

  83. zyconoclast

    Interesting twitter.
    includes details of crimes.

    ExposingWhitePrivilege

  84. Mother Lode

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    Based on…..

  85. Eyrie

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    Based on…..

    Plucked from his nether regions.

  86. Mater

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    Based on…..

    the fact that their entire exist strategy is based on it materialising. How can it not?

  87. Mother Lode

    As a taxpayer-funded broadcaster that shuns sponsorship of any kind, the ABC is in a unique position to critique advertising.

    So they have no experience of what they are going to critique.

    Only at the ABC would that not be an issue. They weigh in again and again on topics they do not understand and again and again are make themselves look stupid.

  88. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We had ten to lunch yesterday, including me and Hairy, with the day cold and the rain holding off until later afternoon when we were all well underway with the Pol Roger and other good things, including my Margaritas well salted on the rim. The Martinis were made by the offer of the guest most likely, a true aficionado of the shaker, who was appalled that I had forgotten to get olives and that my cocktail shakers were freebie stainless steel Cunard water bottles emblazoned with the word Alaska under the crest. It was insult to injury when I presented him with a glass measuring jug to dole out his ingredients, rather than a cocktail measure. Olives are not mandatory, I fight back, not at all: they are quite optional, I ague until he agreed. I referred him to Dr. Google on that point.

    And now our abode is a mass of flowers, for I had brought in Camelias and structural Strelitzias from the garden, and had purchased a cloud of huge yellow Wordsworthian Daffodils and some glorious Van Gogh Irises all to stand tall in big crystal vases. Added to this now are the two gorgeous big bundles of roses and zinnia and proteas and what not, presents that arrived with chocolates and fine wines from our visitors, the floral component looking good enough to eat displayed in various jugs around the place and the left-over chocolates my downfall this morning.

    One friend, a noted seamstress amongst her many other attributes of intellect and capability (some of these women are very good cooks), brought me a very pretty mask she had made so that my surgical demeanour could be attenuated somewhat in places where a mask was mandatory. We did hello-there air kisses with some but others were up to the usual hugs and laughs over the ‘are you kissing?’ question, answering in the affirmative. Hands were shaken too.

    Like any good hostess, I did supply some pump-action hand sanitizer in an obvious spot for the worried well, and in the event a happily fun time was had by all with much wit and laughter. Today the wild ocean weather thuds in from between the Sydney heads and I can sit watching it crash high up on the cliffs of Middle Head, the ribbon a shattering white water all around the visible other edge of the harbour. I haven’t worn the awful ‘boot’ at all this weekend for my broken foot but the fracture clinic beckons this week. Dr. O’Oirish, kindly rang as we were on our way in the car to Cat drinks. He wanted ensure that I had an appointment, and asked how I was going with ‘the boot’. I am wearing a boot right now, I reassured him smoothly. Hairy was shocked at such duplicity. You didn’t tell him what sort of boot you were wearing, he protested, looking at my trendy zip-up ones. Lying to your doctor, he muttered, outraged.

  89. Mother Lode

    Unless they have a collected and collated data from all the other epidemics and where they have quickly found the specific vaccine for the specific virus as part of a planned response then that number would indeed surely be issuing from their fundament.

    But, hey! Hell of a soundbite.

  90. Fisky

    Antifa assaults trade union headquarters, just as Hitler as Mussolini did.

    Andy Ngô
    @MrAndyNgo
    · 15h
    Overnight on 8–9 Aug, hundreds of antifa descended on the @PortlandPolice union building again in north Portland. They blocked the road, started street fires & tried to burn down the union hall again. Video from inside shows the arson attack #PortlandRiots https://portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261082
    Show this thread

    According to Numbers, this isn’t happening at all!

  91. H B Bear

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    Based on…..

    his continuing need for grant funding.

  92. mh

    Antifa end up in a ditch

    Hotep Jesus
    @HotepJesus
    When ANTIFA makes a wrong turn into MAGA country.
    https://twitter.com/HotepJesus/status/1292327292081930242?s=20

  93. Dr Faustus

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    Twelve more months (plus the roll out).
    The pilot light will be flickering a bit by then.

  94. Dr Faustus

    Stage 4 – a roaring success; new cases down to 322.

    Gor’ bless, Maximum Leader. Gor’ bless you, young sir, for all you done for us.

  95. Farmer Gez

    Based on…..

    his continuing need for grant funding.

    Don’t bag Peter Doherty, he’s a great scientist and is just telling you the facts.

    The same institute is looking into ivermectin as a treatment.
    I can tell you he was a great support when farmers like me were fighting to get the ban on GMO canola lifted in Victoria.
    He stuck to the science then and now I believe.

  96. For God’s sake Fisk, these are mostly peaceful protests!

    You LNP blogwrecking mongrel!

  97. Tom

    Lying to your doctor, he muttered, outraged.

    Great to have you back, Lizzie!

  98. rickw

    Elimination of the virus appears to have allowed New Zealand to return to near-normal operation fairly rapidly, minimised economic damage compared with Australia.

    NZ is in the shitter as soon as they have another outbreak, which will be any day now.

    Unless they have the good sense to stop testing which seems highly unlikely.

  99. woolfe

    Well its only a matter of time till a labor government awards Gough a posthumous VC

  100. rickw

    Don’t bag Peter Doherty, he’s a great scientist and is just telling you the facts.

    I have no doubt they’ll eventually have a vaccine. It will be two virus cycles to late however!

  101. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    New Zealand has a major export industry sending forest woods to the Chicoms for paper and other things. The Chicoms also own the plantations, the wharves and supply all of the workers and management for this wood fest. I wonder how that is going right now.

    Elimination, New Zealand style, is simply putting of the dreadful day when Covid will re-emerge to rip through a non-immune population. In the meantime, the economy is tanking. Great stuff, Saint Jacinta. Small island thinking.

  102. Caveman

    ” I’m not going to be a commentator on myself”

    Is this a self parody thing.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    Well its only a matter of time till a labor government awards Gough a posthumous VC

    And a posthumous Order of Lenin.
    That’s assuming he didn’t get one when he was still alive.

  104. Perth Trader

    When I travel around West. Aust. I keep thinking one of the biggest exports of NZ is , well, New Zealanders.

  105. Mother Lode

    Antifa assaults trade union headquarters, just as Hitler as Mussolini did.

    As with the thwarted bohemian turned politician it is because they were the wrong brand of socialist.

    The ones in Germany were dominated by Russian aligned socialists while the flatulent Frederick fanboi required organised labour be aligned with his socialism.

    Anyone who was at uni in the 70’s or 80’s will remember the prolific and still proliferating socialist groups on campus – Leninists, Maoists, Trotskyites etc. forever paring ever finer distinctions between each other, but to whom each distinction became a border and their erstwhile allies become a menacing army bent on annihilation.

    It was the similarities that aroused the most suspicion and anger.

  106. Leigh Lowe

    MemoryFault

    #3542407, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:47 am

    That would be a “vote”, idiot.
    Go back and reread what I wrote.

    Ah, no.
    IIRC (and I do), “vote for Themm” was, in fact, an informal vote.
    The idea was to write “Themm” on a free space on the ballot paper, draw a box beside it and put a “1” in the box.
    Which would be set aside by the AEC as an informal vote.
    As in, not a vote.
    Sounds like the latest plan is just reheated leftovers, Faulty.

  107. Gilas

    rickw
    #3542560, posted on August 10, 2020 at 12:00 pm

    Don’t bag Peter Doherty, he’s a great scientist and is just telling you the facts.

    I have no doubt they’ll eventually have a vaccine. It will be two virus cycles to late however!

    No.

    High mutation rate + low morbidity rate (similar to Influenza) + low quality antibody response = NO EFFECTIVE VACCINE to COVID19.

    Ever.

  108. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks, Tom. Apologies for typos and misplaced comma. 🙂

    Anyone watching Singapore Grip on Foxtel’s BBC (spit!)? I am watching it for the 1940’s fashions if nothing else. Hairy would happily give it a miss, but after yesterday’s long lunch it was light relief.

    The gormless recently inheriting hero has now, finally, got up gumption enough to tell the ‘orrible duo of father and daughter to get lost as he has no intention of proposing to this spoiled brat of a daughter who thought he was definitely caught, thus furthering evil capitalist dad’s profiteering plots. Our hero has fallen for the Eurasian girl, of course. Meanwhile, bombs and aerial snipers fire away on the Malay Peninsula and even on Singapore itself. Britons in general show themselves to be useless colonials, and that’s right, it won’t end well. A cynical Frenchman observes from the sidelines, as they do.

  109. Anne

    Covid911: The Biggest Hoax in Political History.

    http://covid911.tk/

  110. incoherent rambler

    I’m amazed (as always) by the points of chatter on the open thread.
    We have states in the vice like grip of irrational, fascist, totalitarian rule and yet the chatter is about all those other things.

    See the bombers fly up,
    to Adelaide, Perth and the Gold Coast.
    How do I get to on the AFL hangers on list?

  111. incoherent rambler

    funerals will be limited to 10 people

    Phew!

    That means no mass burials in nearby forests.

  112. Herodotus

    Now that’s what I call a fabulous Sunday lunch Lizzie!

  113. Leigh Lowe

    Twelve more months (plus the roll out).
    The pilot light will be flickering a bit by then.

    Ah, Faustus, the “pilot light”(tm) .
    That is the latest pony-tailed ministerial advisor brain fart to go with “hibernation”.
    Apparently a business has a “pilot light” like a heater.
    Well, you know how you can leave a heater off all summer with just the pilot light on, and just fire it up in April?
    Well, businesses can do that.
    Apparently.

  114. Herodotus

    Singapore Grip: by that master storyteller J. G. Farrell. All his books are essential reading, and it’s tragic that he died too young in a small dinghy mishap. HIA might like Troubles, set in Ireland back when there were indeed troubles – but with some marvellous descriptions of the decaying, formerly grand hotel, with its various characters including some very sexy young ladies – twins!

  115. Mother Lode

    funerals will be limited to 10 people

    And do they put all 10 of them in the same grave?

  116. Mother Lode

    Beat me to it, ir.

  117. Leigh Lowe

    Esteemed Melbourne immunologist and the namesake of the Doherty Institute, Professor Peter Doherty, believes there’s an 80% chance we’ll have a vaccine in 12 months. ‘I reckon we’ll get there.’

    Based on…..

    Yep.
    TV experty guy Michael Mosely on radio the other day opining that a vaccine was “highly likely”.
    Why?
    “Because there are 15 – 20 in research and development”.
    Ah, well, all that tells me is that there are 15 – 20 research institutes around the world making encouraging sounds to cajole the rivers of cash.

  118. Bruce of Newcastle

    And do they put all 10 of them in the same grave?

    No.
    Need to leave room for the hippopotamuses.

    ‘Most exciting find in Egypt’ 6,000-year-old breakthrough rewrites ancient history (10 Aug)

    “We found this cemetery and began excavating it, but not only did we find human burials, we found these very strange animals that took us some time to figure out what they were.”

    Dr Friedman went on to detail how the team plucked a treasure trove of ancient animal remains from burial tombs.

    She added: “You don’t expect to find seven baboons in a grave and a wild cat and a hippopotamus buried along with humans.

    “We began again in the Nineties, and as we excavated, we found more and more animals.

    “Every time we found a human burial, we would find stranger and stranger animals.”

    Fair few strange animals in Victoria, but hopefully they’ll not end up being dug up by archaeologists.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    Teddy Sheean to be awarded Victoria Cross

    I know it will stick in some throats here, but thanks also to ScoMo for overruling the oh, so PC Defence Minister and Angus Campbell on this one.

  120. Des Deskperson

    As well as the stuff about Keneally reportedly screaming at a junior Today producer, the Oz’s Media Diary = paywall protected – also has an update on the very long running dispute between Emma ‘Eata your macaroni, Joe’ Alberici and ABC management over the former’s potential redundancy, which she has now taken to the Fair Work Commission.

    While this action is underway, “a drawn-out redeployment process in which the ABC looks for potential jobs that fit the ‘skill sets’ of Alberici and others before their possible redundancies are finalised, continues”.

    There used to be a similar right for SES employees in the APS who were facing redundancies. Employees who didn’t want to take redundancy could game this process for years.

    The precess does not appear to be available for ABC grunts, only for the ‘stars’.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Scott Morrison’s plea to Donald Trump over Diggers’ killer Hekmatullah

    Ben Packham
    Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
    6 minutes ago August 10, 2020
    No Comments

    Scott Morrison appealed directly to Donald Trump for his support in keeping the murderer of three Australian soldiers in Afghanistan behind bars.

    As Afghanistan’s Ghani government prepares to release 400 insurgents, including the rogue Afghan National Army sergeant Hekmatullah, the Prime Minister said Australian government had persistently lobbied for the killer to be excluded from a US-brokered prisoner swap with the Taliban.

    “It is a matter that I have written to the President about. It is a matter of keen interest to Australia and we have reminded them of that,” Mr Morrison said.

    “Hekmatullah was responsible for murdering three Australians, and our position is that he should never be released.”

    Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani agreed overnight to release a final 400 Taliban prisoners after an Afghan grand assembly, known as the Loya Jirga, approved the move.

    Hekmatullah is among the remaining prisoners sought for release by the Taliban under its peace deal with the United States.

    Update, from the Oz.

  122. Old School Conservative

    Custer grows at school in Sydney’s northwest

    That’s a direct copy/paste from The Oz.
    The work experience kid has been let loose again.

  123. rickw

    Apparently a business has a “pilot light” like a heater.
    Well, you know how you can leave a heater off all summer with just the pilot light on, and just fire it up in April?
    Well, businesses can do that.
    Apparently.

    GL Sheraton (Melbourne Lathe Manufacturer) basically went out business due bungling a move to a new factory from the old “rabbit warren” in Heidelberg.

    If business has a pilot light, it sits exposed in the middle of a hurricane.

  124. rickw

    “Hekmatullah was responsible for murdering three Australians, and our position is that he should never be released.”

    There’s a simple and cheap way to fix this.

  125. Zyconoclast:

    Interesting twitter.
    includes details of crimes.

    At the risk of offending others, when is it going to be considered reasonable to point out some rather ugly race based observations?
    Don’t expect that twitter to remain up for long.
    It doesn’t support The Narrative.

  126. thefrollickingmole

    In irony news…

    Gruinaid writes a “right on piece which actually attacks a person of non pallor for anti-Sem***ic remarks they made.

    Teeny, small problem when it went to print.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/mistakes-identities-dismayed-readers-change

    At 6am on Wednesday 29 July, an opinion piece by Owen Jones was published on the Guardian’s website. In Tackling racism on social media is just the tip of the iceberg, the writer set out his stall with reference to the grime artist Wiley, whose recent anti7777mitic posts would eventually lead to him being banned from Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.

    The article’s main image purported to show Wiley but, as readers would soon point out, was in fact of fellow grime pioneer, songwriter and actor Kano. The picture was changed immediately after the newsdesk was alerted at about 7.45am. The paper’s head of opinion, Jonathan Shainin, followed up by apologising privately to Kano and later that day the Guardian publicly issued an unreserved apology.

    Well they all look the same eh Gruinaid???

    This was the second time in a week that the Guardian had used a picture of the wrong person of BAME background. Two days earlier an article about the death of Denise Johnson of Primal Scream had for the first 60 minutes carried a photograph of another black singer.

  127. dover_beach

    What proportion of species hibernate? Very few, I imagine ,and those that do have done so before because they enjoy the power of doing so. Every other species that lacks this power simply degrades and diminishes over time without the required sustenance. The same will be true of every business and family.

  128. twostix

    There’s been nearly 200 vaccines announced so far.

    Most are complete bullshit media releases designed to pump up company stock prices.

    The only realistic ones are apparently made from ground up aborted baby kidneys.

    Tell me this isn’t hell, go on.

  129. Bruce of Newcastle

    I may need to get a new doormat, as my current one looks delicious.

  130. William the Conjuror

    While this action is underway, “a drawn-out redeployment process in which the ABC looks for potential jobs that fit the ‘skill sets’ of Alberici and others before their possible redundancies are finalised, continues”.

    There used to be a similar right for SES employees in the APS who were facing redundancies. Employees who didn’t want to take redundancy could game this process for years.

    The precess does not appear to be available for ABC grunts, only for the ‘stars’.

    Similar, if not identical, outplacement considerations are also regularly undertaken in the private sector, for both “stars” and less prominent employees.

  131. incoherent rambler

    Breaking News:
    Dumpty Dan to Ban Death!

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just want to record for posterity a wonderful new meme coined by James Morrow on Outsiders yesterday. Discussing Diversity as part of the New Religion of Greenism and the Other, Morrow was considering how even the most abject white person being an apologist for himself and his existence could never rejoin the rest of the human race due to his inherent flaw of whiteness. Any new religion, observed Morrow, had to have its Original Sin. In this case, he quipped, it’s Original Skin. Its embedded ‘whiteness’, never to be washed away. Very good, approved the adman in Rowan Dean, and the copywriter in me.

    No Rinso for you Whitey, one might say. 🙂

  133. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    get that apostrophe out of its. Ta.

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Um, maybe not. Perhaps it makes sense there after all.

  135. Maj

    “Hekmatullah was responsible for murdering three Australians, and our position is that he should never be released.”

    There’s a simple and cheap way to fix this.

    Don’t worry yourself.

    President Trump will fix this.

    He has a keen nose for what his fellow Americans want, and what they will tolerate for “peace”.

    There’s no way the 45th President of the United States of America will allow Hekmatullah to be released. There’s an election coming up you know.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Teddy Sheean to be awarded Victoria Cross

    I know it will stick in some throats here, but thanks also to ScoMo for overruling the oh, so PC Defence Minister and Angus Campbell on this one.

    Doesn’t stick in my craw. Well done Teddy, and long overdue. I hope it can stand too for those many heroes who have not been recognised so far and never will be; vale, to them all.

  137. Geriatric Mayfly

    Leigh Lowe
    #3542376, posted on August 10, 2020 at 9:19 am Money.
    I am a paid agent provocateur.

    Guerrilla sans frontiers, surely.

  138. Bear Necessities

    Troll Level 11

    Trump responds to Mt Rushmore rumours.

  139. Here’s a rather nasty scenario which will deliver the Presidency of the US to Nancy Pelosi.
    Scroll down a bit to find the mechanics in which the 20th amendment is used to after counting has been delayed deliberately …

  140. jo

    Zatara
    #3540550, posted on August 8, 2020 at 4:54 pm

    I have had to fill out IRS declaration forms for CommSec, but I’ve never owned a US asset directly, nor have I set foot there.

    They’re an Evil Empire.

    Only if you let them be mate. I’ve beaten them at their game quite often.

    I can guarantee the Privileged Whites never even said thankyou for being murdered.

  141. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    THOT is THOTting, soy bot wonders if hes being paranoid and recieves the worst advice of his life, ever.

    soy boy deserves what’s coming

  142. Fisky

    60 Minutes: 85% of new high-rise apartment towers defective

    Here’s an incredible, not to mention shameful, statistic about Australia’s building industry. 85% of new high-rise apartment towers are defective. The rate of shoddy workmanship has increased dramatically as governments around the country have encouraged more developers to build more high-density housing as a way of containing urban sprawl. As a result, many unsuspecting buyers, trying to put a roof over their heads, are learning a painful lesson: that the cost of cutting corners is very expensive.

    It is simply impossible to build safe apartment blocks and keep up with 230,000+ net migration per year at the same time. You have to choose. One or the other.

  143. areff

    The Age reports in outraged tones the existence of an illegal slaughterhouse in outer suburban Melbourne, where animals have their throats cut and “thrash about for five minutes”.

    Terrible stuff …. yet nowhere in the story do the words “halal”, “isssslam” or “moose limb” appear.

    How can any editor allow a piece to go up that pointedly ignores the “why” in regard to a news story?

    Silly question. We all know why.

  144. Fisky

    The only reason there aren’t more Mascot Towers scandals is millions of apartment owners are terrified of going public lest their investment value immediately drop to zero. Best to just keep it mum, hope and pray for some patch up repairs, and then flog it off (at a loss) to the next unsuspecting punter.

  145. Dr Faustus

    Well, you know how you can leave a heater off all summer with just the pilot light on, and just fire it up in April?
    Well, businesses can do that.
    Apparently.

    Unfortunately I neglected to light mine back in April, when, against expert advice, it looked unlikely that border restrictions would be lifted and it would all be ‘back to normal’ by September.

    The penalty for being a glass-half-empty, risk assessing sort of bloke, I suppose.

  146. JC

    twostix
    #3542667, posted on August 10, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    There’s been nearly 200 vaccines announced so far.

    Most are complete bullshit media releases designed to pump up company stock prices.

    The only realistic ones are apparently made from ground up aborted baby kidneys.

    Tell me this isn’t hell, go on.

    Stix, I don’t believe that unless you present some reasonable evidence.

  147. Fisky:

    The rate of shoddy workmanship has increased dramatically as governments around the country have encouraged more developers to build more high-density housing as a way of containing urban sprawl.

    Are the upper echelons of our government actually capable of any sort of competency?
    The amount of stuffups in planning and execution would have to be without parallel in the national history!
    FFS, bring back the Rum Corps.

  148. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    He’s got talent. But riding a bike ain’t one of them.

    simon should stick to his Rolls

  149. William the Conjuror

    NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian backs Treasurer Dominic Perrottet over iCare scandal

    Of course she does. So:

    An audit will now be conducted into Mr Perrottet’s office by Treasury Secretary Michael Pratt.

    The Opposition has raised concerns about the Treasury Secretary conducting the review, because Mr Pratt was previously the Deputy Chair of iCare.

    “It’s a sham inquiry, into a sham arrangement,” the Opposition’s spokesman for finance Daniel Mookhey said.

    “The person who is now investigating the Treasurer’s office himself is entitled to be asked questions.”

    Gladys, maybe the Auditor-General should do this inquiry?

  150. twostix

    Stix, I don’t believe that unless you present some reasonable evidence.

    Which bit?

  151. JC

    The only realistic ones are apparently made from ground up aborted baby kidneys.

    Tell me this isn’t hell, go on.

  152. Des Deskperson

    “Similar, if not identical, outplacement considerations are also regularly undertaken in the private sector, for both “stars” and less prominent employees.’

    Here’s what the ABC enterprise agreement says about redeployment and retraining arrangements for potentially excess lower and middle management staff who are employed under that agreement:

    “At the employee’s discretion, the ABC will continue to explore redeployment and retraining possibilities for up to six weeks from the date the employee was first notified under 54.6.1 that they are redundant.’

    A six week time frame doesn’t quite sound like the sort of extended redeployment arrangements available to Alberici and her colleagues – engaged under individual contracts – as reported by the Oz. The Oz may be wrong, but we have no idea of the employment arrangements and benefits that the ABC stars receive under their individual contracts, as these are confidential.

  153. Fisky

    The reason why Mascot Towers (and many others) was allowed to happen is because the occupation certification industry has been deregulated and they are in the pocket of developers, all in the name of “cutting red tape”. Terrible.

  154. Dr Faustus

    The aged-care sector did not have a plan to deal with the coronavirus pandemic, a royal commission has heard

    “While there was undoubtedly a great deal done to prepare the Australian health sector more generally for the pandemic, the evidence will reveal that neither the Commonwealth Department of Health nor the aged-care regulator developed a COVID-19 plan specifically for the aged-care sector,”

    Surely there is no real evidence of this…

  155. JC

    Fisk

    You need to be very careful with 60 Minutes because a lot of the stuff they come out with is patently fake news. See their gerbil warming reports for instance like the Barrier Reef is dead on arrival.
    Generally speaking Australian construction is first rate, first world stuff.

    The reports mentions there are defects with new construction. Of course there are defects with almost all construction. At the end of a build there will always be a punch list.

    I tend to suspect the people they interviewed have a vested interest to make up bullshit.

    Don’t let you biases get in the way of discerning accurate news against fake bullshit. Macrobusines is but one example with those trogs promoting South American monetary policy. Ensure your bullshit antenna is well polished and synced to the right bandwidth.

  156. JC

    Stix

    Okay, so it’s 5 vaccine candidates out of the total 200 that you mentioned and there’s no real evidence these are the only contenders.

    The Australian one showing really good potential.. does that use aborted cells? Do the Oxford one, or the candidate from Moderna?

  157. Pedro the Loafer

    Questions for military Cats.

    Will Teddy Sheean get the Victoria Cross Imperial award or the Victoria Cross for Australia?

    Does the Victoria Cross for Australia need the Queen’s consent?

    Interested in the protocols.

  158. Fisky

    You need to be very careful with 60 Minutes because a lot of the stuff they come out with is patently fake news. See their gerbil warming reports for instance like the Barrier Reef is dead on arrival.
    Generally speaking Australian construction is first rate, first world stuff.

    It was the NSW government that appointed a building commissioner to investigate widespread shoddy work within the industry. So there obviously is a problem regardless of what a bunch of journos think.

    I tend to suspect the people they interviewed have a vested interest to make up bullshit.

    You should say which people in particular were lying if you think that’s the case. The reality is, apartment owners have an incentive NOT to make anything public, because once they do their retirement basically hinges on the outcome of a court case they can’t control, and builders have limited liability for structural defects.

  159. JC

    It was the NSW government that appointed a building commissioner to investigate widespread shoddy work within the industry. So there obviously is a problem regardless of what a bunch of journos think.

    And a public servant would never exaggerate things to secure his position longer term. We should always believe tax eaters, right?

    You should say which people in particular were lying if you think that’s the case.

    “You” as in me? You’re the one who came on here claiming 60 minutes has found most of high-rise Sydney will get blown over is the next wind gust. Perhaps it ought to be you who backs up the claim.

    The reality is, apartment owners have an incentive NOT to make anything public, because once they do their retirement basically hinges on the outcome of a court case they can’t control, and builders have limited liability for structural defects.

    Builders take out insurance. In fact they MUST take out insurance.

    What are the defects? Be specific.

  160. Fisky

    A total beat-up by 60 Minutes…

    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/most-nsw-apartments-have-building-defects-210000777.html

    Building defects in the Opal Tower and Mascot Towers have cost residents financially and emotionally, but the Grenfell Tower disaster in London cost dozens of people their lives.

    However, a new report from Deakin University has revealed 97 per cent of apartment buildings in New South Wales, and 85 per cent across Australia have some form of structural defect.

    It follows studies by the University of New South Wales’ City Futures Research Centre which found 85 per cent of high-rise buildings in NSW built since 2000 have had some form of defects.

    Fabric and cladding defects were the most prevalent, followed by fire protection, waterproofing, roof and rainwater disposal and structural issues, lead researcher and senior lecturer at Deakin Business School, Dr Nicole Johnston said today.

  161. Fisky

    So let’s take stock here. Either we have a conspiracy of the NSW government, the ABC, 60 Minutes, Macrobusiness and Deakin University to collapse the apartment market with fake news, or….(and hear me out here)…the apartment construction industry is rife with defects that threaten the retirement of virtually anyone who bought in the last 15 years.

  162. P

    Coronavirus, vaccines, and Catholic ethics

    On July 27, the biotech company Moderna and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) announced that their vaccine was entering phase 3 of clinical trials, during which it will be tested for safety and effective prevention of the virus in two doses.

    Another vaccine being developed by the University of Oxford in collaboration with Astrazeneca has entered phase 3 of trials.

    The Trump administration is funding several vaccine candidates as part of “Operation Warp Speed,” including the two by Moderna/NIAID and the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca.

    Some of the vaccines being developed to fight the new coronavirus are using the HEK-293 cell line, one commonly used in vaccines and which is derived from aborted fetal tissue. The candidate being developed by the University of Oxford and Astrazeneca is using this cell line.

    Other candidates do not use this cell line, such as one being developed by Sanofi Pasteur.
    The Moderna vaccine candidate does not rely on this HEK-293 cell line for production. Rather, it uses a Spike protein, the gene sequence of which was determined through testing that involved a HEK-293 cell line. The gene sequence was not determined by Moderna scientists, but was simply selected by the company as the target for the vaccine.

  163. JC

    However, a new report from Deakin University has revealed 97 per cent of apartment buildings in New South Wales, and 85 per cent across Australia have some form of structural defect.

    Every building has some form of structural defect. The question is , how material are these forms of structural defects. Be specific.

    Fabric and cladding defects were the most prevalent, followed by fire protection, waterproofing, roof and rainwater disposal and structural issues,

    These are NOT structural defects. A structural defect means the building could topple over or floors cascade into themselves.

    Let’ look at Doc Nicole’s Bio.

    Position
    Senior Lecturer
    Faculty
    Faculty of Business and Law
    Department
    BL Deakin Business School
    Campus
    Melbourne Burwood Campus
    Qualifications

    Doctor of Philosophy, Griffith University, 2017
    Graduate Certificate of Higher Ed. Learning & Teaching, Deakin University, 2017
    Master of Criminology & Criminal Justice, Griffith University, 2009
    Bachelor of Law(s) (Honours), Griffith University, 2005
    Bachelor of Arts (Criminology & Criminal Justice/Psychology), University of Queensland, 1998

    Dr Nicole Johnston is a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Finance in Deakin Business School. Nicole is a socio-legal researcher focusing on multiple aspects of multi-owned properties (strata title, condominium, apartments) including governance, conflicts of interest and legal relationships.

    So this bint has second rate Arts and law degrees and she’s “analyzing” high level construction engineering as well as offering opinions…..and you Fisk consider her qualified to speak on engineering issues?

  164. K2

    I saw a bloke on Camp Rd. Broadmeadows pulling a twin-axle cage trailer full of sheep. It sounded like he had a Mr. Whippy siren going too.

  165. William the Conjuror

    Here’s what the ABC enterprise agreement says about redeployment and retraining arrangements for potentially excess lower and middle management staff who are employed under that agreement:

    “At the employee’s discretion, the ABC will continue to explore redeployment and retraining possibilities for up to six weeks from the date the employee was first notified under 54.6.1 that they are redundant.’

    A six week time frame doesn’t quite sound like

    You didn’t get the same. You didn’t? Ah.

    Up to twelve months to accept alternative employment is what I’ve seen in private enterprise before the outplacement efforts are curtailed.

  166. notafan

    Sorry LL

    Been out storming the barracades.

    I don’t remember.

    Sometimes about humble Afghani farmers

    Might be the accidental terrorist?

  167. Fisky

    Sorry JC, I’m just trying to take stock of your position here. You obviously don’t believe there is any problem with high-rise construction in Australia at all, that the NSW government was wrong to claim that self-regulation of certification had “failed” (the Premier’s words) and appointing a building commissioner was also wrong???

    Because that’s a position literally no one else in the country holds (save for a few dodgy certifiers, and “phoenix” builders trading under new names).

  168. rickw

    The reason why Mascot Towers (and many others) was allowed to happen is because the occupation certification industry has been deregulated and they are in the pocket of developers, all in the name of “cutting red tape”. Terrible.

    Nope. The most likely reasons:

    QA/QC inspection is either incompetent, negligent or paid off. Unlikely, the consequences are huge. Cast in situ concrete is also pretty forgiving, you can build them badly and they still work ok, a very forgiving method for poor workmanship.

    Sub-standard Chicom rebar and cement has finally reached a level of use in Australia that has caused Australian buildings to behave like Chicom buildings. “Tofu Building” is the Chicom term.

    My money is on the latter.

    We did independent QA/QC on Chicom materials for a project in PNG. Their bolts and nuts in particular were just horrible. Main contractor was late getting this activity underway, thousands were installed, had to re-run all the calcs based on tested median yield strength.

    Application of Third World building materials to first world building designs is very dangerous. I was on a building fit out in Bangalore, one building there had experienced a full vertical collapse of 8 floors killing 300 workers. European Design plus Indian Cement and Rebar = Disaster.

  169. Herodotus

    Quite a “rainbow” following you have there Bruce!

  170. JC

    So let’s take stock here. Either we have a conspiracy of the NSW government, the ABC, 60 Minutes, Macrobusiness and Deakin University to collapse the apartment market with fake news, or….(and hear me out here)…the apartment construction industry is rife with defects that threaten the retirement of virtually anyone who bought in the last 15 years.

    Calm down and lets take things one at a time.

    1. I’d want more opinions rather than relying on a tax eating parasite appointed by the NSW government to find and exaggerate construction problems. Dam right I do as any reasonable person would.

    2. Their ABC and 60 minutes are notorious fake news punters. There’s nothing I’d believe they peddled on a controversial subject with little more than take them at face value.

    3. Macrobusiness was an advocacy site where people needed to tread carefully. After they published the piece on MMT it became a junk site. Zero credibility.

    4. The bint from Deakin is NOT qualified to express any opinion on construction engineering. In fact, not only isn’t she qualified, the bint should be fired for even venturing into this territory. If I were Deakin’s vice-Chancellor, I’d fire her immediately for bringing the institution into disrepute.

    So yea, it looks like fake news to me.

  171. Mother Lode

    I may need to get a new doormat, as my current one looks delicious.

    I remember we used to get Rosella soup in cans.

  172. Herodotus

    Rosella soup was overtaken technologically by Aeroplane Jelly.

  173. JC

    Sorry JC, I’m just trying to take stock of your position here. You obviously don’t believe there is any problem with high-rise construction in Australia at all, that the NSW government was wrong to claim that self-regulation of certification had “failed” (the Premier’s words) and appointing a building commissioner was also wrong???

    Go and read what I’ve said and read it slowly this time. I said there are always problems after construction is completed. This is why there’s always a punch list post construction. I also believe Australian construction is first world standards.

    As for the government proclaiming there are issues…. Honest to God, there’s never been a time since Federation or even before where governments have exaggerated non-problems in order to make a false gain politically by pretending they’re doing something. Just kidding.

    The doing-something shtick has made this country the biggest crybaby nanny state in the western world.

    Because that’s a position literally no one else in the country holds (save for a few dodgy certifiers, and “phoenix” builders trading under new names).

    Lol. We should all be unquestioning sheeple if it fits into our briefcase.

  174. JC

    Let me put a question to you, Fisk.

    Do you think Doc Nicole from Deakin is qualified to discuss construction engineering? Yes or no.

  175. notafan

    Essential new signage along the freeway.

    Something about the missing link

    In the freeway system.

    North something?

    (It’s not all about you)

  176. Fisky

    So yea, it looks like fake news to me.

    OK, that’s a dumb bet to take, but it’s all yours. This is now my trolling feed for as long as this issue plays out (basically forever). The implications of the Design Building Practitioners Bill 2019 (passed two months ago) and it’s retrospective duty of care provisions ensure plenty of class actions are in the pipeline.

  177. Mark A

    rickw
    #3542750, posted on August 10, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    The reason why Mascot Towers (and many others) was allowed to happen is because the occupation certification industry has been deregulated and they are in the pocket of developers, all in the name of “cutting red tape”. Terrible.

    Nope. The most likely reasons:

    Sub-standard Chicom rebar and cement has finally reached a level of use in Australia that has caused Australian buildings to behave like Chicom buildings. “Tofu Building” is the Chicom term.

    I agree, the inducement for an inspector to look the other way as far as important structural safety aspect are concerned would be more than the “saving” for the builder.

    Substandard materials, was my early thought.

  178. Makka

    My money is on the latter.

    Similar situations rearing their ugly head in construction projects around the ME, particularly Dubai and the Gulf. Major structural issues in foundations above ground structures.

  179. Speedbox

    Moscow’s Gamelei Center could register the world’s first coronavirus vaccine on August 12, Russia’s deputy health minister has revealed. Oleg Gridnev says medical workers and the elderly will be given priority for immunization.

    The senior minister at the department, Mikhail Murashko, announced last week that a nationwide mass vaccination program is planned to begin in October. Murashko added that all expenses will be covered by the government.

    “The registration of the vaccine developed at the Gamelei Center will take place on August 12,” Gridnev told journalists in Ufa on Friday morning, as cited by RIA Novosti. “Now the last stage, the third, is underway. This is the testing part and is extremely important. We have to understand that the vaccine itself must be safe.”

    The Health Ministry, in an official statement, clarified that “the documents required for registration of the vaccine developed by the Gamelei Center, including data from clinical trials, are under examination. The issue of its registration will be decided upon the results of the examination.”

    The speed with which Russia has managed to research and approve a formula has raised some eyebrows in the West, but Vadim Tarasov, a top scientist at Sechenov, said the country had a head start as it has spent the last 20 years developing skills in this field and trying to understand how viruses transmit.

    The technology behind the Russian vaccine is based on adenovirus, the common cold. Created artificially, the vaccine proteins replicate those of Covid-19, triggering “an immune response similar to that caused by the coronavirus itself,” Tarasov said. In other words, immunization is similar to having survived the virus, but without its life-threatening risks.

    Other countries are also developing their own potential vaccines, most notably Britain and the US. Last month, researchers at the University of Oxford said their formula appears safe and seems to trigger an immune response. It is made from a genetically engineered virus responsible for giving chimpanzees the common cold. The UK government has already ordered 100 million doses.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/497360-russia-first-covid19-vaccine/

  180. notafan

    Melbourne ports also looked busy.

    And it’s a beautiful day in melbograd. Lots of people out enjoying the sunshine.

    Though in POS news ( protection Officers of service) running lady (in the middle of nowhere) got bailed up for a 5km from home check. Officers demanded to see her electronic device so they could verify.

    Those emergency powers are fantastic for Karens in uniform.

    Running lady of course, presented zero risk to anybody.

  181. JC

    I agree, the inducement for an inspector to look the other way as far as important structural safety aspect are concerned would be more than the “saving” for the builder.

    Of course you’d agree Mark A. You’re a socialist who believes only the gobermint is capable of ensuring good building practices. Anyone in the private consulting sphere has to be a cook, by definition because only tax eating parasites can offer superior construction. Private consultants are greedy and will cut corners.

  182. JC

    Similar situations rearing their ugly head in construction projects around the ME, particularly Dubai and the Gulf. Major structural issues in foundations above ground structures.

    Dubai and the Gulf are part of NSW now?

  183. jupes

    Teddy Sheean to be awarded Victoria Cross

    Well done TE!

    It’s not every day that a Cat gets their efforts rewarded on this scale. This is huge. The first and only RAN VC.

  184. notafan

    Twistedstix

    Couldn’t get it more wrong.

    Victoria might have a covid outbreak but that is beaten hands down by Queensland’s hysteria outbreak.

    Though it seems to be a permanent affliction with zero chance of a vaccine.

  185. notafan

    Congratulations from me too TE

  186. Armadillo

    Dubai and the Gulf are part of NSW now?

    Western Sydney isn’t that flash. It’s more like a cross between Pakistan and Nigeria.

  187. Armadillo

    Oh…you meant building regulations? Carry on.

  188. JC

    Not to mention melbourne burbs in the north.

    You know, I’ve never been to Broadmeadows.

  189. Makka

    Dubai and the Gulf are part of NSW now?

    So you’re basing your entire argument on your deep knowledge of construction and materials used? Have you forgotten your struggles with how screwdrivers work and shelf installation?

    Dodgy materials, fixtures, fittings, fasteners etc exist and are exceedingly cheap in China. Importing them from China and other places extremely easy. All supposedly made to a spec. It happens here and the Gulf.

    The effects will vary. Most defects will be repairable but with substantial intervention into walls and other internal structures. But, there will be some that are really serious allowing movement and cracking. Not so so fixable.

    The overall situation being a huge suspicion in the market resulting in devaluation of the properties under suspicion and hi-rise generally. Would you invest a $mill of your hard earned in an apartment built in the last decade, knowing everything that’s coming out? Worth the risk of say 1 of 100 apartment owners blowing the whistle on a defect and inviting the media in or sharing on Fb?

  190. Scott Morrison has as much substance as Bob Carr.

    NEWS.com.au: Scott Morrison slams ‘hideous’ virus suggestion to ‘offer up’ older people.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/scott-morrison-slams-hideous-virus-suggestion-to-offer-up-older-australians/news-story/f3f41fe9e8e59c2960ebab19afff4b2d

    “That is a just hideous thought. An absolutely amoral, hideous thought. One that I’ve had no countenance with when it’s been suggested.”

    Totally wrong. The death rate has not gone up in a statistically significant way.

    Besides, look at all of the deaths in aged care!

  191. rickw

    I agree, the inducement for an inspector to look the other way as far as important structural safety aspect are concerned would be more than the “saving” for the builder.

    Of course you’d agree Mark A. You’re a socialist who believes only the gobermint is capable of ensuring good building practices. Anyone in the private consulting sphere has to be a cook, by definition because only tax eating parasites can offer superior construction. Private consultants are greedy and will cut corners.

    Huh? Mark is saying the “economics” of bribing inspectors doesn’t stack up, so most probably that isn’t the problem. Unless I’m mistaken.

  192. Pay for your own building inspector as a purchaser.

    You would trust them more than some council muppet.

  193. rickw

    Pay for your own building inspector as a purchaser.

    You would trust them more than some council muppet.

    Exactly.

  194. incoherent rambler

    You know, I’ve never been to Broadmeadows.

    Lovely place.
    Take an armed escort when you make the trip.

  195. JC

    So you’re basing your entire argument on your deep knowledge of construction and materials used? Have you forgotten your struggles with how screwdrivers work and shelf installation?

    Trades Hall, you’re really are terrible at even the most basic level of comprehension. In fact you’re fucking shocking at it.

    To sum up:
    Fisk brought up a segment shown on 60 Minutes. I suggested that anything that comes out of that sewer needs to questioned and checked…. and more.. third checked.

    You subsequently did a high dive into this discussion by bringing up the very relevant subject of Middle East/Dubai construction practices. And now you’re asking me if I know anything about building trades.

    FMD.

    Dodgy materials, fixtures, fittings, fasteners etc exist and are exceedingly cheap in China. Importing them from China and other places extremely easy. All supposedly made to a spec. It happens here and the Gulf.

    And everything imported is sub-standard because you’re aware of every single product, right?

    The effects will vary. Most defects will be repairable but with substantial intervention into walls and other internal structures. But, there will be some that are really serious allowing movement and cracking. Not so so fixable.

    Fisk, introduced an Arts/Law graduate from a third rate university raising those very complaints. Let’s hope you can at least introduce an engineer. Can you?

    The overall situation being a huge suspicion in the market resulting in devaluation of the properties under suspicion and hi-rise generally. Would you invest a $mill of your hard earned in an apartment built in the last decade, knowing everything that’s coming out? Worth the risk of say 1 of 100 apartment owners blowing the whistle on a defect and inviting the media in or sharing on Fb?

    Some Australians have finally learned you can actually lose a lot of money in real estate especially with apartments. My hunch is this is where a lot of sour grapes comes from. Australians are finally learning that it isn’t construction that appreciates, it’s land! It’s a pity this lesson is painful.

  196. JC

    Legalise Sedition
    #3542781, posted on August 10, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    Pay for your own building inspector as a purchaser.

    You would trust them more than some council muppet.

    Yep. We’ve always used an architect who also obtains an engineer’s report.

  197. Infidel Tiger King

    Pay for your own building inspector as a purchaser.

    You would trust them more than some council muppet.

    How are they going to analyse the quality of the concrete and rebar?

    Building inspections are very limited in the scope of what they can check.

  198. JC

    Huh? Mark is saying the “economics” of bribing inspectors doesn’t stack up, so most probably that isn’t the problem. Unless I’m mistaken.

    Doesn’t look like it to me. But if he is and says how and why, I’m happy to take it back. I can’t imagine anything worse than being tagged a socialist accept perhaps a murderer or kiddie fiddler. They’re all the same thing anyways.

  199. Herodotus

    Since they’ve go shot of James Murdoch, next should be Chris Wallace, who has just done a soft interview of Pelosi.

  200. JC

    How are they going to analyse the quality of the concrete and rebar?

    Engineering specs would contain that.

    Building inspections are very limited in the scope of what they can check.

    Depends what you pay for. Pay peanuts and you always end up with monkeys. But seriously, if you’re spending a mill plus on an apartment, you should at least spend 10k on a decent thorough report.

  201. Makka

    To sum up:

    You know nothing about construction or how the industry operates. All builders are saints and operate ethically, as do their Chinese suppliers.

    Pay for your own building inspector as a purchaser.

    Safest option plus some research on the builder and how the build went down.

  202. JC

    Huh? Mark is saying the “economics” of bribing inspectors doesn’t stack up, so most probably that isn’t the problem. Unless I’m mistaken.

    Doesn’t look like it to me. But if he is and says how and why, I’m happy to take it back. I can’t imagine anything worse than being tagged a socialist accept perhaps a murderer. They’re the same thing anyways.

  203. Cold-Hands

    Fair few strange animals in Victoria, but hopefully they’ll not end up being dug up by archaeologists.

    No, they’ll have been eaten by the starving populace, Venezuela-style

  204. Mark A

    How are they going to analyse the quality of the concrete and rebar?

    Samples are taken of every batch of concrete poured.
    Been like that since forever on every commercial site.

  205. JC

    You know nothing about construction or how the industry operates.

    You know even less about comprehension. Shocking at it.

    All builders are saints and operate ethically, as do their Chinese suppliers.

    All the more reason to choose wisely and obtain expert advice. On the other hand, you just want more gubinment, which is typical of a narrow minded unionist mentality. That’s the sort of thing that fucked this country up very badly.

  206. Cold-Hands

    Apologies if this has been linked to earlier…
    Open up now: Open letter to Australian heads of government.
    The text & headline signatories to the Open Letter to end lockdown.

    To: The National Cabinet

    Dear Prime Minister, State Premiers, Territory Chief Ministers,

    We, the undersigned, believe that you should relax COVID-19 restrictions as soon as possible. We take this position for the following reasons.

    Exposure to COVID-19 is only temporarily avoidable

    COVID-19 is in the community. It cannot be wished away. A successful, widely available vaccine is months away from existence, if it ever exists. We note that the original SARS (SARS-CoV) infection, also due to a coronavirus, does not yet have a vaccine. However, it now appears that humans do develop resistance to COVID-19.

    Any policy that rests on COVID-19 being eliminated from the community by continuous lockdowns is doomed to fail in the likely absence of a vaccine. Even if a vaccine is eventually found, it is not desirable to lock down the community, for reasons that we explain below.[1]

    While there is a risk to life from COVID-19, it cannot be completely avoided, and the cost to fully avoid it exceeds the benefits by a huge factor.

    As the country opens up to more interaction, we expect that infections will rise again. Counteracting these via another lockdown will be problematic.
    More damage is being caused by the lockdowns than prevented

    While lockdowns limit the number of deaths from COVID-19, they also increase deaths from other causes and cause widespread misery. To analyse the COVID effect it is necessary to understand it as shortening life. But the lockdowns and the panic have also had a cost in shortening life for others:

    – The lockdown will decrease national income by denying work to the most productive and this will have a measurable effect on the length of the average lifespan equivalent to thousands of casualties from COVID, because it mainly effects the elderly who suffer from comorbidities while the decrease in income will affect younger Australians.[2]

    – Thousands of lives per month due to disrupted normal health services. This includes cancer deaths that would have been prevented with normal services, inoculations that were cancelled or postponed, and cancelled and postponed hospital operations. In the UK the UCL has estimated an increase in cancer deaths over the next 12 months of 20%. Using Australia’s rate of cancer fatalities of 50,000 per annum, that would translate to a shortening of 10,000 lives here[3].

    – Thousands of future suicides by the unemployed and others whose lives have been ruined (the AMA estimates 750 to 1500 per annum[4],[5]).

    Besides these direct life costs, there is also significant misery that has reduced the quality of life: the abused who are locked up with their abusers; the elder generations who are separated from their own families and friends; widespread loneliness; delayed IVF services; the misery of the unemployed; and disrupted education for a whole generation of Australian children.

    If one values this widespread misery in terms of its effect on the wellbeing of the sufferers, the lockdowns cost hundreds of thousands of years of life per month, equivalent to tens of thousands of deaths from COVID-19.[6]

    On the other side of the equation, how many lives are saved by lockdowns? No one can know for sure, but we note that no country in the world has had more recorded per-capita deaths than what would translate to 20,000 victims in Australia (0.1% of the population). Sweden, which has kept open borders and allows the vulnerable to make their own decisions regarding the risks they are prepared to take, has had about 4,400 recorded deaths, having reach peak death rates weeks ago. Since their population is about half of ours, their per-capita death toll would translate to about 10,000 deaths in Australia the same as the increase in the next twelve months in cancer deaths, but affecting people with less life expectancy on average than the cancer patients[7].
    How we measure and respond to epidemics has to change

    COVID-19 was originally thought to be more dangerous than it has proved to be. Early official government estimates for Australia suggested 150,000 people would die earlier than otherwise because of COVID, while as of June 1 it was 103 deaths[8]. With a new virus, a lack of data is a problem, but so are models that are not robust and transparent. Decisions have been made that are opaque and not subject to normal democratic scrutiny. Goalposts appear to have been changed, but this re-direction, and the reasons behind it, have not been adequately shared with the community.

    We need to change the way that decisions about how the community responds to transmissible diseases are made.

    We recommend that the following changes be made to how decisions are made. This is not a conclusive list, but as the situation is dynamic, it is offered as a guide which can be refined over time.

    * No forecasting model can be used where the program code is not publicly available for analysis and download;
    * A cost-benefit analysis, including lives saved versus lives lost, both directly and consequentially, based on the best available information, must be completed before any action is taken;
    *Weekly or daily non-epidemic death figures should be posted as well as deaths from the epidemic;
    *The types of people who must be part of the advisory group to government should be specified in writing, and be more inclusive than what we appear to have at the moment;
    *No directive or regulation restricting individual rights can be promulgated without approval by Parliament within a one-month window.

    Yours faithfully

    Hon Campbell Newman AO
    Hon Ian McFarlane
    Professor Paul Frijters
    Professor Gigi Foster
    Professor Peter Swan AO
    Professor Augusto Zimmerman
    Professor James Allan
    Professor Chris Doucouliagos
    Professor David Feldman
    Emeritus Professor Gabriel Moens
    Emeritus Professor Allan Layton
    Professor Benno Torgler
    Professor Timothy Olds
    Associate Professor Terry Gygar
    Associate Professor William Coleman
    Associate Professor James Doran
    Associate Professor Aydogan Ulker
    Dr Tony Beatton
    Graham Young Australian Institute for Progress
    Brian Marlow Australian Taxpayers Alliance
    Ron Manners AO Mannkal Economic Education Foundation
    Trevor St Baker AO
    Stuart Ballantyne
    Bob Day AO
    David Leyonhjelm
    Jacqueline Anderton
    Peter Hunt AM
    Tania de Jong AM
    Dr Guy Campbell
    Charles Kovess

    [1] https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/these-strong-measures-are-going-to-send-us-broke/news-story/695ef4730a0bf72085f66d2f34597863
    [2] This standard calculation puts the costs of the lock downs via the economic collapse as at least 24 times higher than the benefit, even under high fatality from covid: https://clubtroppo.com.au/2020/05/18/the-corona-cost-benefit-analyses-of-richard-holden-bruce-preston-and-neil-bailey-ooops/
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/05/run-the-numbers-survey-the-folly/
    [3] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8265851/Coronavirus-crisis-UK-result-18-000-cancer-deaths-year.html
    [4] https://ama.com.au/media/joint-statement-covid-19-impact-likely-lead-increased-rates-suicide-and-mental-illness
    [5] https://theconversation.com/covid-lockdowns-have-human-costs-as-well-as-benefits-its-time-to-consider-both-137233
    [6] http://clubtroppo.com.au/2020/05/14/on-corona-covid-19-herd-immunity-and-wellby-tradeoffs-key-predictions-and-numbers/
    [7] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8265851/Coronavirus-crisis-UK-result-18-000-cancer-deaths-year.html
    [8] https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-prepares-for-50-000-to-150-000-coronavirus-deaths-20200316-p54amn.html

    **Your Signature**

  207. Mark A

    No inspector would muck about with approving sub structural elements on a high-rise, the risk is too great, besides most of them are not even required to do so it’s the design engineers job.

  208. Herodotus

    Wallace continues to carry water for the Democrats when interviewing Steve Mnuchin.

  209. JC

    Okay, MarkA. Next time you should be a little clearer in your communication.

  210. Cold-Hands

    Apologies if this has been linked to earlier…
    Open up now: Open letter to Australian heads of government. You can add your signature.

    I tried posting the text of the letter but it’s caught in the Spaminator… too many linked references.

  211. Infidel Tiger King

    Rather than a costly building inspection, all Chinese made building materials must be banned.

    All buildings made using them should have to fly yellow flags.

  212. Oh come on

    NPCs – still not a dead meme.

    Orange Man Bad

  213. Makka

    All the more reason to choose wisely and obtain expert advice. On the other hand, you just want more gubinment, which is typical of a narrow minded unionist mentality. That’s the sort of thing that fucked this country up very badly.

    No, I’m not advocating more Govt or unions, just proper enforcement of existing building codes and material specifications. Read what I stated, not what you choose to deceitfully infer.
    What fkd this country up very badly indeed is retard open borders loons like you who want a Big ‘Straya full of 3rd worlders .

  214. JC

    Infidel Tiger King
    #3542809, posted on August 10, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    Rather than a costly building inspection, all Chinese made building materials must be banned.

    All buildings made using them should have to fly yellow flags.

    There’s less heavy duty construction materials being made here because things like cement and steel carry a very large portion of production cost through the energy component. Cement is basically energy in a different form. If you’re going to start banning imported materials, I suggest you stop the country closing down and banning coal fired plants.

  215. Who has advocated for armed resistance on this site?

    It might have been me?
    Say lots of crazy things after two spliffs…
    Sorry everyone.
    Hi Mick!

  216. Natural Instinct

    I wonder when YouTube will take down this video:

    “I do believe it is time for the South to rise again” is not that woke at the moment

    Surprised they haven’t done it already.

  217. All buildings made using them should have to fly yellow flags.

    That’s awesome.
    I’ll get the tickets so I can install said flags.
    Can we put a Winnie the Pooh on the bottom corner?

  218. Does anyone know what Tiger does for a crust?
    He must have given a clue at some point? Before my time?

  219. Oh come on

    You would like that Orange Man Bad clip, Gunner

  220. Oh come on

    NPC Journalism

    Still relevant. The new media bloodbath continues.

  221. JC

    Read what I stated, not what you choose to deceitfully infer.

    It’s ironic how all the accusations you make of others are ingrained in your blog persona. There’s not a thing you accuse others of that isn’t you.

    What fkd this country up very badly indeed is retard open borders loons like you who want a Big ‘Straya full of 3rd worlders .

    Great example because I’m not and have said so many times. But you know this and peddle the same lie. On the other hand, hating business and profits as well as being totally against free labor markets is something you frequently peddle, Trades Hall.

  222. incoherent rambler

    Does anyone know what Tiger does for a crust?

    WA’s biggest sheep and iron ore porn site.

  223. Infidel Tiger King

    Does anyone know what Tiger does for a crust?

    Crash test dummy.

  224. Dr Faustus

    Well done TE!
    It’s not every day that a Cat gets their efforts rewarded on this scale. This is huge. The first and only RAN VC.

    On cue, Snot Albanese rushes forward claim credit:

    Anthony Albanese@AlboMP

    Ordinary Seaman Teddy Sheean was anything but ordinary. He was an Australian hero.

    I wrote about his service and sacrifice – and why he deserves a posthumous VC – back in May.

    It’s a story everyone should know. It’s a story we will rightly now honour

    I suspect the story Rubntug has in mind here is how brave AlboMP strapped himself to Sheean’s valor to fight through for the Aussie Battler.

  225. JC

    Does anyone know what Tiger does for a crust?

    He runs porn sites from the San Fernando Valley in California. He bullshits that he lives in WA. I reckon he’s Ron Jeremy.

  226. Armadillo

    Does anyone know what Tiger does for a crust?

    He’s a King.

    I thought his handle would have given it away. Apparently not.

  227. Mark A

    Natural Instinct
    #3542814, posted on August 10, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    I wonder when YouTube will take down this video:

    Don’t know about that, but what a disgusting habit, chewing gum on stage.
    One or both of the lasses at 1.05.

  228. Makka

    as well as being totally against free labor markets is something you frequently peddle,

    And yet, despite my challenging you so many times to back up your litany of lies, you are unable to find one single quote of mine. Not one. That’s because when you have lost the argument you resort to lying. Everyone sees it.

  229. Thanks,OCO, I’ll take a look when I catch up!
    👍
    #scrollbacklyfe

  230. JC

    And yet, despite my challenging you so many times to back up your litany of lies, you are unable to find one single quote of mine. Not one. That’s because when you have lost the argument you resort to lying. Everyone sees it.

    Trades, you’ve been given 1,347 opportunities to say you do. Here’s your chance (again) to say you support free labor markets without impediments.

    Go!

  231. Honestly, the Cat is my main news source.
    I have to read everything opened up on the floor here.
    But I’m still working for the man during the day.
    Tomorrow is the end.
    I’ll be all over the threads after that, mofos!
    I’m planning on live blogging my first night mission.
    With appropriate counter Intel, natch.
    Hi, Romanian secret police!

  232. Peter Ridd fundraiser has taken $760,730.
    Donations closed for the moment.

  233. JC

    Gunner, what type of work do you do?

  234. Armadillo

    I’m still surprised no one here even raised a whimper when he added “King” to his handle.

    I can’t believe the fucker got away with it. “Infidel Tiger Emperor” followed shortly afterwards by “Infidel Tiger God” will be next.

    Instead of handing out “Hail Marys” for your perceived indiscretions, he will be ordering 50 lashes or firing squads. Or both. Mark my words.

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