Tuesday Forum: August 11, 2020

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  1. notafan

    Impressive Farmer Gez.

    Multitalented.

    Bushmen seemed to be like that, back in the day.

    He might have crossed paths with my great uncles, both killed around Pozieres/Mouquet Farm in July and August 2016.

  2. woolfe

    I thought the VP pick is to be confirmed Thursday?

    Joe thinks today is Thursday

  3. mh

    Kamala has an unusually thick neck.

  4. Struth

    Again, this morning, you keep getting destroyed by people you think are beneath you.
    Frank, you’re not that bright.
    From what I can see, you need to get out more.
    Experience the world at it’s grass routes level.
    Driving a truck interstate would give you an education you are lacking.
    And you’d be an essential person!
    The comedy thing isn’t working for you, so why not give it a whirl.
    Truckies magically don’t catch the corona virus either, so you’d be safe from that.

  5. Maj

    From Ramesh Ponnuru, another pathetic and failed Never Trumper:

    Obama’s Use of Executive Power Outdid Trump’s

    President Barack Obama’s creative use of executive power set a precedent that President Donald Trump is now exploiting. But what kind of precedent will Trump’s actions set? The good news for those of us who think that both presidents overstepped their bounds is that Trump’s executive actions might not be deft enough to have a lasting effect.

    Obama issued quasi-amnesties for large groups of illegal immigrants after repeatedly saying that he had no constitutional power to do it. Congress had failed to act in the way he wanted, he explained, so he had to do it himself.

    Now it’s President Trump’s turn to play legislator-in-chief. After months of calling in vain for Congress to suspend the payroll tax, he decided to defer enforcement of it for most people. He didn’t reach a deal with Congress on unemployment benefits, either, so he is stretching the law to let states tap federal money to provide the benefit levels that he wants. (Trump also took two other, less controversial coronavirus-relief steps at the same time.)

    The power of partisanship has kept this kind of presidential self-aggrandizement from being checked the way the Constitution presumes it will be. Congress doesn’t push back to guard its powers because members of the president’s party — Democrats under Obama, Republicans now — side with the president instead of with their branch of the government.

    But Trump’s unilateral actions are different from Obama’s in a way that will limit their impact. It’s not a difference of constitutional principle: Both men acted in place of the legislature. Obama’s policies were designed, however, to be much harder to reverse.

    An amnesty for many illegal immigrants — and especially for those illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as minors, the first group Obama helped — had broad bipartisan support. Republicans almost all objected to Obama’s doing it himself, without legislation that included other measures such as increased enforcement against new illegal immigration. But a lot of them favored the policy itself.

    Nobody has been trying to legislate the convoluted unemployment-benefit scheme Trump just created, on the other hand, and a lot of Republicans and almost all Democrats opposed the payroll-tax cut.

    Obama’s policies changed the facts on the ground, too. Once the benefit of an effective amnesty was given to millions of people, it was difficult to take away — especially since it, again, had broad support in the first place. Trying to take it away required administrative steps that could be challenged legally, and so far the courts have kept it in place.

    By contrast, it is not clear how widely people will take advantage of Trump’s new programs. Companies may decide to keep collecting payroll taxes because of the uncertainty surrounding the policy and the time limit on it. (It’s supposed to last through the end of the year.)

    States may not tap the new unemployment-benefit money because they can’t do it without putting up some of their own, and they are currently strapped for cash. Even if some of them do, the available funds are limited.

    Obama’s use of executive power reduced the pressure on Congress to legislate on immigration, and it had never felt much urgency to do so to begin with. Members of Congress still have a lot of incentive to reach a Covid-relief deal following Trump’s actions. Any bill will surely include unemployment-relief provisions that supersede, and make moot, Trump’s new policy.

    Obama’s action was seen as a success for his political coalition, which achieved an important policy goal and did not pay much of a political price for it. We don’t know, of course, how Trump’s policy will play out. But it does not further a longstanding goal of Republicans so much as it gives Trump a victory in a news cycle, and it could backfire in several ways. If Americans aren’t happy with economic conditions in the fall, for example, the inadequacy of these policies will get some of the blame.

    When Obama moved on immigration, he did it after years of deliberation by his administration. He and his aides had time to think through how the policy would work and the political reactions it would cause. Trump’s policies give the strong impression of being devised hastily. It would not be surprising if they were not built to last.

    All of these contrasts suggest Trump is a worse political tactician than Obama was. But they also limit the damage his executive actions will do to our constitutional order. Future presidents may be tempted to copy Obama’s approach. They are less likely to emulate the strategy Trump is using right now.

  6. notafan

    🐄🐄🐄👨‍🌾

  7. Farmer Gez

    If only we had leaders like that these days Nota.

  8. will

    Kamala Harris fizzled out before the year 2020 began. She’s divisive and unappealing, and by choosing her, Biden has handed a great deal of ammunition to President Donald Trump.

  9. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #3544975, posted on August 12, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Harris as VP means you can’t chip Biden as a commie. Kamala is a cop, which is fun because Trump/Pence are all crooks.

    She might decide to clean in house first, and take out the Clintons?

    PS, commies have police too. In case you hadn’t noticed, you could look outside your basement for evidence.

    How many games of fantasy football have you played during your confinement?

  10. Struth

    Silly little personal spats plus Numbers, are wearing out my scroll wheel.

    My original comment was addressed to Makka this morning.
    The sneering cowards decided to comment on it as they always do.

    If you look back yesterday it was the same.
    It’s always the same.

    Your scroll wheel will hang in there.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    Experience the world at it’s grass routes level.

    😀😀😀😀

  12. notafan

    Yes.

    Well, well educated thoroughly decent men of faith make a huge difference to society.

  13. notafan

    Miss miss!

    They started it!!!!

  14. Leigh Lowe

    My original comment was addressed to Makka this morning.
    The sneering cowards decided to comment on it as they always do.

    Perhaps you could write Makka a personal letter?
    At the top it says “Open Forum”.
    The hint is in the title.

  15. notafan

    What makes someone an uncoward on the open forum?

    It’s just a place for (mostly) anonymous people.

  16. Struth

    Grass “routes” you really didn’t get it do you.

    routes roots, truck routes roots

    There goes my funny man career as well, it seems.

  17. Leigh Lowe

    Ah, I get it C.W.
    You don’t clear $10k every week.
    Got it.
    Just that, the week of the Big Convoy you landed the best job evah.
    Cruel coincidence.
    What are the odds?

  18. Struth

    Yes.

    Well, well educated thoroughly decent men of faith make a huge difference to society.

    Who are you to judge?

  19. Dr Faustus

    Kamala is a cop…

    Noticed by, and deeply offensive to the far Left.
    Her knots, dealing with the ‘defund the police’ questions, will be a particular interest.

  20. Infidel Tiger King

    Thank God that Obama chose Harris early last year as VP.

    Now I have lots of walking around money.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    Struth

    #3545000, posted on August 12, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Grass “routes” you really didn’t get it do you.

    I do.
    That is why I gave you four funny face emojis.
    Four!
    Five is my top score and I don’t hand out a Five Emoji score easily.
    Four is high praise.
    Well done you.

  22. Infidel Tiger King

    Harris locked up truants but refused to act on illegal immigrants.

  23. notafan

    And are you suggesting now that western civilization owes nothing to education and to faith?

  24. Struth

    Ah, I get it C.W.
    You don’t clear $10k every week.
    Got it.
    Just that, the week of the Big Convoy you landed the best job evah.
    Cruel coincidence.
    What are the odds?

    Not evah, and not by a long shot, but is this statement by you meant to say..

    Sorry struth, I was being a smart arse and fell flat on my face due to pure ignorance?

  25. Mater

    Gez,
    Albert Jacka was a Wedderburn boy.
    Now there’s a man who might have been jibbed for a VC…or two.

  26. Boambee John

    mh
    #3544980, posted on August 12, 2020 at 9:24 am
    Kamala has an unusually thick neck.

    She averages out “pencil neck” Schiff?

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Guys, guys.
    Listen up.
    Cardigan Commandos is out as a title.
    We are now all “marked men”.
    But the title needs some gravitas and mystique.
    How about “Martyrs of the Mark”?

  28. Old School Conservative

    Des Deskperson
    #3544960, posted on August 12, 2020 at 9:14 am
    ‘Well spotted.
    It appears the writer of the article took some liberties with the facts.’

    The writer is former Liberal Minister Michael Wooldridge

    Des, the writer of the article in The Australian is Alan Howe, Opinion Editor.
    He quotes Wooldridge in the article.
    It is Howe who made the error of naming Mt Stromlo as the crash site.
    Since corrected.

  29. Struth

    There are many different types of education Notafan.
    They should all have a place in the conversation.

  30. Struth

    Well it’s never happened before in History has it Frank?
    This is where an education does help.
    Especially one in history.

  31. notafan

    Dan Andrews has earned his grim reaper title another day.

    21 deaths.

    How many in ICU?

    One of these things is not like the other.

  32. Farmer Gez

    Mater
    #3545014, posted on August 12, 2020 at 9:40 am
    Gez,
    Albert Jacka was a Wedderburn boy.
    Now there’s a man who might have been jibbed for a VC…or two.

    The old gold towns threw up some of the best.
    Many of the West Australian boys who met their fate at Lone Pine were from Victorian gold towns who went west to the new rush.

  33. notafan

    Struth

    The modern equivalent of Bernie Duggan.

    Sometimes it’s really better not to hit ‘post comment ‘.

  34. Oh come on

    Kamala Harris is the worst black female contender that Biden could have chosen as his running mate. Her selection will please centrist Dems who were already mollified by Biden’s nomination, so no gain there. The Bernie bros and the antifa crowd are not going to be enthusiastic about her prosecutor past. And I don’t think she’s going to swing much of the black vote because she is so inauthentic. She’s Hillary with a tan.

    Good news!

  35. Shelley

    I have been wondering for a bit if anyone else had noticed this too

    Yes, and it is not the Cat at its best.

  36. Anne

    Kamala Harris prosecuted Journalists investigating Planned KillingFields’ selling of murdered and dismembered babies.

    Also that neck thing, mh.

    She could have been a man, I’ll look into it.

  37. Struth

    Ah, I get it C.W.
    You don’t clear $10k every week.
    Got it.
    Just that, the week of the Big Convoy you landed the best job evah.
    Cruel coincidence.
    What are the odds?

    This is how it always ends when , as I have told you before, your emotion is not controlled enough to think clearly.
    You and Nota are the same in this respect.
    Your rabid desire to bring me down always slams you in the face, because you go in with emotion in control.
    Emotion that expresses itself with sarcasm.
    Which is bitter and resentful.

    I pray for you two.
    It’s what us educated, religious men do.

  38. Maj

    The God Emperor slaps down Kamala:

    Donald Trump: Kamala Harris ‘Meanest, Most Horrible, Most Disrespectful’ Senator

    President Donald Trump on Tuesday reacted to the news that former Vice President Joe Biden had selected Sen. Kamala Harris as his running mate in 2020.

    The president criticized Harris for treating his nominee to the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh, unfairly during the confirmation hearings.

    “That was a horrible event,” Trump said. “I thought it was terrible for her, I thought it was terrible for our nation. She was the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful than anybody in the U.S. Senate.”

    The president spoke about Harris during a press conference at the White House on Tuesday evening, shortly after the Biden campaign announced his decision.

    “She was my number one draft pick,” Trump said. “We’ll see how it works out.”

    Trump said he was surprised by Biden’s pick after she performed so poorly in the Democrat presidential primaries.

    “That’s like a poll,” Trump said.

    Trump said that Harris was “nasty” to Biden during the Democrat primaries.

    “She was probably nastier than even Pochahontas to Joe Biden,” Trump said, referring to Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s attacks against Biden during the primary. “It’s hard to pick someone that’s so disrespectful.”

    Trump also criticized Harris for her record of prosecuting criminal marijuana cases in California and admitting during the Democrat primaries that she smoked marijuana.

    “Well she lied. She said things that were untrue,” Trump said.

    Earlier in the day, the Trump campaign released a video calling Harris a “phony” and highlighted her record of supporting leftist policy proposals.

    “She’s a big tax raiser. She’s a big slasher of funds for our military,” Trump said

  39. notafan

    Honestly Anne

    They can’t all be men masquerading as women.

    Can they?

  40. Makka

    Harris as VP means you can’t chip Biden as a commie.

    mUnty, no matter what the window dressing, the Dims cannot hide from their POTUS pick. The demented old pervert is an embarrassment and the left know it.. Wait until the attack ads get going mUnty. Parents and particularly women aren’t going to enjoy watching a creepy senile white guy groping young girls.

    The VP hardly matters in the race but thankfully he picked Harris, who most blacks detest.

  41. Boambee John

    Farmer Gez

    The old gold towns threw up some of the best.
    Many of the West Australian boys who met their fate at Lone Pine were from Victorian gold towns who went west to the new rush.

    Do you mean The Nek?

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender

    #3544909, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:29 am

    Give us a go, it’ll be fine. Not.

    Crash secret revealed: minister was at the controls

    Yes TE.
    The old saying:-

    There are old pilots.
    And there are bold pilots.
    But there are no old, bold pilots.

    A little debate here the other week implying that intricate mechanical knowledge was required to be a pilot, along with comments about clipboards and OHS.
    I quoted two examples where overconfidence, skipping checklists and lack of piloting knowledge and skills killed ten people.
    And here is another one.
    Interesting point about culture though.
    There was reference to Fairbairn “pulling rank” to get in the left hand seat (speculation of course).
    In modern aviation no-one “pulls rank” on the captain of an aircraft.

  43. 132andBush

    Yep, but when I’m sitting in the middle of nowhere, in the NT with a crackling fire at sunset, a coupla steaks on it, with wide loads that can’t be moved at night, with a beer in hand and good blokes around me, and I watch people trying to experience the same life by buying thousands of dollars worth of caravan and 4wd,

    +1
    Different industry but same experiences.

    LL,
    Struth’s not saying he makes that every week of the year.

  44. Anne

    21 deaths.

    Wow, lucky we shut down 6 million people or it could have been double that.

  45. Oh come on

    All you need to do is play Tulsi Gabbard’s debate demolition of Kamala to black voters over and over again.

  46. OldOzzie

    What World War II Teaches Us When It Comes to Standing Up to China

    The parallels between 1930s Germany and 2010s China are profound. The free world’s failure to contain the Nazi evil in Germany led directly to World War II. China may not be plotting a third world war, but the need to contain its evil is no less profound. Just as no one in 1938 could know for certain just how bad things would get over the next seven years, no one today can know for certain what is coming from China. Our goal should be not to find out.

    The Reductio ad Hitlerum is the distinctive twenty-first-century addition to Aristotle’s classic list of thirteen logical fallacies. It occurs when an argument becomes so heated that one party compares the positions of the other to those of Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were so evidently evil that anything associated with them must be bad. So if you want to argue against vegetarianism, just point out that Hitler was a vegetarian. Q.E.D.

    The ethnic parallels run even deeper, as Beijing increasingly claims to speak for all people of Chinese descent, whether in Taiwan (with which China demands an Anschluss), the Southeast Asian diaspora (analogous to the German-speaking minorities of Eastern Europe), and the English-speaking countries (similar to Hitler’s unheeded appeals to German-Americans).

    Hong Kong might be likened to China’s Danzig, the South China Sea disputes to Germany’s creeping occupation and militarization of the Rhineland, the Saar, and the Sudetenland. China maintains and has recently begun pressing irredentist claims to portions of India, Bhutan, and Japan. Like 1930s Germany, today’s China makes extensive use of “salami slicing” and other “just short of war” tactics to pressure its neighbors into making concessions.

    The first countries to stand up to China must be its neighbors. That’s the real lesson of 1939. At the beginning of World War Two, natural Western allies like Belgium, Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands all declared their neutrality in the vain hope of avoiding Nazi aggression. Other Western neutrals like Switzerland and Sweden even cooperated with the Nazi war effort to save their own skins. Had they all stood solidly with Britain and France, it is unlikely that Germany would ever have been able to make much headway in Western Europe.

    The littoral countries of the South China Sea should learn that lesson. Were they to take a strong common stand against Chinese expansionism, they could meaningfully leverage America’s commitment to freedom of navigation. But they can’t reasonably expect the United States to throw its full weight behind their interests when they won’t commit their own resources to resisting China. There is no room for neutrality in the South China Sea.

    It’s past time for the world to start treating China for what it is, and what it claims to be even in its own foreign policy doctrines: an expansive state bent on modernizing its military and seizing what it considers to be its “rightful” place in the world. It is China that lays claim to Taiwan, most of the South China Sea, Japan’s Senkaku Islands, and large swathes of northern India, and China that routinely touts its military preparations to press home those claims. Its military ambitions are not hidden in some obscure intelligence report. They are routinely reported in the CPC’s in-house mouthpiece, the Global Times.

    The melodrama of Nazi comparisons justly discourages serious foreign policy analysts from making use of them. Yet China has reached the “1938” point of comparison on both internal and external metrics. To stop 1938 becoming 1939, the world has to learn the lessons of 1939. The way to prevent World War Three is not to accede China’s ever-growing demands. It’s for the world to take a principled stand against totalitarianism and militarism. Even in Russia’s case, a self-interested stand would be enough. But either way, a stand must be taken, and now. Tomorrow may be too late.

  47. Leigh Lowe

    I am thinking about going out to get the paper.
    There are for black SUVs in the street with darkened windows.
    Being a Martyr of the Mark, I wonder.
    Who are they?
    What do they want?

    If I don’t check in later, don’t shed tears.
    Just carry on lads.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry.
    False alarm.
    School drop-off.
    Not the UNCIA.

  49. Snoopy

    The Democrats don’t want dinky-di Black Americans anywhere near the presidency.

  50. Anne

    Honestly Anne

    They can’t all be men masquerading as women.

    Can they?

    Wait till you find out about Hollywood.

    #ThesePeopleAreSick

  51. Oh come on

    What, m0nty supports the Kamala pick? If I had the slightest doubt in calling Biden’s choice a disaster, that has now gone. Thanks, m0nts!

  52. Leigh Lowe

    For = four = 4.
    Just like route = root.
    Geddit?

  53. Maj

    All you need to do is play Tulsi Gabbard’s debate demolition of Kamala to black voters over and over again.

    Forget black voters.

    President Trump’s re-election rides on white working class suburban men and (especially) women.

    Convince them their suburb will look like downtown Portland and The Donald will carry 45 states.

  54. mh

    Also that neck thing, mh.

    She could have been a man, I’ll look into it.

    Check out Big Willie.

  55. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From mh at 9:38 am :

    Phony

    You’re quick out of the blocks mh – that’s a cracker, the Trump A Team were ready for this announcement.

  56. Farmer Gez

    Do you mean The Nek?

    Yes that’s right, The Nek in particular.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    LL,
    Struth’s not saying he makes that every week of the year.

    Um yes.
    I knew that was where the arithmetic was headed up front.
    It was never going to be gross income of $10 k x 52.
    It was going to the claim that the “best job evah” landed right on the week of the Big Convoy.
    Incredible bad luck.

  58. Struth

    I am thinking about going out to get the paper.
    There are for black SUVs in the street with darkened windows.
    Being a Martyr of the Mark, I wonder.
    Who are they?
    What do they want?

    If I don’t check in later, don’t shed tears.
    Just carry on lads.

    This ignorant mocking is flying in the face of the fact the guy organising the right wing protest in Melbourne against the government, was arrested before it began.
    Before he left the house.
    Days before.

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Many of the West Australian boys who met their fate at Lone Pine were from Victorian gold towns who went west to the new rush.

    The saying was that “Clunes miners built Kalgoorlie.”

  60. mh

    Hillary Clinton
    @HillaryClinton
    I’m thrilled to welcome @KamalaHarris to a historic Democratic ticket. She’s already proven herself to be an incredible public servant and leader. And I know she’ll be a strong partner to @JoeBiden. Please join me in having her back and getting her elected.

  61. OldOzzie

    Thanks To Trump Our Foreign Policy Isn’t In Crisis, It’s Recovering

    The president has consistently favored disentanglement after 16 years of reckless hawkishness under Bush and Obama.

  62. Struth

    Um yes.
    I knew that was where the arithmetic was headed up front.

    No you didn’t.
    You thought I was a bullshit artist and you had me, and you went in, as I keep saying to you, emotions in charge, and made a dick of yourself again.
    Now you “knew all along”
    Spare me , you bloody space cadet.

  63. Des Deskperson

    ‘Des, the writer of the article in The Australian is Alan Howe, Opinion Editor.
    He quotes Wooldridge in the article.
    It is Howe who made the error of naming Mt Stromlo as the crash site.
    Since corrected.’

    OCS, on page 10 – the ‘Commentary’ page – of this morning’s print edition of the Oz is an article by Michael Wooldbridge, ‘Tragic Wartime Crash Secret can Finally be Revealed’. This is presumably the basis for Howe’s ‘exclusive’ in the news section.

    Para 10 of Wooldbridge’s article includes the following:

    ‘On final approach to Canberra Aerodrome , without explanation or warning, the plane stalled, went into a dive and crashed on Mt Stromlo’

    The error is clearly Wooldbridges; odd in that, as a Federal MP, he would have transited Canberra Airport numerous times and should had been aware that it is nowhere near Mt Stromlo.

  64. Maj

    Boris is such a disappointment!

    Farage: Boris Lacks ‘Political Will’ to Stop Migrant Boats, Govt Should Declare ‘National Emergency’

    Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage said that Prime Minister Boris Johnson doesn’t have the “political will” to tackle the growing migrant boat crisis in the English Channel, as over 4,100 migrants have landed on British beaches since the start of the year.

    On Monday morning, Mr Farage said that he doesn’t think the Prime Minister will tackle the issue out of fear of backlash and accusations of racism.

    “I don’t think Boris Johnson and the Cabinet are prepared to do what it takes and to face the criticism that they’ll get,” the Brexiteer told Julia Hartley-Brewer on talkRadio.

    Writing in The Telegraph, Mr Farage said that statements from the government about trying to secure a deal with France to immediately return boat migrants “will remain hollow and meaningless until there is real political action,” adding: “it needs to come soon.”

    The Brexit leader said that the British government cannot wait until after the ongoing “transition” period with the EU at the end of 2020 to get control of the migrant crisis, saying that the “time has come already to declare an emergency.”

    “This would be far better than sending a few Royal Navy vessels into the Channel where, as things stand, they would simply join the Border Force and [Royal National Lifeboat Institution] in becoming a taxi service,” Farage explained.

    62 Per Cent of Britons Think Boris Johnson’s Government Is Failing on Immigration https://t.co/ftbRQFGPd9

    — Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) July 28, 2020

    Mr Farage said that the only way to solve the issue will be to follow the lead of former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott, who under his Operation Sovereign Borders policy halted illegal boat migration from by immediately returning boat migrants to the country they came from or to third-party states to have their asylum claims processed, with legitimate refugees housed in countries other than Australia at Australia’s expense.

    “Like Abbott’s administration, Boris Johnson needs to make it clear that nobody who enters Britain illegally having arrived via France will qualify for refugee status. This is the only realistic solution,” Farage wrote.

    The arch-Brexiteer said that the British public are increasingly seeing the failure of Boris Johnson’s government to stem the tide as a “national humiliation”, noting that the driving force behind the 2016 EU referendum was a desire for the United Kingdom to “control its borders properly”.

    He went on to say that the hordes of mostly young male migrants crossing the English Channel is not just an issue of public opinion or the billions of taxpayer money spent housing and supporting them, but also a matter of national security.

    “Unless Johnson acts quickly, one of his chief legacies will be to have stored up a huge problem for the future of this country. Does he really want to be remembered for this?” Farage asked.

    Sky News: ‘Desperate’ Migrants In Glasgow Stabbing Hotel Unhappy with ‘Limited WiFi’, ‘Poor’ Food https://t.co/DrWDSvtUAk

    — Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) June 26, 2020

    For his part, Prime Minister Johnson said that his government will attempt to work with “our French friends” to stop the waves of migrants crossing the Channel.

    “We want to stop that, working with the French, make sure that they understand that this isn’t a good idea, this is a very bad and stupid and dangerous and criminal thing to do,” Johnson said per The Guardian.

    “But then there’s a second thing we’ve got to do, and that is to look at the legal framework that we have that means that when people do get here, it is very, very difficult to then send them away again even though, blatantly, they’ve come here illegally,” Johnson said — although as a governing prime minister with a parliamentary majority in the dozens it is unclear why he has not yet changed that legal framework.

    Now @BorisJohnson says the legal framework means that it’s “very difficult” to send illegal migrants away.

    But as Prime Minister, he has the power to change the legal framework.

    Does he not have the guts?

    — Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) August 10, 2020

  65. Caveman

    Wow, lucky we shut down 6 million people or it could have been double that.

    Your not that far off , as Chairman Dan says in his pressers, that if he didn’t take these harsh steps 10’s of thousand Victorians would be infected. He’s saving Victoria don’t you know.

  66. Struth

    It was never going to be gross income of $10 k x 52.

    And looking at it, gross income that would be about right.
    After expenses, nett, 50 bucks!

  67. Anne

    What’s this I’m hearing about hospitals/nursing homes getting $25,000 – $30,000 for every Covid19 death?

    And is it true these places are offering relatives a free funeral and a few grand in cash if they sign an NDA & don’t talk to the Press?

    Is that a healthy system when hospitals get cash incentives for people to die? 😳

  68. Joanna Smythe

    The Australian newspaper is definitely on the turn. I’ve been writing comments there for a long time and over the past few months I’ve noticed comments I’ve written recently, that are no different the ones I’ve written in the past, are getting rejected more and more.

  69. notafan

    Three cheers for Tony Abbott!

  70. Makka

    President Trump’s re-election rides on white working class suburban men and (especially) women.

    Maj, I think it’s a little more complex than that but essentially you’re right. It will ride largely on the vote of non-college educated working males (both black and white) , the black and hispanic vote generally and then white women. In all those demographics Trump is doing well, better than 2016 . And yes, the Dems with BLM and Antifa violence are doing their destructive bit day and night to create the Redwave.

  71. Eyrie

    Struth, I wasn’t having a shot at you but we all could try ignoring troll posts.

    LL sometimes posts sensible stuff like about the Hudson crash. What the hell was wrong with the RAAF pilot in the right seat? No probs letting someone take the controls but if they start to screw up, give urgent advice or “taking over!”. Fine day I think. How hard is it?

  72. Boambee John

    LL

    Interesting point about culture though.
    There was reference to Fairbairn “pulling rank” to get in the left hand seat (speculation of course).
    In modern aviation no-one “pulls rank” on the captain of an aircraft.

    There is a back story to this.

    The aircraft captain was FLTLT Robert Hitchcock, son of one of the men who died in the loss of the Kookaburra in the Tanami Desert during the search for Kingsford Smith. At the funeral, a promise was made to Hitchcock Snr’s wife that her sons would receive employment in the RAAF.

    Hitchcock Jnr joined as a storeman, and later sought flying training. He was not a good pupil (one of his instructors said that “he would not make a pilot”), but the implied promise helped him be pushed through to graduation. Given his apparent poor skills, he might have been vulnerable to pressure from Fairbairn to take over.

    The road to hell and good intentions?

    His two brothers enlisted in the RAAF during WW II, but stuck to ground duties.

  73. Struth

    The Australian newspaper is definitely on the turn. I’ve been writing comments there for a long time and over the past few months I’ve noticed comments I’ve written recently, that are no different the ones I’ve written in the past, are getting rejected more and more.

    The MSM did all it could to bring in socialist tyranny and now they think towing the party line will ensure their survival.
    Looking at what’s happening already, I’d suggest in another couple of months they’ll realise they have shot themselves in the foot, with maybe a few being dragged off quicker than a Hong Kong Newspaper man.

  74. notafan

    Anne

    Sure 25,000 to $30,000 with a shut up $9000 to the family for a faked death certificate.

    Whose paying ?

    Federal or State Government.

    Do you know where these covid19 patients actually are, right now?

    Are they in the hospital or the nursing home, and if they’ve recently been transferred who gets the money, nursing home or hospital.

    And pretty much a repeat of allegations made in the US.

    A link would be nice

  75. Farmer Gez

    ‘On final approach to Canberra Aerodrome , without explanation or warning, the plane stalled, went into a dive and crashed on Mt Stromlo’

    Des, I think you’ll find the Hudson had a habit of doing just that. Quite a few pilots were killed in training on Hudsons.
    I knew an ex-AA soldier who based based at airfields and his opinion of the Hudson was low. Too slow and cumbersome.
    “Hosing our the bits of men in the turrets after they landed.” He never forgot.

  76. Eyrie

    Then again that Korean 777 at SFO had 3 alleged “pilots” on board and got on the back of the drag curve resulting in a ball of wreckage on the runway because nobody noticed the airspeed decaying. Another fine day too.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    Eyrie, who wants to be the pilot who tells a know-it-all minister and WW1 vet he is fucking up?
    Just hoping against hope it doesn’t end badly. Maybe the speed dropped a bit on approach (or speed bled off after levelling out). Going a bit slow, maybe pulled on a bit of Biggles bank angle and splat.

  78. Boambee John

    Eyrie

    What the hell was wrong with the RAAF pilot in the right seat? No probs letting someone take the controls but if they start to screw up, give urgent advice or “taking over!”. Fine day I think. How hard is it?

    See my comment immediately after yours.

  79. Eyrie

    Farmer Gez, maybe the Hudson had a large trim change with power or flap position. Failure to re-trim could result in decaying airspeed and stall. Cessna 172 and 182 etc have similar. If you are getting a little slow on approach and simply increase power the airspeed will decrease unless you push noticeably and re-trim. For all that, the C172 has a very good accident record for a light aircraft.

  80. Knuckle Dragger

    Some mention of ‘pulling rank’ earlier.

    Naturally, I went into the bomb shelter.

  81. Mother Lode

    Harris as VP means you can’t chip Biden as a commie. Kamala is a cop, which is fun because Trump/Pence are all crooks.

    The Dimocrats have been trying to pin crimes on Trump from day one. They have not found a single thing that stuck. One of them was even shouting about impeachment before he had even taken office, much less had a chance to do anything wrong in office.

    But still they call him criminal. Yet it also reveals that the accusations are not based on fact since there are no criminal facts.

    If anything, all evidence to date, for which the Dimocrats have laboured so long and hard to bring to light, indicates that he is not a criminal.

    I am repeatedly surprised at how squeaky clean he is.

  82. Old School Conservative

    The error is clearly Wooldbridges

    Thanks Des.
    The on-line version does change quickly!

  83. 132andBush

    And looking at it, gross income that would be about right.
    After expenses, nett, 50 bucks!

    Haha.
    Sounds like harvest contracting these last ten years.

  84. Eyrie

    Eyrie, who wants to be the pilot who tells a know-it-all minister and WW1 vet he is fucking up?

    One who wants to live. Take over, apologise to Minister, go round and suggest they do another circuit as “I’m sure you can do better than that, sir. Lets have another go, the Hudson is a bit different from the aircraft you’ve flown before”.

  85. The Democrats went safe with Biden, and Biden went safe with Harris. Understandable under the circumstances.

    Trump pulled an inside straight in 2016 but he is drawing dead at the moment.

  86. Maj

    It gets worse.

    The Oz’s Alice Workman launches attack on Christians, implies they’re Wuhan Flu super-spreaders:

    Given that Gladys Berejiklian expects the COVID hotspot linked to Tangara School for Girls ‘will grow’, it’s curious she hasn’t mentioned the cluster could impact her own cabinet. Three of Treasurer Dominic Perrottet’s six children attend the private school’s primary campus, in the building next to Sydney’s latest mystery coronavirus outbreak. And he thought the icare scandal was his biggest problem! There have been 17 confirmed cases linked to the Cherrybrook school in Sydney’s leafy Hills District so far —11 senior students, one teacher, three household and two social contacts.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/strewth/covid19-nears-nsw-cabinet/news-story/3ac9ac9d8484bdcf8ed95b55b6198766

  87. Old School Conservative

    Let’s not ignore the real thrust of the Lockheed Hudson bomber crash article;

    Confirmation of this suggests prime minister Robert Menzies interfered with plans for a subsequent royal commission so that the truth would be withheld.

    Yet another scandal to lay at the feet of conservatives.

  88. Makka

    No need to keep digging , mUnty. Even a leftist dimwit like you knows it’s a Dimorat disaster in the making.

  89. Maj

    At least this sort of Christophobia is what you expect from Nine:

    A study and prayer retreat is the suspected catalyst for a ballooning COVID-19 cluster linked to Tangara School for Girls, as Premier Gladys Berejiklian warns camps and excursions are a pandemic no-go.

    Health authorities are searching for the source of a coronavirus outbreak affecting the independent Opus Dei school at Cherrybrook in Sydney’s Hills District and its close-knit community.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/religious-study-retreat-at-centre-of-covid-cluster-20200811-p55kpw.html

  90. 132andBush

    Notafan,

    Serious question re elderly with Covid being placed/given palliative care only.
    Do you have a source for this?
    I think it was you who was claiming this in the last few days. Apologies if not.

  91. Leigh Lowe

    Eyrie

    #3545104, posted on August 12, 2020 at 10:27 am

    Eyrie, who wants to be the pilot who tells a know-it-all minister and WW1 vet he is fucking up?

    One who wants to live. Take over, apologise to Minister, go round and suggest they do another circuit

    Yes, that is what would happen these days.
    I was trying to figure out what the culture would have been back then.

    We have seen a few examples of (ahem) “non steel cutlery” pilots where the co-pilot has been taken to his death by a captain who was screwing up, but wouldn’t question it because … seniority.

  92. OldOzzie

    notafan
    #3545118, posted on August 12, 2020 at 10:33 am

    Anyone able to post full article?

    Sick sedated residents trapped in aged care homes

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    Elderly people in aged-care facilities infected with COVID-19 are being refused hospital admission and are instead being heavily sedated in understaffed and under-siege nursing homes.

    The Australian can reveal Victoria’s Department of Health and Human Services has refused to hospitalise COVID-infected aged care residents.

    Instead, residents with clinical needs who are at risk of “wandering” and infecting other residents and staff have been heavily sedated with medications including morphine, midazolam or the anti-psychotic, risperidone.

    Medical experts say the practice of sedating elderly patients with COVID-19 is “inhumane” and risks exacerbating their respiratory condition and potentially even causing an earlier death.

    The Australian has confirmed younger aged care home residents, in their 40s, have also been sedated instead of hospitalised or moved to another facility where they can be kept in isolation.

    The federal Aged Care Response Centre, set up in July to ­address the surging number of COVID-19 infections in nursing homes, has demanded DHHS urgently stop turning infected elderly patients — including those with clinical needs such as dementia — away from hospital.

    The DHHS had said that it did not have beds for “those type of people at this point in time”, sources said.

    A senior federal government source said DHHS was turning away “frail, elderly COVID-positive patients”.

    “They are reserving the beds for who knows what,” the source said. “You can’t imagine higher-priority patients. What’s happening is they are wanting to keep beds free in case — but in case of what? This is the ‘in case’.”

    READ THE FULL RESPONSE FROM BUPA AGED CARE

    Maryann Curry, the clinical services director at aged care giant Bupa, said: “Every hour counts when someone is unwell. Moving residents from aged care homes into hospital as soon as they return a positive COVID-19 test is better for their care and far more effective at limiting the spread of the ­infection to other residents and staff within the home.

    “It is our view that keeping COVID-positive aged care residents within the home will almost certainly result in them suffering more than is necessary.

    “Our residential aged care homes are exactly that: homes. They are not medical facilities nor acute hospitals with the equipment and workforce to deal with a pandemic, which cruelly targets the elderly and vulnerable.”

    One aged care facility, Glenlyn Aged Care Facility in Glenroy, is dealing with a severe outbreak of COVID-19 at its 76-bed home, with at least 15 patients and five staff infected. That number is growing by the day.

    Robert Hoffman, who treats several residents at the facility, said Royal Melbourne Hospital had originally organised to transfer coronavirus-positive patients at risk of “wandering” to hospital but cancelled the ambulances. Instead, the patients were sedated.

    “Any COVID residents who were unwell were ordered as needed palliative care medications, morphine etc, one as young as 46,” Dr Hoffman said. “The COVID-positive but well residents who wander and cannot be easily isolated were heavily sedated.

    “One of my patients with no symptoms but is positive for COVID and can’t be isolated was heavily sedated.”

    Glenlyn Aged Care Facility contacted Dr Hoffman on Monday to ask him to prescribe medication to sedate another one of his patients, aged 46.

    One Glenlyn resident, Jose Silvera, 80, was sedated using Risperidone by doctors from Royal Melbourne Hospital’s Residential In-Reach service late last week. Jose’s wife of 52 years, Raquel Silvera, 73, said she was told her husband had COVID-19 on Friday. But she said no one sought her permission to sedate her husband and she was worried it was done “to keep him quiet in the nursing home.”

    She is extremely fearful for the care Jose will be receiving and is terrified he will not survive.

    “I prefer to see my husband in hospital, my husband is 80 years-old, younger people than him have died,” she said.

    “If he goes to hospital, maybe he will have a chance to survive. Why are they not taking him to the hospital? Why are they going to allow my husband to get worse and worse and worse?”

    The Australian understands Royal Melbourne Hospital’s outreach doctor also prescribed end-of-life medication to an ­asymptomatic 47-year-old who had tested positive to COVID-19, sparking a heated argument with the owner of Glenlyn. The owner insisted on contacting the ­patient’s mother who is understood to have vehemently objected to giving her son morphine.

    Glenlyn declined to comment on Monday.

    Royal Melbourne Hospital did not respond to questions about this — nor how many COVID-19 patients across Victoria had been prescribed sedatives — but confirmed their use in residential aged care facilities.

    “Helping to minimise the spread of COVID-19 in residential aged care facilities is part of the ongoing response the hospital has provided,” a spokeswoman said. “In some cases where residents are prone to agitation and delirium, medications can be used to ensure the safety of themselves, other residents and the staff. Care decisions are made on a case-by-case basis by the appropriate healthcare professional and take into account the clinical needs of the residents, and a facility’s capacity to provide the level of care required.”

    Royal Melbourne said the Residential In-Reach program of highly skilled nurses and senior medical staff was used in aged-care facilities unless a patient’s condition deteriorated, at which point they were taken to hospital.

    “This service provides care to patients in their residential aged care home where they are comfortable and surrounded by staff who are familiar to them; in cases where a resident’s condition deteriorates they are transported to the hospital for more acute medical care,” the spokeswoman said.

    DHHS declined to comment.

    There are concerns the use of sedatives on elderly patients could exacerbate the symptoms of COVID-19. Joseph Ibrahim, a practising physician and Monash University academic specialising in geriatric medicine, said the use of sedatives was “inhumane” and should be a last resort.

    “It’s well-established that the use of antipsychotics and sedatives can compromise a person’s mobility and their ability to breathe and if the person has COVID, or any other respiratory illness, it’s likely to further compromise their recovery,” he said. “It potentially is a contributing factor to an earlier death.”

    Professor Ibrahim said hospital transfer was an option that should be used to treat the patients before they were sedated with “dangerous” medications.

    “People with dementia and COVID are likely to be very scared and very frightened and if we want to be humane we would look after them, reassure them and provide more support, we would not simply resort to sedating them,” he said.

    Kathy Eager, director of the Australian Health Services Research Institute at Wollongong University, said it was poor practice to use sedation to manage behaviour and its use could be “really distressing” for patients.

    “I think it’s a total misuse of sedation,” she said. “I do understand there are big challenges with COVID but people actually also have human rights and that needs to be based on their medical needs, not the social need to keep them quiet or physically isolated.

    “If you cannot physically ­separate people who are going to be wandering with COVID and do not have enough staff to care for them, they should be moved out in order to protect themselves and to protect the other ­residents.”

    At another facility with a COVID-19 outbreak, Grace of Mary in Epping, DHHS has told managers only elderly with acute cases would be hospitalised.

    Dr Hoffman, who has patients at several homes, said the Victorian ambulance service had been “blocked” from attending the Grace of Mary nursing home.

    “When faced with having virtually no staff to care for 50 residents, I understand the manager advised DHHS that he would have to transfer residents to hospital for their basic care,” he said.

    Chemical restraint, or the use of sedatives, was heavily condemned by the Aged Care Royal Commission. Aged Care Clinical Advisory Committee documents from last year provided to the royal commission concluded that “there was clearly a problem with the overuse of antipsychotic medication and benzodiazepines in (residential aged care), noting that a small proportion (estimated at about 10 per cent) of the current use was clearly justified”.

    At Glenlyn, Dr Hoffman said a COVID outbreak had meant there was a skeleton staff last weekend but the situation had worsened with virtually no one left to care for the residents. “There are no staff available for work. No one to cook, care, provide medication and to review these residents,” he said. “Victoria’s DHHS has been asked repeatedly for help. In the absence of help, patients should have been evacuated expeditiously. COVID cases in that facility will inevitably increase, which they are.”

    Victorian Liberal MP Tim Smith, a critic of the DHHS handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, said the patients should have been moved to hospital. “These patients are some of the most vulnerable people in our society,” he said. “Why are they being refused access to the government’s hospital system, in the middle of this COVID-19 crisis, against the consulting doctor’s advice?”

  93. dover_beach

    Kamala Harris is the worst black female contender that Biden could have chosen as his running mate. Her selection will please centrist Dems who were already mollified by Biden’s nomination, so no gain there. The Bernie bros and the antifa crowd are not going to be enthusiastic about her prosecutor past. And I don’t think she’s going to swing much of the black vote because she is so inauthentic. She’s Hillary with a tan.

    Good news!

    Correct. Harris locks in the urban bugman (already a lock, see monty above) but no one else.

    Breaking news: Biden finds out that monty is all in and supporting him on the interwebs:

  94. Leigh Lowe

    What the hell was wrong with the RAAF pilot in the right seat?

    Do we know it was a RAAFie in the RH seat?
    Perhaps another minister sitting up front to enjoy the view?
    The enquiry did not specify who was in any particular seat as I understand it.

  95. Boambee John

    Eyrie and LL

    See the back story I posted above. Given his poor flying aptitude during training, there must be some doubt that Hitchcock taking over would have made a difference, particularly in a known “difficult”aircraft like the Hudson.

    Once committed, too late!

  96. Leigh Lowe

    Elderly people in aged-care facilities infected with COVID-19 are being refused hospital admission 

    Because the new elite – frunnline elf care wukkas – must be protected.

  97. woolfe

    So piloting a WW1 string and fabric buzz box is the same a piloting a complicated WW2 era bomber. For Biggles maybe. #AllPlanesAreEqual

  98. dover_beach

    BTW, I see that BLM are supporting the Harris pick. What a bunch of phonys.

  99. Old School Conservative

    A direct copy/paste from The Oz:
    School outbreak linked to religious ‘retreat’

    Note the use of scary quotation marks.

  100. candy

    Trump pulled an inside straight in 2016 but he is drawing dead at the moment.

    It does look very hard for Trump to win this time, I agree with Monty there.

    Kamala Harris is an attractive looking woman, looks good for the part. But a hard job for her too – she has to show great loyalty to Biden and pretend he will be president for four years, but at the same time, show her credentials to be President and get the black and white support together, never easy in the States.

  101. notafan

    If article at the Australian can be unlocked will confirm 132andbush

    I’ve heard it on the grapevine.

    The ICU numbers don’t tally with the death rates plus there was a story in the Age four weeks ago that a nursing home in Werribee was not allowed to transfer it’s covid19 patients to hospital.

    Plus if the patient dies from covid19 in the nursing home what treatment would one conclude they were receiving?

    Plus I linked a health care pathway for medical professionals which clearly mentions what is in fact a palliative care pathway.

    8 of yesterday’s deaths were people in their nineties.

  102. Mother Lode

    as Premier Gladys Berejiklian warns camps and excursions are a pandemic no-go.

    Politicians really have no idea that their power has limits.

    It is like the economy. Polticians think they ‘own’ it and are entitled to with it what they will.

    And we have already seen how they legislate so you can think what you want so long as no one hears it, such as what comprises marriage and whether we all bear collective guilt for past injustices before our own birth.

  103. Makka

    At Glenlyn, Dr Hoffman said a COVID outbreak had meant there was a skeleton staff last weekend but the situation had worsened with virtually no one left to care for the residents. “There are no staff available for work. No one to cook, care, provide medication and to review these residents,” he said. “Victoria’s DHHS has been asked repeatedly for help. In the absence of help, patients should have been evacuated expeditiously. COVID cases in that facility will inevitably increase, which they are.”

    A Govt made hell for these vulnerable old people. Left to die. Literally.

    And all of it can be sheeted back directly to Andrew’s complete bungling of the whole quarantine hotel debacle. Playing politics and letting Abos and kiddies run the security , hi fiving their indisputable expertise in getting it done.

    What an absolute disgrace. Those poor people and their families. Sickening stuff.

  104. Ladyredneck

    Thanks for that link Old Ozzie. This is VERY disturbing. How else can this administration cock things up so completely?

  105. 132andBush

    notafan
    #3545134, posted on August 12, 2020 at 10:45 am

    If article at the Australian can be unlocked will confirm 132andbush

    Cheers

  106. Top Ender

    Joanna Smythe…The Australian newspaper is definitely on the turn.

    You should definitely email [email protected] what you have written.

    Might be a way to head the woke moderators off at the pass.

  107. Pete of Perth

    We missed you Monty. The comic relief is needed to pull us through these dangerous plague ridden times.

  108. lotocoti

    The Australian can reveal Victoria’s Department of Health and Human Services has refused to hospitalise COVID-infected aged care residents.

    It smacks of the cultish Protect the NHS in the UK.
    The only upside of protecting the NHS by not admitting anyone, was a reduction in their appalling record of negligent deaths.

  109. incoherent rambler

    DHHS could send a few coppers to Aged Care facilities to apply choke holds on the women.
    That would get the Wu Flu death rate down.

  110. notafan

    Note how Dan the Grim Reaper uses these deaths, that are of his making, and now nevitable, as a justification for his ‘State of Disaster’.

  111. Top Ender

    Brian Winspear, a W/AG in WWII Hudsons, wrote:

    Their performance left a lot to be desired. The wing loading was very high; they glided like a brick if the engines stopped. They were also susceptible to unbalanced loading when bombs were not carried. Later in the Darwin area there were as many Hudsons lost to accidents as to enemy action.

  112. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #3545124, posted on August 12, 2020 at 10:39 am

    Daniel Andrews: it’s time to ‘take fresh look’ at euthanasia
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au › nation › politics
    4 Dec 2016 – Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews was anti-euthanasia until he watched his father die of cancer — now he believes it’s time ‘for a fresh look‘ at …

    Then came Wuhan virus.

  113. dover_beach

    Tucker on the Harris pick:

  114. Disturbing to hear that Opus Dei is spreading the plague.

  115. Maj

    as Premier Gladys Berejiklian warns camps and excursions are a pandemic no-go.

    Politicians really have no idea that their power has limits.

    It is like the economy. Polticians think they ‘own’ it and are entitled to with it what they will.

    And we have already seen how they legislate so you can think what you want so long as no one hears it, such as what comprises marriage and whether we all bear collective guilt for past injustices before our own birth.

    We need a Bill of Rights which says the Right of the People to gather and Pray and Worship shall NOT be infringed.

  116. MatrixTransform

    How the virus nearly killed my ex-wife …

    took a call this morning from UnitA.
    mum’s in hospital
    first thought… she’s topped herself
    second, covid

    UnitA tells me she’s been outta sorts since friday and that she thought it was food poisoning
    several tele-health consultations later and they decide it’s possible meningitis
    work rings monday, no answer
    doc rings monday, no answer
    UnitB rings her monday, no answer

    UnitB calls it yesterday morning. Fuck it she decided, I’m going over
    finds her mum on the floor unresponsive
    ambulance
    in hospital now, possible brain damage
    kids not allowed in. nobody allowed in
    no info coming out of the hospital either

    Thanks Dan … good choices for better outcomes

  117. Roger

    A Govt made hell for these vulnerable old people. Left to die. Literally.

    And all of it can be sheeted back directly to Andrew’s complete bungling of the whole quarantine hotel debacle.

    Which he is still lying about.

    In any other state he’d be gone by the end of the week.

    But who’d replace him?

  118. Diogenes

    A study and prayer retreat is the suspected catalyst for a ballooning COVID-19 cluster linked to Tangara School for Girls, as Premier Gladys Berejiklian warns camps and excursions are a pandemic no-go.

    To their credit Win(9) Central Coast showed the clip of BinChicken making the comments while up here to celebrate the topping out of the extension of Wyong Hospital, then read out the statement from the school saying they had neither organised, nor sanctioned, nor promoted the ‘retreat’.

    Does Gladys BinChicken now seriously expect schools to police what people do in their free time?

  119. Leigh Lowe

    A Govt made hell for these vulnerable old people. Left to die. Literally.

    But frunnline elf wukkas need to be pertected.
    They’ve got parking fines to pay and cavoodles to support.

  120. MatrixTransform

    geez, talk about synchronicity.
    I see CL has a post up on the topic.
    ffs

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Ladyredneck

    #3545140, posted on August 12, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Thanks for that link Old Ozzie. This is VERY disturbing. How else can this administration cock things up so completely?

    How can they cock it up?
    Years of experience.

  122. maj:

    I have been wondering for a bit if anyone else had noticed this too.

    So you’ve noticed too?

  123. frunnline elf wukkas

    So now, to defend the core values of Western civilisation, Cats must attack *checks notes* medical workers saving lives in a pandemic. smh

  124. Leigh Lowe

    woolfe

    #3545130, posted on August 12, 2020 at 10:43 am

    So piloting a WW1 string and fabric buzz box is the same a piloting a complicated WW2 era bomber. For Biggles maybe. #AllPlanesAreEqual

    The smoking hole in the ground seems to indicate they are not the same.

  125. OldOzzie

    Jim Rickards’ Blockbuster Election Prediction

    The presidential election is now less than three months away. A lot can happen in three months. But today I’m issuing a blockbuster election prediction that might shock you.

    I’m not doing it to attract attention or to be controversial. I’m doing it because I believe the data point in that direction.

    Biden’s Handlers Are in Charge

    Biden’s campaign has to rely on surrogates or substitutes to do in-person events. Every campaign uses surrogates, but that is done in addition to the candidate not in lieu of the candidate.

    In this case, the surrogates like Jill Biden, Terry McAuliffe and Biden’s press secretary are hitting the talk shows. Biden can’t do that himself.

    Meanwhile, it’s now being reported that Biden will not be going to Milwaukee for the Democratic convention. The convention was already virtual, but a few top names were expected to show up for keynote and acceptance speeches. Now that’s off.

    But Biden won’t be able to hide until Election Day. Which brings me to my big prediction…

    A Blockbuster Prediction

    My expectation now is that Biden will soon be replaced as the nominee soon. Democratic insiders will probably force him out of the race in the next week or so.

    They don’t want to risk exposing him to the American people before the election. For Democrats, the stakes are simply too high.

    One public incident or serious slip-up is all it could take to kill his chances in the election. The American people simply aren’t going to elect someone who they feel is mentally unfit for office.

    Many voters obviously dislike Trump. But, no one could credibly argue that he’s suffering from cognitive decline.

    So what’s going to happen?

    Democrat power brokers Will Pick Nominee

    The Democrat power brokers (Tom Perez, Donna Brazile, Valerie Jarrett, Philippe Reins, AOC, John Podesta and a few others) will get in a room and pick a new nominee.

    Biden will “release” his delegates, and party leadership will direct the super-delegates to support that choice. This will start a stampede among the former Biden delegates.

    The Bernie Sanders delegates will already be onboard because they’ll be part of the consultation. Then the new nominee will pick a VP and the “convention” will tidy things up. The race will continue from there.

    Alternatively, the power brokers could allow Biden to get the nomination and then remove him as nominee before the debates. That’s even easier because there are no delegates involved. It’s just an executive committee decision the candidate cannot refuse.

    Still, the process will be a shock to millions of Americans who’ve been expecting a Biden candidacy.

  126. Makka

    It’s very convenient for Dan Xi-man that the contact tracing situation is such a clusterfk. He turned back hundreds of ADF twice to ensure the longevity of the contact tracing shambles. That’s by design not a bug.

    Dan was never going to allow that tracing to work properly and identify his Govts complete ineptitude with the quarantine hotel contracts and management.

  127. woolfe

    At least the old Victorians can take comfort in the fact they will still vote for Dan when they are dead.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    Cats must attack *checks notes* medical workers saving (some) lives in a pandemic. smh

  129. Diogenes

    We need a Bill of Rights which says the Right of the People to gather and Pray and Worship shall NOT be infringed.

    Yarragrad has a Bill of Rights which among other things allows freedom of movement.
    It has been suspended by the DanXiMan as part of the”emergency”.

    Among other provisions
    The Charter Act protects the following rights in Victoria:

    Right to be recognised and treated equally before the law
    Right to life and to not have your life taken without a lawful reason
    Protection from cruel treatment or punishment, including torture and medical treatment without consent
    Freedom from forced work or slavery
    Right to move freely within Victoria, to come into and leave Victoria, and to choose where to live
    Right to privacy and to protect your reputation
    Freedom of thought, conscience, religion and belief
    Right to hold an opinion and freedom of expression
    Right to gather together, take part in a peaceful demonstration or protest, and to join groups such as political, sport or union groups
    Protection of families and children
    Right to take part in public life, including the right to vote
    Right to enjoy your culture, practice your religion, and speak your language
    Right not to have your property taken away, unless the law says it can be taken
    Right not to be arrested or detained unfairly, and right to the security of person, such as protection from harassment and threats in everyday life
    Right to be treated humanely when arrested or detained
    Protection of children in the criminal process
    Right to a fair hearing
    Rights in criminal proceedings including the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty
    Right not to be tried or punished more than once for the same crime
    Right not to be found guilty of a crime if the behaviour was not against the law when it happened.
    Every new law made by the Victorian Parliament is now accompanied by a Statement of Compatibility, which explains whether the law is compatible with the human rights in the Charter Act.

  130. Infidel Tiger King

    A Blockbuster Prediction

    My expectation now is that Biden will soon be replaced as the nominee soon. Democratic insiders will probably force him out of the race in the next week or so.

    Rickards is a moron.

    This is pure clickbait paranoia

    Biden/Harris has been planned for 2 years by Obama. If he wins, he stands down in 2024 for Michelle. If he loses, no biggie. Michelle runs and wins in 2024 anyway.

    There are no accidents in politics.

  131. Maj

    To their credit Win(9) Central Coast showed the clip of BinChicken making the comments while up here to celebrate the topping out of the extension of Wyong Hospital, then read out the statement from the school saying they had neither organised, nor sanctioned, nor promoted the ‘retreat’.

    Does Gladys BinChicken now seriously expect schools to police what people do in their free time?

    I don’t want to join the pile on on the Catholics but the school is operated by an Opus Dei body (Parents for Education Foundation), and the retreat was organised by another Opus Dei body (Eremeran).

    It’s fair enough to expect the left hand should know what the right hand is doing. But if you want to blame anyone in particular, blame Eremeran not the school.

  132. max

    Michael O’Brien is no threat to Dan Andrews. He’s a terrible stutterer and too excitable and over hyped. He needs a steely laser focus. Trioli and her listeners all seem to think that an Opposition leader who criticises our beloved Premier is just not playing the game. How dare he. Link arms now and join in the chorus: Good Old Dan !

  133. Maj

    Michael O’Brien is no threat to Dan Andrews.

    Kennett it trying to engineer a coup to replace O’Brien with Smith.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/danbuster-smiths-a-chip-off-the-old-kennett-block/news-story/e06ca49b319656529197b42c928a24d9

  134. OldOzzie

    Ethical Allocation Framework for Emerging Treatments of COVID-19

    Introduction

    The foundational goal of this document is to develop a broad, fair, and equitable framework for how to allocate scarce, emerging COVID-19 treatments. This document addresses remdesivir (RDV) in particular, but the ethical goals of this allocation framework should inform allocation of other scarce treatments as they become available. Information in this document (such as the clinical criteria for eligibility and dosage) that apply specifically to RDV are subject to change as more data emerges on its use and effectiveness.

    Ethical Justification for Proactively Mitigating Health Disparities in COVID-19 Outcomes
    Epidemiological data reveal a disproportionate burden of COVID-19 in low income communities and certain racial/ ethnic minorities. For example, a recent study found that individuals who resided in a low-income area had increased odds of a hospital admission from COVID-19.ii Health inequities may arise from multiple causes, including higher burdens of comorbid disease, poor health care access, infeasibility of social distancing due to living in densely-populated neighborhoods and households, the higher proportion of economically disadvantaged individuals who work in jobs

    classified as “essential” during the pandemic, and the need to continue to work in public-facing occupations due to economic hardship. Public health interventions are commonly used to mitigate disparities in outcomes across communities. The rationale is that a core goal of public health is to redress inequities that make health and safety less accessible to disadvantaged groups—we show equal respect for all members of society by mitigating the structural inequities that cause certain communities to bear the greatest burden during the pandemic. One strategy to accomplish this is to use a metric like the Area Deprivation Index1 to identify patients from disadvantaged communities, then give them somewhat increased chances to receive treatment in a weighted lottery (see Appendix A: Example of Weighted Lottery Policy for Fair Allocation of Medications to Treat COVID-19iii).

    Patient Eligibility to Receive Remdesivir

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issuedOpens In A New Window an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to permit the use of the remdesivir (RDV) for treatment of COVID-19. As the FDA notes, “Remdesivir is a direct acting antiviral that inhibits viral RNA synthesis. It is an investigational drug and is not currently approved for any indication…. [However], it is reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of RDV outweigh the known and potential risks of the drug for the treatment of patients hospitalized with severe COVID-19.”iii

    Hospitals should allocate RDV to laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 positive patients who are not currently receiving RDV treatment (e.g. under compassionate use, a clinical trial, or previous allocations of RDV), who consent, and who are clinically eligible to receive RDV. The clinical eligibility criteria for patients to receive RDV are consistent with the FDA’s EUA for emergency use of RDV for the treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients:

    The RDV covered by this authorization will be used only to treat adults and children with suspected or laboratory confirmed COVID-19 and severe disease defined as SpO2 ≤ 94% on room air, requiring supplemental oxygen, mechanical ventilation, or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO); and
    RDV is administered in an in-patient hospital setting via intravenous (IV) infusion by a healthcare provider; and
    The use of RDV covered by this authorization should be in accordance with the dosing regimens:

  135. feelthebern

    It’s very convenient for Dan Xi-man that the contact tracing situation is such a clusterfk. He turned back hundreds of ADF twice to ensure the longevity of the contact tracing shambles. That’s by design not a bug.

    Very correct.

  136. Cats must attack *checks notes* medical workers saving (some) lives in a pandemic. smh

    How many lives does a person have to save to earn your respect, LL?

  137. pete m

    Lol ar Tucker saying camela harris

  138. Leigh Lowe

    Maj

    #3544976, posted on August 12, 2020 at 9:21 am

    Silly little personal spats

    Yeah I’ve noticed there’s lots more talking about other users and less talking about topical topics.

    Maj, Eyrie.
    How was the scroll wheel going during years of batshit crazy conspiracy theories, voting strategies, moaning about societal decay, all delivered with an air of resigned martyrdom.
    Fair enough.
    Post what you like.
    But whenever anyone dared to question the flaws and inconsistencies, they were met with a barrage of “cuck, beta, coward, COW!!!, unpatriotic commie socialist, yada, yada”
    Even the most unkind cut of all … “paid up LNP member”.
    Sometimes a relentless reminding of their own hyper-bowl is the answer.

  139. Makka

    Biden – The Art Of The Feel

    Oh yeah, Biden is going to be a real hit with the ladies. Right mUnty?

  140. Gab

    Biden – The Art Of The Sniff

  141. cohenite

    The US election is not about Trump, it’s about how stupid people are. You always win when you bet on that.

  142. Leigh Lowe

    How many lives does a person have to save to earn your respect, LL?

    Just one.
    Which 99% of the Elf Wukkas have not done.
    They have been sitting around in near empty hospitals posing for “exhaustion p0rn” photos to put on Insta.
    I have had two medicos “save my life” for which I am eternally grateful (cost me $20k but)*.

    But I don’t applaud every time I see a nurse or ambo in the street.

    Next question.

    .
    .
    * (When I say “it cost me $20 large”, I mean I paid $500 excess and the insurer paid $19,500.)

  143. OldOzzie

    Is media still looking the other way now that BLM Chicago has endorsed looting for redistribution?

    The whole action was reprehensible.

    But there was one particular place that rioters went after that is just unconscionable.

    They went after the Ronald McDonald House in downtown Chicago, that takes in kids suffering from cancer and their families while they are getting treatment at a nearby hospital.

    The rioters smashed the widows and doors in the front of the building with the 30 families of frighted children and parents as well as staff inside.

    Our Ronald McDonald House near Lurie Children’s sustained damage to the front entrance as part of the civil unrest in the city. There was no damage to the inside of the House and no families or staff were hurt.

    Learn more about the damage at https://t.co/zAkQrC8L0p pic.twitter.com/HSaxtMXA9z

    — RonaldHouseChicago (@RMHCCNI) August 11, 2020

  144. duncanm

    MatrixTransform
    #3545166, posted on August 12, 2020 at 11:11 am

    MT – sorry to hear this. As much ‘ex’ as an ex may or may not be, there’s walways the kids to look out for.

  145. Andreas

    How many lives does a person have to save to earn your respect, LL?

    Tony Abbott saved children from a burning house and yet you still laughed at him being physically assaulted.

  146. H B Bear

    The USA operates in a thicket of laws even more dense than this country.

    Add directly elected prosecutors and a 90 something % success rate on prosecutions and I’d rather take my chances in Oz (outside Victoriastan and Rob Hulls clown posse).

  147. Eyrie

    I don’t know when elevator trim was invented but some WW1 aircraft didn’t have it. A friend built a full scale Sopwith Pup which lacks elevator trim. See here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWzzFJkLgn4
    If the Minister had flown aircraft without it he may not have realised the need to use it, particularly when the flaps were lowered, a feature also missing from most WW1 aircraft.

  148. H B Bear

    BLM Marxists probably cannot distinguish between McDonalds and Ronald McDonald House. Clowns.

  149. lotocoti

    Will the Woomba go into stage 4 lockdown after that quarantine-e got rabbit in his blood?

  150. dover_beach

    Disturbing to hear that Opus Dei is spreading the plague.

    Australian journalism.

  151. MatrixTransform

    there’s always the kids to look out for.

    thanks.
    was heart rending talking to them

    don’t even hate her after all the mental shit she’s pulled over the years.
    I truly hope she’s ok

    Things were better when they were worse

  152. mh

    Kamala Harris
    @KamalaHarris
    ·
    Jan 30, 2019
    .
    @JussieSmollett
    is one of the kindest, most gentle human beings I know. I’m praying for his quick recovery.

    This was an attempted modern day lynching. No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their skin. We must confront this hate.

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    Disturbing to hear that Opus Dei is spreading the plague.

    M0nty – I’m amused. I really am.

    Reports Melbourne coronavirus cluster originated at Eid party could stoke Is lam ophobia, Mu slim leaders say (25 Jun)

    Eid al-Adha Festival: Scott Morrison warns Mu slim worshippers about coronavirus spread (31 Jul)

    Up to 3,000 Turks infected with coronavirus during Hagia Sophia’s opening as a mosque (9 Aug)

    The conversion of Hagia Sophia into a mosque has been hit with a new drama.

    Some 3,000 people are believed to have been infected with the coronavirus during the ceremony of Hagia Sophia’s conversion into a mosque on July 24, a Turkish public health expert at a leading university said on Saturday according to Ahval News.

    Ahval News, who quoted the Turkish-language ANKA, quoted associate professor at Ankara’s Hacettepe University, Dr Sarp Üner, as saying.

    The latter story, which I saw this morning, was quite schadenfreudian.

  154. cohenite

    OldOzzie
    #3545216, posted on August 12, 2020 at 11:48 am
    Is media still looking the other way now that BLM Chicago has endorsed looting for redistribution?

    The whole action was reprehensible.

    But there was one particular place that rioters went after that is just unconscionable.

    They went after the Ronald McDonald House in downtown Chicago, that takes in kids suffering from cancer and their families while they are getting treatment at a nearby hospital.

    The rioters smashed the widows and doors in the front of the building with the 30 families of frighted children and parents as well as staff inside.

    That is just the pits. In a just world they would have been shot with low intensity hollow points.

  155. Old School Conservative

    (When I say “it cost me $20 large”, I mean I paid $500 excess and the insurer paid $19,500.)

    It’s too late in my life to go through this exercise now, but some young gun could do the sums:
    Don’t take out private health insurance.
    Pay the equivalent of top cover premiums into a savings account and blue chip shares.
    Use the cash for minor medical expenses and sell shares when big expenses come around.

    Over a lifetime of savings discipline, I wonder if the scheme would beat the benefits of private health insurance.
    Oh well, just a random thought.

  156. Herodotus

    And then the Imam died in the Hagia Sophia from a heart attack. It was the way he would have wanted to go.

  157. Leigh Lowe

    Andreas

    #3545219, posted on August 12, 2020 at 11:49 am

    How many lives does a person have to save to earn your respect, LL?

    Tony Abbott saved children from a burning house and yet you still laughed at him being physically assaulted.

    He, he.
    The corporate memory here is solid.

  158. Mother Lode:

    Politicians really have no idea that their power has limits.
    It is like the economy. Polticians think they ‘own’ it and are entitled to with it what they will.

    So true.
    They get away with it because our Constitution is locked in a cupboard behind a sign saying “Beware of the Leopard.”
    …and our courts countersigned the leopard warning.

  159. Makka:

    “There are no staff available for work. No one to cook, care, provide medication and to review these residents,” he said. “Victoria’s DHHS has been asked repeatedly for help.

    Is he saying that patients aren’t being fed nor given drinks? They aren’t being washed or having their linen changed?
    Why hasn’t he taken a camera through the place, given it to a media company for airing….?

    Ah. I think I see the problem.

  160. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #3545163, posted on August 12, 2020 at 11:10 am
    Disturbing to hear that Opus Dei is spreading the plague.

    You had better hope that Opus Dei is as forgiving as Cdl Pell inn relation to defamatory comments.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    Eyrie

    #3545224, posted on August 12, 2020 at 11:53 am

    I don’t know when elevator trim was invented but some WW1 aircraft didn’t have it. A friend built a full scale Sopwith Pup which lacks elevator trim. See here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWzzFJkLgn4
    If the Minister had flown aircraft without it he may not have realised the need to use it, particularly when the flaps were lowered, a feature also missing from most WW1 aircraft.

    Eyrie (or maybe TE).
    Do you know what licensing arrangements were back then?
    I assume there was some sort of licensing of aircrew.
    But endorsements.
    If Fairbairn had flown two-stroke box kites during WW1, could he have just jumped into a multi-engined, retractable gear aircraft without a check and endorsement.

  162. According to The Beanie on his IRL podcast, picking Kamala is Joe conceding the election.
    Joe must have been stoked that his handlers finally picked someone to do the campaigning for him while he chills downstairs in Delaware.
    #Biden2020

  163. mh

    Tailgunner, do you still have that meme of Kamala opening her mouth really wide like AOC?

    That was a good one.

  164. rickw

    If Fairbairn had flown two-stroke box kites during WW1, could he have just jumped into a multi-engined, retractable gear aircraft without a check and endorsement.

    Moving from a single to a twin was always a big deal, license, permit or DIY due to handling implications of a failure of a single engine.

  165. Boambee John

    How many lives does a person have to save to earn your respect, LL?

    Every one they possibly can m0nty? Even yours.

  166. You are right Bruce, we need to shut down all mass religious gatherings until we figure out what is going on.

  167. Cassie of Sydney

    “m0nty
    #3545163, posted on August 12, 2020 at 11:10 am
    Disturbing to hear that Opus Dei is spreading the plague.”

    Does anyone recall donut guzzler posting a similarly facetious comment about being equally disturbed to hear that followers of the religion of pieces are “spreading the plague”?

    I don’t.

  168. dover_beach

    You are right Bruce, we need to shut down all mass religious gatherings until we figure out what is going on.

    They already have, monty, not that you would have noticed.

  169. OldOzzie

    FANTASTIC Boeing 747-8F ULTIMATE COCKPIT MOVIE: Saudia Cargo Frankfurt-Jeddah [AirClips]

    Obviously professionally done – the in-cockpit videos during flight are amazing – best I have ever seen

    Roll on Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 on XBoxX and being able to fly 747-8

    https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-issues-update-flight-simulator-2020-xbox-one-release

    https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x

  170. Leigh Lowe

    It’s too late in my life to go through this exercise now, but some young gun could do the sums:

    OSC.
    The sums are complex.
    Your sinking fund idea might work for minor costs.
    But what about majors (open heart, cancers)?
    Then again, for majors you are probably going to a public hospital anyway, so …
    And if you are on a decent salary, opting out of private cover means you just pay a levy to the ATO anyway.
    And what value do you put on a bit of peace of mind?
    If only we had all been to V*****m and had a vets gold card.
    If I should be so lucky.
    For what it is worth, I keep the insurance, but elect for the maximum excess for hospital visits.
    Seriously thinking about getting rid of extras but.

  171. Maj

    They already have, monty, not that you would have noticed.

    Not in NSW, but most churches are “strongly encouraging” you to wear a mask.

    No thank you.

  172. JC

    Monst

    Please get back in the basement. You’re not healthy enough to be above ground. We will tell you when to come out if or when it’s safe for a sickly individual like you. Scoot off! Now!

  173. I have noticed db, it has changed our lives considerably.

  174. Can’t remember that one, mh?
    But it probably on my old phone that was pinched from work!

  175. Top Ender

    It was pretty well regulated by WWII, from what I recall.

    You needed to pass various check flights from instructors to give you add-ons to basic flying, such as:

    – retractable undercarriage
    – variable pitch propeller
    – additional engines, such as going from 1 to 2, or 2 to 4
    – night flying
    – various attack modes such as divebombing, having a rear-seat gunner and so on.

    The concept of pilot-in-command was around but I’m not sure when cemented in.

  176. rickw

    Their performance left a lot to be desired. The wing loading was very high; they glided like a brick if the engines stopped. They were also susceptible to unbalanced loading when bombs were not carried. Later in the Darwin area there were as many Hudsons lost to accidents as to enemy action.

    I think a restored Hudson was heavily damaged in OZ when the Bakelite master switch decided to shit itself just after take-off causing all rotating equipment to stop immediately. Gliding like a brick.

  177. OldOzzie

    Leigh Lowe
    #3545267, posted on August 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    It’s too late in my life to go through this exercise now, but some young gun could do the sums:

    For what it is worth, I keep the insurance, but elect for the maximum excess for hospital visits.
    Seriously thinking about getting rid of extras but.

    +1

  178. Leigh Lowe

    You are right Bruce, we need to shut down all mass religious gatherings until we figure out what is going on.

    They already have, monty, not that you would have noticed.

    Not quite that simple dover.
    Apparently, according to celebrity TV medico Michael Mosely, it is “religions with singing” which project the virus into the air.
    I am not sure how that differs from shouting at a BLM rally, or “religions with chanting”.
    But it just is.

  179. rickw

    Monst

    Please get back in the basement. You’re not healthy enough to be above ground. We will tell you when to come out if or when it’s safe for a sickly individual like you. Scoot off! Now!

    I honestly thought he’d croaked of wu flu. Krispy Kreme induced co-morbities.

  180. dover_beach

    The really disgusting thing about monty’s allusion to Opus Dei is that it involves a school that specializes in educating children with multiple severe disabilities, and that Opus Dei is involved only to the extent that it offers spiritual counselling to the students, here, during a retreat. But, of course, both Seven News and monty want to arouse bigotry by alluding to the falsely maligned Opus Dei.

  181. Monty, what price on the markets will you be piling on Biden2020?
    He’s been easing slightly, good for you, but I think today’s glorious announcement will create unstoppable JoeMentum.
    Price for him may not get any better?
    #NoMalarkey2020
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  182. Cassie of Sydney

    “I am not sure how that differs from shouting at a BLM rally, or “religions with chanting”.”

    It doesn’t…it’s just that, because of leftist progressive identity politics, some people, some religions and some political movements get a free pass.

  183. dover_beach

    I have noticed db, it has changed our lives considerably.

    Really, you were regularly attending Mass before this? If so, I hope you were not presenting for Communion.

  184. Bruce of Newcastle

    You are right Bruce, we need to shut down all mass religious gatherings until we figure out what is going on.

    They already are M0nty, if you hadn’t noticed. Oddly some people seem to ignore such restrictions, and even more oddly, the authorities seem to be remarkably disinterested in enforcing the rules the rest of us have to follow. It’s a mystery.

    I’m also amused by the endless war between God and Mammon. This week Mammon won.

    Evangelicals for Trump bypass Nev. restrictions by holding rally at Las Vegas casino (8 Aug)

    Evangelicals for Trump held a prayer and praise event at a Las Vegas casino Thursday night, circumventing the state’s restrictions on church gatherings that are not imposed on casinos.

    More than 500 evangelicals attended the event held at the Ahern Hotel, according to The Las Vegas Review-Journal. The hotel lobby’s maximum capacity is 1,600 which allowed the event to follow the 50% capacity rule for hotels and casinos.

    Weird how, in lefty places, you can’t attend a church but you can go to a casino. That’s a mystery too.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks TE.
    I guess night-flying endorsement became a really serious thing after the large number of neat little holes put in paddocks off the end of runways caused by spatial disorientation after takeoff.

  186. JC

    Sinclair

    You need to moderate monster. He’s not allowed out of the basement until he’s told by us it’s safe. You may have legal problem if he’s found dead from the China bug while posting comments at the cat.

    It’s not safe for him to be above ground.

  187. Cassie of Sydney

    “dover_beach
    #3545282, posted on August 12, 2020 at 12:36 pm”

    Well said DB…it is an excellent school. However when it comes to smearing, libeling and all round character assassinations, there’s nothing the left like more than to viciously attack a Catholic prelate or a Catholic school. Somebody should check pirate man’s twitter….no doubt he’s on the bandwagon attacking the school.

  188. Really, you were regularly attending Mass before this? If so, I hope you were not presenting for Communion.

    The wife is heavily involved. Don’t pester me for details, please.

  189. Top Ender

    The culpability stare down with Daniel Andrews the PM refuses to cop

    SIMON BENSON

    Daniel Andrews is in all sorts.

    The Victorian premier has again sought to blame-shift the crisis engulfing Victoria onto the Commonwealth.

    This escalating conflict will have only one outcome.

    The Prime Minister, who has afforded Andrews a lot of slack publicly, isn’t going to tolerate Andrew’s attempts to transfer culpability to the Federal Government.

    With public trust in Morrison’s leadership at record highs, it is Andrews’ who risks rapidly destroying public confidence in his own administration and his government’s ability to get the economic, social and health catastrophe under control.

    The latest mystification from the Victorian Labor leader, in claiming that the federal government had not offered the support of the Australian Defence Force to deal with the state’s hotel quarantine debacle on multiple occasions, defies belief.

    The question is whether Andrews had not bothered to inform himself of the issue before giving evidence to the parliamentary inquiry yesterday or engaged in deliberate bamboozling.

    Apparently Andrews will argue procedural technicalities that the offer was made to agencies rather than at a Cabinet level.

    Yet a press release that was sent out on March 27 written on the Premier’s own letterhead, and sent out by his own office, clearly acknowledged the ADF’s offer.

    This was what his press release said at the time when the National Cabinet agreed to force quarantine in hotels for returning overseas travellers.

    “The costs of accommodation, public health and security will be covered by each individual jurisdiction, and there will be reciprocal arrangements in place to house the residents of other states and territories,” it said.

    “It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements.”

    This is what Andrews said yesterday to the parliamentary inquiry: “I don’t believe ADF support was on offer and ADF support has been provided in very limited circumstances in NSW, not to provide security, as such, but to provide transport from the airport to hotels.”

    Apparently Andrews has about 100 staff working in the Premier’s office. It may have only required a Google search by one of them to cross check what the premier’s office has said on the issue in the past.

    Having poked Scott Morrison in the eye over his suggestions that it was the Commonwealth that was responsible for the crisis in aged care facilities — which may not have been a crisis if the security staff contracted by the Victorian government hadn’t allowed the virus to simply walk out of the hotels they were meant to be securing — Andrews has once again provoked a fight with the federal government.

    “I think it is fundamentally incorrect to assert that there were hundreds of ADF staff on offer and somehow, somebody said no. That’s just not, in my judgment, accurate,” the Premier said.

    To which Senator Reynolds quickly responded: “(The ADF) had discussed requirements with relevant state and territory authorities” on March 27 and the following day.

    “Victorian authorities advised that Victoria was not seeking ADF assistance with mandatory quarantine arrangements”.

    “The ADF was consistently advised that its assistance was not required for any ‘public facing roles’ in Victoria,” Senator Reynolds’ statement said.

    Senator Reynolds’ statement, which would have been authorised by the prime minister’s office was yet another warning shot to the Victorian Labor leader that the federal government isn’t going to cop the narrative that shifts blame back to it for a crisis that increasingly appears to be of the Victorian government’s own making.

    Oz

  190. Eyrie

    I think a restored Hudson was heavily damaged in OZ when the Bakelite master switch decided to shit itself just after take-off causing all rotating equipment to stop immediately. Gliding like a brick.

    I think I knew the pilot. If I’m right he was CO of 2FTS in the early 70’s while I was there as met man.

  191. dopey

    Racing at Naracoorte today. Race 1. No. 1. Wife Free Zone. 6/1 chance.

  192. Infidel Tiger King

    Sounds like Palmer is very likely to win the dispute with the State of WA regarding being denied a fair hearing on his proposed mine.

    Hence the government rushing through this terrible legislation to ward him off.

  193. Maj

    Evangelicals for Trump bypass Nev. restrictions by holding rally at Las Vegas casino (8 Aug)

    Evangelicals for Trump held a prayer and praise event at a Las Vegas casino Thursday night, circumventing the state’s restrictions on church gatherings that are not imposed on casinos.

    More than 500 evangelicals attended the event held at the Ahern Hotel, according to The Las Vegas Review-Journal. The hotel lobby’s maximum capacity is 1,600 which allowed the event to follow the 50% capacity rule for hotels and casinos.

    Weird how, in lefty places, you can’t attend a church but you can go to a casino. That’s a mystery too.

    Sad they were wearing face nappies in order to worship.

  194. Eyrie

    Hence the government rushing through this terrible legislation to ward him off.

    That should add considerable sovereign risk to doing business with the WA government.

  195. Maj

    Palaszczuk playing tough cop with an election coming up.

    BREAKING: NRL season in jeopardy as up to 10 Broncos investigated for ‘pub breach’

    THE NRL’s integrity unit is investigating claims up to 10 Brisbane Broncos players attended a Brisbane pub earlier this month and may have breached COVID-19 protocols.

    The NRL is attempting to ascertain whether the players breached protocols or if at the time of the pub visit the Broncos were permitted to attend the restaurant area to have lunch.

    The COVID-19 protocols have been altered for NRL players over the course of the last month.

    Initially they were relaxed before a second-wave of COVID led to state borders being closed and players being forced back into stricter bubble restrictions.

    The Courier-Mail reported police are investigating a group of players for socialising at the Everton Park Hotel earlier this month, which is in direct violation of the NRL’s strict agreement with Queensland Health.

    Queensland premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has already warned that the NRL was on its last chance after a string of infringements.

    “I will be reminding the NRL the future of the season is in their hands,” Palaszczuk said. “Everyone has to do the right thing. Nothing is more important than protecting the health of Queenslanders.”

  196. Monty, Professor Tisch, Yale University says widespread HCQ use could save up to 100,000 lives in the US if released for use.
    Maximum Leader Andrews has BANNED it’s use in Victoruin.
    How many lives again?
    Absolutely disgraceful. Actually evil.
    HCQ is the silver bullet.
    MLA says No.
    #GreatworkDan

  197. zyconoclast

    ‘Looting is reparations’: BLM protesters gather outside Chicago PD in support of looters who ransacked city Sunday night, as organizer claims ‘anything they wanted to take, they can take because these businesses have insurance’

    Downtown Chicago was otherwise quiet after authorities cut off access, with drawbridges leading into the city pulled up and freeway exits blocked after riots sparked by a false rumor of a child shot by police.

    At least 13 police officers were injured as the violence claimed an estimated $65 million in property damage.

    Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, called the looting ‘reparations’.

    ‘I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,’ Atkins said. ‘That makes sure that person has clothes.

    ‘Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.’

  198. Thanks dopey 👍
    Gotta supplement my ration cards down here.
    I’m on it.
    #EverydayisSaturdaynow
    #Viccolyfe

  199. Makka

    Senator Reynolds’ statement, which would have been authorised by the prime minister’s office was yet another warning shot to the Victorian Labor leader that the federal government isn’t going to cop the narrative that shifts blame back to it for a crisis that increasingly appears to be of the Victorian government’s own making.

    Well, DO SOMETHING about it Scummo, you spineless jelly backed dickhead.

    Pull the pin on this fkhead Dan and stop the “we are all in it together” bullshit” All you are doing is making him look far better than the incompetent ghoul deserves.

  200. OldOzzie

    Joe Biden Reads from Script While Talking to Kamala Harris on Zoom

    “Biden had to read a script when he called Kamala,” wrote Posobiec on Twitter. He included a zoomed-in image of what seems to be a print-out script on the desk in front of Biden’s laptop.

    Biden rarely speaks extemporaneously in public appearances — relying largely on notes and teleprompters — ranging from campaign events to interviews with news media. Over the past year, Biden has been repeatedly captured mispronouncing words, speaking incoherently, and losing his train of thought.

    Asked about his cognition in June, Biden claimed he had “been tested” and is “constantly tested.” In August, he said he had not taken such a test.

  201. zyconoclast

    Palaszczuk playing tough cop with an election coming up.

    BREAKING: NRL season in jeopardy as up to 10 Broncos investigated for ‘pub breach’

    So (not) sad if sportsball gets kicked in the groin

  202. Anne

    The video I posted yesterday of the cop attacking & chocking a young woman for not wearing a muzzle has been removed from Facebook. Shocker.

    I heard they put a small snippet on the Mockingbird Media for consumption by the sheep.

    Here’s the whole 8 minutes.

    Watch it now.

    https://youtu.be/UfuIAd_nCgg

  203. Boambee John

    DB

    They already have, monty, not that you would have noticed.

    Not quite all, one group seems to be able to obtain frequent exemptions!

  204. duncanm

    Maybe it belongs here…

    Australia Has surpassed Sweden in deaths/million/day.

    Given these are all in Victoria, its actually about 3 /million/day. Well on the way to Sweden’s peak of 10 back in April.

    A virus is gonna virus.

  205. Leigh Lowe

    dover_beach

    #3545282, posted on August 12, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    The really disgusting thing about monty’s allusion to Opus Dei …

    Breaking news m0nster.
    Collins Booksellers have moved Dan Brown books over to the fiction section.

  206. thefrollickingmole

    m0nty

    WTF is going ion here?

    Fantasy Premier League winner disqualified over ‘player comments’
    Aleksandar Antonov made remarks about footballer believed to be Raheem Sterling in private group chat

    Is the FF world a seething hotbed of dibber dobbers nobbling the opposition with selectively leaked accusations?

  207. It’s not the full video, is it, Anne. What happened before? The lead up is everything.

  208. duncanm

    The Beer whisperer
    #3545327, posted on August 12, 2020 at 1:12 pm
    It’s not the full video, is it, Anne. What happened before? The lead up is everything.

    who knows — if you’re walking down the street with your girlfriend past a copper, do you usually flip out a phone to video it ?

    Either way – way overkill. I liked the girls style. That female cop did deserve a kick in the guts.

    I can’t see how Victorian’s can maintain respect for their police force with this sort of shit going on.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger King

    #3545299, posted on August 12, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    Sounds like Palmer is very likely to win the dispute with the State of WA regarding being denied a fair hearing on his proposed mine.

    Hence the government rushing through this terrible legislation to ward him off.

    But are they … ?
    Look, I haven’t really followed it closely, but it occured to me that a few pubic servants or pollies (past, present and emerging) might be looking to avoid the witness box.

  210. Some History

    m0nty
    #3545259, posted on August 12, 2020 at 12:27 pm
    You are right Bruce, we need to shut down all mass religious gatherings until we figure out what is going on.

  211. OldOzzie

    Kamala Harris’s Final Poll Number in Home State of California: 7%

    Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) emerged as former Vice President Joe Biden’s running mate on Tuesday. But her presidential campaign was a disaster: even in her home state, Harris struggled to build support, finishing at 7% in California last year.

  212. Infidel Tiger King

    But are they … ?
    Look, I haven’t really followed it closely, but it occured to me that a few pubic servants or pollies (past, present and emerging) might be looking to avoid the witness box.

    If they thought they would win, there is no way on earth they would try and legislate their way out of it.

    We are now a sovereign risk if it passes both houses.

    And we now know why they were desperate to keep him out of WA with hard border closures.

  213. Anne

    Beer, that 8 min one is the longest video I’ve seen.

    I wish someone had caught the cop grabbing the girl.

  214. JC

    Irish American pal who lives in Florida reckons the old folk there are scared shitless , all going to vote trump and lying to the pollsters. He reckons Florida is a walk for the orange oaf. Hope he’s right.

    Also reckons it’s now black guns matter. 🙂

  215. Anne

    There’s some question as to whether Kamala Harris’ parents were on student visas when she was born.

    That makes her an anchor baby, not eligible to be POTUS.

  216. Anne

    Kamala Harris sister, Maya Harris is mentioned in the infamous Pedosta emails. (9th Mar. 2016)

    It seems she was joining a pizza party thrown by John Pedosta and Hillary Clinton.

    Not good.

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    Monty’s daily mantra:

    ‘until we figure out what is going on.’

  218. Maj

    That makes her an anchor baby, not eligible to be POTUS.

    Maybe there is a plot to get her disqualified and Hillary or Michelle Obama into the VP slot?

  219. JC

    My pal also said that was the reason Trump was surprisingly okay with mail in voting in Florida.
    He knows the old folk will vote for him.

  220. Knuckle Dragger

    Annie:

    ‘that 8 min one is the longest video I’ve seen.’

    Yet you post seven hour conspiracy manifesto sagas and expect them to be watched.

  221. thefrollickingmole

    That makes her an anchor baby, not eligible to be POTUS.

    Im fairly sure thats incorrect.

    Anchor baby is still a US citizen by birth.
    https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/elections/requirements-for-president.html#:~:text=As%20directed%20by%20the%20Constitution,or%20minority%20candidates%20from%20running.
    As directed by the Constitution, a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older. These requirements do not prohibit women or minority candidates from running.

  222. mole, that story surprises me, I reckon what the bloke said must have been pretty bad for him to be so apologetic about it. I reckon there was a small contra payoff involved to smooth things over.

  223. Mother Lode

    The really disgusting thing about monty’s allusion to Opus Dei …

    Monty has no idea of the value of the things he dismisses and mocks, only the value he derives by denigrating them to the face of others who grasp what he cannot.

    He would steal a lollipop from a baby not because he will enjoy the lollipop, but because he will enjoying taking it from the baby.

  224. thefrollickingmole

    Yet you post seven hour conspiracy manifesto sagas and expect them to be watched.

    If your conspiracy theory video isn’t at least 3 hours + long you are part of the cover up as you must be trying to hide something.

    The people in these videos have the largest brain to bladder ratios ever seen.
    https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-02-05

  225. Leigh Lowe

    I think a restored Hudson was heavily damaged in OZ when the Bakelite master switch decided to shit itself just after take-off causing all rotating equipment to stop immediately. Gliding like a brick.

    I think I knew the pilot. If I’m right he was CO of 2FTS in the early 70’s while I was there as met man.

    Despite all my talk about checklists I was given some advice by an Oirish instructor once regarding Engine Failure After Take Off (EFATO).

    De checklist is foine if ye got a bit of altitude. But, if yer under foive hundred feet, dere is tree tings you do. Get de feckin’ glide speed, check de fuel – pump and source, check de magnetos for spark, den chuck de feckin’ checklist in de back and look for somewhere to land it. By de toime you go trew de whole feckin’ list you will be knocking over feckin’ TV aerials.

  226. Zatara

    The concept of pilot-in-command was around but I’m not sure when cemented in.

    Pilot in command became a thing the moment they made pilots sign for their aircraft.

    Adding more seats and dual controls didn’t change that.

  227. rickw

    It’s not the full video, is it, Anne. What happened before? The lead up is everything.

    It is and it isn’t Beery. I don’t have a problem with her being arrested. I have a massive problem with the cop putting his hands around her throat. Do that and you automatically precipitate resisting arrest.

  228. thefrollickingmole

    m0nty
    #3545352, posted on August 12, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    It doesnt seem the prizes are huge yet it seems fairly cut-throat the way its been played out.
    If it was a private/small group chat then hed have a good idea who did it and it would wreck the group.

  229. Leigh Lowe

    If they thought they would win, there is no way on earth they would try and legislate their way out of it.

    Without saying anything defamatory, could someone with competing commercial interests done some “vigorous incentive-based lobbying”?

  230. Leigh Lowe

    It doesnt seem the prizes are huge yet it seems fairly cut-throat the way its been played out.
    If it was a private/small group chat then hed have a good idea who did it and it would wreck the group.

    Hellooooo!
    Does someone require the services of Blog-wrecking Inc?

  231. Infidel Tiger King

    Without saying anything defamatory, could someone with competing commercial interests done some “vigorous incentive-based lobbying”?

    Funny how another mining magante in the pocket of the CCP has free rein to enter and leave WA when he wants.

  232. Zatara

    My pal also said that was the reason Trump was surprisingly okay with mail in voting in Florida.
    He knows the old folk will vote for him.

    JC, there are two types of vote-in ballots.

    The first is the absentee ballot and has been used for many years. To get an absentee ballot the registered voter sends a request in to the election authorities for a ballot. Once they are confirmed as a properly registered voter a ballot is sent to them, they fill it out and mail it in.

    The second is the abortion the Dems are attempting. In this one the election authorities mass mail out ballots to everyone they have an address for whether they are dead, nonexistent, or a house pet. Ballots are totally uncontrolled and as they are mailed en-mass can be easily harvested from mailboxes fraudulently used. Further, in places where ‘ballot harvesting’ is allowed, a party operative can arrive at a polling place with a box full of filled in ballots and they must be accepted.

    MANY people don’t know the difference and Trump screwed up in that interview when he didn’t make it clear which of those he endorsed.

  233. johanna

    I suspect that Trump is more relaxed about Florida voting by mail because the place is run by solid Republican supporters of his, and State authorities manage the ballot in US Presidential elections.

    Zatara is correct about the different ways that mail voting can be implemented. Florida is not sending out ballots to everyone, and is taking steps to verify identities of those who request them. No ballot harvesting is allowed either.

    I dread to think what will happen in Democrat states where they are sending ballots to Spot the Dog, people who died years ago etc. Then they will rely on the notoriously unreliable US Postal Service to get them back in time. At a minimum, it could lead to litigation about the validity of results, which suits the Dems just fine if Trump wins.

  234. notafan

    I’ve just realised there are a couple of people here who should be producing conspiracy theory YouTubes, or even just YouTubes giving more of the masses exposure to their brilliance.

    If you’ve got parliamentary aspirations, it’s a golden opportunity, not to be missed.

    Way cheaper than a website and can be produced from the comfort of your own lounge, or driver’s seat.

  235. calli

    I wish someone had caught the cop grabbing the girl.

    It may well be that there was nothing to film until the unbelievable happened. Two police walking the beat, meet the couple and all hell breaks out and so does the phone.

    Yapping about da Constitution got him nowhere fast.

  236. All of the high wing loading series of attack aircraft were deadly near the stall, when heavy, and under high g loads.
    Hudson, A20, B36, Beaufighter, Mosquito in certain configurations, and even the B25 with a much lower loading could bight when overloaded, which was nearly always.
    A36 Invader largely overcame the ready stall/flick characteristics of these designs, but could still bight at high angle of bank and high g loads such as steep turning pull-ups from an attack run.
    Must have been incredible to fly however.

  237. thefrollickingmole

    Spins the wheel:
    Colour blind casting for actors: ‘It’s dangerous not to see race’: is colour-blind casting all it’s cracked up to be? is Racist.

    I think we must expel all “non whites” from Euro dominated countries for their own protection.
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/11/its-dangerous-not-to-see-race-is-colour-blind-casting-all-its-cracked-up-to-be

    For this reason, Diep Tran, an arts journalist specialising in diversity and the ethics of representation, says that anti-racists have reason to be sceptical of the “colour-blind” approach. “Colour-blind casting is dangerous in the same way the phrase: ‘I don’t see race’ is dangerous,” says Tran. “It negates the very real structural hindrances that block actors of colour from the same opportunities as white actors – like low pay in the theatre industry, a lack of roles that are ethnically specific that actors of colour can play, and unconscious bias on the part of white theatres and casting directors.”

    Although “only talent matters” is a catchy mantra, Tran says this approach does not eradicate stereotyping – which may well have played a role in the casting oversights of Normal People. “A lot of people think that Shakespeare is synonymous with ‘white’, and will never think of actors of colour as the leads in those plays. There’s still bias that informs what people think of when they think of ‘leading men or women’ or who looks like a ‘villain’.”

    As a result, a growing number of anti-racist critics such as Tran prefer the practice of “colour conscious” casting – which actively acknowledges and considers race when casting “non-traditionally”, rather than attempting to ignore it. This could look like lots of different things: from searching for actors from specific ethnic backgrounds, to using race to inject a novel message, to tweaking aspects of the production to acknowledge how race impacts the characters’ lives.

    Was it Hitchcock who called actors cattle?

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