The whole world is watching

It is astonishing that Victoria, and Daniel Andrews specifically, is now internationally famous for the approach taken to deal with CV-19: Australian State Goes Full Coronafascist. When this is all finally over Victoria will be remembered as the international low point, not just for its incompetence but for the political viciousness that was applied. While Sweden may be remembered for its light-handed approach, Victoria will be remembered for its totalitarian methods, not to mention its failures at every turn. The writer of the article is English and his article is featured on a major American website. It was also sent to me by a Canadian friend so the word is getting out. This is how the article opens which goes downhill from there.

From this, we come to his comment:

No, this is not a scene from a prequel to Mad Max where Australia gets taken over by fascists. This is actually happening right now in the Australian state of Victoria, under the regime of power-crazed, hard left premier Daniel Andrews. (Or ‘Kim Jong Dan’, as he is known locally.

Victoria has adopted some of the strictest coronavirus rules anywhere in the world, including an 8 p.m. curfew and police roadblocks to discourage any citizens with pesky notions about personal freedom.

Police are even allowed into your home to carry out spot checks — without a warrant and without your permission.

I’ll end with this, but do go to the link to see it all:

Here — courtesy of Lockdown Sceptics — are the new rules imposed on Victoria’s state capitol of Melbourne, to be enforced for at least the next six weeks:

  • The “state of emergency” in Victoria has been upgraded to a “state of disaster”, meaning police can now enter your home to carry out spot checks even if you don’t give them permission and they don’t have a warrant.
  • Between the hours of 8 p.m. and 5 a.m., you’re not allowed to leave your homes except for work, medical care and caregiving.
  • Outside those hours, you may only leave your home for four reasons: shopping for food and essential items, care and caregiving, daily exercise and work. “We can no longer have people simply out and about for no good reason whatsoever,” said Kim Jong Dan.
  • Daily exercise can only take place within a 5km radius of your home and cannot last longer than an hour.
  • You cannot exercise in groups of more than two, even if they’re members of the same household.
  • Apart from daily exercise, you are only allowed to leave your home once a day for essential supplies and food.
  • In the whole of Victoria, you cannot buy more than two of certain essential items, including dairy, meat, vegetables, fish and toilet paper.
  • Schools have closed again, with all Victoria school students returning to remote learning from Wednesday (except for vulnerable children and children of permitted workers). Childcare and kindergarten will be closed from Thursday.
  • Golf and tennis venues, which were open, have now been closed.
  • Weddings will no longer be allowed from Thursday, and funerals will be limited to 10 people.
  • Face nappies anywhere outside your home have been mandatory for people in metropolitan Melbourne since July 22nd, but that rule has now been extended to the entire state of Victoria.
  • You cannot have visitors or go to another person’s house unless it is for the purpose of giving or receiving care. However, you can leave your house to visit a person if you are in an “intimate personal relationship” with them, even during curfew hours. So no “bonk ban”.
  • If you have a holiday home or were planning a holiday outside Melbourne, tough cheese. You must remain in the city for the next six weeks.
  • The maximum fine for breaching a health order currently stands at $1,652, but Kim Jong Dan said he would have more to say about penalties later today, i.e. he’s going to increase them.

We’re just used to it because we live in the middle of it all. The saddest part is that others can recognise Victoria and Dan Andrews for what they are, but we for the most part cannot.

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97 Responses to The whole world is watching

  1. The sign language interpreter in the background communicates better than Jenny Mikakos.

  2. Roger

    Peter Hitchens had a section on Victoria’s draconian response to covid in his last column.

    He even mentioned your blackshirted Police Commissioner, who I therefore presume has been featured on UK TV news.

  3. rickw

    Word on the street today is that the local gestapo have been booking the local homeless for breaking curfew…

    They get a $1650 blister that gets deducted from their Centrelink payments at $50 a week.

  4. min

    Andrews and co are the result of Peter’s Principle, promoted beyond the level of competence and to continue as a result ended up with Murphy’s Law and even the law after that one which was Murphy was an optimist .

  5. Penny

    Any lawyers out there know the legalities of locking down healthy people and enforcing healthy people to wear masks under the Bio Security Act of 2015 section 477 and sections 60 and 61

  6. Terry

    Before the Free People of Victoriastan return their much-loved and lauded Fascist Overlords to power at the next election (quite possibly their last election), anyone that doesn’t subscribe to the theory of benevolent, big-government totally controlling your life is going to have to choose on which side of the “Berlin Wall” (Murray River) they want to live on.

    Welcome to COVID-1984. The “new normal”.

  7. Iampeter

    I’ll end with this, but do go to the link to see it all:

    Right, but as a nationalist and a Trump supporter, what exactly is your issue with any of this?
    Why is Dan a Dictator, but Trump, who has literally brought back tariffs, as just one example, a capitalist hero to you or anyone?

  8. Has anyone noticed that suddenly there is more law enforcement around to monitor covid-terrorists than there has ever been for any other actual criminal activity? And with the Army in force backing up the police, are we now in fact under martial law?

  9. Megan

    Anyone else see the vomit inducing front page of today’s Hun? Using a young survivor of the NZ volcano disaster to remind the rest of the imprisoned how very lucky we are. It’s disgusting.

    But, we are all in this together.

  10. Lee

    Using a young survivor of the NZ volcano disaster to remind the rest of the imprisoned how very lucky we are. It’s disgusting.

    I haven’t seen it, but conflating the two seems a massive stretch to me.
    Is it case of another outsider telling Victorians to like it or lump it?

  11. mh

    Is that uniform from Hugo Boss?

  12. bollux

    From TheInvestor. A conclusion on the year to date in the USA:

    IN FACT the average growth in yearly death counts is 1.15% so to extrapolate from 2018’s figures, when the 2019 data gets published, the January-July figures should be around 1,699,089 and based on the growth rate, 2020’s figure should have looked to be around 1,718,706.

    The numbers for 2020 are way off if we’re supposed to be in the middle of this deadly plague. We should have hit 1,863,409 by now if the 144,703 people Covid killed were “excess deaths” but we’re in a deficit of about 256,728.

    Something’s wrong.

  13. Hay Stockard

    Victoians voted for this. Victorians are putting up with it. Not much anyone else can do about it. Enjoy your brave new world, Victorians.

  14. nb

    Penny,#3542539 asks:
    Any lawyers out there know the legalities of locking down healthy people and enforcing healthy people to wear masks under the Bio Security Act of 2015 section 477 and sections 60 and 61
    Indeed. Particularly when the same people doing the lockdown have banned hydroxychloroquine. Civil case? Criminal case? Both?

  15. Rex Anger

    Right, but as a nationalist and a Trump supporter, what exactly is your issue with any of this?
    Why is Dan a Dictator, but Trump, who has literally brought back tariffs, as just one example, a capitalist hero to you or anyone?

    Petey, we’ve all been through this with you before. Repeatedly.

    Just because you do not like the Evilbad Orange Man does not make him a leftist. Not in the non-Petey Non-Clownworld the rest of us Cats inhabit. And not in Normie-land either.

    Tariffs are not fundamentally evil because Mistress Rand said so. Nor because your wumao masters paid you in bottlecaps and Mao stamps to repeat the line every 24 hours.

    And Dan Andrews imposing increasingly over the top restrictions on life and liberty in the name of stopping a virus, in the face of multiple ideological missteps, practical fuckups and victim-blaming, is making him look progressively (chortle) worse by the hour.

    You, of all people, as a self-proclaimed individualist, should be as unimpressed as we are about the abuses of peoples’ liberties and the attendant grief, mental health and physical injuries and financial losses being imposed cos bad policy is being doubled down on.

    Since you consistently only want to scream at us about how Evilbad and Orange the Evilbad Orangean is, I can only assume, IamAnEmptyVessel, that your commitment to your leftwit Trump Derangement is outgrowing your commitment to mobying this blog into dissension and uproar.

    Please surrender your IamARandistLibertarian,Really,Honest… badge to the Security Guard at the front desk on your way out.

  16. stackja

    Legalise Sedition
    #3542495, posted on August 10, 2020 at 11:11 am
    Who was Peter Lalor?

    Lalor, Joseph Peter (Joe) (1884–1915)
    from Argus (Melbourne)

    Captain Lalor, who has been killed, was a son of the late Dr. Lalor, and a grandson of Mr. Peter Lalor, of Eureka Stockade fame. He had an extremely varied experience of life, having served in the Royal Navy in the Foreign Legion of France, after which he fought through a South American revolution. Wherever trouble and fighting were to be found Captain Lalor was to be found until he came to Australia and gained an appointment in the administrative and instructional staff, rising to the rank of captain before the war broke out. He went to the front as a company commander in the 12th Infantry Battalion. Captain Lalor recently married a niece of Dr. B. Loughrey, a well-known physician in Lower Hawthorn. His wife is now in England with her only child.

    Life Summary [details]
    Birth 5 September 1884 Victoria, Australia
    Death 25 April 1915 Gallipoli, Turkey
    Cause of Death killed in action
    Religious Influence Catholic
    Education Xavier College (Melbourne)
    Occupation army officer
    Military Service
    World War I
    12th Battalion
    Dardanelles campaign, 1915-16
    Landing at Anzac Cove, 1915

  17. Lee

    Victoians voted for this. Victorians are putting up with it. Not much anyone else can do about it. Enjoy your brave new world, Victorians

    As I keep repeating myself here, this Victorian never voted for Dictator Dan, nor approves of his politics or policies

  18. Beachcomber

    bollux
    #3542567, posted on August 10, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    Something’s wrong.

    Indeed. The entire vicious charade of Covid-1984 is wrong. There is no epidemic, no pandemic, no plague. The world has been sucked into a mass delusion by scaremongering and hysteria from the ruling establishment and their Ministry of Truth media.

  19. incoherent rambler

    funerals will be limited to 10 people

    I presume they mean “mourners” not the dead.

  20. I think it’s simply a rehearsal for things to come.

  21. Lee

    You, of all people, as a self-proclaimed individualist, should be as unimpressed as we are about the abuses of peoples’ liberties and the attendant grief, mental health and physical injuries and financial losses being imposed cos bad policy is being doubled down on.

    Rex, as he has never once attacked or criticised Andrews for his decisions during the virus outbreak (he saves his attacks only for those critical of Andrews), ergo he supports Andrews. He can’t have it both ways.
    But according to him, we mere mortals “don’t understand the politics” (including seasoned bloggers here), so we should just shut up as we are not entitled to an opinion.
    If dictionaries were illustrated, Petey’s photo would be next to the word “hubris.”

  22. Old School Conservative

    Before the Free People of Victoriastan return their much-loved and lauded Fascist Overlords to power at the next election

    Optimist.
    There may not be a “next election”.

  23. Rex Anger

    @Lee-

    +1

    However, I personally think Hubris is better illustrated by Dan Xi Man.

    However, I think Cretin currently has nothing assigned…

  24. Colonel Crispin Berka

    police can now enter your home to carry out spot checks even if you don’t give them permission and they don’t have a warrant.

    It’s just the vibe of the thing, your honour.

    Weddings will no longer be allowed from Thursday, and funerals will be limited to 10 people.

    No size limit on weddings, they’re just not permitted at all, but gatherings of 10 can happen around a casket? Is this really happening in Victoria or is it some sort of weird unfunny conservative joke?

    * Between the hours of 8 p.m. and 5 a.m., you’re not allowed to leave your homes except for work, medical care and caregiving. * Daily exercise can only take place within a 5km radius of your home and cannot last longer than an hour.

    Obviously each coronavirus has a GPS-equipped Fitbit, which is how it knows to only infect people who are more than 5km from their home, and only infect people who are dawdling instead of exercising, and to only infect people after 8pm at night. This particular COVID lore ranks right up there with Xenu and the inner-Thetans.

    Face nappies anywhere outside your home have been mandatory

    If masks work so well then why is there any need for a general lockdown? It’s just contradictory. One can’t help but wonder if balancing the economy and public health, or even single-minded public health at all costs, are not really the true aim of these orders.

    Two potential models for explaining these draconian inhibitions.

    • Model 1, “Darth Dan”. Dan is a kind, caring, wise man who only wants the best for his dear valued loyal Victorians, and in his embarrassment about Victoria becoming relatively worse than the other states he has reluctantly accepted emergency powers and boldly ordered strong action to halt this epidemic rapidly and restore freedom to the galaxy.
    Hypothesis: That Victorian pigs will Force-fly.

    • Model 2, “Kim Jong Dan”. In much the same way that the invasion of Libya by NATO was done as a resumé-filler for Hilary Clinton to prove she was tough enough to be commander-in-chief, so the Victorian lockdown is a resumé-filler for Dan who is hoping to get a similarly dictatorial job in an oppressive regime elsewhere in the world.
    Hypothesis: Dan will increase fines, announce new restrictions, and maybe even outlaw laughing outside the home except in a licensed comedy business.

    I’m surprised people are still permitted to die, Dan’s missed a trick by not banning death itself.

  25. Kneel

    “Tariffs are not fundamentally evil because Mistress Rand said so.”

    And nor are they Trump’s preferred modus operandi.
    It’s called “reciprocity” – you put tariffs on our stuff, we put ’em on yours. Take yours off, we’ll take ours off.
    Fairly simple and simply fair, IMO.
    EG, why do we (even “should we”) put up with NO tariffs on Chinese imports of their major export to us, yet China has massive tariffs on our major exports to them? “Special” things like national security reasons can be negotiated, but otherwise why shouldn’t they be symmetric?

  26. I’m surprised people are still permitted to die, Dan’s missed a trick by not banning death itself.

    He’s probably working on a suitable fine for those who die. A novel form of death tax.

  27. John A

    min #3542509, posted on August 10, 2020, at 11:23 am

    Andrews and co are the result of Peter’s Principle, promoted beyond the level of competence and to continue as a result ended up with Murphy’s Law and even the law after that one which was Murphy was an optimist.

    That’s the Peter Principle, first propounded by Dr Laurence J Peter in 1969.

    O’Toole’s Corollary to Murphy’s Law: Murphy was an optimist.

  28. Kneel

    “If masks work so well then why is there any need for a general lockdown?”

    They don’t work against a virus – even surgical grade ones.
    Bacteria are microns in size.
    Virus is 200 nm or so.
    Many medical studies show the uselessness of masks in preventing the spread of any virus – IIRC, 63 of 65 in a meta-analysis showed no benefit.
    It’s probably more effective to drink straight spirits regularly.
    Are you going to sneeze into that thing? If you take it off to sneeze or cough, so you don’t have your face sitting in phlegm for hours, why bother with it? And most people fiddle with them – they touch their face MORE when wearing a mask, not less.

    Face nappies are to make you show your obedience to Mien Fuhrer’s dictats – nothing more, nothing less.

  29. H B Bear

    As I keep repeating myself here, this Victorian never voted for Dictator Dan, nor approves of his politics or policies

    That is not how it works. Chairman Dan was returned with a swing towards the Liars.

  30. H B Bear

    Even after the Red Shirts affair and the subsequent “investigation”.

  31. John A

    Naturally, the curfew restricts shopping to the fewer available hours. So the shops are theoretically more crowded. Thus it was necessary to limit the number of shoppers, not merely by means of the 4sqm and 1.5m rules but via an absolute quota (one person, once per day).

    Rhetorical question: So what does one person do with a large shopping task, since one cannot have a helper with one?

    Next question: Is there any evidence that supermarkets are a virulent source of cross-infection?
    The Premier’s answer: “We don’t know exactly where the transmissions are occurring.”
    The Premier’s next answer: “We believe the transmissions are occurring at home.”
    The Masks rule: “Masks are not required in your own home.”

    Is there no-one who will rid us of this meddlesome prat?

  32. Terry Pedersen

    Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

    You, and others here will not like it, but Daniel Andrews will be well remembered for his resolute leadership of Victoria during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    The people who misbehaved in quarantine or flouted the self-isolation and other rules will rightly wear the opprobrium and perhaps prosecution that they deserve.

  33. rickw

    You, and others here will not like it, but Daniel Andrews will be well remembered for his resolute leadership of Victoria during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Nope.

    The next outbreak, which there will be, will underline that Captain Fuckwits approach was completely unsustainable. Victoria won’t survive another lockdown, and I doubt he would either.

    Please follow Dan’s rules and keep your mug locked in your house. No one wants to see this level of stupidity on public display.

  34. The Manager

    The people who misbehaved in quarantine or flouted the self-isolation and other rules will rightly wear the opprobrium and perhaps prosecution that they deserve.
    The security incompetents appointed by Andrews Terry?

  35. sfw

    Talking to a vicpol member re the breaking of windows, he tells me that the drivers refused to produce their licence, in which case forcing entry is something that could be done at any traffic stop (right or wrong). If you are driving you must produce your licence, other than that you do not have to do or say anything, your passengers do not have to say or do anything, the right to silence remains even under the current wuflu regs. So the onus is on the member to gather enough evidence to reasonable suspect you were committing an offence and then he can arrest you or demand your identification. I said on another thread, I’m happy to be the victim of a false arrest, $3000 an hour compo would make it worthwhile.

  36. Mater

    You, and others here will not like it, but Daniel Andrews will be well remembered for his resolute leadership of Victoria during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Wrong. He’ll be remembered as the Premier who put Victoria into a holding pattern at 30,000 feet, and held it there until it ran out of fuel and fell spectacularly to earth.

    Like the 9/11 hijackers, he has enough initiative to keep them temporarily in the air, but absolutely no idea (or plan) of how to land. I think the results of the two situations are going to be remarkably similar.

  37. Iampeter

    It’s called “reciprocity” – you put tariffs on our stuff, we put ’em on yours. Take yours off, we’ll take ours off.
    Fairly simple and simply fair, IMO.
    EG, why do we (even “should we”) put up with NO tariffs on Chinese imports of their major export to us, yet China has massive tariffs on our major exports to them? “Special” things like national security reasons can be negotiated, but otherwise why shouldn’t they be symmetric?

    It wouldn’t be a Cat thread without economically illiterate defense of leftist policies like tariffs.
    But I’m the leftist troll. Sure.

  38. Rex Anger

    It wouldn’t be a Cat thread without economically illiterate defense of leftist policies like tariffs.

    Incorrect, Petey. Don’t you go projecting your Rand-induced economic illiteracy on us. It’s evem more blatantly obvious than your political projections.

    But I’m the leftist troll. Sure.

    Yep. And it’s no sin to admit it. Embrace it like Numbers does, and be respected for respecting yourself.

    You’ll find everything is far more rational once you’re being true and honest to yourself Petey…

  39. Lee

    Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

    You, and others here will not like it, but Daniel Andrews will be well remembered for his resolute leadership of Victoria during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    This is sarcasm, right?
    If wasn’t for Dictator Dan, Victoria wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place, unlike every other state and territory in Australia without exception.
    The man is a first-class drop kick and playing politics with peoples’ lives.

  40. Sometimes I have this weird thought that Chairman Dan is being deliberately undermined, for how could anyone be so incredibly inept as he has been?

  41. Docket62

    So the onus is on the member to gather enough evidence to reasonable suspect you were committing an offence and then he can arrest you or demand your identification.

    There are only a very few traffic offenses that allow a power of arrest. Identification os one of them, so for gods sake provide it because otherwise you have handed that authority to the member. Most will not use it.. unless you’re a complete fuckwit Like that sheila who ran checkpoint charlie.

    They aren’t going to arrest you for being out after dark, they’ll just give you a fine. Under the Orders, there is no power of arrest. BUT there is a power of arrest under a state of disaster. Pretty much anything goes..

    As Ive said all along, Carry ID, ensure you have an appropriate reason, and go about your business.

  42. Docket62

    You, and others here will not like it, but Daniel Andrews will be well remembered for his resolute leadership of Victoria during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    He will be remembered as a bumbling fool who mismanaged everything. If he hadn’t buggered up Hotel Quarantine so badly, he’d probably be elected Pope about now… the people who voted for him are so badly deluded – all you have to do is read his FB page (Vomit warning!).. its sickening.

    His State of Disaster incidentally only runs for 30 days and then has to be renewed. There are limits to the number of times he can do this with out the 50% of the population that didn’t vote for him simply refusing to obey his directives. I’d like to see the police fine 250,000 people a day, day after day – and for every single fine to be challenged.

    I mean, surely there’s a legal firm with the balls to co ordinate this at a small Cost PP. They’d make a fortune!

    The courts would clog up over night. Statute of limitations would expire on fines and anything that made it to court would be fought tooth and nail.

  43. mem

    Dan just keeps going though.
    1. $60 million of our money just allocated for mental health services presumably to counsel us into converting our anger at what he and his colleagues have done to Victoria and our livelihoods, into appreciation to the Great Fuhrer Dan
    2. A statewide television advertising campaign just announced (worth undisclosed zillions) to scare the wits out of everyone (like the AIDS campaign was meant to as well as deflect from the primary group) and pretend this is a virus that attacks everyone and not primarily the aged. Presumably this is aimed at taking the heat off Dan for his mismanagement of quarantine and for allowing many of the same people or their close mates to take the virus into nursing homes via their roving shift work and lax hygiene protocols.
    3.No doubt there will be further “damage control” to come. I’m waiting for helicopters overhead with sirens and loud speakers blaring out “We are All in this together”.

  44. Roberto

    Even the uniforms are Nazi-inspired

  45. mem

    PS Did anyone else pick up that one of the Mikakos’ tweets is actually the CIA’s motto ” The truth will set you free”. Good one Minister.

  46. rickw

    PS Did anyone else pick up that one of the Mikakos’ tweets is actually the CIA’s motto ” The truth will set you free”. Good one Minister.

    I was surprised that it wasn’t “Work Sets You Free”.

  47. rickw

    Didn’t realise this, he’s probably as bent as hell, didn’t St Kilda CIB used to have a pile of cash, drugs and guns secreted in the suspended ceiling for use in framing people?!

    Part of his early career was spent at St Kilda Criminal Investigation Branch (CIB) in the 1980s.[1] Other roles have been in general duties, detective work, police prosecutor, ethical standards investigation, transit and education.

  48. mem

    r

    ickw
    #3542732, posted on August 10, 2020 at 3:05 pm
    PS Did anyone else pick up that one of the Mikakos’ tweets is actually the CIA’s motto ” The truth will set you free”. Good one Minister.

    I was surprised that it wasn’t “Work Sets You Free”.

    “Work sets you free.” Isn’t that the slogan known for appearing on the entrance of Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps? We haven’t reached that stage yet but the Daniel Andrew’s government is well on its way there.

  49. Tim Neilson

    didn’t St Kilda CIB used to have a pile of cash, drugs and guns secreted in the suspended ceiling for use in framing people?

    That’s what I’d heard. Except that in relation to the guns there was reference to how some suspected cop killers were found dead from shots from firearms that were never traced, IYKWIMAITYD.

  50. Roger

    Word on the street today is that the local gestapo have been booking the local homeless for breaking curfew…

    They get a $1650 blister that gets deducted from their Centrelink payments at $50 a week.

    Disgraceful.

  51. mem

    Australian Triple Therapy for COVID-19: ‘Wonder Drug’ Ivermectin in a Triple Therapy Should be Used for COVID-19 Cure and Prevention in Victoria says Professor who Developed Peptic Ulcer Cure,

    Professor Borody said:
    “If nothing else, make it available in aged care homes immediately. Our elderly are at the highest risk and this is a very safe option especially when we have nothing else except ventilators.”

    “Also, our frontline workers deserve more protection with a preventative medication like this, and as emergency treatment if they test positive.”

    “An Ivermectin tablet can cost as little as $2 – which could make it by far the cheapest, safest, and fastest cure for Australians and the Australian economy.”
    https://www.medianet.com.au/releases/189953/

  52. Pickles

    This is a primer for the much sought after “Climate Emergency” then the “Climate Disaster”. Destruction of “non essential” industries without compensation (already been happening for 20 years) and restrictions on travel and behaviours to “save the planet”.

  53. Paul

    It strikes me that most politicians all over the world, are just another herd, not much different to our sheeple herd, heading for the centre to protect themselves.
    Herding is our most selfish instinct.
    If what I am reading about hydroxychloriquine is true, there will be retribution, and it should be worldwide and cataclysmic. The herd is stuck with having rejected it, and with no OUT, they will fight to the death to defend it.
    If this medicine is indeed harmless when used as a preventative, and could have saved lives, the political herd will scatter, and once they scatter they all become prey.
    Hydroxychloriquine use in USA was restricted on 22nd March, and Australia, 2 days later, in both cases, ostensibly to stop off-label use, and potential shortages for existing users.
    How did that happen in two countries in two days, out of nowhere? What about other countries?
    How did Remdesivir become a viable alternative when it barely even had a name?

    Two months later, Trump announced that his doctor had prescribed it for him.
    One would pray his doctor had huge underlying support and evidence to prescribe this for a president.
    Trump recommended it.
    But American politicians deplored it, and worldwide the political herd followed.
    The medical experts then followed with tortured explanations to justify it.
    This all defies common sense. They are all accountable.

    Here in Victoria, the Disaster Master prefers death for the elderly, rather than taking a single sweep with his mighty sword, to give them even a small chance of survival.
    .
    If the public finds that the cowardice of his herd caused so many deaths, public hangings may find themselves being reinstated. The American politicians in particular must prove themselves.
    Governments should fall like dominoes if this is true.

  54. Professor Fred Lenin

    Pickles you are right no one mentions the postponement of the Urgent Climate Holocaust Crisis Conference in Glasgow this year ,due to the Real Threat of the Chinese Biowar Virus Crisis . This deprived 30,000 climate science experts of a taxpayer funded Piss Up in luxury hotels . It seems they had a yarn with Gaia who promised to hold back on the end of days programme untill 2021 very good of him/her / it / whatever one of the 547 genders Gaia is . So Pickles look out next year ,climate will be back with a big bang ,looting taxpayers money .
    Wonder if the billionaire carpetbaggers and their scummy elite enablers will do a Davos Piss Up this year ?
    Suppose they have to work out new ways of looting taxpayer funds ,a billion dollars is not nearly enough is it ??

  55. mh
    #3542563, posted on August 10, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    Is that uniform from Hugo Boss?

    Sharp. GG.

  56. Terry Pedersen
    #3542639, posted on August 10, 2020 at 1:10 pm

    Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

    You, and others here will not like it, but Daniel Andrews will be well remembered for his resolute leadership of Victoria during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    The people who misbehaved in quarantine or flouted the self-isolation and other rules will rightly wear the opprobrium and perhaps prosecution that they deserve.

    This idiot has got to be taking the piss.

  57. Don’t you go projecting your Rand-induced economic illiteracy on us.

    Err…

    No.

    This is the one thing Petey consistently gets correct.

    Trump’s tariffs are however so small that it really is a non-issue. Trump also offered zero tariffs for the G8 and no one else took the deal.

    What natters with Trump is his highly, highly beneficial income tax cuts and his so far inability to pay down or control government debt.

  58. Rex Anger

    @ LS-

    Do you remember the last time you posted that you agreed with Petey on something? I recall he was so obnoxious about it, you regretted being principled.

    Perhaps tariffs are, ideologically speaking, distasteful and damaging to the involved parties, and should be avoided as far as is practical.

    But I am a pragmatist and understand that the vagaries of human nature and events as they present thselves, tend to make a mockery of sticking to ideology.

    What natters with Trump is his highly, highly beneficial income tax cuts and his so far inability to pay down or control government debt.

    This is a far bigger issue than the man himself (though he will take all the stick for it. Yay being the Leader of the Free World… 😕).

    As is the policy apparatus he is trying to exert at least some influence over…

  59. incoherent rambler

    From TPL’s link

    Media is EXTREMELY biased, calls protesters “right wing conspiracy nutjobs” and won’t allow discussion of whether these lockdowns are right or not.

  60. Perhaps tariffs are, ideologically speaking, distasteful and damaging to the involved parties, and should be avoided as far as is practical.

    They are theoretically and empirically a bad idea.

    Do you remember the last time you posted that you agreed with Petey on something? I recall he was so obnoxious about it, you regretted being principled.

    No, he actually possessed me to a degree I start automatic writing like him and JC thought I went nuts!

    I will never regret having principles and sticking to them.

  61. Judge Dredd

    Police are even allowed into your home to carry out spot checks — without a warrant and without your permission.

    Australians should never have given up their guns. It’s much harder to be a totalitarian bully when the purple are armed.

  62. Rex Anger

    No, he actually possessed me to a degree I start automatic writing like him and JC thought I went nuts!

    I do recall that post, but I think it was on a vastly different subject. Funny as hell, though. 🙂

    There was something about human rights, you had grudgingly said you agreed.with Petey about, and he immediately took that and tried to beat you about the head with it. Much to the disgust of yourself and a number of other respondents. But that was some moons and road miles back.

    I will never regret having principles and sticking to them.

    No fundamental disagreement with that. But always be aware they can betray you if you are not wise in your application of them. It’s never fun when another party ruthlessly and continuously exploits them.

    Biblical principle- Be shrewd as a snake, and as innocent as a dove (Matt. 10:16)…

  63. H B Bear

    This idiot has got to be taking the piss.

    I would have said it is another Gargooglery sock, although even he is more subtle. How I miss Hammy.

  64. Rockdoctor

    Been out of circulation due to work however this just reached me through a mate. Scomo supporting the states to the hilt when he should have straddled the fence especially with the questionable constitutional standings.

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-australia-border-restrictions-could-stay-in-place-until-christmas/news-story/664e8caefba323e3903c6e06a8a0c1a4

    Just for a laugh, try googing fascist victoria or dan andrews fascist despite the info of the likes out there. Not a zac, big tech also running party line…

  65. Rex Anger

    It’s never fun when another party ruthlessly and continuously exploits them.

    Be they tariffs, trade rules, understanding of philosophy or social etiquette, or even the rules of a game.

  66. Eyrie

    Who was Peter Lalor?

    THIS should be appearing as grafitti all over Melbourne.

  67. Kneel

    “…without economically illiterate defense of leftist policies like tariffs.”

    I didn’t do that – read harder.

    My simple point – obviously not simple enough for you – was that if the other side won’t play fair, you need to stand up to them and give as good as you get. Like all bullies, you don’t have to win a fight against them, but you do need to stand up for yourself and let them know that you will fight back using the same tactics, if required.

    Why don’t you have a good look at where and against whom Trump has used tariffs – against those who have tilted the field to their own advantage, driving jobs out of the US, not because they beat them fair and square, but because the other side rigged the game. In every case, a renegotiation of arrangements has been agreed to that are “mirrored”, one side to the other. IOW, tending towards free trade, not protection for its own sake – just protection against exploitation, corruption and other unfair practices by other governments.

    Of course, you may prefer to go down the gurgler by allowing others to exploit you, but for me, I’d prefer that those who try to play unfairly to gain advantage be shown the error of their ways – the sooner and harder, the better.

  68. Boambee John

    mem
    #3542729, posted on August 10, 2020 at 3:02 pm
    PS Did anyone else pick up that one of the Mikakos’ tweets is actually the CIA’s motto ” The truth will set you free”. Good one Minister.

    That is actually a biblical quote (John 8:32). However, it is engraved on the wall in the foyer of CIA HQ, presumably as an incentive to accurate analysis.

  69. Squirrel

    One country, two systems – the rest of us certainly hope so.

  70. Iain Russell

    And you have to drive on the left….

  71. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Thanks to Victoriastan for their contribution to the nation
    https://infogram.com/deaths-cumulative-view-of-deaths-from-covid-19-in-australia-1hd12y0dl1oq6km

    The only gardening going on in the Garden State is pushing up daisies, lol.

  72. rickw

    mh
    #3542563, posted on August 10, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    Is that uniform from Hugo Boss?

    That would be a killer question for our press if they weren’t Mong’s:

    “Sir, your uniform is very slick and black, was it designed by Hugo Boss?”

  73. rickw

    “Work sets you free.” Isn’t that the slogan known for appearing on the entrance of Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps?

    It is. I’m just waiting for one of our Government morons to trip over it now they’re in Full Retard.

  74. Ozman

    Tell everybody who has lost a loved one that hydroxychloroquine with zinc and azithromycin would have saved them. Then they should sue Daniel Andrews for having intentionally created circumstances that lead to actions that have resulted in deaths by banning hydroxychloroquine with zinc and azithromycin, which would have saved their lives. Daniel Andrews has done this to purposefully crash the Victorian economy so that he can borrow money from China and further his socialist/CCP agenda.

    Democrat NYC Councilman Paul Vallone Credits Hydroxychloroquine with Saving His Life

    Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

  75. GD

    Colonel Crispin Berka
    #3542601, posted on August 10, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    Hypothesis: Dan will … outlaw laughing outside the home except in a licensed comedy business.

    Licensed comedy venues are exempt because Victorian ‘comedians’ aren’t funny and no-one laughs; they sneer and snigger instead.

  76. Iampeter

    Trump’s tariffs are however so small that it really is a non-issue.

    Except they’ve caused so much economic damage that they’ve required bigger bailouts than the banks in 2008. Not bad for a “non-issue.”
    But that’s not the point anyway. If you don’t oppose tariffs as a matter of principle then you are on the left wing side of politics. This shouldn’t need explaining.

  77. Iampeter

    Don’t you go projecting your Rand-induced economic illiteracy on us. It’s evem more blatantly obvious than your political projections.

    Exactly. You’re a supporter of socialism who needs the fact that this makes you left wing explained to them.
    You’re a complete nut even by Cat standards.

  78. yarpos

    “Victoians voted for this. Victorians are putting up with it. Not much anyone else can do about it. Enjoy your brave new world, Victorians”

    This numb nuts idea of how democracy works gets trotted out regularly. Its like you never see leadership abberations in any other State , and you can governments like flicking a light switch. Just feeds the juvenille State parochial mindset that seems to prevail in Oz.

  79. flyingduk

    Australians should never have given up their guns. It’s much harder to be a totalitarian bully when the purple are armed.

    Not all of us did 😉 … remember, a well armed minority is *not* a minority…

  80. Rex Anger

    Except they’ve caused so much economic damage that they’ve required bigger bailouts than the banks in 2008. Not bad for a “non-issue.”

    Proof please, IamCapableOfBelievingEverythingThatAgreesWithMyNarrativeAboutTheEvilbadOrangeMan,NoMatterHowAbsurd

    But that’s not the point anyway. If you don’t oppose tariffs as a matter of principle then you are on the left wing side of politics. This shouldn’t need explaining.

    IamAnExpertInStatecraft clearly thinks Beijing’s ongoing use of tariffs as economic coercion is perfectly acceptable. After all, he only screams when we Cats or the Evilbad Orange Man consider it or dare to talk about it in pragmatic or (heaven forfend!) favourable terms.

    Why is this? Is it because they are Communist and deserve to win against the decadent and corrupt West, IamAndHaveAlwaysBeenACommunistShill? Or is it because they are yellow, and this is merely what is expected of them, IamInLoveWithUsingTheSoftBigotryOfLowExpectationsAgainstPeopleWhoAreNotLikeMe?

    Exactly. You’re a supporter of socialism who needs the fact that this makes you left wing explained to them.

    Still Petey projecting, I see. Nothing new here. Yawn, move on, try harder IamIntellectuallyIncapableOfUsingAnyOtherInsult.

    You’re a complete nut even by Cat standards.
    Out of your mouth Petey, that has as much value as a Zimbabwean trillion-dollar note, amd hits with as much force as a dead kitten. But since it is the thought that counts, thank you Comrade…

  81. Iampeter

    IamAnExpertInStatecraft clearly thinks Beijing’s ongoing use of tariffs as economic coercion is perfectly acceptable.

    You don’t know what tariffs are.

  82. Rex Anger

    You don’t know what tariffs are.

    Do you?

    Or how they are used in a benign or malicious way?

    Rhetoric harder, Petey.

  83. Kneel

    Iampeter
    #3543627, posted on August 11, 2020 at 10:35 am

    IamAnExpertInStatecraft clearly thinks Beijing’s ongoing use of tariffs as economic coercion is perfectly acceptable.

    You don’t know what tariffs are.

    Perhaps he doesn’t – but that is irrelevant to whether or not you feel China’s use of them is acceptable.
    Nor does it suggest what method you would use to encourage them to remove such tariffs.
    Nor why others should drop theirs against China while China continues to apply them to said others.
    Nor does it matter if China or anyone else is using tariffs, duties, taxes or whatever other name you care to use – the effect is the same: asymmetric trade distortions.

    I also notice you haven’t bothered to show us all where Trump put tariffs/duties/whatever on a country that wasn’t already doing the same to the US, or where a deal the Trump negotiated with any country involved adding such on the US end. Perhaps you missed that bit. I don’t believe you can find such, but happy for you to show me otherwise.

  84. Rex Anger

    Nor where there is any documented proof that The Evilbad Orange Man’s tariffs in reply to China’s have bankrupted the US so badly, the entire system needed a 2008-style bailout, but bigger!

    Pony up Petey. Or are you just.lying and hyperbolising again?

  85. Iampeter

    Perhaps he doesn’t – but that is irrelevant to whether or not you feel China’s use of them is acceptable.

    This sentence means you don’t know what tariffs are or how they work.

    Not knowing what you’re talking about is pretty relevant to what you’re talking about.

  86. Rex Anger

    This sentence means you don’t know what tariffs are or how they work.

    Petey, an import tax is a tax. Oh sigh! Oh calamity! Oh Libertarian Grief!

    If you don’t like taxes Petey, fight your way to the top, rescind the lot and don’t levy any more! Of course, you may find that your power base very quickly disppears when you cannot pay your minions any more…

    Not knowing what you’re talking about is pretty relevant to what you’re talking about.

    This Petey Projection is brought to you by IamBeijing’sMouthpiece- Tariffs are OK for me but not for thee!

  87. Rex Anger

    More importantly IamProneToExaggerationIfItServesMyPurposes, where is your documented proof that The Evilbad Orange Man’s tariffs in reply to China’s have bankrupted the US so badly, the entire system needed a 2008-style bailout, but bigger?

    Come on, prove to us how Evilbad the Evilbad Orange Man’s tariffs are…

  88. Kneel

    Not knowing what you’re talking about is pretty relevant to what you’re talking about.

    Well, you are certainly the most experienced poster here in terms of ignorant rambling, I’ll give you that.

    Perhaps you would care to engage some of the questions I posed – then again, that may require you to face messy reality instead of perfect theory, so presumably you will, as usual, simply evade what you find uncomfortable while accusing any who disagree with your pet theories of not knowing what they are talking about – oh wait, you already did that (again).

    Or perhaps you would care to prove that black equals white and I can then run you over at a pedestrian crossing that I can, thanks to your utter brilliance, no longer see.

  89. Rex Anger

    @ Kneel-

    +1 For the Douglas Adams reference…

  90. Iampeter

    Well, you are certainly the most experienced poster here in terms of ignorant rambling, I’ll give you that.

    This is just sad projection as usual. Why even bother? It’s not going to fool anyone.

  91. Iampeter

    Well, you are certainly the most experienced poster here in terms of ignorant rambling, I’ll give you that.

    This is just sad projection.

  92. Rex Anger

    This is just sad projection.

    Yep. We have to deal with yours every time you kickstart your poor computer, IamUnableToHelpMyself,IjustHaveToGetTheLastSnarkIn…

  93. Kneel

    “This is just sad projection as usual. Why even bother? It’s not going to fool anyone.”

    So, you have no response to what should be done with those countries/govs that refuse to remove tariffs?
    Figures.

    Despite your insults to me, I still responded.
    But you are too triggered to get past mine – which were in response to yours.

    You don’t have an answer, that much is clear. Or if you do, you clearly think it puts your previous waffling into a bad light. Whatever.

    The only reason I bother Peter, is to allow your own responses to show your now obvious bad faith argument to any who doubt it.

    @Rex: Yes, perhaps we can use another: “You make perfect sense in exactly the same way that IamPeter doesn’t”. Suitable variations may be appropriate as well.

  94. Rex Anger

    @Rex: Yes, perhaps we can use another: “You make perfect sense in exactly the same way that IamPeter doesn’t”. Suitable variations may be appropriate as well.

    👍

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