More on hydroxychloroquine

And it’s all Trump’s fault that it is not more widely used. I wonder if G W Bush and John Howard can be blamed as well? Not to mention Tony Abbott!

Poor countries all over the world are using Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and it appears to be very useful.

The new HCQTrial suggests that despite the billion dollar budgets and expert staff, people in wealthier countries are dying from Coronavirus at far higher rates than people are in lands where HCQ is being used. And the effect of HCQ apparently holds even after researchers correct for patients being older, heavier, with higher blood pressure, living in high density apartment towers, or with getting tested more.

If word ever gets out that the Politico-Academic-Corporate-Swamp buried useful drugs because they were unprofitable and out of patent, there will be hell to pay.

 

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37 Responses to More on hydroxychloroquine

  1. nb

    Actually it is the fault of Maggie Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and John Stuart Mill.

  2. I blame the Romans. What have the Romans ever done for us?

  3. Weeny

    I thought it was because Trump used it was why they aren’t using it in the western world.

  4. Kneel

    “If word ever gets out that the Politico-Academic-Corporate-Swamp buried useful drugs because they were unprofitable and out of patent, there will be hell to pay.”

    Ahem – it’s already “out”.
    Hell will only get its due if the MSM pick it up and run with it. Which will only be if Trump wins in November and can be blamed for not making it mandatory from day one. Some serious memory-holing will be required – do leftists control the wayback machine?

  5. One of the articles about HCQ and its effectiveness is written by Stephen Hatfill who knows well about government incompetence.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/04/an_effective_covid_treatment_the_media_continues_to_besmirch_143875.html

  6. Penny

    What the article didn’t point out in the flawed studies published by the Lancet and the NewEngland Journal of medicine was that toxic doses were given (a low dose is administered in CV) and that both journals are very much left leaning, the Lancet is very heavily into climate change. The WHO is also complicit in this scandal of banning the use of the HCQ regime
    Who is going Is going to institute a day of reckoning for governments who allowed people to die and get sick, when there was a perfectly sound treatment available, not only lives would have been saved economies too
    Suing governments is like suing yourself
    Conservative commentators could have done much more on this and should have woken up sooner … where’s Credlin on this? rather than talking unadulterated dangerous rubbish about making homemade masks from kits in Spotlight, she should have been on to this !!! I think it’s more important to follow the party line sucking up to press gallery journalists so she gets her safe seat
    I have on several times emailed and telephoned the offices of Scott Morrison, Greg Hunt and Gladys, they all say that evidence shows it does work and is unsafe , citing flawed and now removed studies !! Whoever I spoke to at Greg Hunts office said they were unaware of any studies showing the effectiveness of HCQ regime and would I send them links !!

  7. John Bayley

    people in wealthier countries are dying from Coronavirus at far higher rates…

    …which rates, however are still not significantly different from a bad flu year.

    Despite this, the sky is falling and only full-on Stalinist government can save us.

    So say ‘the experts’ so it must be true.

  8. Penny

    I meant to add to my post
    WHERE ARE THE AUSTRALIAN DOCTORS ON THIS ?? IT APPEARS THAT AMERICAN DOCTORS ARE MORE COURAGEOUS

  9. WHERE ARE THE AUSTRALIAN DOCTORS ON THIS ?? IT APPEARS THAT AMERICAN DOCTORS ARE MORE COURAGEOUS

    They have to follow what the AMA says.

  10. The Manager

    do leftists control the wayback machine?
    They sure do Kneel. The Ministry of Truth.

  11. Mark M

    “One example Hatfill cited that shows the drug has been effective in Switzerland, which briefly banned hydroxychloroquine after the bogus studies linking the drug to higher mortality rates came out.

    What happened? Just look at the graph.” ( http://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sante/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-works-irrefutable-proof)

    “Looking at the evolution curve of this index for Switzerland,” explain Michel Jullian and Xavier Azalbert for FranceSoir, “we note a ‘wave of excess lethality’ of two weeks from June 9th to 22nd, with a lag of a dozen days compared to the period of suspension of the use of hydroxychloroquine by WHO.

    This demonstrates, without possible rebuttal, the effect of stopping the delivery and use of this drug in Switzerland (country which follows the recommendations of the WHO, based in Geneva).

    During the weeks preceding the ban, the nrCFR index fluctuated between 3% and 5%.

    Some 13 days after the start of the prohibition, the nrCFR index increases considerably to be between 10 and 15% for 2 weeks.

    Some 12 days after the end of the prohibition, the lethality falls back to a lower level.”

    via: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/08/07/theres-a-mountain-of-evidence-that-hydroxychloroquine-is-an-effective-treatment-for-covid-19-n763953

  12. Mark M

    Not o/t, but a detour …

    The Victorian economy is about to take an almighty hammering, with those in the construction industry left nervous about what will happen next.
    When the 25 per cent limit rule, which will bring the construction industry to a halt, comes into effect at midnight, many workers will be forced off site.

    “When they’re doing concrete, there’s probably got in excess of 15 concreters on the site at one time,” he told A Current Affair reporter Sam Cucchiara.
    Under the new rules that won’t be allowed.

    “Hopefully people don’t go broke, don’t lose their houses, can feed their families, that’s the things that are important and then hopefully at the end of it Australia can get out of it because we’re going to be in a hell of a lot of debt.”

    https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-victoria-construction-industry-new-rules-leave-tradesman-worried/efbc53d2-647a-4da9-8d37-afb68f5a1374?ocid=Social-9News

    … or, they could see their doctor to use HCQ.

  13. C.L.

    The game the media seems to be playing – the ABC repeatedly – is to wilfully conflate cure with prophylaxis. This allows them to go on dismissing the drug’s efficacy as a “treatment” for COVID. Every single ABC report on HCQ mentions Donald Trump.

  14. OldOzzie

    A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

    Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

    “I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”Though Vallone went public with his coronavirus diagnosis in an April 1 Twitter post, saying he was experiencing “mild symptoms,” his actual condition was considerably more severe. Vallone’s initial prognosis was particularly grim, as he also suffers from sarcoidosis, an auto-immune disease that attacks his lungs.

    “We were in panic mode when I went down because I didn’t have a lot of immune response,” he said. “I needed something to stay alive.”

    Hydroxychloroquine “worked for me.”

    Vallone’s brother Peter, a former City Councilman and a current civil court judge in Queens, also became a convert after his brother’s illness.

    “I guess all those doctors who are prescribing it are right. This drug is already on the market and the patent is up so it’s cheap. A new drug won’t be. So big money does not want this drug to be used. Always follow the money,” Peter Vallone said in a May 12 Facebook post, sharing a link to an NYU study touting the drug.

    “[It] saved my life,” Paul Vallone said in the comments.

    The drug has proven controversial. In June, the Food and Drug Administration declared hydroxychloroquine “unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19.”

    Scientific studies about the drug’s efficacy have been mixed.

    Paul Vallone, however, remains grateful for the president’s advocacy.

    “At that time, there was only fear and panic, he offered hope in a possible treatment when there was none. With my sarcoidosis and then my COVID symptoms, It basically saved me. For that my family will always be thankful,“ he said.

  15. OldOzzie

    JoNova – Countries that use Hydroxychloroquine may have 80% lower Covid death rates
    The scandal from the Swamp: Too rich to get a cheap drug?

    Poor countries all over the world are using Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and it appears to be very useful.

  16. Judge Dredd

    What the article didn’t point out in the flawed studies published by the Lancet and the NewEngland Journal of medicine was that toxic doses were given

    That is true. And also it was given too late in the disease progression. It needs to be a low dose and early in getting the disease, or as a preventative.
    HCQ taken with Zinc seems to be the way to go.
    Now you have to wonder why the media, medical authorities and other influential people want the truth of HCQ effectiveness stopped?
    It’s cheap, it’s effective and it’s very safe.
    If you can get your hands on HCQ – do it.

  17. OldOzzie

    When one man’s poison is another’s medicine

    Terry McCrann

    I’m in a quandary. I am unable to decide which of two examples is the more egregious demonstration of the utterly mindless stupidity that results from regulatory pomposity combined with the “expertism” — that’s, to be clear, the fake version of good, human-enhancing expertise — that I lamented some columns ago.

    The first is the bureaucratic keepers of our public health, the Therapeutic Health Administration (TGA), designating a drug as a poison with the specific, stated reason of preserving supply of that drug-now-poison for those sick people who have been taking it to improve their health for some 65 years.

    Hmm, we’ll define something in widespread common use as a poison so it can be fed to people who need it. What next? Spinach? Avocados? Salmon? Carrots? The list is endless. Please go to work, TGA.

    Or, the Takeovers Panel pondering deeply for three weeks — that is surely navel-gazing par excellence — to explain why it decided to allow someone to withdraw an application to the Panel which it had never even got around to announcing it would accept in the first place.

    First the TGA and hydroxychloroquine, which went from just another common drug to the most devilish poison that has ever been invented (albeit, with that asterisk: it’s miraculously not a poison to those tens of thousands, actually tens of millions, of people around the world who have been taking it for decades) just because it passed the lips of President Donald Trump.

    That’s of course the word not the drug itself, although it had also literally passed his lips with no apparent ill-effect. Just shows how devilish he really is: he can chomp down on the poisonous HCQ as if they were M&Ms.

    You think I jest? Mock, yes, jest, no; and I quote from the relevant TGA notice in March: “I (the designated bureaucrat) decided to amend the Poisons Standard by creating a new Appendix D listing for hydroxychloroquine.”

    He/she went on: People seeking it to treat the virus were creating demand shortages and “this poses a serious health risk to individuals currently using this medication”.

    The TGA might reasonably argue that in March it needed to act to preserve supply for regular users. But designating it as a “poison”? Of which the most common definition is, and I quote, “a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed”.

    While, in almost literally the same bureaucratic breath, pleading that it was desperately needed to fight illness and prevent people from dying?

    That argument also vanished all-but immediately. HCQ is a widely available — and very widely used (so, where exactly are all the bodies?), very cheap generic. Within weeks Clive Palmer had 30 million doses that he offered to make available.

    Now the efficacy/harmfulness issues of HCQ are outside the scope of this column about surrealistic bureaucratic mindlessness, but I will note this.

    After the unrelenting tidal waves of Trump Derangement Syndrome-driven media and medical expertism attacking the drug, the Swiss which had been using it widely in late May banned its use. I have no information on whether they defined it as a “poison”.

    What happened? What’s called the “Case Fatality Ratio Index (CFRI)” for the virus rocketed — and I mean, tripled. So, just 13 days later, the Swiss revoked the ban.

    What happened then? The CFRI collapsed back to its prior HCQ-using levels. Bluntly, fewer — many fewer — people died. Apparently, the drug that’s a poison down under worked to save lives in Switzerland.

  18. Penny

    Bemused
    American doctors are supposed to follow their equivalent in the US
    by speaking out they are losing their jobs

  19. flyingduk

    Our medical fascists get worse. I am a physician and have reviewed the evidence for benefit and for harm with HCQ and have no doubt it is useful for COVID. I therefore took the trouble to go into several of my local pharmacies asking if they would fill HCQ scripts i wrote for my patients for COVID prophylaxis and treatment. All refused, saying that the ‘Pharmaceutical Society of Australia’ and the ‘Pharmacy Guild of Australia’ had issued instructions that HCQ scripts only be filled for approved uses like rheumatoid arthritis. So not only are our wise overlords incorrectly deeming that HCQ is ineffective, they are preventing those physicians who disagree with them from using it on their patients.

  20. calli

    Piers Ackerman has a piece on Invermectin in the dead tree Tele. Those with a sub might care to look it up.

  21. OldOzzie

    John
    34 minutes ago
    How interesting! This from a Swiss source that draws on medical experts …

    Treatment protocol

    Zinc (50mg to 100mg per day)º. – Yep taking daily
    Hydroxychloroquine (400mg per day)* – have supply
    Quercetin (500mg to 1000mg per day)º – Yep taking daily
    Bromhexine (50mg to 100mg per day)º
    Azithromycin (up to 500mg per day)* – have supply
    Heparin (usual dosage)*

    *) Prescription only (in most countries)
    º) Also prophylactically (for high-risk persons)

    Note: Quercetin may be used in addition to or as a replacement of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). Contraindications for HCQ (e.g. favism or heart disease) and azithromycin must be observed. Treatment duration is five to seven days. Prophylactic treatment requires lower doses.

    Comment on Terry McCann – https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/when-one-mans-poison-is-anothers-medicine/news-story/263cda24ea01a50ecc9418e667887495

  22. Rafe Champion

    Congratulations on your persistence Penny, you are the kind of letter-writer we can use in our campaign to explain the icebergs that will sink the RE program. These letters will follow up the briefing notes that are going out the all the Federal MPs. They can ignore my correspondence but they take more notice of their constituents and there is the possibility of establishing some degree of rapport with the staff if the correspondence is polite, persistent and informative. Labor reps also like stuff to beat the Coalition:)

    You might like to sign up for that campaign and also draft a letter that I can invite my team to send to their local members.

  23. OldOzzie

    calli

    Piers Akerman: Why are our health authorities ignoring Ivermectin’s potential to treat COVID?

    When you’re in a sinking boat you’ll bail with a tennis shoe to keep afloat, but Australia’s political-medical elites are stupidly ignoring potential tools with which to combat COVID-19. Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and Queensland’s Annastacia Palaszczuk are absolute disgraces, but given their track records no one should be surprised.

    Like almost all Labor politicians, they are better at playing politics than delivering good policy.

    For Andrews, it was more politically expedient to permit a Black Lives Matter mob march unhindered than protect the people of his state from further outbreaks.

    Ditto his reluctance to restrict gatherings in ethnic communities, even though it has now been admitted that not only were some people in the hardest-hit areas unable to understand ­notices in English, they were also illiterate in their own languages.

    NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian is doing what she can to recover from the Ruby Princess disaster but is still not thinking clearly about the disaster rolling out.

    Health officials at every level have demonstrated that years of public administration don’t produce the tactical thinking needed to devise strategies in times of crisis.

    This chaos has cost more than 270 lives so far (and we know the toll will continue rising) but the economic ­effect has been catastrophic.

    If the Beirut bomb was a shocker, our national economy is taking a hit beyond Hiroshima and Nagasaki ­proportions.

    Yet one common drug has been shown to be more effective than others in use against the coronavirus elsewhere. It could remove some of the fear and panic and help return the country to some sort of normality.

    I write this cautiously. I am not a member of the tin hat brigade, I am not a Red Bandanaman conspiracist, but I’ve spoken with doctors and explored the literature on this treatment and I encourage readers to do the same.

    On April 3, at Victoria’s Monash University, Dr Kylie Wagstaff, of the Biomedicine Discovery Institute, working with a team from the Peter Doherty Institute of Infection and Immunity, the University of Melbourne and the Royal Melbourne Hospital, announced that the common anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin kills the Sars-2 virus in a petri dish within 48 hours.

    The drug was not an unknown. In 2015, William Campbell and Satoshi Omura shared the Nobel prize in Physiology or Medicine for its discovery. Since its introduction 33 years ago, it has been used to treat a range of crippling parasitic infections across the tropics affecting tens of millions.

    Dr Wagstaff’s paper was read in Broward County, Florida, by Dr ­Juliana Cepelowicz, whose husband Belgian-born, US-trained Dr Jean-Jacque Rajter had a number of patients seemingly hopelessly infected with the virus when his wife, a pulmonologist, saw Dr Wagstaff’s paper. As Dr Rajter jokes in an online interview: “Nothing like bedroom literature.”

    Fortunately, Dr Cepelowicz had been wondering whether Ivermectin could be useful in the fight against COVID-19 because of its effectiveness against the zika virus, chikungunya and dengue.

    Dr Rajter had an elderly patient whose son was pleading on his ­mother’s behalf for a treatment, even experimental, and after outlining the risks and hazards, he administered Ivermectin. The woman miraculously recovered. He then he used it on ­another patient and another, with the same success and now it has been ­accepted as treatment within Broward County with quite extraordinary ­results.

    Trials are now taking place at 33 sites around the world. I must again stress my own reservations because the trials are small and rare.

    In Sydney, Dr Thomas Borody, the director of the Centre for Digestive Diseases, is the local champion for ­introduction of the drug here.

    “My aim is to get this into sick ­people,” he told me.

    Dr Borody was one of the large team which worked with Australia’s 2005 Nobel prize winners in Physiology or Medicine, Dr Barry Marshall and Dr Robin Warren, ­leading to their award-winning discovery of the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease.

    He says Ivermectin hasn’t received the attention it deserves because “no big pharma company is behind it”.

    Dr Borody has written about this drug to state and federal health ­authorities.

    He has expressed the prudent ­cautions any scientist would have but has received no interest. Why?

  24. Roger

    So not only are our wise overlords incorrectly deeming that HCQ is ineffective, they are preventing those physicians who disagree with them from using it on their patients.

    Flyingduk, I believe HCQ can be used in hospitals. It has certainly been used in Qld hospitals and would be again if we had any serious cases. The rationale for the restriction is to preserve supply in case there’s a mass of infections. Overly cautious, to be sure, but that is the nature of bureaucrats.

    Congratulations on your persistence Penny, you are the kind of letter-writer we can use in our campaign to explain the icebergs that will sink the RE program.

    The question is will the drag of RE sink the economy before our politicians realise the problem? The economic impact of the lockdowns exacerbates the situation.

  25. New Chum

    Clive Palmer Foundation donated 32900000 doses of HCQ to the national stockpile and also purchased chemicals to manufacture more to treat the Australian people and has a Brisbane chemist lined up to make more HCQ Hunt and Morrison already know of this. You might like to have a look around this website.
    http://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/

  26. New Chum

    Ivermectin if that the head lice killer i have read that an African has used it successfully.

  27. Alex

    Everyone responsible for preventing the use of HCQ must be held accountable for preventable deaths. This includes charges of manslaughter for the relevant members of the TGA, Pharmaceutical Society of Australia and the Pharmacy Guild of Australia.

  28. New Chum

    Sorry the above post should read
    Ivermectin if that is the head lice killer I have read that an African Country has used it successfully.

  29. New Chum

    I see that there are healthcare workers in Victoria infected why were they not on a protective medication where is workplace health and safety and their unions?

  30. flyingduk

    treatment protocol

    Zinc (50mg to 100mg per day)º. – Yep taking daily
    Hydroxychloroquine (400mg per day)* – have supply
    Quercetin (500mg to 1000mg per day)º – Yep taking daily
    Bromhexine (50mg to 100mg per day)º
    Azithromycin (up to 500mg per day)* – have supply
    Heparin (usual dosage)*

    I am a physician and my personal home ‘prevention and immune boosting regime’ to avoid COVID is:

    – Vitamin D 1000 IU/day (this is very important, Vitamin D is proven to improve immune function and many of us are deficient – Vitamin D is made naturally by sunlight on skin – D deficiency may largely explain the 2-4x worse COVID experience of the US and European brown and black populations – not ‘systemic racism’ )
    – Vitamin C 500 mg twice daily
    – Zinc 100mg daily (zinc inhibits viral RNA production inside the host cell – HCQ enhances Zinc entry into cells)
    – NAC 600mg twice daily (N-acetyl cysteine – an antioxidant)
    – Quercetin 500mg twice daily (a plant derived antioxidant)

    all are OTC or Ebay items

    At the first suspicion of COVID infection, I will add:

    – Azithromycin 500mg day one, then 250mg for 4 days
    – HCQ 200mg 3x daily
    – Ivermectin 150 mcg/kg x1
    – Increase Vitamin C to 500mg 4x daily
    – Aspirin 1x daily

    all bar the Vitamin C and Aspirin are script items, although some horse wormers contain ivermectin

  31. OldOzzie

    flyingduk
    #3541325, posted on August 9, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    I am a physician and my personal home ‘prevention and immune boosting regime’ to avoid COVID is:

    – Vitamin D 1000 IU/day (this is very important, Vitamin D is proven to improve immune function and many of us are deficient – Vitamin D is made naturally by sunlight on skin – D deficiency may largely explain the 2-4x worse COVID experience of the US and European brown and black populations – not ‘systemic racism’ ) – +1
    – Vitamin C 500 mg twice daily – +1
    – Zinc 100mg daily (zinc inhibits viral RNA production inside the host cell – HCQ enhances Zinc entry into cells) – +1
    – NAC 600mg twice daily (N-acetyl cysteine – an antioxidant) – NAC NOW 1000mg twice daily
    – Quercetin 500mg twice daily (a plant derived antioxidant) – +1

    all are OTC or Ebay items and delivered quickly

    At the first suspicion of COVID infection, I will add:

    – Azithromycin 500mg day one, then 250mg for 4 days – +1
    – HCQ 200mg 3x daily – +1
    – Ivermectin 150 mcg/kg x1
    – Increase Vitamin C to 500mg 4x daily – +1
    – Aspirin 1x daily – +1
    all bar the Vitamin C and Aspirin are script items, although some horse wormers contain ivermectin

    I am pleased to know I am not alone.

  32. old bloke

    OldOzzie
    #3541103, posted on August 9, 2020 at 8:42 am

    When one man’s poison is another’s medicine

    Terry McCrann

    The first is the bureaucratic keepers of our public health, the Therapeutic Health Administration (TGA), designating a drug as a poison with the specific, stated reason of preserving supply of that drug-now-poison for those sick people who have been taking it to improve their health for some 65 years.

    Why is this drug in short supply in Australia? It is an inexpensive drug, cost is limited to the cost of manufacture as there are no patents. I don’t know why we aren’t making truck-loads of these pills and prescribing them to those folks in the old-peoples homes.

    Private pharmaceutical companies could be encouraged by the Commonwealth Government to manufacture these pills with grants to assist set-up and distribution costs, the government doesn’t have the capacity to directly produce the drug since the Commonwealth Serum Laboratories were sold off by the Keating government.

  33. John A

    old bloke #3541493, posted on August 9, 2020, at 1:47 pm

    Private pharmaceutical companies could be encouraged by the Commonwealth Government to manufacture these pills with grants to assist set-up and distribution costs,

    Too complicated and bureaucratic. Just place orders for doses to be delivered to hospitals, pharmacies and medical clinics. Then make sure doctors can prescribe it.

    The setup and distribution factors will look after themselves soon enough.

  34. Mooka

    Ivemectin is used in a common sheep drench.

  35. Alex

    flyingduk
    #3541325, posted on August 9, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    That’s fine but how do we get HCQ if the doctors can’t order it?

  36. Eyrie

    The rationale for the restriction is to preserve supply in case there’s a mass of infections.

    The official line is that it was to preserve supplies for those who have it prescribed for Luus, rheumatoid arthritis etc.

    This isn’t a first world country response which is to make/get more into stock.

    Thin excuses for the TDS virtue signalling.

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